As long as OSU wins, I don't care if it's rigged or not.OSU is gonna get UW under the lights.
OSU is gonna get UW under the lights.
Next year in Madison, assuming they play, the game will be at Noon, in November.
Nah. The riggers will schedule it in November - the month during which night games are not permitted.Is that rule still in effect?
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OSU is gonna get UW under the lights.I have no idea with expansion and whatnot if this will happen, but Ohio State and Wisconsin should play on November 8, 2025. That is the Saturday closest to the 50th anniversary of the loss of the Edmund Fitzgerald just after 7:10 CST on November 10, 1975. The bulk of the crewmen lost were from Ohio and Wisconsin. I'd even consider playing the game in Green Bay and, if he is still alive in three years, have Gordon Lightfoot in for a halftime show.
Next year in Madison, assuming they play, the game will be at Noon, in November.
I have no idea with expansion and whatnot if this will happen, but Ohio State and Wisconsin should play on November 8, 2025. That is the Saturday closest to the 50th anniversary of the loss of the Edmund Fitzgerald just after 7:10 CST on November 10, 1975. The bulk of the crewmen lost were from Ohio and Wisconsin. I'd even consider playing the game in Green Bay and, if he is still alive in three years, have Gordon Lightfoot in for a halftime show.come for the football coverage
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Nebraska stands out glaringly here as the team doing the least with the most.Wisconsin has 2 5* players buried on the bench. Both are OL.
Records in cross-divisonal games, 2014-2021:At first I was like, hey how come some teams have 25 games and some only have 21 games. Then I was like, oh yeah the pandemic.
- .920, Ohio State, 23-2, 5-0 in CG's
- .773, Michigan, 17-5, 1-0 in CG
- .652, Penn State, 15-8, 1-0 in CG
- .609, Iowa, 14-9, 0-2 in CG's
- .520, Wisconsin, 13-12, 0-4 in CG's
- .500, Michigan State, 11-11, 1-0 in CG
- .455, Nebraska, 10-12
- .435, Northwestern, 10-13, 0-2 in CG's
- .429, Minnesota, 9-12
- .400, Indiana, 8-12
- .381, Illinois, 8-13
- .333, Maryland, 7-14
- .300, Purdue, 6-14
- .182, Rutgers, 4-18
At first I was like, hey how come some teams have 25 games and some only have 21 games. Then I was like, oh yeah the pandemic.And CCG's.
Its amazing Nebraska's record is halfway decent when you consider they had to play OSU every year.
On the flip side, it helps that Iowa has only played OSU twice since 2014 and actually won once.
And CCG's.Oh, if it includes CCG that explains why Wiscy's record is so much worse than you expect. At least since 2014 anyway.
Oh, if it includes CCG that explains why Wiscy's record is so much worse than you expect. At least since 2014 anyway.The above is for the E-W era only so 2014-2021 and does include CG's. Here it is with CG's excluded and this year's games so far included:
The above is for the E-W era only so 2014-2021 and does include CG's. Here it is with CG's excluded and this year's games so far included:Can you post the records without the designated crossovers from the past six years? 2014-2021. Not including this year or CCG's.Iowa is surprisingly good but part of that is generally avoiding tOSU as compared to UW and then of course beating the Buckeyes once.
- .900 tOSU, 18-2
- .762 M, 16-5
- .667 Iowa, 14-7
- .652 PSU, 15-8
- .619 UW, 13-8
- .476 MSU, 10-11
- .476 NU 10-11
- .455 UNL 10-12
- .429 IU, 9-12
- .429 MN, 9-12
- .364 IL, 8-14
- .333 UMD, 7-14
- .286 PU, 6-15
- .182 RU, 4-18
Purdue and Indiana are somewhat artificially inflated by playing each other every year and thus avoiding better teams from the other division.
I'm more proud of Pelini's win over the BucknutzThe biggest comeback in Nebraska football history and my only visit to Memorial Stadium.
The above is for the E-W era only so 2014-2021 and does include CG's. Here it is with CG's excluded and this year's games so far included:I don't think that will help your argument for Iowa. Iowa's crossover fixed rival from 2016-2021 was PSU. Iowa was 2-4 against PSU. So subtract PSU games Iowa was 12-3. The 3 losses were to MD in 2014, MSU in 2017 and Mich in 2019.Iowa is surprisingly good but part of that is generally avoiding tOSU as compared to UW and then of course beating the Buckeyes once.
- .900 tOSU, 18-2
- .762 M, 16-5
- .667 Iowa, 14-7
- .652 PSU, 15-8
- .619 UW, 13-8
- .476 MSU, 10-11
- .476 NU 10-11
- .455 UNL 10-12
- .429 IU, 9-12
- .429 MN, 9-12
- .364 IL, 8-14
- .333 UMD, 7-14
- .286 PU, 6-15
- .182 RU, 4-18
Purdue and Indiana are somewhat artificially inflated by playing each other every year and thus avoiding better teams from the other division.
obviously should have stacked a couple more 5-star QBs on that roster
and this was before the portal
Also having Bauserman ahead of Kenny "Smooth Jazz" Guiton on the depth chart.
Gray shirting Cardale Jones that year was a huge mistake. He never even used that sixth year that it bought him.
I don't think that will help your argument for Iowa. Iowa's crossover fixed rival from 2016-2021 was PSU. Iowa was 2-4 against PSU. So subtract PSU games Iowa was 12-3. The 3 losses were to MD in 2014, MSU in 2017 and Mich in 2019.I've added Wisconsin's record against each next to Iowa's.
For regular season only Iowa record against the east
OSU 1-0, 0-2, 0-5
Mich 1-1 (1-2 if counting CCG), 3-3
MSU 1-1 (1-2 if counting CCG), 2-0
PSU 2-4, 0-2, 0-3
MD 3-1, 3-0
IND 4-0, 1-1
RUT 2-0, 4-0
TOTAL 14-7 (14-9), 13-8, (13-12)
Also having Bauserman ahead of Kenny "Smooth Jazz" Guiton on the depth chart.
on the west bank of the Rhine in the northeast of GallThat's a very obscure geographic reference. Is there some interesting history there?
B1G West is wide open this year. Anyone could win it. They might all finish with the exact same record.I assume you were referring to me.
If only we had some sort of a tie-breaker expert to break down all of the various scenarios for us along the way.
If every team finished 4-5, it would be H2H... 2H2H2H2H2H.Right, and if they each got there by going 3-3 against each other and 1-2 against the B1G-E that would mean that the first four tiebreakers would be tied and the tie would likely be broken based on which team had the best B1G-E opponents.
If every team finished 4-5, it would be H2H... 2H2H2H2H2H.At that point just let the UM-OSU winner play the Colts. They just tied the shitty Texans, sonat least they get home field
Who is likely to have the best B1G East opponents according to our current prognostications?Howdy.
Who is likely to have the best B1G East opponents according to our current prognostications?I would rank in this order
There is NO WAY Wisconsin beats OSU.Not fair. I think Wisconsin was the original 'NO WAY'.
I think Drew should use the small personal fortune he's made off this site to roadtrip across the country, and bringing back long gone postersHe @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) would make it about a mile on the 0.1 gallon of gas he could afford...
Alternatively, he could base it around a college football roadtrip, and sell subscriptions
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This week promises some more interesting cross-over matchups. And Northwestern is also playing:This could be a bad week for the West. Normally I am optimistic about Iowa's chances against anyone in Iowa City, but I just have this feeling it's going to as bad as last year's Big Ten championship game. Iowa's offense will do nothing and Iowa's defense will keep it close until it wears out in the 4Q. 42-3 again I am afraid.
Michigan -10.5 @ Iowa
Northwestern +25.5 @ Penn State
Indiana +3.5 @ Nebraska
And Nebraska just seems like a mess right now while Ind has been finding ways to win close games. I think it's going to be 3-0 for the east this week.Yeah, I'm thinking that Nebraska will look like the better team and Indiana will win by a FG.
based on computersI mean, you don't need computers to rank them as such
Unless JJ improves a lot, I suspect he'll make some costly mistakes this week. He did not have good pocket presence against MD. I don't know if it'll be enough for Iowa to win, but I am expecting a close game.Didn't happen
Didn't happenHe only really had the one costly mistake, but the game was fairly well in hand by then. The real shocker to me of this game was how dominant the Michigan OL was. I was expecting Iowa to cause more issues in the run game, but Michigan was chewing up lots of yards. Good job by Michigan to be disciplined and taking what the defense gave them.
Here are all the inter-divisonal games this year:My intention was to update this weekly so here it is.
- PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
- IU 23, IL 20 at IU
- tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
- MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
- IA 27, RU 10 at RU
- M 27, IA 14 at IA
- UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
- PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
- E leads 5-3
- UNL at RU, 10/7
- PU at UMD, 10/8
- UW at MSU, 10/15
- IA at tOSU, 10/22
- NU at UMD, 10/22
- MN at PSU, 10/22
- RU at MN, 10/29
- tOSU at NU, 11/5
- MSU at IL, 11/5
- UMD at UW, 11/5
- UNL at M, 11/12
- IL at M, 11/19
- PU at IU, 11/26
- BIGCG
He only really had the one costly mistake, but the game was fairly well in hand by then. The real shocker to me of this game was how dominant the Michigan OL was. I was expecting Iowa to cause more issues in the run game, but Michigan was chewing up lots of yards. Good job by Michigan to be disciplined and taking what the defense gave them.on rewatch, it wasn't really that bad a mistake by JJ. yeah he probably should've just ate it and taken the sack, but the bad mistake was by RT Trente Jones- who tried to double team an Iowa DT inside with the RG and left Iowa's edge rusher completely unblocked and untouched to the QB to take a free kill shot on JJ while JJ was attempting a pass. Jones has had issues in pass protection all-season. Even vs the scrub OOC slate. He's been a dominant run blocker but if he doesn't fix his pass protection issues and fast- well then he needs to hit the bench and they need to try out a right tackle that doesn't make those kind of mistakes.
Here are all the inter-divisonal games this year:The West is not doing too bad considering the East gets the extra home game this year. But I still expect the East to eventually prevail 13-9 counting the CCG.
- PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
- IU 23, IL 20 at IU
- tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
- MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
- IA 27, RU 10 at RU
- M 27, IA 14 at IA
- UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
- PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
- UNL 14, RU 13 at RU
- PU 31, UMD 29 at UMD
- Tied 5-5
- UW at MSU, 10/15
- IA at tOSU, 10/22
- NU at UMD, 10/22
- MN at PSU, 10/22
- RU at MN, 10/29
- tOSU at NU, 11/5
- MSU at IL, 11/5
- UMD at UW, 11/5
- UNL at M, 11/12
- IL at M, 11/19
- PU at IU, 11/26
- BIGCG
Here are all the inter-divisonal games this year:Above is updated. The West had tied it up but the East swept the last two weekends so now the East only needs two more to tie or three more to win.
- PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
- IU 23, IL 20 at IU
- tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
- MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
- IA 27, RU 10 at RU
- M 27, IA 14 at IA
- UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
- PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
- UNL 14, RU 13 at RU
- PU 31, UMD 29 at UMD
- MSU 34, UW 28 at MSU
- tOSU 54, Iowa 10 at tOSU
- UMD 31, NU 24 at UMD
- PSU 45, MN 17 at PSU
- East leads 9-5
- RU at MN, 10/29
- tOSU at NU, 11/5
- MSU at IL, 11/5
- UMD at UW, 11/5
- UNL at M, 11/12
- IL at M, 11/19
- PU at IU, 11/26
- BIGCG
I know the Big Ten is talking about keeping divisions for 1 more year in 2023, but they need to pull the plug after this year. The only thing that can save the West this year is if somehow ILL goes on a run and beats Mich late in the season. But more likely ILL will lose to Mich and one other team (Purdue?) and the West winner will have 3 losses this year.With UCLA and USC entering the Big Ten there is still an argument for divisions, especially given the extensive travel USC and UCLA will be making. Traveling to Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers even by airliners, adds hours to their RT flight over stops at Lincoln, Cedar Rapids, Minneapolis, Madison, Champaign and Chicago. It appears UCLA and USC will finish this week with 8-1 records, each. They could help even things out with the East.
However, the West will continue to have difficulty winning the Big Ten Championship Game. Ohio State is a juggernaut, and Michigan is wanting to be one too. Actually, most of championship games have been competitive. Iowa was a joke against Michigan last season, and that's on Iowa.
I think there’s an argument for keeping the divisions when you add USC and UCLA. I’d probably just take Northwestern from the west and swap them to the east with Sparty to try and make things a little more balanced. Michigan, OSU, and Penn State in the same division is tough enough as is.Although I believe that sticking with east-divisions or any divisions would be a bad idea after 2023, if the Big Ten insists on sticking with the east-west setup, then it would probably be enough to just place USC and UCLA in the west and shift Purdue to the East. Swapping NW and MSU would not make a big enough difference to deal with needing the permanent cross-overs needed with Mich-MSU and ILL-NW.
It is easy to see who the three protected rivals of Wisc., Nebr., Iowa, and Minnesota would be. Maybe Wisconsin would not be a protected rival of Nebraska, and instead have one or both west coast teams as protected rivals along with Iowa. It becomes more difficult to identify three protected rivals for most of the rest of the Big Ten, including USC and UCLA.I could see USC getting NW and MSU as its 2 other rivals. USC and NW are both private schools in large metro areas. USC and MSU both have that Greek mascot theme.
I am not sure USC and UCLA will want to more regularly cross three time zones to play teams in the Eastern time zone, or that Eastern teams will want to cross three time zones regularly to play night games on the west coast.
It will be interesting to see how they work this out.
Historically, the only Big Ten school USC does not have a winning record against is Penn State -- against whom USC is 3-3. The west might start winning divisional championships with USC joining the BTW.
Here are all of the inter-divisonal games this year:The East has clinched a regular season win and at least a tie overall.
- PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
- IU 23, IL 20 at IU
- tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
- MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
- IA 27, RU 10 at RU
- M 27, IA 14 at IA
- UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
- PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
- UNL 14, RU 13 at RU
- PU 31, UMD 29 at UMD
- MSU 34, UW 28 at MSU
- tOSU 54, Iowa 10 at tOSU
- UMD 31, NU 24 at UMD
- PSU 45, MN 17 at PSU
- MN 31, RU 0 at MN
- tOSU 21, NU 7 at NU
- MSU 23, IL 15 at IL
- UW 23, UMD 10 at UW
- East leads 11-7
- UNL at M, 11/12
- IL at M, 11/19
- PU at IU, 11/26
- BIGCG
Oh well, the West will get one last chance for redemption in 2023.The West also gets home field advantage in 2023 with 14 of the 21 regular season games in B1G-W stadiums.