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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: MikeDeTiger on September 19, 2022, 10:43:55 AM
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1) Close call for Florida. I've liked Napier since I've been aware of him, and I wanted LSU to give him a shot, so I find myself hoping he does well. I'm not used to rooting for Florida. I don't like it.
2) I gave all Aggies irl and any on this board a week's grace period, but now I'm gonna need a plate of your finest brisket in order to never speak of App. St. again. The brisket must be much better than the Aggy football team. Also, it should be so good that it doesn't need BBQ sauce, but it should have it anyway.
3) I thought SCar might give UGA a game for a quarter, maybe two, but the mentality of UGA has changed. The Dogs have quit playing with their bones and gone straight to burying them. Not good news for the rest of us already trying to play catch-up with Alabama.
4) LSU is going to lose a lot of games, and I guess that's okay since O left a real mess. I'm trying to watch the games this year with an eye toward positive trends. They've got such a long way to go before they really challenge for anything, but there have been little improvements from week 1 to week 3. Last weekend was the first time in school history that LSU started two true freshman at OT. The plus side is they held up very well against a veteran MSU front, allowing zero pressures and actually grading out #1 and #4 for all SEC OT's for the weekend. The middle of the line though.......yeesh. Other than center, the unit should be good, hopefully as early as next year. 4/5 of this lineup will be at LSU for another few years, so hopefully the OTs continue and the guards and center get better.
Defense has improved a little each week. Holding State to 289 yards seems pretty good. The corners simply aren't talented enough to get LSU where the fans are used to, but at least they've made strides within their capabilities so far. Special teams are a disaster. Polian needs to find his calling in life, because coaching special teams doesn't seem to be it.
Another tune-up game, and then comes what I call the Dawg-hater portion of our schedule. @AU, Tenn, @UF all in a row. I think we'll be fortunate to pick up a win in that stretch.
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Howdy, my friend.
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We’ll see your App State and raise you a L to Troy.
I was surprised the swamp kitties handled MSU and Leach so well. Msu fell apart in the 2nd half.
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We’ll see your App State and raise you a L to Troy.
I was surprised the swamp kitties handled MSU and Leach so well. Msu fell apart in the 2nd half.
We won a NC and had the greatest season and QB the game has ever seen since then, doesn't count. I vote I can rag Aggie-land about this until they do the same.
Yeah, MSU shot themselves in the foot a few times down the stretch with about 3 drops that could've changed things. I suspect the throws weren't as accurate anymore with so much pressure in the QBs face, but from the camera angles on tv they still looked like catchable (enough) balls. A lot has been made about our new conditioning program. We've certainly outperformed FSU and MSU in the 4th quarters....maybe it's something, maybe not.
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Another tune-up game, and then comes what I call the Dawg-hater portion of our schedule. @AU, Tenn, @UF all in a row. I think we'll be fortunate to pick up a win in that stretch.
That's a notable sequence. Auburn to me looks worse than LSU. The other two are an enigma.
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3) I thought SCar might give UGA a game for a quarter, maybe two, but the mentality of UGA has changed. The Dogs have quit playing with their bones and gone straight to burying them. Not good news for the rest of us already trying to play catch-up with Alabama.
Also, half of USCe's defense was out.
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The Vols are a 10+ point favorite, I think that one bears watching. They've been a trendy "pick" from Spring. UGA gets them in Athens which I suppose helps some.
I picked the Vols something like 34-24. I like Arky over A&M 31-27.
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A&M is still very much a work in progress. Weirdly, Arkansas is dead last vs passing defense. For all of D1, not just SEC play. At least that’s what I heard the talking heads say.
I think our offensive stats may be misleading because we’ve not settled in yet at QB and we’ve been missing some important pieces in the OL. They’re back now. So I think there is a chance.
I think it will come down to our rushing defense and our red zone defense. We may give up a lot of yards, but if we can force fg vs td it will be key.
I’m thinking we will score between 24-27.
Hopefully one more point than Ark.
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Yup, you got it, 23-21.
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Wild. Ark ran all over us in the first quarter. We were almost down 21-0, but KJ Jefferson fumbled reaching out, nowhere near the goal line. We picked it up, ran back to about midfield, and as he’s being tackled he gives the ball to another player, who runs it in.
Wild !
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That was a crazy play. I've seen a few similar to that where someone stretched the ball out to score and it gets dislodged.
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He would have been short of the goal line even if he was an orangutan.....
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The missed field goal at the end was something else. It hit the top of the upright, the literal top, and bounced back. It’s being called the “oink doink “.
I really don’t know how we won the game.
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So, this weekend should be pretty good as well:
UK at Ole Miss - to ranked teams going at it ...
Bama at Arky - Could be an upset?
A&M at MSU - ... cowbell
LSU at Auburn ... a traditional rivalry
UGA at Mizzou
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Ole Miss 34 UK 27
Bama 37 Arky 20
MSU 27 A&M 16
LSU 26 Auburn 13
UGA 38 Mizzou 10
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Hopefully AU used up all their luck for the foreseeable future. Don't know how many people watched that game with Mizzou, but man.....you can't derp any harder at the end of a game than Mizzou did, TWICE.
That said, I told my wife as soon as Mizzou started centering and kneeling the ball it was a mistake to play only for a FG. Never, ever, ever rely on a college kicker to hit a must-have, even from that range. I wouldn't have thrown the ball, but given the time and TO situation, I would've run the ball with your most secure-handed back and attempted to score a TD. I think there's less chance of a back fumbling than something on a FG play going wrong. NFL, sure, I'd do exactly what they did. College kids who are erratic on a good day?....I didn't like it, and it bit them in the butt.
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Ole Miss 34 UK 27
Bama 37 Arky 20
MSU 27 A&M 16
LSU 26 Auburn 13
UGA 38 Mizzou 10
I think I'd be delighted if LSU could manage to score that many points against them with this team. But very bad, not-good things happen to LSU on the Plains.
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Auburn is crap salad this year.
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Oh man MSU and the pirate. He always has our number it seems like. We're at .500 vs MSU this century. Well, actually not quite, but I'm not counting that infernal snow bowl.
My honest assessment is that our offense is very streaky. They won't get anything going for at least one quarter, maybe manage a FG, and then we may pop off 10-14 unanswered points. Our opponents may get going early, like the first or second series, and then something clicks in the defense and they usually tighten up and play better until late in the 3rd quarter. It would not surprise me at all for MSU to jump out to a 20-3 type lead, then we close to about 20-17, maybe take a lead early in the 4th like 24-23, and then either lose at the end on a FG or win at the end with a score of our own. I'd say the final will be something like 33-30.
I'll settle for them passing short routes all day if we can keep them out of the endzone. I will say that it seems like our defense at times will come alive and pull something out of their arse, and actually play up to the talent level they were recruited at. We need to be able to get pressure on the QB, force his throws, get his timing off we will win.
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I think the best D against The pirate is to "rush" three, who try and simply block throwing lanes, and cover with 8, pressing on the outside.
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The best defense against Mike Leach teams is to control the ball on offense with a time consuming running attack.
If you only rush three Roger's will cut you to pieces. You have to rush four and sometimes five to keep him off balance.
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The best defense against Mike Leach teams is to control the ball on offense with a time consuming running attack.
If you only rush three Roger's will cut you to pieces. You have to rush four and sometimes five to keep him off balance.
That was how Matt House handled it, which worked well, limiting them to 289 yards and 16 points. That's the max a team like LSU could've possibly achieved. Other than the line, which has some players, this isn't a very talented D by LSU standards.
I'd assume if A&M brings the right plan they can do similar or better. They look more talented on defense than their Louisiana neighbors to me. But you know what they say about assume.
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Auburn is crap salad this year.
Fortunately for them, so is our offense. Mainly the line, but the QB is average on a good play, and our only productive back so far is hurt. Oh, and special teams have been apocalypse-level bad.
Tiger Bowl Crap salad bowl
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Finally got to watch the UT/UF game in its entirety. Florida's OL looks rather good. Both of those QBs are a pain with their legs.
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Never thought I'd be looking forward to a Kentucky/Ole Miss game, but these are the strange times we live in.
Pigs/Gumps could be something, but every time I think Ark can give Bama a decent game, they don't.
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Bama has depth that few teams do, it shows up over the season. Arky is well coached, I think, and dangerous, but not yet having depth.
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I was very worried about this game preseason but not anymore. Arkansas has one of the worst pass defenses giving up 300 yards plus on average through four games. I don't think you want to play Bryce Young under these circumstances.
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UK at Ole Miss - to ranked teams going at it ...
Bama at Arky - Could be an upset? Nope
A&M at MSU - ... cowbell
LSU at Auburn ... a traditional rivalry
UGA at Mizzou
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Georgia should turn in their man card. It is unfair to play South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Missouri, and Georgia Tech while Bama gets only one of them. The only games they could possibly lose are Tennessee and Kentucky and either one of them could collapse.
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I think they could lose at MSU and with Florida, but I agree, they'll be favored in each likely 10+.
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AlaDAMNbama... The hogs ain't giving you no gifts like we did TAMU. Get ready, today is gonna be a reckoning! :sign0151:
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Damn. I simply can’t believe how bad our offense played today. Couple that with the TO’s, and you have a recipe for getting blown out. Hard to believe we were in this game late into the 3rd quarter.
And I’m so effin tired of the low snaps. Literally half the snaps are low.
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AlaDAMNbama... The hogs ain't giving you no gifts like we did TAMU. Get ready, today is gonna be a reckoning! :sign0151:
No gifts...but Bama handed out a butt whupping for sure. Gibbs is a beast!
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No gifts...but Bama handed out a butt whupping for sure. Gibbs is a beast!
Gibbs is a greyhound. Milroe is the beast. Someone on ESPN U said that when Young went out, Bama put Derrick Henry in at QB. Both Gibbs and Milroe have serious wheels.
And speaking of wheels, with your secondary, be glad that WR Tyler Harrell from Miami was unable to play. Has yet to see the field this year because of a foot injury. Was thought he would be ready this week. Transferred to Bama from Louisville, where in 2021 he averaged 29.1 yards per catch but only had 18 receptions. If I am a coach and I have a player with those kind of stats, I am going to find someway somehow to get the ball in his hands more than 18 times. Louisville coach didn't so he hit the portal.
"Rated as a four-star recruit by ESPN.com ... the No. 53 wideout in ESPN's rankings ... a two-sport athlete who also was a standout in track ... helped Christopher Columbus win a pair of FHSAA Class-4A championships in track."
https://rolltide.com/sports/football/roster/tyler-harrell/8358
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So, upcoming games:
Arky @ MSU - MSU is looking pretty decent, Arky had some tough losses. MSU 27 Arky 17
<izzou at Florida - Mizzou is kind of beat down I think now, UF 31 Mizzou 13
Tenn at LSU - Interesting, LSU has a pulse, morning start though in BR, I'm guessing of course LSU 34 Tenn 31
Auburn at UGA - What looked like an easy one for the Dawgs now has some import, but they hang on close, UGA 27 Auburn 24
Ole Miss at Vandy - Slow start I suspect but it's Vandy, OM 41 Vandy 14
USCe at UK - UK gets back on track 38-13
A&M at Bama - Bama 47 A&M 19
The most interesting game to me starts at noon, which is odd.
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Tennessee beats LSU by two touchdowns. LSU simply doesn't have the ability to keep up with the pace that Tennessee runs. 42 - 28.
Georgia beats Auburn in a blowout. Georgia will not sleep walk three weeks in a row. 42 - 14.
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I hope you're right, I'm tired of seeing the Dawgs unable to move the ball in the first half.
I don't know what LSU has, we're about to find out. I suspect you are probably right on that outcome.
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Good point about the early start in BR. LSU's win percentage in day games in BR is .677 and in night games is .750. Their overall win percentage at home is .733 which, believe it or not, is lower than Bama's .769 win percentage there. Bama's record in BR is 29-8-2.
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Good point about the early start in BR. LSU's win percentage in day games in BR is .677 and in night games is .750. Their overall win percentage at home is .733 which, believe it or not, is lower than Bama's .769 win percentage there. Bama's record in BR is 29-8-2.
Good example of the old adage "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics."
Day games in Tiger Stadium generally have featured teams competent enough to beat LSU on their field, while night games include nearly all of the cream puffs that have little to no chance of winning at LSU. This skews the day/night win %, when in reality, when the level of competition is adjusted for, there is not a significant difference in LSU's win% based on time of day. What is significant is if the team is quality enough to beat LSU at LSU.
Unfortunately for us, Tennessee the better team at this point, though I expect LSU to look much better than their showing on the Plains last weekend. I think we'll give them a decent game, but lose.
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Well, I was wrong about losing at AU (happily), but I almost nailed it. I wish everybody--fans, media, unaware and uninterested passersby--would get it in their heads that LSU plays like crap on the Plains, and no matter what kind of crap team Auburn has, they do not let LSU come in Jordan Hare and beat them down. I really don't know what more history people could need to see this is the case. It's risky in the best of times to pick LSU @ AU, and it's sheer hubris to think they'll kick their teeth in, even when Auburn is really bad. This is true even when LSU has a good team, which is not exactly the case this year, even though they're improving in fits and starts.
AU lost, but sort of handed the game away with some really bad calls in a few spots. I'll credit the BR Tigers with not giving up and stiffening up on defense the second half with some nice adjustments, but AU still could've pulled that off with better coaching. How in the world you win an SEC road game with 85 yards passing, 3.8 yards per carry, and getting doubled up on yardage is beyond me, other than I guess losing the turnover battle 4-1 will do that to you. btw, I read that this was the first SEC team in over 5 years to win a conference game while throwing for less than 100 yards.
I'm not down on the program, or even this particular team. It looks to me like things are headed in the right direction. They're going to lose a number of games this year, and looking at the schedule I don't know where the next win will come from other than UAB, though I do think they'll win 1 or 2 more somewhere and make a bowl. The program, believe it or not, is still in really good shape, unlike the 90's when LSU fielded terrible teams and it would take a lot of heavy lifting to make the team good again. This should happen much more quickly. The infrastructure of a good program didn't suffer, even though O left a dumpster fire of a roster. Even now, there are some really outstanding pieces in freshman who are flashing signs of greatness. They showed up on the Plains and fought and made plays....it makes me excited for future teams.
But it won't be this year. This year we'll lose a bunch of games we'll probably be better than people expect next year based on this year's results. They do need to find a SEC-caliber center, and if a quality center is available in the portal this year I expect LSU to go after them hard. QB needs more development as well. If they're able to do those things, I project LSU to be pretty good again in the 2023/2024 range.
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I see the Vols are favored, but only by 4, which surprised me slightly (even though I picked an upset).
I would take Auburn and the points.
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Lot of chatter about our QB holding the ball too long, being indecisive or not reading a defense well, and being scared of throwing INTs (I believe he threw a bunch last year as ASU's qb). I think this is warranted and he does have problems he's having to work on there. I also think his O-line is in his head, even on plays they protect him well. There are many times when the interior of the line is a sieve and he has no chance, and that probably rattles him.
But something else....you can't usually see down the field on TV, but when replay shows it, it looks like our receivers aren't getting any separation. I can't tell if this is the case or not, and if so, how often that's happening. I'm thinking he may not have anything open and that causes him to hang on to the ball.
I'm supposed to be going to the Ole Miss game in a few weeks...if I'm able to make that it'll be interesting to see what's really happening out there.
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So....is UGA sleepwalking or do we have issues here?
Being less than your best vs. Kent State is understandable, particularly after dismantling everything in your path so far. Doing it a second week in a row on the road vs. a division foe....there's only so much I'm willing to put on "looking ahead." No matter how bad Mizzou is, going into their house should have your full attention.
On the other hand....these are 18-22 year olds, and my head was so far up my butt at that age that I could sniff my own lumbar.
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I've thought they had issues earlier than Kent State, mostly with the OL and running the ball. Stetson was making some throws in tights windows under duress that worked, and then it didn't work. They were horrible against Mizzou in the first half, Mizzou did a nice job with pressure. You can beat UGA by stopping the run and getting pressure if they don't run, duh. And it's a doable thing.
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Stetson was making some incredible throws in the Oregon game. He looked legit great. I expected that to continue. Maybe it didn't, I dunno.
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It didn't, they are down two WRs injured, that may be a part of it. He made some clutch throws in the 4th quarter to bring them back from disaster.
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one of the talking heads said something yesterday that made sense to me- enough that i adopted it:
"UGA is the nations premier program now, but the problem is ol' UGA is back"... explained: they play down to their level of competition.
I love seeing UT relevant again.... even in the 'talk' of a Heisman and threatening a competitive game with UGA and Bama... but... NOPE- i ain't swallowing that pill yet.
I don't dare claim a victory in the bayou, but i 'do' know they always play LSU tough at home. IF they come out of that game with a win, they'll face bama at home and both undefeated.... and fellas, that ain't gonna be purty because bama's issues are easily coached out of them, they have QB enough on the bench and RB's enough to make the UT DC never even figure on ~maybe~ young ain't playing. I'm thinking the ranking and the shenanigans are setting up to drive national interest- just like Michigan being in the top four near tOSU- both of who play nobody... unless that nobody is ranked higher than they should be which is the case there.
i'm thinking UT is a top 25 team certainly... a top 20 team maybe... and if they hold it together, they may end up being a top 15 team before the end of the season... but they ain't no top ten team. but... if they win at LSU they'll be ranked likely 6th or so- and will give bama and jojah credible wins.....
politics, may man, politics.
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Good example of the old adage "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics."
Day games in Tiger Stadium generally have featured teams competent enough to beat LSU on their field, while night games include nearly all of the cream puffs that have little to no chance of winning at LSU. This skews the day/night win %, when in reality, when the level of competition is adjusted for, there is not a significant difference in LSU's win% based on time of day. What is significant is if the team is quality enough to beat LSU at LSU.
Unfortunately for us, Tennessee the better team at this point, though I expect LSU to look much better than their showing on the Plains last weekend. I think we'll give them a decent game, but lose.
I'll buy that. It's like saying College Gameday is a jinx if they are at one of your games and you lose. No, it's because College Gameday, for the most part, goes to top quality games in which they think the opponents are somewhat equal. If you lose then you were not equal. Not that day anyway.
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one of the talking heads said something yesterday that made sense to me- enough that i adopted it:
"UGA is the nations premier program now, but the problem is ol' UGA is back"... explained: they play down to their level of competition.
I love seeing UT relevant again.... even in the 'talk' of a Heisman and threatening a competitive game with UGA and Bama... but... NOPE- i ain't swallowing that pill yet.
I don't dare claim a victory in the bayou, but i 'do' know they always play LSU tough at home. IF they come out of that game with a win, they'll face bama at home and both undefeated.... and fellas, that ain't gonna be purty because bama's issues are easily coached out of them, they have QB enough on the bench and RB's enough to make the UT DC never even figure on ~maybe~ young ain't playing. I'm thinking the ranking and the shenanigans are setting up to drive national interest- just like Michigan being in the top four near tOSU- both of who play nobody... unless that nobody is ranked higher than they should be which is the case there.
i'm thinking UT is a top 25 team certainly... a top 20 team maybe... and if they hold it together, they may end up being a top 15 team before the end of the season... but they ain't no top ten team. but... if they win at LSU they'll be ranked likely 6th or so- and will give bama and jojah credible wins.....
politics, may man, politics.
You got it! Saban should not even play Young against A$M because it is as obvious as the nose on your face that they have been preparing for Bama and Young since the summer. EVERY DAY. EVERY WEEK. They could be 5-0 but are 3-2 and should be 2-3. Nothing new. Did it last year also. Instead of going to the Bama game 5-0, they were 3-2 and could have been 2-3. Scored in the last minute to beat Colorado. 4-8 Colorado! And then lost to Arkansas and Mississippi State.
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So, upcoming games:
Arky @ MSU - MSU is looking pretty decent, Arky had some tough losses. MSU 27 Arky 17
<izzou at Florida - Mizzou is kind of beat down I think now, UF 31 Mizzou 13
Tenn at LSU - Interesting, LSU has a pulse, morning start though in BR, I'm guessing of course LSU 34 Tenn 31
Auburn at UGA - What looked like an easy one for the Dawgs now has some import, but they hang on close, UGA 27 Auburn 24
Ole Miss at Vandy - Slow start I suspect but it's Vandy, OM 41 Vandy 14
USCe at UK - UK gets back on track 38-13
A&M at Bama - Bama 47 A&M 19
The most interesting game to me starts at noon, which is odd.
Does this mean that ut is going to have 13 players on the field on what should have been the final play of regulation with LSU at their two yard line? As was the case the last time they played in BR.
So instead of going to OT tied at 31, LSU gets to kick a 19 yard FG to win 34-31?
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one of the talking heads said something yesterday that made sense to me- enough that i adopted it:
"UGA is the nations premier program now, but the problem is ol' UGA is back"... explained: they play down to their level of competition.
I don't buy this at all. Last year they didn't mess around like this. I think this team has some serious issues in the lines that weren't evident against Oregon.
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Ah yes, the vaunted 5-4-5 defense. Admittedly it was really tough to get yards against.
Hard to believe we're in the same conference and that 2010 game was the last time UT came to Tiger Stadium. I could've sworn our return game in 2011 was our last trip to Knoxville, but the interwebz tells me we played there in 2017. I must be getting old, because all games through about 2014 are seared into my memory, never to be forgotten, but I can't remember half the games from last year. I have zero recollection of playing Tennessee in 2017. That would've been when Danny Etling was our QB.....who was theirs? Says we won by 20 and we sucked....how bad was UT in 2017, and why wasn't that game interesting enough to remember?
We haven't played much over the years, but UT is 20-10-3 against us all-time. I doubt that gets any prettier for us this weekend.
Nevertheless, I think a realistic approach to this season is looking for the correct signs of progression, not so much the wins. It can't be overstated how bad of shape O left the roster. Kelly turned over the entire staff--direct and peripheral--and had to get a lot of kids from the portal to fill out the team. New staff, new kids, young kids....I think you just want to see that they're developing at this point. They seem to be. It's not gonna be much comfort when they run the gauntlet, tho.
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I don't buy this at all. Last year they didn't mess around like this. I think this team has some serious issues in the lines that weren't evident against Oregon.
I think it's legit. What I think is UGA ain't used to being a target... though that's what they are. Theyre going to be circled and spied, now, instead of just another tough game for their opponents. They also have swallowed their own hype- thinking their mere presence enough to intimidate opponents, and they latched into a nasty and fiesty mizzou instead of the mizzou we've seen otherwise.
Theyre going to get everyone's best game. Especially when they're on the road.
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Sure, they may get a full effort by opponents, but they should be able to handle that with their talent, if they have the talent. I'm sure South Carolina was thinking upset, but they took them down quickly. Kent State? I was seeing issues there for sure, and even earlier. They were somewhat "lucky" at times to connect on 50-50 passes in earlier games, you can't depend on that routinely. And you need to run the D ball.
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Georgia's problem is boredom. It is impossible to stay focused when you play a dog bone every week. They have played Samford, South Carolina, Kent State and Missouri in a row. When they play an opponent with a heartbeat they will be all right.
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Ah yes, the vaunted 5-4-5 defense. Admittedly it was really tough to get yards against.
Hard to believe we're in the same conference and that 2010 game was the last time UT came to Tiger Stadium. I could've sworn our return game in 2011 was our last trip to Knoxville, but the interwebz tells me we played there in 2017. I must be getting old, because all games through about 2014 are seared into my memory, never to be forgotten, but I can't remember half the games from last year. I have zero recollection of playing Tennessee in 2017. That would've been when Danny Etling was our QB.....who was theirs? Says we won by 20 and we sucked....how bad was UT in 2017, and why wasn't that game interesting enough to remember?
We haven't played much over the years, but UT is 20-10-3 against us all-time. I doubt that gets any prettier for us this weekend.
Nevertheless, I think a realistic approach to this season is looking for the correct signs of progression, not so much the wins. It can't be overstated how bad of shape O left the roster. Kelly turned over the entire staff--direct and peripheral--and had to get a lot of kids from the portal to fill out the team. New staff, new kids, young kids....I think you just want to see that they're developing at this point. They seem to be. It's not gonna be much comfort when they run the gauntlet, tho.
Unfortunately, Mike, I was there. Went with my wife, and brother and sis in law that are big LSU fans. He is from Bunkie, LA.
It was an unremarkable game, other than monsoon conditions for part of the game, where chunks of the jumbotron were falling off into the crowd.
All I really remember is you guys had a RB run for a million yards, and beat us soundly. Brady Hoke was our interim coach after Butch Jones was shown the door a week or two before.
The only winless SEC gauntlet in our history, and our worst overall season in history. 4-8. Ugh.
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And it's the week everybody has been waiting on....A&M at Alabama. Fisher vs. Saban.....Unbeaten vs.....soundly beaten?
OK, so it's not all it was cracked up to be last summer. I think it still managed to get a primetime spot !
There are only two types of games of A&M vs Bama in the SEC. The ones where Bama jumps on us early and we never get close to a 2 TD difference....
Or the one where for some reason our offense wakes up from an all season slumber, jumps all over Bama early, then holds on in the last quarter to win by a hair.
Choice 1.....6 games.
Choice 2....2 games.
The only exception I can think of is 2016 where Trevor Knight and co actually led Alabama late in the 2nd quarter only to get stomped for said 2 TD gap and 2013 where JFF and co scored a bunch in the 3rd and 4th quarter to get close. Seems like we trailed by 3 TD early in the 2013 game, caught up, and then it was a race to the finish with little defense on either side.
I see us floundering on offense most of this game, maybe getting a FG in the first half. Bama jumps out to a 28-3 halftime lead. We battle back in the 3rd quarter for 42-13 score, and finish about 55-26 or some such. We'll start Haynes King, he will suck and get picked off 2-3 times, one of which is returned for a TD. Then after we're down by 4 TD's they'll put Weigman into the game where he'll play OK against the Bama backups and then every fan will be screaming for him to start next week as if the OL and receivers haven't been a problem all season.
Or we could win.
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I think it's legit. What I think is UGA ain't used to being a target... though that's what they are. Theyre going to be circled and spied, now, instead of just another tough game for their opponents. They also have swallowed their own hype- thinking their mere presence enough to intimidate opponents, and they latched into a nasty and fiesty mizzou instead of the mizzou we've seen otherwise.
Theyre going to get everyone's best game. Especially when they're on the road.
You got it again! Been experiencing it at Bama forever. A former coach and a current coach took it to another level. Preparing for Bama year round. Namely Danny Ford while at Arkansas and Jimbo Fisher at A$M. Ford had some limited success against Bama but couldn't beat anyone else and was fired. Fisher is on the same path.
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The only winless SEC gauntlet in our history, and our worst overall season in history. 4-8. Ugh.
here's to another one of those seasons for vols. :)
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If UGA struggles again this weekend, at home, again Auburn, well, I think they could be looking at 9-3 or 10-2, not some "repeat".
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here's to another one of those seasons for vols. :)
Hopefully not for another 120 years when I’m long dead and gone. 💀
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Somebody voted LSU into the 25th slot, just enough to make UT/LSU the only top 25 matchup in conference this weekend. I think "they" are trying to stir interest, but that being said, that makes it all the more surprising this game didn't get a primetime slot.
I'll go with: UT jumps on LSU early, eventually our defense makes adjustments and plays like the improved unit they are, and frustrates UT through most of the second half. LSU will play inspired at home and land a few blows on offense, but ultimately have too many problems to threaten a Vols defense rotating 12 linemen who they can't wear down, as with MSU, Auburn. The early slot will prevent too many people from seeing the humiliation, but LSU will still be soundly booted out of the rankings with a note that says "Don't call us, we'll call you."
Tenn 34
LSU 20
Me and Mrs. DeTiger have to make a trip to north Texas this weekend to visit her grandmother in the nursing home and we'll probably miss both of our games ~???
UGA/AU may be interesting, due to UGA's recent struggles and the rumors that Harsin is a dead man walking. That kind of chatter usually tends to inspire a team to close ranks and fight like hell, or else they check out and start losing reeeal bad.
UGA 35
AU 10
A&M/Bama....I kind of wish I could watch that just for the off-season story lines. I forget exactly what, but Saban and Jimbo had some words for each other about recruiting, or something.
Bama 41
A&M 10
Mizzou/Fla, UK/USC.....meh.
Maybe the game I'm most interested in is Arkansas/Clanga. Pigs are faltering after showing some promise and dropping a game to A&M they maybe should have won. Cowbells are not highly regarded, but so far keep finding ways to get it done. May be a good one.
Clanga 35
Piggies 24
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41-10 sounds about right. This team is a mess right now. Maybe we can take advantage of their starting QB being out and make a game of it.
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Why is A&M a mess? what's going on ???
(https://i.imgur.com/MSaaPiE.png)
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You are probably just poor mouthing. How does anybody have any idea how this game will go? Alabama with Bryce Young probably deserves to be a huge favorite, but Young likely won't play. I would wager this. Without Young Alabama plays a qb who can run but cannot pass. I know everybody is gaga about his running against Arkansas, but what nobody wants to address is the fact he missed two open receivers for touchdowns and all his completed passes were underneath.
Alabama 28 Aggies 21
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We also have 9 starters out, on a team that is very heavy with underclassmen.
Including our starting QB. That may not quite be 100% accurate, because King was the starter until week 3, but he’s been a turnover machine.
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Folks like setting low expectations beforehand ...
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Headed to a concert this evening will miss late games
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Ouch. Talk about a punch in the gut. We should have never been in this game, but kept fighting and Bama kept tripping on their own toes. Kinda surprised at how much rushing yards the defense gave up, and very surprised at how many TO Bama had. Wish the last play would have at least been tossed into the endzone, not sure WTF they were doing there.
Lot of heat on Jimbo to get a real offensive coordinator, I say meh. Most programs have had bad offenses in the past with real OC, we certainly have. King doesn't really look good at all, he doesn't appear to have any escape speed, and the OL doesn't give him much time to throw.
He still finished with 253 passing yards, a lot of it coming at the end of the 4th quarter. Evan Stewart looks to be the real deal.
No moral victories here. On to the next one. Still a lot of football left to play, can end up with a nice season, not great but one to grow on and maybe hope for a great year in '23.
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Need a good deal on some dentures...
..we just got our teeth kicked in
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I didn't know Levis was out at UK, tough loss for them at home. I misfired on Tnn-LSU obviously.
The third Saturday in October looks interesting ...
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Tenn 34
LSU 20
Well, I got the winner right. Le sigh.
UGA 35
AU 10
Close
Bama 41
A&M 10
Not close
Clanga 35
Piggies 24
About a touchdown wrong on both sides
Not bad, but I shouldn't quit my day job to be a gambler
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The Alabama OL was not called for holding one time during the game. Imagine that !
https://twitter.com/i/status/1578931142203703297
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Auburn @ Ole Miss --- Be fun to pick an upset, but no, 38-13 OM
Alabama @ Tenn --- GotW for sure, and then some, still hard to pick against the Gumps, 41-31 Bama
Vandy @ UGA --- Should be a blow out, but ... Dawgs 48-13
LSU @ Florida --- I picked LSU in an upset last week, nope, Gaters 27-17
MSU @ Kentucky --- Don't know if Levis is playing, UK 27-24
Arky @ BYU --- Mormons 27-17.
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I feel bad for myself as a fan.
For the untold legions of LSU 'fans' who b*tched and moaned their way through the Les Miles era--the obvious and not-close greatest period of sustained success in program history--they deserve every bit of this.
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I think that should be "fewer miles" ...
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The Alabama OL was not called for holding one time during the game. Imagine that !
1 play aside, you cannot possibly claim bama gets calls. we are last in sec in penalties called against us, and near dead last in whole ncaa, at 122nd. not that they're undeserved, mind you. this team is undisciplined, which is surprising. but refs aren't letting them off the hook either.
as for holding specifically, refs, for whatever reason, seem to swallow whistles during bama games. no, bama doesn't get called for holding a lot. but neither do they get holding calls for them on defense. and with probably the best tandem of rushers in cfb, and one of the best ever, you can't tell me they never get held. and no, i'm not naive enough to think bama doesn't hold either. refs call it equal both ways, just seems they decided not to call it at all, for either team, for some reason. my theory, bama games get out of hand early enough that they just let it go to get game over with quicker.
here is a michigan blog post from 4-5 years ago with data on lack of holding calls for bama. quick recap, bama gets the fewest holding calls in their favor in cfb. and by a huge amount. https://mgoblog.com/diaries/offensive-holding-b1g-and-beyond-part-deux
since then, it's "gotten better", and by that i mean bama is usually in the middle of the pack and not some crazy outlier. this is also only considering total penalties, i don't have data on holding specific calls.
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I like having handy excuses for losses ....
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I still have the still-shot and the .gif on my phone of the Bama center putting Ego Ferguson in a literal headlock in the 2013 game, with a referee looking right at it. I mean....I guess technically it wasn't holding...
I also still have the photo bursts of the entire play of Auburn's non-PI call from 2006.
Both those ref crews can suck it.
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refs do suck. they get crap wrong all the time. some favor our teams, some don't.
like that safety-no-targeting-no-incomplete-pass-ok-play-just-didn't-happen call vs texas. i'm still confused on that one.
or the double facemask on the wr/db that only went against the db in the bama atm game.
some go for you, some against. and most just don't make any sense.
reminds me of the baseball balk rule.
Balk Rules
1) You can’t just be up there and just doin’ a balk like that.
1a. A balk is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can’t do that.
1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can’t be over here and say to the runner, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to pitch and then don’t pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there’s the balk you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn’t been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn’t typecast as that racist lady in American History X.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). “get in mah bellah” — Adam Water, “The Waterboy.” Haha, classic…
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
2) Do not do a balk please.
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Yeah, did you know it's a balk if you're on the rubber and drop the ball?
My son got called once for a perfectly legal move to second base. I've seen it hundreds of times and used it myself often.
I got called for a move to third once, the umpire explained it to me, and he was correct. I just didn't know that rule. I was 12 I think, in an All Star game. Still recall it. Had the guy picked off big time.
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Being the most penalized team at something doesn't say anything about the referees missing calls. It's logically consistent to say that Alabama gets away with a lot of holds AND that they're the most penalized team for holding.
That said....
I have a suspicion that it mostly all evens out. Me and another guy took a look at this (and Bama specifically) back a few years ago, and while results aren't iron-clad due to what I mentioned above, I would expect to see a different distribution than what we came up with if Alabama were getting more favorable calls. They "averaged out," so to speak.
Maybe because Alabama is good every year and you need everything to go your way to beat them most of the time it sticks out in people's memory more when something doesn't go your team's way. Timing is another thing. For example, as an LSU fan it's easy to be sore about a couple of calls (1 call and 1 non-call) that happened in the LSU/Bama game in 2014. iirc, there wasn't much to complain about that game, or at least it evened out. It's just that the two calls came at such a bad time, right at the end when it seemed likely LSU would seal the game, the calls seemed almost certainly to affect the outcome, and therefore it tends to be remembered as more than it was.
I think there is something to referee bias, not in the sense that they're intentionally favoring teams, but in the sense that almost every human has, which is perceiving something which may or may not be the case. Take these two examples: In Alabama's case, they're thought of as having elite O-linemen with great technique. That's for a reason...Alabama has recruited and developed a ton of outstanding OLs the last decade+. It wouldn't shock me at all to find that refs "see" less penalties because they expect to. Or consider LSU during the string of ridiculous defensive backs they had for years. IMO, LSU got away with more PI than the average team. Could it be the refs "missed" those calls because they expect lsu dbs to be great? Wouldn't surprise me. The non-calls didn't tend to be egregious, but they let tiger dbs get away with more contact than the average team. In my opinion. I would've been irked at some of the calls we didn't get, were I a fan of the opposing team.
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I used to ref rec soccer, usually U14 abd U18. It wasn't the easiest thing in the world, and some of the coaches didn't understand soccer rules at all.
If you bend a kick and it goes outside the line, fully, in the air and comes back in, it is out of bounds. A ball on the line is in bounds. Off sides, don't get me started.
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The Alabama OL was not called for holding one time during the game. Imagine that !
https://twitter.com/i/status/1578931142203703297
So? This wasn't called either.
https://twitter.com/Jsheff001/status/1579318924700946433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1579318924700946433%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
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The Alabama OL was not called for holding one time during the game. Imagine that !
https://twitter.com/i/status/1578931142203703297
The A$M OL was not called for holding one time during the game. Imagine that!
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Notice I didn’t blame the outcome on the refs. I just think it’s odd that Bama, and apparently TAMU, did not get called for offensive holding.
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Notice I didn’t blame the outcome on the refs. I just think it’s odd that Bama, and apparently TAMU, DID NOT GET called for offensive holding.
FIFY.
As a matter of fact, Bama has had the opponent called for offensive holding but TWO times in their SIX games.
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FIFY.
As a matter of fact, Bama has had the opponent called for offensive holding but TWO times in their SIX games.
You're right, I meant that both teams DID NOT get called.
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1 play aside, you cannot possibly claim bama gets calls. we are last in sec in penalties called against us, and near dead last in whole ncaa, at 122nd. not that they're undeserved, mind you. this team is undisciplined, which is surprising. but refs aren't letting them off the hook either.
as for holding specifically, refs, for whatever reason, seem to swallow whistles during bama games. no, bama doesn't get called for holding a lot. but neither do they get holding calls for them on defense. and with probably the best tandem of rushers in cfb, and one of the best ever, you can't tell me they never get held. and no, i'm not naive enough to think bama doesn't hold either. refs call it equal both ways, just seems they decided not to call it at all, for either team, for some reason. my theory, bama games get out of hand early enough that they just let it go to get game over with quicker.
here is a michigan blog post from 4-5 years ago with data on lack of holding calls for bama. quick recap, bama gets the fewest holding calls in their favor in cfb. and by a huge amount. https://mgoblog.com/diaries/offensive-holding-b1g-and-beyond-part-deux
since then, it's "gotten better", and by that i mean bama is usually in the middle of the pack and not some crazy outlier. this is also only considering total penalties, i don't have data on holding specific calls.
In 'Opponent Penalty Yards per Penalty', Bama ranks #123 at 7.5 yards. Meaning that for every penalty that has been called against a FBS opponent, Bama has received an average of 7.5 yards per penalty. Meaning that major penalties called against a Bama opponent are few and far between. A$M is ranked #6. They get 10.2 yards per penalty.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-penalty-yards-per-penalty
Note that in Away games, Bama gets 5.5 yards per penalty. And A$M gets 11 yards per penalty! At Home, Bama gets 8.2 and A$M gets 8.9
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It's amazing when facts get in the way of a good story.
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(https://i.imgur.com/pz5bMIm.png)
From the play-by-play account:
- 3rd & 10 at ALA 27
(0:23 - 4th) Haynes King pass complete to Moose Muhammad III for 12 yds to the Alab 15 for a 1ST down
How the hell can the white hat standing directly behind the QB and looking directly at the play not call that!?
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Like I said, it's strange that neither side got called for OPI, when any given game usually has at least 3-4 of these. Especially with the videos and pictures posted on this thread.
At the very least if they didn't call it on either team at least it was somewhat even.
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I love Gumps. Never change.
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Notice I didn’t blame the outcome on the refs. I just think it’s odd that Bama, and apparently TAMU, did not get called for offensive holding.
this is what i meant when i said that refs swallow the whistle on oline holding in bama games. neither team gets any calls. and it's been that way for damn near a decade now, if not longer. that aforementioned blog had data that went back to 2014, i think. no idea why. original theory was that bama's games were blowouts from the jump and the refs just let it play to get game over with sooner. but for games like this one, that obviously doesn't hold.
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That's not even a hypothesis that would cross my mind. I don't see the obvious or attractive motivation for the refs to think that way.
However, I have seen many games in cfb, and even a few in the NFL, where refs appeared to swallow whistles on 3rd or 4th consecutive offenses. Like a team will get called for holding twice in a row, it's 3rd and 30, and then they commit holding again, plain as day, and the refs don't blow the whistle. It's like they start feeling bad for piling on the team or something. Seen it with PI, holding, and false starts. Particularly if it's the same guy committing the foul.
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it's more of a "just keep the clock running" thought process. i've heard some refs say they'll let more things slide in blowouts to avoid prolonging the games, albeit in lower levels of sports.
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this is what i meant when i said that refs swallow the whistle on oline holding in bama games. neither team gets any calls. and it's been that way for damn near a decade now, if not longer. that aforementioned blog had data that went back to 2014, i think. no idea why. original theory was that bama's games were blowouts from the jump and the refs just let it play to get game over with sooner. but for games like this one, that obviously doesn't hold.
Bama has been at the bottom of the opponent-penalty charts in the site I linked above for more than 10 years.
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Bama has been at the bottom of the opponent-penalty charts in the site I linked above for more than 10 years.
that's not true. last year we were in top 10 in most opp penalties. though we did play 1 more game than most, so per game puts us 38th. 2020 we were 15th and 71st, respectively. there was a period of about 7-8 years where we were near dead last each year save 1, but the last 2-3 years we've been middle of the pack (60s/70's) for opp p/g.
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this is what i meant when i said that refs swallow the whistle on oline holding in bama games. neither team gets any calls. and it's been that way for damn near a decade now, if not longer. that aforementioned blog had data that went back to 2014, i think. no idea why. original theory was that bama's games were blowouts from the jump and the refs just let it play to get game over with sooner. but for games like this one, that obviously doesn't hold.
...unlike Bama's O-line.
ba-zing!