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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on November 29, 2022, 10:00:26 PM
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1 - Georgia
2 - Michigan
3 - TCU
4 - USC
5 - Ohio St
6 - Alabama
7 - Tennessee
8 - Penn St
9 - Clemson
10 - Kansas St
11 - Utah
12 - Washington
13 - Florida St
14 - LSU
15 - Oregon St
16 - Oregon
I don't think it matters where anyone is ranked behind Ohio St. A TCU loss still keeps them ahead of Bama, imo.
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If we had a 12-team playoff today:
12 Tulane @ 5 Ohio St........winner vs 4 USC
11 Utah @ 6 Alabama..........winner vs 3 TCU
10 Kansas St @ 7 Tennessee......winner vs 2 Michigan
9 Clemson @ 8 Penn St (I think)....winner vs 1 Georgia
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I think the committee would move Clemson ahead of Penn St, to have the conference champ host vs the non-champ. But this is all pretend for now.
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And that's why I'd prefer the 10-2 model. We don't need to see a #8 Penn State team, that finished 3rd in their division, have a shot.
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And that's why I'd prefer the 10-2 model. We don't need to see a #8 Penn State team, that finished 3rd in their division, have a shot.
As opposed to a Toledo team that lost to Ohio State by a thousand points?
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And that's why I'd prefer the 10-2 model. We don't need to see a #8 Penn State team, that finished 3rd in their division, have a shot.
don't need #5, #6, or #7 either
#5 just got run by Michigan
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don't need #5, #6, or #7 either
#5 just got run by Michigan
Sort of like Georgia got run by Bama last season..
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A lot of talk that- assuming USC wins- Penn State ends up in the Rose v Utah to avoid last year OSU/Utah rematch- and OSU goes to Orange.
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A lot of talk that- assuming USC wins- Penn State ends up in the Rose v Utah to avoid last year OSU/Utah rematch- and OSU goes to Orange.
How do you figure that Utah would be there after losing? I assumed it would be Washington at 10-2 rather than Utah at 9-4.
I see four possibilities in order of likelihood:
- Washington vs Ohio State
- Utah vs Penn State
- Washington vs Purdue
- Utah vs Purdue
Those are based on:
- USC/M both win and go to the CFP. Washington and tOSU are the highest ranking available teams.
- Utah and M win. Michigan goes to the CFP and Utah's win gets tOSU in as well. Utah goes as Pac Champion, PSU goes as the highest ranking available team.
- USC and Purdue win. USC goes to the CFP as a result of their win, M goes in spite of their loss. Purdue goes as B1G Champion, Washington goes as the highest ranking available team.
- Underdogs Utah and Purdue both win and both go to the Rose Bowl as league Champions.
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As opposed to a Toledo team that lost to Ohio State by a thousand points?
I'd rather see an undeserving team play a meaningful game, and then get blasted, than an undeserving team sit at home and then win, like the 10th best team might do
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How do you figure that Utah would be there after losing? I assumed it would be Washington at 10-2 rather than Utah at 9-4.
I see four possibilities in order of likelihood:
- Washington vs Ohio State
- Utah vs Penn State
- Washington vs Purdue
- Utah vs Purdue
Those are based on:
- USC/M both win and go to the CFP. Washington and tOSU are the highest ranking available teams.
- Utah and M win. Michigan goes to the CFP and Utah's win gets tOSU in as well. Utah goes as Pac Champion, PSU goes as the highest ranking available team.
- USC and Purdue win. USC goes to the CFP as a result of their win, M goes in spite of their loss. Purdue goes as B1G Champion, Washington goes as the highest ranking available team.
- Underdogs Utah and Purdue both win and both go to the Rose Bowl as league Champions.
Yes- this all makes sense. I just read it in a forum or blog- and Herbie said it again last night.
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JMO but I'd move Bama up,two close losses on the road by 4pts total.Tennessee at the time was 4-5, LSU was in the top ten also
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Bama fatigue!
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It shouldn't influence any decisions, BUT UM knocking OSU off it's pedestal is good for the sport. We had about 5-6 years there of BAMA-CLEMSON-OKALHOMA-OHIO STATE and pretty much no one else. It was bland.
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Michigan! TCU! Spice of life and all that.
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Sort of like Georgia got run by Bama last season..
sort of, but they both had losses last year
Michigan doesn't this season, Georgia doesn't, TCU doesn't (yet)
if TCU is upset by K-State, I'm like to simply have Georgia and Michigan play for the crystal
but, that wouldn't generate nearly as much revenue as 3 games
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Bama fatigue!
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It shouldn't influence any decisions, BUT UM knocking OSU off it's pedestal is good for the sport. We had about 5-6 years there of BAMA-CLEMSON-OKALHOMA-OHIO STATE and pretty much no one else. It was bland.
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Michigan! TCU! Spice of life and all that.
a folks didn't know how it would ever change
well, foolish talking heads with microphones
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UGA hasn't looked that sound of late, to me, they could lose to LSU I think.
--- Larry Munson.
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hopefully, some good games this weekend
with a few upsets to spice things up
rooting for the Utes, Mildkitties, and Purdue, of course
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hopefully, some good games this weekend
with a few upsets to spice things up
rooting for the Utes, Mildkitties, and Purdue, of course
We've discussed this around the margins but let's get more thorough, what is actually at stake in each P5 CG:
ACCCG, UNC vs Clemson:
There are no CFP implications but there is still a good bit at stake because the winner goes to the Orange Bowl but the loser has no realistic shot at a NY6 bowl. Thus, while the winner is in the major and famous Orange Bowl, the loser goes to Orlando for the Cheez-it Bowl.
B12CG, KSU vs TCU:
For TCU there is a CFP bid to play for. The Frogs could theoretically make it even with a loss especially if USC also loses but there are no guarantees. KSU gets a NY6 bowl with a win. With a loss they might still sneak in but they'd be sweating out the selections.
B1GCG, M vs Purdue:
Michigan is in the CFP either way and this might not even matter for seeding depending on what happens with UGA and USC. For Purdue this game is the difference between the Rose Bowl and probably the Citrus.
P12CG, USC vs Utah:
USC is the only CG participant that is clearly in with a win and clearly out with a loss so they have the biggest stakes this weekend. Utah is in a situation similar to Purdue in that this game is the difference between the Rose Bowl and the Alamo Bowl.
SECCG, LSU vs UGA:
Georgia has slightly higher stakes than Michigan because with a win they are clearly #1 but with a loss they'd have almost no shot at #1. That said, #1 might not actually be a good thing. It depends on how good you think TCU, USC, and/or tOSU are relative to each other. For LSU in similar fashion to the other underdogs this game makes a big difference in bowl destination between the NY6 and the Citrus.
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OSU still looks dangerous to me, but USC with their QB might be more so. Teams with great QBs often win this thing.
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OSU still looks dangerous to me, but USC with their QB might be more so. Teams with great QBs often win this thing.
That is an either/or but, as a Georgia fan, how would you rank difficulty of beating those two and TCU?
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I'm influenced by helmet as much as anyone and have not watched TCU much at all. I THINK I'd rate USC a touch above OSU in "danger", but both offenses are scary. I would be pretty confident about beating TCU but couldn't lay out why at all beyond helmet. Michigan? Are they better than last season? UGA is, overall.
These games often are decided by unpredictable events like TOs and tipped passes and penalties.
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all these folks who have not seen TCU play are in for a big surprise
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agreed, they play defense
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Just to play this out, let's assume the following:
- UGA is in regardless and gets the highest seed of teams with their # of losses.
- M is in regardless and is behind only UGA if undefeated but ahead of only tOSU among 1-loss teams (I'm making this assumption because a loss to Purdue would be easily the worst loss for any contender)
- TCU is behind UGA and M as an undefeated and out with a loss unless USC also loses in which case they are #4.
- USC is in with a win and out with a loss.
- tOSU is the "first team out" and gets in if TCU or USC loses but otherwise out.
So there are 16 possibilities based on the outcomes of four games:
(https://i.imgur.com/ukZwv7v.png)
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all these folks who have not seen TCU play are in for a big surprise
agreed, they play defense
I think TCU is better than a lot of folks are giving them credit for.
I don't think they're good enough to win the CFP, but that's as much because I don't believe anyone is going to beat Georgia, as anything else.
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The above are roughly in order of likelihood. I have Georgia in regardless so they have 16 potential situations:
- 7 they play Ohio State (6 1v4, 1 2v3)
- 4 they play TCU (2 of each)
- 3 they play USC (1 1v4, 2 2v3)
- 2 they play Michigan (1 of each)
Michigan is also in in all 16 scenarios:
- 6 they play TCU (2 1v4, 4 2v3)
- 4 they play USC (1 1v4, 3 2v3)
- 4 they play tOSU (2 of each)
- 2 they play Georgia (1 of each)
TCU is in in the eight scenarios in which they beat KSU and the four where they lose but USC also loses:
- 6 they play Michigan (2 1v4, 4 2v3)
- 4 they play Georgia (2 of each)
- 1 they play USC (2v3)
- 1 they play tOSU (1v4)
Ohio State is in in the eight scenarios in which Utah beats USC and the four in which USC wins but TCU loses:
- 7 they play Georgia (5 1v4, 1 2v3)
- 4 they play Michigan (2 of each)
- 1 they play TCU (1v4)
USC is in in the eight scenarios in which they beat Utah:
- 4 they play Michigan (1 1v4, 3 2v3)
- 3 they play Georgia (1 1v4, 2 2v3)
- 1 they play TCU (2v3)
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UGA is certainly "gettable". Any team is, pretty much. UGA has looked pretty pedestrian at times, I'm not sure exactly why. Motivation?
We may learn more in the CG.
As for TCU, it's just hard to get past the name. How important is defense in the CFP?
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I think TCU is better than a lot of folks are giving them credit for.
I don't think they're good enough to win the CFP, but that's as much because I don't believe anyone is going to beat Georgia, as anything else.
I agree but if given a shot I think TCU could beat the other two
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Michigan? Are they better than last season? UGA is, overall.
These games often are decided by unpredictable events like TOs and tipped passes and penalties.
Probably a running threat from the QB not sure about passing
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all these folks who have not seen TCU play are in for a big surprise
psh, they only beat texas by 7. who beats texas by only 1 score, lol?
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As for TCU, it's just hard to get past the name. How important is defense in the CFP?
playing offenses like USC and Ohio St., ya gotta be able to get a couple stops
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UGA is certainly "gettable". Any team is, pretty much. UGA has looked pretty pedestrian at times, I'm not sure exactly why. Motivation?
We may learn more in the CG.
As for TCU, it's just hard to get past the name. How important is defense in the CFP?
d is very important.
the scoring d rank of each champ in cfb playoff:
uga - 1
bama - 13
lsu - 31
clem - 1
bama - 1
clem - 10
bama - 3
osu - 26
lsu and osu are bit of anomalies, but that lsu d really turned it on second half of season. and ended up holding their cfbp opp to their lowest and 3rd lowest (by 1 point) scores of their seasons.
the osu d isn't so clear it was getting better, but that was a weird year. they were still the 2nd ranked scoring d from the cfb playoff participants. outlier maybe, i don't know.
this years cfb playoff hopefuls scoring d rank (pre ccg weekend):
uga - 1
mich - 3
tcu - 53
usc - 60
osu - 13
bama - 10 (i don't think bama is in it, don't think bama should be in it, but i'm also a homer and a hypocrite, so suck it)
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UGA lost probably their best player on defense (aside from Carter) before the Tenn game. That one hurt (LB).
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all these folks who have not seen TCU play are in for a big surprise
I think TCU is better than a lot of folks are giving them credit for.
I think you may be misunderstanding some of our views of TCU.
This is a discussion of the CFP and the contenders for that have been narrowed down to TCU, UGA, M, USC, and tOSU. To say that you think any one of those is the worst of the bunch isn't necessarily saying that they are a bad team. The competition is REALLY strong and one of them has to be the weakest.
My take on the five:
TCU:
They have a lot more close wins than one would expect for teams at this level and those close wins include a few over teams that NC contenders absolutely should not struggle with. That said, they have beaten all opponents so far so maybe they are this year's 2002 tOSU. The problem, as I see it, is that works . . . until it doesn't. For the vast majority of teams like that it eventually doesn't work and they play like they did against a crap opponent and lose to a good one.
Georgia:
When they've been at their best they've looked unstoppable. However, they seem to forget they are playing from time to time and they end up in inexplicable situations like close late with Kent and Mizzou or only up by a FG at halftime over a woeful GaTech team. I suspect that as defending Champions there are more-or-less just bored and they'll be at their best in the CFP but I could see a possibility where they lose the semi-final if they show up as 3 TD favorites and sleep walk through 3/4 of the game.
Michigan:
They have looked very beatable at times but much like TCU and UGA they've always been able to find what they needed. The problem, same as for TCU is that works . . . until it doesn't.
USC: They have a Heisman-to-be QB who is a threat to score on every play and a really good offense around him but their defense only does one thing reasonably well. The good news is that one thing is create turnovers but that is the bad news too because if they don't get the turnovers they aren't stopping anybody in this group.
Ohio State:
I think question #1 is where their collective head is. They were sloppy and indisciplined against Michigan and it cost them dearly. Those 9 penalties for 91 yards ended a few tOSU drives and extended a few M drives and easily could have been the difference in the game. If they get the opportunity they could spend December working to earn redemption and show up looking like the team to beat or they could spend December feeling sorry for themselves and show up looking like a shell of "September Ohio State".
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"19 year old kids ..."
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My step son in law had some NFL games going while we were there and I watched more NFL than I usually watch in a year. I was struck by how businesslike it seemed (!!!). It almost was like the NBA where players barely play hard at all at times. I saw few to no examples of real effort beyond the usual, and little enthusiasm.
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d is very important.
the scoring d rank of each champ in cfb playoff:
uga - 1
bama - 13
lsu - 31
clem - 1
bama - 1
clem - 10
bama - 3
osu - 26
lsu and osu are bit of anomalies, but that lsu d really turned it on second half of season. and ended up holding their cfbp opp to their lowest and 3rd lowest (by 1 point) scores of their seasons.
the osu d isn't so clear it was getting better, but that was a weird year. they were still the 2nd ranked scoring d from the cfb playoff participants. outlier maybe, i don't know.
Those LSU and tOSU teams also each had a guy on offense who just played head-and-shoulders above everyone else at least at the end of the season.
Burrow for LSU was sensational and Zeke's performance in the last three games was just about at that level. For that year Zeke was very good with the third highest rushing total nationally but if you back out the last three games he was only "good". His stat lines from the last three games:
- Vs UW: 20 carries, 220 yards, 11 yard avg, 2 TD's
- Vs Bama: 20 carries, 230 yards, 11.5 yard average, 2 TD's
- Vs Oregon: 36 carries, 246 yards, 6.8 yard average, 4 TD's
- Average: 25.3 carries, 232 yards, 9.2 yard average, 2.7 TD's
That is just insane and when matched with an already potent offense and a defense that I do think had improved somewhat over the course of the year it was unstoppable.
It is hard to quantify improvement over the season but the 20 points that Oregon scored in the title game was their lowest of the year. Only Zona (24) and WSU (38) held them to 42 or less. The shutout of Wisconsin in the CG was easily Wisconsin's lowest output of the year and even the 35 that your Crimson Tide put up in the Sugar Bowl was fairly low by Bama's standards that year.
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agreed, they play defense
Actually, outside of the Texas game when their defense played lights out their defense has just been kinda meh. 74th in total defense, 53rd in scoring defense. The offense has been the better unit of the two. 4th in scoring offense, 16th in total. They are balanced offensively too.
But make no mistake, I put TCU a notch behind UGA and Michigan. USC too, but to a lesser extent.
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I think TCU is "good enough" to win this thing with a break or three. They need to win the CG first of course. That's a top ten ranked matchup.
I think every team will need a break or three to win three tough games in a row.
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Actually, outside of the Texas game when their defense played lights out their defense has just been kinda meh. 74th in total defense, 53rd in scoring defense. The offense has been the better unit of the two. 4th in scoring offense, 16th in total. They are balanced offensively too.
But make no mistake, I put TCU a notch behind UGA and Michigan. USC too, but to a lesser extent.
hah, I watched the Texas game and the Iowa St game
a couple of their better defensive performances
any defense that can shut down the Horn's running backs is pretty solid
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As an Ohio State fan I can only hope this changes but there really haven't been many CG upsets in the CFP era.
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As an Ohio State fan I can only hope this changes but there really haven't been many CG upsets in the CFP era.
interested in this. went back to look.
in sec - only 2021 #4 bama over #1 uga, and in 2017 #6 uga over #4 au. not sure i'd consider either of those upsets, more like toss up winners.
in b1g - 2017 #8 osu over #4 wisc, 2016 #7 psu over #6 osu, and 2015 #5 mich st over #4 iowa. again, wouldn't consider any of those upsets, just toss up winners.
in bigxii - 2020 #12 oklahoma over #8 iowa st and 2021 #9 baylor over #5 ok st. again, toss ups, imo.
in acc - 2020 #3 clemson over #2 notre dame. such a weird one, and no, just a toss up.
in pac - 2021 - #14 utah over #10 oregon, 2020 UR oregon over #13 usc, finally a real upset. but didn't effect playoffs.
in fact, memory might be messing with me, but only 2017 osu and uga wins, 2015 mich st win, 2020 clemson win, and maybe 2021 baylor win effected the cfbp. and 3 of those were play in games.
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Michigan:
They have looked very beatable at times but much like TCU and UGA they've always been able to find what they needed. The problem, same as for TCU is that works . . . until it doesn't.
yeah I'm just not seeing where Michigan has looked very beatable at times aside from an Illinois game where like half their starters were sitting out and they were clearly on cruise control and looking ahead to Ohio State.
The two top 10 teams they played- Penn State and Ohio State, they steamrolled by 3+ TDs. Everyone else they played they played a vanilla brand of ball on and still choked them all into submission. You want to give Maryland and Iowa props for scoring garbage points with seconds left in games that were already decided by double digits- one by 15 and one by 20, be my guest. But I don't.
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Probably a running threat from the QB not sure about passing
They are a much better team all around this year. JJ has better passing #'s than Cade. JJ has 2 More pass TD's and 4 LESS INT's than Cade in 3 less games. Cade started 14 games last year. JJ has only started 11 and he's got nearly as many yards as Cade did in 14, his completion % is higher, he's got more TD passes and he's got 4 less INT's.
JJ has been a SIGNIFICANTLY better QB than Cade has. Especially when you factor in the element of his legs. It's not really close.
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Ah so we've now reached the point in the season where MDot flips the lightswitch from being overly damning of Harbaugh and the UM quarterback, to being frenetically optimistic.
Got it.
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Ah so we've now reached the point in the season where MDot flips the lightswitch from being overly damning of Harbaugh and the UM quarterback, to being frenetically optimistic.
Got it.
Nah. Harbaugh still sucks when it comes to the passing game. He probably always will. Just is what it is.
JJ is just objectively A LOT better than Cade McNamara. Cade McNamara kinda sucks. Very limited arm talent, is a statue and completely unathletic. Cade got WAY too much credit for last year. His ass was never anything but along for the ride.
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Nah. Harbaugh still sucks when it comes to the passing game. He probably always will. Just is what it is.
JJ is just objectively A LOT better than Cade McNamara. Cade McNamara kinda sucks. Very limited arm talent, is a statue and completely unathletic. Cade got WAY too much credit for last year. His ass was never anything but along for the ride.
Just giving you a hard time. You know I pull for the Wolverines. Although that is partly just to annoy Mr. N, I'll admit.:)
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Be careful we may send another of our offensive coordinators Ryan Day your way.Just like we did Herman - thank me later
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Be careful we may send another of our offensive coordinators Ryan Day your way.Just like we did Herman - thank me later
Oof. Painful.
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Nah. Harbaugh still sucks when it comes to the passing game. He probably always will. Just is what it is.
JJ is just objectively A LOT better than Cade McNamara. Cade McNamara kinda sucks. Very limited arm talent, is a statue and completely unathletic. Cade got WAY too much credit for last year. His ass was never anything but along for the ride.
He is better, but when your top 2 RBs average 6.3 ypc, as a QB, you're kind of along for the ride (in a good way). UM passes about 38% of the time, which is on the edge between run-heavy and balanced. JJ has been very efficient.
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so, yer sayin JJ has a chance against Georgia?
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so, yer sayin JJ has a chance against Georgia?
not sure. I will say M will have a better shot with JJ than they could have had with Cade as he'll be able to make throws and plays with his feet that Cade just simply could not and cannot ever make due to: physical/talent limitations.
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He is better, but when your top 2 RBs average 6.3 ypc, as a QB, you're kind of along for the ride (in a good way). UM passes about 38% of the time, which is on the edge between run-heavy and balanced. JJ has been very efficient.
fair enough. JJ can just do a lot more with his arm and feet than Cade. he's just a more talented, better player.
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so, yer sayin JJ has a chance against Georgia?
They have a chance, but a repeat of last year is possible, too.
UGA's defense is basically as good as it was last year, based on the numbers.
The Dawgs' offense isn't, however. The numbers are similar to last year, but they've passed more this year, but less efficiently. And they don't have a James Cook at RB this year, either.
The problem with UM vs UGA last year was that they were similar teams and one was easily more talented.
They're less similar this year. That could favor UM, but we wouldn't really know until they play.
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The Dawgs' offense isn't, however. The numbers are similar to last year, but they've passed more this year, but less efficiently. And they don't have a James Cook at RB this year, either.
It's interesting. They've turned up the pace and feel like a less run-centric offense. Those top three pass catchers are studs, but they're also using the screen game as an extended run game.
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They have a chance, but a repeat of last year is possible, too.
UGA's defense is basically as good as it was last year, based on the numbers.
The Dawgs' offense isn't, however. The numbers are similar to last year, but they've passed more this year, but less efficiently. And they don't have a James Cook at RB this year, either.
The problem with UM vs UGA last year was that they were similar teams and one was easily more talented.
They're less similar this year. That could favor UM, but we wouldn't really know until they play.
Not sure the Georgia defense is basically as good as it was last year - considering it lost 5 guys to the 1st round plus Nakobe Dean and Channing Tindall and then has lost Nolan Smith for the year this year. That's 8 key players on that 2021 defense gone from their defense in 2022. Like, it's still obviously very good, maybe even still the best in America, but at the same time it's just not quite the same.
I want to say Georgia through the regular season (12 games) last year was giving up like 6.8 PPG- which is literally insane and was light years ahead of every defense in the nation last year. I think in 2022 they're around 11-12 PPG, which is in the same ballpark as Michigan and Illinois defenses this year. Like, it's still a really good defense, but it's not quite that 2021 defense.
Michigan imo got upgraded at QB- JJ is just much better talent/player than Cade, upgraded at RB- Corum and Edwards are a better more talented duo than Haskins and Corum, upgraded at WR- they got Ronnie Bell who is the best of a bunch of mediocre WRs back who missed all of 2021, and they upgraded at OL- their two guards were first year starters in 2021 and are better players in 2022 plus they got maybe the best center in the country to transfer in Olu Oluwatimi- and he's just a much better player than their walk-on 5th year center Andrew Vastardis.
On defense they got better in the secondary with frosh CB Will Johnson and Mike Sainistril switching to nickel, they're roughly same at linebacker, they definitely got better and deeper at defensive tackle, and while they lost two elite EDGE players in Hutchinson & Ojabo they have more depth there in the rotation and Mike Morris is a pretty damn good player.
I'd still pick Georgia, but it'd probably be a much better and closer game this time around. Georgia probably took a little step back from where they were last year and Michigan took a little step forward- which you'd think would make it a more even game and not such a blowout.
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Michigan lost a few studs on defense from last year and hasn't missed a beat
I'd guess nearly the same for Georgia
Georgia had a great game passing the ball last year
and JJ had only 2 fewer attempts than Cade last year - 17-19
of course JJ has a ton more experience under his belt now
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Georgia is winning big again but with different traits (on3.com) (https://www.on3.com/teams/georgia-bulldogs/news/georgia-football-kirby-smart-winning-big-different-traits-college-football-playoff/?fbclid=IwAR3pWK1eGRm2NcrTSVjdgeX_DFOewpuCVYEx38JFZuiwyci4P-seXj6gWSI)
The team was never behind last year in the regular, this one was behind at Mizzou and in trouble in the fourth. The OOC slate last year was not as impressive, they beat Clemson close in Charlotte vs blowing out Oregon in Atlanta.
The SEC East was not as strong last season. They had Arky at home last year vs Miss State on the road.
The defense isn't as strong and lost one of their best players to injury but the secondary is probably better. The offense has not been as consistent, but there is no QB controversy as was the case last year.
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Christmas coming early for tOSU?
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If the top 3 all lose, the order might not change at all except OSU slides into 4?
If the top 2 lose, TCU goes to 1? UGA-UM get a rematch. I hope the Dawgs win obviously, an SEC title is a thing, and it secures another game "at home" ...
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If the top 3 all lose, the order might not change at all except OSU slides into 4?
If the top 2 lose, TCU goes to 1? UGA-UM get a rematch. I hope the Dawgs win obviously, an SEC title is a thing, and it secures another game "at home" ...
If TCU loses they will drop out and Alabama will jump in
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I hear a lot of experts claiming TCU is in barring a blow out loss.
The Bama-Tenn comparison is interesting, to me, if it comes to that.
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If TCU loses they will drop out and Alabama will jump in
Not so fast.
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I hear a lot of experts claiming TCU is in barring a blow out loss.
The Bama-Tenn comparison is interesting, to me, if it comes to that.
are these "experts" on the committee?
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Not so fast.
relax OSU is in also
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are these "experts" on the committee?
Of course not, but they are "expert" experts on ESPN and the like ....:)
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I hear a lot of experts claiming TCU is in barring a blow out loss.
The Bama-Tenn comparison is interesting, to me, if it comes to that.
dont agree nobody wants TCU to trash up the joint
If they lose they are gone
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Not so fast.
Ohio State is already in with the USC loss.
A TCU loss puts Alabama in play, and I don't think you can ever underestimate the selection committee's ability to ignore Alabama losses.
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Chris ‘The Bear’ Fallica blasts talk of Alabama making College Football Playoff as ‘pure nonsense' (saturdaydownsouth.com) (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/chris-the-bear-fallica-blasts-talk-of-alabama-making-college-football-playoff-as-pure-nonsense/?fbclid=IwAR0QqI_-ORdQVRUvdP2hmPcDddKACtOofaAXdQkNC-_eIRuOEGxT69wOvXA)
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Chris ‘The Bear’ Fallica blasts talk of Alabama making College Football Playoff as ‘pure nonsense' (saturdaydownsouth.com) (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/chris-the-bear-fallica-blasts-talk-of-alabama-making-college-football-playoff-as-pure-nonsense/?fbclid=IwAR0QqI_-ORdQVRUvdP2hmPcDddKACtOofaAXdQkNC-_eIRuOEGxT69wOvXA)
well if Chris the bear said it it must be true
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they really should put the bear on the committee
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relax OSU is in also
I am relaxed. Alabama is out. I am extremely confident about that. So are virtually EVERY CFB on FOX and ESPN.
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I am relaxed. Alabama is out. I am extremely confident about that. So are virtually EVERY CFB on FOX and ESPN.
never under estimate the power of the Tide
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Christmas coming early for tOSU?
Might be halloween all over again there may be passing out but it won't be of candy
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dont agree nobody wants TCU to trash up the joint
If they lose they are gone
Repeatedly being wrong is still....wrong.
This isn't some G5 program trying to get a seat at the table. TCU has a tougher SOS than the teams around them in the rankings and would have 1 fewer loss than Bama.
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It’s an opinion
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1997 pretend 12-team playoff:
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8 Washington State vs
9 Ohio State................winner vs 1 Michigan
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5 UCLA vs
12 Syracuse................winner vs 4 Florida State
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6 Florida vs
11 Penn State..............winner vs 3 Tennessee
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7 North Carolina vs
10 Kansas State...........winner vs 2 Nebraska
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Big East champs Syracuse had 3 losses.
6 seed Florida actually beat both its 1st and 2nd round opponents in reality.
1 seed UM beat either team it would face in 2nd round.
UNC-KSU game might be first-to-10 points wins.
3 and 4 seeds' only losses were to Florida.
First team left out of playoff: 12-ranked Georgia
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It’s an opinion
Yes, and we should respect all opinions....even the ones that go against all available data.
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Repeatedly being wrong is still....wrong.
This isn't some G5 program trying to get a seat at the table. TCU has a tougher SOS than the teams around them in the rankings and would have 1 fewer loss than Bama.
SOS
Colorado
Tarleton
SMU
Sooners
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SOS
Utah State
La-Monroe
Vanderbilt
Texas A&M
Austin Peay
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A&M sucked
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Exactly.
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1973 Fictional 12-team playoff. Why 1973? It was the ultimate 'blue-blood' season - 7 of them finished the regular season with 0 or 1 loss.
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9 UCLA @ 8 Texas......................winner vs 1 Alabama
12 Nebraska @ 5 ND...................winner vs 4 USC
11 Texas Tech @ 6 Michigan.........winner vs 3 Ohio St
10 Arizona St @ 7 Penn St..........winner vs 2 Oklahoma
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conf champs in bold
OSU and UM tied in final regular season game, OSU voted B1G champs
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Yes, and we should respect all opinions....even the ones that go against all available data.
He is entitled to his opinion, you are entitled to state yours and back it up if you wish.
This isn't something completely quantitative, it's judgment, which means opinions can and will vary.
I should note that English is my first language.
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Trivia question: Who was the last national champ to NOT win one of the 4 major bowls (Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, Rose) in their NC season?
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BYU
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Holiday vs 6-6 Michigan
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Nope
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BYU
Nope
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the last..
OK
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Trivia question: Who was the last national champ to NOT win one of the 4 major bowls (Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, Rose) in their NC season?
Cotton was a major long before the Fiesta.
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Cotton was a major long before the Fiesta.
By his definition I think it is Notre Dame in 199something
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And you don't have to go back that far for the Cotton to be included here.
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By his definition I think it is Notre Dame in 199something
No NC won the Cotton in the 90s....
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And you don't have to go back that far for the Cotton to be included here.
You mentioned 4 major bowls. There are 5. My only point.
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Yay, let's go off-topic here.
The Cotton Bowl was a major, yes. But for the timetable of the trivia question, the Cotton is irrelevant.
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Georgia
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Yay, let's go off-topic here.
The Cotton Bowl was a major, yes. But for the timetable of the trivia question, the Cotton is irrelevant.
No need to get your panties in a twist just because you mis-worded the question. If you'd said "these 4 major bowls" and listed them, it would have been fine.
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If the Bluebonnet Bowl was the #1 most prestigious bowl in 1940, but the trivia question has to do with the 70s, then why bring up the Bluebonnet Bowl????
I'm getting tired of people wigging out about the irrelevant.
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Georgia
Aha! An actual valid response requiring me to be more specific. Good on you!
Technically, you're right.
So let me add, NCGs not included.
Thank you for that.
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Trivia question: Who was the last national champ to NOT win one of the 4 major bowls (Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, Rose) or a "NCG" in their NC season?
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We counting GT in the coaches poll in 90?
If not, gotta be BYU in 84.
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We counting GT in the coaches poll in 90?
If not, gotta be BYU in 84.
Correct! The split NC won the Citrus bowl that year.
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The Cotton Bowl has had several
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So, 3 and 4 go down, probably a new thing.
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I'm getting tired of people wigging out about the irrelevant.
The only person wigging out here is you. As per usual.
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No, you pull up some BS complaint and then won't let it go.
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The Cotton Bowl has had several
If it was between 1990 and 2021, let us know. THANKS!
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No, you pull up some BS complaint and then won't let it go.
Settle down, Karen.
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I blame the refs.
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Settle down, Karen.
Calmer than you are.
(https://i.imgur.com/231mohc.jpg)
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Two point play?
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I guess I can relax a bit?
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Why were you ever stressed?
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I am Larry Munson stressed ...
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12-team playoff for 1990:
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9 Houston @ 8 Penn St.....................winner vs 1 Colorado
12 BYU @ 5 Miami...........................winner vs 4 Washington
11 Iowa @ 6 Notre Dame.................winner vs 3 Texas
10 Tennnessee @ 7 Florida St.............winner vs 2 Ga Tech
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Lots of independents back then, moving 8th-ranked UW up to the last bye spot.
Iowa was part of a 4-way tie for B1G title, I picked them because they were the RB participant.
Tennessee had 2 losses and 2 ties.
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1973 Fictional 12-team playoff. Why 1973? It was the ultimate 'blue-blood' season - 7 of them finished the regular season with 0 or 1 loss.
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9 UCLA @ 8 Texas......................winner vs 1 Alabama
12 Nebraska @ 5 ND...................winner vs 4 USC
11 Texas Tech @ 6 Michigan.........winner vs 3 Ohio St
10 Arizona St @ 7 Penn St..........winner vs 2 Oklahoma
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conf champs in bold
OSU and UM tied in final regular season game, OSU voted B1G champs
would have been some great matchups
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https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1599541366895222785?t=oCGOff27hv6Q7XO3-HAcOg&s=19
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I'm glad that OSU got to be represented by Amanda Seyfried's character.
They definitely won that meme.
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That Michigan chick is the hottest by far. She just does those crap Hallmark movies, but she's perfect.
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I mean, when the ugliest chick at the table is either Rachel McAdams or Lindsay Lohan in her prime, I'd say we're ALL winners.
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I mean, when the ugliest chick at the table is either Rachel McAdams or Lindsay Lohan in her prime, I'd say we're ALL winners.
facts lol
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I mean, when the ugliest chick at the table is either Rachel McAdams or Lindsay Lohan in her prime, I'd say we're ALL winners.
bingo. we're usually dealing with something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jLDZjMF3tk
not bad, but still...