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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Temp430 on December 05, 2022, 06:51:29 AM
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This game is at 8 PM on New Years Eve (ESPN) at the Peach Bowl on Atlanta. The Bulldawgs are favored by 6.5 points at the opening. Hoping the Buckeyes can soften them up some for the championship game.
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UGA will need to play a lot better on the back end than they did against LSU ... I thought all year OSU was maybe the most dangerous team going. Well, almost all year.
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I read yesterday Dawgs-Bucks are the early game
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OSU certainly has the talent to win this game. The outcome will depend on Ryan Day and the coaching staff. They should not try to force the running game and let Stroud open up the passing game. Once it is, then run a little more but Stroud to Marvin should happen a dozen attempts the first half.
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Even after losing linebacker Nolan Smith to a torn pectoral muscle, the Bulldogs are loaded with defensive talent, including defensive tackle Jalen Carter, cornerbacks Kelee Ringo, Kamari Lassiter and Javon Bullard and safety Christopher Smith.
Anything is possible IMO the Buckeyes would have to catch lightning in a bottle like when they scored 4 TDs vs Penn St in 6 minutes.If he's healthy JS-N would be a welcome addition maybe showcase himself for the League.But I wouldn't be shocked if the line isn't bet up to 8 or more before K.O.Maybe Ryan Day can shock CFB
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Dawgs=Bucks play at 8 PM, UM=TCU at 4 PM.
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Should be a good one. OSU definitely has the team to get it done.
That Georgia defense is a buzzsaw when it is ginning, however. If they are on, it could be a long day for the Buckeyes.
Here's hoping UGA has a let down.
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I really like the way these games fell. The main downside is it puts the screws to Georgia, but it gives us the best chance at the most compelling games.
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Why does it put the screws to Georgia?They are playing in Atlanta
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Why does it put the screws to Georgia?They are playing in Atlanta
I think he is assuming as most do that tOSU is better than TCU. If correct that means that UGA kinda got screwed in being #1 but effectively having to play #3.
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Probably better to play OSU in ATL than TCU out west.
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Why does it put the screws to Georgia?They are playing in Atlanta
Ohio State just has more talent and overall is better. Basically, I just think they’re more dangerous.
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See I wasn't thinking that after the recent drubbing
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UGA will need to play a lot better on the back end than they did against LSU ... I thought all year OSU was maybe the most dangerous team going. Well, almost all year.
I outlined some reasons to be worried and to not be worried on the SEC board. IMO, of course.
Short version:
Be worried because:
* A QB whose entire game is predicated on being a running threat who couldn't run still managed 208 yards in a half.
* Over the course of the game over 500 passing yards got piled up
* LSU kept passing successfully despite zero running threat in the second half
* Stroud is better than any QB on LSU's roster, probably all of them combined
Don't be worried because:
* The Tiger receivers are insane if a QB has a good day. Giving up yards to them is not the alarm is may look like
* UGA had no film on the QB of the second half
* I don't care what you say about "focus" and "coaching"....a defense is going to relax in a 2nd half up by 25 points.
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is JSN 100% healthy and does he play? Cause that changes the whole equation.
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is JSN 100% healthy and does he play? Cause that changes the whole equation.
Just announced. He is not healthy and is preparing for the draft.
huge blow, but not surprising
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https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1599847149482958848?s=20&t=cY9HNz3dmcdkiMGN2FUIDg
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Just announced. He is not healthy and is preparing for the draft.
huge blow, but not surprising
yup. I don't know if I'd say it's really a huge blow as OSU hasn't had him all season and they've already been adapted to life without him, but I think it would've given OSU a much better shot at beating UGA if he'd been able to use this month to get back up to speed in bowl practices and been on that field on game day.
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Don't be worried because:
* The Tiger receivers are insane if a QB has a good day. Giving up yards to them is not the alarm is may look like
I haven't followed LSU all that closely so this is an honest question, not just being argumentative: How would you rate LSU's receivers compared to tOSU's?
Ohio State's are up in the air due to the JSN injury situation. JSN was the preseason favorite for the Biletnikoff. If he is back and "as expected" then the Buckeyes have the #1 WR in the game and Marvin Harrison who is easily top-5 so I can't imagine LSU's are appreciably better.
OTOH, I feel that Egbuka and Flemming haven't quite developed as well as I had hoped. They are GREAT as #3/4 WR's but only something like "above average" as #2/3 WR's.
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I haven't followed LSU all that closely so this is an honest question, not just being argumentative: How would you rate LSU's receivers compared to tOSU's?
Ohio State's are up in the air due to the JSN injury situation. JSN was the preseason favorite for the Biletnikoff. If he is back and "as expected" then the Buckeyes have the #1 WR in the game and Marvin Harrison who is easily top-5 so I can't imagine LSU's are appreciably better.
OTOH, I feel that Egbuka and Flemming haven't quite developed as well as I had hoped. They are GREAT as #3/4 WR's but only something like "above average" as #2/3 WR's.
JSN would've been best WR in cfb had he been healthy, but Marv is the best WR in cfb bar none. Egbuka is pretty damn good, about a year away from really taking off imo. Flemming just OK and been a huge disappointment considering his recruit ranking.
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JSN would've been best WR in cfb had he been healthy, but Marv is the best WR in cfb bar none. Egbuka is pretty damn good, about a year away from really taking off imo. Flemming just OK and been a huge disappointment considering his recruit ranking.
Marvin reminds me of Eddie George. I want to dislike you because of the uniform you wear, but you’re so ridiculously talented and seem like a good dude that it’s tough not to be in awe of such an incredible talent.
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This seems likely to me to be high scoring, something like 41-34, maybe OT, someone gets a key TO and wins.
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I haven't followed LSU all that closely so this is an honest question, not just being argumentative: How would you rate LSU's receivers compared to tOSU's?
I have a similar restriction in the quality of my evaluation here...I've only caught a few Buckeye games this year, so take this with a grain of salt and it's likely worth what you paid for it.
I'm primarily rating them against previous lsu WR corps and within our conference this year. I haven't been able to watch enough national games to make a direct comparison with confidence. My comment is mainly based on past knowledge and how our unit would generally stack up in the bigger landscape on average.
Ohio State's guys seem easier to evaluate when I watch them. Simply, Stroud is a far better qb than our guy. It hasn't been the easiest job evaluating this crew with a qb who goes through long stretches of holding the ball too long and who needs to see them busted-coverage-level open before he'll throw the ball.
That said, I imagine Boutte was also on the pre-season Biletnikoff short list due to last year before he got injured, leading the conference with Max freaking Johnson throwing to him. But overall it's about the depth. There's 5 wrs that have been great when the QB is "up". There's no one or two guys you can take away and say you can live with the rest. None of them will be confused with Chase or Jefferson, but they're all really physically gifted and have abused some good corners.....when someone throws them the ball.
It's also a "right now" thing. I don't think earlier in the year they were as good as now. They definitely had to develop chemistry with the new staff and transfer players, and/or outright just had to get better. Tennessee's group is really good, obviously, but for depth's sake I'd take our wr roster over theirs at this moment. These guys block like some mofos too....what they did to Bama’s players springing some runs in that game was fantastic.
All said....I might be inclined to take OSU's top guys (especially with your qb). I think our guys are not far below them, and there's not really any drop off between the top 5 as far as what they can do and the plays they've made. I'd take them over any other sec squad, and beyond that I'm just guessing.
For clarity, if osu wrs pile up on uga I'm not going to be surprised. I don't think our crew is any better than y'alls. I think our quality depth makes things hard on a defense because there's no obvious guy to take away, and for that reason I tend to favor our wr unit over others.
....which means little, obviously, since I just haven't watched osu enough to say for sure. It could be that the Buckeyes top 2 guys are so good that I'd trade 5 of ours for 2 of yours. Or that the Buckeye's top 5 are more impressive than I suspect.
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Marvin reminds me of Eddie George. I want to dislike you because of the uniform you wear, but you’re so ridiculously talented and seem like a good dude that it’s tough not to be in awe of such an incredible talent.
I never dislike players bc of the uniform they wear. I just like watching great players, period. I more or less only dislike them if they earn my dislike by being giant dbags lol. I always loved watching Zeke play when he was at Ohio St- that was a GREAT player. Even though Penn St suppose to division rival- LOVED Saquon Barkley- total freak and was like the best NFL draft RB prospect that I'd ever seen. The only two teams that I really don't like are Notre Dame and Michigan State- but loved Kyle Hamilton- 6'4 safety that athletic...insane. And probably the best college WR I've ever seen...LOVED watching Charles Rogers at Sparty- guy was a freak of nature.
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Ohio St defense has these two freaks to look forward to all-game long. UGA offense is weird but in a cool way. Gives off NE Pats 2011 vibes when their best players on offense were the TE's- Gronk & Hernandez.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1599857892932390915?s=20&t=FfcXxv7MB9uBQ579lqPtTQ
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https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1599782395615379456?s=20&t=FfcXxv7MB9uBQ579lqPtTQ
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Just announced. He is not healthy and is preparing for the draft.
huge blow, but not surprising
Sort of hoping he would attempt it and maybe have even as an effective decoy.I've already seen him projected in the 2nd rd.Tough call had he kept up his trajectory maybe a top ten guy. IMO a hamstring off for another 3-4 weeks on top of his aready lengthy furlough he could give it a try.A whole season off doesn't exactly hone your skills and some will question desire/toughness going into a theater that demands it.Well good luck moving forward kid
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Sort of hoping he would attempt it and maybe have even as an effective decoy.I've already seen him projected in the 2nd rd.Tough call had he kept up his trajectory maybe a top ten guy. IMO a hamstring off for another 3-4 weeks on top of his aready lengthy furlough he could give it a try.A whole season off doesn't exactly hone your skills and some will question desire/toughness going into a theater that demands it.Well good luck moving forward kid
JSN is a 1st rd lock imo. only way he slips out the 1st is if he runs an awful 40 time at the combine imo.
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JSN is a 1st rd lock imo. only way he slips out the 1st is if he runs an awful 40 time at the combine imo.
I guess it depends on the crop of wide outs going in - if there is plenty he could fall to the 2nd.Last season he had 1,600 yds receiving at 16.9 per.Crazy when you think there were 2 no1s ahead of him.But that may be why he was open as much,intersting call
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For clarity, if osu wrs pile up on uga I'm not going to be surprised. I don't think our crew is any better than y'alls. I think our quality depth makes things hard on a defense because there's no obvious guy to take away, and for that reason I tend to favor our wr unit over others.
....which means little, obviously, since I just haven't watched osu enough to say for sure. It could be that the Buckeyes top 2 guys are so good that I'd trade 5 of ours for 2 of yours. Or that the Buckeye's top 5 are more impressive than I suspect.
This is where having JSN would have helped this season and where having him against UGA would REALLY help. JSN was projected to be a Biletnikoff caliber WR and Marvin Harrison is a finalist for the award. Having both, as you said, makes things hard on a defense. UGA can't double cover everybody.
Then we get to Egbuka and Flemming. Egbuka is pretty good, maybe even very good as a #2 behind Marv. As a #3 behind JSN and Marv, he'd be phenomenal and probably the best #3 WR in the country. Flemming is decent as a #3 but hasn't lived up to his billing at least so far. That said, as a #4 behind JSN, Marv, and Egbuka, he'd be great.
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When UGA faced Tenn, they singled up nearly every play and rushed Hooker, and it worked. OSU isn't Tenn of course, but that could try that again, press cover everyone and pray basically.
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I think a big key to the game for OSU will be: how do you contain Jalen Carter. There's no stopping him or shutting him out, it's just how can you slow him down and keep him from wrecking the game. OSU's interior OL better bring their lunchbox and come to play and be ready for a street fight. Cause that dude is naaaaaaasty.
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When UGA faced Tenn, they singled up nearly every play and rushed Hooker, and it worked. OSU isn't Tenn of course, but that could try that again, press cover everyone and pray basically.
This is probably a pretty good strategy. Ohio State's passing offense is somewhat dependent on slower developing big plays. I haven't seen them run a lot of three step drop timing routes. They might, however, be able to respond by throwing a ton of screens to get the ball past UGA's rushers with a ton of blockers.
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The Vols tried almost no screens, which surprised me. They didn't seem to adjust during the game, they did get a late TD, and UGA basically went to prevent when it started raining in the 2nd half.
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When UGA faced Tenn, they singled up nearly every play and rushed Hooker, and it worked. OSU isn't Tenn of course, but that could try that again, press cover everyone and pray basically.
They did that last weekend too and it wasn't so successful. They eventually started mixing in zone and that didn't work well either.
In some cases it was because they teed off on the backup QB knowing we couldn't run and the little squirt kept slipping away and firing darts.
Any number of things may have accounted for the amount of passing yards and points UGA allowed in that game, but it's worth noting that Stroud and the Buckeye OL are far better than what we've got, from the few games I've watched them.
I'll be curious to see if we found a "blueprint" so to speak or if it was just one of those flukes. Nobody else has managed to move the ball very well on the Dawgs.
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They didn't do it nearly as much with LSU as with Tenn where they ran a safety blitz several times with Bullard and it often worked.
They ran cover zero with Tenn nearly every play until late.
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hot take: Kelee Ringo is a stud athlete but....kinda overrated as a pure CB. I think if they leave Ringo in man with no help on Marv- that Marv will cook him.
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I want to see how Ohio State handles Georgia's tight ends. Our secondary is hot garbage but we didn't even have a scheme in mind to fail at. We got good pressure on Bennett, even though he made multiple plays under duress, but we didn't have much for plays when multiple TEs were on the field at the same time.
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I want to see how Ohio State handles Georgia's tight ends. Our secondary is hot garbage but we didn't even have a scheme in mind to fail at. We got good pressure on Bennett, even though he made multiple plays under duress, but we didn't have much for plays when multiple TEs were on the field at the same time.
don't think anyone can handle the TE's at UGA. Bowers is a freak. Washington is a genetic mutant. Can't stop them both.
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Especially when Washington is a tackle with TE skills. Blocks effective for 10 straight plays, then runs a post to the corner of the end zone.
Nightmare.
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Crazy thing is Washington only had 1 reception in the SECCG. It wasn't his production, it was the threat.
LSU didn't have the personnel to implement anything disruptive when Washington and Bowers were on the field at the same time, and Matt House knew it.
Ohio State likely has a full 88 schollys and more talent man-for-man on defense than we do. They'll probably be the toughest unit UGA has seen and I'm interested to see what Jim Knowles tries that we couldn't.
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Washington often is used to block, as noted, and he likes that role apparently. Bowers is more often targetted, but Darnell can catch as well. He's made some one handers that are pretty amazing.
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Washington gives off Gronkish vibes with his dominance as a blocker and size.
Not sure I’ve ever really seen a TE like Bowers. Hernandez was really special but only 6’1 and while more shifty than Bowers don’t think he quite had Bowers top end speed.
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best pass rush win rate of players in the playoff...
https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/1600506668642717705?s=20&t=aoXhcR0ocCBEjsqdg6eqzQ
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yeah, nothing we didn't already know but CJ Stroud is really good guys....
https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/1600179000378155009?s=20&t=aoXhcR0ocCBEjsqdg6eqzQ
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UGA and Ohio St both really good at avoiding 3rd and longs.
https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/1598060550222594049?s=20&t=aoXhcR0ocCBEjsqdg6eqzQ
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best pass rush win rate of players in the playoff...
https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/1600506668642717705?s=20&t=aoXhcR0ocCBEjsqdg6eqzQ
This one just makes me in awe of the offensive linemen.
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Is Bo Nix almost really good?
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Is Bo Nix almost really good?
when he doesn't have to play a good defense he's pretty good.
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UGA is one of the two finalists for the Joe Moore Award, given to the nations top OL unit. The other finalist is last years winner, Michigan.
https://twitter.com/JoeMooreAward/status/1600535497318846464?s=20&t=SjrVUAoipgQJ1ma-bMEJaA
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I didn't think the UGA OL was particularly special this season relative to previous years. Maybe it was.
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advanced stats gives UGA at 66% win probability and has them beating Ohio State 29-23 (rounding up, sue me).
https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1600499707335569408?s=20&t=zXwiI1M0eimmh_r51cCBtQ
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NO WAY OSU beats Georgia.
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https://twitter.com/SportSourceA/status/1600552367119704070?s=20&t=Nu_gAaqF6WTZ9ogdWfh-gA
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The spread is close enough that an errant throw or fumble or blocked FG return can sway the outcome easily enough.
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Some footballers are quite large ... Darnell Washington is second from right ...
(https://i.imgur.com/ujX9S6W.png)
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Some footballers are quite large ... Darnell Washington is second from right ...
(https://i.imgur.com/ujX9S6W.png)
he's a genetic mutant....kids a freak show
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(https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/p5L7qK-o3GtWjCcHtARfSUd51JM=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/LSUJULGQCJDRPHW7WSU5WUP264.jpg)
Ohio State has a giant as well. Dawand Jones 6-8 360lbs. Not at tight end, but still comical looking when standing next to average humans.
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Yeah, I know every upper level team has huge players. And many can run like silliness.
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Total offense (yards per game)
Ohio State: No. 6 overall, No. 1 in the Big Ten: 492.7 yards per game
Georgia: No. 7 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 491.9 yards per game
Last Week: No. 8 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 488.8 yards per game
2021 end of season ranking: No. 26 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 442.8 yards per game
2020 end of season ranking: No. 41 overall, No. 6 in the SEC: 424.1 yards per game
2019 end of season ranking: No. 61 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 408.1 yards per game
2018 end of season ranking: No. 18 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 464.9 yards per game
2017 end of season ranking: No. 36 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 435.3 yards per game
2016 end of season ranking: No. 87 overall, 384.7 yards per game
Yards per play
Ohio State: No. 2 overall, No. 1 in the Big Ten: 7.30 yards per play
Georgia: No. 7 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 6.97 yards per play
Last week: No. 7 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 6.95 yards per play
2021 end of season ranking: No. 4 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 6.98 yards per play
2020 end of season ranking: No. 34 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 6.21 yards per play
2019 end of season ranking: No. 46 overall, No. 6 in the SEC: 6.08 yards per play
2018 end of season ranking: No. 7 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 7.05 yards per play
2017 end of season ranking: No. 12 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 6.70 yards per play
Total defense (yards allowed per game)
Ohio State: No. 12 overall, No. 5 in the Big Ten: 303.9 yards allowed per game
Georgia: No. 9 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 292.1 yards allowed per game
Last week: No. 4 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 270.7 yards allowed per game
2021 end of season ranking: No. 2 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 268.9 yards allowed per game
2020 end of season ranking: No. 12 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 321.0 yards allowed per game
2019 end of season ranking: No. 3 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 275.7 yards allowed per game
2018 end of season ranking: No. 13 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 314.3 yards allowed per game
2017 end of season ranking: No. 6 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 294.9 yards allowed per game
2016 end of season ranking: No. 16 overall, 327.5 yards allowed per game
Yards per play allowed
Ohio State: No. 18 overall, No. 6 in the Big Ten: 4.88 yards allowed per play
Georgia: No. 14 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 4.78 yards allowed per play
Last week: No. 4, No. 1 in the SEC: 4.49 yards allowed per play
2021 end of season ranking: No. 1 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 4.16 yards allowed per play
2020 end of season ranking: No. 10 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 4.86 yards allowed per play
2019 end of season ranking: No. 2 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 4.29 yards allowed per play
2018 end of season ranking: No. 25 overall, No. 4 in the SEC: 4.94 yards allowed per play
2017 end of season ranking: No. 10 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 4.69 yards allowed per play
2016 end of season ranking: No. 36 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 5.26 yards allowed per play
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Scoring offense
Ohio State: No. 2 overall, No. 1 in the Big Ten: 44.5 points per game
Georgia: No. 11 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 39.2 points per game
Last week: No. 12 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 38.2 points per game
2021 end of season ranking: No. 10 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 38.4 points per game
2020 end of season ranking: No. 38 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 32.3 points per game
2019 end of season ranking: No. 50 overall, No. 5 in the SEC: 30.9 points per game
2018 end of season ranking: No. 14 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 37.9 points per game
2017 end of season ranking: No. 20 overall, No. 3 in the SEC: 35.4 points per game
2016 end of season ranking: No. 102 overall, 24.5 points per game
Scoring defense
Ohio State: No. 13 overall, No. 6 in the Big Ten: 19.2 points allowed per game
Georgia: No. 2 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 12.8 points allowed per game
Last week: No. 1 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 11.3 points allowed per game
2021 end of season ranking: No. 1 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 10.2 points allowed per game (9.73 points allowed per game by the defense, but NCAA is counting a pick-six thrown by the offense)
2020 end of season ranking: No. 16 overall, No. 2 in the SEC: 20 points allowed per game
2019 end of season ranking: No. 1 overall, No. 1 in the SEC: 12.6 points allowed per game
2018 end of season ranking: No. 15 overall, No. 5 in SEC: 19.2 points allowed per game
2017 end of season ranking: No. 6 overall, No. 2 in SEC: 16.4 points allowed per game
2016 end of season ranking: No. 35 overall, 24 points allowed per game
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Yeah, I know every upper level team has huge players. And many can run like silliness.
Florida has a DT that's nigh unto 450 lbs. He's like a brick wall in running plays. Offensive linemen fire off on him and it's just a total annihilation of momentum.
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Seems like a recipe for heart issues .
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So is utee's eggnog, but some things are worth it.
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Film Study: Georgia's Defense Remains Among the Nation's Best, But Not As Dominant As A Year Ago | Eleven Warriors (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022-peach-bowl/2022/12/135905/film-study-georgias-defense-remains-among-the-nations-best-but-isnt-as-dominant-as-it-was-a-year?fbclid=IwAR2amL_xN8518nw9Cd2HaeQqAeSKVvmql5tnznWewxFz0sg0qcPVxjwzpNM)
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Some footballers are quite large ... Darnell Washington is second from right ...
[img width=499.988 height=332.998]https://i.imgur.com/ujX9S6W.png[/img]
Yeah, but he's no Kyle Pitts.
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Georgia football tickets for Peach Bowl vs. Ohio State in high demand (onlineathens.com) (https://www.onlineathens.com/story/sports/college/bulldogs-extra/2022/12/15/georgia-football-peach-bowl-ohio-state-buckeyes-college-football-playoff-josh-brooks-gary-stokan/69727576007/?fbclid=IwAR33Lnj4us-Ce6V3zIq41OxOKnn43r8PcQ9wRf_cCnObiB1YXHcP4gcSPIk)
Duh.
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https://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2022/12/15/23508456/georgia-film-review-constant-conflict
Here is a quick read outlining the general problem with defending UGA with several examples detailed. Without a slew of freakishly versatile defenders, you either need to the D-line to be massively disruptive or for the QB to have a bad day. Unfortunately for us, our line generated good pressure but Stetson Bennett still had a whale of a game in spite of it.
Should be interesting to see what Ohio State cooks up. I'm not downplaying Michigan/TCU which may turn out to be highly entertaining, but I'm more eager to see how this one goes.
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I'd guess Ryan Day and the Bucks are motivated.
a chance to save their season after a disappointing game vs Michigan
and possibly get another shot at their rival
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https://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2022/12/15/23508456/georgia-film-review-constant-conflict
Here is a quick read outlining the general problem with defending UGA with several examples detailed. Without a slew of freakishly versatile defenders, you either need to the D-line to be massively disruptive or for the QB to have a bad day. Unfortunately for us, our line generated good pressure but Stetson Bennett still had a whale of a game in spite of it.
Should be interesting to see what Ohio State cooks up. I'm not downplaying Michigan/TCU which may turn out to be highly entertaining, but I'm more eager to see how this one goes.
That’s a great read. In addition to all that Georgia makes a substantial offensive shift just before the snap on virtually every down. Extremely hard to defend even with great players.
I actually went to the Orange Bowl last year to watch Georgia versus Michigan. Michigan had an excellent defense and a very strong game plan, but Georgia was always one step ahead of them as far as running a play that put Michigan in conflict. Not sure how Ohio State can begin to defend that.
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well, that's why they got a fancy new D-coordinator!
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That’s a great read. In addition to all that Georgia makes a substantial offensive shift just before the snap on virtually every down. Extremely hard to defend even with great players.
I actually went to the Orange Bowl last year to watch Georgia versus Michigan. Michigan had an excellent defense and a very strong game plan, but Georgia was always one step ahead of them as far as running a play that put Michigan in conflict. Not sure how Ohio State can begin to defend that.
Could be the best way to overcome that is beat them in a shootout. It's possible LSU found some chinks in the armor of the Dawg defense. I don't know if it's likely, but it's possible.
Ohio State will have this going for it too, as compared to our game, they can rotate fresh bodies and (I guess?) have a very capable secondary. Two things we lacked. The scheme was obviously a big problem, but for every "unstoppable offense" there always comes a defensive answer, eventually. We were also undermanned and out-talented vs. UGA.....Ohio State shouldn't be.
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That’s a great read. In addition to all that Georgia makes a substantial offensive shift just before the snap on virtually every down. Extremely hard to defend even with great players.
I actually went to the Orange Bowl last year to watch Georgia versus Michigan. Michigan had an excellent defense and a very strong game plan, but Georgia was always one step ahead of them as far as running a play that put Michigan in conflict. Not sure how Ohio State can begin to defend that.
Monken called a terrific game plan vs Michigan's D. It honestly was masterful. They got the ball out of Stetson's hands fast and didn't do 5 and 7 step drop backs and let Michigan's pass rushers tee off. They completely neutralized Hutch & Ojabo. Georgia jumped out early and then Michigan was done-zo. Michigan's offense last year was hopeless if a team got a 14+ lead on it. They lacked explosive plays in the run game and they lacked a QB that could make plays- two things I think Michigan has this year. Georgia was up 17-0 in like the 1st QTR. It was like snap of the fingers...boom.
McNamara just flat out can't make plays that can break open games, he's definition of game manager. No athletic ability and a very mediocre arm. Haskins got most of the carries last year and in that game as well- and well he's a big bruiser not an explosive runner that can pop a 60 yard run like Corum or Edwards. I think Edwards only got 2 carries and Corum only 3 and Haskins had 9 or 10. But that's kind of besides the point, Georgia got them out of their comfort zone and they had to abandon the run because they were down 27-3 by half-time. Michigan wants their backs to run the ball 30 times in a game, not 14-15. Georgia breaking the game open forced them to be one dimensional and throw the ball and they just aren't built for that. Ohio State is. The question will be if Ohio State can run the ball just enough as not be so one dimensional. The health of Miyan Williams is going to be very important in this game- he's a battering ram, tough ass runner.
Ohio State has the QB and WRs who can keep them in the game and get them back in the game even if they get down 14-17 points. Michigan did not last year. CJ Stroud is about as good as it gets in terms of a pure thrower with accuracy/ball-placement and Marvin Harrison Jr is the best WR in CFB. Emeka Ebugka isn't quite elite but he's very talented and probably a year away from really breaking out. Those two guys can make big plays at receiver and CJ is as talented a thrower as you'll see in CFB.
Still think Georgia is too big and physical and ultimately wins at the end of the day, but Ohio State should not be counted down and out so readily. They've got offensive fire power that when it clicks, they can score in a flash.
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think this tool is an OSU slappy on local radio...lol
https://twitter.com/theblockspot/status/1605277979843743756?s=20&t=6SVVn_ND42gM_OLqXlm1sA
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think this tool is an OSU slappy on local radio...lol
https://twitter.com/theblockspot/status/1605277979843743756?s=20&t=6SVVn_ND42gM_OLqXlm1sA
Can you say “idiot”?
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Can you say “idiot”?
How many points did Petras drop on Iowa?
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How many points did Petras drop on Iowa?
Exactly
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The "line" predicts 34-27 Dawgs, which would work fine for me.
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It's weird.
When an SEC team doesn't win its division and gets a 2nd chance to win the NC, it's the end of Western Democracy.
A B1G team does it....ho-hum.
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Folks often decry the fourth selection even though often many of them have no viable alternative that would be better. This is the case again this year I think.
It's akin to claiming half the top ten are "over ranked" and being unable to list the five teams underranked that should be there.
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It's weird.
When an SEC team doesn't win its division and gets a 2nd chance to win the NC, it's the end of Western Democracy.
A B1G team does it....ho-hum.
The only playoff/BCS selection that I STRONGLY objected to was Alabama over ISU in 2011.
I really feel like LSU got screwed. They played a MUCH tougher schedule than Bama because:
- They played a better OOC, IIRC they played the ACC Champion OOC.
- They played the SEC-E Champion in the SECCG which Bama avoided by losing to LSU.
- The two LSU/Bama games were at Bama and neutral.
So in the end LSU had a better record (13-1 vs 12-1), played a tougher schedule, and split the H2H. They should be co-Champions, no?
All of that aside, my biggest objection was what @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) refers to here:
Folks often decry the fourth selection even though often many of them have no viable alternative that would be better. This is the case again this year I think.
There was a viable alternative. ISU had a better record and was a P5 Champion.
This years' case is much different. You can say that Ohio State shouldn't be there and my answer would be to ask who should be there instead. There are only three teams in the country with better records than the Buckeyes and they are the other three playoff participants. Any replacement would have a worse record AND at least one loss to a team worse than the one Ohio State lost to.
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LSU beat the Big East and PAC 10 champions OOC that year, rather handily. Alabama had nothing of the sort on their resume, literally their selling point was a close loss to a good team (LSU). Every single BCS computer ranking placed ISU ahead of Alabama. That's because ISU had better wins than Alabama, by several metrics. The only point in Bama's favor was a better loss than ISU had, but it says something when your resume silver bullet is a loss.
The thing that gets under my skin about that is not that it happened in a vacuum. It's that the argument used that year was "But who's the best team?" while "best resume" was used to put Alabama in other years. The voters changed the criteria to get certain teams in from year to year. Saban himself even campaigned on the two different merits in different years when it was convenient (and I don't actually blame him for that, he's the HC, that's what he's supposed to do). If they were consistent it would annoy me somewhat less. But it's clear the voters did what the voters wanted to do and used whatever justification they needed for it.
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good read here...how Kirby Smart built Georgia into another Alabama
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35297464/how-kirby-smart-built-georgia-another-alabama
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I read that piece, or most of it, I thought is basically recounted what everyone knew ...
I did not find it enlightening, but writers have to write something.
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(https://i.imgur.com/2Bo5uLF.png)
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Georgia Football: The immortal Larry Munson's greatest calls - Page 7 (dawnofthedawg.com) (https://dawnofthedawg.com/2014/07/06/georgia-football-larry-munsons-5-greatest-calls/7/)
“Florida in a stand-up five, they may or may not blitz, they won’t. Buck back. Third down on the 8. In trouble. Got a block behind him. Going to throw on the run. Complete to the 25, to the 30. Lindsay Scott 35, 40. Lindsay Scott 45, 50, 45, 40. Run Lindsay! Twenty-five, 20, 15, 10, 5. Lindsay Scott! Lindsay Scott! Lindsay Scott! … Well, I can’t believe it. 92 yards and Lindsay really got in a footrace, I broke my chair, I came right through a chair, a metal STEEL chair with about a five inch cushion … Do you know what is gonna happen here tonight? And up at St. Simons and Jekyll Island and all those places where all those Dawg people have got those condominiums for four days? MAN, is there gonna be some property destroyed tonight! 26 to 21, Dawgs on top! We were gone. I gave up, you did too. We were out of it and gone. Miracle!
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I wasn't sure where to put this so I'll drop it here, reflections on the 2022 Ohio State season and the NC:
I hope this doesn't come off as sour grapes because it isn't. The reality is that there has always been a certain amount of luck involved in winning an NC. Back in the Polls-and-Bowls era a lot of that luck was things like needing to lose early rather than late if you were going to lose and needing some random underdog to take out a team ranked ahead of you. I read once that Darrell Royal referred to Michigan's win over Ohio State in 1969 as one of the greatest wins in Texas football history. The backstory is that Texas won the NC in 1969 but wouldn't have if the Buckeyes had remained undefeated. From Texas' perspective that is pure luck. They had no control over it whatsoever. They just had to hope that somebody would knock off the #1 ranked defending champions.
Those "luck" factors have largely gone away with the advent of the BCS and now the CFP but there is still some luck involved. Some has to do with getting good bounces at opportune times in close games but another factor is injury luck.
I expected Ohio State to be a strong contender for the NC so this 11-2 season that will likely end with a #4 ranking is somewhat of a disappointment. I know that fans of most schools have trouble imagining seeing an 11-2 season that ends in the CFP and with a top-4 ranking as a disappointment but such is life at Ohio State. #Helmetproblems.
The thing is that I expected a NC (or REALLY close) but I also failed to anticipate:
- Multiple injuries in the tOSU secondary.
- The preseason favorite for the Biletnikoff, JSN, missing nearly the whole season. He ended the year with 5 receptions for 43 yards.
- Treveyon Henderson missing large chunks of the season. He was expected to be tOSU's feature back and I was optimistically hoping for a Zeke/Sermon type year but he ended up missing a lot and tOSU's rushing attempts for the year were split roughly evenly between Henderson, his preseason #2 Miyan Williams and true freshman Dallen Hayden.
- Marvin Harrison being knocked out of the CG. This was severely compounded by #2 above. In the decisive final minutes of the Peach Bowl Ohio State's WR's were: 1-Egbuka, 2-Fleming, 3-Johnson. Egbuka frankly isn't a bad #1 WR but he isn't JSN or Marvin Harrison either. Egbuka/Fleming as #3/4 WR's is just flat out unfair to opposing defenses. When they had to move up to #1/2, Ohio State's offense became a lot more manageable for Georgia's defense.
The above isn't to make excuses. Injuries are part of the game. You have to have a "next man up" approach. You have to be prepared to deal with them and move on. That said, the luck factor is in minimizing them and/or having them spread around different position groups such that you aren't hammered too badly at any one spot.
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Luck still plays a large role I think, especially in the playoffs.
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Luck still plays a large role I think, especially in the playoffs.
When an SEC team wins, it's because they were better.
When another team wins, they got lucky.
:)
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When an SEC team wins, it's because they were better.
When another team wins, they got lucky.
:)
And also the SEC team didn't want to be there.
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I thought Bama might "not want to be there" in their bowl.
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K-State didn't wanna be there
they wanted to be in the playoff cause they beat the Toads
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K-State didn't wanna be there
they wanted to be in the playoff cause they beat the Toads
Ed Zachary.
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Woulda been great if we could've taken care of business against A&M. I'm pretty sure LSU wanted to be in the Sugar against K-State.
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I thought Bama might "not want to be there" in their bowl.
nah. when Bryce Young and Will Anderson both play, that means they wanted to be there.
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I saw some "experts"(!!!) say the game meant a lot more to Day than Smart in terms of career. Is Day in any serious trouble now? Or do most folks see it as an unfortunate/unlucky fluke event?
Losing to TTUN might be more injurious.
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Losing to TTUN might be more injurious.
a lot more injurious.
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Surely not. Ohio State just went to the wire with the defending champs and is routinely better than 95% of other programs. It would be crazy if he were in trouble. I'd think he's got to lose a few more to Michigan for that to even be thought of by the AD.
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I'd think he's got to lose a few more to Michigan for that to even be thought of by the AD.
he's going to be in a lot of hot water in '23 if he loses to Michigan in Ann Arbor. His seat will start to get hot after that. Not saying it's a must win for him, but if he drops 3 in a row, that seat is gonna get white hot.
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(https://i.imgur.com/TLswoc6.png)
Lit up for the Dawgs' W.