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Title: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Hawkinole on October 13, 2022, 01:20:58 AM
Brian defends his job as offensive coordinator. Ohio State celebrates non-resignation, and utter nonsense vocalized in Iowa City. (I cannot believe this guy got a degree from the University of Iowa - what department award this degree? - he is not an English  major - almost certainly not - he makes no sense.) Consider the psychological damage he is doing to the players on the offensive side of the ball to try to support his own psyche.  Brian Ferentz explains why he wouldn't consider resigning (hawkcentral.com) (https://www.hawkcentral.com/videos/sports/college/iowa/football/2022/10/12/brian-ferentz-explains-why-he-wouldnt-consider-resigning/10478833002/)
I would move B.F. to O-Line coach, and let Jon Budmayr take over as O-Coordinator over which he has experience, and as QB coach over which he has experience, immediately, and move the ineffective o-line coach to Analyst to replace Budmayr. I cannot believe Captain Kirk has not thought of this.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 07:01:31 AM
Capt Kirk has been paid like he's untouchable.Shit can him,renege on his contract.Announce that the rest of his contract went to the Children's Hospital right next door to the stadium. Also that it was a gross error in Judgement to pay a lamp shade like him millions of dollars a year for over 2 decades.Then get Bert,Lance or anybody but Brian
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MarqHusker on October 13, 2022, 07:47:32 AM
No Controlling Legal Authority....
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 13, 2022, 07:56:09 AM
Capt Kirk has been paid like he's untouchable.Shit can him,renege on his contract.Announce that the rest of his contract went to the Children's Hospital right next door to the stadium. Also that it was a gross error in Judgement to pay a lamp shade like him millions of dollars a year for over 2 decades.Then get Bert,Lance or anybody but Brian
Firing Kirk involves a massive buyout but legally his son reports to the AD so Barta can fire Brian and if Kirk resigns in protest there is no buyout because that is a resignation not a firing. 

The above is a non-lawyer legal opinion so maybe @MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) , @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , @MaximumSam (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1572) or another lawyer could chime in.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 08:09:38 AM
Was Barta the one who extended the massive contract?

If so, fire him and hire an AD who would promise to fire Brian.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: GopherRock on October 13, 2022, 09:06:14 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidEickholt/status/1580263079379865600?s=20&t=CcQHY1YDRwcr6O-vj_XWAA
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: LittlePig on October 13, 2022, 09:50:26 AM
As an Iowa fan nobody is more frustrated than me.  I threw my tantrum earlier this week but I have come to accept that nothing is changing.  It only gets worse. 

On a side note,  I can't even watch Iowa games live on tv anymore.  I record the games and watch them Sat night.  Fast-forwarding through the long pauses between plays hoping somebody will eventually score,  which usually ends up being the defense scoring, not the offense.  But you can't stop watching because Iowa keeps the game close and and sometimes wins.

This of course is not just the Iowa offense's fault.  College football on TV is becoming unwatchable if all you are trying to do is watch 1 game only and do nothing else.  And it is brutal when your team never scores.  College football on TV I guess is meant to be turned on and watched briefly then you switch to another game or go do something else.  I challenge any non-Iowa fan to try to watch an entire Iowa game and do nothing else.  It can't  be done.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: LittlePig on October 13, 2022, 09:54:00 AM
Ok maybe I am still a little upset about the Brian Ferentz offense.  His press conference did not help.  Coming across like usual A-Hole  that he is.  Giving long confusing babbling non-answers to straight forward questions.  It's like he is mocking the press and the fans with his attitude.

iowa DC Phil Parker's press conferences are the complete opposite.  He gives straight forward answers, stating what the problem is,  who is playing well and who is not, and how he plans to fix it.  A complete breath of fresh air compared to the Ferentz B.S.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 10:31:01 AM
Firing Kirk involves a massive buyout but legally his son reports to the AD so Barta can fire Brian and if Kirk resigns in protest there is no buyout because that is a resignation not a firing.
Fire Brian!!!
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: bayareabadger on October 13, 2022, 12:24:58 PM
Ok maybe I am still a little upset about the Brian Ferentz offense.  His press conference did not help.  Coming across like usual A-Hole  that he is.  Giving long confusing babbling non-answers to straight forward questions.  It's like he is mocking the press and the fans with his attitude.
I'm not defending him, but it is basic human nature to get huffy if people are just crushing you, even if you deserve it. Also, long confusing babbling non-answers are kinda the standard. 

Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Mdot21 on October 13, 2022, 02:13:29 PM
https://twitter.com/HeavensFX/status/1580310472221659136?s=20&t=_6XwaURxshLPJ7nW7d_www
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 03:25:40 PM
I'm not defending him, but it is basic human nature to get huffy if people are just crushing you, even if you deserve it. Also, long confusing babbling non-answers are kinda the standard.
Depends on what he said but if LP is accurate in his account,confusing babble answers aren't standard or exceptable.I'm not privy to squat but I can read a boxscore & this guy should be apologizing and state EXACTLY what he plans to do about the absolutely pitiful performance
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Hawkinole on October 14, 2022, 12:10:46 AM
Firing Kirk involves a massive buyout but legally his son reports to the AD so Barta can fire Brian and if Kirk resigns in protest there is no buyout because that is a resignation not a firing.

The above is a non-lawyer legal opinion so maybe @MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) , @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , @MaximumSam (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1572) or another lawyer could chime in.
Your legal opinion is correct. A resignation would generally constitute its own breach of contract, depending on what the contract provides, there should be no buyout.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Hawkinole on October 14, 2022, 12:22:17 AM
https://twitter.com/HeavensFX/status/1580310472221659136?s=20&t=_6XwaURxshLPJ7nW7d_www
As you point out in video clip #1, Spencer Petras ranks 118th out of the 118 FBS QBs rated for passing efficiency. With a porous o-line trying to use Padilla who is not a statue at QB is an advantage.
I get the point the coaches want to make -- Petras has a strong arm for the deep ball. He constantly overthrows receivers. He throws behind receivers. If given protection, or if Petras could move within or out of the pocket to buy time he could burn Ohio State deep with his strong arm. Padilla reads receivers and releases the ball quickly. Petras reads slowly, and gets sacked. The 118th ranked QB is a statue led by his 131st ranked offensive coordinator. Petras will not burn Ohio State short, deep, or middle range.
All this said, I doubt Padilla would be a big difference maker, but as coach you need to try to do something else when what you are doing is disastrous. Petras could always be brought back in if Padilla is worse.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 14, 2022, 01:01:05 AM
Sometimes the backup QB is just clueless, and doesn't even know which way to hand the ball off. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 14, 2022, 08:12:27 AM
As you point out in video clip #1, Spencer Petras ranks 118th out of the 118 FBS QBs rated for passing efficiency. With a porous o-line trying to use Padilla who is not a statue at QB is an advantage.
I get the point the coaches want to make -- Petras has a strong arm for the deep ball. He constantly overthrows receivers. He throws behind receivers. If given protection, or if Petras could move within or out of the pocket to buy time he could burn Ohio State deep with his strong arm. Padilla reads receivers and releases the ball quickly. Petras reads slowly, and gets sacked. The 118th ranked QB is a statue led by his 131st ranked offensive coordinator. Petras will not burn Ohio State short, deep, or middle range.
All this said, I doubt Padilla would be a big difference maker, but as coach you need to try to do something else when what you are doing is disastrous. Petras could always be brought back in if Padilla is worse.
Yeah, it isn't like you have much to lose. They are already worst-in-the-country bad so the alternative can't possibly be much worse, time to try something, anything. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 14, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
Petras has a strong arm for the deep ball.

but,..the offense doesn't have many vertical options 

and doesn't seems to have many vertical options to run those types of routes
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: rook119 on October 14, 2022, 11:39:15 AM
some people say he's the 131st worst OC, I like to say that he's the 131st best. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 14, 2022, 11:58:02 AM
he's not as good as GD Greg Davis

is that guy still employed on an offensive staff?

asking for a friend
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Abba on October 14, 2022, 11:59:03 AM
Does Kirk have any other family that could join the coaching staff?
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 14, 2022, 11:59:59 AM
good idea.

They could run the offense and the QB

immediate upgrade
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Abba on October 14, 2022, 12:03:44 PM
I think if Brian got a little competition from another family member, he may improve his coaching.  Plus that family member you hire would certainly be good.  Looks like James Ferentz is our guy, but he is still participating in the NFL.  So that's something to look forward to soon when he retires.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: bayareabadger on October 14, 2022, 11:52:05 PM
Sometimes the backup QB is just clueless, and doesn't even know which way to hand the ball off.
This is often my thought. 

Like, the kid is bad, but also much better than us. So it's deeply reasonable that a backup could be worse. Shoot, we've all seen a lot of rosters when scholarship guys are just not that good (or not at the right spot in their development)
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 15, 2022, 12:18:37 AM
This is often my thought.

Like, the kid is bad, but also much better than us. So it's deeply reasonable that a backup could be worse. Shoot, we've all seen a lot of rosters when scholarship guys are just not that good (or not at the right spot in their development)


Yeah, I was thinking of a game I was at where they finally benched Steve Bellisari and brought in gunslinger Scott McMullen, who proceeded to hand the ball off left when the RB was on is right, and right when the RB was on his left.

When they put Bellisari back in, the fans were booing a lot less. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: LittlePig on October 15, 2022, 04:04:31 AM
Except in Iowa's case, the backup QB Alex Padilla actually started 3 games last year and went 3-0 as a starter.  In typical Iowa fashion his stats were not great,  but Iowa won anyway.  His accuracy was low but he had a little better mobility than cement shoes Petras.  The mobility he showed last year could have been useful behind Iowa's awful OL this year.  But Padilla has not played 1 snap this year at QB.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MrNubbz on October 15, 2022, 09:05:35 AM
Dumb,Tressel had no problem moving Craig Krenzel over and in.Though lumbering the guy seemed to always deliver - was clutch,big and tough as nails. If they play error free and move the chains I'd take a chance and move MR.3-0 over and in.Standing pat obviously isn't the answer

FIRE BRIAN!!!
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 15, 2022, 04:39:31 PM
Dumb,Tressel had no problem moving Craig Krenzel over and in.Though lumbering the guy seemed to always deliver - was clutch,big and tough as nails. If they play error free and move the chains I'd take a chance and move MR.3-0 over and in.Standing pat obviously isn't the answer

FIRE BRIAN!!!
Well Krenzel did get to start the final game of that season of course, after Scotty Mac blew the Illibuck game. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: LittlePig on October 15, 2022, 08:49:22 PM
I see Charlie Jones just scored on another TD catch for Purdue. 

Charlie Jones played for Iowa for 3 years and had 3 TD catches total for Iowa.  He already has 8 TD catches in 7 games for Purdue.    Jones is exhibit A for how Iowa wastes WR talent.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Hawkinole on October 15, 2022, 11:55:19 PM
Except in Iowa's case, the backup QB Alex Padilla actually started 3 games last year and went 3-0 as a starter.  In typical Iowa fashion his stats were not great,  but Iowa won anyway.  His accuracy was low but he had a little better mobility than cement shoes Petras.  The mobility he showed last year could have been useful behind Iowa's awful OL this year.  But Padilla has not played 1 snap this year at QB.
Padilla receivers had a 17.9% drop rate compared to Petras's receiver drop rate of 6.3% in 2021. The high drop rate negatively affected Padilla's completion percentage. Plus, Padilla is mobile, has a quicker release, and Iowa has a porous offensive line.
I am not suggesting Padilla will save the season for Iowa; we cannot possibly know unless he plays. Is Padilla worse than the worst? This is what Brian Ferentz is saying through his words and deeds. Padilla probably has the inside track to start next season, will he want to play at Iowa if Brian Ferentz continues as O-Coordinator / Quarterbacks Coach?
I just picked this up off Wikipedia: On his year as a running backs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back) coach, Ferentz stated in 2020 during a coaching clinic "I'm like the worst running back coach in America. I was a shitty running back coach... I did it for a year, and I quit. It was too hard. I was no good at it."[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Ferentz#cite_note-20) After taking over as quarterbacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) coach in spring 2022, Ferentz told media "man, I got a lot to learn." 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 23, 2022, 02:18:43 AM
Except in Iowa's case, the backup QB Alex Padilla actually started 3 games last year and went 3-0 as a starter.  In typical Iowa fashion his stats were not great,  but Iowa won anyway.  His accuracy was low but he had a little better mobility than cement shoes Petras.  The mobility he showed last year could have been useful behind Iowa's awful OL this year.  But Padilla has not played 1 snap this year at QB.
So they put him in vs OSU, and he turned the ball over on his first play with a botched snap. Then on his next play he turned it over with an interception. 

Not, not good. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: LittlePig on October 23, 2022, 09:11:47 AM
Iowa could still sneak a victory or 2 this year but maybe it's time to give up and start playing the redshirt freshman QB Joey Labas and start building for the future.

Of course Kirk Ferentz may not be interested in starting over again.  Kirk might play Petras or Padilla the rest of the year,  maybe even sneak in one last bowl game, take some time to think about it, and step down in June.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MrNubbz on October 23, 2022, 09:27:17 AM
Both defenses yesterday outscored Iowa's offense
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 23, 2022, 09:27:25 AM
AD needs to step in and fire BF - now.

Can't throw a freshman QB out there with this shit game plans. He'll get eaten alive.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MrNubbz on October 23, 2022, 09:30:55 AM
Iowa on Offense

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Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 10:13:46 AM
So they put him in vs OSU, and he turned the ball over on his first play with a botched snap. Then on his next play he turned it over with an interception.

Not, not good.
it's always nice to show the fans that want the 2nd stringer, WHY he's NOT starting
Husker's 2nd string QB was put in a game, was sacked in the endzone and fumbled the ball for a defensive TD
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: LittlePig on October 23, 2022, 05:52:38 PM
The over/under for the Iowa-NW game is 31.5,  which is believed to be the lowest number in college football betting history.

I say 31.5 is too optimistic.  This could be the first game in a long time to finish with a 2-0 score.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 05:59:09 PM
yup, Iowa favored by 9

Northwestern might not score

Iowa might not score 9

well, it's doubtful for the offense
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Mdot21 on October 23, 2022, 06:07:28 PM
he would be a brilliant OC if he'd just punt every 1st down
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 06:16:28 PM
not sure if I'd use the term brilliant, but he'd be much better
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 23, 2022, 10:36:20 PM
not sure if I'd use the term brilliant, but he'd be much better
People usually say this as a joke or exaggeration buy in the Iowa/tOSU game the Hawkeyes would literally have been better off to punt on first down every time.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 23, 2022, 10:46:51 PM
Brian Ferentz is no joke
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: LittlePig on October 24, 2022, 06:29:14 AM
Charlie Jones update

WR Charlie Jones had 3 TD catches in 3 years for Iowa.  In 8 games for Purdue Jones has 9 TD catches and 72 catches total for Purdue.  He is the poster child for how a player can flourish under one system and just drown in another. 

It's interesting.  Purdue is kind of looked at as the opposite of Iowa.  Somehow Jeff Brahm takes average WR's and QB's and makes them look like all Big Ten.  And guess who Purdue's OC is?  Jeff Brahm's brother Brian Brohm.    Meanwhile Purdue's pass defense can't stop anybody. 

So as different as Purdue and Iowa are,  they both have an offensive coordinater named Brian who is a direct family member of the head coach.  
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 24, 2022, 09:03:05 AM
Iowa football is in danger of being left behind in new era of college football (yahoo.com) (https://sports.yahoo.com/iowa-football-danger-being-left-165537771.html)
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Mdot21 on October 24, 2022, 09:09:51 AM
the fact that they can be so good on defense and yet so terrible on offense at the same time is astounding. Doesn’t make sense. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: FearlessF on October 24, 2022, 09:57:07 AM
So as different as Purdue and Iowa are,  they both have an offensive coordinater named Brian who is a direct family member of the head coach. 
apparently the Brohm family knows a little more about Offense 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: MrNubbz on October 24, 2022, 10:07:24 AM
yup, Iowa favored by 9

Northwestern might not score

Iowa might not score 9

well, it's doubtful for the offense
Wonder if Vegas will even post an over/under as their boxscores have been bat shit crazy.Odds makers might be afraid that opponents might load their defenses with offensive guys
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Hawkinole on October 24, 2022, 10:14:13 AM
So as different as Purdue and Iowa are,  they both have an offensive coordinater named Brian who is a direct family member of the head coach. 
Both Brohms are former NFL QBs. Brian Brohm is Co-Offensive Coordinator, and QBs coach.
Brian Ferentz was never a QB, but he too is an offensive coordinator, and QBs coach.
The downside of nepotism is especially telling when there is a performance problem, and for which nothing is done, or the wrong thing is done. There was a doubling down and tripling down on Brian Ferentz, and promoting him to QBs coach, when it was obvious at the end of last season he should have been demoted to position coach, or fired. Coaching O-Line would be in his bailiwick; the O-Line is awful and needs help. The QB position is awful and needs help, but not from Brian Ferentz. Iowa has Jon Budmayr on staff as an analyst. He played QB, and has been a QBs coach. 
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Hawkinole on November 06, 2022, 10:41:03 PM
The Iowa offense has moved up to 129th!
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Cincydawg on November 07, 2022, 06:22:58 AM
A team could have a statistically bad defense because they have a run and shoot offense along with most of their opponents.  I don't think this is the case here.
Title: Re: Brian Ferentz, 131st worst of 131 offenses in FBS, as O-Coordinator
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 07, 2022, 07:01:59 AM
A run and shoot themselves in the foot offense, perhaps.