Maryland is 6-2, with two close losses. They still have PSu and OSU ahead.And in two weeks, they will be in Madison.
Rutgers is 4-3 after a 4 game skid followed by the win over Indiana. They could make a bowl, but tough games ahead.
There are some obvious things of course, like Ohio State has a good offense. The top teams are mostly the same as preseason polls had them except for Tennessee. Teams in the preseaon top ten that have dropped hard include Notre Dame, A&M, Oklahoma, and Baylor. The second ten had some drop hard as well, Miami, Pitt, Wisconsin, Arkansas.I think I've learned that Marcus Freeman might be in over his head at Notre Dame- for a really young guy who has never been a head coach and barely a co-ordinator to take over a job like that- tough thing to do, that Jimbo continues to outright FLEECE A&M for $100 mil, and that Oklahoma might've hired the wrong guy.
So, about 40% of the preseason top 20 at this point don't look very good at all. LSU will get some notice now. Clemson won't play another ranked team in the regular season now. So, the playoffs may be shaping up?
Clemson
Ohio State - Michigan winner
Alabama - UGA - Tenn winner
TCU??? One of the above? Oregon?
And in two weeks, they will be in Madison.They were playing their back-up QB. And to be fair, Wisconsin hasn't looked that good all season save for maybe two games. If Taulia is back I think they'll have a legit shot to beat an improving but not great Wisconsin team. Bad Graham Mertz still lurks around the corner everywhere. He giveth and he taketh away.
UMD didn't look all that good yesterday - at home against NU.
The Kelly experiment at LSU is interesting. I usually don't judge a coach after half a season except for obvious stuff. USC certainly looks the part but is that due to coaching or did they finally really get some solid talent again? ND/OU could be the reverse of that, not sure at all. The QB is such a pivotal position.Kelly is a really good coach, he's just an awful recruiter. He hates it. This was well documented at ND. If you look, ND's recruiting took off with Freeman at the helm. But....Freeman isn't the coach Kelly is. I think Kelly will work out so long as he keeps awesome recruiters on his staff. Dude would honestly probably be a better fit in the NFL where he'd never have to recruit. But the only problem is he can't turn purple and scream at grown ass men in the NFL. They'd tell him to F off. So maybe he has to stick to college. But the dude can coach. He just doesn't get the talent needed to win big. He hates recruiting.
I think we can start to judge Jimbo. Maybe next year he HAS to do something?
They were playing their back-up QB. And to be fair, Wisconsin hasn't looked that good all season save for maybe two games. If Taulia is back I think they'll have a legit shot to beat an improving but not great Wisconsin team. Bad Graham Mertz still lurks around the corner everywhere. He giveth and he taketh away.I think UW has turned the corner. Mertz too. We'll see in two weeks, in Madison.
The Kelly experiment at LSU is interesting. I usually don't judge a coach after half a season except for obvious stuff. USC certainly looks the part but is that due to coaching or did they finally really get some solid talent again? ND/OU could be the reverse of that, not sure at all. The QB is such a pivotal position.Muleshoe took some good talent with him, thanks to the portal
I think we can start to judge Jimbo. Maybe next year he HAS to do something?
I'm thinking USCe takes down Clemson this year. I'm not putting money on it, but i got that weird vibe that USCe is waking up and shaping up to be a spoiler. Theyre beginning to play cohesively and in tune.could definitely see that, Clemson hasn't exactly been world beaters and they've escaped a couple they could've and should've lost.
Offensive leaders thus far in total yards:Georgia isn’t sexy or flashy. They run the ball really well and they have insane TE talent. Guess you can say that offense is Patriots-esque back when Pats transitioned away from Moss & Welker and to throwing primarily to Gronk & Hernandez.
1. Tennessee
2. UGA
3. TCU
4. Ohio State
5. Oregon
One of those is a surprise.
Who here has had a good look at Illinois? Who here predicted they would do this well?Sure as hell not kharma and UW just might have found a Head Coach.Hopefully they can pry Brian Ferentz from Iowa as the Buckeyes play at The Camp next year
re: Jimbo....they ran Sumlin outta town...gave Jimbo a $100mil contract and $30 mil in NIL money to buy players....and they still suck LOL. And Jimbo suppose to be an "offensive guru" and "QB whisperer" uhm.....C'mon, do you really believe the bullshit that we spent $30 million on NIL? And if we did, do you really think that A&M has the richest and largest alumni base that we could outspend all the other major programs? No doubt NIL played a part in it, but stop repeating bulletin board bullshit anonymous lies.
https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1584020928438358016?s=20&t=T8wdweORLCBDMX83RnLGNQ
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1584024719183208448?s=20&t=wu4xEzgWcUNQirftzvkWjg
Georgia isn’t sexy or flashy. They run the ball really well and they have insane TE talent. Guess you can say that offense is Patriots-esque back when Pats transitioned away from Moss & Welker and to throwing primarily to Gronk & Hernandez.The are No. 7 in the nation in passing yards, and something like 29th running. This stat can be skewed of course by how many games are blowouts fairly early and the team ahead just runs clock.
SEC bias in the polls is real.well at this point they've earned it. SEC has been by far the best conference over the last 15 years or so.
College football games are really long.Especially when you're waiting to watch your team while SMU and Cincy play a 4+ hour game.
Who here has had a good look at Illinois? Who here predicted they would do this well?I knew Bert would get them competitive but he's a year early for me.
Sure as hell not kharma and UW just might have found a Head Coach.Hopefully they can pry Brian Ferentz from Iowa as the Buckeyes play at The Camp next yearI can just about guarantee you that OSU will not play in Madison next year.
I knew Bert would get them competitive but he's a year early for me.That was also my thought on Illinois. They're a year ahead of schedule.
I knew Bert would get them competitive but he's a year early for me.More than a year evidently he's learned after making a mess of a coaching situation and an ass of himself.Every one deserves a 2nd chance.Maybe the Illini also have more talent than believed or he's just making it fun and they are responding in kind.I hope they win out :cheer: ;D.Helps the Buckeyes SoS
I can just about guarantee you that OSU will not play in Madison next year.Sorry didn't look with UW playing here a month ago thought we'd be going there next season
C'mon, do you really believe the bullshit that we spent $30 million on NIL? And if we did, do you really think that A&M has the richest and largest alumni base that we could outspend all the other major programs?Well in his defense Texans love football and there is a shit load of oil money and other sources there.And Military people are well connected so there's that.It's more about Fisher though,he comes across the wrong way. And Fisher really didn't do a whole lot at FSU except when Jamais was there
Well in his defense Texans love football and there is a shit load of oil money and other sources there.And Military people are well connected so there's that.It's more about Fisher though,he comes across the wrong way. And Fisher really didn't do a whole lot at FSU except when Jamais was thereFalse. Fisher had a very good record before and after Jameis came on board.
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Warren enjoys bridge. He partners with Bill Gates on occasion.there's gotta be a booster of substance that can take some money from Warren playing cards and then hand it to Trev and the Athletic Dept.
Berkshire would do well to open up the purse and give BNSF employees what they want.Does Devilfroggy drive for them?
Too bad none of the Ricketts family went to UNL I guess?father Joe, Creighton in Omaha
Does Devilfroggy drive for them?At one point he did, not sure if he still does.
Kenneth Walker probably should have won the Heisman last yearBryce was a pretty deserving winner, but seeing what KW is already doing in the NFL and how bad MSU looks running the ball and how inept that offense looks without him- yeah he should've been runner up at worst and had serious consideration to be the winner. Not sure one team counted on one guy more than MSU did him.
I can just about guarantee you that OSU will not play in Madison next year.I take this back. Sounds like divisions will stay one more year before UCLA and USC come.
I take this back. Sounds like divisions will stay one more year before UCLA and USC come.we play a few night games in November in Lincoln, but we're down south where's it's warm
If that's the case, OSU will play in Madison.
And it will be in November so it can't be a night game...
I agree, but I think it is possible Michigan looks shiny because of schedule. That was of course an impressive win over PSU. Their second most impressive win is ... Maryland?Per Sagrin, it is Iowa.
I take this back. Sounds like divisions will stay one more year before UCLA and USC come.Where are you seeing conference schedules for 2023?
If that's the case, OSU will play in Madison.
And it will be in November so it can't be a night game...
Where are you seeing conference schedules for 2023?Don't have them yet, but if the wonks in Chicago do the right thing, OSU will play in Madison next year.
Also, the no-night-game-in-November meme has been dead since at least 2016. The Gophers played a true night game in Lincoln that year in November, and IIRC Michigan at Iowa in 2018 was a night game.
I've learned that IU is worse than I imagined they would be. My ceiling for them was 5-7 and that included a semi-upset of someone. We got that with the Illinois game but didn't really know it at the time. They won't win another game this year making Tom Allen 5-19 in the last two years with 1 conference win. We are about to have the portal taketh away in a major way. Allen won't be going anywhere for at least one year and most likely two. This ship is sinking quickly and will soon be back to Gerry DiNardo type levels. IU hasn't gotten into the NIL game for football and given the historic apathy with which the administration has regarded the program, and continues to do so, there isn't a lot of hope on the horizon.How has IU gone from being so promising to so bleak in such a short amount of time? I don't get it.
Per Sagrin, it is Iowa.RE: Iowa and Maryland....Michigan was up 20 on the road in Kinnick when Iowa scored a garbage time TD with about 8 seconds left in the game to make that score look closer than it actually was. Michigan was in prevent and playing back-ups- that last TD was against the 2nd team defense. Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40 in the 4th QTR trying to run up the score and get his guys the hypseman or look secksi for the polls. And Maryland scored their last TD down 15 with 43 seconds left in the game. Final scores and stats can be deceiving. Neither one of those games were ever in jeopardy and don't think they ever trailed at one point in any of those games. In fact I think @Indiana and Penn State at home were the only games all year where they trailed for any portions of any games.
Michigan's opponents ranked by Sagrin:
- 14 PSU, beat by 24
- 42 Iowa, beat by 13
- 46 Maryland, beat by 7
- 83 Indiana, beat by 21
- 140 CoSy, beat by 44
- 145 UCONN, beat by 59
- 158 Hawaii, beat by 46
I always assert that flukes happen because they do. Pick any team and year and I'll show you a game where their performance was way off from their normal for the year.
That does leave open the possibility that Michigan's blowout over PSU was simply a fluke and if you take that away you are left with . . . not much.
That said, you can do that with about any team to "prove" whatever you want to "prove".
I agree, but I think it is possible Michigan looks shiny because of schedule. That was of course an impressive win over PSU. Their second most impressive win is ... Maryland? Of course, I can similarly pick apart anyone's schedule at this point.could say the same thing about Georgia and Tennessee. Georgia's win in Week 0 vs Oregon was insanely impressive- and then since then been whole lot of meh. Georgia nearly lost to freaking Missouri man. Ditto Tennessee. They beat Bama and....who? Took them double OT to beat an ass Pitt team that was playing it's back-up QB.
We could still learn that one or two of the current top ten teams end up fading pretty quickly.
I've been surprised and highly impressed with Michigan's ability to reload.I'd take those talent composite rankings with a high grain of salt. good to look at- and they provide a decent measuring stick- but not nearly the end all be all. Maybe we all should have seen them being better coming.
Here is 247's roster talent composite:
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/
I don't go as in-depth as @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , but when I assess teams preseason I more-or-less do this mental calculation:
- Last year's final ranking
- Adjust for losses to transfer/graduation/NFL relative to average
- Adjust for available talent to replace losses
- Adjust for specific losses
Step 3 is basically the team talent composite from above. I expect Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State to "reload" rather than "rebuild" because they have boatloads of talent on campus. Michigan, however, is all the way down at #14 so I expect that to be more of a struggle for them.
When Michigan beat Ohio State last year I was able to console myself with some relevant facts:
- 2021 was Michigan's best team in a generation, and
- 2021 Michigan was a highly experienced team, and
- 2021 was, by recent standards, somewhat of an off-year for Ohio State, and
- 2021 Ohio State was a very young team
Based on the above, I made the reasonable assumptions that Michigan would take a hit with more than average turnover and that both tOSU and Michigan would regress toward their respective means and since Ohio State's recent (pre 2021) mean was a LOT better than Michigan's, I thought/hoped that tOSU would be substantially better than Michigan in 2022.
At this point in the season I no longer feel confident about that. I still had tOSU at #1 in our Power Rankings last week because I do still think that they look better but there is not a substantial gap. It is basically a coin-flip difference.
Michigan's apparent ability to "reload" has surprised me.
Where are you seeing conference schedules for 2023?Michigan at Iowa was in 2016 and was a night game on Nov 12, 2016.
Also, the no-night-game-in-November meme has been dead since at least 2016. The Gophers played a true night game in Lincoln that year in November, and IIRC Michigan at Iowa in 2018 was a night game.
RE: Iowa and Maryland....Michigan was up 20 on the road in Kinnick when Iowa scored a garbage time TD with about 8 seconds left in the game to make that score look closer than it actually was. Michigan was in prevent and playing back-ups- that last TD was against the 2nd team defense. Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40 in the 4th QTR trying to run up the score and get his guys the hypsemanI'm getting tired of you ignoring facts that aren't conducive to your argument.
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- Michigan got the ball at the Iowa 28 while leading by 13 (20-7) with just over two minutes to go. They could have taken three knees and gone home with a 13 point win (20-7) or put in their backups. Per your post quoted above, Harbaugh doesn't leave starters in so some scrub backup named Blake Corum ran three times for 28 yards for a TD with just over one minute to go.
I'm a as big as a Buckeye fan as you'll find but today he spent like 17 minutes on the OSU out of 42.Must be trying to counter Finebaum/Danielson on Shilling for a conference/programFox has to pump up it's product that it's invested billions of dollars into: B1G and Disney has to pump up it's product that it's invested billions of dollars into: SEC.
Is UNC the most over ranked team? TCU>?? Clemson?I think the problem is that once you get past OSU/UGA which imo are in Tier 1 and then there's a little bit of a drop off and there's Tier 2 of MICH/BAMA/TENN and then there's a pretty big drop off to Tier 3 #6-15- like you can make arguments for a bunch of teams 6-15.
Who among the top 20 will finish out of the rankings, badly?
I'm not yet convinced UGA is an "elite" team. Of course I wasn't convinced last year either.Yeah, well I am. Oregon is a pretty good team. And UGA absolutely destroyed Oregon. Made them look like a high school team. Stetson Bennett is A LOT better than any of us thought he was- and he's an even better player now than he was last year when he lead UGA to the 'chip. UGA had 2 weeks in a row where they played down to poor competition and didn't live up to expectations- probably should've even lost to Mizzou- but they didn't. Since then they've went back to murdering bad teams the last 2 weeks. And that's what the great teams do- they murder the teams they're suppose to. The only real test they have left is Tennessee and that game is in Athens and Tennessee doesn't play defense. Georgia does.
There is a lot of football yet to be played, and one bad game can send a good team home.
They have games at UK and at Miss State as well as hosting Tenn.Miss State? Really? Georgia will destroy them. Miss State is basically redneck Maryland. Kentucky is a fraud and complete pretender. Already mentioned the Tennessee game, that's their only real test left. And that one is at home and Georgia plays really good defense. Tennessee doesn't. Give me the home team that plays great defense.
I like Klatt. He's a welcome and refreshing anti-ESPIN viewpoint.I'm not the biggest fan of his, but man he looks like a genius compared to someone like Danny Kannell or Joey Galloway or Desmond Howard lol.
he looks like a genius compared to someone like Danny Kannell or Joey Galloway or Desmond Howard lol.we all do
Yeah, well I am. Oregon is a pretty good team. And UGA absolutely destroyed Oregon. Made them look like a high school team. Stetson Bennett is A LOT better than any of us thought he was- and he's an even better player now than he was last year when he lead UGA to the 'chip. UGA had 2 weeks in a row where they played down to poor competition and didn't live up to expectations- probably should've even lost to Mizzou- but they didn't. Since then they've went back to murdering bad teams the last 2 weeks. And that's what the great teams do- they murder the teams they're suppose to. The only real test they have left is Tennessee and that game is in Athens and Tennessee doesn't play defense. Georgia does.Georgia is interesting because they’ve had a few stretches where they play like butt, Plus their receiver depth is more athletic potential than actual output at this point and their running game isn’t really “control the game” quality.
Georgia is interesting because they’ve had a few stretches where they play like butt, Plus their receiver depth is more athletic potential than actual output at this point and their running game isn’t really “control the game” quality.yeah their offense is really different, fun to watch. you don't really see very many other teams doing the stuff they do.
I hate to say it, because I generally dislike Smart, but their offense is really fun in a quirky way.
They don't appear unique to me. They pass more than many think.can't say I've ever seen a TE reverse or jet sweep til UGA did it....they seem to feature the TEs and RBs into the passing game A LOT more than most college teams. It's pretty cool to be honest.
I begin to wonder if NIL can tear a team apart and be a negative ...as many pro sports franchises have learned the hard way- can't buy W's and 'chips by simply buying up talent and throwing around cash. A&M is learning that the hard way right now. Think Texas is a little bit too.
as many pro sports franchises have learned the hard way- can't buy W's and 'chips by simply buying up talent and throwing around cash. A&M is learning that the hard way right now. Think Texas is a little bit too.I don't think Texas is learning anything other than what we already knew-- Sarkisian is an average (or worse) head football coach.
Ok State DC on Texas...(Texas star RB Bijan Robinson has an NIL deal with an Austin Lamborghini dealership)
https://twitter.com/Sam_Hutchens_/status/1584009680879120385?s=20&t=F8lJR-6tdn-yxt7kld4kDg
I don't think Texas is learning anything other than what we already knew-- Sarkisian is an average (or worse) head football coach.Bijan is awesome, don't think he's loafing it at all. Not really trying to pick on him. He's great. Just think that OkSt DC might have a point. I've also heard that Ewers has a deal with Porsche dealership. Just feel like maybe 18-20 year old college kids driving around in freaking Lambo's and Porsche's before they've really earned that or done anything might not work out for teams in the long run. Maybe it does create a softness or sense of entitlement. Idk. Speaking of the bad OL...didn't some booster fund set up an NIL deal for Texas OL's?
And I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Bijan, that he's somehow loafing it or something, due to his NIL deal with a car dealership that gets him access to a leased Lamborghini? He's the #6 rusher in the nation behind what we know to be a bad offensive line. If that's evidence of the negative effects of NIL, then there are about 113 schools around the country that would love to be suffering some negative NIL effects right about now.
By most accounts, Ohio State and Oregon have the most advanced NIL programs in place. Are they suffering as a result?
Sark didn't earn his nickname "7 win Sark" for nothing.Sigh. Sad but true. Although given that he went 5-7 last year, we should probably count ourselves lucky if he gets to 7 wins this year...
speaking of A&M....sounds like a bunch of players might be hitting the portal...Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Anybody who saw that opening kickoff return of 100 yards wouldn’t be surprised that the players were smoking pot before the game. It was a total lack of finishing and apathy.
https://twitter.com/kloveaggs/status/1584758337757130752?s=20&t=wJMIAbZ0xk8gXv-5_vzXOQ
But it’s still hard to win here, and chances of getting the next Dabo, and not getting the next Tom Herman, aren’t good. Because there’s a whole lot of Herman’s, and not many Dabos.there are probably only two sure things in coaching. One of them ain't leaving Bama. The other works for Fox. IF A&M really wants to win- they'll back up the Brinks truck to Urban Meyer's doorstep. Not sure Urbs ever coaches again though. He might be done for good.
I specifically mentioned Dabo because he has taken a program similar to ours and has consistently won big.
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1584971049782939685?s=20&t=32ay-fOpwINvkUIYEbdEUADon't be surprised if the IRS comes calling with that confession
before they do that, they' have to heist another Brink's trunk and deliver it to Jimbo.Yeah, the ags are stuck with Fisher for another 5 years minimum and honestly it's more like 7 or 8. The Horns can fire Sarkisian next year. Neither option is particularly good for either team, but that's what happens when you make the wrong coaching hire.
Yeah, the ags are stuck with Fisher for another 5 years minimum and honestly it's more like 7 or 8. The Horns can fire Sarkisian next year. Neither option is particularly good for either team, but that's what happens when you make the wrong coaching hire.Exactly this, and this is exactly why I want my school to hire the interim coach.
And, honestly, what would have been the RIGHT coaching hire for either team? Throw in your Huskers on that question too. It sounds easy but it's not, at all.
Mot disappointing team vs expectations?You could throw Notre Dame up there- they were pre-season ranked 5th.
Oklahoma
A&M
Wisconsin
Iowa
Florida
Eastern Michigan
???
I'd go with A&M.
Jimbo has managed the rare buyout that does its job.yeah it's highly entertaining. Harbs has had a lot more success at Michigan than Jimbo has had at A&M. Think that's fair to say. And Michigan never gave him that sorta mega deal with a crazy buyout which made it impossible to fire him. In fact- they made him take a pay cut after that disastrous COVID year.
I’m also amused by all of it.
This model of getting a highly paid coach successful somewhere else with a long term contract and NIL recruiting might not work often as it does, if it ever does. $$$$$$$kinda reminds me of all those years the Yankees were just spending stupid money to try and buy a 'chip and it never worked. Just throwing truckloads of money at a problem rarely if ever works.
It reminds me a bit of throwing money at climate change and expecting a result.
Anybody who saw that opening kickoff return of 100 yards wouldn’t be surprised that the players were smoking pot before the game.(https://media.tenor.com/sgndDyUUcd4AAAAC/cheech-and-chong-high.gif)
SOURCE: Bryan Harsin is telling players that want to redshirt that they must enter the transfer portal or quit the team - Sports Illustrated Auburn Tigers News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/source-bryan-harsin-is-telling-players-that-want-to-redshirt-that-they-must-enter-the-transfer-portal-or-quit-the-team)Ya kids have options now and talk like that and they'll use them - DUMB,really,really dumb.
Unreal if true.
SOURCE: Bryan Harsin is telling players that want to redshirt that they must enter the transfer portal or quit the team - Sports Illustrated Auburn Tigers News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/source-bryan-harsin-is-telling-players-that-want-to-redshirt-that-they-must-enter-the-transfer-portal-or-quit-the-team)seems like a desperation move...and not a great look. he's got to know his days are numbered.
Unreal if true.
SOURCE: Bryan Harsin is telling players that want to redshirt that they must enter the transfer portal or quit the team - Sports Illustrated Auburn Tigers News, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/college/auburn/football/source-bryan-harsin-is-telling-players-that-want-to-redshirt-that-they-must-enter-the-transfer-portal-or-quit-the-team)Sounds like a bad case of "If I'm going to get fired, I'm burning the house down on my way out"
Unreal if true.
Sounds like a bad case of "If I'm going to get fired, I'm burning the house down on my way out"Yep.
(https://i.imgur.com/sOmik7j.png)man Michigan's schedule looks soft next year. OOC slate is awful once again. They skip Iowa and Wisconsin and they get Ohio State at home. Have to go to Penn State and Michigan State- but that schedule looks very manageable....once again. Wish they'd have played someone with a pulse OOC like Texas or Florida.
man Michigan's schedule looks soft next year. OOC slate is awful once again. They skip Iowa and Wisconsin and they get Ohio State at home. Have to go to Penn State and Michigan State- but that schedule looks very manageable....once again. Wish they'd have played someone with a pulse OOC like Texas or Florida.They'll get their's at the end of November don't you worry your little heart 😈
https://twitter.com/Travis_L_Brown/status/1585317347061108737?s=20&t=uTn7H7KjNNdS94VvPa_cOQComing from the guy who left as a HC at a blue chip program after 1 season to take a better job.
Coming from the guy who left as a HC at a blue chip program after 1 season to take a better job.Lane is not nothing if he's not entertaining. Have to give him that.
Uh huh...