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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2022, 10:14:23 PM
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1598145953009057797?s=20&t=pRlUeJHFAWy_HzpO2OX8aA
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great
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12 is excessive
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Rose Bowl has more clout than Notre Dame.
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Bad idea IMO,stretching the season will only have sunday bound kids sitting it out.Why risk more games and extended seasons.It works for the networks even some of the fans may fade beind drunk with too much.With bowl season inviting everyone from Dart teams to the Red Army
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Rose Bowl has more clout than Notre Dame.
The RB needs to get over itself......again.
Why do people (or entities) take pride in being a speed bump to progress?
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Simply have a 12 team playoff, the winner of which gets to play Notre Dame in the Rose Bowl.
Badda bing, badda boom. Problem solved.
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I think it’s awesome. If this board exists in ten years it will be fun to revisit this thread.
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Will greatly miss the high stakes early season games. Most people will be excited for this and it will make championship weekend more interesting, but I predict we'll look back in a few years and realize a lot of the early season excitement is gone.
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Utah and Tulane have no chance, but it's some TV money for them
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Will greatly miss the high stakes early season games. Most people will be excited for this and it will make championship weekend more interesting, but I predict we'll look back in a few years and realize a lot of the early season excitement is gone.
But did you notice that in recent years, especially after the 4 team playoff was initiated, the quality of early season games across the board went up? Teams no longer have to fear losing a early game. I think in most years there will be a lot of 2 and maybe 3 loss teams that get in that can be really good and make it thru the first or second round.
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Generally feels fine to me.
I’m never sure how to separate my understanding of watching old national title races from youthful naïveté. The argument that Week 1 could kill a contender’s title hopes both meant a contender could have 10-11 games without those stakes, and that a contender simply shouldn’t schedule a good game at all.
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Will greatly miss the high stakes early season games. Most people will be excited for this and it will make championship weekend more interesting, but I predict we'll look back in a few years and realize a lot of the early season excitement is gone.
It isn't just early season games, this applies to late season games as well. Reactions to a loss like the one tOSU suffered on Saturday:
- Pre-BCS era: Hope we are better next year, heading to the Citrus Bowl this year sure sucks.
- BCS era: Well, with M going to the BCSNCG, we'll get yhe RoseBowl but it sure feels weird being a replacement there.
- CFP era: If USC or TCU lose we are back!
- 12-team playoff era: Eh, no bye we gotta play four games instead of three.
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Meh, double meh, I'll watch of course. The lesser bowl game will be trashed.
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It isn't just early season games, this applies to late season games as well. Reactions to a loss like the one tOSU suffered on Saturday:
- Pre-BCS era: Hope we are better next year, heading to the Citrus Bowl this year sure sucks.
- BCS era: Well, with M going to the BCSNCG, we'll get yhe RoseBowl but it sure feels weird being a replacement there.
- CFP era: If USC or TCU lose we are back!
- 12-team playoff era: Eh, no bye we gotta play four games instead of three.
Yeah this is where I'm at. Removes a tremendous amount of intensity from the end of the season when many of the top teams will be given mulligans.
On the flipside, I'm hopeful Gigem is correct and that it can actually serve to improve the quality of early season intersectional matchups, in order to get an edge in SOS and potentially secure byes/home games in the early rounds. I'm not sure whether or not we're "already seeing evidence of this" but I am hopeful that it comes to pass.
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NFL lite.
And it SUCKS.
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Why not go to 64 teams, let's be NCAA Basketball where most don't watch or pay attention to the regular season.
Been a steady downhill since leaving the polls. Now get off my lawn.
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We'll still watch, many will watch more ... $$$$$$$$$$$. I'm a bit surprised it took this long.
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How about a maximum limit on the number of teams, like 2, any conference can have in the payoff? With each team on the other side of the bracket in that situation.
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Maybe, but which teams would replace them? You'd run out of P5 teams.
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Imagine the current CGs all resulted in upsets and we had the 12 teamer going:
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...that's 4...?
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Yeah this is where I'm at. Removes a tremendous amount of intensity from the end of the season when many of the top teams will be given mulligans.
On the flipside, I'm hopeful Gigem is correct and that it can actually serve to improve the quality of early season intersectional matchups, in order to get an edge in SOS and potentially secure byes/home games in the early rounds. I'm not sure whether or not we're "already seeing evidence of this" but I am hopeful that it comes to pass.
Not only removes intensity from the end of the season, but inevitably we'll start seeing players sit when a desired benchmark has been achieved. Why risk your studs getting injured in a game before the playoffs start? Can't wait to see Ohio State sit a CJ Stroud against Michigan or Alabama sit a Bryce Young vs. Auburn, because why risk it. For those who think that won't ever happen, I have beautiful beachfront property in Nevada I'd like to sell you at a great price.
We've already got an NFL. We don't need another one.
But we're getting it anyway.
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Well, there is the seeding part, if that matters.
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Thus the "desired benchmarks." There'll be teams who are happy with certain outcomes and weigh additional advantages as too risky, or else seeds will already be secured, just like they can be in the NFL.
Nothing used to suck worse than watching the Colts in the last game or two of the year when they were already #1 no matter what, and Peyton didn't play. Of course, then they'd go on to lose after a bye to a wildcard team, or else the Patriots, and we probably at least won't see that because both the Big Ten and the SEC have rejected the Patriots' request to join their conference.
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How about a maximum limit on the number of teams, like 2, any conference can have in the payoff? With each team on the other side of the bracket in that situation.
have to make it 3
5 conferences X 2 isn't enuff
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out of curiosity, what the 5th?
and he's wrong about a few.
sos, were basically neck and neck. depending on where you look (i don't know where cfb selectors look), bama is ahead by 1 or 2 in some (sagarin, teamrank.com, massey, espn fpi sor), and tenn is ahead 1-2 on some (espn fpi sos, colley, probably few others i didn't look for).
h2h is obvious, but about as close as you can get.
top 25 we're both 2-2 vs current top 25. tenn has both the better wins and worse loses, so not sure where you fall there.
common opp, we're 1-1, they're 2-0 (lsu and vandy).
fwiw, neither should be in this year, imo. both have 2 losses, neither is a conf champ or even a division champ. both are lacking a real "eye test" passing grade too, imo.
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have to make it 3
5 conferences X 2 isn't enuff
sec and b1g get 3 each
bigxii gets 2
acc and pac get 1-2 each
g5's get 0-2 depending on acc/pac.
feels like what it's gonna actually be anyway, might as well make it official.
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How about a maximum limit on the number of teams, like 2, any conference can have in the payoff? With each team on the other side of the bracket in that situation.
I think this would have been fine a few years ago and actually would be fine THIS year but once Texas and Oklahoma go to the SEC and then the two LA schools go to the B1G that is just too many historically REALLY good programs in those conferences for them to be capped.
It is not entirely impossible that USC, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State could all have a REALLY good season in the same year. So USC goes 12-0/9-0 and wins the expanded B1G-W (USC, UCLA, UNL, MN, IA UW, NU, IL), Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State all go 1-1 against each other and each finishes 11-1/8-1 and wins the expanded B1G-E (RU, UMD, PSU, tOSU, M, MSU, IU, PU). Then lets say the tOSU/M/PSU tiebreaker winner takes out USC in the B1GCG (in Shanghi I assume) so the B1G ends up with:
- 12-1 B1G Champion tOSU/M/PSU
- 12-1 B1GCG loser USC
- 11-1 B1G-E co-Champion/tiebreaker loser tOSU/M/PSU
- 11-1 B1G-E co-Champion/tiebreaker loser tOSU/M/PSU
All four of those teams are clearly good enough for the playoff and really none of them are definitively worse than any of the others.
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I think the days of the conference championship game may be numbered for P5 conferences. What's the point if the conference's 2 best teams both make the playoff anyway? Better to just expand the playoff to 16 teams and get rid of the CCG.
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I would not like to see some team left out simply because three teams in their conference was ranked higher and the substitute was "Cincinnati".
Take this year if LSU beats UGA, both are in a 12 team mix, and then you have Bama and Tenn with pretty comparable records, better than anyone else further down who would not be in.
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well, you're an SEC fan so,...... that's just like your opinion, Man
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I'm not much of an SEC fan, as some think of it. I try and emulate ftbobs without all the math.
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back to the old discussion... what's fair?
the most deserving team overall, or conference champs and the non-P5 programs getting a few crumbs
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The old bowl system, with a +1 caveat if there are 2 undefeateds remaining.
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I was looking back at things yesterday, and it's amazing to me that the BCS was a thing. In hindsight, it's incredible that computers were involved. But keep in mind, the computers were never plainly used - it was always a tamed version of the computers and then further altered as outcomes happened that the masses didn't like or understand.
The problem with the computers was that a team could automatically move up with a loss vs a great team or the opposite - demolish a bad team and move down. That wasn't a problem with the computers actually, just with the human's reaction to the computers.
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didn't they force the computer formulas to remove MOV?
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Yes, they were compromised computer rankings/formulas from the start.
We're dumb.
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well, since nothing is perfect, the leaders that be... jackets that grub for $$$
keep tweaking and changing things
usually to benefit the helmets / SEC
to appease the largest amount of fans to suck the maximum about of $$$ out of them
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well, since nothing is perfect, the leaders that be... jackets that grub for $$$
keep tweaking and changing things
usually to benefit the helmets / SEC
Uhhh...what?
Didn't this all start because of 2011?
So they expanded for more inclusion and what did we get? Alabama 2015 and 2017. LSU 2019. Alabama 2020. Georgia 2021. And to say "I told you so," I warned against that and said be careful what you wish for.
So the rest of the country isn't a fan of all these SEC NCs. So let's expand. Again.
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So when it's 2 teams, it benefits the SEC? But when it's 12....it benefits the SEC? Did I miss something?
And yes, with this 12-team format, you risk having 4 SEC teams in it, with 2 or 3 making it to the semis.
Sorry???
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So they expanded for more SEC inclusion
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They're stupid.
Hmm, we have 5 major conferences? Let's have a 4-team playoff. Let's guarantee exclusion of somebody!
Ah, damn! Everyone seems to want inclusion! Who could have predicted such a thing?!?!!!?
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All the while, giving worse teams a chance at the NC, and guaranteeing more rematches, etc.
Fun stuff.
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So they expanded for more SEC inclusion
I'm really surprised it took this long given the $$$ left on the table each year. I know we fans watch the Poulan Weedeater Bowl in mid-December because, well, at least it's some football. But not many folks do obviously. Even the Citrus Bowl has poor attendance on site even if its ratings are "OK". We'll now have four games twice (8) with much better ratings followed by two more and the NC. So, if I calculated right, 8 TV events with ratings better than the Citrus Bowl gets.
The Citrus and lesser bowls are going to be even more of an afterthought, I'd guess the really small ones will die completely. I don't know how many would get left.
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I'm really surprised it took this long given the $$$ left on the table each year. I know we fans watch the Poulan Weedeater Bowl in mid-December because, well, at least it's some football. But not many folks do obviously. Even the Citrus Bowl has poor attendance on site even if its ratings are "OK". We'll now have four games twice (8) with much better ratings followed by two more and the NC. So, if I calculated right, 8 TV events with ratings better than the Citrus Bowl gets.
The Citrus and lesser bowls are going to be even more of an afterthought, I'd guess the really small ones will die completely. I don't know how many would get left.
A good thing IMO. Any bowl that generally takes place before Christmas can go.
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So they expanded for more SEC inclusion
Percentagewise, maybe not really, as SEC teams have comprised more than 25% of the CFP offering over time. That would likely remain about the same with 12, 3 or 4, maybe a slight uptick?
Will we still have the CFP committee concept setting the schedules?
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with a 4 team the SEC has had 50%
so not percentage wise
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Anytime you can get the word 'chaos' in the title, you've done your job of getting more clicks than you probably should.
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I didn't nibble
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I think the days of the conference championship game may be numbered for P5 conferences. What's the point if the conference's 2 best teams both make the playoff anyway? Better to just expand the playoff to 16 teams and get rid of the CCG.
unless they figure out a way to make more money some other way, ccg are here to stay. jmo
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The larger threat to CGs could be players sitting out, or coaches playing their 2s instead. I wouldn't do this, but some might?
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michigan will be holding back this Saturday
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michigan will be holding back this Saturday
lol no they won't.
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The sitting out thing is going to be a thing, already is obviously.
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lol no they won't.
they should be
no sense getting someone injured vs Purdue
if they're up by 14 after the first quarter, run the ball with a back up and let some other reserves get some snaps
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they should be
no sense getting someone injured vs Purdue
if they're up by 14 after the first quarter, run the ball with a back up and let some other reserves get some snaps
baloney. these guys want to win the B1G back to back. Something no Michigan squad has done since 2003-2004.
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The sitting out thing is going to be a thing, already is obviously.
it 100% is. for meaningless bowl games.
you don't really see guys sitting out for conference championship games and in the playoff. winning your conference is a big deal. so is playing in the playoff for a national title. i can't recall guys sitting out for either of those yet. i do recall lot of future nfl draft picks sitting out of all the other meaningless bowl games though.
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you don't think they can beat Purdue w/o their best effort?
16.5 favorites
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btw, Trojans 3 point favs vs the Utes
TCU 1.5 points over the Purple pussies
Bucknuts are getting in
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I think Michigan and Georgia might try and rest players who are a bit dinged up who would otherwise play the full game. A better idea is to get ahead 28-3 and rest'em then.
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you don't think they can beat Purdue w/o their best effort?
16.5 favorites
if it was a regular season game it'd be an Illinois repeat where they sat half their starters and vanilla'd it out to a squeeker win.
it's not a regular season game. they want to win the B1G. Badly. winning the conference is a huge deal. winning a regular season game is not.
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Jimmy already has the blueprint from Illinois
I'd use it again
gotta be fresh for the playoff