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Title: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2022, 01:54:11 PM
Michigan opens in Vegas as a 16.5 point favorite. SP+ has Michigan as a 24 point favorite.

Hopefully Mike Morris and Blake Corum will be back in time. Both remain to be seen.

This game kind of scares me. Especially if Michigan get overconfident and thinks they're already in the playoff no matter what.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2022, 04:04:29 PM
There could always be a good ole fashioned Spoilermaker. 

Barring some sort of hexy Purdue magic of the like, probably a blowout. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 27, 2022, 05:21:28 PM
O’Connell is a very good QB.  Michigan needs to keep him off the field and pressure him when he’s on it.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: WhiskeyM on November 27, 2022, 06:26:01 PM
Just happy to be here.  Thanks guys.

:singing:
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2022, 06:34:29 PM
O’Connell is a very good QB.  Michigan needs to keep him off the field and pressure him when he’s on it.
wonder how Corum's knee and Edwards' right hand will be in a week. would be nice if Corum can actually cut and Edwards doesn't have to wear a cast on his right hand.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 27, 2022, 07:06:55 PM
better to get them ready for Georgia
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 28, 2022, 08:54:23 AM
wonder how Corum's knee and Edwards' right hand will be in a week. would be nice if Corum can actually cut and Edwards doesn't have to wear a cast on his right hand.

It would be nice if Corum is back but I think Michigan needs DE Morris back more.  Kind of amazing Michigan beat the Buckeye's in Columbus with their best player on offense and on defense out.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 28, 2022, 11:21:44 AM
Michigan opens in Vegas as a 16.5 point favorite. SP+ has Michigan as a 24 point favorite.

Hopefully Mike Morris and Blake Corum will be back in time. Both remain to be seen.

This game kind of scares me. Especially if Michigan get overconfident and thinks they're already in the playoff no matter what.
There is no "thinking" about it, they are.  For Michigan this game is only about seeding and even there I'm not sure that it matters.  

First, Ohio State is 11-1 and will likely be ranked #5 by the CFP.  Michigan isn't falling below the Buckeyes even if they lose so they are absolutely in regardless of the outcome of this game.  

Purdue has a lot more on the line because with a win they go to the Rose Bowl as League Champions for the first time in a LONG time.  With a loss they drop a lot.  

As far as CFP seeding:
How much difference does it make?  Well the difference between #2 and #3 is only jersey color so who cares.  

This game matters IF UGA loses but that is highly unlikely.  Also, even there depending on who #4 is it is entirely possible that Michigan would be better off at #2 facing TCU than at #1 facing USC.  

If Michigan loses this game they more than likely simply drop from #2 to #3 and end up in the same game but with different colored jerseys.  

Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 01, 2022, 11:33:34 AM
Looks like Michigan DT Mazi Smith will be out for the Big Ten championship game.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2022/12/01/michigan-wolverines-mazi-smith-charged-with-carrying-concealed-weapon/69692002007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2022/12/01/michigan-wolverines-mazi-smith-charged-with-carrying-concealed-weapon/69692002007/)
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2022, 11:41:09 AM
Looks like Michigan DT Mazi Smith will be out for the Big Ten championship game.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2022/12/01/michigan-wolverines-mazi-smith-charged-with-carrying-concealed-weapon/69692002007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2022/12/01/michigan-wolverines-mazi-smith-charged-with-carrying-concealed-weapon/69692002007/)
yikes. they need him BAD if they are going to make a serious playoff run. wtf is it with damn athletes and rappers with guns. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2022, 11:44:53 AM
some athletes think rappers with guns are cool

they're not
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2022, 11:46:55 AM
This game matters IF UGA loses but that is highly unlikely.  Also, even there depending on who #4 is it is entirely possible that Michigan would be better off at #2 facing TCU than at #1 facing USC. 
UGA also is a 16.5 point favorite ...

USC looks scary to me.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2022, 11:51:21 AM
UGA also is a 16.5 point favorite ...

USC looks scary to me.
I feel like TCU is probably the more scary team. They are more well rounded.

USC's defense is BAD bad. That team is basically a one man show. Caleb Williams. UGA slows him down they win the game going away. TCU has more ways to beat you and while they don't play elite defense they do at least play some defense- and USC well they play NO defense.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2022, 11:53:06 AM
TCU also has the advantage of being named TCU.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2022, 12:01:20 PM
they have God on their side
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 12:05:46 PM
So he played in how many games since the charges?

Yet every MSU player, including those who weren't charged with anything, and all but one were charged with misdemeanors have been suspended since the next day.

Nice double standard
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 01, 2022, 12:26:57 PM
I think I'll wait until I hear the details before I try to make some kind of moral equivalence argument with what Sparty did in Michigan's tunnel.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 12:37:46 PM
I think I'll wait until I hear the details before I try to make some kind of moral equivalence argument with what Sparty did in Michigan's tunnel.
You mean before you say Michigan has a thug culture?
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 01, 2022, 12:44:48 PM
Looks like Michigan DT Mazi Smith will be out for the Big Ten championship game.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2022/12/01/michigan-wolverines-mazi-smith-charged-with-carrying-concealed-weapon/69692002007/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2022/12/01/michigan-wolverines-mazi-smith-charged-with-carrying-concealed-weapon/69692002007/)
How do figure he will be out?   This happened on October 7th.   Interesting timing.   
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 01, 2022, 12:47:35 PM
How do figure he will be out?  This happened on October 7th.  Interesting timing. 
Don't know, just a guess from an optics point of view.  Apparently he was not arrested at the time.  Timing makes it very puzzling. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 01:21:07 PM
Warde and Harbaugh confirm that they trust Mazi and he'll be allowed to play...after demanding in a press conference that every MSU player be charged.

I wonder if Warde did clarify that Mazi wil not be able to borrow his car to drive drunk, crash it, and give the cops a fake name, with zero questions asked, as Michigan captains are typically allowed to under his watch.  It sure seems like the point of the Ann Arbor police force is to take care of Michigan athletics
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 01, 2022, 01:26:06 PM
Detroit News updated it's story...

"We are aware of the charge against Mazi from a traffic stop back in October," Michigan athletic director Warde Manuel said in a statement Thursday. "Mazi was honest, forthcoming and cooperative from the very beginning and is a tremendous young man. He is not and never has been considered a threat to the University or community.

"Based on the information communicated to us, we will continue to allow the judicial process to play out. Mazi will continue to participate as a member of the team."



Having read that I'm guessing little to nothing will come of the charge.  Now go make O'Connell's life Hell for 60 minutes.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 01:28:50 PM
Detroit News updated it's story...

"We are aware of the charge against Mazi from a traffic stop back in October," Michigan athletic director Warde Manuel said in a statement Thursday. "Mazi was honest, forthcoming and cooperative from the very beginning and is a tremendous young man. He is not and never has been considered a threat to the University or community.

"Based on the information communicated to us, we will continue to allow the judicial process to play out. Mazi will continue to participate as a member of the team."



Having read that I'm guessing little to nothing will comes of the charge. 
So your take is players with pending felony charges should play until everything plays out?  Woudn't be the first Michigan football star to have a gun charge dropped in recent memory.  I'm sure the Detroit media will make sure its framed correctly
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 01, 2022, 01:31:10 PM
Warde and Harbaugh confirm that they trust Mazi and he'll be allowed to play...after demanding in a press conference that every MSU player be charged.

I wonder if Warde did clarify that Mazi wil not be able to borrow his car to drive drunk, crash it, and give the cops a fake name, with zero questions asked, as Michigan captains are typically allowed to under his watch.  It sure seems like the point of the Ann Arbor police force is to take care of Michigan athletics
Maybe if Mazi gave someone a concussion or beat someone with it he'd have been suspended?
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 01:34:39 PM
As I've posted many times here before, in fifth grade our DARE officer told us, in a 1993 "boys will be boys" laugh it off story, that any AA officer who picked up a football player was supposed to take them to Bo's house, and not book them.

It's clear nothing has changed in 30 years.

At least I know any fake high ground Michigan ever claimed is 100% gone.  UM felony charge = let the system play out.  MSU misdemeanor charge = suspended indefinitely.

At least one program has accountability.  Although in fairness, maybe Mazi gave the cop a fake name, because, again, Ann Arbor police have proven that is how you get out of any trouble as a UM athlete.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 01, 2022, 01:38:09 PM
I think you have to look at what actually happened and not the citation code words felony and misdemeanor before you jump off a cliff.  
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: SuperMario on December 01, 2022, 01:38:12 PM
Weird comparison to the MSU situation. Those guys were caught on video swinging helmets and trying to stomp on guys and was a National story.

We actually know zero details here. Did he have a firearm under a seat in his car? Was it his car? Was he walking around with a firearm concealed?

He could very well be in the wrong, but we don’t even know the story yet.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 01, 2022, 01:41:11 PM
Historically, Ann Arbor police have been quite adverse to Michigan athletes.  If this happened to one of Dantonio's thugs the East Lansing police probably would have loaded and test fired the pistol for them. /s
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 01:45:34 PM
Those guys were caught on video swinging helmets and trying to stomp on guys and was a National story.


That guy was caught swinging his helmet.  And he was charged with a felony.  Then also ask why it was a national story.  Remember the whole ESPN MSU Title 9 story started because ESPN FOIAd a bunch of schools, and MSU was the only one to decline, so ESPN fought them on it.  Eventually it came out, and MSU was on par with normal prosecution rates, and actually prosecuted athletes at a higher rate.  But the schools requested were MSU, not Michigan; Oklahoma State, not Oklahoma; Texas Tech, not Texas.

Then ask why Michigan stars keep getting sweetheart deals by local prosecution?  Savit should resign, but he won't
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 01:45:58 PM
Historically, Ann Arbor police have been quite adverse to Michigan athletes.  If this happened to one of Dantonio's thugs the East Lansing police probably would have loaded and test fired the pistol for them. /s
Thugs again?  Another big yikes
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 02:13:40 PM
Also (i) why was the car pulled over; and (ii) why was it searched?

Either these charges seem legit, and the persecutors office is looking bad; or this is some racist police bullshit, and the Ann Arbor police officers again look bad
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on December 01, 2022, 02:16:08 PM
Purdue is getting it done in football and basketball.  Great job, Boilers...
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 02:18:53 PM
Purdue is getting it done in football and basketball.  Great job, Boilers...
Helmet school :57:

(https://i.imgur.com/vyJVCui.jpg)
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2022, 02:24:32 PM
hey guys can we get back to talking about the game and not speculating on a case that we don't know the details yet and comparing alleged crimes committed by MSU/Michigan players? 

there is a lot we still don't know yet. some "insiders" over on the michigan boards are claiming Mazi's concealed carry permit expired and he has since renewed it. i don't know what happened but i am not going to crucify the 20 year old kid. let's wait to find out more before we go that route maybe. 

my position remains this: if you're a high profile athlete in college or pros, you probably shouldn't be carrying guns period or out late. especially if you're a pro and you've got millions. hire security and when you have that kinda money you can have anything brought to you- you don't need to be out late to get anything weather it be food, drugs, alcohol, girls....that stuff can be brought to your house. like cris carter said....when you're rich...get a fall guy. he caught flack for that- but he was on point. gotta be smart. like it or not- if you are a high profile athlete you are a target.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: SuperMario on December 01, 2022, 03:07:04 PM
Then ask why Michigan stars keep getting sweetheart deals by local prosecution?  
I agree with MDOT here, but this statement just seems off. Which Michigan stars have gotten sweetheart deals? I may live under a rock, but is this a common thing?
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 03:14:27 PM
I agree with MDOT here, but this statement just seems off. Which Michigan stars have gotten sweetheart deals? I may live under a rock, but is this a common thing?
Second straight weapons charge that was swept under the rug.  But fine, lets not talk about it.  I moved on already, I already responded to the previous Purdue comment.  It way easier to talk about football.  Not like any UM fan would talk about "thug culture"
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: WhiskeyM on December 01, 2022, 03:17:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1598397831525662734?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 03:18:03 PM
Corum done

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1598397831525662734?s=20&t=mKdJ_PJ4qBw35OQCdKHGcQ
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 03:20:41 PM
Corum done

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1598397831525662734?s=20&t=mKdJ_PJ4qBw35OQCdKHGcQ
He's very good, but IMO, Edwards is better, and Corum is a good RB made great by the OL. Edwards has never had to carry the whole workload, so that would be my only hesitation, but I think he's the best running back Michigan has had since Wheatley. Better than Biakabatuka, Perry or Hart
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 01, 2022, 03:27:38 PM
hey guys can we get back to talking about the game and not speculating on a case that we don't know the details yet and comparing alleged crimes committed by MSU/Michigan players?

there is a lot we still don't know yet. some "insiders" over on the michigan boards are claiming Mazi's concealed carry permit expired and he has since renewed it. i don't know what happened but i am not going to crucify the 20 year old kid. let's wait to find out more before we go that route maybe.

my position remains this: if you're a high profile athlete in college or pros, you probably shouldn't be carrying guns period or out late. especially if you're a pro and you've got millions. hire security and when you have that kinda money you can have anything brought to you- you don't need to be out late to get anything weather it be food, drugs, alcohol, girls....that stuff can be brought to your house. like cris carter said....when you're rich...get a fall guy. he caught flack for that- but he was on point. gotta be smart. like it or not- if you are a high profile athlete you are a target.
Have the gun laws in Michigan changed since I left there in 2016?    Back then you could not even get that permit until you were 18 years old, and it was good for 5 years.  Isn’t Mazi Smith 21?

It is curious why he is being charged with a FELONY on November 30th for an offense that happened on October 7. 

The statement by Warde Manuel is humorous.
“He is not a danger”.    Is that the standard?
 
ELA is so correct about the double standard. From the striking of another coach by Zjuan Howard to this, UM and many of their fans- their hypocrisy knows no bounds. 

They are all over their blogs and forums defending all off this vehemently.  And we know from experience that if this happened at Michigan State Ohio State, they would be apoplectic. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: SuperMario on December 01, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Second straight weapons charge that was swept under the rug.  But fine, lets not talk about it.  I moved on already, I already responded to the previous Purdue comment.  It way easier to talk about football.  Not like any UM fan would talk about "thug culture"
Maybe it’s your approach and consistent bad mouthing of a Michigan fan.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2022, 04:28:15 PM
Corum done

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1598397831525662734?s=20&t=mKdJ_PJ4qBw35OQCdKHGcQ
Yeah how would that doofus Ian Rapport know this? He covers the NFL, has zero connections to Michigan or Harbaugh, and Harbaugh and his staff don’t talk. 

What knee surgery would Corum need to have if it wasn’t an acl? 

I just have questions about this. I’ll wait to hear from a legit Michigan source before I buy into anything that doofus says.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2022, 04:28:44 PM

there is a lot we still don't know yet. some "insiders" over on the michigan boards are claiming Mazi's concealed carry permit expired and he has since renewed it. i don't know what happened but i am not going to crucify the 20 year old kid. let's wait to find out more before we go that route maybe.

Why does a guy that size have to carry anyway.Unless you are in seedy areas of of inner cities then that's some stoopid shyt
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2022, 04:29:29 PM
He's very good, but IMO, Edwards is better, and Corum is a good RB made great by the OL. Edwards has never had to carry the whole workload, so that would be my only hesitation, but I think he's the best running back Michigan has had since Wheatley. Better than Biakabatuka, Perry or Hart
We’ve both been saying this for awhile. Edwards is a SPECIAL talent at RB. Like, I could see him going 1st rd. Corum is really good, but he’s not 1st rd good. Probably more like 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2022, 04:34:58 PM
Maybe if Mazi gave someone a concussion or beat someone with it he'd have been suspended?
You mean a guy who played the following week? Same guy who followed MSU to the door dropping F-Bombs,ya know before U of M recording stopped.Then miraculously came back on when Spartans were swinging
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2022, 04:35:57 PM
Ok nvm. Sam Webb has confirmed the Corum report. Leak came from Corum’s agent to be. Corum apparently not happy. Looks like the guy he was gonna hire to be his agent may no longer get that job. 

Corum is done and off to the nfl.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2022, 04:37:03 PM
We’ve both been saying this for awhile. Edwards is a SPECIAL talent at RB. Like, I could see him going 1st rd. Corum is really good, but he’s not 1st rd good. Probably more like 2nd or 3rd.
I agree Edwards is,but dipshit day never kept 2 guys back on those runs,maddening.Did Edwards hurt his hand
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2022, 04:43:37 PM
Why does a guy that size have to carry anyway.Unless you are in seedy areas of of inner cities then that's some stoopid shyt
Good point. Mazi is like 6’3/6’4, 330. He could lift a grown man up and snap em in half with one arm. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 01, 2022, 05:03:29 PM
I won’t debate on who is better. Mostly because I don’t like debates that don’t have a correct answer. Both of those running backs are freaking awesome.

But I will say that Coram is going to be a really good back in the NFL because he has incredible balance, power, vision and breakaway speed

I am actually jealous. My team has not had a healthy running back virtually all season.  In the most important game of the year,  We gave 19 carries to a decent player but he was playing linebacker three weeks ago🥴

Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: grillrat on December 01, 2022, 05:18:54 PM
I just hope that the kids in the Michigan locker room are going through similar arguments like the posters here.




All the while, Purdue keeps practicing, preparing....
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 01, 2022, 06:30:11 PM
Anybody going?  I may hang w some folks downtown Saturday. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: WhiskeyM on December 01, 2022, 06:33:14 PM
Except Aidan O'Connell.  He hasn't been with the team this week as he's taking care of personal matters related to his brothers death.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 06:51:57 PM
Maybe it’s your approach and consistent bad mouthing of a Michigan fan.
He's the one who said MSU had a thug culture.  I said that was in poor taste and asked him if he applied it to his own school
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 01, 2022, 07:13:16 PM
Purdue has a lot more on the line because with a win they go to the Rose Bowl as League Champions for the first time in a LONG time.  With a loss they drop a lot.
The Rose Bowl gets to choose who plays from the Big Ten if a Big Ten team is in the FBS playoff, and it is widely thought they are leaning on selecting Penn State. It appears Michigan is poised to be in the playoff regardless whether they win. If the Rose Bowl selects Penn State, Ohio State goes to the Orange Bowl assuming Ohio State is not in the FBS playoff.
ESPN analytics favor Utah over USC. There is reason for Ohio State fans to be hopeful.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 07:20:30 PM
We’ve both been saying this for awhile. Edwards is a SPECIAL talent at RB. Like, I could see him going 1st rd. Corum is really good, but he’s not 1st rd good. Probably more like 2nd or 3rd.
As good a college back as he is, he's even better built for the NFL. He's a better pass catching Alvin Kamara, or a bigger Darren Sproles
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 01, 2022, 08:04:11 PM
The Rose Bowl gets to choose who plays from the Big Ten team is in the FBS playoff, and it is widely thought they are leaning on selecting Penn State. It appears Michigan is poised to be in the playoff regardless whether they win. If the Rose Bowl selects Penn State, Ohio State goes to the Orange Bowl assuming Ohio State is not in the FBS playoff.
ESPN analytics favor Utah over USC. There is reason for Ohio State fans to be hopeful.
Ohio State has openly asked the Rose Bowl to choose PSU.  They have been there 3 times in 5 years and are not confident about ticket sales. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2022, 09:18:29 PM
My team has not had a healthy running back virtually all season.  In the most important game of the year,  We gave 19 carries to a decent player but he was playing linebacker three weeks ago🥴

Dallan Hayden as Fr could have got more snaps.Hits the hole finds the crease and follows the blocks.Had 147 the week before nothing wrong with giving Trayanum or Xav Johnson the rock but he clearly added another dimension.Problem is as I understand it losing the 2 Joneses  & Johnson and I forget who else off of the o-line he might have to wait another yr to blossom
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 09:43:01 PM
Ohio State has openly asked the Rose Bowl to choose PSU.  They have been there 3 times in 5 years and are not confident about ticket sales. 
I don't think they are allowed to.  And why would Penn State fans care any more?  
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2022, 09:44:59 PM
specifically PSU or would the bucks also be fine with Purdue taking the spot
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 09:57:24 PM
specifically PSU or would the bucks also be fine with Purdue taking the spot
I think Purdue fans would be in if they got there by beating Michigan.  Sort of like Utah last year.  In the CFP era, I don't think anyone cares about getting there otherwise.  Like if MSU had gone to the Rose instead of the Peach last year, as their NY6 Bowl, I don't think MSU fans would have travelled again.  I think a Big Ten champ, other than maybe Ohio State, still would travel well
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2022, 10:02:29 PM
Ohio State has openly asked the Rose Bowl to choose PSU.  
just think the wording seems odd
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 10:05:29 PM
Also, that's why I sort of like the unseeded semifinals, where it's a 5-1-2 format, but the Big Ten-Pac 12 champs always meet in the Rose, and then the SEC to the Sugar, Big XII to the Fiesta, and ACC to the Orange, with those allotted by seeding, and then seed the Final 4.

So you'd have an 8 team playoff (assuming favorites win) of

SUGAR - #1 Georgia vs. #18 Tulane
ROSE - #2 Michigan vs. #4 USC
FIESTA - #3 TCU vs. #7 Tennessee
ORANGE - #5 Ohio State vs. #9 Clemson

There would be obvious backlash, namely due to OSU getting the easier opponent, but if you put those 4 games on NYD, it would preserve the major bowl ties,.and keep those games big, while making NYD arguably as big as ever
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2022, 10:23:23 PM
it would be WAY better than the 12 they're aiming for
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2022, 10:29:53 PM
it would be WAY better than the 12 they're aiming for
I don't like 4, but I hate the way they chose to go to 12 even more.  I like the 5-2-1 model I proposed above, but I think I like the 10-2, with home games even more, because it gives meaning to all of the conference championships, but in all reality, those teams are just going to get crushed anyway, so it's essentially an 8 team playoff, but the 5-8 seeds have to swat away some pests at home
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 02, 2022, 12:54:55 AM
I keep hearing how there's a healthy contingent of those involved in how this 12 team comes together that are going to work hard to kill off any 'home games'.       that ain't cool but I can see how that will happen, no different than Pac scrapping a home ccg.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 02, 2022, 01:21:53 AM
Ohio State has openly asked the Rose Bowl to choose PSU.  They have been there 3 times in 5 years and are not confident about ticket sales. 
Then the feelings the Rose Bowl has, and Ohio State football has, are mutual. I would rate the probability of the Buckeyes getting in the playoff at about 40%. USC and TCU are at risk of going down this weekend.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2022, 02:46:51 AM
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1598419478853095424?s=20&t=Ewo1mDzPvMEETUtUeFdU7g

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1598408341650214912?s=20&t=NkrsCM8J60yyFPfk1QN3pw
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 02, 2022, 06:30:13 AM
I don't think they are allowed to.  And why would Penn State fans care any
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ohio-state-reportedly-requested-to-not-be-selected-for-rose-bowl/ar-AA14LImy
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 02, 2022, 06:53:22 AM
Makes me wonder if not the Rose Bowl, where does Ohio State want to end up besides the playoff? 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 02, 2022, 06:58:00 AM
Makes me wonder if not the Rose Bowl, where does Ohio State want to end up besides the playoff?
Orange Bowl.  Versus ACC champ
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2022, 06:59:01 AM
Orange Bowl
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2022, 07:00:07 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ohio-state-reportedly-requested-to-not-be-selected-for-rose-bowl/ar-AA14LImy

"reportedly"
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 02, 2022, 07:30:00 AM
"reportedly"
I have seen it on a number of sights and read blog from OSU insiders. 

It also makes total sense.  Why would you doubt it?

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2022/11/135547/ohio-state-athletic-department-pushing-for-orange-bowlif-no-playoff
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2022, 07:43:03 AM
I doubt any report with that term, or attributed to "anonymous officials".  They may be true, but often are not, or are out of context, or somehow flawed in other respects.

And of course once a report appears once, it gets picked up by many other sites and repeated.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2022, 07:49:20 AM
I think I'll wait until I hear the details before I try to make some kind of moral equivalence argument with what Sparty did in Michigan's tunnel.
I'd much rather discuss footbal but C'mon knock off the sanctimonius smack - 3 fights in a year there and one common denominator - Michigan mixing it up with opponents. You obviously didn't see the video with Greene and his helmet in his hand M***** F****** Spartans right up to their locker room door.Then the video goes off and mysteriously comes back on when the Spartans are retaliating. Gemon Green was assaulted so badly he played the next week. Michigan threatening libel the whole time their Administration knew about UZI Mazi Smith,just stop.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2022, 07:52:08 AM
I think Michigan beats Purdue handily, 37-16.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2022, 08:51:05 AM
I keep hearing how there's a healthy contingent of those involved in how this 12 team comes together that are going to work hard to kill off any 'home games'.      that ain't cool but I can see how that will happen, no different than Pac scrapping a home ccg.
why in the hell would they discourage attendance?
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2022, 08:55:24 AM
Commies
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2022, 09:37:22 AM
host cities are gonna have a say

are these all going to be "neutral" sites?

nothing on campus?

morons!!!
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2022, 09:47:48 AM
I suspect the home field thing will be retained (for a time anyway).  We could see some games played at fields like Wake Forest or Cincy in time.

It's interesting to note the top four would not get any shot at another home game.  It's also interesting to note if UGA wins tomorrow, they will get to play in the Georgia, er, MB, dome, down the road a bit, again.

Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2022, 09:56:46 AM
SEC SEC SEC
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 02, 2022, 10:30:51 AM
Michigan should win handily.  My hope is that no more injuries are sustained.  And I have a sliver of hope Corum makes it back for the bowl game.



Go Blue!
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 02, 2022, 11:51:50 AM
Orange Bowl.  Versus ACC champ
This.

Rose Bowl vs USC would be interesting for tOSU fans but that can't happen because if USC beats Utah they go to the CFP instead and if Utah beats USC then Utah would go to the Rose Bowl and Ohio State wouldn't be available anyway because they'd be in the CFP.

Orange Bowl vs ACC Champion Clemson is the most interesting non-CFP matchup for tOSU fans.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2022, 12:13:15 PM
Michigan should win handily.  My hope is that no more injuries are sustained.  And I have a sliver of hope Corum makes it back for the bowl game.



Go Blue!
depends on what kind of knee surgery it is. like if it's a mensiscus surgery pretty sure he could be back in 4-6 weeks. there has been no word on what the knee surgery is.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2022, 12:42:47 PM
The demand for 2022 Big Ten Championship Game tickets is higher than all years but one, per Vivid Seats:

1) The 2021 title game (Michigan vs Iowa)
2) The 2022 title game (Michigan vs Purdue)

Michigan fans travel well!
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2022, 01:14:13 PM
depends on what kind of knee surgery it is. like if it's a mensiscus surgery pretty sure he could be back in 4-6 weeks. there has been no word on what the knee surgery is.
Doubt the kid would risk it heading for the League and a big payday
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2022, 02:14:48 PM
Doubt the kid would risk it heading for the League and a big payday
yeah good point. he really doesn't have another reason to risk injury again and play even if he can. he's off to the nfl draft.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2022, 02:27:31 PM
and he's really not hurting the team with a more than adequate backup
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2022, 03:06:11 PM
The demand for 2022 Big Ten Championship Game tickets is higher than all years but one, per Vivid Seats:

1) The 2021 title game (Michigan vs Iowa)
2) The 2022 title game (Michigan vs Purdue)

Michigan fans travel well!
that is actually very surprising to me. I get last year, it was Michigan's first time making Indy. But this is year 2 in a row and it's not a "sexy" matchup with Purdue. If it was like a 10-11 win Wisconsin or Nebraska, could see that....but yeah this just a little odd. Wouldn't expect that.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2022, 03:09:44 PM
and he's really not hurting the team with a more than adequate backup
still would love to have Blake. He keeps the chains moving. Edwards is a FREAK though. He's a future 1st rd pick.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 02, 2022, 03:11:53 PM
that is actually very surprising to me. I get last year, it was Michigan's first time making Indy. But this is year 2 in a row and it's not a "sexy" matchup with Purdue. If it was like a 10-11 win Wisconsin or Nebraska, could see that....but yeah this just a little odd. Wouldn't expect that.
My guess is that most of the demand is from Purdue fans.

For Michigan fans this is an uninteresting matchup AND a repeat trip, AND they have bigger fish to fry with a CFP berth waiting even if they get upset.

For Purdue fans the situation is very different. This is their first-ever trip to the B1GCG and it could be literally the only opportunity Purdue fans ever have to watch their team in the B1GCG and Purdue is not far from Indy. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2022, 03:12:42 PM
As good a college back as he is, he's even better built for the NFL. He's a better pass catching Alvin Kamara, or a bigger Darren Sproles
that's a great comp- Kamara. Except he might be bigger, stronger, and even faster. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: ELA on December 02, 2022, 04:27:32 PM
#2 Michigan Wolverines (9-0, 12-0) vs. Purdue Boilermakers (6-3, 8-4)
8:00 - Indianapolis, IN - FOX
Michigan is almost certainly in the College Football Playoff with a loss.  Who would jump them?  Ohio State?  No shot.  But, Michigan would certainly prefer to postpone playing Georgia as long as possible.  Georgia looked pretty flat in a similar situation in the SEC Championship last year, but they didn't have the incentive of avoiding an opponent.  Purdue is obviously not a factor in the Playoff hunt, but for a good number of schools, a Big Ten title and a Rose Bowl still means a whole lot.  Michigan's offense certainly put up plenty of points last week, but is that the most repeatable format?  Michigan marched down the field in their first drive against Illinois, and then failed to score another touchdown.  11 of Michigan's 14 drives were 3 plays or less.  4 of those "drives" were touchdowns, 1 missed field goal, and 6 punts.  Obviously, if Purdue gives up 4 70+ yard touchdown plays, it's going to get ugly.  The question is what can Michigan's offense generate if it doesn't get those kinds of explosive plays.  I don't think it's a coincidence that has been simultaneous with Blake Corum's injury.  Against Illinois, Michigan was also without Donovan Edwards, and it was clear the dropoff to #3 and #4 was stark.  Donovan Edwards showed why he is such a freak, running for 216 yards, on 9.8 ypc, and 2 touchdowns.  160 yards and both touchdowns came on 2 carries in the 4th quarter.  Prior to those carries, he had 56 rushing yards on 2.8 ypc.  The overall numbers look good, and he's a better pass catcher the Corum, but the Wolverines' offense will look a lot smoother if those yards are a little bit more evenly distributed.  Purdue salvaged their conference title hopes by Aidan O'Connell having a great three week run to finish the season.  He threw 1 touchdown and 5 interceptions in back to back losses to Iowa and Wisconsin a month ago.  In the three games since he has thrown 7 touchdowns and just 1 interception.  Purdue goes as O'Connell goes.  They are 6-1 when he has a passer rating over 120.  2-3 when he doesn't.  Purdue has a well-earned moniker as the Spoilermakers, earning 9 wins as an unranked team over a top 2 team, in the history of the AP Poll.  No other school has more than 5.  While big upsets are part of college football, it's become clear in this era, that it tends to not be the case in CCGs or the CFP, when focus is at 100%
MICHIGAN 34, PURDUE 14

Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2022, 05:02:41 PM
Mike Sainistril might be my favorite player on that team....to switch to defense and play as well as he has immediately...insane...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqhIEyxEvMY
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 02, 2022, 06:18:47 PM
Prices coming down, especially upstairs.   Get in the door is about face at this point w some junk fees taking it over a little. Decent premium still for 200-400 level.  100 level has a few good buys but still pretty strong market.   I'll decide at last minute if I'll go.   Hanging with some Purdue people and a Michigan guy. 
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 03, 2022, 06:22:03 AM
I noticed SEC CG prices have crashed as well, last I saw down to $162 GITD.  They were over $400.
Title: Re: Purdue (6-3, 8-4) vs #2 Michigan (9-0, 12-0) Game Week Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2022, 08:58:15 AM
an hour before kickoff is your best time to buy