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Title: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 12, 2022, 09:56:10 PM
The East now will officially be determined by THE GAME. The M/IL and tOSU/UMD games are irrelevant as to who goes to Indy. 

The West is a mess and nobody controls their own destiny. 

The only things we know for sure are:

The next most certain thing is that Wisconsin cannot make it to Indy without lots of unlikely help.

It is extremely likely that at least one of the three-loss teams will win out. If we treat that as an assumption then Wisconsin and the Iowa/Minnesota loser are out. 

Here are the 4-3 teams, what they have left, and their H2H results against other teams that could tie them at 6-3:

In the event of a three way tie in which each of the teams are 1-1 against the other two the next tiebreaker is divisional record. Here are their divisional records assuming they win out:

None of them control their own destiny because each could miss even if they win out. Here is at least one way each could miss the CG even at 6-3:

Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 12, 2022, 10:07:36 PM
I'm fairly confident Purdue wins out and Illinois doesn't. 

So the wildcard is whether or not the Iowa-Minnesota winner can win again the following week. 
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2022, 10:17:10 PM
Purdue has head to head over Minnesooota, but not Iowa
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 12, 2022, 10:19:50 PM
If I had to guess at the odds of each Big Ten West team winning out, going 2-0 in their last 2 games, I would guess

ILL 4%
Purdue 64%
IOWA 37%
MINN 25%
WISC 37%

Therefore  I would guess the odds of each team winning the division and going to the CCG as

Purdue 40%
Iowa  33%
Minn 22%
ILL 5%
Wisc <1%

In other words:  Chaos!
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2022, 10:22:13 PM
Purdue only 64%???

Northwestern home and @ Indiana?
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 12, 2022, 10:33:45 PM
Purdue, unless Iowa wins out. 
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 12, 2022, 10:38:17 PM
Purdue only 64%???

Northwestern home and @ Indiana?
Well, Purdue has not been the most consistent team this season and Indiana did find a way to beat Illinois this season. Still, giving Purdue a 64% chance to win out is much higher than I gave any other team in the West.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2022, 10:56:58 PM
well we all know Northwestern's struggles since returning from Ireland

and the Hoosiers have lost their last 7
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 12, 2022, 11:03:39 PM
I'm fairly confident Purdue wins out and Illinois doesn't.
If we assume those two things then there are three possibilities:

Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: Temp430 on November 13, 2022, 06:51:56 AM
Illinois loses next Saturday, Iowa and Purdue win out. Iowa is the Big Ten West co-champion and heads to Indy again.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 08:49:55 AM
to get pounded by Michigan, AGAIN
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2022, 09:01:56 AM
It's great that the "reward" for winning the West is now a sentence to a beatdown.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 09:10:35 AM
That's on the West

and the Huskers are certainly part of the problem
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2022, 09:39:08 AM
So are the Badgers.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2022, 12:19:37 PM
Iowa is the Big Ten West co-champion and heads to Indy again.
to get pounded by Michigan, AGAIN
I don't know you anymore
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 12:35:59 PM
gotta hold up your end ;)
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2022, 01:25:01 PM
Da Fuq they are,and I even rooted for the 'Skers.Booger is trying to get Corum some Heisman votes instead of resting him.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 01:54:19 PM
28 carries in a game that was never in question

I would have saved his carries for the goalline after he had 120 yards

get some TDs, get some rest
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2022, 06:26:06 PM
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Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2022, 06:28:07 PM
Nobody controls their own density?
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 15, 2022, 06:42:29 PM
Nobody controls their own density?
Nobody.  That's the beauty of tiebreakers. Assuming the division winner is 6-3,  then..

Purdue wins a 2-way tie with Illinois or Minn, but...

Iowa wins a 2-way tie with Purdue,  but...

Illinois wins a 2-way tie with Iowa or Minn, and...

Illinois wins a 3-way tie with Purdue and Iowa or Minn.

Minn essentially can't win any ties at 6-3.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
That is pretty amazing to me.  That division is a mess, and whoever wins may wish they hadn't.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 15, 2022, 06:50:04 PM
That is pretty amazing to me.  That division is a mess, and whoever wins may wish they hadn't.
I kinda was wishing Illinois or Purdue would wrap it up by now and go into the CCG with a halfway decent record.  At least Wisc, NW and Iowa have got their shot recently.  Time to give somebody else a chance.

Odds are still favoring Purdue to win because I don't believe ILL or Iowa will win their last 2 games.  At one point I was thinking at least Purdue could score some points against Mich or OSU,  but after seeing Purdue's offense lay an egg against Wisc and Iowa, I have little hope.  Maybe Jeff Brahm will surprise us all.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 15, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
If you think about it, maybe the best case scenario for the Big Ten is for ILL to upset Mich, then have Mich beat OSU, then have Mich avenge its only loss against ILL in the CCG. 

You may ask how is that better than Mich beating ILL first and  then beating Purdue in the CCG and finishing undefeated?  OK you got me there.  Never mind.  
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 15, 2022, 10:57:18 PM
If you think about it, maybe the best case scenario for the Big Ten is for ILL to upset Mich, then have Mich beat OSU, then have Mich avenge its only loss against ILL in the CCG. 

You may ask how is that better than Mich beating ILL first and  then beating Purdue in the CCG and finishing undefeated?  OK you got me there.  Never mind.
I'm not sure that any of this matters.

If the tOSU/M winner wins their other two games they'll obviously be in the CFP and they'll be either:
A fairly likely CFP scenario, I think, is:

I could end up regretting this but if tOSU is #2 there, I'd be happy to be playing TCU rather than USC anyway so I don't even know if we'd want the #1 seed.

Where it gets really goofy is if LSU upsets UGA in the B12CG, especially if the committee doesn't easily have room for two SEC teams. Possibly:
With11-2 SEC Champion LSU left out along with 11-1 TN and the tOSU/M loser.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: Hawkinole on November 16, 2022, 01:22:47 AM
Nobody.  That's the beauty of tiebreakers. Assuming the division winner is 6-3,  then..

Purdue wins a 2-way tie with Illinois or Minn, but...

Iowa wins a 2-way tie with Purdue,  but...

Illinois wins a 2-way tie with Iowa or Minn, and...

Illinois wins a 3-way tie with Purdue and Iowa or Minn.

Minn essentially can't win any ties at 6-3.
Nobody controls their own density?
Iowa sort of does control its own destiny.
It is very unlikely Illinois defeats Michigan. It seems likely Iowa defeats Minnesota and Nebraska in unconvincing fashion.
Yet this scenario seems so humiliating because Iowa would face Michigan or Ohio State who would each stopIowa for 5-yards total offense in the championship game. Iowa would have to score at least 4 safeties to win, and probably 24 safeties just to be competitive.
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2022, 07:45:50 AM
it's very likely Iowa defeats Nebraska

I don't feel it's likely to defeat the Gophers in Minnie

it might happen, but.........
Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 16, 2022, 11:14:07 AM
I know that at least @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) will like this:

The most convoluted possible scenario I can come up with in the B1G-W is a 5-way tie at 5-4. Here is how it could happen:

Minnesota, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa, and Wisconsin would all be 5-4. The first (and in this case decisive) tiebreaker is H2H2H2H2H and Illinois wins:

Title: Re: B1G Divisional races after week 11
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2022, 11:20:00 AM
I know that at least @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) will like this:


    Wisconsin has to win out (atUNL, vsMN).Since Iowa loses Floyd, they have to beat Nebraska on Black Friday.

I hate it!