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Title: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: GopherRock on September 19, 2022, 03:51:50 PM
We'll find out a lot more about where the Gophers stand on Saturday afternoon in East Lansing. MSU probably didn't like what they found out on Saturday night in Seattle.

Unfortunately, the Gophers will be without WR1 Chris Autman-Bell. He is out for the season with a non-contact injury suffered while running a route in the 2nd quarter against Colorado.
Title: Re: Minnesota (0-0, 3-0) at Michigan State (0-0, 2-1) Game Week
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 19, 2022, 04:29:17 PM
We'll find out a lot more about where the Gophers stand on Saturday afternoon in East Lansing. MSU probably didn't like what they found out on Saturday night in Seattle.

Unfortunately, the Gophers will be without WR1 Chris Autman-Bell. He is out for the season with a non-contact injury suffered while running a route in the 2nd quarter against Colorado.
That sucks about Autman-Bell.   One of the WRs in the league.   
Title: Re: Minnesota (0-0, 3-0) at Michigan State (0-0, 2-1) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 19, 2022, 04:48:49 PM
That sucks about Autman-Bell.  One of the WRs in the league. 
Agreed. Huge loss.
Title: Re: Minnesota (0-0, 3-0) at Michigan State (0-0, 2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2022, 09:27:03 AM
Unclear what Jayden Reed's nagging injury is, but it seems like he's dealing with a couple.  Granted offense wasn't the biggest issue on Saturday, so can't blame it on him missing the game
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on September 20, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
Why couldn't/didn't Michigan State run the ball on Washington?  I watched the first half and didn't notice a problem with Sparty's running game.  But they only got 42 yards rushing so there was one.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Why couldn't/didn't Michigan State run the ball on Washington?  I watched the first half and didn't notice a problem with Sparty's running game.  But they only got 42 yards rushing so there was one.
They couldn't block anyone.  The center of their line was getting pushed into the backfield consistently.  Then they were behind 3 scores, so they sort of stopped trying.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 20, 2022, 03:28:19 PM
is this a must win game for the Spartans? their next 3 are @Maryland, Ohio State, and Wisconsin before going @Michigan. 

Maryland will be able to move the ball on that defense and score points, unclear as to if Maryland will be able to stop Michigan State at all however. Probably not. Ohio State will probably run that pass D off the field like they did last year- then Wisconsin is an enigma to me- maybe they'll have stuff figured out by then- but then again maybe not. Then they have their rivalry game vs Michigan- which throw out the pass D stats and records- that one will be a dogfight bc for whatever reason they always get up for that one like it's their super bowl and personally I fkn hate it lol. 
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 20, 2022, 03:35:43 PM
is this a must win game for the Spartans? their next 3 are @Maryland, Ohio State, and Wisconsin before going @Michigan.

Then they have their rivalry game vs Michigan- which throw out the pass D stats and records- that one will be a dogfight bc for whatever reason they always get up for that one like it's their super bowl and personally I fkn hate it lol.
#1 - Yes.  Both teams are missing their WR1, but MSU is particularly vulnerable against the pass, and it's Tanner Morgan without his WR1, at home.  You have to win that game.

#2 - How has Michigan's Super Bowl gone for them?  It takes more than just "getting up" for a game
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 21, 2022, 08:24:57 AM

Minnesota Golden Gophers (3-0) at Michigan State Spartans (2-1)
3:30 - East Lansing, MI - BTN
Both programs faced their first Power 5 opponent last week, both playing Pac 12 opponents, but with vastly different results.  Michigan State continued their west coast struggles that are at 70+ years and counting, while Minnesota continued Colorado's fall the the pits of the FBS, let alone the Power 5.  What Michigan State fans were most disappointed in was that in Year 3, Scottie Hazelton was still running his umbrella defense, keeping everything in front of them, but bringing very little pressure.  Perhaps having it work last year, because eventually, if you forced D'Eriq King to have to complete enough passes, eventually he'd make a mistake; and Michigan couldn't finish drives in the end zone, tricked him into thinking this works.  Against the better quarterbacks, it doesn't.  C.J. Stroud and Aidan O'Connell particularly diced the Spartans up, and Michael Penix did the same.  Michigan State playing without 3 defensive starters, being the leader at each level (DT Jacob Slade, LB Darius Snow, and S Xavier Henderson) certainly led to all kinds of communication issues.  Snow is done for the year, but it's unclear whether Slade and/or Henderson will return.  Safe to say those injuries played a bigger factor than Jayden Reed, the bigger name, who also didn't play.  Keon Coleman and Tre Mosley more than picked up the slack there.  Now Minnesota has to deal with an injury to their WR1 as well, with Chris Autman-Bell done for the year.  It remains to be seen whether they have the pieces behind him that Michigan State has behind Reed.  Autman-Bell went down in the 2nd quarter against Colorado, and still led the Gophers in receptions and receiving yards for the game.  Next up at receiver is Michael Brown-Stephens, with 6 receptions on the year.  They just gave Mo Ibrahim and Trey Potts 36 carries, and would certainly like to do that again.  Over the past two seasons, the way to beat the Spartans has been to spread them out, and fire the ball all over the place.  Not sure that's Minnesota at full health, and I feel less confident in it without Autman-Bell.  I'll go with the home team.
MICHIGAN STATE 34, MINNESOTA 30

Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on September 21, 2022, 08:34:32 AM
Minnesota is improved this year but comparing the two team's Saturday PAC12 results is comparing apples with rotten bananas.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 21, 2022, 08:45:32 AM
Unfortunately, the Gophers will be without WR1 Chris Autman-Bell. He is out for the season with a non-contact injury suffered while running a route in the 2nd quarter against Colorado.
Hate that he had a decent season in'21 and stretched the field for the Gophs
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 21, 2022, 08:49:17 AM
Minnesota is improved this year but comparing the two team's Saturday PAC12 results is comparing apples with rotten bananas.
Ya but they've been destroying the Bums,losing Bell obviously hurts.This could be an entertaing contast,don't get BTN anymore so maybe a trip to the corner
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Abba on September 21, 2022, 09:16:38 AM
I saw something yesterday that the Minnesota strength of schedule is the worst in the Big Ten so far.  Don't be fooled by the game against Colorado.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: GopherRock on September 21, 2022, 09:19:35 AM
Ya but they've been destroying the Bums,losing Bell obviously hurts.This could be an entertaing contast,don't get BTN anymore so maybe a trip to the corner
That's the difference between this Gopher club and previous ones. While there are still a lot of questions about how good they are, they are taking bad teams to the woodshed, instead of spitting up terrible losses or letting them hang around way too long.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2022, 09:22:28 AM
Hate that he had a decent season in'21 and stretched the field for the Gophs
did you mean to put a period behind "that" and capitalize "he"?
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Abba on September 21, 2022, 09:23:10 AM
That's how I eventually read it.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on September 21, 2022, 06:55:45 PM
I saw something yesterday that the Minnesota strength of schedule is the worst in the Big Ten so far.  Don't be fooled by the game against Colorado.
I would not be fooled by any non conference games.  but I would rather win these games and get into our 2nd and 3rd teams than a close win or even a lost (ask Iowa fans)

but knowing that schedules are set up years in advance (New Mexico state has been scheduled almost 15 years ago) its hard to predict.

the gophers have a game scheduled in 2030 already.  

anyone want to tell me how California will be in 2028?

they did what good teams are supposed to do in the non conference.  I hope that they are ready for the increase in level of play!

Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 21, 2022, 08:52:30 PM
I'm not sure New Mexico state has ever been good, so not real tough to predict
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 21, 2022, 09:01:26 PM
#2 - How has Michigan's Super Bowl gone for them?  It takes more than just "getting up" for a game
fair enough. I think Michigan had played Ohio State scared for awhile though. Look at how Michigan played Ohio St vs some of the other teams in this league have played Ohio St. Other league teams with less talent than Michigan were often far more competitive vs Ohio St. No doubt in my mind that Ohio State was in Michigan's heads....a lot. Maybe it was the weight of having that monkey on their back so long- not being able to get over the hump. And yes, Ohio State had more talent and better teams basically every single time- but for the most part- to me Michigan just rolled over and played dead for a lot of those games. Like they expected to get their asses beat in. Last year was the first time in a long time I saw Michigan physically bring it to Ohio St for 4 QTRs and punch them in the face for 60 minutes.

Not quite so with Sparty when it comes to Michigan. They always just tend to play Michigan like it's personal- all mean and angry and basically don't ever quit or roll over. That's just my two cents anyways. Could be way off.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 21, 2022, 11:10:39 PM
Well, this sure doesn't help solve anything

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34631225/college-football-bottom-10-gets-royal-treatment-new-no-1
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 23, 2022, 03:24:35 PM
A couple of film breakdown Twitter account actually make me feel worst about our back 7.  Pointing out how many time front 4 made great plays, where there was no help in the back seven
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on September 23, 2022, 03:29:35 PM
this is a pivotal game for both squads

wish it was in Minneapolis
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on September 25, 2022, 09:30:04 AM
did not see that type of performance

if the gophers stay healthy and focused, this might be a very good year for them
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-0, 1-0) at Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) Postgame
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 25, 2022, 11:16:19 AM
did not see that type of performance

if the gophers stay healthy and focused, this might be a very good year for them

Class of the West as it stands now. I have to give PJ Barnum credit, because it's most certainly due.
Title: Re: Minnesota (3-0) at Michigan State (2-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 25, 2022, 11:22:46 AM
did not see that type of performance

if the gophers stay healthy and focused, this might be a very good year for them
Maybe we should have. Walker to the NFL and Reed has been hurt all year- don’t have those two elite studs to bail out the team by making huge plays and scoring points- which puts immense pressure on QB Thorne to make plays- who quite honestly is just another guy- and their OL and pass defense had serious issues last year- and not sure how it’s possible- but both have been worse this year. 

In conclusion: Michigan State might just suck this year.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-0, 1-0) at Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) Postgame
Post by: MrNubbz on September 25, 2022, 12:35:24 PM
did you mean to put a period behind "that" and capitalize "he"?
Thank You FF - you get a Yuengling,actually had no beer last nite so prolly could have used those goggles :-[
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-0, 1-0) at Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) Postgame
Post by: MrNubbz on September 25, 2022, 12:38:51 PM
In conclusion: Michigan State might just suck this year.
They have had a few sparse seasons here/there, but there is one game they circle. I did question their AD backing up the Brink's truck for Mel or anyone else unproven at that point. Should have given someone  a transitional role
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-0, 1-0) at Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) Postgame
Post by: MrNubbz on September 25, 2022, 12:40:15 PM
A couple of film breakdown Twitter account actually make me feel worst about our back 7.  Pointing out how many time front 4 made great plays, where there was no help in the back seven
Injuries sure haven't helped hopefully none are season ending
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-0, 1-0) at Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) Postgame
Post by: ELA on September 25, 2022, 09:45:19 PM
Injuries sure haven't helped hopefully none are season ending
By the second quarter, we were down seven defensive starters, but only one was a DB, and while he is the defensive captain, he's a safety, those were our top 3 CBs/NB.  MSU is still glaringly thin, and I think our good injury luck last year masked a lot of that.

I saw, unverified, on Twitter that MSU had only one top 500 recruit play a meaningful snap yesterday.  Since 2018 OSU has only had 14 non top 500 players take a meaningful snap
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-0, 1-0) at Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) Postgame
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 27, 2022, 07:52:04 AM
Michigan State’s problems aside, Minnesota’s total beat down of the Spartans is the type of dominant win that deserves a reassessment of Minnesota’s pecking order in the West division.

Going on the road and thrashing a preseason ranked, dependably strong conference opponent the way Minnesota did seems to be getting overlooked:

1st Downs: Minn 32 – MSU 14
Total yards: 508 – 240
ToP: 42:30 – 17:30

Additionally, Minnesota is currently ranked 1st nationally in Total Defense with 187.8 yds allowed per game, 14 yds fewer than the 2nd ranked team

The OL looks as big as anybody else. The QB/RB combination is as stable (though not as explosive) as anyone else’s.

I’m picking the Gophers to win the West and roll to a 10-2, 11-1 type of season. Expecting a 6-0 Minnesota when on Oct 22 they visit Penn State, the highest and only ranked opponent left on their schedule. Of course November games Vs rivals Iowa and Wisconsin will decide the West at season’s end.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-0, 1-0) at Michigan State (2-2, 0-1) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 27, 2022, 09:25:04 AM
yes, the Gophers look good, so far

we will know more in a couple weeks

perhaps much more after the Penn St game
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: ELA on September 27, 2022, 03:15:38 PM
Michigan State’s problems aside, Minnesota’s total beat down of the Spartans is the type of dominant win that deserves a reassessment of Minnesota’s pecking order in the West division.
I mean MSU sucks, but within the West?  If anyone has Minnesota behind any West Division team right now they should have their vote revoked
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: GopherRock on September 27, 2022, 03:23:16 PM
I mean MSU sucks, but within the West?  If anyone has Minnesota behind any West Division team right now they should have their vote revoked
Trying not to brag, but the Gophers are the only team in the West that hasn't looked like garbage yet.
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 27, 2022, 03:30:44 PM
that doesn't sound like bragging

just calling garbage, garbage
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: ELA on September 27, 2022, 04:12:32 PM
Trying not to brag, but the Gophers are the only team in the West that hasn't looked like garbage yet.

Yeah, I was just responding to whether there is a question to whether Minnesota is the best team in the West
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: Mdot21 on September 27, 2022, 04:16:09 PM
that doesn't sound like bragging

just calling garbage, garbage
yep. the west is atrocious. It has to be Minnesota. Only other team that could possibly even be in the conversation is maybe Iowa- as they have a terrific defense- but they also happen to have maybe the worst offense in America. Minnesota is by far the best in the West.
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: GopherRock on September 27, 2022, 04:28:11 PM
yep. the west is atrocious. It has to be Minnesota. Only other team that could possibly even be in the conversation is maybe Iowa- as they have a terrific defense- but they also happen to have maybe the worst offense in America. Minnesota is by far the best in the West.
That is why I am very glad the Floyd game is in Minneapolis this year. 
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: FearlessF on September 27, 2022, 04:40:01 PM
Wisconsin isn't as bad as they showed the past few weeks

well, maybe they are, but they will get better as the season goes on

I don't see Iowa's offense getting better
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: Mdot21 on September 27, 2022, 04:45:14 PM
Wisconsin isn't as bad as they showed the past few weeks

well, maybe they are, but they will get better as the season goes on

I don't see Iowa's offense getting better
Yeah, I just don't know about Wisconsin. They seem to be having OL issues and aren't the factory they once were there. I'm not as high on or as sold on RB Braelon Allen as everyone else. Like I think he's a really good college RB, but he's not special imo. He's a good notch below Corum, Singleton at PSU- who btw is an emerging STUD, Ibrahim at Minny, or the OSU RB duo imo. And I still think the QB Mertz sucks and will pretty much always suck. And their defense is not what it once was. Add it all up and maybe they just aren't that good? 
Title: Re: Minnesota (1-0, 4-0) at Michigan State (0-1, 2-2) Postgame
Post by: Abba on September 27, 2022, 04:49:19 PM
Illinois is an interesting team that could threaten in the West.  They have a defense that isn't quite as good as Iowa's, but still quite good.  The offense isn't amazing, but they have a game-breaking RB in Chase Brown.  They have only lost one game, and didn't look like garbage in the process.  They outplayed Indiana, but lost on some bad breaks.  I'd consider the win over Virginia to be a decent win, especially considering they dominated and won 24-3.  We will learn A LOT more about them vs. Wisconsin this week.