If tOSU doesn't drop 52 on psu and win, no matter what psu does, they'll be exposed as pretenders... theyve played ONE team with a winning record and left starters in the entire game.Wow. You’re usually pretty levelheaded but you’re way off on all of this.
Truth is I'm pretty damn sure they're good- real good- but I've got nothing to base that off of except opinion. They've simply not played anyone worth a damn. Having a schedule as they do is nice- it makes your record attention grabbing... but then when a decent team is encountered and the same level of production isn't achieved? You topple. Even a tight win drops the buckeyes to three if not four.... and that's the way it should be...
Oh cmon... you can do better than that.They rank #130. You forgot Notre Dame.
tOSU is ranked #131 for all around likability. Just below PSU, which does just fine until someone mentions Franklin. Theyre the only team with a Canadian logger at the helm, who apparently makes enough money chunking oaks in the great lakes which causes enough shipwrecks when they float just below the surface to impact the trade of geratol, which he's reportedly invested in heavily- and allows the purchase of pretty decent players. Without geratol, tOSU falls off the map. It's a pretty good racket.
PSU doesn't have a chance.
You know you're in a teams head when they won't do a white out against you because they want to improve their record in white out games.
They rank #130. You forgot Notre Dame.this is just a fact. ND is the worst.
Don't really care about the polls.Truth, except as a point of conversation. OSU could be ranked anywhere and still make the playoffs, or ranked #1 and miss out. I'd lean to ranking them #1 right now, which matters about as much as the AP. And as you note, an ugly messy one point win is still a win and won't matter much come CFP time.
this is a great podcast- College Football Nerds. Their computer model predicts Ohio State winning 31-19, and they both pick Ohio State to win, one co-host picks OSU 34-24 and the other OSU 31-17.I enjoy their podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfrJLRiH2Jk
Not sure if I'd take Jeem's word for went down,he has some skewed views of his own.lmao touche. ya got me there.
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Franklin's freshman RBs Allen and Singleton are too quick to run the ball to the outside if the middle of the line of scrimmage is looking crowded. Not sure that will work with Ohio State's speed any better than it did against Michigan.yeah kinda agree but that’s typical of true freshman. both of them are DUDES though for sure. probably just need a year in the system and to learn how to really play the college game and an actual spring and summer and fall to add some muscle and they should really take off next year.
this is a great podcast- College Football Nerds. Their computer model predicts Ohio State winning 31-19, and they both pick Ohio State to win, one co-host picks OSU 34-24 and the other OSU 31-17.On this podcast they point out that we shouldn't have been so surprised by Michigan's success running the ball. Penn State looked good but that was because most teams they had played have poor rushing offenses. College Football Nerds uses a computer model in which the main input is % of average. Let me try to explain that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfrJLRiH2Jk
I would NOT bank on Stroud having a bad day. I'd stay back
- Stay back to minimize the tOSU passing threat and hope you don't get bowled over by tOSU's rushing attack, or
- Load the box to keep from getting bowled over and hope Stroud has a bad day.
I would NOT bank on Stroud having a bad day. I'd stay backOh I agree but against Michigan they allowed 7.6 yards per carry.
| BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK |
| #2 Ohio State Buckeyes (4-0, 7-0) at #13 Penn State Nittany Lions (3-1, 6-1) |
| NOON - State College, PA - FOX |
| Penn State's "success" against Ohio State is a little overblown. Yes, they had that 2016 comeback win to launch their Big Ten Championship run. But that is their only series win since 2011, going 1-9 against Urban Meyer and Ryan Day. But...this line seems a little high to me. The Nittany Lions have struggled to get over the hump, but they have consistently played Ohio State better than anyone over the past six years. Aside from that 2016 win, they lost by 1 in 2017 and 2018, 11 in 2019, and 9 in 2021. The biggest loss in the past 6 years was by 13 in 2020, which was Penn State's worst team in that time span vs. Ohio State's best. There are no moral victories in Happy Valley, but just staying within 13 points of Ohio State 6 straight games, is actually an accomplishment. In that same time period, Michigan only did it 3 times, Michigan State once. So, Ohio State might have to play a game that is somewhat in doubt in the fourth quarter for the first time since their season opener against Notre Dame. But can Penn State actually get over the hump? It will be up to their back seven. Against WR U, the pressure on the secondary is self explanatory, but I think this is on the linebackers. The defensive line got (rightfully) roasted for getting bullied by the Michigan offensive line, but that was much more on the linebackers. Michigan's game plan was to double Penn State's interior linemen, and trust their backs to beat linebackers one and one. And they did, over and over. Ohio State's offensive line isn't as good as Michigan's, but their running backs are pretty close. If the linebackers don't make the Buckeyes pay for doing the same thing, this could get ugly. If they do, that opens up the line to have more room to operate outside of those double teams. Then if you start getting pressure like that, your safeties and linebackers can be more dedicated to slowing down that aerial attack. I think much like all recent versions of this game, Penn State challenges the Buckeyes, but Ohio State's march to 11-0 moves on. |
| OHIO STATE 35, PENN STATE 24 |
Did anyone else think Ohio State looked beatable?It was a very close game vast majority of the way.
Did anyone else think Ohio State looked beatable?Yes. Every week almost.
It's funny to me to hear the reasoning for tOSU to be regarded as they are. The very same thing can be said for another team also regarded but considered lessor than tOSU.think it depends on how UT loses. If Georgia blows them out...they probably deserve a drop. But if it's a close 1 score game or OT game- UT probably only deserves to drop 2-3 spots max.
And stats be damned, UTs D isn't that bad. Their run D is tight and their secondary works when it needs to work.
I'm truly hoping for a tOSU and UT match up.... yall can't tell me that won't be an entertaining game. The o/u would likely be 100pts opening... and by game time 110pts.
UT has to get through UGA first... and its critical.. if they win they go to #1 over tOSU and UM, but if they lose? They'll drop a lot further than bama did when they lost to UT- and likely to 10 or 12.... thats the way the system works.
It's funny to me to hear the reasoning for tOSU to be regarded as they are. The very same thing can be said for another team also regarded but considered lessor than tOSU.I agree. UT is capable of beating anyone this season IMO.
And stats be damned, UTs D isn't that bad. Their run D is tight and their secondary works when it needs to work.
I'm truly hoping for a tOSU and UT match up.... yall can't tell me that won't be an entertaining game. The o/u would likely be 100pts opening... and by game time 110pts.
UT has to get through UGA first... and its critical.. if they win they go to #1 over tOSU and UM, but if they lose? They'll drop a lot further than bama did when they lost to UT- and likely to 10 or 12.... thats the way the system works.
Ohio State hasn't looked beatable to me every week. I'd say just in the ND and PSU games. But they pulled away late in both games and won both by double digits. They have the ability to make explosive plays- and that's what the college game is all about imo.We are a funny bunch- us college football fans
I haven't really seen Michigan look beatable very much if at all. I think they've trailed maybe two times for very short periods of games all year. They were tied at the half with Indiana- but that 2nd half they flipped a switch and destroyed them. Michigan has been a 2nd half team- which I don't mind at all. DC Minter seems to make defensive adjustments every 2nd half and his defenses go into shutdown mode and feast.
But then again- their schedule hasn't been great with the exception of Penn State. They haven't really faced anyone that could beat them or stress them or get them out of their game and force them to play left handed- and they won't face that til they play Ohio State imo.
Did anyone else think Ohio State looked beatable?Yes.
Yes.yeah, not really.
That said, the tOSU and M games against PSU were fairly similar in this way:
Against Michigan, Penn State kicked a FG for a 17-16 second half lead. Michigan then flipped a switch and scored three TD's and a FG on their next four possessions to take a 41-17 lead.
Against Ohio State, Penn State scored a TD for a 21-16 second half lead. Ohio State then flipped a switch and scored TD's on their next three possessions and added a pick-6 for a 44-24 lead.
It has to be frustrating for Penn State's fans. In both games their team had a second half lead and was within striking distance deep into the second half but you wouldn't know it from the final scores.
yeah, not really.I saw the Maryland game and Maryland was marching up and down the field on them. They looked very beatable.
I was at that Mich-PSU game. Penn State was physically getting their asses whooped that game on both sides of the line of scrimmage from the opening bell. The only reason they were even in that game for like 30 seconds is because of a pretty gnarly fake hand-off by Clifford which he kept and busted for 60 and a truly flukish defensive play- a tipped pass which bounces off a Penn State defenders helmet and then right into the hands of a waiting Penn State defender and he runs it back. Take away those two plays- Penn State did literally jacksh*t the other 59+ mins of that game- Michigan flat out was whooping their ass and pummeling them at the lines of scrimmage. That game should've been 63-3. Felt like it. I didn't really see that from Ohio State to be honest- that one was an actual game.
I saw the Maryland game and Maryland was marching up and down the field on them. They looked very beatable.Marching up and down the field for....390 yards of offense- 75 yards of which came in the final 2 mins of the game when they were already down 15 points to score a garbage time TD with 40 seconds left in the game....that's really marching up and down the field all game long lol. You make it sound like they put up 500 yards and scored 50.
The Buckeyes have looked beatable too, especially this past weekend at PSU. While both tOSU and M are very good teams, they both have had their moments of vulernability.
The Buckeyes have looked beatable too, especially this past weekend at PSU. While both tOSU and M are very good teams, they both have had their moments of vulernability.They just play very different styles. Michigan is conservative af. They try to choke the life out of teams on both sides of the line of scrimmage and make the game ugly and boring. They almost refuse to pass the ball- and they completely refuse to take deep shots. Ohio State on the other hand is sexy. Their passing game is explosive as is their running game. They are pedal to the metal, explosive plays.
Marching up and down the field for....390 yards of offense- 75 yards of which came in the final 2 mins of the game when they were already down 15 points to score a garbage time TD with 40 seconds left in the game....that's really marching up and down the field all game long lol. You make it sound like they put up 500 yards and scored 50.Congratulations on all you have forgotten - we aready discussed this. The Terps gave your juggernaut 7 pts right off the bat - that was the difference in the game - The Michigan Difference.And the starting QB Tagovailoa (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4567097/taulia-tagovailoa) left the game in the 4th with rib/knee i njuries.And your boy corum was left into 1:10 in the game vs MSU saturday
They have 19 points and 315 yards of offense if not for their little garbage time score.....
yeah, not really.Is there any part of my post that you think you rebutted? I don't see any, am I missing something?
I was at that Mich-PSU game. Penn State was physically getting their asses whooped that game on both sides of the line of scrimmage from the opening bell. The only reason they were even in that game for like 30 seconds is because of a pretty gnarly fake hand-off by Clifford which he kept and busted for 60 and a truly flukish defensive play- a tipped pass which bounces off a Penn State defenders helmet and then right into the hands of a waiting Penn State defender and he runs it back. Take away those two plays- Penn State did literally jacksh*t the other 59+ mins of that game- Michigan flat out was whooping their ass and pummeling them at the lines of scrimmage. That game should've been 63-3. Felt like it. I didn't really see that from Ohio State to be honest- that one was an actual game.I've already covered this but ask Ohio State fans who watched the 2019 Clemson game or the 1996 Michigan game if looking dominant for a half is enough to win every time.
The only reason they were even in that game for like 30 secondsReally, Penn State was only in their game against Michigan for 30 seconds?
The Vols have to get thru their schedule just like everyone else.Just don't get caught looking ahead - that's the dangerWe'll find out how the committee looks at it tomorrow... if there were algorithms and formulas, UT would be #1... because of the eye test (and I believe in the eye test more) I can't have them higher than 4... and that's because I view polls more on how I think they'll finish rather than where they are...
Marching up and down the field for....390 yards of offense- 75 yards of which came in the final 2 mins of the game when they were already down 15 points to score a garbage time TD with 40 seconds left in the game....that's really marching up and down the field all game long lol. You make it sound like they put up 500 yards and scored 50.Take off your Maze and Blue glasses and look again. Maryland was always very much in this game. They were moving the ball very effectively and playing fairly good defense. You can ignore that game all you wish, but we all saw it.
They have 19 points and 315 yards of offense if not for their little garbage time score.....