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Title: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: ELA on September 02, 2022, 02:40:59 PM

	FIRST TEAM				SECOND TEAM
C.J. Stroud	Ohio State	Sophomore	QB	Aidan O'Connell	Purdue	Senior
TreVeyon Henderson	Ohio State	Sophomore	RB	Braelon Allen	Wisconsin	Sophomore
Mohamed Ibrahim	Minnesota	Senior	RB	Blake Corum	Michigan	Sophomore
Jaxon Smith-Njigba	Ohio State	Sophomore	WR	Rakim Jarrett	Maryland	Junior
Jayden Reed	Michigan State	Junior	WR	Chris Autman-Bell	Minnesota	Senior
Sam LaPorta	Iowa	Senior	TE	Erick All	Michigan	Senior
Peter Skoronski	Northwestern	Junior	T	Ryan Hayes	Michigan	Senior
Alex Palczewski	Illinois	Senior	G	Zak Zinter	Michigan	Junior
John Michael Schmitz	Minnesota	Senior	C	Olusegun Oluwatimi	Michigan	Senior
J.D. Duplain	Michigan State	Senior	G	Tyler Beach	Wisconsin	Senior
Paris Johnson Jr.	Ohio State	Junior	T	Dawand Jones	Ohio State	Senior
			.
Zach Harrison	Ohio State	Senior	DE	Ochaun Mathis	Nebraska	Senior
P.J. Mustipher	Penn State	Senior	DT	Keeanu Benton	Wisconsin	Senior
Jacob Slade	Michigan State	Senior	DT	Mazi Smith	Michigan	Senior
Adetomiwa Adebawore	Northwestern	Senior	DE	Thomas Rush	Minnesota	Senior
Jack Campbell	Iowa	Senior	LB	Mariano Sori-Marin	Minnesota	Senior
Nick Herbig	Wisconsin	Junior	LB	Garrett Nelson	Nebraska	Junior
Seth Benson	Iowa	Senior	LB	Cal Haladay	Michigan State	Sophomore
Riley Moss	Iowa	Senior	CB	Joey Porter Jr.	Penn State	Junior
Denzel Burke	Ohio State	Sophomore	CB	Cameron Mitchell	Northwestern	Junior
Ronnie Hickman	Ohio State	Junior	S	Xavier Henderson	Michigan State	Senior
Ji'Ayir Brown	Penn State	Senior	S	Sydney Brown	Illinois	Senior
			.
Jake Moody	Michigan	Senior	K	Noah Ruggles	Ohio State	Senior
Adam Korsak	Rutgers	Senior	P
			RET

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: ELA on September 02, 2022, 02:41:21 PM

This one is pretty obviously Reed, but with the NFL on the line, I wonder if he keeps doing it

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: LittlePig on September 02, 2022, 06:27:08 PM

Sigh, I wish Charlie Jones was still playing for Iowa but he has wandered over to Purdue to play with his childhood pal O'Connell.  You may have noticed Jones had 12 catches at WR for Purdue last night.

Also for the record, Jones is the returning Big Ten returner of the year.  Say that 5 times real fast.

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: ELA on September 02, 2022, 10:46:23 PM

Quote from: LittlePig on September 02, 2022, 06:27:08 PM

Sigh, I wish Charlie Jones was still playing for Iowa but he has wandered over to Purdue to play with his childhood pal O'Connell.  You may have noticed Jones had 12 catches at WR for Purdue last night.

Also for the record, Jones is the returning Big Ten returner of the year.  Say that 5 times real fast.

And yet Reed led the conference in both average return yardage and return TDs

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: Hawkeye0111 on September 02, 2022, 11:52:54 PM

Jones had the better kick return average and had a kick return touchdown.  He also had 635 total kick return yards on 25 returns vs Reed with 376 on 16 kickoff returns.  Reed was definitely a better punt returner last year.  Jones probably benefited from an excellent 2020 in punt returns combined with his prowess on kick returns last year.

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: MrNubbz on September 03, 2022, 06:20:39 AM

Haven't went homer very much but am here and I believe a very good reason

Emeka Egbuka (https://www.on3.com/db/emeka-egbuka-41658/) had the best return specialist grade in the Big Ten last season at 80.6. The sample size is the only reason he isn’t higher in this list.

Egbuka only had 20 returns last season for and all of them came in a kickoff setting. He made great use of those 20 opportunities averaging 29.2 yards per attempt. That was the best number in the Big Ten last year and the 10th best nationally. He tallied 583 yards in the return game which was 258 yards more than Aron Cruickshank on just five more attempts and 70 yards fewer than Charlie Jones in five less attempts.

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: FearlessF on September 03, 2022, 09:07:38 AM

but but statistics say that with more attempts the average goes down

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: Hawkeye0111 on September 03, 2022, 09:19:54 AM

I guess one of the questions would be if you give more weight to a guy who excels at both kickoff and punt returns vs one who is better at one of them individually.  I think touchdowns also gets weighed significantly in the general perception.  Egbuka did not have any.  That is definitely impressive that he racked up so many yards without scoring on a return.  In the end, I voted for Charlie Jones, and I think it is the opposite of a homer pick in some ways since he transferred from Iowa to Purdue after spring ball.  I was not a big fan of that move, but I still anticipate him having good punt and kickoff return numbers this year and better receiving numbers (sigh, Iowa offense).

Title: Re: CFB51 Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Returner #1
Post by: FearlessF on September 03, 2022, 09:21:25 AM

some folks think TDs are important

coaches are among those "folks"