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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Kris60 on September 20, 2022, 06:17:34 AM
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WVU plays Virginia Tech Thursday night and a friend and I were talking about where it ranks as a rivalry compared to Pitt. There is no doubt Pitt is WVU’s oldest and most noted rival. I don’t deny that at all.
But, for me, VT is a bigger rivalry from a personal standpoint. I live in the southern part of the state. I’m actually closer to Blacksburg than Morgantown. I know VT fans, I work with VT fans, I’ll see people out wearing VT gear, I see VT decals on cars. I don’t encounter any of that with Pitt. Also, my first memories of WVU football date back to 1982.
In my time watching games VT has been more successful and nationally relevant than Pitt. I missed Pitt’s run as a national power from the mid 70s through the early 80s.
Just curious what your biggest rival is from a personal standpoint. It may be an answer everyone expects but just wonder if a few of you might have different a answers for your own reasons.
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Ohio Dame
Notre State
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TSUN (That school up North)
Penn State - A very distant 2nd
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Being near the Houston area I personally work with and see a lot more LSU fans and grads than any other fan base. I’ve had bosses that were LSU grads. Several, in fact. It really hasn’t been much of a rivalry because we haven’t won much in the last few years but there have been some thrilling games in there.
The few UT grads I work with couldn’t tell you if ut is 0-12 or 12-0. They literally don’t care. So it’s hard to trash talk them.
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Minnesota
Iowa
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Ohio State (fading)
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OU - Longtime OOC rivalry only got more intense when we started playing in-conference. More nationally relevant games with them over the years, than with our other main rivals.
Texas A&M - In-state rivalry, lots of "house divided" families, including mine. Two biggest universities in a football-obsessed state. Natural rivalry.
Arkansas - Longhorn fans older than I am, will put them at #2 over the Ags. Longhorn fans younger than i am, will say "Arkansas who?" since this game has only been played handful of times in their lifetime. But I grew up with this as an annual SWC tilt, up to and including my first 2 years of college. I remember.
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no comment from Nebraska
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Florida Auburn Tennessee
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WVU plays Virginia Tech Thursday night and a friend and I were talking about where it ranks as a rivalry compared to Pitt. There is no doubt Pitt is WVU’s oldest and most noted rival. I don’t deny that at all.
But, for me, VT is a bigger rivalry from a personal standpoint. I live in the southern part of the state. I’m actually closer to Blacksburg than Morgantown. I know VT fans, I work with VT fans, I’ll see people out wearing VT gear, I see VT decals on cars. I don’t encounter any of that with Pitt. Also, my first memories of WVU football date back to 1982.
In my time watching games VT has been more successful and nationally relevant than Pitt. I missed Pitt’s run as a national power from the mid 70s through the early 80s.
Just curious what your biggest rival is from a personal standpoint. It may be an answer everyone expects but just wonder if a few of you might have different a answers for your own reasons.
I work for a WV law firm, and I think they rank Pitt #1 by a mile
As for MSU, obviously UM by a mile. Trophy games against Indiana (meh) and ND (sure). Wisconsin became a fun one there for a minute, particularly since they've been the most consistent basketball programs in the conference for the past 25 years, but they simply haven't played enough over the past decade
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tenn and auburn are both tops in different ways.
i enjoy beating tenn more. this hasn't been the case for a decade or so, but they've historically been the tougher opp with more prestige and harder to beat. if they beat us, hated it, but wasn't the worst thing or something we could overcome.
for auburn, can't stand losing to them. a win usually doesn't mean much, but a loss is devastating.
during my formative years through college, both had periods where hate was redefined. for tenn, from late 90's-fat phil firing, it was about as heated a rivalry as i've known. f the vols, all of them, @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) included :)
for the barn, the tubs era, fear the thumbs bs sucked so bad.
unfortunately, those coincided considerably. thankfully, it's bee rectified.
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florida... the hate for the arrogant gators runs deep. i think the record is something like 31-20 in favor of those jackwagons- which is to say they've outright won 10, were handed the game by zebras (the dumbest calls in this series, and yeah it's gone both ways but heavily favors the lizards), and Tennessee beat themselves the remainder. tennessee plays their worst game of teh season almost every season against the gators.... it's maybe the biggest mental block in all of sports- seriously.
bama- there is healthy respect for them, though, as what they've accomplished over the last 15 years is remarkable... though saban is excruciatingly cocky, it is fairly earned. there was a time when this game really mattered. the problem with the series is it's rarely played when both teams are good... it's always one climbing or holding while the other is fading... i'd love for it to matter again.
georgia- the most idiotic people in the game. well, maybe bested by ND people... but... they act like they've always mattered and nobody- like tennessee- who've dominated them ever has... they want to talk current, or they want to talk early eighties... they want to ignore any other time existed. then, the band wagon jumpers who want to talk shit but can't tell you the differences between playcalls on first or fourth down, much less the differences between unsportsmanlike and targeting... they just want to beat their chests and talk about how much better they are at everything- and this describes 80+% of people in Sanford stadium...
but honestly? i hold no ill will toward any of them... i've explained it like this in the past: If your team was dissolved tomorrow, would you lose interest in the game? and... i doubt it... which means we're all CFB fans first- and then teams and maybe conferences afterward. and that's why i watch them all (that i can), because it's the greatest sport of all time- pitting one collective against the other- a huge torrent of moving parts from coaching, preparing, practicing, strategizing, developing tactics to achieve strategy complimenting overall composition and for a season as well as a game- creating contingencies and hoping you got it right- marking and negotiating individual matchups (such as a WR against a CB) as individuals.... seeking and exploiting a mismatch that may result in a game final of 70-3, but doesn't speak as badly as the losing team as much as the winning team's ability to identify and exploit a mismatch/weakness of components... the constant evolving schemes and the revival of long forgotten schemes as new... the tradition and the allegiances are just the icing.
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OSU2 just became available. Oklahoma series will be terminated.
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but honestly? i hold no ill will toward any of them... i've explained it like this in the past: If your team was dissolved tomorrow, would you lose interest in the game? and... i doubt it... which means we're all CFB fans first- and then teams and maybe conferences afterward. and that's why i watch them all (that i can), because it's the greatest sport of all time- pitting one collective against the other- a huge torrent of moving parts from coaching, preparing, practicing, strategizing, developing tactics to achieve strategy complimenting overall composition and for a season as well as a game- creating contingencies and hoping you got it right- marking and negotiating individual matchups (such as a WR against a CB) as individuals.... seeking and exploiting a mismatch that may result in a game final of 70-3, but doesn't speak as badly as the losing team as much as the winning team's ability to identify and exploit a mismatch/weakness of components... the constant evolving schemes and the revival of long forgotten schemes as new... the tradition and the allegiances are just the icing.
i'll disagree with this some. i'm a bama fan first, and a cfb fan second. my interest would definitely fade some if bama were dissolved. i'd still watch games, sure, no doubt. but on weekends bama is on bye or not playing, it's rare that i plan my weekend around a game. i just catch them when i can. i figure i'd probably become a fan in that sense.
either that, or i'd pick up one of the teams i have a soft spot for (psu, uab, troy, marshall) and start following them heavily.
everything else you spoke to is a great explanation why i think cfb is much better than the nfl. sure, the best cfb talent goes to nfl and its fun to watch the best of the best. but the nfl game is so... vanilla or something. all seem the same, just who's slightly better at the moment. which is fun for a tournament (why nfl playoff is so much fun), but kinda sucks not having the differentiation for the season. jmo
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Minnesota can eat s^*%
Iowa is next. In college I had a real personal hatred for Michigan (that dipped as the series got closer). Was mostly lukewarm on Ohio State, and honestly that hasn’t changed all that much.
MSU was up there for a minute, but the games are less often and it’s been a while since a loss that pissed me off, I think?
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Minnesota can eat s^*%
Iowa is next. In college I had a real personal hatred for Michigan (that dipped as the series got closer). Was mostly lukewarm on Ohio State, and honestly that hasn’t changed all that much.
MSU was up there for a minute, but the games are less often and it’s been a while since a loss that pissed me off, I think?
I was in East Lansing when Bert lost that game all by himself. That pissed me off.
2004... Badgers were 9-0 and supposed to roll - and they got slaughtered.
I've always liked MSU though. Fun place to go.
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MV from Fringe Bowl Team wrote a blog post about 10 years ago about how intense college football rivalries are. I'm trying to find it on the wayback machine.
Minnesota's rivalries with Wisconsin, Iowa, and to a lesser extent the U of North Dakota vary greatly depending on what part of the state you're in.
I don't have a lot of heat towards Iowa myself, but it gets very ugly along the I-90 corridor. Many friends of mine grew up in rural southwestern Minnesota, and those that came to Minneapolis for college have a much deeper and more visceral dislike of Iowa than I do. Oddly enough, Iowa State is a popular destination for Twin Cities-area high schoolers for studying engineering.
One reason why there is so much heat towards Wisconsin is reciprocity. Some years ago, the Legislatures of Minnesota and Wisconsin came to an agreement to allow students to attend college in the other state and only pay the in-state rate while doing so. As such, the outstate UW schools (most notably Stout, Eau Claire, and LaCrosse) are very popular destinations for Twin Cities-area students. Likewise, a large fraction of UMN undergrads come from southeast Wisconsin (the Milwaukee burbs, Madison, Green Bay, etc.). They tend to bring their childhood Badger gear with them to college, and then wear it to the Axe game, and elsewhere around campus. Between this and some awful losses to the red weasels during undergrad, this used to make my blood boil. Add in the stupidity from the Brewster-Fat Bret era that has thankfully been dialed down, and I was getting REALLY pissed off losing to Wisconsin.
But then, PJ's Gophers brought the Axe back from Madison in 2018. You have no idea how much bad juju that win resolved on the Minnesota side.
Since then, between that and my mellowing in my old age, I've gotten a lot more zen about how wins and losses affect me. I still love watching college football, both on TV and in person. I enjoy pregaming. And I am grateful for the friends I've made along the way, including many on this forum.
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Michigan is of course #1, but Purdue is a team that also gets under my skin. I also like basketball, and they have caused a lot of devastation for the Buckeyes in both sports. 2011 & 2018 in football --- woof. And then injuring our beloved Kyle Young to go along with Jaden Ivey hitting 3 game winners against the Buckeyes in basketball.
I guess it's probably fair to say that it's Michigan #1 with rotating teams behind them. That #2 team is Purdue right now, followed probably by Clemson as 3rd (football only).
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I have found the blog post in question.
This was originally posted on the Fringe Bowl Team blog on September 25, 2012.
It's a curious sort of thing, these college football rivalries.
Perhaps more than any other major American sport, matched in intensity only by Euro League and World Cup level futbol, the passion and unadulterated ire that seeps from the pores of college football fans in the weeks, days and moment of a true rivalry game is what makes the sport so special.
In the NFL, intra-division rivals -no matter how much history of hate is involved- take almost a backseat to reaching the playoffs for most teams and fans. Winning the Super Bowl is every team's goal to begin the season and, as parity and free agency go, is not so ludicrous a premise for even the most forlorn of franchises (OK, except for Cleveland. You guys are forever screwed.) Moreover, if the Vikings were to knock off the Packahs at Lambeau Field early in the season, the Cheeseheads get to mobilize their rage efforts for another go-round later in the year. Splitting a season rivalry is so anticlimatic -- though it's also very NFL in the most derogatory of terms. Redemption and a shot at payback arrive several weeks later; there's simply not enough time to let the fire of a loss burn in the cauldron.
Baseball? Selig's league arguably has only one rivalry of note, and the rest of the non-New York and New England residing population could care less about Yankees-Sox ad nauseam.
Basketball? Rivalries in basketball died back in the 80's, along with calling traveling for taking three steps.
Hockey? Better, still not great, if for no other reason than the NHL authorizes the contractual employment of sociopaths to retaliate against cheap shots to your team's star player(s).
Yet pro sports are missing the critical elements that let any good rivalry develop and stew from the primordial soup: time, and importance.
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When the Gophers capture Floyd of Rosedale, the Hawkeyes and their fans can neither drape themselves in black and gold to Minnesota's agony nor get a shot at revenge for at least another a year. That's 40-52 weeks to let that ember burn, a boiling anger that spills over and is left to simmer for the better part of 300 days. Each and every day, Kirk Ferentz and his players stare at a glass enclosure where Floyd would rest if they'd have earned him on the field. That absence serves as a painful, heartburn inducing reminder of their collective failure in a game that matters so much to so many.
Likewise, rotating schedules within the Big Ten allow for a scenario like the one in which the Gophers have experienced over the last two years, a multiyear gap between defending Floyd in Iowa City. That only adds to the intensity of Iowa's desire to redeem themselves at home, in front of their fans. It's been three years since the Iowa City faithful have seen their beloved Squawks hoist Floyd at Kinnick, a fact that's not lost on Ferentz, the Iowa players or their fans.
Still, it's not as if the Gophers are going to simply roll over for Herky and their asinine, psychological warfare inspired pink visiting locker room. These Gophers have just as much to prove, and as much at stake, to retain Floyd and notch a victory at Kinnick. Minnesota is out to avenge the previous five iterations of Maroon and Gold warriors who fell short in the Iowa City, and perhaps deal a little retribution right back to the abhorrent and boorish Iowa fanbase who see fit to perform lewd acts (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/11/27/lois-feldman-fired-after-metrodome-sex-arrest-photos/) in public and treat the Metrodome goalposts (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://youtu.be/qnUoQZUAdvA) as their own totemic symbols of triumph. The former is a thread of tapestry between dueling fanbase banter that keeps the stove burning. The latter serves as a constant motivational tool for Minnesota coaches since 2002 to set the players' hair and souls ablaze with hatred -- not that they needed much coaxing to get into hate week.
See, it matters what happens on the field between true rivals such as Minnesota and Iowa. In a sport where the regular season takes on far more significance than any other, a weekly discriminator between ultimate glory and the throws of lesser fortunes, nothing takes on more importance than beating your bitter rivals. Coaches lose their jobs, despite nominal achievements otherwise, for losing too many of these games. Entire seasons boil down to the result of one game, reducing the weight of everything else that happened in the other 11-13 weeks. Certainly for Minnesota fans, the torturous 2010 campaign was rewarded by the football gods, a devil may care interim head coach and a record setting quarterback looking to top off his sigmoidal career with the one realistic accomplishment he'd yet to achieve. Likewise, a difficult and bruising transition the following year pivoted between utter hopelessness and a crawl towards competency on a recovered onside kick and a suddenly demonstrative quarterback refusing to let his team lose.
That's the beauty of these games. It creates legends and lasting echoes to be remembered long after the final whistle and results are tallied in the league standings. Ten years later, we are still seething with hatred at Iowa's coronation at the Metrodome. My jaw still clenches when I recall the following year, when Glen Mason fielded the best Gopher team in three decades and one of college football's most unstoppable offenses, letting the game slip away as Asad Abdul-Khaliq and Laurence Maroney -two of the best Gophers in a decade- fumbled inside the redzone, in the first half. The Gophers would turn the ball over 5 times that awful November afternoon, including 4 fumbles from a team that had lost only 5 fumbles all season. The very next season, my anger would reach Fukoshima reactor levels as the Gophers nearly overcame another turnover riddled game to steal a victory in the waning seconds against Iowa behind the strong leg of Rhys Lloyd, though a Marion Barber III rush stuffed behind the line of scrimmage pushed the upcoming field goal try beyond 50 yards, and the furious Gopher rally came up short.
It would take Mason until 2006, in his penultimate game as Gophers head coach, to best Ferentz and end a half decade of misery. And yet, that half decade of futility was nothing compared to the ether fire that was the Tim Brewster era, three years of embarrassing failures that accentuated just how overmatched and outclassed the snake oil salesmen was against his Big Ten "peers." The Gophers were outscored 88-16 during this period.
However, from agony comes ecstasy, as Brewster's departure gave way to heroics from Jeff Horton, Adam Weber and a burgeoning Hawkeye killer: MarQueis Gray. There was Horton's YOLO style predetermined move to kick the onside after the Gophers' first possession. Weber's unbelievable pitch and catch to Da'John McKnight for 40 yards that the Dallas native plucked an inch (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://youtu.be/38U76koXyHI?t=6s) off the frozen TCF Bank Stadium turf, followed by even more YOLO for Horton with a halfback pass from Duane Bennett back to Weber with Iowa's star defensive end Adrian Clayborn barreling down. Then, Gray uncurled "The Run," by far the hardest, iron willed yards MarQueis has gained to date as a Gopher, tackle breaking and spinning for six yards. Bennett finished off the drive with a 6 yard touchdown stake through the heart of the Iowa defense a play later, though it was one generation of Gopher signal caller (Weber) passing the torch on to another (Gray) that captured the narrative on the day. Of course, Troy Stoudermire would save one last bit (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://youtu.be/XuUufolpBH0) of magic to cap the moment, a fitting end to an improbable story of resolve and refusal of a 4 year starter to end his career without a single trophy game win. For their gratitude, the student section showered Weber and the Gophers with praise at midfield (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://youtu.be/851MJSjpD48).
Of course, Gray's work as Minnesota's newest Hawkeye slayer wasn't done. A year later, in Jerry Kill's inaugural season in Minneapolis, the freshly demonstrative Gray led the Gophers, down 11 in the fourth quarter, marched down the field for a quick score with eight minutes left. Then, this happened (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://youtu.be/t6-1M_NnRnM) -- a perfectly orchestrated sequence between Jordan Wettstein, Lamonte Edwards and Kim Royston to give the Gophers another shot. Destined to top himself from the previous acts of football heroism, Q pulled down the best 3rd yard touchdown run (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://youtu.be/iQ75LGvBJj0) of his career -- a marvelous and exhilarating run in which everything just worked, from Bennett's block that took out both a linebacker and a safety, to Brandon Green's slant route that pulled the Iowa corner inside just enough to allow Q to race towards the pylon.
It was precisely that moment when the team, begrudgingly tolerant of an interloper from DeKalb up until then, began to believe in their head coach -- and likewise, believe in themselves. Kill referred to the win in the locker room afterwards (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://youtu.be/xGP0UupeRCg) as the most proud he's been of a team in his 29 years of coaching, and a pivotable turning point for the program. He was right, as the team left behind the woes of 2011 and 2010 and has been steadily improving every game since, notching 5 straight wins from Illinois to Syracuse.
And it circles back to keeping Floyd, the task at hand for this week, another patch in the ever growing tapestry of hatred that blankets Minnesota and Iowa football every fall. The crochets of this doily has been spun since 1891, though the threads really started to needle both sides when Bernie Bierman requested police assistance after Iowa's Governor Clyde Herring got involved, making not so subtle threats to the Minnesota players about perceived racist barbarism (https://web.archive.org/web/20121001122126/http://fyi.uiowa.edu/11/15/the-pig-and-the-politician/) toward Iowa running back Ozzie Simmons. [The irony of this allegation in the prism of history is just lucid. Minnesota, of course, would field one of the first black starting quarterbacks in college football 26 years later when the Southern universities were still segregated, with Murray Warmath long holding the reputation for welcoming African-Americans on his team with equality. That QB, Sandy Stephens, led the Gophers to a national championship in 1960 and was a unanimous All-American -- the first Black QB to earn such a distinction. Leave it to Hawkeye hooligans to resort to vigilantism when they not only get their asses kicked on the field (Minnesota beat Iowa 48-12 in 1934) but their ridiculous charges of racism are thwarted.] To combat the silliness spun from lunatic Hawkeye fans (they haven't changed much in 80 years), Minnesota Governor Floyd Olson used charm, wit and a friendly wager via telegram to quell the brewing bloodlust:
Dear Clyde, Minnesota folks excited over your statement about the Iowa crowd lynching the Minnesota football team. I have assured them that you are a law-abiding gentleman and are only trying to get our goat. The Minnesota team will tackle clean, but, oh! how hard, Clyde. If you seriously think Iowa has any chance to win, I will bet you a Minnesota prize hog against an Iowa prize hog that Minnesota wins today. The loser must deliver the hog in person to the winner. Accept my bet thru a reporter. You are getting odds because Minnesota raises better hogs than Iowa. My best personal regards and condolences.
Floyd B. Olson Governor of Minnesota
If that's not an iron fist in a velvet glove, I don't know what is. The Gophers did indeed tackle Iowa clean and hard, as the Hawkeyes lost 13-6, just as they would lose each of the next four years at the hands of Bierman's Minnesota championship dynasty, just as Iowa would go on to lose 14 out of the next 20 years.
As it turns out, the racist allegations against Minnesota by the Hawkeyes were better directed at their own players and coaches, given the rumors of non-inclusion and lack of proper blocking (intentionally) by Simmons' white teammates.
We've certainly come along way as a rivalry between Minnesota and Iowa where we no longer have an undertone of racism and buffoonish politicians threatening mob violence against college students. While the games have moved towards more civility, the ever burning thread of gridiron hatred interwoven throughout this series remains. Rather than take to lynch mobs at Kinnick, fans on both sides will trade barbs over Twitter and the blogosphere. A lot has changed since 1934, though some things still spin as true as they did back in the FDR era. Generations of Minnesotans and Iowans will care deeply about the result of this game, with one side earning bragging rights for a full year, the other a cycle of misery and both factions talking about the events of the contest years afterward. Someone on either squad will step up to make himself go down in the lore of the series etched on the side of a bronzed pig, both revered and cursed upon one's perspective.
And that's what happens when you spin importance of an outcome and time needed to thread again into the living fabric of an old rivalry.
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I was in East Lansing when Bert lost that game all by himself. That pissed me off.
2004... Badgers were 9-0 and supposed to roll - and they got slaughtered.
I've always liked MSU though. Fun place to go.
Yeah, it was a solid decade from like 2002-12 where the games were good and/or the teams were good, and it was a nice basketball carryover. But I think they've played like twice in the past decade. MSU won a horrible game in Madison in a year where both teams weren't good, and Wisconsin blasted MSU in EL one year
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Kettle Moraine HS and West Allis Hale HS. Wrong sport? Those were my personal rivals in football.
I think Fearless is right. Nebraska finds themselves in a very ambiguous time in the rivalry continuum. Signs point to it needing to be Iowa, especially around I-29 but Nebraska has to compete.
Nebraska OU was diminished and then cashed out. As a non Nebraska native I can say this, most Nebraskans simply ignored KU, Mizzou and CU, though a decent window of years CU filled the void of OU. Miami and FSU got their attention more than anybody else once OU faded.
Honestly, Nebraska's best rivalry is with Penn St especially in volleyball and I think they have a lot in common in football, though it may not be very evident.
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for something close in wins and losses to each side, Northwestern and Michigan State are probably close
Maybe Minnesoota, but not recently
Wisconsin and Iowa should be rivals, but haven't beat either of them in 6 seasons - that's not a rivalry
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3 different ones in 3 different ways:
1 - FSU - hate them, want them to lose every game. I want their girlfriends to cheat on them, their houses to burn, and their plane to crash.
No, that's not okay. No, I'm not kidding.
2 - Tennessee - I just love clowning on these guys. It used to be because they were elite and we'd beat them every year, but now it's the fact we physically don't know how to lose to them. It's hilarious. Our QB gets hurt on the 2nd play of the game? The backup wins. 4th and 14? Long TD pass. Tied in the last 10 seconds? Hail Mary answered. It's a joke.
3 - Georgia - well they've finally won another NC, lol.....they were our bitch in the 90s, but things have evened out since then. The novelty of the game in Jax is a cool dynamic. They are the older fans' most hated rival.
I hate them, but at least they matter and can put up a fight. Kind of replaced FSU in that respect.
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I used to love watching the Florida-FSU game back in the 90s. I recall more than one game, where the teams got into fight on the field BEFORE the game even began. Now that's some hate I can respect.
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One reason why there is so much heat towards Wisconsin is reciprocity. Some years ago, the Legislatures of Minnesota and Wisconsin came to an agreement to allow students to attend college in the other state and only pay the in-state rate while doing so. As such, the outstate UW schools (most notably Stout, Eau Claire, and LaCrosse) are very popular destinations for Twin Cities-area students. Likewise, a large fraction of UMN undergrads come from southeast Wisconsin (the Milwaukee burbs, Madison, Green Bay, etc.). They tend to bring their childhood Badger gear with them to college, and then wear it to the Axe game, and elsewhere around campus. Between this and some awful losses to the red weasels during undergrad, this used to make my blood boil. Add in the stupidity from the Brewster-Fat Bret era that has thankfully been dialed down, and I was getting REALLY pissed off losing to Wisconsin.
That was done at the time Wisconsin didn't have a vet school and Minnie didn't have something UW did.
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I used to love watching the Florida-FSU game back in the 90s. I recall more than one game, where the teams got into fight on the field BEFORE the game even began. Now that's some hate I can respect.
Hellz ya home spun Bobby Bowden vs prickly Steve Superior,they didn't like each other and the teams reflected that. Must see TV
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But, for me, VT is a bigger rivalry from a personal standpoint. I live in the southern part of the state.
I can relate. If you ask most Iowa fans who it's main rivals are, they will tell you Minn, Wisc, Neb and Iowa State.
BUT I grew up in southeast Iowa. I grew up hating Illinois. Before the internet and cable tv, the only way to get the scores from that day's games was watching the local news at 10pm. And we got our local news from Quincy Illinois. So they always gave the Illinois score first, then eventually the Iowa scores. I hated Illinois, but ironically, now live in the Chicago suburbs.
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Which suburb?
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3 different ones in 3 different ways:
1 - FSU - hate them, want them to lose every game. I want their girlfriends to cheat on them, their houses to burn, and their plane to crash.
No, that's not okay. No, I'm not kidding.
Get that dosage adjusted and put away the Ouija Board
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I can relate. If you ask most Iowa fans who it's main rivals are, they will tell you Minn, Wisc, Neb and Iowa State.
BUT I grew up in southeast Iowa. I grew up hating Illinois. Before the internet and cable tv, the only way to get the scores from that day's games was watching the local news at 10pm. And we got our local news from Quincy Illinois. So they always gave the Illinois score first, then eventually the Iowa scores. I hated Illinois, but ironically, now live in the Chicago suburbs.
older Iowans hate Mizzou, but the hate was strong enough they quick playing them and caused it to cool
wouldn't take only a home & home for it to fire up again
Iowa fans don't like anybody
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Hellz ya home spun Bobby Bowden vs prickly Steve Superior,they didn't like each other and the teams reflected that. Must see TV
nobody likes Shiny Pants Steve - the arrogant bastage
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nobody likes Shiny Pants Steve - the arrogant bastage
Sansabelt?
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That was done at the time Wisconsin didn't have a vet school and Minnie didn't have something UW did.
Today I Learned: The U of Wisconsin didn't have a vet school until 1983. For the state's land grant university, that's a huge surprise.
Also, the reciprocity agreements date to at least the 1973-74 school year, much earlier than I thought. Likely a result of Wendy Anderson's Minnesota Miracle.
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Sansabelt?
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dec-2001-rex-grossman-of-florida-talks-with-head-coach-steve-spurrier-picture-id626468?s=612x612)
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I think where you live/work and who you live/work among is probably a big factor.
For any Ohio State fan, Michigan is the obvious #1 but those things still impact #2. I think if I lived and worked in Pittsburgh amongst a bunch of PSU fans I'd probably see PSU as really above #2, more like 1b.
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I think where you live/work and who you live/work among is probably a big factor.
For any Ohio State fan, Michigan is the obvious #1 but those things still impact #2. I think if I lived and worked in Pittsburgh amongst a bunch of PSU fans I'd probably see PSU as really above #2, more like 1b.
I HATE Florida Gulf Coast with a passion.
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I HATE Florida Gulf Coast with a passion.
LoL
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I HATE Florida Gulf Coast with a passion.
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Florida Gulf Coast University | Home (fgcu.edu) (https://www.fgcu.edu/)
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Dunk City
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older Iowans hate Mizzou, but the hate was strong enough they quick playing them and caused it to cool
wouldn't take only a home & home for it to fire up again
Iowa fans don't like anybody
Interestingly Iowa and Missouri actually had a little war once in the 1830's fighting over where was the actual border between the 2 states.
Tax agents from Missouri tried to collect taxes in southern Iowa counties along the border. The Iowa residents, allegedly carrying pitchforks (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork), chased away the tax collectors who, legend has it, chopped down three honey bee (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee) trees to collect the honey for partial payment. The little skirmish became known as the Honey War. Eventually the border dispute between Iowa and Missouri had to be settled by the U.S. Supreme court.
Today the border between Iowa and Missouri is probably the least populated part of each state, because its populated now with small Amish communities. This is probably another reason why there is no big rivalry today between Iowa and Missouri.
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could fit in well in the "Weird history" thread
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TSUN (That school up North)
Penn State - A very distant 2nd
A key component of the PSU rivalry though is that we have to outwardly state that we don't consider it to be a rivalry at all.
It really gets them worked up into a tizzy.
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nobody likes Shiny Pants Steve - the arrogant bastage
Looks like he's wearing khaki's,hmm what other arrogant bastage wears those? ;D
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Today the border between Iowa and Missouri is probably the least populated part of each state, because its populated now with small Amish communities. This is probably another reason why there is no big rivalry today between Iowa and Missouri.
Proll between Amish - Mennonites
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Proll between Amish - Mennonites
If there's a bonnet, I'm on it. O0
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i'll disagree with this some. i'm a bama fan first, and a cfb fan second. my interest would definitely fade some if bama were dissolved. i'd still watch games, sure, no doubt. but on weekends bama is on bye or not playing, it's rare that i plan my weekend around a game. i just catch them when i can. i figure i'd probably become a fan in that sense.
either that, or i'd pick up one of the teams i have a soft spot for (psu, uab, troy, marshall) and start following them heavily.
everything else you spoke to is a great explanation why i think cfb is much better than the nfl. sure, the best cfb talent goes to nfl and its fun to watch the best of the best. but the nfl game is so... vanilla or something. all seem the same, just who's slightly better at the moment. which is fun for a tournament (why nfl playoff is so much fun), but kinda sucks not having the differentiation for the season. jmo
This, by my reckoning, is the result of being as good as yall have been for damn near a generation now. Once Saban leaves and/or the NIL portal combo takes a toll and bama becomes mere mortals again you'll realize your team winning is not as important as the game itself. At least, this has been my experience.
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Okay, here's how crazy I am with this:
I had a repeated dream last night. It's the end of the day in my classroom, the students are cleaning up and getting ready to go home, and an office staff person enters my room with a note. This happens often, the note being any number of things - not important here.
So I usually play some kind of non-descript music during this time, as the room is abuzz and our academic day is over.
In this dream, this scene plays out 5-6 different times, but it's the same thing over and over.....and the music playing in the background each time?
Rocky Top.
It's Tennessee week.
It's in my subconscious.
If that's not evidence I'm a college football nut, nothing is.
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A key component of the PSU rivalry though is that we have to outwardly state that we don't consider it to be a rivalry at all.
It really gets them worked up into a tizzy.
It is kinda funny because Ohio State and Michigan are both obviously each other's biggest rival but each us also the unreciprocated biggest rival for another school (PSU and MSU respectively).
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Okay, here's how crazy I am with this:
I had a repeated dream last night. It's the end of the day in my classroom, the students are cleaning up and getting ready to go home, and an office staff person enters my room with a note. This happens often, the note being any number of things - not important here.
So I usually play some kind of non-descript music during this time, as the room is abuzz and our academic day is over.
In this dream, this scene plays out 5-6 different times, but it's the same thing over and over.....and the music playing in the background each time?
Rocky Top.
It's Tennessee week.
It's in my subconscious.
If that's not evidence I'm a college football nut, nothing is.
you're a nut ;)
that's for sure
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Aren't buckeyes nuts?
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all of them
certainly
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , you'll enjoy this and it fits in this thread:
https://sports.yahoo.com/you-cant-spell-citrus-without-u-t-steve-spurrier-peyton-manning-and-one-of-historys-great-insults-220257136.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMV-n8YbBg
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Proll between Amish - Mennonites
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/307885209_10228584064894647_7921519500179546323_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=VQDQ88VceyMAX8C6AnG&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-_wUnMFC2L2PvEmKJ9Kd3_w9Uryc6LuyjJSScKL_rM3w&oe=63314312)
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , you'll enjoy this and it fits in this thread:
https://sports.yahoo.com/you-cant-spell-citrus-without-u-t-steve-spurrier-peyton-manning-and-one-of-historys-great-insults-220257136.html
I am so glad the Citrus Bowl is called the Citrus Bowl again. This joke was ruined for years when it changed its named to the Capitol One Bowl.
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what's in your wallet?
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nostalgia -- Ole Miss. Doesn't matter that they've been irrelevant for decades at at time. Screw those guys forever. My feelings about them are non-negotiable. By genetic design, I hate them. It's science.
biggest thorn in the side -- Bama. Still a flavor of the month thing for my age group. Didn't hate them when they sucked, won't hate them when Saban leaves. But for now they're the obstacle that prevented 1 (and likely more) NC's during the best stretch of school history.
contrived guilty pleasure -- Florida. No, LSU/Florida is not historically a thing, and I shouldn't care about them. But they're so fun to hate, and the game has been must-see drama more often that not, even when one or both of them suck.
I can't believe Auburn is not in the top 3. Hate-meter still moves pretty good for them though.
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I thought Clanga might have cracked the top 3.
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That's a game I enjoy with quite a bit of history, but I don't consider them "rivals," and I doubt many tiger fans do.
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There was a string of LSU-Auburn games in the mid-late-90s and maybe even early 2000s, that I really enjoyed watching. Not the same level of hate as Florida-FSU but plenty of intense dislike.
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Tiger on tiger is always good.
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It's interesting to list the rivalries that are not in adjacent states (or the same). ND has some I think. Tenn-UF is a rivalry at times when both are good. What is your most relevant rivalry with a team not from the same/adjacent state?
Boy, that limits the list, maybe Ole Miss for UGA ...
So, is adjacency the most critical single factor?
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I'd have to say Ohio State or Nebraska for UW.
I guess?
Both are one-sided so there's that.
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Yeah, I think of those as "often important games", but not real rivalries, but it's an opinion. UK may have an important game with UF but it's not a rivalry (headed a bit in that direction today).
Texas and Vandy could be one ...
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I'd have to say Ohio State or Nebraska for UW.
I guess?
Both are one-sided so there's that.
I wouldn't call either a rivalry.
That's why I said "no comment" for UNL
Iowa is the only adjacent state team we play and that has been 6 in a row. Now most have been competitive games within a few points, but...
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So, is adjacency the most critical single factor?
I think it is because of who you regularly interact with. After Ohio State plays Wisconsin this weekend I'm not going to see any Wisconsin fans in my neighborhood or at work on Monday. It is different with Michigan because that state is adjacent. There are Michigan fans in my neighborhood and at my work.
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I think it is because of who you regularly interact with. After Ohio State plays Wisconsin this weekend I'm not going to see any Wisconsin fans in my neighborhood or at work on Monday. It is different with Michigan because that state is adjacent. There are Michigan fans in my neighborhood and at my work.
Also why I think the OP felt VT was the bigger rival, because he sees more VT fans/alums than Pitt.
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Yeah, I think of those as "often important games", but not real rivalries, but it's an opinion. UK may have an important game with UF but it's not a rivalry (headed a bit in that direction today).
Texas and Vandy could be one ...
We've owed those bastages since 1928.
Can't think of any "non-adjacent" rivalries or even particularly big games for Texas. When they were in the B12, I suppose Texas-Nebraska was a pretty chippy game many years. For whatever reason, Texas dominated that series although there were plenty of tightly contested games.
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Also why I think the OP felt VT was the bigger rival, because he sees more VT fans/alums than Pitt.
It's certainly a factor, but I interact with far more ag fans than sooner fans on a daily basis, and I still consider OU to be the bigger rival.
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It's certainly a factor, but I interact with far more ag fans than sooner fans on a daily basis, and I still consider OU to be the bigger rival.
Yeah, but A&M fans are noted for being a kind and rational and level headed fan base
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It's certainly a factor, but I interact with far more ag fans than sooner fans on a daily basis, and I still consider OU to be the bigger rival.
I would guess that is mostly due to recent and longterm competitiveness.
From a quick look at Stassen, Texas' most frequent opponents are those two and:
- Texas has a 59-50-5 edge over OU in 114 games
- Texas has a 69-37-5 edge over aTm in 111 games.
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Yeah, but A&M fans are noted for being a kind and rational and level headed fan base
Ha!
(You're doing a bit, right?)
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You're doing a bit, right?
They gave me a sweet NIL deal to say that
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I would guess that is mostly due to recent and longterm competitiveness.
From a quick look at Stassen, Texas' most frequent opponents are those two and:
- Texas has a 59-50-5 edge over OU in 114 games
- Texas has a 69-37-5 edge over aTm in 111 games.
That's true, but I think that's more like an effect, than the cause. The truth is that OU has historically been a much better team than A&M, and that certainly manifests in Texas' record against each, but more importantly, the importance of games against OU has typically been a lot higher, than games against A&M. There are quite a few games in the history of TX-OU where one or both teams have been highly ranked, and that's not true of the series with Texas A&M.
It's not unlike Michigan's border war/arch-rivalry with Ohio State, compared to their in-state rivalry with the Spartans.
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I agree that OU is a bigger rival to UT but aggie is a strong 2nd
It means something to mention the other school in the fight song
It ruins my whole day when UT loses to either one
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Biggest rivalries between teams not in contiguous (or same) states:
USC-ND
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Biggest rivalries between teams not in contiguous (or same) states:
USC-ND
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ND-Stanford
ND-Miami
ND-Navy
Texas-Wofford
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I liked it back in the 80s and 90s when UNL's rivals were any team from the state of Florida
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UNL-PSU should be something.
(https://i.imgur.com/0h0BPGS.png)
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I agree that OU is a bigger rival to UT but aggie is a strong 2nd
It means something to mention the other school in the fight song
It ruins my whole day when UT loses to either one
There are certainly some Longhorns that view A&M as the bigger rival. Back before A&M went to the SEC, every Longhorn message board fan poll about who was bigger, turned up about 75% for OU, and 25% for A&M.
Now, not having played in over a decade, I'd assume those numbers would have shifted even more toward OU. But since we aren't currently playing A&M, nobody's bothered to post that poll in many, many years.
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UNL-PSU should be something.
should have been the protected cross over
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should have been the protected cross over
Yep, but the wonks in Chicago thought UNL was gonna be the best in the West, which is why they drew OSU.
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If for no other reason than it's the red team vs the blue team.
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I liked it back in the 80s and 90s when UNL's rivals were any team from the state of Florida
Georgia Southern is close :57:
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if we could only get whipped in bowl games by Georgia South
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In the non-contiguous states the only game that an OSU fan would routinely circle before the season starts would be Wisconsin.
It should be Nebraska, but if they're your fixed crossover for six years and nobody even notices, then there's just nothing there unfortunately.
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Penn State would love to have Nebraska on the annual, because they are completely screwed from a rivalry standpoint. Traditionally it's Pitt, but unless Pitt joins the Big Ten they'd be much more inclinded to rekindle the backyard brawl than PSU imo, because they'd be more likely to win that game at least 50% of the time.
Obviously the Big Ten tried to throw PSU a bone by bringing in two of their traditional annual opponents in Rutgers and Maryland, but Penn State doesn't want to get blamed for them being in the Big Ten, so they overcompensate by adamantly insisting that neither is a rival of any sort.
They want the OSU rivalry real bad because it's all they have, but OSU likes to troll them by saying it's not a rivalry. PSU fans are like "we're in neighboring states, we're both good, we're in the same division, we've played every year since the 90s, our game often decides the conference title, what more do you want?" and OSU fans are just like "yeah that might work for you, but we like to have a little tradition in addition to all of those other things."
They don't even try with Michigan. They sized them up on day one, and said "yeah, they already have three rivals. We're not getting in on any of that."
Then there's the Michigan State thing, but that's just ridiculous.
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I see a difference between an important game and a rivalry game.
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In the non-contiguous states the only game that an OSU fan would routinely circle before the season starts would be Wisconsin.
It should be Nebraska, but if they're your fixed crossover for six years and nobody even notices, then there's just nothing there unfortunately.
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Penn State would love to have Nebraska on the annual, because they are completely screwed from a rivalry standpoint. Traditionally it's Pitt, but unless Pitt joins the Big Ten they'd be much more inclinded to rekindle the backyard brawl than PSU imo, because they'd be more likely to win that game at least 50% of the time.
Obviously the Big Ten tried to throw PSU a bone by bringing in two of their traditional annual opponents in Rutgers and Maryland, but Penn State doesn't want to get blamed for them being in the Big Ten, so they overcompensate by adamantly insisting that neither is a rival of any sort.
They want the OSU rivalry real bad because it's all they have, but OSU likes to troll them by saying it's not a rivalry. PSU fans are like "we're in neighboring states, we're both good, we're in the same division, we've played every year since the 90s, our game often decides the conference title, what more do you want?" and OSU fans are just like "yeah that might work for you, but we like to have a little tradition in addition to all of those other things."
They don't even try with Michigan. They sized them up on day one, and said "yeah, they already have three rivals. We're not getting in on any of that."
Then there's the Michigan State thing, but that's just ridiculous.
hey dont forget the PSU first BigTen game was against the Gophers and they tried to force feed a rivalry with the Governors bell trophy game ...I doubt either side really cares about that trophy ....
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Wisconsin fans care about one trophy much more than any of the others, and it's missing right now.
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I see a difference between an important game and a rivalry game.
I always thought that they should do something more with the whole Buckeyes/Hawkeyes thing.
They should play for an eyeball, or some such.
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There's not enough lookers in the midwest...
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For Iowa:
1. Iowa-Wisconsin
2. Iowa-Michigan
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3. Iowa-Minnesota / Iowa-Nebraska
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For FSU:
1. FSU-Notre Dame (Because I can drive to the away games)
2. FSU-Florida