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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on November 20, 2022, 05:21:13 AM
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ACC:
Clemson and UNC have clinched and will meet in the ACCCG.
B12:
TCU has clinched. KSU is in the best position to be their opponent but Texas would win a tie with KSU so the Longhorns will go if they win (vs Baylor) and KSU loses (vs Kansas).
P12:
USC has clinched one spot. Oregon is in the best position to be USC's opponent. If the Ducks win, they go.
If Oregon loses (at OrSU) they'll finish 7-2. Two other teams could get to 7-2: Washington (if they win at WSU) and/or Utah (if they win at Colorado).
The P12's two-team tiebreaker is H2H and the Ducks beat the Utes and lost to the Huskies so they would win a tie with Utah or lose a tie with Washington.
Utah and Washington do not play this year so in the event of a three-way tie between Oregon, Washington, and Utah you would think that Washington would go based on a H2H2H of 1-0 as compared to Oregon's 1-1 and Utah's 0-1 but it is not that simple.
According to the PAC-12's website (https://pac-12.com/football/standings), H2H2H only applies if all tied teams played each other and in this case they didn't so we move to record against all common conference opponents.
If that doesn't solve it we move to record against highest placed common conference opponent, then the next, etc.
If that doesn't solve it we move to conference SoS followed by SportsSource Analytics ranking followed by coin toss.
SEC:
Georgia and LSU have clinched and will meet in the SECCG.
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Pac12 Tiebreaker:
NOTE: If someone could please google the tiebreaker and see if you get what I got, that would be great, thank you.
As stated above, USC has already clinched one spot. The other spot is Oregon's to lose. They are 7-1 with Washington and Utah trailing them at 6-2. Thus:
- If Oregon wins (@OrSU) there is no need for tiebreakers, they face USC in the PACCG.
- If Oregon (@OrSU), Utah (@Colorado), and Washington (@WSU) all lose there is no need for tiebreakers, Oregon faces USC in the PACCG.
However, if Oregon loses AND either Utah or Washington or both win, then there will be a tie. Here are the three potential ties:
- Oregon and Utah tie at 6-2: Oregon faces USC in the PACCG based on H2H win over Utah.
- Oregon and Washington tie at 6-2: Washington faces USC in the PACCG based on H2H win over Oregon.
- Oregon, Utah, and Washington all tie at 6-2: See below:
My understanding of what is posted on the PAC12 website is that multi-team tiebreakers are as follows:
First use H2H...2H but ONLY if all teams have played each other. They haven't because Utah and Washington do not play, thus move on.
Second use Win percentage among all common conference opponents. Here is what I get.
(https://i.imgur.com/NEoV3fE.png)
Note, this tie only happens if Oregon loses to OrSU, Utah beats Colorado, and Washington beats WSU so I have assumed those results above.
Third, record against the highest placed common opponent in the standings, then the next, etc. Here is where it starts to get interesting. Their best common opponents right now are OrSU and UCLA (both 5-3). As noted above, in order for this tie to happen OrSU has to beat Oregon and thus finish 6-3. If UCLA also wins (@CAL) then this step does not help because all three tied teams (Ore, Utah, UW) would be 1-1 against the common 6-3 opponents. However, if UCLA loses at Cal then Oregon State is the only 6-3 common opponent. Oregon is eliminated based on losing to them. Then it says "If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied."
So this third step is non-decisive if UCLA wins at Cal but if UCLA loses at Cal this step eliminates the Ducks and the Utes and Huskies revert to the two-team procedure (see below).
Fourth is combined win percentage in conference games of conference opponents (ie, strength of conference schedule). In order to get to this step all of the following would have to happen:
- OrSU beats Oregon
- Utah beats Colorado
- Washington beats WSU
- UCLA beats Cal
Thus, I have assumed all of the above in making this chart of their conference opponents' conference wins:
(https://i.imgur.com/IPpxlhS.png)
So Washington would be clearly out and Oregon can't catch Utah because the only PAC game that I haven't already assumed a winner for is ASU@Zona but Utah played both of them so they'd either win this 37-36 over Oregon (if ASU wins) or they'd win it 38-37 (if Zona wins). Thus, in a three way tie where UCLA beats Cal, Utah faces USC in the PAC12CG.
Now back to the two-team tiebreaker in the event that UCLA loses at Cal. Note from step-3 above that if UCLA loses at Cal then Oregon is eliminated leaving Utah and Washington to revert to the two-team tiebreaker:
- H2H which doesn't help here since UW and Utah do not play this year.
- Win % against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings. In this case that would be Oregon so Washington would face USC in the PAC12CG.
Summary:
- If Oregon wins (@OrSU) they face USC in the PAC12CG. (Oregon #2 outright)
- If Oregon, Washington, and Utah all lose, Oregon faces USC in the PAC12CG. (Oregon #2 outright)
- If Oregon and Washington both lose and Utah wins, Oregon faces USC in the PAC12CG. (Oregon over Utah based on H2H)
- If Oregon and Utah both lose and Washington wins, Washington faces USC in the PAC12CG. (Washington over Oregon based on H2H)
- If Oregon loses while Utah and Washington both win AND UCLA beats Cal, Utah faces USC in the PAC12CG. (Utah wins multi-team tiebreaker #4, SoS)
- If Oregon loses while Utah and Washington both win AND UCLA loses to Cal, Washington faces USC in the PAC12CG. (Oregon eliminated based on record against OrSU, Washington over Utah based on two-team tiebreaker #2, record against Oregon)
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Pac12 Tiebreaker:
NOTE: If someone could please google the tiebreaker and see if you get what I got, that would be great, thank you.
Anybody feel like taking this on?
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Not I, medina, you did a great job as usual, and I trust your guesses more than most people's facts.
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Not I, medina, you did a great job as usual, and I trust your guesses more than most people's facts.
LoL, thanks.