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Title: Iowa (5-3, 7-4) at Minnesota (4-4, 7-4) Post Game
Post by: Hawkinole on November 12, 2022, 11:32:05 PM
L-R: Halfback/Punter/DB/Drop Kicker Nile Kinnick, Floyd of Rosedale, and QB Erwin Prasse:
[img width=297.429 height=356.988]https://i.imgur.com/n8tKs4N.jpg[/img]
Credit: Iowa Libraries.

Before 1939 it was a rare accomplishment for Iowa to defeat Minnesota. In fact, before the 1939 game, Iowa lost the preceding 8-games in this series. The trophy, was commissioned in 1935, and was first won by these Hawkeyes, and their teammates, in 1939.


Results against common opponents in 2022:
(https://i.imgur.com/rTocaeF.png)



Ferentz vs. Fleck: 5-0

Write your analysis of this upcoming 2023 game on this thread.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 13, 2022, 12:41:48 AM
Best trophy of them all
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 08:48:51 AM
agreed

Iowa hog game is strong!
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2022, 12:26:11 PM
I'd like Farmageddon also if a certain band of bugeaters would keep up their end
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 12:35:15 PM
you can kiss my hind end
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2022, 01:27:47 PM
Thought the Buckeyes already did that? Oh KISS,thought you said kick
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2022, 01:37:59 PM
So FF should I ask you or 847 who's Big Red playing next saturday?
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 01:51:26 PM
Big Red is playing Wisconsin

Red is playing Nebraska
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2022, 01:58:00 PM
That's what he gets for not making that lake for you
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
another Dam on the Missouri River would do it
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: Hawkinole on November 13, 2022, 06:40:13 PM
Tanner Morgan was in street clothes for the Northwestern game after being injured in the 1st half against Nebraska. I was looking at the Iowa-Minnesota game being competitive with advantage Minnesota for three primary reasons: (1) Iowa's offense is horrible. (2) Minnesota's defense has been good, ranked 7th in YPG coming into Nov. 12. (3) It is a Minnesota home game. 
On the other hand: (1) Tanner Morgan was dressed in street clothes for the Northwestern game. (2) Iowa has won the past 5-games in the series. (3) A PJ Fleck coached team has not defeated Iowa. (4) Iowa usually plays better in November (currently harboring a 12-game November win streak). (5) If you look at the offense and defensive stats you would favor Minnesota, but Iowa's strength of schedule is 31 and Minnesota's is 72, so you cannot view the stats in isolation without considering who they played. (6) Iowa has performed better against common opponents. 
I am beginning to lean toward Iowa. This could come down to an untimely turnover, and a field goal; each team has an excellent kicker.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: LittlePig on November 14, 2022, 08:29:38 AM
This seems to be the next stop in the Kirk Ferentz STFU redemption tour.  While other schools were firing their head coaches and coordinaters and  benching their QB's in mid-season,  Kirk was insisting he had to change absolutely nothing and all they had to do was practice, practice, practice to get better.  There may be some merit to this, Kirk has not lost a game in November since 2019.  Which may be a sign that Iowa is built for games outdoors in the cold and the wind.

Of course it also helps to get Michigan and OSU behind you on the schedule, and it's still hard to explain just how bad the offense was the first 7 games of the season, and it's still debatable if the offense really has improved after only getting 146 yards against Wisc. 

So let's not get carried away here. Everybody knows if Iowa does not get any breaks (takeaways), they lose because the offense is not capable of consistently winning games for Iowa.  So I still rate this game a toss-up,  Minn might even have a slight edge because it's at Minn.  Nothing easy here.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 14, 2022, 09:58:57 AM
I don't think it's debatable  - the offense hasn't improved - 146 is not good
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: Benthere2 on November 14, 2022, 11:07:53 AM
this does not set up great for Minnesota outside of I dont think Iowa really likes playing in the temps that are coming this weekend in Minnesota

Minn at QB- decision do you give the ball to Tanner who might be accurate but cannot move well and cannot throw deep well. or to a freshman who will make mistakes and might give the ball away at times throughout the game?  
one Minnesota offense is one dimensional and the other could give the ball away more

leads me to bet on Iowa  albeit it is at Minnesota and the cold Will play a part of the game
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 14, 2022, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: Benthere2 on November 14, 2022, 11:07:53 AM
leads me to bet on Iowa  albeit it is at Minnesota and the cold Will play a part of the game
Not exactly toasty in Iowa - it's so bad they have the courses closed.I have that on good authority
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: LittlePig on November 14, 2022, 11:29:07 AM
Minnesota should have an option to move games in November to US Bank (Vikings) Stadium if the weather is awful.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 14, 2022, 11:32:22 AM
awful weather is football weather

fair weather fans can sell tickets or not buy tickets
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: GopherRock on November 14, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: LittlePig on November 14, 2022, 11:29:07 AM
Minnesota should have an option to move games in November to US Bank (Vikings) Stadium if the weather is awful.
No.

As for the game, it all boils down to two things: turnovers and kick coverage. Hold onto the ball and don't give Iowa short fields. And make Iowa go 80+ yards on every possession. 
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: Hawkinole on November 14, 2022, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: GopherRock on November 14, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Make Iowa go 80+ yards on every possession.
Our little secret incapability in the public domain, now. 
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 14, 2022, 05:50:34 PM
Coming off their third consecutive win to get to 6-4 overall, 4-3 in Big Ten conference play, the Hawkeyes received another bump in the USA TODAY Sports’ 1-131 re-rank. This week saw the Hawkeyes climb nine more spots up to No. 45 overall.

Iowa’s upcoming opponent, the Minnesota Golden Gophers, find themselves at 7-3 and also rising in the re-rank. The Gophers handled lowly Northwestern last week to get a small climb of four spots up to No. 49.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: Hawkinole on November 14, 2022, 05:50:50 PM
Quote from: Benthere2 on November 14, 2022, 11:07:53 AM
this does not set up great for Minnesota outside of I dont think Iowa really likes playing in the temps that are coming this weekend in Minnesota

Minn at QB- decision do you give the ball to Tanner who might be accurate but cannot move well and cannot throw deep well. or to a freshman who will make mistakes and might give the ball away at times throughout the game? 
one Minnesota offense is one dimensional and the other could give the ball away more

leads me to bet on Iowa  albeit it is at Minnesota and the cold Will play a part of the game
This is well-analyzed, except for the cold part. Iowa fans liked the Metrodome because it was tolerable to view the last game of the season, and there were enough tickets available to make it almost a home game. The players are indifferent. 

Is Tanner Morgan available this coming Saturday? If he is healthy I think it is an easy decision. I don't think PJ gives very much information on injuries. The only comment I read was Tanner Morgan had an undisclosed upper body injury. Some weeks ago he was in concussion protocol, so is it a shoulder, ribs, or head injury? Does anyone on here know?
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: Benthere2 on November 14, 2022, 07:40:54 PM
No I don’t think many know for sure outside of the team what injury Tanner has. 

My guess concussion from Nebraska and that was 2nd in 3 weeks 

Cold is cold but this will be a cold that will feel like single digits. Much worst for fans but players will feel it

Special Teams will be key


Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: GopherRock on November 15, 2022, 08:50:55 AM
Even if Tanner was available, and I don't think he is, I wouldn't send him out. Athan's moving ability means that the porous nature of the Gopher OL can at least be somewhat negated. Recall Tanner's last play in Lincoln was a 17 yard sack in which he turtled up and went backwards.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 15, 2022, 09:25:01 AM
Does TM have any more years left, or is he in his last year?
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: GopherRock on November 15, 2022, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 15, 2022, 09:25:01 AM
Does TM have any more years left, or is he in his last year?
This was his bonus COVID year. He's done after this fall.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2022, 10:16:52 AM
Why Iowa Will Win
And THAT’S the Iowa we all know and love.

So what that it only came up with 146 yards of total offense against Wisconsin? The D came up with three takeaways, the special teams cranked up a few big plays, and the front line was a wall against the run in the 24-10 win.

No, the O isn’t the Greatest Show on Turf like it was against Northwestern and Purdue – it came up with over 300 yards – but as long as it does everything else right all should be fine.

Stop the Minnesota running game, don’t get hit with a lot of flags, win the turnover battle. Iowa can do that against a team that has no problem grinding things down.

Keep the Gophers to under 170 rushing yards and it’ll be a win – they’re 1-3 when they don’t get to the mark and 6-0 when they do.

Michigan and Illinois are the only two teams that got past 130 against the Hawkeye D, but …


Why Minnesota Will Win
Back to doing just about everything right – at least outside of having a high end passing game – welcome to Minnesota.

The Gophers have come up with one touchdown pass in the last six games, but they’ve turned it over just twice in the last four games, penalties aren’t an issue, and the team continues to own third downs.

It’s No. 1 in the nation in third down O, No. 2 in third down D, and that’s why the team is second in the country behind Air Force in time of possession.

Basically, Minnesota should be able to out-Iowa, Iowa. As long as there aren’t a slew of turnovers, and as long as the field isn’t tilted the wrong way, the home team should be able to handle it.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 09:26:15 AM
IOWA CITY, Iowa -- Iowa and Iowa State will continue their annual football showdowns through at least 2027.

Athletic directors Gary Barta of Iowa and Jamie Pollard of Iowa State on Thursday announced the extension of the Cy-Hawk Series contract.

Iowa and Iowa State have played annually since resuming the series in 1977, excluding the pandemic-shortened 2020 season. The teams first met in 1894, with Iowa holding a 46-23 advantage in the series. Iowa State won 10-7 in Iowa City in September.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 01:19:18 PM
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Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: ELA on November 18, 2022, 01:21:18 PM

GAME OF THE WEEK
Iowa Hawkeyes (4-3, 6-4) at Minnesota Golden Gophers (4-3, 7-3)
4:00 - Minneapolis, MN - FOX
While it's true that no Big Ten West team controls its destiny fully, that is also allowing for an Illinois upset of Michigan.  While its college football and crazy things happen, I don't see Illinois ending a 2 game losing streak, where they lost back to back home games to Michigan State and Purdue, by winning on the road in Ann Arbor.  The last time Michigan lost a non-COVID year home game to anyone other than Ohio State was to Michigan State in 2017.  Their last home loss to a Big Ten West team?  The 2014 Shane Morris concussion game loss to Minnesota that got the ball rolling down hill towards Brady Hoke's firing.  We aren't here to talk about Michigan-Illinois.  The point is, assuming Michigan wins that game, then Iowa is the team that controls their own destiny.  That starts by winning their 8th straight game in a rivalry that the Hawkeyes have dominated recently.  A win here would make this a tie for the 2nd longest winning streak by either school in the series, tying Minnesota's run from 1931-1938, behind only Minnesota's 12 game winning streak to start the series, from 1891-1916.  The point is, nobody remembers the series ever being as one sided as its been recently in favor of Kirk Ferentz.  Minnesota's chances might depend on the health of Tanner Morgan.  After Athan Kaliakmanis came in and led a comeback against Nebraska two weeks ago, there was a lot of clamoring for him to get the keys to finish the season.  While Minnesota pounded Northwestern, Kaliakmanis completed only 7 passes, and was held to just 92 yards of total offense.  While Iowa isn't going to run away from anyone, you cant rely on running the ball nearly 60 times at 5.2 ypc.  There has to be at least some balance.  Assuming Morgan can play, Minnesota can do enough of the stuff that prevents Iowa from being able to Iowa up a game.  They have the nation's best 3rd down offense, the nation's 2nd best 3rd down defense, and rank in the top 25 in giveaway rate.  Iowa relies on sitting on you until you screw up, and while Minnesota isn't going to do a ton, they probably won't screw it up either.  Assuming Morgan plays, in what I think is a coin flip game, I'll just take the home team.
MINNESOTA 20, IOWA 17

Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: Hawkinole on November 18, 2022, 02:00:40 PM
The game time temp will be around 15 F. The team that goes up first will have an advantage. I cannot imagine either team wanting to air things out much unless and until necessary. Nice that Minnesota's turf is heated.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 02:13:52 PM
Kaliakmanis did so well in the 2nd half of the UNL game.Then evidently from the stats was throwing up lawn chairs vs NU.this could be a good game to watch
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 02:16:55 PM
2nd half of UNL game

Kaliakmanis 6-12-0 137
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: GopherRock on November 18, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
Minnesota's turf is not heated. That was removed when the Vikings moved across town.

Athan is going to start. Word on the street is that the doctors haven't cleared Tanner.

Grill full of ham steaks and bacon on the docket for tomorrow. High of 15 and snow showers. Even colder than the Dilly Bar Dan game.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 03:28:21 PM
Throw a couple of witches on the fire
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 02:16:55 PM
2nd half of UNL game

Kaliakmanis 6-12-0 137
1st half Morgan 6-8 for 38yds
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 03:40:40 PM
everything is relative, but no matter how you slice it...........Kaliakmanis isn't a gun slinger
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 03:28:21 PM
Throw a couple of witches on the fire
colder than a witch's tit
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 03:40:40 PM
everything is relative, but no matter how you slice it...........Kaliakmanis isn't a gun slinger
Isn't he their starter next year?
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
colder than a witch's tit
Never worked up the nerve to get close to Pelosi
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 04:20:28 PM
Isn't he their starter next year?
that's a long way off
especially with the portal
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 05:04:36 PM
Maybe you can portal him to UNL and raise ticket prices to the $7.00 range
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 05:23:56 PM
I'm hopin Casey Thompson stays
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 05:24:12 PM
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Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2022, 05:27:32 PM
HA!well played and ain't it the truth - you get a Yuengling FF we should chain mail that.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2022, 05:37:47 PM
I could use a Yuengling
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: ELA on November 18, 2022, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: GopherRock on November 18, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
Minnesota's turf is not heated. That was removed when the Vikings moved across town.
Why would you remove it?  Was it that expensive to maintain once it was in?
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2022, 07:39:14 AM
My question too.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2022, 07:43:13 AM
heated turf is for pussies!

that's why
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2022, 10:43:10 AM
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Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: Hawkinole on November 19, 2022, 07:30:43 PM
O/U was not low enough.
Title: Re: Floyd of Rosedale game: Minnesota (7-3, 4-3) v. Iowa (6-4, 4-3)
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2022, 07:47:54 PM
280 total yards - 1 TD

winner
Title: Re: Iowa (5-3, 7-4) at Minnesota (4-4, 7-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 19, 2022, 09:51:46 PM
We are done with Fleck now, right?  He has Minnesota back to where Mason had them, but with a WAY easier schedule.
Title: Re: Iowa (5-3, 7-4) at Minnesota (4-4, 7-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2022, 09:58:34 PM
not so fast, my friend
Title: Re: Iowa (5-3, 7-4) at Minnesota (4-4, 7-4) Post Game
Post by: Benthere2 on November 21, 2022, 10:46:56 AM
congrats to both teams for not getting a foul called against them.  

hard to believe that the refs did not throw out a single flag
Title: Re: Iowa (5-3, 7-4) at Minnesota (4-4, 7-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on November 21, 2022, 10:50:53 AM
refs didn't care, just wanted to get off the frozen tundra
Title: Re: Iowa (5-3, 7-4) at Minnesota (4-4, 7-4) Post Game
Post by: GopherRock on November 21, 2022, 01:13:05 PM
The white hat on the crew had neither gloves nor stocking cap or head wear. 

And yes, I'm done with Fleck.