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Title: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 23, 2022, 09:01:17 AM
There are some obvious things of course, like Ohio State has a good offense.  The top teams are mostly the same as preseason polls had them except for Tennessee.  Teams in the preseaon top ten that have dropped hard include Notre Dame, A&M, Oklahoma, and Baylor.  The second ten had some drop hard as well, Miami, Pitt, Wisconsin, Arkansas.

So, about 40% of the preseason top 20 at this point don't look very good at all.  LSU will get some notice now.  Clemson won't play another ranked team in the regular season now.  So, the playoffs may be shaping up?

Clemson
Ohio State - Michigan winner
Alabama - UGA - Tenn winner
TCU???  One of the above?  Oregon?  
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 23, 2022, 09:09:58 AM
There will not be a G5 team this year, that's for sure.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 23, 2022, 09:49:59 AM
Maryland is 6-2, with two close losses.  They still have PSu and OSU ahead.

Rutgers is 4-3 after a 4 game skid followed by the win over Indiana.  They could make a bowl, but tough games ahead.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 23, 2022, 09:58:31 AM
Maryland is 6-2, with two close losses.  They still have PSu and OSU ahead.

Rutgers is 4-3 after a 4 game skid followed by the win over Indiana.  They could make a bowl, but tough games ahead.
And in two weeks, they will be in Madison.

UMD didn't look all that good yesterday - at home against NU.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 10:19:36 AM
Okie St. if they win a rematch with TCU?
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 10:21:10 AM
There are some obvious things of course, like Ohio State has a good offense.  The top teams are mostly the same as preseason polls had them except for Tennessee.  Teams in the preseaon top ten that have dropped hard include Notre Dame, A&M, Oklahoma, and Baylor.  The second ten had some drop hard as well, Miami, Pitt, Wisconsin, Arkansas.

So, about 40% of the preseason top 20 at this point don't look very good at all.  LSU will get some notice now.  Clemson won't play another ranked team in the regular season now.  So, the playoffs may be shaping up?

Clemson
Ohio State - Michigan winner
Alabama - UGA - Tenn winner
TCU???  One of the above?  Oregon? 
I think I've learned that Marcus Freeman might be in over his head at Notre Dame- for a really young guy who has never been a head coach and barely a co-ordinator to take over a job like that- tough thing to do, that Jimbo continues to outright FLEECE A&M for $100 mil, and that Oklahoma might've hired the wrong guy.

I kinda knew that Miami, Pitt, and Arkansas would all stink and are pretenders. Miami at this point should just close down the football program. They ain't ever coming back and are straight up an embarrassment. Not that they were ever going to be good, but Arkansas is kinda screwed with Oklahoma and Texas coming into the SEC. They might never be good again. There are only so many players to go around- and they'll all be going to UGA/UF/OU/TX/Bama/LSU/Ole Miss before they even consider going to Arkansas. 

Clemson is a lock to get in bc: ACC is god awful and they've eeked out wins vs some mediocre teams and no one left can get them imo. Who left can maybe beat? MAYBE Notre Dame? Doubtful though.

OSU-Michigan winner is in. One not both, is getting in. So you've got two of the 4 slots locked in- OSU/MICH and Clemson.

SEC has a really good shot at getting two teams in. BAMA wins out they are in- and then one of UGA/Tenn could backdoor in. 

B12/P12 going to fight over the last slot. I'll say this if USC runs the table and is 11-1 and gets into the PAC CCG and wins and is a 12-1 PAC champion with their only loss being by 1 point @Utah - pressure is going to mount to include them. Media loves them some USC, Lincoln Riley, and Caleb Williams. Even if I happen to think the latter two are seriously overrated. Riley is an insanely awesome OC, but he doesn't care about defense at all. Caleb Williams is pretty damn good- but he's not otherworldly good. That system makes QBs look better than they actually are. Think we're seeing that play out with how god awful Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray are in the NFL- and while Jalen Hurts is doing pretty well with the Eagles he's far more game manager than he is bus driver. He's just not screwing things up- which is all that team needs right now bc it's loaded everywhere. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 10:23:12 AM
And in two weeks, they will be in Madison.

UMD didn't look all that good yesterday - at home against NU.
They were playing their back-up QB. And to be fair, Wisconsin hasn't looked that good all season save for maybe two games. If Taulia is back I think they'll have a legit shot to beat an improving but not great Wisconsin team. Bad Graham Mertz still lurks around the corner everywhere. He giveth and he taketh away.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 23, 2022, 10:31:52 AM
The Kelly experiment at LSU is interesting.  I usually don't judge a coach after half a season except for obvious stuff.  USC certainly looks the part but is that due to coaching or did they finally really get some solid talent again?  ND/OU could be the reverse of that, not sure at all.  The QB is such a pivotal position.

I think we can start to judge Jimbo.  Maybe next year he HAS to do something?
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 10:37:08 AM
The Kelly experiment at LSU is interesting.  I usually don't judge a coach after half a season except for obvious stuff.  USC certainly looks the part but is that due to coaching or did they finally really get some solid talent again?  ND/OU could be the reverse of that, not sure at all.  The QB is such a pivotal position.

I think we can start to judge Jimbo.  Maybe next year he HAS to do something?
Kelly is a really good coach, he's just an awful recruiter. He hates it. This was well documented at ND. If you look, ND's recruiting took off with Freeman at the helm. But....Freeman isn't the coach Kelly is. I think Kelly will work out so long as he keeps awesome recruiters on his staff. Dude would honestly probably be a better fit in the NFL where he'd never have to recruit. But the only problem is he can't turn purple and scream at grown ass men in the NFL. They'd tell him to F off. So maybe he has to stick to college. But the dude can coach. He just doesn't get the talent needed to win big. He hates recruiting.

Jimbo should be done this year. But that buyout is going to keep him at A&M for at least a few more years.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 23, 2022, 10:40:19 AM
They were playing their back-up QB. And to be fair, Wisconsin hasn't looked that good all season save for maybe two games. If Taulia is back I think they'll have a legit shot to beat an improving but not great Wisconsin team. Bad Graham Mertz still lurks around the corner everywhere. He giveth and he taketh away.
I think UW has turned the corner. Mertz too. We'll see in two weeks, in Madison.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 10:40:50 AM
The Kelly experiment at LSU is interesting.  I usually don't judge a coach after half a season except for obvious stuff.  USC certainly looks the part but is that due to coaching or did they finally really get some solid talent again?  ND/OU could be the reverse of that, not sure at all.  The QB is such a pivotal position.

I think we can start to judge Jimbo.  Maybe next year he HAS to do something?
Muleshoe took some good talent with him, thanks to the portal
only one of the reasons Brent has a rough start in Norman
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
re: Jimbo....they ran Sumlin outta town...gave Jimbo a $100mil contract and $30 mil in NIL money to buy players....and they still suck LOL. And Jimbo suppose to be an "offensive guru" and "QB whisperer" uhm.....

https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1584020928438358016?s=20&t=T8wdweORLCBDMX83RnLGNQ

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1584024719183208448?s=20&t=wu4xEzgWcUNQirftzvkWjg

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 11:24:18 AM
https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/1583243572979302400?s=20&t=6mRSGrypsugW_GmXa2FNiQ
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 11:42:17 AM
also....looking at Miami and how bad they are on offense right now...maybe Josh Gattis leaving Michigan wasn't such a bad thing....
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 23, 2022, 11:46:51 AM
Hopefully everyone has learned that week 1 is simply one data point and not a harbinger of things to come the rest of the season.  Oregon looks fine, despite getting mutilated vs UGA.  Florida stinks, despite beating top-10 Utah.  
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If Week 1 sets the tone for your whole season, your HC probably isn't very good.  It's a marathon of sorts, not a sprint.  
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 12:21:21 PM
Here is what I learned about every Big Ten team that played in Week 8. (Illinois, Nebraska, Michigan and Michigan State were idle.)

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/1-thing-i-learned-about-every-big-ten-team-in-week-8/?fbclid=IwAR1p2n4UFVo6Y5dDL318raGv7CZbOCl5RBexLXE1d-IFxFMWjGdFZ4QLqlU (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/1-thing-i-learned-about-every-big-ten-team-in-week-8/?fbclid=IwAR1p2n4UFVo6Y5dDL318raGv7CZbOCl5RBexLXE1d-IFxFMWjGdFZ4QLqlU)

Minnesota: PJ Fleck may be a fraud, but Mo Ibrahim is the truth
The Gophers are in the midst of their first 3-game losing streak since 2018, which was PJ Fleck’s 2nd season in the Twin Cities. And with each loss, it grows harder to believe Fleck will ever match Minnesota’s 2019 season, when the Gophers went 11-2 and finished 10th nationally but still missed the Big Ten title game.

However, there is nothing fraudulent about running back Mohamed Ibrahim. With 30 carries for 102 yards, Ibrahim is the first FBS running back since Ohio State’s Ezekiel Elliott to gain 100 yards in 15 consecutive games. And Ibrahim and Elliott are the only backs to accomplish the feat in 25 years.

Northwestern: The QB change worked, kind of
Pat Fitzgerald injected some life into his offense by turning to sophomore Brendan Sullivan as his new starting quarterback, and it certainly worked in the first half.

Sullivan wasn’t explosive, but he was accurate while also providing a run threat as Northwestern opened up a 17-7 lead. After the Terps finally adjusted to a player they hadn’t seen on film, they stormed back to go up 24-17.

Sullivan wasn’t done, though. He was impressive leading the Cats on a 9-play, 72-yard drive to tie the game with 3:34 left.

Of course, Maryland scored on the opening play of the ensuing possession, then picked off Sullivan to effectively end things.

Will the Sullivan upgrade be permanent, or will he be exposed by opponents who now have a book on him?

Ohio State: What if this was the dud?
Even College Football Playoff teams are liable to have at least one dud every season, whether it’s an outright loss or a great escape. (Clemson’s comeback win over Syracuse qualifies in the great escape category.)

What if it turns out this was Ohio State’s dud?

CJ Stroud was not sharp early, getting strip-sacked for an Iowa touchdown and starting 11-of-18 with an interception. The Buckeyes averaged just 2.2 yards per carry while gaining 66 yards on the ground. That’s the fewest rushing yards Ohio State has gained in a win since the 2004 game against NC State.

This may end up being Ohio State’s sloppiest offensive performance. And the Buckeyes still won by 44.

Penn State: That’s how you rebound
I razzed James Franklin last week, but he deserves credit for making sure 1 loss didn’t turn into 2 for Penn State. The Nittany Lions were focused and ready to match the energy of the crowd for Beaver Stadium’s White-Out game.

Whipped on both sides of the ball by Michigan, Penn State returned the favor against Minnesota. The Nittany Lions averaged 7.1 yards per play against a formerly stout Gophers defense. Penn State’s defensive front dominated with 7 tackles for loss, resulting in 17 lost yards for Minnesota.

It’ll take a lot more of wherever that came from to beat Ohio State next week. But it feels much more possible to test the Buckeyes than it did a week ago.

Purdue: Man will land on Mars before Purdue beats Wisconsin
If this Purdue team is incapable of beating this Wisconsin team, then goodness knows when the Boilermakers will next be victorious over the Badgers.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Drew4UTk on October 23, 2022, 01:14:04 PM
I'm thinking USCe takes down Clemson this year.  I'm not putting money on it, but i got that weird vibe that USCe is waking up and shaping up to be a spoiler.  Theyre beginning to play cohesively and in tune.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 01:20:18 PM
I'm thinking USCe takes down Clemson this year.  I'm not putting money on it, but i got that weird vibe that USCe is waking up and shaping up to be a spoiler.  Theyre beginning to play cohesively and in tune.
could definitely see that, Clemson hasn't exactly been world beaters and they've escaped a couple they could've and should've lost.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 23, 2022, 01:47:12 PM
That I haven't consumed nearly enough Oktoberfests
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 02:29:53 PM
luv the post Oktoberfest season

they go on sale!!!

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 23, 2022, 02:37:37 PM
Offensive leaders thus far in total yards:

1.  Tennessee
2.  UGA
3.  TCU
4. Ohio State
5.  Oregon

One of those is a surprise.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 02:42:12 PM
TCU plays 12ing defenses
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 02:44:34 PM
Offensive leaders thus far in total yards:

1.  Tennessee
2.  UGA
3.  TCU
4. Ohio State
5.  Oregon

One of those is a surprise.
Georgia isn’t sexy or flashy. They run the ball really well and they have insane TE talent. Guess you can say that offense is Patriots-esque back when Pats transitioned away from Moss & Welker and to throwing primarily to Gronk & Hernandez.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 03:16:33 PM
College football betting lines are getting released with a full slate of action o the schedule for Week 9.

In particular, the B1G divisional races should get much clearer following the results. Ohio State — undefeated at 7-0 — will try and end any hopes Penn State has of getting back into the East race.

Also in the East, Michigan State will try to upset and spoil Michigan’s undefeated season for a 3rd straight year. This time around, the task facing the Spartans is a bit tougher on paper.

In the B1G West, divisional leader Illinois returns to action off a bye week against Nebraska. The Illini will try to break the curse of the Huskers by beating Nebraska and winning the following game(s) down the stretch.

Heading into the beginning of the week Circa Sports has released lines for every game. Here are the B1G matchups:

Illinois (-5) vs. Nebraska
Ohio State (-15) vs. Penn State
Michigan State vs. Michigan (-21)
Northwestern vs. Iowa (-9)
Rutgers vs. Minnesota (-10)
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MarqHusker on October 23, 2022, 03:26:29 PM
College football games are really long.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 03:35:48 PM
almost as long as 5 set Vball matches
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 23, 2022, 03:49:43 PM
Who here has had a good look at Illinois?  Who here predicted they would do this well?

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MarqHusker on October 23, 2022, 03:57:41 PM
I don't think the Big Ten is a particularly strong league at all.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 04:44:29 PM
especially the West

I think Illinois is about as good as most of us thought

it's just that Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesoota, Northwestern, and Nebraska are worse than we thought
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 23, 2022, 04:58:26 PM
Who here has had a good look at Illinois?  Who here predicted they would do this well?
Sure as hell not kharma and UW just might have found a Head Coach.Hopefully they can pry Brian Ferentz from Iowa as the Buckeyes play at The Camp next year
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 06:26:35 PM
learned that Bama is gonna make that playoff after seeing this...Nick ain't going to put up with no bullsh&t. And that's why they've been so good so long under him. He gives no f#ks, has no chill, and takes no prisoners.

https://twitter.com/davidadamcone/status/1584165401881350151?s=20&t=Tf_Bl47gT16S-P7e_h5BrQ
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 07:53:44 PM
apparently the sneaky SOB has a card up his sleeve and is gonna coach them up
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 24, 2022, 01:41:56 AM
re: Jimbo....they ran Sumlin outta town...gave Jimbo a $100mil contract and $30 mil in NIL money to buy players....and they still suck LOL. And Jimbo suppose to be an "offensive guru" and "QB whisperer" uhm.....

https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1584020928438358016?s=20&t=T8wdweORLCBDMX83RnLGNQ

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1584024719183208448?s=20&t=wu4xEzgWcUNQirftzvkWjg
C'mon, do you really believe the bullshit that we spent $30 million on NIL?  And if we did, do you really think that A&M has the richest and largest alumni base that we could outspend all the other major programs?  No doubt NIL played a part in it, but stop repeating bulletin board bullshit anonymous lies.  

I think that A&M reported that the total NIL money was around 2-3 million total.  Not 30x that amount.  
No doubt Jimbo has not earned his paycheck this year, and we can't afford to fire him no matter what.  So it looks like he'll be here at least 3-4 more years.  
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 24, 2022, 01:49:06 AM
And yes Sumlin had a better record at this point in his career.  But it was apparent that Sumlin's best season was his first, and from that point on he was a 7/8 win coach.  For Fisher his best so far was his 3rd season, which was COVID shortened otherwise we would have won 10 or 11 games probably.  

At any rate he'll be here 3-4 more seasons, in which time he will either completely jump the shark and win 4-6 games per season from here on out, or make a comeback.  

It's obvious that LSU was angling to get Fisher reunited with the AD that brought him to A&M, and he used that to his advantage but I wonder about the boosters who signed on to this deal.  10 years guaranteed, no penalty clause for leaving.  

I swear the aggie jokes write themselves.  Either way he has time to rebound.  I just wonder if the flame doesn't die just a little after scoring a guaranteed contract like that.  
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 05:54:07 AM
So, just looking at the Illini schedule, they could end up 10-2 with a loss to UM, but I bet many of us expect a stumble along the way ...

@Nebraska
Michigan State
Purdue
@ Michigan
@ NW
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 05:57:21 AM
Purdue has really made a habit of close games eh?

They didn't beat Wisconsin.  Losses to Syracuse and PSU by 3 and 4 don't look too bad.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 06:14:05 AM
Would you say te B1G West is the weakest division in P5?  I know the ACC Coastal is certainly able to compete for that title with only one ranked team (UNC at #21) followed by Tech and Duke.  The 2nd best team may be Pitt at 4-3 who took Tenn to OT.

I'd lean to the ACC for that crown at the moment.

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 06:57:10 AM
Georgia isn’t sexy or flashy. They run the ball really well and they have insane TE talent. Guess you can say that offense is Patriots-esque back when Pats transitioned away from Moss & Welker and to throwing primarily to Gronk & Hernandez.
The are No. 7 in the nation in passing yards, and something like 29th running.  This stat can  be skewed of course by how many games are blowouts fairly early and the team ahead just runs clock.

Washington leads the nation in passing yards, which I did not expect.  Ole Miss is No. 3 in rushing yards (behind only Army and AF).

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Temp430 on October 24, 2022, 06:59:04 AM
SEC bias in the polls is real.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 07:04:29 AM
The poll voters in both cases come from all around the country.  Maybe they all suck up ESPiN propaganda, it's possible.  Or they rely on past history too much, which I think "we" all tend to do.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 07:32:43 AM
SEC bias in the polls is real.
well at this point they've earned it. SEC has been by far the best conference over the last 15 years or so. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 07:38:55 AM
College football games are really long.
Especially when you're waiting to watch your team while SMU and Cincy play a 4+ hour game.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 07:39:36 AM
Who here has had a good look at Illinois?  Who here predicted they would do this well?
I knew Bert would get them competitive but he's a year early for me.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 07:41:00 AM
Sure as hell not kharma and UW just might have found a Head Coach.Hopefully they can pry Brian Ferentz from Iowa as the Buckeyes play at The Camp next year
I can just about guarantee you that OSU will not play in Madison next year.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 07:58:02 AM
It isn't new of course, but it amuses me that a QB can pitch the ball forward on an end around and get counted as a pass.  If the play goes for 50 yards, it looks really impressive on the sheet.  Somewhere I'd guess there is a stat on passing yardage without YAC.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: GopherRock on October 24, 2022, 09:30:52 AM
I knew Bert would get them competitive but he's a year early for me.
That was also my thought on Illinois. They're a year ahead of schedule.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 09:45:57 AM
I knew Bert would get them competitive but he's a year early for me.
More than a year evidently he's learned after making a mess of a coaching situation and an ass of himself.Every one deserves a 2nd chance.Maybe the Illini also have more talent than believed or he's just making it fun and they are responding in kind.I hope they win out :cheer: ;D.Helps the Buckeyes SoS
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 09:48:26 AM
I can just about guarantee you that OSU will not play in Madison next year.
Sorry didn't look with UW playing here a month ago thought we'd be going there next season
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 09:51:25 AM
Bert is definitely a player's coach. With few exceptions (2008 comes to mind) all of his players loved him.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
C'mon, do you really believe the bullshit that we spent $30 million on NIL?  And if we did, do you really think that A&M has the richest and largest alumni base that we could outspend all the other major programs? 
Well in his defense Texans love football and there is a shit load of oil money and other sources there.And Military people are well connected so there's that.It's more about Fisher though,he comes across the wrong way. And Fisher really didn't do a whole lot at FSU except when Jamais was there 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
I can only hope UNL spends 30 mil on NIL next year
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 10:08:53 AM
if your boy from Berkshire Hathaway can chime in
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
no shit, loosen up Warren!

help a brother out!

straight cash, Homie
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 10:19:47 AM
Don't think that would be a good pitch but what do i know,Brutha
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 10:43:37 AM
Warren enjoys bridge.  He partners with Bill Gates on occasion.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 24, 2022, 10:47:03 AM
Well in his defense Texans love football and there is a shit load of oil money and other sources there.And Military people are well connected so there's that.It's more about Fisher though,he comes across the wrong way. And Fisher really didn't do a whole lot at FSU except when Jamais was there
False.  Fisher had a very good record before and after Jameis came on board.  

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[th]2017 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017.html)[/th]
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It's a what did you do for me lately world, but the narrative that Jameis was the reason why he was so successful is bull.  I think he was only there two seasons.  

I don't even understand your statement about the military and Texas A&M.  Oil money, possibly, but nobody really believes that we ponied up $30 mil for CFB do they?  As stated, I think the official stats, required by Texas law, are about 2-3 million for the entire AD.  
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 10:55:22 AM
Warren enjoys bridge.  He partners with Bill Gates on occasion.
there's gotta be a booster of substance that can take some money from Warren playing cards and then hand it to Trev and the Athletic Dept.

Trev doesn't strike me as a bridge player
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 11:00:34 AM
The Oracle of Omaha is an interesting dude, really.  He's actually pretty boring when he speaks but folks hang on every word.  Berkshire Hathaway trades at some ridiculous amount per share.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 11:03:15 AM
splitting doesn't seem to be his thing

I'm guessing just to be different and stand out
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: GopherRock on October 24, 2022, 11:04:34 AM
Berkshire would do well to open up the purse and give BNSF employees what they want.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 11:07:44 AM
Too bad none of the Ricketts family went to UNL I guess?
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 11:10:42 AM
Berkshire would do well to open up the purse and give BNSF employees what they want.
Does Devilfroggy drive for them?
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 11:20:08 AM
Too bad none of the Ricketts family went to UNL I guess?
father Joe, Creighton in Omaha

Pete, sister Laura and brother Joe, U of Chicago

brother Todd, Loyola University
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Hawkinole on October 24, 2022, 11:51:46 AM

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: GopherRock on October 24, 2022, 12:43:04 PM
Does Devilfroggy drive for them?
At one point he did, not sure if he still does.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: ELA on October 24, 2022, 01:23:34 PM
Kenneth Walker probably should have won the Heisman last year
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 01:36:45 PM
Kenneth Walker probably should have won the Heisman last year
Bryce was a pretty deserving winner, but seeing what KW is already doing in the NFL and how bad MSU looks running the ball and how inept that offense looks without him- yeah he should've been runner up at worst and had serious consideration to be the winner. Not sure one team counted on one guy more than MSU did him.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 01:40:42 PM
I can just about guarantee you that OSU will not play in Madison next year.
I take this back. Sounds like divisions will stay one more year before UCLA and USC come.

If that's the case, OSU will play in Madison.

And it will be in November so it can't be a night game...
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 01:49:37 PM
OK so the students have a year and a month to make it to the Camp on time
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 24, 2022, 01:50:51 PM
I've been surprised and highly impressed with Michigan's ability to reload.

Here is 247's roster talent composite:
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

I don't go as in-depth as @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , but when I assess teams preseason I more-or-less do this mental calculation:



Step 3 is basically the team talent composite from above. I expect Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State to "reload" rather than "rebuild" because they have boatloads of talent on campus. Michigan, however, is all the way down at #14 so I expect that to be more of a struggle for them. 

When Michigan beat Ohio State last year I was able to console myself with some relevant facts:


Based on the above, I made the reasonable assumptions that Michigan would take a hit with more than average turnover and that both tOSU and Michigan would regress toward their respective means and since Ohio State's recent (pre 2021) mean was a LOT better than Michigan's, I thought/hoped that tOSU would be substantially better than Michigan in 2022.

At this point in the season I no longer feel confident about that. I still had tOSU at #1 in our Power Rankings last week because I do still think that they look better but there is not a substantial gap. It is basically a coin-flip difference. 


Michigan's apparent ability to "reload" has surprised me. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 01:58:51 PM
I agree, but I think it is possible Michigan looks shiny because of schedule.  That was of course an impressive win over PSU.  Their second most impressive win is ... Maryland?  Of course, I can similarly pick apart anyone's schedule at this point.

We could still learn that one or two of the current top ten teams end up fading pretty quickly.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
I take this back. Sounds like divisions will stay one more year before UCLA and USC come.

If that's the case, OSU will play in Madison.

And it will be in November so it can't be a night game...
we play a few night games in November in Lincoln, but we're down south where's it's warm

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 24, 2022, 02:12:10 PM
I agree, but I think it is possible Michigan looks shiny because of schedule.  That was of course an impressive win over PSU.  Their second most impressive win is ... Maryland?
Per Sagrin, it is Iowa.

Michigan's opponents ranked by Sagrin:

I always assert that flukes happen because they do. Pick any team and year and I'll show you a game where their performance was way off from their normal for the year.

That does leave open the possibility that Michigan's blowout over PSU was simply a fluke and if you take that away you are left with . . . not much.

That said, you can do that with about any team to "prove" whatever you want to "prove".

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 02:14:53 PM
that's what message boards are for!
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: GopherRock on October 24, 2022, 02:18:59 PM
I take this back. Sounds like divisions will stay one more year before UCLA and USC come.

If that's the case, OSU will play in Madison.

And it will be in November so it can't be a night game...
Where are you seeing conference schedules for 2023?

Also, the no-night-game-in-November meme has been dead since at least 2016. The Gophers played a true night game in Lincoln that year in November, and IIRC Michigan at Iowa in 2018 was a night game.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 02:20:55 PM
I enjoyed that Gopher game in Lincoln

also had an enjoyable night game vs Sparty in November
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 02:58:41 PM
Where are you seeing conference schedules for 2023?

Also, the no-night-game-in-November meme has been dead since at least 2016. The Gophers played a true night game in Lincoln that year in November, and IIRC Michigan at Iowa in 2018 was a night game.
Don't have them yet, but if the wonks in Chicago do the right thing, OSU will play in Madison next year.

As for the night games, that's only for the first week (or two for certain schools like Maryland and UNL as I understand it).
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 03:05:30 PM
UNL loves night games

good for recruiting

morning games suck
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: LetsGoPeay on October 24, 2022, 03:27:33 PM
I've learned that IU is worse than I imagined they would be. My ceiling for them was 5-7 and that included a semi-upset of someone. We got that with the Illinois game but didn't really know it at the time. They won't win another game this year making Tom Allen 5-19 in the last two years with 1 conference win. We are about to have the portal taketh away in a major way. Allen won't be going anywhere for at least one year and most likely two. This ship is sinking quickly and will soon be back to Gerry DiNardo type levels. IU hasn't gotten into the NIL game for football and given the historic apathy with which the administration has regarded the program, and continues to do so, there isn't a lot of hope on the horizon. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 04:37:58 PM
I've learned that IU is worse than I imagined they would be. My ceiling for them was 5-7 and that included a semi-upset of someone. We got that with the Illinois game but didn't really know it at the time. They won't win another game this year making Tom Allen 5-19 in the last two years with 1 conference win. We are about to have the portal taketh away in a major way. Allen won't be going anywhere for at least one year and most likely two. This ship is sinking quickly and will soon be back to Gerry DiNardo type levels. IU hasn't gotten into the NIL game for football and given the historic apathy with which the administration has regarded the program, and continues to do so, there isn't a lot of hope on the horizon.
How has IU gone from being so promising to so bleak in such a short amount of time? I don't get it.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 05:03:43 PM
Per Sagrin, it is Iowa.

Michigan's opponents ranked by Sagrin:
  • 14 PSU, beat by 24
  • 42 Iowa, beat by 13
  • 46 Maryland, beat by 7
  • 83 Indiana, beat by 21
  • 140 CoSy, beat by 44
  • 145 UCONN, beat by 59
  • 158 Hawaii, beat by 46

I always assert that flukes happen because they do. Pick any team and year and I'll show you a game where their performance was way off from their normal for the year.

That does leave open the possibility that Michigan's blowout over PSU was simply a fluke and if you take that away you are left with . . . not much.

That said, you can do that with about any team to "prove" whatever you want to "prove".
RE: Iowa and Maryland....Michigan was up 20 on the road in Kinnick when Iowa scored a garbage time TD with about 8 seconds left in the game to make that score look closer than it actually was. Michigan was in prevent and playing back-ups- that last TD was against the 2nd team defense. Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40 in the 4th QTR trying to run up the score and get his guys the hypseman or look secksi for the polls. And Maryland scored their last TD down 15 with 43 seconds left in the game. Final scores and stats can be deceiving. Neither one of those games were ever in jeopardy and don't think they ever trailed at one point in any of those games. In fact I think @Indiana and Penn State at home were the only games all year where they trailed for any portions of any games.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 05:06:20 PM
I agree, but I think it is possible Michigan looks shiny because of schedule.  That was of course an impressive win over PSU.  Their second most impressive win is ... Maryland?  Of course, I can similarly pick apart anyone's schedule at this point.

We could still learn that one or two of the current top ten teams end up fading pretty quickly.
could say the same thing about Georgia and Tennessee. Georgia's win in Week 0 vs Oregon was insanely impressive- and then since then been whole lot of meh. Georgia nearly lost to freaking Missouri man. Ditto Tennessee. They beat Bama and....who? Took them double OT to beat an ass Pitt team that was playing it's back-up QB. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 05:15:45 PM
" Of course, I can similarly pick apart anyone's schedule at this point."

As I noted.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 05:18:32 PM
I've been surprised and highly impressed with Michigan's ability to reload.

Here is 247's roster talent composite:
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

I don't go as in-depth as @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , but when I assess teams preseason I more-or-less do this mental calculation:

  • Last year's final ranking
  • Adjust for losses to transfer/graduation/NFL relative to average
  • Adjust for available talent to replace losses
  • Adjust for specific losses


Step 3 is basically the team talent composite from above. I expect Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State to "reload" rather than "rebuild" because they have boatloads of talent on campus. Michigan, however, is all the way down at #14 so I expect that to be more of a struggle for them.

When Michigan beat Ohio State last year I was able to console myself with some relevant facts:

  • 2021 was Michigan's best team in a generation, and
  • 2021 Michigan was a highly experienced team, and
  • 2021 was, by recent standards, somewhat of an off-year for Ohio State, and
  • 2021 Ohio State was a very young team

Based on the above, I made the reasonable assumptions that Michigan would take a hit with more than average turnover and that both tOSU and Michigan would regress toward their respective means and since Ohio State's recent (pre 2021) mean was a LOT better than Michigan's, I thought/hoped that tOSU would be substantially better than Michigan in 2022.

At this point in the season I no longer feel confident about that. I still had tOSU at #1 in our Power Rankings last week because I do still think that they look better but there is not a substantial gap. It is basically a coin-flip difference.


Michigan's apparent ability to "reload" has surprised me.
I'd take those talent composite rankings with a high grain of salt. good to look at- and they provide a decent measuring stick- but not nearly the end all be all. Maybe we all should have seen them being better coming. 

Michigan hasn't had OL & DL coaching this good in a looooong time. And that's where the game is won and lost. They are better up front on both lines of scrimmage. The transfer Oluwatimi might be the best center in all of college football- and he was a 2* recruit. He is SIGNIFICANTLY better their starting center Andrew Vastardis last year. They returned their veteran LT Hayes and their LG and RG- who were both really good All-Conference caliber guards in their first year starting last year.

They got their #1 WR back in Ronnie Bell- who missed all of last year- they upgraded at QB in McCarthy (who was an OMG 5 STARZ in that composite by the way) - and no offense to Haskins but Corum and Edwards are both more talented and bring more to the table to an offense. Haskins is slowwwwwwww. Corum and Edwards are both home run hitters- and Edwards ability as a route runner and pass catcher is downright freakish for a RB.

I figured they'd miss Hutchinson A LOT but they are actually better and deeper in the front 7 this year. And they are better in the middle at DT. Talking about this "composite team ranking" - well Eyabi Okie was an OMG 5 STARZ and Derrick Moore was a top 50 player in the nation and Under Amour All-American Game MVP, and Braiden McGregor was a top 100 player in the nation - and those 3 dudes are rotational players/back-ups at EDGE. Their #3 CB - Will Johnson was an OMG 5 STARZ as well- and he's played a lot and looked really good. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: LittlePig on October 24, 2022, 05:24:16 PM
Where are you seeing conference schedules for 2023?

Also, the no-night-game-in-November meme has been dead since at least 2016. The Gophers played a true night game in Lincoln that year in November, and IIRC Michigan at Iowa in 2018 was a night game.
Michigan at Iowa was in 2016 and was a night game on Nov 12, 2016.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 05:27:58 PM
that Danny Kannell is still a moron and Joel Klatt (someone I have no love for) is his daddy...

https://twitter.com/joelklatt/status/1584627079689408512?s=20&t=VGR5T4QFL9biR_Mw9keGLg
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 24, 2022, 05:40:54 PM
RE: Iowa and Maryland....Michigan was up 20 on the road in Kinnick when Iowa scored a garbage time TD with about 8 seconds left in the game to make that score look closer than it actually was. Michigan was in prevent and playing back-ups- that last TD was against the 2nd team defense. Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40 in the 4th QTR trying to run up the score and get his guys the hypseman
I'm getting tired of you ignoring facts that aren't conducive to your argument.

Do you know who else scored a garbage time TD in Kinnick on October 1? That would be your Wolverines. I'll refresh your memory:
Ok fine, eliminate garbage time TD"s, Michigan won by 13, 20-7.

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: utee94 on October 24, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
I like Klatt.  He's a welcome and refreshing anti-ESPIN viewpoint.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 06:15:35 PM
I'm a as big as a Buckeye fan as you'll find but today he spent like 17 minutes on the OSU out of 42.Must be trying to counter Finebaum/Danielson on Shilling for a conference/program
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 06:19:40 PM
  • Michigan got the ball at the Iowa 28 while leading by 13 (20-7) with just over two minutes to go. They could have taken three knees and gone home with a 13 point win (20-7) or put in their backups. Per your post quoted above, Harbaugh doesn't leave starters in so some scrub backup named Blake Corum ran three times for 28 yards for a TD with just over one minute to go.
:D For more creative license go to MGOBLOG
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 06:28:25 PM
I'm a as big as a Buckeye fan as you'll find but today he spent like 17 minutes on the OSU out of 42.Must be trying to counter Finebaum/Danielson on Shilling for a conference/program
Fox has to pump up it's product that it's invested billions of dollars into: B1G and Disney has to pump up it's product that it's invested billions of dollars into: SEC. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 06:36:49 PM
Is UNC the most over ranked team?  TCU>??  Clemson?

Who among the top 20 will finish out of the rankings, badly?
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 06:43:20 PM
Is UNC the most over ranked team?  TCU>??  Clemson?

Who among the top 20 will finish out of the rankings, badly?
I think the problem is that once you get past OSU/UGA which imo are in Tier 1 and then there's a little bit of a drop off and there's Tier 2 of MICH/BAMA/TENN and then there's a pretty big drop off to Tier 3 #6-15- like you can make arguments for a bunch of teams 6-15.

Clemson is ranked 5th or 6th right now- and they might be the most overrated. SP+ has Clemson like 14th or 15th right now, and they just had to bench their upperclassmen QB in the middle of the 3rd QTR at home to squeak out a 6 pt win vs Syracuse- Clemson honestly hasn't played great all year and they've had a pretty easy schedule and the ACC is honestly god awful. It's the B1G West of the CFB conferences.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 06:44:44 PM
I'm not yet convinced UGA is an "elite" team.  Of course I wasn't convinced last year either.

There is a lot of football yet to be played, and one bad game can send a good team home.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 06:50:35 PM
I'm not yet convinced UGA is an "elite" team.  Of course I wasn't convinced last year either.

There is a lot of football yet to be played, and one bad game can send a good team home.
Yeah, well I am. Oregon is a pretty good team. And UGA absolutely destroyed Oregon. Made them look like a high school team. Stetson Bennett is A LOT better than any of us thought he was- and he's an even better player now than he was last year when he lead UGA to the 'chip. UGA had 2 weeks in a row where they played down to poor competition and didn't live up to expectations- probably should've even lost to Mizzou- but they didn't. Since then they've went back to murdering bad teams the last 2 weeks. And that's what the great teams do- they murder the teams they're suppose to. The only real test they have left is Tennessee and that game is in Athens and Tennessee doesn't play defense. Georgia does.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2022, 06:51:52 PM
They have games at UK and at Miss State as well as hosting Tenn.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 06:55:10 PM
They have games at UK and at Miss State as well as hosting Tenn.
Miss State? Really? Georgia will destroy them. Miss State is basically redneck Maryland. Kentucky is a fraud and complete pretender. Already mentioned the Tennessee game, that's their only real test left. And that one is at home and Georgia plays really good defense. Tennessee doesn't. Give me the home team that plays great defense.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 07:03:27 PM
how about #10 ranked WAKE FOREST DEMON DEACONS?

They're best win appears to be over FSU 

they have 3 ranked teams on the rest of their schedule
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 08:48:57 PM
I like Klatt.  He's a welcome and refreshing anti-ESPIN viewpoint.
I'm not the biggest fan of his, but man he looks like a genius compared to someone like Danny Kannell or Joey Galloway or Desmond Howard lol. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 09:07:48 PM
he looks like a genius compared to someone like Danny Kannell or Joey Galloway or Desmond Howard lol.
we all do
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: bayareabadger on October 24, 2022, 09:21:37 PM
Yeah, well I am. Oregon is a pretty good team. And UGA absolutely destroyed Oregon. Made them look like a high school team. Stetson Bennett is A LOT better than any of us thought he was- and he's an even better player now than he was last year when he lead UGA to the 'chip. UGA had 2 weeks in a row where they played down to poor competition and didn't live up to expectations- probably should've even lost to Mizzou- but they didn't. Since then they've went back to murdering bad teams the last 2 weeks. And that's what the great teams do- they murder the teams they're suppose to. The only real test they have left is Tennessee and that game is in Athens and Tennessee doesn't play defense. Georgia does.
Georgia is interesting because they’ve had a few stretches where they play like butt, Plus their receiver depth is more athletic potential than actual output at this point and their running game isn’t really “control the game” quality.

I hate to say it, because I generally dislike Smart, but their offense is really fun in a quirky way.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2022, 08:09:59 AM
It’s a Todd moncken offense 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 25, 2022, 08:30:42 AM
Todd rumored to be in Lincoln for an interview
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 11:30:52 AM
Georgia is interesting because they’ve had a few stretches where they play like butt, Plus their receiver depth is more athletic potential than actual output at this point and their running game isn’t really “control the game” quality.

I hate to say it, because I generally dislike Smart, but their offense is really fun in a quirky way.
yeah their offense is really different, fun to watch. you don't really see very many other teams doing the stuff they do. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2022, 11:34:37 AM
They don't appear unique to me.  They pass more than many think.  
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2022, 11:53:45 AM
2022 Preseason Football Polls | College Poll Archive (http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=1202)

Polling misses:

Notre Dame #5

A&M #6

Oklahoma #9

Tennessee #26

Miami #16

Pitt #17

Wisconsin #18

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 11:54:00 AM
They don't appear unique to me.  They pass more than many think. 
can't say I've ever seen a TE reverse or jet sweep til UGA did it....they seem to feature the TEs and RBs into the passing game A LOT more than most college teams. It's pretty cool to be honest.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2022, 12:04:17 PM
The Dawgs two starting wide receivers have been injured most of the season.  Moncken has had to adjust for that.  And yes, they try and get their TEs involved more than most teams.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on October 25, 2022, 12:25:36 PM
With the quality of tight ends UGA has, I would involve them as much as possible. They have at least 2 TE's that are already good enough to be playing on Sunday. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: FearlessF on October 25, 2022, 12:54:18 PM
a good O-coordinator will find ways to get the ball into the hands of the best playmakers

if that is the TE, so be it.

Stoopid Keith Jackson of the 1980's Sooners
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2022, 01:00:39 PM
The Dawgs got burned so often with circle routes I think Todd decided to try them himself, and they have some RBs who catch the ball well.

Some of their passing yardage is a one foot forward toss on that jet sweep.

I personally still have Ohio State at the top, not that it matters.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 25, 2022, 04:29:44 PM
I'm crying with you Hawkeyes.  

https://twitter.com/ralphDrussoAP/status/1584592188964487170
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 25, 2022, 04:37:33 PM
I begin to wonder if NIL can tear a team apart and be a negative ...
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
I begin to wonder if NIL can tear a team apart and be a negative ...
as many pro sports franchises have learned the hard way- can't buy W's and 'chips by simply buying up talent and throwing around cash. A&M is learning that the hard way right now. Think Texas is a little bit too.

Ok State DC on Texas...(Texas star RB Bijan Robinson has an NIL deal with an Austin Lamborghini dealership)

https://twitter.com/Sam_Hutchens_/status/1584009680879120385?s=20&t=F8lJR-6tdn-yxt7kld4kDg
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 04:45:28 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1584971049782939685?s=20&t=32ay-fOpwINvkUIYEbdEUA
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: utee94 on October 25, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
as many pro sports franchises have learned the hard way- can't buy W's and 'chips by simply buying up talent and throwing around cash. A&M is learning that the hard way right now. Think Texas is a little bit too.

Ok State DC on Texas...(Texas star RB Bijan Robinson has an NIL deal with an Austin Lamborghini dealership)

https://twitter.com/Sam_Hutchens_/status/1584009680879120385?s=20&t=F8lJR-6tdn-yxt7kld4kDg
I don't think Texas is learning anything other than what we already knew-- Sarkisian is an average (or worse) head football coach.  

And I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Bijan, that he's somehow loafing it or something, due to his NIL deal with a car dealership that gets him access to a leased Lamborghini?  He's the #6 rusher in the nation behind what we know to be a bad offensive line.  If that's evidence of the negative effects of NIL, then there are about 113 schools around the country that would love to be suffering some negative NIL effects right about now.

By most accounts, Ohio State and Oregon have the most advanced NIL programs in place.  Are they suffering as a result?

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 05:52:54 PM
I don't think Texas is learning anything other than what we already knew-- Sarkisian is an average (or worse) head football coach. 

And I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Bijan, that he's somehow loafing it or something, due to his NIL deal with a car dealership that gets him access to a leased Lamborghini?  He's the #6 rusher in the nation behind what we know to be a bad offensive line.  If that's evidence of the negative effects of NIL, then there are about 113 schools around the country that would love to be suffering some negative NIL effects right about now.

By most accounts, Ohio State and Oregon have the most advanced NIL programs in place.  Are they suffering as a result?
Bijan is awesome, don't think he's loafing it at all. Not really trying to pick on him. He's great. Just think that OkSt DC might have a point. I've also heard that Ewers has a deal with Porsche dealership. Just feel like maybe 18-20 year old college kids driving around in freaking Lambo's and Porsche's before they've really earned that or done anything might not work out for teams in the long run. Maybe it does create a softness or sense of entitlement. Idk. Speaking of the bad OL...didn't some booster fund set up an NIL deal for Texas OL's? 

You're right though, maybe I am looking into this way too much. And you're also right...the biggest issue for Texas is probably the head coach. I've watched 3 Texas games this year- even went to one. That team is loaded with future NFL talent. You can see it especially when you're up close and personal. They shouldn't be dropping games to Texas Tech and Oklahoma State when they for sure 100% have more future Sunday players on their roster. That all boils down to coaching. Sark didn't earn his nickname "7 win Sark" for nothing.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 05:55:21 PM
speaking of A&M....sounds like a bunch of players might be hitting the portal...

https://twitter.com/kloveaggs/status/1584758337757130752?s=20&t=wJMIAbZ0xk8gXv-5_vzXOQ
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: utee94 on October 25, 2022, 06:11:56 PM
 Sark didn't earn his nickname "7 win Sark" for nothing.
Sigh.  Sad but true.  Although given that he went 5-7 last year, we should probably count ourselves lucky if he gets to 7 wins this year...

Bijan is by pretty much all accounts a really good dude, he's clearly dedicated to the game and he could have portaled out already if he wanted.  I don't think the NIL is affecting his play and I don't see any evidence that it could be bothering his teammates.  They know he's a badass and deserves what he earns.

I don't know much about Ewers but he'd already earned a million-plus in NIL money trading solely on his name when he went to Ohio State.  It's possible that a money/arrogance thing is working there, but at times he's played quite well, and on Saturday he played like total crap and missed a ton of open receivers.  Who knows?

Re: UT offensive line-- yes there's a pretty nice NIL deal in place for them, which guarantees a minimum of $50K/year and in some cases can pay up to $150K/year-- but this is the first year of it being in effect, so all of the recruits who were brought in with it, are true freshmen this year and many redshirting. You know a lot about football so I'm sure you know that o-line is the position it usually takes the longest to become a contributor.  So while it's CURRENTLY still a crappy oline, there's hope in the future of it improving.  Unless of course they all portal out because Sarkisian is still a less-than-optimal head coach.

OkState is a good team, they were slated to beat us all season long, it was only a one-score loss and the game went into the 4th quarter with Texas actually leading by a score, on the road, in a fairly hostile environment.  So on the face, it's not the worst loss ever.  The problem is, that we WERE up by a score, then gave away 2 unanswered TDs in the 4th, to lose the game.  If you look back over Sark's losses at UT over the past two years, this is an extremely disturbing pattern.  And THAT'S the real problem with his coaching.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 25, 2022, 06:29:52 PM
speaking of A&M....sounds like a bunch of players might be hitting the portal...

https://twitter.com/kloveaggs/status/1584758337757130752?s=20&t=wJMIAbZ0xk8gXv-5_vzXOQ
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Anybody who saw that opening kickoff return of 100 yards wouldn’t be surprised that the players were smoking pot before the game. It was a total lack of finishing and apathy. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 06:34:42 PM
with all the money A&M and Texas has....and with all that damn talent in the state of Texas, for the life of me I cannot figure out why neither program can get it together and hire the right coach.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 25, 2022, 06:48:58 PM
I’m not ready to throw the towel in on Jimbo just yet. I’ve been on the coaching carousel, 5 times. I was reflecting recently that I’ve been following the Aggies since my freshman year, 1996, and I’ve always maintained that there is no reason why we can’t win big here. But what I e come to realize, after watching various other programs fall, rise, fall, and rise again is that it’s always going to be hard to win here. 

Nobody can really tell you why, other than the fact that we’re not in that top ten of all time club. 

Some of it is because of the conference and opponents we face now ( SEC West), some is because of poor choices in coaches ( Fran, Sherman), some will say it’s luck. 

If you consider 20 years to be a generation, I’m approximately 1/3 the way thru my fandom and the first five were without a doubt the best. 1998 is the best year we had, and still finished with 3 losses.  All to great teams,  but still pretty pathetic. 2020 was a close 2nd, and perhaps we were robbed due to COVID and the playoff committee.  

I’m working on my second generation of fandom, and things aren’t great. But I’ve been there, everybody just wants to blow the whole thing up and get the hottest name in sports, this OC or that one. Honestly, I just say fuck it, and let it play out, unless Jimbo quits on he team. As long as he’s doing his part, getting to work early, staying late, recruiting well I’m good with the growing pains. 

Besides, there no way we could even buy him out for at least 3-4 more years. So he’ll be there, until he’s not. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 25, 2022, 06:53:04 PM
But it’s still hard to win here, and chances of getting the next Dabo, and not getting the next Tom Herman, aren’t good. Because there’s a whole lot of Herman’s, and not many Dabos. 

I specifically mentioned Dabo because he has taken a program similar to ours and has consistently won big.  
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 08:11:51 PM
But it’s still hard to win here, and chances of getting the next Dabo, and not getting the next Tom Herman, aren’t good. Because there’s a whole lot of Herman’s, and not many Dabos.

I specifically mentioned Dabo because he has taken a program similar to ours and has consistently won big. 
there are probably only two sure things in coaching. One of them ain't leaving Bama. The other works for Fox. IF A&M really wants to win- they'll back up the Brinks truck to Urban Meyer's doorstep. Not sure Urbs ever coaches again though. He might be done for good.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MarqHusker on October 25, 2022, 08:52:35 PM
before they do that, they' have to heist another Brink's trunk and deliver it to Jimbo.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 25, 2022, 08:56:33 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1584971049782939685?s=20&t=32ay-fOpwINvkUIYEbdEUA
Don't be surprised if the IRS comes calling with that confession
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: utee94 on October 25, 2022, 11:41:46 PM
before they do that, they' have to heist another Brink's trunk and deliver it to Jimbo.
Yeah, the ags are stuck with Fisher for another 5 years minimum and honestly it's more like 7 or 8.  The Horns can fire Sarkisian next year.  Neither option is particularly good for either team, but that's what happens when you make the wrong coaching hire.

And, honestly, what would have been the RIGHT coaching hire for either team?  Throw in your Huskers on that question too.  It sounds easy but it's not, at all.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 06:22:46 AM
Yeah, the ags are stuck with Fisher for another 5 years minimum and honestly it's more like 7 or 8.  The Horns can fire Sarkisian next year.  Neither option is particularly good for either team, but that's what happens when you make the wrong coaching hire.

And, honestly, what would have been the RIGHT coaching hire for either team?  Throw in your Huskers on that question too.  It sounds easy but it's not, at all.
Exactly this, and this is exactly why I want my school to hire the interim coach.

He's been there for 6 years now. He played there. He loves Wisconsin football. He loves Madison. He's 39.

Time to take the tag off.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: bayareabadger on October 26, 2022, 08:09:46 AM
Jimbo has managed the rare buyout that does its job. 

I’m also amused by all of it. 
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 26, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
This model of getting a highly paid coach successful somewhere else with a long term contract and NIL recruiting might not work often as it does, if it ever does.  $$$$$$$

It reminds me a bit of throwing money at climate change and expecting a result.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 26, 2022, 10:03:42 AM
Mot disappointing team vs expectations?

Oklahoma
A&M
Wisconsin
Iowa
Florida
Eastern Michigan
???

I'd go with A&M.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 10:07:33 AM
Mot disappointing team vs expectations?

Oklahoma
A&M
Wisconsin
Iowa
Florida
Eastern Michigan
???

I'd go with A&M.
You could throw Notre Dame up there- they were pre-season ranked 5th. 

But to me it's A&M and it's not even close imo. Jimbo with the $100mil contract plus they just had "the #1 'crootin' class EVER!" on paper and 247Sports does a list of the "team talent rankings" - which is just a list of teams with the most highly rated 'croots- and A&M was like 3rd or 4th on the list....and they suck....again. 

Billy Napier is still in year 1 at Florida. He needs more time. Oklahoma lost it's head coach and tons of players to the portal including it's starting QB and are breaking in a first time head coach. Iowa and Wisconsin don't get the kind of talent A&M has been getting. 

Yeah, it's A&M by a MILE for most disappointing.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 10:09:32 AM
Jimbo has managed the rare buyout that does its job.

I’m also amused by all of it.
yeah it's highly entertaining. Harbs has had a lot more success at Michigan than Jimbo has had at A&M. Think that's fair to say. And Michigan never gave him that sorta mega deal with a crazy buyout which made it impossible to fire him. In fact- they made him take a pay cut after that disastrous COVID year.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 10:10:33 AM
This model of getting a highly paid coach successful somewhere else with a long term contract and NIL recruiting might not work often as it does, if it ever does.  $$$$$$$

It reminds me a bit of throwing money at climate change and expecting a result.
kinda reminds me of all those years the Yankees were just spending stupid money to try and buy a 'chip and it never worked. Just throwing truckloads of money at a problem rarely if ever works.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 26, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
 Anybody who saw that opening kickoff return of 100 yards wouldn’t be surprised that the players were smoking pot before the game.
(https://media.tenor.com/sgndDyUUcd4AAAAC/cheech-and-chong-high.gif)
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 11:37:45 AM
SOURCE: Bryan Harsin is telling players that want to redshirt that they must enter the transfer portal or quit the team - Sports Illustrated Auburn Tigers News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/source-bryan-harsin-is-telling-players-that-want-to-redshirt-that-they-must-enter-the-transfer-portal-or-quit-the-team)


Unreal if true.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 26, 2022, 11:47:05 AM
Harsin might be the current HC with the most, um, baggage and negativism.

Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 26, 2022, 11:50:48 AM
SOURCE: Bryan Harsin is telling players that want to redshirt that they must enter the transfer portal or quit the team - Sports Illustrated Auburn Tigers News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/source-bryan-harsin-is-telling-players-that-want-to-redshirt-that-they-must-enter-the-transfer-portal-or-quit-the-team)


Unreal if true.
Ya kids have options now and talk like that and they'll use them - DUMB,really,really dumb.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 11:52:15 AM
SOURCE: Bryan Harsin is telling players that want to redshirt that they must enter the transfer portal or quit the team - Sports Illustrated Auburn Tigers News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/source-bryan-harsin-is-telling-players-that-want-to-redshirt-that-they-must-enter-the-transfer-portal-or-quit-the-team)


Unreal if true.
seems like a desperation move...and not a great look. he's got to know his days are numbered.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: GopherRock on October 26, 2022, 11:55:04 AM
SOURCE: Bryan Harsin is telling players that want to redshirt that they must enter the transfer portal or quit the team - Sports Illustrated Auburn Tigers News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/source-bryan-harsin-is-telling-players-that-want-to-redshirt-that-they-must-enter-the-transfer-portal-or-quit-the-team)


Unreal if true.
Sounds like a bad case of "If I'm going to get fired, I'm burning the house down on my way out"
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 12:03:52 PM
Sounds like a bad case of "If I'm going to get fired, I'm burning the house down on my way out"
Yep.

And who are they gonna get? There is no stability at that place right now.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Cincydawg on October 26, 2022, 12:05:43 PM
Auburn needs to try an assistant coach, probably an OC, give him a 3-4 year contract and hope for the best.  I hear they are looking at that dude at J State.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 12:08:56 PM
probably should've never fired Malzhan. they fired him for not being Alabama or Georgia. newsflash: no one is Alabama or Georgia.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 12:18:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sOmik7j.png)
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 12:23:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sOmik7j.png)
man Michigan's schedule looks soft next year. OOC slate is awful once again. They skip Iowa and Wisconsin and they get Ohio State at home. Have to go to Penn State and Michigan State- but that schedule looks very manageable....once again. Wish they'd have played someone with a pulse OOC like Texas or Florida.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 12:43:19 PM
They have an error on UW's schedule. They play at WSU - not Washington.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: MrNubbz on October 26, 2022, 12:54:01 PM
man Michigan's schedule looks soft next year. OOC slate is awful once again. They skip Iowa and Wisconsin and they get Ohio State at home. Have to go to Penn State and Michigan State- but that schedule looks very manageable....once again. Wish they'd have played someone with a pulse OOC like Texas or Florida.
They'll get their's at the end of November don't you worry your little heart 😈
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 02:13:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Travis_L_Brown/status/1585317347061108737?s=20&t=uTn7H7KjNNdS94VvPa_cOQ
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 02:23:53 PM
That guy is good for zingers.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Gigem on October 26, 2022, 02:24:17 PM
https://twitter.com/Travis_L_Brown/status/1585317347061108737?s=20&t=uTn7H7KjNNdS94VvPa_cOQ
Coming from the guy who left as a HC at a blue chip program after 1 season to take a better job.  
Uh huh...
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 02:24:51 PM
Coming from the guy who left as a HC at a blue chip program after 1 season to take a better job. 
Uh huh...
Lane is not nothing if he's not entertaining. Have to give him that.
Title: Re: What are a few things you've learned thus far in the season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
And Ole Miss goes to aTm this weekend, yes?

I might change my pick now.