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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Abba on October 17, 2022, 11:28:12 AM
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Both teams are coming off a BYE week, so they'll be much healthier than previous weeks. I don't know if Brian Ferentz used the time to add any new wrinkles, but they could use them. I'm a little nervous about this one from a Buckeye perspective. Michigan showed the blueprint to beat them, but the Buckeyes haven't always been patient. CJ has been a bit loose with the ball, which could be a problem against an opportunistic Iowa team. I think Ohio State may come in a little clunky and allow Iowa to hang around for a half, before finally pulling away in the late 3rd quarter.
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Iowa and OSU have not played much since they went to divisions so OSU has not actually beaten Iowa since 2013, when Jake Rudock was the starting QB for Iowa and Braxton Miller the QB for OSU.
The only other time they have played since 2013 was Iowa"s 55-24 win over OSU in Iowa City in 2017, when Nate Stanley was the starting QB for Iowa and JT Barret was the QB for OSU.
Iowa was supposed to play at OSU in 2020, but, well, you know what happened in 2020.
Strangely enough Iowa and OSU have never met in the Big Ten CCG.
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Interesting point. Since East/West started in 2014, the Buckeyes have made the championship game 6 out of a possible 9 times. Of those 3 times the Buckeyes didn't make it, Iowa made 2 of them. Only 2016 featured a game without either Iowa or Ohio State, as Penn State beat Wisconsin. So with Iowa looking unlikely to make it this year, that bodes well for the Buckeyes' chances to make it back this year.
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I believe Ohio Stadium is the only home stadium in the Big Ten that Kirk Ferentz has never won a game as a head coach. I am pretty sure he has won at Rutgers, MD, PSU, MSU, Mich, Ind, Pur, ILL, NW, Wisc, Minn and NEB.
Of course Ferentz has not had that many chances, Iowa has only played at OSU 5 times in his 24 years as Iowa head coach. Although I guess he can at least say he won at OSU as an Iowa assistant coach in 1987.
This may be Ferentz's last chance to cross this off his old bucket list.
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Iowa will be the best defense by far that Ohio State has faced thus far. However, it will also be the worst offense that their defense has yet to face. So. Yeah. Ohio State by at least 21. Shoot, if Day wanted to just put the thing on cruise control and get to 17 points and then run every down and punt every 4th down he'd win 17-0 or 17-3.
Interesting bit of info I saw on the twitter, Ohio State is only one of 5 teams that have yet to face an AP ranked top 25 (current) in FBS.
https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1581800236162220032?s=20&t=JqoWDOdswIEleDehQx7u4Q
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Interesting bit of info I saw on the twitter, Ohio State is only one of 5 teams that have yet to face an AP ranked top 25 (current) in FBS.
https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1581800236162220032?s=20&t=JqoWDOdswIEleDehQx7u4Q
Depending on how Penn State does the next two weeks against Minnesota and Ohio State, this could be true all the way up until The Game.
That said, it is also misleading. Ohio State's schedule hasn't been great but:
- It hasn't been THAT bad, and
- To the extent that it hasn't been better, that is largely due to luck-of-the-draw factors beyond tOSU's control.
According to Sagrin the Buckeyes have played the #38 SoS. That is better than Georgia (#55) and substantially better than your Wolverines (#76).
Unlike Michigan who scheduled UCONN, CoSt, and Hawaii OOC the Buckeyes at least TRIED to challenge themselves OOC. The Buckeyes scheduled a Notre Dame program that is typically ranked and they were #5 at kickoff. The Buckeyes' other two OOC opponents were a Toledo team that is undefeated in and favored to win the MAC and an Arkansas State team that isn't good but is still substantially better than any of Michigan's OOC opponents.
Within the league the Buckeyes have played MSU and UW and are about to face Iowa. None of those teams are ranked now but in the preseason they were #15, #18, and the third team out.
Still, you do have a point. We have yet to see how Ohio State responds to pressure and we honestly might not see it until after Thanksgiving. Iowa has a great defense but their offense is the hilariously bad living embodiment of the dangers of nepotism.
Ohio State's offense is averaging almost 50 a game and hasn't been held below 45 since week one. Even if Iowa's defense holds Ohio State to half of their season average that would still be 24 points and Iowa only scored 20 in their last two games combined.
Bottom line:
I think that Iowa's defense is legitimately a stiff test for Ohio State but their offense is so bad that it is unlikely to matter.
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Iowa's defense seems to be getting a lot of credit for holding Michigan to "only" 27 points but I would not consider it up to Iowa's usual standards for defense. Especially alarming was Michigan's first down run production against Iowa's defensive line. I have not seen a team run on Iowa like that in a while. This is not a good sign of what's coming against OSU. I am sure that Phil Parker has challenged his defensive line to do better.
Iowa's defense did seem to be back to its usual self against ILL, practically gift-wrapping it for Iowa's offense who gifted it right back to Illinois. It's scary how close the Iowa defense was to single-handily winning the ILL all by itself, as even Iowa special teams had an off-night. But that was Illinois. Iowa can sneak in those types of wins against Rutgers and Illinois, not OSU or Michigan.
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I believe Ohio Stadium is the only home stadium in the Big Ten that Kirk Ferentz has never won a game as a head coach. I am pretty sure he has won at Rutgers, MD, PSU, MSU, Mich, Ind, Pur, ILL, NW, Wisc, Minn and NEB.
Of course Ferentz has not had that many chances, Iowa has only played at OSU 5 times in his 24 years as Iowa head coach. Although I guess he can at least say he won at OSU as an Iowa assistant coach in 1987.
This may be Ferentz's last chance to cross this off his old bucket list.
It is. Iowa/Ferentz' wins in hostile league stadiums 1999-2021:
- 7 wins at MN
- 6 wins at IL
- 5 wins at NU
- 5 wins at PU
- 5 wins at PSU
- 5 wins at IU
- 5 wins at UNL
- 4 wins at UW
- 2 wins at MSU
- 2 wins at M
- 1 win at UMD
- 1 win at RU
He is .500 at Maryland (1-1) and perfect at RU (1-0) on limited attempts due to them both joining recently and being in the opposite division. However, he is 0-5 in the Shoe despite being a fairly respectable 2-3 against the Buckeyes in Kinnick. Interestingly, Kirk's two wins over tOSU were both blowouts: 55-24 in 2017 and 33-7 in 2004.
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Iowa's defense seems to be getting a lot of credit for holding Michigan to "only" 27 points but I would not consider it up to Iowa's usual standards for defense. Especially alarming was Michigan's first down run production against Iowa's defensive line. I have not seen a team run on Iowa like that in a while. This is not a good sign of what's coming against OSU. I am sure that Phil Parker has challenged his defensive line to do better.
Iowa's defense did seem to be back to its usual self against ILL, practically gift-wrapping it for Iowa's offense who gifted it right back to Illinois. It's scary how close the Iowa defense was to single-handily winning the ILL all by itself, as even Iowa special teams had an off-night. But that was Illinois. Iowa can sneak in those types of wins against Rutgers and Illinois, not OSU or Michigan.
Obviously holding Michigan to FG's on two long scoring drives contributed to this and kept the game at least theoretically in reach for most of it but, IMHO, Iowa's defense performed admirably against the Wolverines. They very effectively limited explosive plays. Michigan's longest run was only 20 yards and their longest pass was only 29. Thus, Michigan was forced to work their way down the field and they did for three TD's but they were held to FG's twice and punted four times.
Michigan got 4.1 yards per carry and just ask Penn State how that sounds! The Wolverines got 7.6 per carry against PSU including two back-breaking 60+ yard runs. McCarthy completed 3/4 of his passes against Iowa but for only 6.5 per attempt / 8.6 per completion so it isn't like he was lighting them up with deep bombs.
I think the big question this weekend is whether or not the Buckeyes can run on Iowa as effectively as Michigan did. If the Buckeyes can then I think this game will get ugly because CJ will hit a similar percentage as JJ but for a lot more yards each and if Ohio State is also running effectively the Buckeyes will easily eclipse the 27 points that Michigan scored. If Iowa can make Ohio State one-dimensional by taking away the run then it will probably be a competitive game.
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The problem, for me, with SoS is how it ranks schedules for teams who played opponents ranked as follows:
50 40 60 30 70
100 10 25 90 120
An elite team should win all of any of those, but the latter schedule at least has two games they could really lose. For an elite team, your odds of beating #50 and #100 are not materially different.
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The problem, for me, with SoS is how it ranks schedules for teams who played opponents ranked as follows:
50 40 60 30 70
100 10 25 90 120
An elite team should win all of any of those, but the latter schedule at least has two games they could really lose. For an elite team, your odds of beating #50 and #100 are not materially different.
Oh I agree. It is subjective exactly where the cut-off is, but below a certain level it just doesn't matter whether you play #101 or #141. I think it is best viewed in conjunction with "quality wins". Computer generated SoS is going to tell you something close to how good a team's average opponent was and that IS important when you are comparing MOV. MOV over 141 *SHOULD* be better than MOV against 101 but the record should be 1-0 either way.
I already posted this in the Power Rankings thread but here are Ohio State and Michigan's 13 opponents as ranked by Sagrin with results:
(https://i.imgur.com/R77nazZ.png)
Personally, when I look at it I think from somewhere between MSU and ArSt on down I just look to see if it was a blowout (they all were with the arguable exception of Michigan's 21 point win over #78 Indiana). The games above there deserve a more serious look. Here it is with your Bulldogs added in:
(https://i.imgur.com/CA0l3WY.png)
Georgia's games against their three best opponents look great. The 46 point demolition of Oregon is even more impressive than Michigan's game against Penn State. Georgia's 41 point win against USCe falls right between tOSU's 29 point win over MSU and M's 7 point win over UMD so again, great. Georgia's 32 point win over Auburn is comparable to tOSU's 29 point win over MSU and better than M's 21 point win over IU so all good.
Georgia also looks really good as measured against REALLY bad opponents. They shutout Vanderbilt and Samford 55-0 and 33-0.
The thing holding Georgia back (to the extent that they are, I mean, they are #1) is that their 4 point win over Mizzou and their 17 point win over Kent (in a game in which they scored late to make it look better than it was) are just NOT championship caliber performances. Kirby's comments about Mizzou being a tough place to play are coachspeak BS and we all know it. I'm pretty sure you'd agree with that.
If we compare tOSU and Georgia based on their games against the best teams they have played, that goes to Georgia hands down as Oregon appears to be better than Notre Dame AND Georgia beat Oregon much more soundly than tOSU beat ND.
If we compare them based on their MAC opponents, that does not look good for UGA. Kent was within 10 of Georgia deep in the fourth quarter and Georgia only won by 17 despite scoring a late TD. Ohio State played a better MAC opponent and dropped 77 on them in a game that was never in doubt and in which the Buckeyes' lead was never less than 42 in the fourth quarter.
One could definitely argue that Mizzou and Kent were only two games but that is nearly a third of UGA's schedule and that third doesn't look good at all. I consider Michigan's 21 point win over Indiana to be a weak showing and Kent is a worse team that UGA beat by less points. Similarly, I consider Michigan's 7 point win over Maryland to be a weak showing and Mizzou is a worse team that UGA beat by less points.
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Yep, long story short, the resumes aren't that far off and there's still much more to learn about each team. Just halfway through the year, and we know how crazy late October and November can get.
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medina is the stats guru here....just saw something that Ryan Day is 26-1 vs the B1G with the only L last year to Michigan. WOW.
He's going to get to 27-1. Iowa doesn't have a prayer, and it won't be pretty. Yeah the B1G might not be great, but 27-1 in 28 games is downright insane.
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Ohio State and Iowa fans should enjoy this video interview of Iowa tight end Luke Lachey, whose dad is the play-by-play analyst for Ohio State.
(https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/football/2022/10/19/how-luke-lacheys-ohio-state-family-went-all-in-on-iowa-football-hawkeyes-buckeyes-big-ten-ncaa/69564397007/)Luke Lachey Interview on Upcoming Ohio State game (https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/football/2022/10/19/how-luke-lacheys-ohio-state-family-went-all-in-on-iowa-football-hawkeyes-buckeyes-big-ten-ncaa/69564397007/)
Luke is obviously a very upbeat, articulate young guy. Maybe he could succeed Iowa's Eddie Podolak, as radio analyst.
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Ohio State and Iowa fans should enjoy this video interview of Iowa tight end Luke Lachey, whose dad is the play-by-play analyst for Ohio State.
(https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/football/2022/10/19/how-luke-lacheys-ohio-state-family-went-all-in-on-iowa-football-hawkeyes-buckeyes-big-ten-ncaa/69564397007/)Luke Lachey Interview on Upcoming Ohio State game (https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/football/2022/10/19/how-luke-lacheys-ohio-state-family-went-all-in-on-iowa-football-hawkeyes-buckeyes-big-ten-ncaa/69564397007/)
Luke is obviously a very upbeat, articulate young guy. Maybe he could succeed Iowa's Eddie Podolak, as radio analyst.
Good stuff!
Here is another good piece from the OSU side:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022/10/133957/luke-lachey-excited-to-return-to-his-hometown-as-father-prepares-to-call-his-son-s-game-at-ohio-state-this-weekend
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One of the big keys to Iowa's success on defense this year is that they simply don't allow big plays. The longest rush they have allowed all year was 23 yards by Brown of Illinois (second best in the league is Illinois at 44) and the longest pass they have allowed all year is 34 by Hightower of Illinois.
Michigan's longest rush and pass against Iowa were 20 and 29 respectively.
Ohio State so far thus year:
- 16, longest rush against ND
- 25, longest rush against UW
- 26, longest rush against MSU
- 32, longest pass against ND
- 33, longest pass against UW
- 36, longest pass against RU
- 41, longest rush against ArSt
- 49, longest rush against Toledo
- 51, longest pass against ArSt
- 69, longest pass against MSU
- 70, longest rush against RU
- 72, longest pass against Toledo
Something has to give here.
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Watching a Joel Klatt podcast from yesterday on YT and he makes some points I didn't consider. That this time
last year:
Chris Olave/Garret Wilson 61 rec.-1040 rec.yds-13 tds
This year:
Egbuka/Harrison 66 rec,-1191 rec.yds-15 tds
And that is with pre-season Biletnikoff Award Favorite Jaxon Smith Njigba sidelined with a bad hamstring.The Offense is rolling fairly well - against albeit marginal compitition. His point for placing them no 1 was after losing Olave/Wilson to NFL 1st rd and w/o JSN things have actually shown more production.He goes on and gives a nod to Brian Hartline as one of the very best position coaches in CFB.Hopefully for the good guys things keep progressing
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Watching a Joel Klatt podcast from yesterday on YT and he makes some points I didn't consider. That this time
last year:
Chris Olave/Garret Wilson 61 rec.-1040 rec.yds-13 tds
This year:
Egbuka/Harrison 66 rec,-1191 rec.yds-15 tds
And that is with pre-season Biletnikoff Award Favorite Jaxon Smith Njigba sidelined with a bad hamstring.The Offense is rolling fairly well - against albeit marginal compitition. His point for placing them no 1 was after losing Olave/Wilson to NFL 1st rd and w/o JSN things have actually shown more production.He goes on and gives a nod to Brian Hartline as one of the very best position coaches in CFB.Hopefully for the good guys things keep progressing
I saw that too. I like his podcast and his point here is amazing. He is right. We tOSU fans are beyond spoiled. Our team lost not one but two NFL first round WR's then the preseason Biletnikoff favorite went out due to injury and for all intents and purposes hasn't played this year and our team's passing game got BETTER. Joel's comment that he has simply never seen anything like that is dead on.
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I want to give props to Iowa's defense. Getting this deep into the season without allowing a run over 23 yards or a pass over 34 is amazing.
Most long plays result from ONE mistake on defense. For example, we discussed ND's long pass against the Buckeyes at length on here. The safety made a mistake and went for the ball with nobody behind him and ND got 50+.
Iowa not giving up anything over 23/34 is basically saying that their defense has played nearly mistake-free ball for half a season. That is huge and they deserve major credit for it. It just sucks for them that due to nepotism their team is only .500 despite having arguably the best D in the game.
I think those big plays will be a big factor in tomorrow's game. Ohio State is averaging almost 50 ppg and since the slow start against ND they are over 50 ppg and haven't been held below 45.
Note that against ND tOSU's longest play was a 32 yard pass and their longest run was for just 16. Notre Dame held the Buckeyes to 21 points, less than half if their next lowest output.
My thinking is that Ohio State simply isn't going to score 40+ without hitting some big plays. Iowa prevented Michigan from hitting any really big plays and held the Wolverines to 27. If the prevent the Buckeyes from hitting big plays Ohio State will still score points but it will be something comparable to what Michigan achieved, probably 21-35 points or so.
Iowa's offense is so atrocious that even 21 would probably be enough to win but if the Buckeyes are held in the 20's then it will be a fairly close game that Iowa could win if they get two or three lucky bounces (pick-6's, ST TD's, etc).
OTOH, if tOSU does hit a few long plays then I think they'll probably score at least 35 points and I don't think Iowa could score 35 on an average HS defense so that will be a blowout.
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I saw that too. I like his podcast and his point here is amazing. He is right. We tOSU fans are beyond spoiled. Our team lost not one but two NFL first round WR's then the preseason Biletnikoff favorite went out due to injury and for all intents and purposes hasn't played this year and our team's passing game got BETTER. Joel's comment that he has simply never seen anything like that is dead on.
I know some here don't like him and after watching their slobbering spiel for the games I get that.IMO that is a network directive because in studio when breaking down games/talent and other pertinent info he is one of the best with out dragging the nonsense into it
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What if the OSU OC changes up the game plan to more of a "grind it out" approach? Shorter passes, limit 3rd and longs, run the ball a bit more, and simply run clock a bit? You still score, more slowly, and then get the ball back fairly quickly and repeat. Maybe it ends up more like 42-6?
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That's what I'm expecting to see. I don't think the Buckeyes are going to hit a lot of big plays. They're going to get a lot of medium plays and long drives. The clock will run, and at the end of the day, they will probably score in the 30s. I just hope they are patient enough to take those plays instead of throwing deep just to throw deep and finding themselves in 2nd & 3rd and long.
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If they take say 7 minutes to score, and get the ball back 2 minutes later, they could get into the 40s. They can stretch the defense with some long patterns to open shorter crossing routes and might hit some 20 yarders.
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What if the OSU OC changes up the game plan to more of a "grind it out" approach? Shorter passes, limit 3rd and longs, run the ball a bit more, and simply run clock a bit? You still score, more slowly, and then get the ball back fairly quickly and repeat. Maybe it ends up more like 42-6?
playing into Ferentz's strength?
I would hope not (well, for Ryan's sake)
w/o the deep shots and threat of big plays, it's even tougher to move the ball vs the Hawk defense
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I notice Iowa likes to play a lot of zone defense. In the past, we've seen that Ryan likes to flood the zone by running 4 verticals. It causes some issues as Iowa probably would only have 3 deep defenders, so they would have to make adjustments to handle that. I don't know who would run the 4 verts though for this to work, as the Buckeyes have been going with 3 WR, 1 TE sets this year. Cade Stover may run a vertical, or they could have JSN (if healthy) or Xavier Johnson check into the lineup to try to exploit things that way.
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What if the OSU OC changes up the game plan to more of a "grind it out" approach? Shorter passes, limit 3rd and longs, run the ball a bit more, and simply run clock a bit? You still score, more slowly, and then get the ball back fairly quickly and repeat. Maybe it ends up more like 42-6?
This is what I expect them to attempt.
start with” take what the defense gives you” but eventually use motions and formations to manipulate the defense, looking for some opportunities for explosive plays.
Of course there is risk in that- poor execution or a “ baiting” defense can cause turnovers.
A real coaching chess match.
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It will be interesting to see obviously how the OSU OC manages this.
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What if the OSU OC changes up the game plan to more of a "grind it out" approach? Shorter passes, limit 3rd and longs, run the ball a bit more, and simply run clock a bit? You still score, more slowly, and then get the ball back fairly quickly and repeat. Maybe it ends up more like 42-6?
I doubt it if for no other reason than time.
If you are grinding it out you are probably taking at least five minutes per drive. 5x6=30 and 6x7=42 so even if you manage to score a TD on EVERY possession you'll burn half the game to score 42 points.
If they take say 7 minutes to score, and get the ball back 2 minutes later, they could get into the 40s. They can stretch the defense with some long patterns to open shorter crossing routes and might hit some 20 yarders.
I think you are underestimating Iowa's time of possession here (more on that later) but even if you aren't this means that each set of possessions takes nine minutes. So let's say tOSU receives the opening kick and kicks off in the second half.
First half:
- tOSU starts with 30 to go
- tOSU starts with 21 to go
- tOSU starts with 12 to go
- tOSU starts with 3 to go, not enough time to score
Second half:
- tOSU starts with 28 to go
- tOSU starts with 19 to go
- tOSU starts with 10 to go
- tOSU gets the ball with one minute remaining.
So Ohio State only gets six relevant possessions because 3 minutes at the end of the first half isn't enough (maybe a FG as time expires or a few deep shots in the closing seconds) and tOSU wouldn't even be trying to score up 42-6 (your example) with one minute left.
So to get to 42 this way the Buckeyes would have to score a TD on EVERY possession.
I think that you two minute estimate for Iowa's possessions is far too low. Against the Wolverines Iowa had 10 possessions but one was 0:09 at the end of the first half. On the other nine they had about 26 minutes TOP which is a lot closer to three minutes each.
If we rerun the above time thing but with each set of possessions taking 10 minutes that cuts tOSU down to exactly six chances so they only score 42 points if the get a TD literally every time they touch the ball. Grind out games don't work that way. There will be punts and FG's.
Assuming zero big plays, I think that 1/3 TD's, 1/3 FG's, and 1/3 punts would be a pretty good afternoon and that would be about 20 points.
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FWIW, Michigan had nine possessions against Iowa (not counting kneeling at the end if the game), they got:
If you can't hit long plays (Michigan's longest was a 20 yard TD), then this is about as good as you can hope for. If Ohio State can't hit any long plays they'll be roughly in this range of <35.
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This is what I expect them to attempt.
start with” take what the defense gives you” but eventually use motions and formations to manipulate the defense, looking for some opportunities for explosive plays.
Of course there is risk in that- poor execution or a “ baiting” defense can cause turnovers.
A real coaching chess match.
not much of a checkers match when the Buck's defense is on the field
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Give me 37-13.
I think Iowa does force some field goals, but Ohio State still moves at will between the 20s
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This is a pretty good breakdown of what Iowa is trying to do and how Ohio State may attack it:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2022/10/133929/film-study-iowas-entire-identity-is-built-upon-phil-parkers-stingy-defense (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2022/10/133929/film-study-iowas-entire-identity-is-built-upon-phil-parkers-stingy-defense)
Fearless is right that the other side of the ball may not be very interesting.
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I'll say 31-7.
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Give me 37-13.
I think Iowa does force some field goals, but Ohio State still moves at will between the 20s
I was just thinking 31-13.
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Joel Klatt mentioned this on his podcast and I wanted to share it here because it is such a perfect example of Iowa. The following sequence actually occurred during the Hawkeyes' game against the Illini:
- Iowa lost 11 yards and was forced to punt from their 16 after getting the ball on their 27.
- Iowa recovered the punt after Illinois muffed it and got the ball on the Illinois 35.
- Iowa lost 6 yards and was forced to punt from the Illinois 41.
- Illinois fumbled giving Iowa the ball on the Illinois 5, first and goal.
- Iowa lost 4 yards and kicked a FG from the Illinois 9.
Iowa's defense and special teams are so good that the Hawkeyes got points despite their comically bad walking embodiment of nepotism offense losing yards on each of three consecutive drives for a total of 21 yards. If they had kept their offense off the field they probably would have scored a TD.
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Joel Klatt mentioned this on his podcast and I wanted to share it here because it is such a perfect example of Iowa. The following sequence actually occurred during the Hawkeyes' game against the Illini:
- Iowa lost 11 yards and was forced to punt from their 16 after getting the ball on their 27.
- Iowa recovered the punt after Illinois muffed it and got the ball on the Illinois 35.
- Iowa lost 6 yards and was forced to punt from the Illinois 41.
- Illinois fumbled giving Iowa the ball on the Illinois 5, first and goal.
- Iowa lost 4 yards and kicked a FG from the Illinois 9.
Iowa's defense and special teams are so good that the Hawkeyes got points despite their comically bad walking embodiment of nepotism offense losing yards on each of three consecutive drives for a total of 21 yards. If they had kept their offense off the field they probably would have scored a TD.
Iowa is literally a team without an offense. If they had even a slightly above average offense they're a 10 win team and they run away with the West. Instead they have the worst offense in the B1G and maybe the entire P5. It's just sad that Kirk won't make a change and retool the offensive staff. They could be a lot more than they currently are as a program. DC Phil Parker isn't going to be there forever.
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My guess is 37-9.
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Hmm...
2 punts
2 TD's
2 FG's
1 missed FG
1 pick-6
OSU wins 20-13
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Alex Hickey: NCAA should reinstate TV bans to counter Iowa football problem
We’ve seen enough. Literally.
It’s time for someone to intervene and take Iowa football games off of American television airwaves until further notice.
Iowa’s 54-10 loss at Ohio State on FOX’s Big Noon Kickoff was the final straw. Advertisers should threaten to pull their commercials if they have the misfortune of being paired with the Hawkeyes, because Brian Ferentz’s offense alienates millions of viewers.
As we saw Saturday, it doesn’t matter which of Iowa’s sorry quarterbacks is on the field. Ferentz’s playbook is even sorrier. There was a point in time where Spencer Petras and Alex Padilla had a combined 6 completions and 5 turnovers.
Petras went 6 of 14 for 49 yards with 2 interceptions and a lost fumble before his plug was mercifully pulled at halftime. Padilla went 5 of 10 for 32 yards with his own interception to contribute to the cause.
Iowa’s lone touchdown, naturally, was scored by its defense. It’s the third time this season that Iowa’s offense has failed to score a touchdown.
Anywhere else in college football, the offensive coordinator would be without a job. Well before things got to this point. But especially after getting de-pantsed and beaten with a switch on national television.
But since offensive coordinator Brian Ferentz is the son of head coach Kirk Ferentz, that option isn’t available. The elder Ferentz is the winningest coach in Iowa history and contracted with the school through 2029.
A more drastic measure must be taken. It’s time to ban the Hawkeyes from television.
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I predict this will be Kirk Ferentz's last year as head coach but he won't announce his retirement until next June.
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My guess is 37-9.
I was close for Iowa, but 7 of those of course were of the P6 type. I think their Defense just wore down and quit, I would have probably.
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I'm guessin' you would have
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if I were Phil PArker, I'd be looking for a different job
I know coaches are loyal but, That's redickeruous
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if I were Phil PArker, I'd be looking for a different job
I know coaches are loyal but, That's redickeruous
Maryland should back up the brinks truck to hire him away. Can you imagine Maryland actually playing defense? They'd be a problem in the B1G East.
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watching this game on BTN
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Bill Connelly calculated that by just punting on 1st down every time they got the ball, the expected outcome would have been 4 points closer
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Alex Hickey: NCAA should reinstate TV bans to counter Iowa football problem
But especially after getting de-pantsed and beaten with a switch on national television.
It was embarrassing, and Brian Ferentz's a$$hole showing on national television, was ugly.
That said there are so few moments in the USA where we come together, I laud the half-time show, with the Hawkeye Marching Band and Ohio State's marching band combining for an entertaining tribute to Elton John. (60) The Ohio State University Marching Band: "Elton John Tribute" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alGrxr2sJ-s)
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Bill Connelly calculated that by just punting on 1st down every time they got the ball, the expected outcome would have been 4 points closer
I've mentioned in other threads that Iowa would literally have been better off with no offense.
You'll see people say this about teams but it is almost always an exaggeration. Also, the overuse of "literally" is a pet peeve of mine.
What astounds me is that in this case it is NOT an exaggeration and "literally" is used appropriately:
Iowa would literally have been better off without an offense.
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Given the way things look at this point, all Ohio State analysis has to be conducted through the lens of how the Buckeyes compare to the Wolverines (the reverse is true for Michigan).
I went into this game thinking that:
- Michigan's rushing offense was a bit better than Ohio State's, but I wasn't sure by how much so that was one thing I wanted to find out.
- Ohio State's passing offense was a bit better than Michigan's, but I wasn't sure by how much so that was another thing I wanted to find out.
- Michigan's defense was a bit better than Ohio State's, but I wasn't sure by how much so that was another thing I wanted to find out.
How those things compared in this game:
Rushing offenses:
Michigan gained 172 yards on 42 attempts against the Hawkeyes for an average of 4.1. Ohio State gained 66 yards on 30 attempts for an average of 2.2. While this is obviously an advantage for Michigan, the difference might not be as significant as it appears because while 2.2 is obviously not effective, 4.1 really isn't either.
If an offense gained 4 yards per carry with zero variance that would result in a lot of TD's on:
- 1st and 10,
- 2nd and 6,
- 3rd and 2,
- 1st and 10
- Repeat as necessary.
In reality, however, there is always variance. In this example Michigan had longer runs of:
- 20 by Corum LATE in the game against Iowa's gassed D,
- 16 by Bell, and
- 12 by Edwards
Michigan's other 39 carries went for 124 or <3.2 per. That average results in a lot of punts (Michigan went 4/11 on 3rd down and 1/1 on 4th down with four punts.
Ohio State's rushing offense was even worse at 2.2.
Passing offenses:
Michigan was 18/24 for 155 yards with a TD. That is an average of 6.5 per attempt and 8.6 per completion.
Ohio State was 22/32 for 294 yards with 4 TD's and a pick. That is an average of 9.2 per attempt and 13.4 per completion.
Michigan's completion percentage is higher but it should be, their passes were half as long.
Defenses:
This is where I was very pleasantly surprised. We all know that Iowa's offense is the comically bad walking embodiment of nepotism so it is no surprise that Michigan held them to 281 total yards. Ohio State held them to barely over half of that and forced six turnovers. Even if you don't count Iowa's two minute drill late TD against Michigan (I know that @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) won't) the Buckeyes still allowed substantially less yards and forced all those turnovers.
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Given the way things look at this point, all Ohio State analysis has to be conducted through the lens of how the Buckeyes compare to the Wolverines (the reverse is true for Michigan).
I went into this game thinking that:
- Michigan's rushing offense was a bit better than Ohio State's, but I wasn't sure by how much so that was one thing I wanted to find out.
- Ohio State's passing offense was a bit better than Michigan's, but I wasn't sure by how much so that was another thing I wanted to find out.
- Michigan's defense was a bit better than Ohio State's, but I wasn't sure by how much so that was another thing I wanted to find out.
How those things compared in this game:
Rushing offenses:
Michigan gained 172 yards on 42 attempts against the Hawkeyes for an average of 4.1. Ohio State gained 66 yards on 30 attempts for an average of 2.2. While this is obviously an advantage for Michigan, the difference might not be as significant as it appears because while 2.2 is obviously not effective, 4.1 really isn't either.
If an offense gained 4 yards per carry with zero variance that would result in a lot of TD's on:
- 1st and 10,
- 2nd and 6,
- 3rd and 2,
- 1st and 10
- Repeat as necessary.
In reality, however, there is always variance. In this example Michigan had longer runs of:
- 20 by Corum LATE in the game against Iowa's gassed D,
- 16 by Bell, and
- 12 by Edwards
Michigan's other 39 carries went for 124 or <3.2 per. That average results in a lot of punts (Michigan went 4/11 on 3rd down and 1/1 on 4th down with four punts.
Ohio State's rushing offense was even worse at 2.2.
Passing offenses:
Michigan was 18/24 for 155 yards with a TD. That is an average of 6.5 per attempt and 8.6 per completion.
Ohio State was 22/32 for 294 yards with 4 TD's and a pick. That is an average of 9.2 per attempt and 13.4 per completion.
Michigan's completion percentage is higher but it should be, their passes were half as long.
Defenses:
This is where I was very pleasantly surprised. We all know that Iowa's offense is the comically bad walking embodiment of nepotism so it is no surprise that Michigan held them to 281 total yards. Ohio State held them to barely over half of that and forced six turnovers. Even if you don't count Iowa's two minute drill late TD against Michigan (I know that @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) won't) the Buckeyes still allowed substantially less yards and forced all those turnovers.
Transitive property is meaningless when it comes to college football. We all know this.
And you're god damn right I don't count Iowa's last drive with 61 pass yards and a cheap garbage time TD with 8 seconds left in a 20 point game. Remove that garbage stat padding where Michigan was playing prevent and playing back-ups with seconds left in a game and Iowa passed for 185 yards and scored 1 TD on offense.
Both Mich/OSU defenses stopped the run and rushed the passer pretty much equally effectively. OSU was far more effective creating turnovers vs Iowa O however.
Michigan ran the ball much more effectively vs Iowa- and with a Donovan Edwards who barely played and had just gotten back and wasn't 100% yet. Ohio State passed the ball much more effectively vs Iowa when Ryan Day was keeping the 1's deep into the 4th QTR of a 30 pt game and launching TD bombs.
One team played on the road in Kinnick, the other got 'em at home. That also makes a big difference. OSU has to play Penn State on the road. Michigan got to play them at home. I think I'd rather play Penn State at home than Iowa- so Michigan definitely got a break there. BUT...none of this matters....and Michigan will have to come into Columbus- and don't like my odds there.
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Transitive property is meaningless when it comes to college football. We all know this.
I disagree with "meaningless". The problem with the transitive property isn't that the concept is bunk, the problem is lack of data because teams absolutely do have good and bad games.
If Michigan and Ohio State played the exact same 11 opponents prior to playing each other and Michigan rushed for more yards against each of the 11, that would be conclusive proof that Michigan's rushing offense was better than Ohio State's.
Similarly, if Ohio State held each of the 11 common opponents to less yards and forced more turnovers against each of the 11, that would be conclusive proof that Ohio State's defense was better than Michigan's.
The problem here is that for now we are only looking at one data point.
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I disagree with "meaningless". The problem with the transitive property isn't that the concept is bunk, the problem is lack of data because teams absolutely do have good and bad games.
If Michigan and Ohio State played the exact same 11 opponents prior to playing each other and Michigan rushed for more yards against each of the 11, that would be conclusive proof that Michigan's rushing offense was better than Ohio State's.
Similarly, if Ohio State held each of the 11 common opponents to less yards and forced more turnovers against each of the 11, that would be conclusive proof that Ohio State's defense was better than Michigan's.
The problem here is that for now we are only looking at one data point.
still think it's kinda meaningless. impossible to take into account road vs home and 18-21 year olds playing up/down to the competition. I know we all like to think these guys are robots- but sometimes they come out flat- and others they are just FIRED up to play a certain team for whatever reason. it's a game of emotion/mental toughness at the end of the day.
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And you're god damn right I don't count Iowa's last drive with 61 pass yards and a cheap garbage time TD with 8 seconds left in a 20 point game. Remove that garbage stat padding where Michigan was playing prevent and playing back-ups with seconds left in a game and Iowa passed for 185 yards and scored 1 TD on offense.
I'm not completely averse to ignoring Iowa's two minute drill late TD but if we are doing that then I'd also ignore Michigan's late TD as well.
The Iowa/Michigan game effectively ended when Michigan stopped Iowa's 4th down try at the Iowa 28. At that point Michigan had a 13 point lead and the ball with just over two minutes remaining. That would be over even if the opponent actually had a functional offense.
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still think it's kinda meaningless. impossible to take into account road vs home and 18-21 year olds playing up/down to the competition. I know we all like to think these guys are robots- but sometimes they come out flat- and others they are just FIRED up to play a certain team for whatever reason. it's a game of emotion/mental toughness at the end of the day.
I 100% agree with H/A, guys playing up/down, guys being flat or fired up, but disagree with your conclusion because when you have enough data points those issues wash out.
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A football game has so many random events if it's competitive, one side may gain a clear upper hand randomly, and not because they were unusually "up" for the contest. So, a team looks incredible one week and paltry the next, often due to randomness.
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A football game has so many random events if it's competitive, one side may gain a clear upper hand randomly, and not because they were unusually "up" for the contest. So, a team looks incredible one week and paltry the next, often due to randomness.
Agreed and that us why it is a marathon, not a sprint.
If we ranked UGA based on barely beating Mizzou and being within 10 of Kent in the 4th quarter then UGA would be lucky to be ranked at all. OTOH, based solely on the Oregon game the Dawgs are #1 and it is NOT close.
It is possible that Iowa had their best game of the year against Michigan and their worst game against Ohio State. If so that indicates that Michigan is much better than Ohio State. Conversely, if Iowa had their best game against tOSU and their worst game against Michigan that would indicate that Ohio State is much better than Michigan.
We can't know based on one game or one common opponent because of the randomness you referred to but as data points and common opponents pile up the picture becomes more clear. Outliers start to clearly stand out.
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Yeah, I obviously watch the Dawgs closely, and after 3 games was not entirely sold. They simply had a lot of near random plays go their way. In the Mizzou game, nearly every "random" play in the first 3 quarters went against them. The had a lot of 4th and 1-2 yards that had not been a pattern before. It happens. Did they get motivated in the 4th or did a few things just fall their way? I think probably the latter, with some of the former. I really thought the game was lost. Mizzou broke a long run where the back was brought down on the Dawg one yard line, barely, and then they had a procedure penalty and kicked a FG. Had he scored a TD, it would have been a deep deep hole.
I know in 1980 they really should/could have lost four or five games easily, strokes of luck happened, including the 92 yard pass against Florida very late and trailing.
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And you're god damn right I don't count Iowa's last drive with 61 pass yards and a cheap garbage time TD with 8 seconds left in a 20 point game. Remove that garbage stat padding where Michigan was playing prevent and playing back-ups with seconds left in a game and Iowa passed for 185 yards and scored 1 TD on offense.
MB's response was to the "Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40" so you didn't count UMs garbage time points but point out what you believe to be tOSU's piling on = Pot/Kettle
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Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“
Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.
Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense.
So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.
I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
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Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“
Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.
Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense.
So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.
I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
yeah, that's a great point. styles absolutely make fights. like a lot of fights, most games come down to the match-ups and exploiting weaknesses.
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Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“
Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.
Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense.
So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.
I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
I fully expect that this weekend Ohio State will beat Penn State but less convincingly than Michigan did and that Michigan will beat Michigan State less convincingly than Ohio State did.
It isn't just styles it is also mental. This weekend's games are the biggest of the year for MSU/PSU.
That said, I think Penn State's pass defense and MSU's rush defense are a bit suspect. If either Ohio State or Michigan has an "on" game they could surpass the other's score.
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Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“
Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.
Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense.
So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.
I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
I'd have to rewatch to confirm but I suspect that your point about styles is also largely responsible for Michigan giving up more passing yards and tOSU giving up more rushing yards against Iowa.
My supposition is that Harbaugh, old school Big Ten guy yhat he is, focused heavily on stopping the run. That focus contributed to his defense doing better against the run but also contributed to his defense not doing as well against the pass.
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I'm not completely averse to ignoring Iowa's two minute drill late TD but if we are doing that then I'd also ignore Michigan's late TD as well.
The Iowa/Michigan game effectively ended when Michigan stopped Iowa's 4th down try at the Iowa 28. At that point Michigan had a 13 point lead and the ball with just over two minutes remaining. That would be over even if the opponent actually had a functional offense.
I let it go the other day b/c I usually don't find it worth my time to respond to Mdot, but yeah, absolutely this. To count one as garbage time but not the other is intellectually dishonest.
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I let it go the other day b/c I usually don't find it worth my time to respond to Mdot, but yeah, absolutely this. To count one as garbage time but not the other is intellectually dishonest.
yeah well I think to consider the Iowa offense as anything other than garbage is intellectually dishonest. respond to that you passive aggressive karen.
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I'd have to rewatch to confirm but I suspect that your point about styles is also largely responsible for Michigan giving up more passing yards and tOSU giving up more rushing yards against Iowa.
My supposition is that Harbaugh, old school Big Ten guy yhat he is, focused heavily on stopping the run. That focus contributed to his defense doing better against the run but also contributed to his defense not doing as well against the pass.
dude loves to run the ball and play 3 TE sets and have extra OL. he legit would probably call an entire game without passing the football if he could. this is highly unusual. most former QBs that get into coaching want to pass it every down and throw it all around the yard.
the weird thing about Harbaugh is that he's a former All-Conference and NFL QB and the dude hates.....the passing game. Actually, that's just one of MANY weird things about Jim Harbaugh.
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MB's response was to the "Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40" so you didn't count UMs garbage time points but point out what you believe to be tOSU's piling on = Pot/Kettle
yeah, nah. there's a HUGE difference between running the football vs throwing bombs up 30 points in the 4th QTR and then keeping the 1's in to throw more and throw a TD pass from the 5 yard line with said 1's to pad stats once you're already up 37.
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From the standpoint of an Iowan who saw most of the 2nd half the Michigan game (I was traveling the 1st half). And about 7/8ths of the Ohio State game. I am convinced that Ohio State - Michigan 2022 version will be an epic game. Most years I think it is the most overly publicized game on the planet. This year seems different to me.
Both teams are very, very good. I did not expect Michigan to bounce right back in 2022. It seemed to me Michigan lost stalwarts off the coaching staff.
I would give a slight edge to Ohio State. The Iowa offense had so many more completely unforced errors against Ohio State, than it did against Michigan. The Ohio State scoring margin over Iowa is deceptive. Still -- I think Ohio State played a more complete game.
Iowa's game on offense is about 50% to eliminate unforced errors. It failed completely in that endeavor at Ohio State. That mostly was not because of Ohio State, although Ohio State does have a fairly complete defense. Michigan sort of plays this year like Iowa wants to play with control over the ball, and with strong defense. So, Michigan is very good, at defeating Iowa, at Iowa's game.
It is a bit early to predict this, but my prediction is the Ohio State-Michigan game will be determined by 4-points or less for Ohio State. Good luck Michigan.
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yeah, nah. there's a HUGE difference between running the football vs throwing bombs up 30 points in the 4th QTR and then keeping the 1's in to throw more and throw a TD pass from the 5 yard line with said 1's to pad stats once you're already up 37.
Take off the Maize & Delusional goggles FFS & break your prozac in half while you are at it. You should run for office the way the obvious is ignored.You stated JEEM doesn't run the score up late & pulls starters - when it's pointed out some scrub named Corum put the icing on the cake you come back with - "yeah, nah" - any other gems you'd like to share with the congregation?
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I'd go with OSU by four as well.
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That said, I think Penn State's pass defense and MSU's rush defense are a bit suspect. If either Ohio State or Michigan has an "on" game they could surpass the other's score.
The Nitts have very good DBs. Sparty has very suspect DBs. Sparty is getting some players back on defense so I think thier rush defense will be getting better. Still not as good as say Penn State's or Iowa's.
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Take off the Maize & Delusional goggles FFS & break your prozac in half while you are at it. You should run for office the way the obvious is ignored.You stated JEEM doesn't run the score up late & pulls starters - when it's pointed out some scrub named Corum put the icing on the cake you come back with - "yeah, nah" - any other gems you'd like to share with the congregation?
LoL, thanks for taking that one for me. I thought after I dropped my "some scrub named Corum" crack it would be over but apparently not.
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Regarding this game, I watched Joel Klatt and another podcast and I thought they had some interesting takes.
Klatt started with looking at the game prior to the point when the dam broke. On Ohio State's first nine possessions (not including taking a knee at the end of the first half) the Buckeyes only had one really successful drive. The nine were:
- -13 yards, fumble, TD for Iowa
- 0 yards, INT
- 1 yard, 3-and-out FG due to Iowa INT
- 4 yards 3-and-out FG due to Iowa fumble
- 5 yards, punt
- 17 yards, FG due to Iowa's catastrophic fake punt try
- 22 yards, punt
- 24 yards, FG due to short field because Iowa was forced to punt from their own end zone
- 75 yards, TD
Klatt pointed out that this is exactly what Iowa wants to do defensively. They had scored a TD and only given up one drive in excess of 24 yards. However, this failed miserably for two reasons:
- After 9 tOSU possessions the game should have been almost over. Instead there was still 12 minutes left in the third quarter, and
- Iowa's offense is atrocious. At this point in the game Ohio State *SHOULD* have had between 7 and maybe 17 points. Instead, they had their one 75 yard TD drive and a defensive TD and FOUR FG's on short fields.
After the above nine tOSU possessions Iowa had 10 points from a defensive TD and a very long FG on a 44 yard drive which was their only reasonably successful drive of the whole game.
Even with Iowa only having 10 points, it still *SHOULD* have been a contest because, as I stated above, tOSU should have had somewhere between 7 and say 17 points so it *SHOULD* have been a 1-score game with Iowa either protecting a 3 point lead, tied, or within one score.
Instead, it was already 26-10 because Iowa's comically bad walking embodiment of nepotism offense is so dreadfully awful that they had more or less handed the Buckeyes 19 points.
The other issue is that if Iowa's offense had been able to stay on the field then after Ohio State's 9th possession the game would have been nearly over. If this had been 17-10 tOSU with 5 minutes to go then Iowa would have had a chance. Instead it was 26-10 tOSU with 27 minutes to go and then the dam broke.
Iowa threw a pick on their next possession and Ohio State responded with four straight TD's.
Note for @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) :
Ohio State's last TD came on a 3 yard pass with more than half of the 4th quarter remaining. After that tOSU's subs came in. When did Michigan send in the subs exactly?
Klatt's overall take was the tOSU optimistic view. He said that tOSU's offense had an off day and in spite of that the Buckeyes scored the most points Iowa has given up in Kirk Ferentz' tenure.
The other podcast I watched took a more tOSU pessimistic view. They pointed out that tOSU's offense has taken way too long to get going against the only two quality defenses they have played (Iowa, ND).
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Klatt's overall take was the tOSU optimistic view. He said that tOSU's offense had an off day and in spite of that the Buckeyes scored the most points Iowa has given up in Kirk Ferentz' tenure.
The other podcast I watched took a more tOSU pessimistic view. They pointed out that tOSU's offense has taken way too long to get going against the only two quality defenses they have played (Iowa, ND).
I look at it as only positive- when you can not play well for most of the game and still beat a team by 40+....yeah you're probably pretty damn good. I do think Day was trying to run it up and get his dudes stats. But I feel like that is just par for the course for him. Could be wrong- but I feel like he likes to get away from running the ball often and gets enamored with the pass game and wants to show he's the smartest guy in the room. Which- fine. He usually is. He's an insane level play-caller and probably the best offensive coach in CFB- so wtf do I know.
Having said that...OSU to me is similar to Michigan in that these teams are not even really clicking or firing on all cylinders offensively and they are still thumping teams. Which is a scary thing. JSN is a 1st rd WR. He is by far the best WR in CFB. He has yet to play or get back to speed. Once he does OSU's offense is going to jump up to another level. It just will- he will make the other WRs better- he will make CJ better- and he'll make the run game better bc he's a guy you HAVE to account for as a defense. McCarthy's arm has barely been used or asked to throw it down the field- and he's barely been used in the run game- we don't know how good he can be or how much better this team can be yet. Plus Donovan Edwards has just gotten back healthy and gotten more involved the past week or two- and to me he is by far their most talented offensive player- he could take that offense to another level if they involved him A LOT more. No disrespect to Corum who is awesome- but #7 needs more carries and more targets in the pass game- would be really neat if they actually played Corum & Edwards together...they don't do that...which I have no idea why. Still feel like Harbaugh has kept things under wraps and kept a cork on the bottle of his offense. At some point he's going to have to unleash it. You'd think.
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btw OSU D played phenomenal vs Iowa. the turnaround Jim Knowles has done in year 1 is kinda remarkable. Zach Harrison looks like a legit NFL Draft pick now. Couldn't say that before this year imo. coaching matters. a lot.
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still kinda think this wasn't cool...but that's an incredible throw by Stroud....like drop that thing right in the bucket on the money vs good coverage. Great throw will beat coverage nearly every single time....
https://twitter.com/TheBuckeyeNut/status/1583894872691396609?s=20&t=uTn7H7KjNNdS94VvPa_cOQ
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still kinda think this wasn't cool...but that's an incredible throw by Stroud....like drop that thing right in the bucket on the money vs good coverage. Great throw will beat coverage nearly every single time....
https://twitter.com/TheBuckeyeNut/status/1583894872691396609?s=20&t=uTn7H7KjNNdS94VvPa_cOQ
Yes, it was a 30 point game in the fourth quarter and yes, it was Iowa so that is a 10 possession game but:
- That play was barely in the third quarter. There were almost 14 minutes remaining when the ball was snapped, and
- The throw was long (~40 yards) but the other half was after the catch.
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No apologies Hawkeyes put 55 on the Buckeyes last time they met
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was that Chuck Long and Ronnie Harmon?
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was that Chuck Long and Ronnie Harmon?
Lol, actually it was Nate Stanley and Akrum Wadley
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2017 - 329 ypg
So, there's a chance that this Brian led offense could explode any time.
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Iowa safety Amani Hooker returned an interception 30 yards for a touchdown on the first play from scrimmage, and that helped to set the tone, and set the stage, for an upset.
Iowa led 31-17 at halftime and 38-17 after three quarters as tight ends T.J. Hockenson and Noah Fant combined to score four consecutive touchdowns, two apiece, during a stretch from the second quarter to the third quarter.
Iowa finished with 487 yards and achieved almost perfect balance with 244 passing yards and 243 rushing yards.
Brian Ferentz was in his first season as the Iowa offensive coordinator, and he pushed all the right buttons in this game as the Buckeyes had no answer for his offense.
Iowa running back Akrum Wadley rushed for 118 yards on 20 carries and also had three catches for 40 yards.
Backup running James Butler also played a key role for Iowa with 70 rushing yards on 10 carries.
Iowa quarterback Nate Stanley passed for 225 yards and five touchdown passes, including one in which an Ohio State defender was wrapped around his leg, but Stanley refused to go down.
Stanley’s five touchdown passes tied a Kinnick Stadium record and he also became the first quarterback in 20 years to throw five touchdown passes and zero interceptions against Ohio State.
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It's why this game is all about matchups. Iowa had 2 NFL TEs and Ohio State had awful LBs. Then JT Barret just had a rough game with 4 INTs, and Iowa punished him for those. And Nick Bosa got ejected for targeting. Just one of those games. And then of course Iowa lost their next 2 games to Wisconsin and Purdue as they scored 14 and 15 points.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GljKGaV9HjY
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better late than never
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Perfect start to a cfb Saturday, to hear the Paul Keels highlights from the week before.
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It's why this game is all about matchups. Iowa had 2 NFL TEs and Ohio State had awful LBs. Then JT Barret just had a rough game with 4 INTs, and Iowa punished him for those. And Nick Bosa got ejected for targeting. Just one of those games. And then of course Iowa lost their next 2 games to Wisconsin and Purdue as they scored 14 and 15 points.
I am not fond of your post. I went to that Iowa-Wisc. game. The Iowa defense was damned good at scoring, and the Iowa Brian Ferentz offense specialized at 3 and out, run, run, pass, and out. Please stop. Your nightmarish post is giving me a nightmare.