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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on October 29, 2022, 04:30:45 PM
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Link to last week's rankings:
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1g-power-rankings-week-8-30888/
Votes through @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) , 13 voters:
(https://i.imgur.com/DiTMWeR.png)
Drop the high and low for each team:
(https://i.imgur.com/hMPz8sm.png)
Schedule/performance table:
(https://i.imgur.com/HClGF3x.png)
Not much change this week. Four teams (UW, UMD, PU, IU) didn't play and the higher ranked team won all five games that were played.
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1. Mich
2. OSU
3. PSU
4. ILL
5. Wisc
6. Pur
7. MD
8. Minn
9. Iowa
10. MSU
11. NEB
12. RUT
13. IND
14. NW
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Illinois
4. Penn State
5. Wisconsin
6. Minnesota
7. Iowa
8. Purdue
9. Maryland
10. Nebraska
11. Michigan State
12. Rutgers
13. Indiana
14. Northwestern
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Illinois
4. Penn State
5. Purdue
6. Wisconsin
7. Maryland
8. Minnesota
9. Iowa
10. Nebraska
11. Michigan State
12. Rutgers
13. Indiana
14. Northwestern
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OHIO STATE
MICHIGAN
PENN STATE
ILLINOIS
Wisconsin
Maryland - added
PURDUE
Minnesota
Michigan State
Iowa
Nebraska
Rutgers
Indiana
Northwestern
No change from last week
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When I do my rankings I plan to move Michigan to #1.
The Buckeyes and Wolverines now have three common opponents and the Buckeyes have the bigger scoring differential in two out of three but actually watching the games, Michigan's lines look better.
I still consider The Game to be close to a toss-up because I think that tOSU has better schemes and overall better skill position players but looking at vs PSU my take is:
- tOSU's lines looked somewhat better.
- M's lines dominated.
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When I do my rankings I plan to move Michigan to #1.
The Buckeyes and Wolverines now have three common opponents and the Buckeyes have the bigger scoring differential in two out of three but actually watching the games, Michigan's lines look better.
I still consider The Game to be close to a toss-up because I think that tOSU has better schemes and overall better skill position players but looking at vs PSU my take is:
- tOSU's lines looked somewhat better.
- M's lines dominated.
Not that these rankings matter- or I care- since these 2 teams will settle it on the field- but that’s such weird logic. They are both quite capable of beating the other.
We all know the transitive property does not work at all. But if your going to apply it- be balanced about it.
you just said OSU did better against 2 of their 3 common opponents- but then you focus on the one where UM did better.
You can’t reasonably make that comparison. OSU mutilated MSU in THEIR stadium, right out of the gate. UM took a long time to put them away. But that’s a rivalry game. To me- that was a dominating win by Michigan.
My favorite win was the Buckeyes yesterday. Young team in an incredibly hostile environment- mist hostile environment they will see all year. PSU playing inspired ball. Came from behind to take total control of the game with their offense and their defense. Stroud was money. 26/33 for 78% , 354 yards a TD and no picks. In that environment!
you hold that against them- but to me that was their best and most valuable win so far. You don’t learn a thing by dominating all game. They are learning how to win, multiple ways, in a dogfight and hostile environment.
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👍👍👍👍Good Points,I'll still prolly maybe put M at one because since i did tOSU has looked better and better IMHO.Why mess with the recipe 😎 .The emergence of the D-Line under Knowles has been noticeable - can't teach speed
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Last week in parentheses, no changes
- MICHIGAN (1) - held serve, but can't afford to not cash in those red zone trips into TDs against OSU
- OHIO STATE (2) - offense turned it on when it needed to
- PENN STATE (3) - defense played their asses off, but turnovers killed them
- ILLINOIS (4) - defense continues to impress
- MARYLAND (5) - bye week
- WISCONSIN (6) - bye week
- PURDUE (7) - bye week
- IOWA (8) - Northwestern can seemingly make any offense look good
- MINNESOTA (9) - this offense goes as Mo Ibrahim goes
- MICHIGAN STATE (10) - RBs had 39 yards on 16 carries
- NEBRASKA (11) - speaking of absent run games
- RUTGERS (12) - just a brutal performance
- INDIANA (13) - bye week
- NORTHWESTERN (14) - nothing more to say
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you just said OSU did better against 2 of their 3 common opponents- but then you focus on the one where UM did better.
I should have mentioned this in my original post but note that in the last two games the tOSU offense has forced a slew of turnovers and I think that those were vital to both games.
I'm not confident that this is sustainable. Prior to the last two games the Buckeyes hadn't forced many turnovers so is this a reflection of them getting better or just a random thing?
If it is them getting better then tOSU just might have the best defense in the league. If the Buckeyes actually have the best D in the league then they are easily the best team.
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I should have mentioned this in my original post but note that in the last two games the tOSU offense has forced a slew of turnovers and I think that those were vital to both games.
I'm not confident that this is sustainable. Prior to the last two games the Buckeyes hadn't forced many turnovers so is this a reflection of them getting better or just a random thing?
If it is them getting better then tOSU just might have the best defense in the league. If the Buckeyes actually have the best D in the league then they are easily the best team.
I don’t think they have the “ best” defense. I do think that Knowles defense is known for causing turnovers. They are just getting more and more familiar with it.
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I don’t think they have the “ best” defense. I do think that Knowles defense is known for causing turnovers. They are just getting more and more familiar with it.
I don't know either but if they can continue to force turnovers at the rate they have in the last two games, they do.
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- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Illinois
- Penn State
- Maryland
- Wisconsin
- Purdue
- Minnesota
- Iowa
- Michigan State
- Rutgers
- Nebraska
- Indiana
- Northwestern
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1) Michigan - Cleanly controls games
2) Ohio State - Inspired 4th quarter
3) Penn State - Good fight. I think they earned this spot
4) Illinois - Defense is amazing. Offense probably not strong enough to challenge the top 3.
5) Maryland - Bye -- hard to sort out 5-7
6) Purdue - Bye
7) Wisconsin - Bye
8) Minnesota - Dominating the bad teams
9) Iowa - Nice bounceback
10) Nebraska - Thought they would put up more of a fight
11) Michigan State - Hung around for awhile.
12) Rutgers - Woof
13) Indiana - Bye
14) Northwestern - Dead last by a lot
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1)Michigan put them here Buckeyes been playing better since I did
2)Buckeyes,coming alive in the 4th Qtr is becoming a thing
3)Illini - winning convincingly on the road
4)PSU - played OK and has faced the meat of the schedule
5)Maryland - had a bye
6)Badgers
7)Gophs
8)Boilers
9)Iowa
10)MSU
11) 'Skers
12)Hoosiers
13)Rut
14) NU
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👍👍👍👍Good Points,I'll still prolly maybe put M at one because since i did tOSU has looked better and better IMHO.Why mess with the recipe 😎 .The emergence of the D-Line under Knowles has been noticeable - can't teach speed
Was the Dline better or the PSU qb just a terrible decision maker? Maybe a little of both. I like your recipe so I’m voting Michigan 14th
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It feels like a perfect year for no CFP. I think the Georgia-Tennessee winner and OSU-UM winner should play for the title, but some weird shit will happen
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- Ohio State - Played a little shakey for 3 qtrs, but turned it on when they had to.
- Michigan - After the first couple of possesions, took control of the game.
- Penn State - Not quite at the top of the hill yet, but they are right there ready to assend to the top. They have some young, promising players that will make some noise over the next few seasons.
- Illinois - Great defense. If they were a little more explosive on Offense, they could be a real threat. Also, still cannot get over losing to Indiana.
- Maryland - Bye
- Wisconsin - Bye
- Minnesota - It was Rutgers, but still did what they had to.
- Purdue - Bye
- Iowa - Found an offense, if only against Northwestern.
- Michigan State - Showed some fight, just a little too much at the end.
- Rutgers - Schiano still has a lot of work to do.
- Nebraska - I didn't see this game, but saw the result. It is about what I expected.
- Indiana - Bye
- Northwestern - Classiest coach in college football, I hope things turn around for him.
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I'm quite surprised to see people ranking Purdue ahead of Wisconsin.
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Illinois
4. Penn State
5. Wisconsin
6. Minnesota
7. Iowa
8. Purdue
9. Maryland
10. Nebraska
11. Michigan State
12. Rutgers
13. Indiana
14. Northwestern
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We all know the transitive property does not work at all. But if your going to apply it- be balanced about it.
you just said OSU did better against 2 of their 3 common opponents- but then you focus on the one where UM did better.
You can’t reasonably make that comparison. OSU mutilated MSU in THEIR stadium, right out of the gate. UM took a long time to put them away. But that’s a rivalry game. To me- that was a dominating win by Michigan.
I don't know, maybe you are right. I've been tracking tOSU's and M's opponents by sagrin ranking all year and here are Michigan's seven wins sorted as such:
(https://i.imgur.com/MwCrI4x.png)
That PSU game is a major outlier. The only other teams that Michigan was able to beat by 24 or more were their atrocious OOC opponents. Ie, if Michigan is good enough to beat #14 PSU by 24 then:
- Why did they only beat #38 Iowa by 13?
- Why did they only beat #43 Maryland by 7?
- Why did they only beat #49 MSU by 22?
- Why did they only beat #85 IU by 21?
Iowa, UMD, MSU, and IU are not as good as Penn State and for some reason Michigan's games against them were closer than their game against PSU. Why?
Here is another way to look at it. I track all B1G teams games compared to each of their opponents' other B1G opponents. Here is the table:
(https://i.imgur.com/efoxJjH.png)
This is sorted by last week's power ranking because this week's isn't updated yet but it will be reasonably close so that doesn't matter much. Explaining this table:
- Each B1G team has now played five B1G games.
- Each B1G team's five league opponents are ranked relative to each other based on the scoring differential against the team in question. For example, look at the tOSU row:
- PSU lost to tOSU by 13 so they are #1
- MSU lost to tOSU by 29 so they are #2
- UW lost to tOSU by 31 so they are #3
- RU lost to tOSU by 39 so they are #4
- Iowa lost to tOSU by 44 so they are #5
Penn State's worst-of-the-year performance against Michigan is an obvious outlier that just jumps off the page. It suggests that Penn State is worse than Maryland (only lost to M by 7), Iowa (only lost to M by 13), Indiana (only lost to M by 21), and MSU (only lost to M by 22).
What to do with outliers?
On the one hand, maybe this was just a particularly good day for Michigan and/or a particularly bad day for Penn State. OTOH, Michigan did something similar to Ohio State last year. The Wolverines were pretty unimpressive for an eventual B1G Champion all year last year. They only beat Rutgers by 7, UW by 21, UNL by 3, NU by 26, IU by 22, PSU by 4, and they LOST to MSU. Their only really impressive league win prior to tOSU was beating Maryland badly but even there, their 41 point win wasn't as big as tOSU's 49 point win. Then they rolled into THE GAME and looked like world-beaters for three-and-a-half hours. Does Michigan simply have another gear that they reserve for only their best opponents? Michigan's 2021 B1G opponents ranked against each other:
- MSU beat them
- Nebraska lost to them by 3
- Penn State lost to them by 4
- Rutgers lost to them by 7
- Ohio State lost to them by 15
- Wisconsin lost to them by 21
- Indiana lost to them by 22
- Northwestern lost to them by 26
- Iowa lost to them by 39
- Maryland lost to them by 41
MSU, UNL, PSU, and RU were absolutely NOT better than tOSU last year. We know this because tOSU beat them by 49, 9, 9, and 39 points. Also, Iowa was NOT one of the worst teams in the B1G last year. I'll concede that they were overrated due to playing in the weaker division but they weren't worse than more than half of the eight B1G teams that did better against M than they did.
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I'm quite surprised to see people ranking Purdue ahead of Wisconsin.
I find Wisconsin REALLY hard to rank right now for two reasons:
- I think they have improved since earlier in the year relative to other teams but I'm not sure by how much, and
- That MSU loss is still BAD.
Judging by Wisconsin's recent results against Purdue and Northwestern I'd rank them as the best team in the West at #4. However their other two most recent games (getting blown out at home by IL and losing at MSU) were just as bad as September Wisconsin.
I get that UW has H2H over Purdue but they also have a H2H loss to MSU. Also, Purdue has H2H over UMD and MN and a close loss to PSU. So now what?
As I see it, there are definitive tiers and the rankings within each tier are highly debatable:
- tOSU, M
- PSU
- IL*
- UMD, UW, PU, MN, IA^
- MSU, UNL
- RU, IU
- NU
*There is a lot of difference of opinion on here as to whether PSU or IL should be #3 but I think the people who have Illinois #3 have been reeled in by Illinois' weak schedule. Here they are with their opponents based on last week's power rankings:
(https://i.imgur.com/pJLXp7p.png)
Penn State has two losses but they were to the unanimous best two teams in the league and they have played four of the top-8 teams in the league. Illinois lost to the second-worst team in the league and their best win was over a Wisconsin team that fired their coach the next day. They both play bad teams this weekend (MSU, IU) and mediocre teams next weekend (UMD, PU). Their schedules will equalize somewhat on November 19th when PSU gets Rutgers and Illinois gets Michigan.
^Every team in my tier-4 has at least one game where you can say "Hey, they might be as good or better than Illinois" and at least one game where you can say "Hey, they might be as bad as MSU/UNL".
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Prior Rankings at R chronologically from last week (next to team name) to preseason (far R):
- Michigan (2,2,2,3,3,2,2,2), I've moved them to #1 but I still have my doubts. They have let WAY too many teams hang around WAY too long and I don't know how many times they can hit the "In Case of Emergency" button and expect it to work out.
- Ohio State (1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1), This drop is more a reflection of Michigan looking good than anything tOSU did to deserve to drop.
- Penn State (3,3,3,2,1,3,4,4), Probably still the third best team in the league but it sucks for them that while they'd be the favorite to win the B1G-W they are almost mathematically eliminated in the B1G-E.
- Illinois (4,4,7,11,10,10,13,9), That loss in Bloomington looks stranger by the week.
- Purdue (5,6,6,9,7,7,7,7), Still in control of their own destiny in the B1G-W but . . .
- Minnesota (6,5,4,4,4,5,6,8), The Gophers managed to go from odds-on favorite to win the B1G-W to also-ran in two weeks. Maybe the only B1G team with no close games. They have double-digit wins over their bad opponents and double-digit losses to their good opponents.
- Wisconsin (10,9,9,6,5,6,3,3), Will the real Badgers please stand up? Are you the team that shellacked PU and NU or the team that got shellacked by IL and lost to MSU?
- Maryland (8,7,5,5,8,8,9,12), In the B1G-W they'd be a contender.
- Iowa (7,8,8,7,11,11,8,6), I still don't know what to think of Iowa. Their defense is so good that they kept it close with Michigan and are a credible threat to upset anyone. Conversely, their offense is so bad that anyone is a credible threat to beat them.
- Nebraska (9,10,12,13,14,14,14,14), It will be a long road if they are to get to contender even in the B1G-W.
- Michigan State (11,11,10,8,6,4,5,5), Based on last week's rankings, the Spartans play the top-6 teams in the league. That makes things difficult.
- Indiana (12,13,13,12,12,12,12,10), How did they beat Illinois and in a bigger-picture how did this program go from up-and-comer to bottom-feeder so quickly?
- Rutgers (13,12,11,10,9,9,10,13), Schiano has a long ways to go.
- Northwestern (14,14,14,14,13,13,11,11), Honestly, 14th simply isn't low enough of a ranking for this team.
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I find Wisconsin REALLY hard to rank right now for two reasons:
- I think they have improved since earlier in the year relative to other teams but I'm not sure by how much, and
- That MSU loss is still BAD.
Judging by Wisconsin's recent results against Purdue and Northwestern I'd rank them as the best team in the West at #4. However their other two most recent games (getting blown out at home by IL and losing at MSU) were just as bad as September Wisconsin.
It doesn't look as bad if you consider how many players (including starters) they were missing that day. It's a 2 OT loss on the road, in the dark.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ik3yYrV.png)
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1) Ohio State
2) Michigan
3) Penn State
4) Illinois
5) Maryland
6) Wisconsin
7 Purdue
8) Minnesota
9) Iowa
10) Rutgers
11) Michigan State
12) Nebraska
13) Indiana
14) Northwestern
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It doesn't look as bad if you consider how many players (including starters) they were missing that day. It's a 2 OT loss on the road, in the dark.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ik3yYrV.png)
I get that but MSU has just been shockingly bad this year. In their last six games they have five losses including blowouts to tOSU, M, and MN and a two TD loss to Maryland. The other game was a win over UW. As I said in my rankings, every team in that 5-9 group has good looking games and bad looking games and I feel like drawing names out of a hat wouldn't be any less accurate than trying to weigh the good and bad for those teams.
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I'm quite surprised to see people ranking Purdue ahead of Wisconsin.
Probably the same reason that you had this in your rankings:
6. Minnesota 5-3, 2-3 in BT
7. Iowa
8. Purdue 5-3, 3-2 in BT, with H2H win @ Minnesota
Overall record of opponents:
Minnesota: 29-35
Purdue: 35-30
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I think the Goophs would beat Purdue today, just as think Wisconsin would beat Purdue today.
My rankings are always about today - not so much about the past.
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Probably the same reason that you had this in your rankings:
6. Minnesota 5-3, 2-3 in BT
7. Iowa
8. Purdue 5-3, 3-2 in BT, with H2H win @ Minnesota
Overall record of opponents:
Minnesota: 29-35
Purdue: 35-30
Agreed. That middle group is just tough to rank. Everyone here agrees that the top four are tOSU, M, PSU, and IL (there is disagreement on the order but everybody has those as the top-4). Also, all but one of us (@FearlessF ) have MSU, UNL, RU, IU, and NU as the bottom five and the one exception has MSU 9th and Iowa 10th.
That leaves five teams to rank between #5 and #9. Here are their B1G games thus far:
[img width=297.429 height=273]https://i.imgur.com/OUsGyqm.png[/img]
As you can see, so far there have only been three games among these five teams:
- Purdue won at Maryland by 2
- Purdue won at Minnesota by 10
- Purdue lost at Wisconsin by 11
Thus, in games among the five:
- 1-0 Wisconsin beat PU at home.
- 2-1 Purdue beat UMD and MN on the road and lost on the road to UW
- 0-0 Iowa has yet to play any of the other four
- 0-1 Maryland lost at home to PU
- 0-1 Minnesota lost at home to PU
Wisconsin has the best percentage but you have to give Purdue some credit for the fact that all three games were on the road for them.
In games against the top-4 these teams are 0-9. I would rank their performances against the top-4 as follows:
- 0-1 Maryland: Their loss was both close and on the road.
- 0-1 Purdue: Their loss was close but at home.
- 0-3 Iowa: Two of their three losses were reasonably close and they are the only team in this group to have played both of the top-2.
- 0-2 Minnesota: A blowout and a two-score loss.
- 0-2 Wisconsin: Two blowouts. Also, I'd be more willing to say "well yeah that happens against great teams" if it was tOSU and M rather than tOSU and IL.
In games against the bottom-5 these teams are 9-1. I would rank their performances against the bottom-5 as follows:
- 2-0 Minnesota: Two blowouts.
- 2-0 Iowa: Two near-blowouts.
- 1-0 Purdue: A too-close win over UNL.
- 3-0 Maryland: Three wins is good but two close calls and a two-TD home win over MSU are not impressive.
- 1-1 Wisconsin: These teams shouldn't be losing to the bottom-5. The blowout of Northwestern is good but the loss is bad.
Like I said upthread, all five of these teams have results that make it look like they are at least as good as #4 Illinois and results that make it look like they are no better than the best of the bottom-5. It will work itself out. There are five games among these five teams over the final four weeks of the season:
- Maryland at Wisconsin on 11/5 noon, BTN
- Iowa at Purdue on 11/5 noon, FS1
- Wisconsin at Iowa on 11/12 TBD
- Iowa at Minnesota on 11/19 TBD
- Minnesota at Wisconsin on 11/26 TBD
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I think the Goophs would beat Purdue today, just as think Wisconsin would beat Purdue today.
My rankings are always about today - not so much about the past.
I have no issue with ranking Wisconsin above Purdue. I have issue with ranking Minnesota above Purdue.
What makes you believe that Minnesota is better now versus when they played a few weeks ago? What would you call Minnesota's best win? Rutgers? MSU? Minnesota does not have a win against a team with a winning record. Meanwhile, Purdue has won on the road against both 6-2 Maryland and 5-3 Minnesota.
Purdue crapped the bed against Wisconsin (a pick 6 and another interception at the 14 yard line will do that to you). Won't deny it. But I think you are letting one crappy performance influence your opinion compared to what they've done the rest of the year.
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Completely objective ranking based on relative scoring differential against B1G opponents:
- 1.2 Ohio State: The Buckeyes are best against UW, IA, MSU, and RU and second best against PSU.
- 1.6 Michigan: The Wolverines are best against PSU, UMD, and IU, second best against Iowa, and third best against MSU.
- 2.4 Penn State: The Nittany Lions are best against tOSU and MN, second best against PU, third-best against NU, and worst against M.
- 2.6 Illinois: The Illini are best against UNL, second best against UW and MN, third best against Iowa, and worst against IU.
- 2.8 Iowa: The Hawkeyes are second-best against M, IL, and NU, third-best against RU, and worst against tOSU.
- 2.8 Purdue: The Boilermakers are second best against UMD and UNL, third-best against PSU and MN, and next-to-last against UW.
- 3.0 Wisconsin: The Badgers are best against PU and NU, third best against tOSU, and worst against IL and MSU.
- 3.2 Maryland: The Terps are best against M, third-best against PU, and next-to-worst against MSU, IU, and NU.
- 3.4 Minnesota: The Gophers are second-best against MSU and RU, third-best against IL, and last against PSU and PU.
- 3.4 Indiana: The Hoosiers are best against IL, third-best against M and UMD, and worst against UNL and RU.
- 3.6 Michigan State: The Spartans are second-best against M, third-best against UW, next-to-last against M and MN, and worst against UMD.
- 3.8 Nebraska: The Cornhuskers are second-best against IU, next-to-last against IL, PU, and RU, and worst against NU.
- 4.0 Rutgers: The Scarlet Knights are third-best against IU, next-to-last against tOSU, IA, and UNL, and worst against MN.
- 4.2 Northwestern: The Wildcats are third-best against UNL, next-to-last against PSU and UMD, and last against UW and IA.
(https://i.imgur.com/j0vyQNE.png)
All B1G teams have played five league games so each teams' opponents are ranked 1-5 then the bottom row is the average of the rankings. Using Ohio State's opponents as an example:
- PSU lost by 13
- MSU lost by 29
- UW lost by 31
- RU lost by 39
- Iowa lost by 44
Similarly, against Northwestern:
- UW won by 35
- Iowa won by 20
- PSU won by 10
- UMD won by 7
- UNL lost by 3
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- Michigan
- Ohio State
- Penn State
- Illinois
- Purdue
- Iowa
- Maryland
- Wisconsin
- Minnesota
- Nebraska
- Michigan State
- Indiana
- Rutgers
- Northwestern
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I have MSU #10, but I'm very confused about how some people have them behind Nebraska. That is an indefensible position at this point. Indiana, Nebraska and Rutgers are the CLEAR #11-#13 in some order. Look at literally any metric. Actually most have Indiana, not Nebraska, closer to MSU's #10 spot
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Sparty has a good win against Wisconsin I guess, and a pair of Mac wins, but then every other game was a double digit loss.
Nebraska has just as many wins, and three of their losses were one-score losses instead of double digit losses. So Nebraska has been much more competitive on a consistent basis.
Oddly enough they don't have any common opponents yet, but they will rapidly begin to rack them up starting this week.
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I have no issue with ranking Wisconsin above Purdue. I have issue with ranking Minnesota above Purdue.
What makes you believe that Minnesota is better now versus when they played a few weeks ago? What would you call Minnesota's best win? Rutgers? MSU? Minnesota does not have a win against a team with a winning record. Meanwhile, Purdue has won on the road against both 6-2 Maryland and 5-3 Minnesota.
Purdue crapped the bed against Wisconsin (a pick 6 and another interception at the 14 yard line will do that to you). Won't deny it. But I think you are letting one crappy performance influence your opinion compared to what they've done the rest of the year.
minnesota crapped the bed against Purdue... a INT by purdue in the end zone a missed FG dropped passes
it was homecoming and they might have been partied out but the 1 bad game might have cost them against Illinios as well
i laugh at how some teams get a pass for a bad game and others do not
but do agree Minnesota has not won a game against a team with a pulse yet
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and they won't this saturday either
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minnesota crapped the bed against Purdue... a INT by purdue in the end zone a missed FG dropped passes
it was homecoming and they might have been partied out but the 1 bad game might have cost them against Illinios as well
i laugh at how some teams get a pass for a bad game and others do not
but do agree Minnesota has not won a game against a team with a pulse yet
The funny thing about Minnesota is that they've been REALLY good against the bad teams and REALLY bad against the good teams, no close games.
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minnesota crapped the bed against Purdue... a INT by purdue in the end zone a missed FG dropped passes
it was homecoming and they might have been partied out but the 1 bad game might have cost them against Illinios as well
i laugh at how some teams get a pass for a bad game and others do not
but do agree Minnesota has not won a game against a team with a pulse yet
How would the bad game against Purdue have cost them against Illinois? You do remember that there was a bye week between those games? So outside of their confidence taking a hit, I'm not sure you can really blame the Illinois loss on anything lingering from Purdue (especially because they got Mo back).
Second, the two teams have only one common opponent so far, Penn State.
Purdue lost to Penn State by 4. Minnesota lost by 28.
Third, I looked up about four different strength of schedule listings, and Purdue has had the tougher schedule in all four.
I guess I'm just really struggling to find some metric to prove that Minnesota is better right now.
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How would the bad game against Purdue have cost them against Illinois? You do remember that there was a bye week between those games? So outside of their confidence taking a hit, I'm not sure you can really blame the Illinois loss on anything lingering from Purdue (especially because they got Mo back).
Second, the two teams have only one common opponent so far, Penn State.
Purdue lost to Penn State by 4. Minnesota lost by 28.
Third, I looked up about four different strength of schedule listings, and Purdue has had the tougher schedule in all four.
I guess I'm just really struggling to find some metric to prove that Minnesota is better right now.
sure and MN played their worst game against Purdue and had 3 plays turn differently Purdue doesn't win that game and if played 10 times 5 at each home team the gophers I believe would win 7 of 10
but everyone is entitled to their opinion
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Composite computer rankings (88 rankings - last week in parenthesis)
- OHIO STATE (2)
- Georgia (1)
- Tennessee (3)
- Alabama (5)
- MICHIGAN (6)
- Clemson (4)
- TCU (7)
- Oregon (8)
- Kansas State (20)
- USC (10)
- Ole Miss (12)
- LSU (13)
- Utah (16)
- UCLA (18)
- PENN STATE (11)
- ILLINOIS (19)
- Oklahoma State (9)
- Texas (17)
- Mississippi State (21)
- Syracuse (15)
- Tulane (24)
- Wake Forest (14)
- North Carolina (-)
- Notre Dame (-)
- Oregon State (25)
- 28. Maryland (28)
- 37. Purdue (34)
- 40. Minnesota (46)
- 48. Wisconsin (49)
- 53. Iowa (55)
- 65. Michigan State (65)
- 82. Indiana (80)
- 90. Nebraska (88)
- 92. Rutgers (82)
- 115. Northwestern (114)
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Results posted.
I think we may be overrating Illinois and underrating Iowa just a bit. Looking at games against the top-4, 12 of our teams have played either one or two top-4 opponents. The exceptions are:
- Illinois has played none
- Iowa has played three
Illinois:
They have a great win (by 24 on the road) over Wisconsin but other than that their resume is pretty thin. As mentioned above, they have yet to play any top-4 team, they only BARELY beat Iowa at home they beat Minnesota by two scores but that was at home as well. They beat Nebraska soundly in Lincoln and lost in Bloomington.
I'm not saying that Illinois sucks, just that I think they are closer to the 5-9 group (UW, UMD, PU, MN, IA) than they are to #3 Penn State.
Iowa:
They are sub .500 in the league (2-3) and .500 overall (4-4) and their in-state OOC loss to the Cyclones looks worse every week but their three league losses are:
- By 44 on the road to #1 tOSU
- By 13 at home to #2 M
- By 3 on the road to #4 Illinois
Even getting blown out by tOSU is excusable especially considering that it was in Columbus. Their losses to Michigan and Illinois are nothing to sneer at and when they weren't losing to the best teams in the league they blew out Rutgers in Piscataway and Northwestern at home.
It is an embarrassment to the league since they lost to the Cyclones who are winless and alone in last place in the B12, but Iowa just might be our fifth best team. When you consider that the three point loss to Illinois was on the road, Iowa might be our fourth best team.