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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: utee94 on August 10, 2022, 04:14:32 PM
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I figured we needed a general college football thread here on the B12 board.
And I saw this tweet from a couple of months back, thought it was interesting:
https://twitter.com/kyleumlang/status/1539271157098086402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1539271157098086402%7Ctwgr%5E916a311f28cd146e2d539628b7af447f038a56c9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkyleumlang%2Fstatus%2F1539271157098086402%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1539271157098086402257Ctwgr255E257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Ftexas%2Fboard%2F21%2FContents%2Ftoday-on-twitter-for-6212022-189012872%2F%3Fpage%3D1
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ESPN pulls out of TV contracts with B1G. Does ESPN now go to the SEC/Big 12 & get the UT/OU move accelerated?
I'm guessing 2024 will be the date.
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They didn't pull out. they just couldn't meet the demand.
Bonus is NO MORE BETH MOWINS.
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I figured we needed a general college football thread here on the B12 board.
And I saw this tweet from a couple of months back, thought it was interesting:
https://twitter.com/kyleumlang/status/1539271157098086402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1539271157098086402%7Ctwgr%5E916a311f28cd146e2d539628b7af447f038a56c9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkyleumlang%2Fstatus%2F1539271157098086402%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1539271157098086402257Ctwgr255E257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Ftexas%2Fboard%2F21%2FContents%2Ftoday-on-twitter-for-6212022-189012872%2F%3Fpage%3D1
I'm glad that OU is on that list, but UTEP and Kent State don't figure to be much better than good FCS programs.
Still, they're not FCS programs.
My long-standing opinion on this subject is that P5 programs should not schedule FCS programs.
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It doesn't bother me in general. But I certainly don't want MY team to do it.
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They didn't pull out. they just couldn't meet the demand.
Bonus is NO MORE BETH MOWINS.
They didn't see enough value in the B1G to meet the B1G's asking price. Why would they? They already have the SEC with Texas and OU incoming.
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There won’t be any money left over after the SEC espn deal goes thru.
Jesus no wonder OU and UT had to make the jump, the gap between the haves and have nots is about to get very wide.
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Yup.
In the immortal word of Cyndi Lauper, "Money Changes Everything."
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A&M at #7. In my time as a fan, since the mid 90's, whenever we started the season ranked high we always played under expectations. When we started mid to teens we more often than not we basically went 8-4 or 7-5 ish. Sometimes we managed 11 wins.
So we're going 8-4 again . YAY !
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Sure I suppose this is a good place to post the latest Top 25:
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The Big 12 is currently in a "we're better than you" debate with the Pac-12. It's obvious that third place doesn't even really exist any longer. Perhaps Thursday nights are available.
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There won’t be any money left over after the SEC espn deal goes thru.
Jesus no wonder OU and UT had to make the jump, the gap between the haves and have nots is about to get very wide.
well, it certainly puts pressure on ESPN to pay enough to land the SEC contract
they more or less HAVE to pay more than the next highest bidder
can you imagine ESPN and ESPN2 w/o the Big Ten and the SEC on saturdays?
bring on the ACC, Big 12, and the PAC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qVrRN-IM84
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I really do love it that the Horns have a #1 vote
:72:
talk about a kiss of death
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I'm sure it will really end up having an impact on the team this season.
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her name is Karma
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Well, karma didn't wait for the season to start.
During our first scrimmage, we lost our starting G and outside WR for the season to injury. One RB is lost for 4-6 weeks, as is an OLB. To be fair, the OLB was injured during Thursday practice when he stepped on a ref's foot.
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If we suck this year it's going to have nothing to do with karma.
And yeah these injuries after the first scrimmage are pretty crappy.
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I think OU's season turns on the game in Lincoln.
With a lot of new coaches and a lot of new players, the team will take some time to gel. If that has happened to a significant degree by Week 3, we could have a pretty good year.
Conversely, if we don't play well in Lincoln, we'll probably have a tough time in Dallas.
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I stated it in another thread, maybe earlier in this one, but a high rank for an A&M team early in the season always results in a subpar season.
Hoping to enter November with a shot to win the SEC—west.
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I stated it in another thread, maybe earlier in this one, but a high rank for an A&M team early in the season always results in a subpar season. . . .
A lot of OU fans think the same way. They'd rather see the Sooners at #10 than at #1.
Does anyone remember that Spencer Rattler was the preseason favorite for the Heisman last year? That seems long ago and far away.
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it was long and far away
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A lot of OU fans think the same way. They'd rather see the Sooners at #10 than at #1.
Does anyone remember that Spencer Rattler was the preseason favorite for the Heisman last year? That seems long ago and far away.
Dang that’s wild.
I’d feel better with A&M at #12-18. 19-25 just means probably not that good but could swing either way.
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Sucks for the young men that got injured.
What was the saying on the old, old, old board ? The backups are better.
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Yeah that is indeed what we used to say.
Rarely true but maybe we'll luck out.
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I don't care where UGA is ranked preseason either way. Usually a top three team PS ends up in the top ten with a few exceptions.
I'm somewhat amazed how many youtube videos there are of "experts" waxxing on about Team X. I will listen to a few for five minutes and get bored.
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I don't care where UGA is ranked preseason either way. Usually a top three team PS ends up in the top ten with a few exceptions.
I'm somewhat amazed how many youtube videos there are of "experts" waxxing on about Team X. I will listen to a few for five minutes and get bored.
exactly how I feel about predicting how many hurricanes we are gonna have
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Being ranked high, early, makes it easier to stay high.
But the truth is that any P5 team that goes undefeated including winning its conference championship game, is going to end up in the CFP.
And most teams that lose a game, will not, unless their names are Alabama or Georgia.
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The hurricane prediction track record is somewhat better than random picking. I suppose the mavens are about that on football.
They do get into minutiae uninteresting to me, and talk way too much about way too little.
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I think a 12-1 P5 conference champ is very likely in the CFP.
The thing about being ranked high preseason is expectations, which can lead to disappointment. You can't be too disappointed if expectations are low.
This is a universality. But in general, your team is better off being ranked high than not.
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Being ranked high, early, makes it easier to stay high.
But the truth is that any P5 team that goes undefeated including winning its conference championship game, is going to end up in the CFP.
And most teams that lose a game, will not, unless their names are Alabama or Georgia.
In the CFP era, a 1-loss OU has never been left out.
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In the CFP era, a 1-loss OU has never been left out.
Yeah, I was talking more about 1-loss conference game LOSERS, or 1-loss teams that skipped their CCG entirely. But I didn't specify. :)
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Ah, so.
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Yeah, I was talking more about 1-loss conference game LOSERS, or 1-loss teams that skipped their CCG entirely. But I didn't specify. :)
Huh, I can't recall this ever happening ...
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Interesting.
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Good Lord. Clickbait nonsense.
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I mean, isn’t it really all click-bait? Obviously some posts are more outlandish than others, but Colin Cowherd is somewhat a respected sports journalist and not some bullshit artist. Mostly.
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I haven't watched or listened to CC in a decade. Back then he was a blowhard who acted like he was well connected and knew a lot about the inner workings of college football but was so crazily slanted to SoCal homerism that I couldn't ever listen to more than a sentence or two. He seemed to know pro sports pretty well, but I don't really give a rat's ass about pro sports so it was never my cup of tea.
Looks to me like he's pursuing controversial takes for clicks. Which doesn't really scream respected sports journalist to me but your mileage may vary.
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The above is CB by CC pretty obviously, and it worked. CFN used to have rankings like this for the same reason.
I saw some mention of it somewhere and ignored it. But it gets attention.
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I really know very little of Colin Cowherd. I don’t follow very many sports journalists. I have no idea if he’s serious or not, just that his rankings definitely differ from the norm right now.
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He's definitely pro-USC to the nth degree. He thinks that Lincoln Riley is the best coach in college football and that he will very quickly take USC back to its rightful place at the top of CFB.
Muleshoe inherited a program that went 11-2 in Stoops' last year, and he went 12-2, 12-2, 12-2, 9-2, 11-2.
Why Cowherd he thinks that after Muleshoe was basically one win a year better than Bob Stoops over the course of 18 years, and had the OU program in decline, is hard for me to see.
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I hope he's more right than wrong
I REALLY doubt it
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I figure for the Dawgs to be 14th they need to lose two regular season games and a bowl game, which is certainly possible.
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When does a top shelf program decline? I’m trying to think of recent examples.
FSU comes to mind when Bowden got too old, and then again when they let Fisher leave.
Mack Brown and Texas really declined his last few years.
It seems like mostly top programs decline when the elite coach leaves and the replacement bombs.
I bet Nebraska wishes they didn’t fire Solich.
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USC declined, but I hear they hired the best coach in the history of football and soccer and will win the NC ten times in a row.
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I don’t recall the exact circumstances of their decline. I know Pete left them for the NFL, but we’re they already slipping before then?
Was Sark after Pete? And wasn’t Kiffin the coach awhile?
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I don't think Solich was going to last 10-20 seasons, but they should have kept him on until they could find a better option that Billy Callahan
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Solich won 9 games when they fired him.
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10 if you include the bowl game
he might not have been on the sideline, but it was his team
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Solich I believe was the last coach to come from the Original style of Nebraska football. Everybody since has tried to evolve the program. Callahan brought the west coast offense. Pellini brought toughness.
None have been very successful.
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Recruiting is important, or so I hear.
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Pelimni recruited toughness and not enough high level talent
but, he was more successful that Billy C. or Mike Riley, or Scott Frost
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When does a top shelf program decline? I’m trying to think of recent examples.
FSU comes to mind when Bowden got too old, and then again when they let Fisher leave.
Mack Brown and Texas really declined his last few years.
It seems like mostly top programs decline when the elite coach leaves and the replacement bombs.
I bet Nebraska wishes they didn’t fire Solich.
The air went out of Bobby Bowden's balloon at FSU when OU beat the 'Noles in the 2000 (season) Orange Bowl for the NC. FSU had finished in the top 5 for something like 13 straight years, had won the Natty for '93 and '99, and been runner-up in '98. And Bowden never threatened to repeat any of that after that Orange Bowl game. It's like that game took the heart out of him or something.
Nebraska should have waited till they found someone certainly better before the fired Solich. Pelini too, I guess, although I thought that he was all that Nebraska prided itself on not being.
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One program we oft note that has never faded for more than 2-3 years is OSU of course, it's remarkable. Others have had mediocre spells, and some recovered (Bama).
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Recruiting is important, or so I hear.
Important, but not sufficient. If recruiting were all that matters, Texas would have captured a string of Big 12 championships.
And it's the same thing with financial resources and facilities.
Leadership is critical. If you have a strong president and a strong A.D. who are committed to a strong football program, and you've got the resources, and you've got recruiting, then many good things are possible.
Great leadership hires--and supports--great coaching.
I would guess that leadership has been part of Nebraska's problem.
If boosters have the power--as it is often said that they do at UT--then good things are difficult.
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One program we oft note that has never faded for more than 2-3 years is OSU of course, it's remarkable. Others have had mediocre spells, and some recovered (Bama).
Recruiting: check! TOSU is in the heart of a fertile recruiting ground and has a great national brand as well.
Facilities: as far as i know, check!
Financial resources: check!
Leadership: I assume, check!
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Ohio is a populous state with good HS football and only one flagship University.
Penn State is in a similar state in football though there is Pitt now. Illinois could be good I think.
UGA's recruiting has obviously benefitted from population growth and more money in HS sports, though it has near neighbors who also recruit well.
Tech is kind of an afterthought today.
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Important, but not sufficient. If recruiting were all that matters, Texas would have captured a string of Big 12 championships.
And it's the same thing with financial resources and facilities.
Leadership is critical. If you have a strong president and a strong A.D. who are committed to a strong football program, and you've got the resources, and you've got recruiting, then many good things are possible.
Great leadership hires--and supports--great coaching.
I would guess that leadership has been part of Nebraska's problem.
If boosters have the power--as it is often said that they do at UT--then good things are difficult.
This is such an oddly and often repeated idea.
Mack Brown got comfortable and fat and lost his edge, and then Texas hired a string of bad coaches. It's pretty simple.
I suppose the argument could be made that the boosters influenced the hiring of that string of bad coaches, but most people thought Charlie Strong would be a good coach at Texas, and a lot of folks thought Tom Herman would, too-- Texas had to outbid LSU to get Herman on campus, so it's not like Texas was going out on a limb and hiring an undesirable from out of nowhere.
I don't have much hope for Sarkisian, but it wasn't the boosters that selected him, it was the university president.
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I'm sure Big Boosters have a lot of influence, but my GUESS is it's more often related to firing than hiring. It's easier to want to fire the HC without worrying about who should come in, at least in many cases.
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At least LSU got a NC from Ogeron before they had to can him. That whole episode seems so strange to me, going from winning the CFP to being fired in two years.
Do you think LSU is trending more like tOSU where they can win different NC's under different coaches? LSU has done it with three different coaches in 20 years.
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At least LSU got a NC from Ogeron before they had to can him. That whole episode seems so strange to me, going from winning the CFP to being fired in two years.
Do you think LSU is trending more like tOSU where they can win different NC's under different coaches? LSU has done it with three different coaches in 20 years.
LSU's NCs are definitely weird.
I feel like the 2019 team was good despite the head coach-- just a great assemblage of talent that all gelled at exactly the right time.
And then that 2-loss Les Miles team is usually considered among the worst NC teams of the BCS/CFP era. Les Miles wasn't a bad coach, he actually had a decent record at oSu, and a good record at LSU too-- until he didn't. But 2007 was just a flukey year in a lot of ways, and LSU benefitted from it.
I don't even recall much about the Nick Saban LSU national championship team. But Saban has certainly proved himself over time, so that one probably makes the most sense of these three.
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This (boosters having the power at UT) is such an oddly and often repeated idea.
Mack Brown got comfortable and fat and lost his edge, and then Texas hired a string of bad coaches. It's pretty simple.
I suppose the argument could be made that the boosters influenced the hiring of that string of bad coaches, but most people thought Charlie Strong would be a good coach at Texas, and a lot of folks thought Tom Herman would, too-- Texas had to outbid LSU to get Herman on campus, so it's not like Texas was going out on a limb and hiring an undesirable from out of nowhere.
I don't have much hope for Sarkisian, but it wasn't the boosters that selected him, it was the university president.
Yes, it is odd and often repeated.
Back in the "Before Times," when there were a number of Texas posters--Hooky, Burnt, and Erin come right to mind, but there were others--on the old board, there was periodic discussion of the disappointments of being a UT fan. The "Austin malaise" was discussed. And so were the "PTBs"--the powers that be. I always took that to mean the boosters.
Amongst OU fans and homer mediots, there was some commentary on the announcement that the UT starting QB was going to be Quinn Ewers rather than Hudson Card. Why was it the UT SID rather than Sarkesian who made the announcement, and why did he make it at the very end of a press conference as the mediots were practically putting their laptops away? The theory--and comments from Texas message boards were cited in support--was that it wasn't Sarkesian's decision to make, or that Sarkesian had decided to start Card and the boosters wanted it to be Ewers. For NIL purposes or something.
It seems that, when Charlie Strong was hired, there was some semi-public grumbling from big donors.
And Tom Herman seemed to be caught on the Horns of a dilemma during the "Eyes of Texas" controversy--whether to satisfy his players or satisfy the donors.
Anyway, as you say, the idea that the boosters have an excessive and damaging influence on the Texas Longhorn football program is longstanding. Is it possible that they don't have much say on hirings but have significant influence on firings?
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I believe it really doesn't matter which one is QB. They're both well trained, adequately skilled players. The choice of Ewers or Card wasn't going to make or break the season.
That distinction is left for the Left Tackle. Texas has sufficient weapons to run a dangerous offense, provided the OL lets it happen. With a pocket, either QB can give Bijan the ball or sling it. Without that time, neither will work.
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Card was disappointing last season. It was widely accepted that Ewers was coming in as the heir apparent.
So I think all the internet message board hubbub about his being selected is kind of silly. That's been the presumed outcome for the past 9 months.
The "controversy" sounds an awful lot like deliberate pot-stirring from people who have a vested interest in seeing Texas fail. And potentially some wishful thinking on their part, as well.
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Anyway, as you say, the idea that the boosters have an excessive and damaging influence on the Texas Longhorn football program is longstanding.
It's longstanding message board drivel from rivals. But yeah, sure, it should totally be taken seriously.
The Austin Malaise is pretty much the opposite. Not enough direction or guidance, too much leeway, too much coddling, too much fun.
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Our LSU buddy has told me Orgeron had "other issues" that angered boosters greatly. I don't know if it involved a motorcycle or not.
It's just a lot easier to fire a HC than replace him with someone better. I think boosters at UGA did want Kirby Smart a lot, and had some influence on firing Richt because Smart was in the wings. Tennessee has gone through however many HCs now and maybe the FNG is The Guy, but they've thought that before. Mullen at UF of course was dumped due to a really bad season and his lack of focus on recruiting. They don't tolerate mediocrity down there.
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Card was disappointing last season. It was widely accepted that Ewers was coming in as the heir apparent.
So I think all the internet message board hubbub about his being selected is kind of silly. That's been the presumed outcome for the past 9 months.
The "controversy" sounds an awful lot like deliberate pot-stirring from people who have a vested interest in seeing Texas fail. And potentially some wishful thinking on their part, as well.
So, it's just a case of hiring the wrong coach three times in a row? Six times out of the last seven?
Then, does that not get back to the "Leadership" factor?
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not all best decisions possible at the time work out
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I think hiring the HC is such a crap shoot that even competent leadership can mess up several times in a row. We've seen this at a number of prestigious programs of late (including USC if "Muleshoe" is a bust). Finding a GOOD HC is the more rare thing, I think.
Ryan Day is doing well, but I might argue he's in a System that is elite. Fickell has impressed me a lot, he did poorly at Ohio State. Would Kirby Smart be an elite coach at Kentucky? Arkansas and Kentucky look "real" to me, programs that can sustain 9-10 win seasons back to back to back. Not many near current coaches have really impressed me with being heads and shoulders above.
A handful look to me to be very solid capable coaches, not quite elite, to me, yet.
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So, it's just a case of hiring the wrong coach three times in a row? Six times out of the last seven?
Well, yeah. Sooners hired Gibbs, Schenlly, and Blake. The ags hired Franchione, Sherman, Sumlin, and Fisher. Alabama hired Dubose, Franchione, Price, and Shula.
Bad Leadership in all those cases? Or bad luck? Was anyone TRYING to hire bad coaches?
You're a smart guy but you never fail to crack me up when you go into neanderthal Sooner-mode. It's like the very mention of Texas makes you shut down your brain.
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The very mention of Texas makes my brain shut down too.... woof.
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The very mention of Texas makes my brain shut down too.... woof.
Neanderthal. ;)
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now, leadership at the top of the program can make or break a coach
Devaney stuck with Osborne until he finally won something, most wouldn't have
Steve Peterson dropped Solich like he was hot, w/o a better option waiting for the job
Shawn Eichorst obviously couldn't handle Bo Pelini
and worse yet, Shawn was dumb enough to hire Mike Riley
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now, leadership at the top of the program can make or break a coach
Devaney stuck with Osborne until he finally won something, most wouldn't have
Steve Peterson dropped Solich like he was hot, w/o a better option waiting for the job
Shawn Eichorst obviously couldn't handle Bo Pelini
and worse yet, Shawn was dumb enough to hire Mike Riley
People at most programs are less patient than they were 30,40, 50 years ago. Would Devaney have been allowed by the rest of the people involved in the program to make that same decision about Osborne, in the 2010s? How long before HIS job would have been on the line?
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Texas is one of few "blue bloods" with which UGA has a losing record, well, it's not that few, Bama of course, and Nebraska.
There aren't that many contests of course, mostly bowl games, only one with OU (which we won in convincing style).
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Texas is one of few "blue bloods" with which UGA has a losing record,
apparently you'll get a chance to resolve that in a few seasons
how many games are the Dawgs down?
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apparently you'll get a chance to resolve that in a few seasons
how many games are the Dawgs down?
They might have had a better shot to get some wins over Texas if we WEREN'T joining the SEC, since we had a home-and-home scheduled in a few years, that will now need to be canceled. I have no idea how often we'll play them in conference play. Probably not a lot.
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apparently you'll get a chance to resolve that in a few seasons
how many games are the Dawgs down?
not as many as Nebraska
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had a late run of cursed luck
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Well, yeah. Sooners hired Gibbs, Schenlly, and Blake. The ags hired Franchione, Sherman, Sumlin, and Fisher. Alabama hired Dubose, Franchione, Price, and Shula.
Bad Leadership in all those cases? Or bad luck? Was anyone TRYING to hire bad coaches?
You're a smart guy but you never fail to crack me up when you go into neanderthal Sooner-mode. It's like the very mention of Texas makes you shut down your brain.
Hah!
Gibbs was a mediocre hire; Schnelly and Blake were terrible ones. Bad leadership was definitely in play at OU at the time. the A.D. position was a revolving door and the two presidents involved were not focused on football. David Boren came on a year before the Blake hire, but he did not intervene to prevent it, as he might have done a year or two later. Then, President Boren and A.D. Castiglione were effective and consistent supporters of the football program for the entire time of Bob Stoops' time as OU HFC.
Nobody tries to hire bad coaches.
Texas radio mediots ask some of the same questions I've asked. I've heard clips of them played on Oklahoma sports.
Maybe the very mention of Texas makes their brains shut down too.
Nebraska's fall is more understandable. Recruiting has been a problem since they lost connections with State of Texas recruits. And, I would say, they've had bad leadership.
But Texas has a lot more money than Nebraska does, has 3 of the largest 10 cities (a.k.a. media markets) in the USA, has the Great State of Texas from which to recruit, as well as a bigger national brand. And, yet, Texas over the last 10-12 years is effectively Nebraska. It's a situation that makes people wonder what is going on.
After all that, it's fine with me if it continues.
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Texas is one of few "blue bloods" with which UGA has a losing record, well, it's not that few, Bama of course, and Nebraska.
silly question, but if you want to watch a rerun of the last game played between the Dawgs and Huskers, it's gonna be on the Big Ten Network in less than an hour
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Local Austin radio does everything it can to stir the pot. They intentionally attempt to drive controversy. It's their business model.
I get it that places like Norman and Tuscaloosa are a lot more protective of their programs, but that's not true of the Austin mediots at all. It never has been. Heck the local sports writer for the Austin fishwrap had a Heisman vote, and he gave it to Reggie Bush, not Vince Young. They're contrarian assholes, A lot like you, sometimes.
Your mindless drivel comes directly from rival internet message boards. Do you really think that's a source that's likely to apply critical thinking to any subject related to Texas football?
Anyway, Texas football will continue to shoot itself in the dick, or not, regardless of what you think or say on the matter. So there it is.
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If my drivel gets under your skin, it's not mindless. :)
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If my drivel gets under your skin, it's not mindless. :)
Ah, so you are just an asshole then.
At least you own it, I guess.
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Sad.
I'll refrain from name-calling, as you will always get the final word anyway.
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Actions speak louder than words, anyway. Don't start no shit, won't be no shit. And you can't help yourself-- ever-- from starting shit.
Like I said, when it comes to the subject of Texas, you shut off your brain completely. I don't know why. But it's an enduring trait of yours.
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Anyway, biggest game of week 0 coming up with Northwestern playing Nebraska in Ireland. I'm interested to see how Thompson does for the Huskers. I thought he did a decent job at Texas and didn't have a lot to work with. He was classy and I hope he does well in Lincoln.
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I'm obviously also interested in Thompson
he just has to make fewer mistakes than Martinez
and I feel the same way about Martinez in Manhattan, he did a decent job with not much to work with. Classy good kid. I wish him well.
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Well, yeah. Sooners hired Gibbs, Schenlly, and Blake. The ags hired Franchione, Sherman, Sumlin, and Fisher. Alabama hired Dubose, Franchione, Price, and Shula.
Bad Leadership in all those cases? Or bad luck? Was anyone TRYING to hire bad coaches?
You're a smart guy but you never fail to crack me up when you go into neanderthal Sooner-mode. It's like the very mention of Texas makes you shut down your brain.
Interesting that you listed Fisher on that list of failures. I get it, he really hasn’t proved much, but it seems kinda early to link him with the likes of Sherman and Franchione. Fran was absolutely horrible. Sherman was decent at times and horrible at others.
I know A&M wasn’t very memorable under Sherman but he seemed to be a very decent person who was highly thought of. Came close to winning the Big 12 south in 2010 except that he was blind to the fact that our star QB had some kind of lingering injury and simply was not the same passer. Once he started Tannehill ( still an NFL starter to this day ) we played much better beating OU and Texas to close the season but OU won based on tie breaker rules and the stupid BCS point system. I still can’t make h/t of 2011, we gave away so many late lead games it is just crazy. He could not adapt to the college game.
Sumlin really wasn’t that bad, he did really well with Sherman’s recruits. I still don’t know wtf happened to the whole Kyler / Kyle Allen situation. I’d bet his 5 year record is on par with Fishers. That whole UCLA debacle on top of a few years of 8-4 doomed him.
That 2020 Fisher team was really good. It’s a shame that we were left out of the playoff, but when you’re a non-helmet it’s hard to get over that hump. A little bit of luck here or there and it could have been similar to the 2 loss LSU team from 2007.
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I have my own opinion on Fisher but folks certainly have differing views. For obvious reasons I follow A&M more closely than any program other than Texas.
Heck, I've even been to an Ag home game more recently than a Horn home game.
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I’d be interested in your opinion.
Mine is that A&M is a very tough place to win big. We have the potential, but for various reasons always seem to come up just short.
Fisher has been recruiting very well, but we have not had the QB required to get us there. I. Hopeful that we can take the next step, challenge Bama for the SEC-W. Maybe play close, have a 10 or 11 win season, and a nice bowl win.
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I’d be interested in your opinion.
You basically nailed my opinion, when you pointed out that Sumlin did about as well as Fisher is doing. I agree with that. By some metrics, Sumlin did better than Fisher has, over the same time period.
And Sumlin wasn't terrible and Fisher isn't terrible, but the ags went all-in and locked him into a very long, very expensive, fully guaranteed contract with no buyout clauses. I really don't see Fisher as ever being anything more, than he is now.
Just my opinion of course.
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A team can hit lightning of course, win every close game by a smidge almost by chance and get to the Dance ... but there if they aren't competitive, well, ask ND.
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Was Notre Dame undefeated when they made it in? I don't even remember now.
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College Football Playoff History - College Football Playoff (https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/5/22/history.aspx)
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TL; DR
:)
I don't really care enough about it to bother reading through a bunch of stuff to figure it out.
I've only watched a handful of the semifinal games and I haven't watched a single CFP final since they went to this format. Seems like they put the final game on a weeknight, like a week after the bowl games? At that point I'm back to work after Christmas break and I'm not even thinking about college football anymore.
I'm sure I'd watch if Texas ever made it into the CFP. Maybe that'll happen someday.
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ND made the CFP twice after undefeated regular seasons, but lost to Clemson in the ACC CG and still made it, only to get hammered by Bama.
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As I recall, last year the regular-season Michigan-Ohio State game did about the same number of viewers as the CFP semifinals, somewhere around 15M-16M viewers. That's something else.
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so UCLA and USC were added for the same reason as Rutgers - TV market, not viewer numbers
although, I'm sure those two will draw more eyeballs went playing the top Big Ten programs
gotta remember this is an average
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Yeah BTN will immediately increase revenue due to carriage in the LA area.
Although I anticipate more push-back on BTN forced carriage now, than was experienced ten years ago, as carriers watch the cable subscriber model dying off.
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it just keeps dying and dying and dying
many thought it would be gone years ago, but it seems to be able to survive for many more years
heck even streaming services bundle content (forced carry)
the FCC doesn't seem interested in ala carte at this point
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Speaking of which, it's about time for my yearly month of Sling.
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There are still a lot of old people that have no clue how to manage anything other than a cable box. But they're dying off too.
Cord-cutting and old folks dying is costing the cable companies millions of subscribers per year, and that's only going to increase, not decrease, over time.
And I have a LOT more choice on my bundled streaming than I ever did on bundled cable. If I didn't, I'd drop that, too.
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COVID obviously took a toll on old folks
I need to look into streaming services now that I don't work for the CATV provider and get everything for fee
shit is expensive
maybe sling is for me
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There are still a lot of old people that have no clue how to manage anything other than a cable box. But they're dying off too.
Cord-cutting and old folks dying is costing the cable companies millions of subscribers per year, and that's only going to increase, not decrease, over time.
And I have a LOT more choice on my bundled streaming than I ever did on bundled cable. If I didn't, I'd drop that, too.
Hey I do the best that I can
I even use roku and everything
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I really like the Roku interface. I like it better than AppleTV or Firestick.
I currently have the Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ bundle and I use the "streaming package" from Spectrum. So I'm about a half-cord cutter.
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I had to get Fubo TV so I could watch the Astros as Dish doesnt carry them
its $60 / mo and I split that with my 2 children who are also Astro fans
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I got my daughter the Roku cause the nerds I worked with said it was the best
my daughter confirmed that it is indeed the best
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Was using the Amazon Fire Cube to run my streaming apps. Replaced "cable" with YouTubeTV. It gets just about everything I want to see.
OK, I have to pirate the Stars games because (a) the NHL has stupid blackout rules and (b) fsck Bally's and Sinclair in their earhole with a rusty spoon.
Of course, nobody has LHN. For the two games per year that I care, I'll grab a Sling subscription for a month.
Well, the other day, I splurged and upgraded the TV. Probably don't need the Amazon doohicky any more.
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Spectrum has LHN on the basic sports tier. If you get ESPN/2, you get LHN.
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in your neighborhood
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Ive seen LHN on Dish from day 1
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in your neighborhood
If by "my neighborhood" you mean "all of Texas" then sure.
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I used to have it back up North when we had Xfinity, but now with Hulu we do not get it. Get BTN and all the rest of the stuff we need to watch what we want to see.
Peacock will be a different story, but hopefully that will become the Rutgers and Maryland Network... Cuz nobody watches those teams.
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I don't have BTN down here, on any of my normal services. I think I could pay extra to get it maybe. Which obviously isn't going to happen.
As droog said, you can get LHN on Sling if you do the streaming thing.
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It'll be irrelevant in the next couple of years, anyway. LHN will get absorbed back into ESPN/SECN, and that chapter of history will be over.
Sadly, I think it probably means we won't get as much live coverage of UT baseball and volleyball, which is what I really love about LHN. Competing in the same time slots with 15 other schools, is going to take its toll.
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BTN has done a really good job with the Olympic sports coverage. It was rare for us to not be able to watch a volleyball match. Is there baseball in college?
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BTN has done a really good job with the Olympic sports coverage. It was rare for us to not be able to watch a volleyball match. Is there baseball in college?
If 14 B1G teams are all playing volleyball against OOC opponents on the same basic schedule (roughly the same few days, and same time of day, since windows are limited for student athletes), how do they cover all of it live?
And of course there's baseball in college. It's the only level of baseball that matters.
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BTN always has 3-4 overflow channels on at a time, so when there are multiple games, they use those channels.
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BTN always has 3-4 overflow channels on at a time, so when there are multiple games, they use those channels.
Ah okay, cool. Didn't know that. Seeing as I've never actually seen BTN and all. :)
Hopefully SECN does something similar. I've never seen that, either.
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Most of the Texas sports not sucked up by LHN land on ESPN+. If you've got Disney+ and/or Hulu, it becomes a cheap add on to that. Once LHN is obviated, that's where I'd expect most of that content to land.
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Most of the Texas sports not sucked up by LHN land on ESPN+. If you've got Disney+ and/or Hulu, it becomes a cheap add on to that. Once LHN is obviated, that's where I'd expect most of that content to land.
Yeah I've got the Disney+/ESPN+/Hulu package. It's a bargain.
But once Texas moves to the SEC, do you think the content will end up on ESPN+, or on SECN? Or is that basically the same thing?
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Yeah I've got the Disney+/ESPN+/Hulu package. It's a bargain.
But once Texas moves to the SEC, do you think the content will end up on ESPN+, or on SECN? Or is that basically the same thing?
It seems like the LHN was more contentious as far as carriage went than the "league" networks like BTN or SECN. If something is on LHN, it appears on the ESPN app, but gets locked out if you're not logged in via an approved provider. The other networks landed easy carriage deals with a variety of providers.
Really, once they're free of the "lessons learned", I expect that something like the LHN won't be repeated. Whomever carries the SEC contract (likely ESPN in substance) will probably have the 3rd tier available for streaming.
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It seems like the LHN was more contentious as far as carriage went than the "league" networks like BTN or SECN. If something is on LHN, it appears on the ESPN app, but gets locked out if you're not logged in via an approved provider. The other networks landed easy carriage deals with a variety of providers.
Really, once they're free of the "lessons learned", I expect that something like the LHN won't be repeated. Whomever carries the SEC contract (likely ESPN in substance) will probably have the 3rd tier available for streaming.
Oh I agree with most of the above, just wondering why UT Tier3 stuff would be on ESPN+ rather than the SECN, once UT is in the SEC and the LHN is gone?
I'd think that once the LHN is absorbed into ESPN, that UT would be the same as any other SEC school and have the various Olympic/non-revenue sports shown on the SECN when they're not on ABC or ESPN.
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well, ESPN and the SEC Network will be working closely together
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well, ESPN and the SEC Network will be working closely together
For sure.
Having no experience with SECN, I'm not sure how they utilize it. Does it also have "overflow" channels like badger said about BTN? If so, what delineates between that content, and what ends up on ESPN+?
I guess there's a brave new world of channel media rights broadcasting that I'm about to discover for myself.
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I've watched some SECN but have not seen overflow channels.
They are going to need them.
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Oh I agree with most of the above, just wondering why UT Tier3 stuff would be on ESPN+ rather than the SECN, once UT is in the SEC and the LHN is gone?
I'd think that once the LHN is absorbed into ESPN, that UT would be the same as any other SEC school and have the various Olympic/non-revenue sports shown on the SECN when they're not on ABC or ESPN.
Well, a less-than-interesting football game would probably land on SECN. The volleyball and beisbol will likely find homes on ESPN+ just out of sheer volume.
Really, in the last 2 or 3 years, the LHN just sort of existed as a rescheduled ESPN+ channel anyhow. I think they were trying to honor very old agreements that were signed right before we all decided cable was stupid.
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I've seen them use ESPNNews and ESPNU for some overflow stuff too.
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I've seen them use ESPNNews and ESPNU for some overflow stuff too.
True, true.
The truth is Texas will be on ABC and ESPN most weeks, but I guess I'll eventually have to figure out how to watch any games that might slip to SECN or something else.
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I doubt UT slips down past SECN. Too many eyeballs available to simply bury them on a lower tier.
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I think there is an SEC Network overflow channel, but it kinda slips in and out of the other channels. I don't think it has a dedicated channel.
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I think there is an SEC Network overflow channel, but it kinda slips in and out of the other channels. I don't think it has a dedicated channel.
Was hoping you'd chime in and educate me in the ways of SEC television. Thanks!
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In football news, Stewart Mandel's picks for the B12 team records are... somewhat controversial?
(https://i.imgur.com/RBdtu37.png)
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In football news, Stewart Mandel's picks for the B12 team records are... somewhat controversial?
(https://i.imgur.com/RBdtu37.png)
I was about to post that this morning. I kinda regarded SM as a somewhat level headed media figure, but seriously this just seems like shit posting for clicks.
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I mean, if it's what he really believes, than he should post it.
I don't have a ton of faith in Sarkisian, but even I don't think he's 2-7/4-8 bad. I could certainly be wrong though.
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Ignoring the Texas question for now (they have to have one of the broadest "anything is possible" deltas of all time), these rankings have to assume grossly unproven, completely out of mode results for most of these programs.
Last season, the Big 12 wasn't good. There were a couple of teams at the top that were nationally competitive coming off COVID messed up seasons, but nothing that ever seriously threatened the contenders. Those teams lost multiple program defining pieces that enabled the style of play that won close games. These aren't programs that typically feature strong "next man up" pipelines.
ISU won't easily replace their TE or RB. oSu won't replace their DEs. Baylor won't replace their, well, most of their defense and their sledgehammer RB. Each of these teams will have to rethink their style of play. There's no cause to simply assume it will all work out.
We all like to believe in KSU, but that's largely unearned credibility left over from the previous staff. Chris Kleimann and company are skilled, but there's no call to think that KSU is anything but a tough out.
OU is replacing their entire team and staff. Why anyone thinks this will just work is beyond me. I don't expect them to stink, but this is never a good thing for any program anywhere.
You may just as well predict Kansas to build off the Texas win, believe in themselves, and battle WVU and the old Georgia QB for Big 12 supremacy.
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Ignoring the Texas question for now (they have to have one of the broadest "anything is possible" deltas of all time), these rankings have to assume grossly unproven, completely out of mode results for most of these programs.
Last season, the Big 12 wasn't good. There were a couple of teams at the top that were nationally competitive coming off COVID messed up seasons, but nothing that ever seriously threatened the contenders. Those teams lost multiple program defining pieces that enabled the style of play that won close games. These aren't programs that typically feature strong "next man up" pipelines.
ISU won't easily replace their TE or RB. oSu won't replace their DEs. Baylor won't replace their, well, most of their defense and their sledgehammer RB. Each of these teams will have to rethink their style of play. There's no cause to simply assume it will all work out.
We all like to believe in KSU, but that's largely unearned credibility left over from the previous staff. Chris Kleimann and company are skilled, but there's no call to think that KSU is anything but a tough out.
OU is replacing their entire team and staff. Why anyone thinks this will just work is beyond me. I don't expect them to stink, but this is never a good thing for any program anywhere.
You may just as well predict Kansas to build off the Texas win, believe in themselves, and battle WVU and the old Georgia QB for Big 12 supremacy.
Yeah.
Or maybe Texas gels, takes advantage of all of these other disadvantaged programs, and wins the B12!
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Stewart Mandel used to be solid, but has gone off the deep end. Maybe living in SoCal has made him crazy.
OU would have to lose every losable game to go 5-4/7-5. Possible, but unlikely. I'll be very surprised if OU looks like a team that just lost all its coaches and all its players. 3 coaches (4 until the forced resignation of Cale Gundy) are holdovers. Over 50% of the players are holdovers.
Sark might (or might not) be a bad head coach, but I can't see Texas having a worse season than last year.
What makes Kansas State look like a 7-2/10-2 team? I would guess that they'll be closer to 5-4/7-5, with an OOC loss to Missouri.
I think Mandel is pretty close with his oSu and Baylor predictions.
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These sports prognosticators have it tough, if they "predict" the usual stuff, they get critized for being predictable. If they predict off the wall stuff, well, ...
I think folks here know it's for fun and means nearly nothing, unless one of them us unusually prescient, which I've never seen. Nebraska could reverse their TO margins of late and win the close ones and be 9-3 reasonably well, and UCLA has a shot at 10-2.
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they could all be saved for the end of the season and the guy closest to correct wins something - a trophy
the guy furthest from correct is banned from a prediction next season
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Yeah.
Or maybe Texas gels, takes advantage of all of these other disadvantaged programs, and wins the B12!
There's just too much uncertain (largely the OL) for me to delve into Texas. If I had to pick, I'd like Kelvin Banks to be our answer at LT (yeah, as a true freshman - right!) and JT Sanders to play TE like DThomas and JMike. If that happens, the offense will score. Otherwise, no QB will work.
I still need an Edge Rusher to emerge. I can't even verbalize that one right now.
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Personally I see Baylor and oSu being the top teams, same as last year. Too much uncertainty with OU/Texas. It's kinda like the weather....when you just get into the same old patterns day after day and week after week. Something has to bust us out of those patterns, much like CFB. And right now I think BU/OSU have got more in the tank than OU/Tex. I do think that OU lost their edge after Riley decided to bolt, whether the team knew it or not. But something was definitely amiss.
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hah, in a couple of years, WVU will be the cream of the crop
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Horns have got a couple hundred wins on 'em, so it'll take more than a couple years...
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I was amazed at what Baylor did last year. Usually, a "wide zone" offense in college leads to starry eyed RBs trotting out of bounds behind their OL - ignoring the 4 yard gains while trying to find the touchdown gap. Baylor's sledgehammer RB, Abram Smith, had no such problems as he loved smashing those tough yards out. Baylor would waste time, bash for first downs, waste more time, and get a few point here and there. That was perfect because they had 4 or 5 really good defenders that could keep the games close. By shortening the game and limiting possessions, they gave themselves a shot.
Baylor lost all those defenders. There's no reason to believe new guys are just going to suddenly play to that level. Offensively, they lost that RB. Something new is going to have to show up. Their QB has like 3 games of actual experience, and the receivers have like zero actual catches.
Jeff Grimes (Baylor's OC) did a wonderful job of matching players to his scheme last season. It was just coincidentally exactly what he ran at BYU. The question, then, is Grimes a brilliant OC that can tailor his offense, or did he just happen to get the right players for what he knows?
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I wouldn't mind seeing Aranda at Texas.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Aranda at Texas.
Give it a minute. Texas has fantastic coaches. The kids know it. The high schoolers know it. I hate the fact that Texas is so young right now, but this is absolutely a promising trajectory.
Dave Aranda might be a wonderful coach as well. He benefited from a ton of external factors last season, however. Tom Herman exceeded the mean during his 2nd season as well.
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Horns have got a couple hundred wins on 'em, so it'll take more than a couple years...
in a couple years the Horns won't be in the 12
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Ha!
Sadly we aren't going to be the team to break his sterling, undefeated 2-0 record. A decade or so ago when this was scheduled, I was excited about it. Now... ugh.
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Ha!
Sadly we aren't going to be the team to break his sterling, undefeated 2-0 record. A decade or so ago when this was scheduled, I was excited about it. Now... ugh.
never say never
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never say never
I'd say it's pretty much impossible, but I certainly won't be rooting AGAINST the Horns.
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I'd say it's pretty much impossible, but I certainly won't be rooting AGAINST the Horns.
the Horns are only a 15 pt dog so ya just never know
total points projected is 56
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What is the percentage chance a team wins the game based on the closing point spread? - Betting Talk (https://www.bettingtalk.com/win-probability-percentage-point-spread-nfl-nba/)
A 15 point dog in college wins about 1/8th of the time, which is perhaps more often than many think.
A 6 point dog wins a third of the time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x0fPZrPV3M
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ESPN
Predicting every college football Power 5 conference for the 2022 season
Big 12
Oklahoma (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/201/oklahoma-sooners) 10-2, 7-2
Baylor (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/239/baylor-bears) 9-3, 6-3
Oklahoma State (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/197/oklahoma-state-cowboys) 9-3, 6-3
Texas (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/251/texas-longhorns) 7-5, 5-4
Kansas State (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team?_slug_=kansas-state-wildcats&id=2306) 7-5, 5-4
Iowa State (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/66/iowa-state-cyclones) 6-6, 4-5
West Virginia (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/277/west-virginia-mountaineers) 6-6, 4-5
TCU (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2628/tcu-horned-frogs) 7-5, 4-5
Texas Tech (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2641/texas-tech-red-raiders) 5-7, 3-6
Kansas (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2305/kansas-jayhawks) 3-9, 1-8
Big 12 champion: Oklahoma
Offensive player of the year: Bijan Robinson (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4430807/bijan-robinson), RB, Texas
Defensive player of the year: Will McDonald IV (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4361767/will-mcdonald-iv), DL, Iowa State
Freshman of the year: Jordan Hudson (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4685409/jordan-hudson), WR, TCU
Impact transfer: Dillon Gabriel (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4427238/dillon-gabriel), QB, Oklahoma (UCF (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2116/ucf))
Coach of the year: Brent Venables, Oklahoma
Coach on the hot seat: Neal Brown, West Virginia
Coordinator who will be a head coach: Jeff Grimes, offensive coordinator, Baylor
Nonconference game of the year: TCU at SMU (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2567/smu-mustangs), Sept. 24
Conference game of the year: Baylor at Oklahoma, Nov. 5
Upset of the year: TCU over Oklahoma, Oct. 1
Three bold predictions for the Big 12
1. Texas goes bowling: The Longhorns were a big disappointment in coach Steve Sarkisian's first season in 2021, losing six games in a row en route to a 5-7 finish. Texas is still a year or two -- and an Arch Manning (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/242188/arch-manning)-led recruiting class -- from challenging for a conference title. It might be a struggle for Ohio State transfer Quinn Ewers (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4889929/quinn-ewers) playing behind a suspect offensive line. Texas will finish 7-5 after knocking off Baylor at home in the regular-season finale.
2. JT Daniels (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4374303/jt-daniels) will throw 30 touchdowns at West Virginia: Brown called Daniels "the smartest quarterback we've ever had." Daniels' football smarts and talent have never been questioned. The former five-star recruit won the starting job at USC (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/30/usc-trojans) and Georgia but couldn't stay healthy. He's at his third FBS school, and this is a last opportunity to prove he's more than another Tate Martell. Daniels will throw more than 30 touchdowns and have the Mountaineers in the hunt for a bowl game. By season's end, more than a few Georgia fans will still be questioning why coach Kirby Smart chose Stetson Bennett (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4259553/stetson-bennett) over Daniels.
3. Kansas State's Deuce Vaughn (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4431453/deuce-vaughn) will lead the Big 12 in rushing: Robinson, Texas' star running back, is the best NFL prospect in the league and a legitimate Heisman Trophy candidate. The only problem: Texas' offensive line is very young and might not be very good. The Longhorns lost guard Junior Angilau (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4362104/junior-angilau), a fifth-year senior with 34 career starts, to a season-ending knee injury in preseason camp. Vaughn ran for 1,404 yards with 468 receiving yards and 22 total touchdowns in 2021. He might put up even bigger numbers this season.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x0fPZrPV3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5e0yd40jCQ
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Imagine how good UGA would have been last year with Daniels starting at QB ...
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Zero-week games tomorrow.
Good luck to the Huskers in Dublin. Need to start the season on the right foot.
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thanks, we need some luck
Huskers are 14 point favs
I'm guessing Frost is MUCH more nervous than Saban
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their GPA's???
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All 4.0s in physics ...
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Scott Frost screwed the pooch with that inexplicable and poorly executed onside kick call. That seemed to take the air out the Huskers. All the momentum was with Northwestern after that.
If he's not already toast, he probably will be if he loses to OU.
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I think the Huskers main problem was the lack of a rushing threat
they were too one dimensional
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yup, no rushing on offense
no rushing the passer on defense
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I wouldn't say that the Huskers had the game in had when they scored to go up 28-17, but they led in all the good stats, and an 11-point lead 6 minutes into the 3rd quarter is not to be sneezed at.
That onside kick was the critical event of the game. Nebraska basically did nothing after that.
I think that it killed a psychologically fragile team. That team is used to losing, and is especially used to losing close games late. After that failed kick, they "knew" that they were on their way to losing another one, even though they still had an 11-point lead.
Just my opinion, of course.
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sure as "F" didn't help the cause
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Onside kicks when you are ahead are problematic. I remember the 2006 OU-Texas A&M game in College Station. OU got out to a 10-0 lead after two possessions and seemed to have the momentum to carry on to an easy win. But Bob Stoops elected to try an onside kick and it failed. The Aggies were rejuvenated and drove to make it 10-7. The game shifted immediately into a low-scoring dogfight. OU had to convert a 4th-down play late in the game to hold on for a 17-16 win.
My esposita and I will be in Lincoln in three weeks. Hope we can link up with you after the game.
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I'll be available post-game
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Onside kicks when you are ahead are problematic. I remember the 2006 OU-Texas A&M game in College Station. OU got out to a 10-0 lead after two possessions and seemed to have the momentum to carry on to an easy win. But Bob Stoops elected to try an onside kick and it failed. The Aggies were rejuvenated and drove to make it 10-7. The game shifted immediately into a low-scoring dogfight. OU had to convert a 4th-down play late in the game to hold on for a 17-16 win.
My esposita and I will be in Lincoln in three weeks. Hope we can link up with you after the game.
Is that the game where Fran elected not to run the highly successful short yardage king Jorvorskie Lane on 3rd and 4th and goal? God I hated that guy.
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Haynes King named the starter over Max Johnson and Weigman. Hopefully he can stay healthy this year.
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Haynes King named the starter over Max Johnson and Weigman. Hopefully he can stay healthy this year.
This was pretty much expected, I think. He's a relatively known quantity, he's mobile, and the o-line is a little suspect IMO. He's the "safe" choice but if he struggles I'd expect Fisher will be ready with the substitutions.
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Is that the game where Fran elected not to run the highly successful short yardage king Jorvorskie Lane on 3rd and 4th and goal? God I hated that guy.
Might well have been.
Walking out of Kyle Field, lots of Aggie fans were telling us that they wished they had our coach.
Stoops had successfully called for a 4th-down play at about our own 30 late in the game.
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That 2006 team was decent. Things could have been way different for Franchione had a few games turned out slightly different.
Lost by a few to Tech. As I recall the Raiders threw a GW TD as time expired. When Leach walked off the field he told the sideline reporter “ sometimes a pirate beats a soldier”.
Lost by 1 pt to both OU and Neb. Beat Texas and I think knocked them out of the CCG and got OU in.
Got stomped by Cal and Marshawn Lynch.
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Ags like to talk about Texas getting all the calls. That 2006 game is one where I'm still in disbelief at what the ags got away with. So it goes, I guess.
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Ags like to talk about Texas getting all the calls. That 2006 game is one where I'm still in disbelief at what the ags got away with. So it goes, I guess.
That’s an easy one. OU owns the refs, even when they’re not playing.
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That’s an easy one. OU owns the refs, even when they’re not playing.
It must be the case that every team gets screwed by the refs more than its opponents do.
That's what all the fans think, anyway.
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wait til you switch conferences
oh wait.....
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Week 0 is done, now on to Week1. Cupcake city, baby.
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I wouldn't say that the Huskers had the game in had when they scored to go up 28-17, but they led in all the good stats, and an 11-point lead 6 minutes into the 3rd quarter is not to be sneezed at.
That onside kick was the critical event of the game. Nebraska basically did nothing after that.
I think that it killed a psychologically fragile team. That team is used to losing, and is especially used to losing close games late. After that failed kick, they "knew" that they were on their way to losing another one, even though they still had an 11-point lead.
Just my opinion, of course.
i thought the neb qb got exposed once he got off the opening script.
& that d - 500 yards of offense surrendered to a south car castoff qb & very meh skill talent.
neb didn't run it very well either.
the onside kick was possibly the dumbest coaching decision i have ever seen but i'm not convinced they don't lose the game anyway. not to mention the most predictable outcome - pat fitzerald is a wonderful coach. of course his no-talent, high iq, dentist in training playing special teams was in perfect position lol'g as he calmly scooped that ball up.
one bad team beat another in a game i'd never watch if it weren't stand alone week 0 but it was entertaining.
frost comes off as arrogant & stupid, a devastating combination.
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frost comes off as arrogant & stupid, a devastating combination.
That was Tom Herman's thing, too. Despite some decent seasons, it's ultimately what got him fired.
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Coachspeak is your friend.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IddP8AAIGTQ
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. . . frost comes off as arrogant & stupid, a devastating combination.
I heard a national radio guy say that the most damning thing about that was not Frost calling for the onside kick but that no assistant coach spoke up to suggest that it would be unwise.
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all the assistant coaches are also desperate for a win
and they were all aware of how the defense was not playing
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Then, is the failure to make good halftime adjustments a better culprit then the onside kick?
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hard to tell, behind at the half by 3, behind at the end of the game by 3.
Held 11 point leads in both halves
Northwestern scored the last two TDs in each half
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On Thursday’s edition of a new video podcast, Urban’s Takes with Tim May, the legendary head coach addressed several different topics, including what he thought about Frost’s decision to kick an onside kick while his team was up 28-17 on the Northwestern Wildcats and made it very clear that Meyer does not believe that call was the reason the Huskers lost the game.
The segment in question was started by his co-host, Tim May talking about the decision and making it clear that he didn’t agree with it. In doing so, May made several of the same comments that Cornhuskers fans worldwide have been making for about a week. The onside kick put the Huskers’ defense under the gun. He added that it killed momentum for a team that needed it.
However, when Meyer began opining on the issue, he made it clear quickly that he had a different take. While he started admitting that Frost is “struggling,” he added that he’s got a proven track record when taking a struggling program in UCF and taking them to what the Golden Knights faithful consider a national championship.
“I’ve known him a long time, he’s a national champion as a player, I mean the guy’s a tough guy. I sat in meetings with him and he’s a very smart guy. I’ve never been one of those guys that questions a head coach because I’ve sat there.”
After laying out his opening statement, Meyer then went into detail about why he doesn’t find fault with the Nebraska football head coach’s choice despite being up 28-17.
The former Ohio State head coach then laid out then on his playsheet, there were three situations that might call for “risk” at the level of an onside kick. The first was “to win a game.” The second situation would be to “get back into a game.”
The ex-Jacksonville Jaguars coach pointed to a fake punt that he ran in a 2016 game when he was trying to get back into a contest. He also pointed out that the fake punt he tried back then did not work.
The third and final reason that Meyer said he would take a risk like an onside kick was what he called a “checkmate move.”
He then explained that he talked to his team every year about being in a prize fight in a boxing match, and they have their opponent on the ropes. That would be the time to take that swing and get the knockout or the “checkmate.”
This certainly falls in line with what the Nebraska football head coach said after the game about “being aggressive,” and it definitely underlines that not everybody thought the onside kick was such an egregious decision.
“The program is struggling, their single score games they’re not very good at, he saw an opportunity from video; and maybe I think I heard him say that earlier in the game he saw it and it wasn’t executed.”
Meyer then expanded on the idea that there was plenty of game left and that the defense could not stop Northwestern for most of the rest of the game. He added the offense stopped scoring as well.
It’s clear from Meyer’s words that he doesn’t think the onside kick should have been a backbreaker. Whether this is a coach who had already said he wouldn’t criticize coaches or wheat he really thought at the time is going to be up for debate.
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Well, there's that.
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I would swear that about 1997 A&M played KSU in Manhattan. We were middle ranked, and this was the beginning of the time that ksu was formidable. Despite getting our ass kicked on offense our defense kept us in the game. Seems like it was somewhere around the 3rd quarter ksu led by a TD or thereabouts. They went for and got the onsides kick. Caught us totally by surprise.
It’s always a gamble, in that case ksu was hanging to a slim lead. As I recall they went on to score and ended up winning 36-17.
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any call is a good call if it works
a call that doesn't work is a bad call, even if it's something simple like a QB sneak on 4th and one
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Yeah, Frost's call would be considered brilliant if it had succeeded.
But, after making the call, the play had to work. The kicker rolled it directly to a guy wearing #11, who figured to have some decent hands.
So, (arguably) a bold call, but terrible execution.
And Northwestern's ensuing short-field TD was the difference in the game.
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yup not a great call
Frost himself said if he had it over again he wouldn't make the same call
admitting it was a poor call
it's just that many are implying it was a horrible call and some think that bad call determined the outcome of the game
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Va Tech loses to Old Dominion. Ouch.
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yup not a great call
Frost himself said if he had it over again he wouldn't make the same call
admitting it was a poor call
it's just that many are implying it was a horrible call and some think that bad call determined the outcome of the game
I'll stick on this.
It was a high-risk, high-reward call.
Had it been successful, it would have been seen as a great call.
But it was unsuccessful, so most see it as a terrible call.
A lot of things determined the outcome of the game.
Earlier, there was a difficult but erroneous call that hurt Nebraska--a fumble ruling when the ball-carrier's knee had already touched the ground. That helped determine the outcome.
And the failed onside kicked helped determine it too.
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the fumble call on the 11 yard line probably had more to do with the outcome of the game
we'll never know...
most would think at least a sure 3 points from first and 10 at the 11, the way the offense was going at the time a TD seemed very likely, but of course they may have had a penalty or two or even a turnover
the fumble call was a bad call, but I can see where the video wasn't conclusive enough to over turn the call on the field
it was obviously conclusive enough for all Husker fans
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I thought that it was clear that his knee had been down before the ball came out, but I told my esposita that the zebras probably weren't going to overturn it.
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Good luck to everybody's teams.
WVU let one get away vs. Pitt the other night. That's a series that ought to be played more often.
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I thought that it was clear that his knee had been down before the ball came out, but I told my esposita that the zebras probably weren't going to overturn it.
Ed Zachery
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I graded OU as a "B" for today's 45-13 win over UTEP, and that might be generous. UTEP is no good. The Miners got crushed by UNT last week, and UNT got crushed by SMU today.
At least it wasn't like last year's opener, barely holding on to beat Tulane.
Texas stomped UL-Monroe.
TCU stomped Colorado.
Texas Tech stomped Murray State.
Utah sort of gave it away to Florida.
The Fighting Mack Browns of UNC stormed back from a 21-7 deficit to Appy State and won 63-61.
N.C. State beat ECU 21-20. I've seen N.C. State suggested as a NY6 team.
Nebraska beat North Dakota by a comfortable margin, thanks to a 14-0 4th quarter.
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ECU could well be better than usual, we don't know that. App State was favored over UNC.
The Pac took it on the chin basically.
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the PAC isn't much of a football conference
Nebraska would fit well there
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I dunno if they are THAT bad, but the Big Sky didn't want them ...
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Spent the day at the lake so didn't see any of the day games.
Horns were a little shaky early on but got into the groove. Ewers was somewhat uneven but he hasn't played a game in what, almost three years? Hopefully he can continue to shake off the rust and grow into the offense. As expected, Bijan and Worthy are really special players. Also got to see the emergence of a tight end at Texas for the first time in maybe a decade, hope that sticks.
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I spent the afternoon on the golf course
didn't watch the Huskers, didn't listen to the huskers on the radio, haven't yet seen a highlight of the game
I'm good
couple entertaining games last night
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I heard that Georgia beat a Pac-12 team too.
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AFLAC!
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Spent the day at the lake so didn't see any of the day games.
Horns were a little shaky early on but got into the groove. Ewers was somewhat uneven but he hasn't played a game in what, almost three years? Hopefully he can continue to shake off the rust and grow into the offense. As expected, Bijan and Worthy are really special players. Also got to see the emergence of a tight end at Texas for the first time in maybe a decade, hope that sticks.
Because it was a first game against a bad team its hard to really know if our defense has improved but at least nothing stood out as bad
I was not impressed with Ewers at all and if he doesnt improve he will be eaten alive when we face better teams
Im hoping it was just 1st game jitters
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I was at the OU-UTEP game. It was the hottest game I have ever attended. Inside the now-bowled-in Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, the temperature reached at least 110 degrees. Some sources say that it was more like 120.
By the 2nd half, any time you looked hard enough, you could see people being carried out on gurneys.
By the time we left, with 5:17 left to play, I had drunk 2 Coke Zeros and 3 bottles of water, and I still felt miserable. We drank more fluids on the drive home to Tulsa. I drank probably 48 more ounces of water once we got home, and I drank a lot of water yesterday too.
Today, I finally feel 100%. Or, at least, as close to 100% as I expect to get.
It should have been an 11:00 a.m. or 6:00 p.m. game.
TV drives the train, and a game scheduled for 2:30 on 3 September in Norman, Oklahoma, is a prime example of that.
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I'll arrange cooler weather for kickoff in Lincoln in a couple weeks
never fear
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Between that promise and the 11:00 start time, all should be well.
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A lot of Texas comes down to the fact that there's no time to think during a football game.
When the play went quickly, and Quinn didn't have time to question himself, he made brilliant throws. He intrinsically knows the right thing to do. Then, you got the plays where it was too good to be true. Typically, Xavier Worthy would beat his coverage cleanly. Quinn would see it, recognize it, but then he'd look again to verify. By the time he convinced himself, the ball was thrown very late and very long.
Keep in mind that ULM also kept 2 safeties deep to mitigate the deep shots.
Similarly, on defense, the LBs weren't thinking during the plays. They saw their gap and attacked them violently. Last season, they wanted to consider the issue, and by that time, it was too late. The old adage of a good plan violently executed now versus the perfect plan a week from now.
Freshmen did freshman things. The OL saw the stunts and loops that killed them last season, and properly passed them for the most part, but nothing succeeds like experience. Lots to clean up. A lot of good tape for practice.
My primary take away is the emergence of JT Sanders. He's the TE we've needed for over a decade. He changed the strength of the formation several times, occupied defenders, and of course calmly converted 3rd and 7's when the first two plays were off schedule.
On to Alabama. Texas doesn't get to play with house money often, but this is certainly a game they're supposed to lose. Yeah, my fandom is hoping for one of those outlier games that make CFB exciting, but that's not the way to bet. Use the game as a measuring stick and see how far you have to go.
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I'd really like to not get blown out by Alabama. That's about all I can realistically hope for.
Sure, "maybe we'll beat THEM by 3 TDs" is a thing that's been said and an upset that happened, but that was a veteran Texas team with a veteran quarterback and a veteran o-line that happened to have both Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes in the backfield. Bijan is a special player but he doesn't have all those other pieces around him, just yet.
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I believe Texas just about has Alabama talent at the starting positions right now.
We don't have Alabama's depth chart.
If we play our best, and they play their best, we lose by 2-3 TDs.
Critically, Alabama's team is battle tested. They know hostility. They get everyone's best shot. They're used to it. They won't break discipline and panic no matter what. If we earn a lead at any point, we have to keep playing because they won't quit.
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in other words....
You're DOOMED!!!
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No we only say that when everyone is incorrectly assuming Texas has zero chance. Ohio State "in the Shoe, AT NIGHT" in 2005, USC in 2006 Rose Bowl, Alabama in 2010 NC game.
This time, everyone predicting a lopsided Alabama win, is likely correct.
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Pat McAfee in Austin with College Gameday??
I had to google the guy
Wrassler? great
hope he's mildly entertaining
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I haven't watched Gameday in years but I'm always glad when they set up at a Texas game, since it only happens when we're playing a good opponent and we haven't lost yet.
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yup, I don't watch
but, it's nice to have them in town for the excitement
was hoping they might be in Lincoln for the Sooner game
but, the Huskers suck
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i haven't watched gameday in years. in spite of that i can hear tom rinaldi whispering in my ears as i type this.
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I don't mind Herbstreit, but the rest of the crew turns my stomach
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i actually like them all for the most part but the show's too long & there are too many watered down human interest pieces every week that are needed to fill time. & i'm either working or i have other stuff to do before the games start anyway.
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Gameday first started going downhill when it expanded from 1 hour to 2.
The decline significantly hastened when it went from 2 hours to 3.
We always used to have it on at our tailgate parties, but rarely watched any of it. And since we stopped doing the tailgate parties 5-6 years ago, I've got a lot more going on, on a Saturday morning. I'm lucky if I can even catch my own team's game, honestly.
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Gameday first started going downhill when it expanded from 1 hour to 2.
The decline significantly hastened when it went from 2 hours to 3.
We always used to have it on at our tailgate parties, but rarely watched any of it. And since we stopped doing the tailgate parties 5-6 years ago, I've got a lot more going on, on a Saturday morning. I'm lucky if I can even catch my own team's game, honestly.
In general, how is the tailgating scene in Austin?
There's some heartburn in Norman about it. Some public tailgating area was removed 5 years ago when the two residential colleges were built. A month or so ago, new tailgate areas were announced, but they are all private, i.e., corporate.
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It's Nebraska, which means Sooner Nation had better start holding its breath
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Oklahoma's Eric Gray runs the ball against Nebraska in their game Sept. 18, 2021, at Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium in Norman.
NORMAN — The question to select Oklahoma Sooners after practice Monday night: How many of Nebraska’s last 13 losses have been by single digits?
“I’d probably say nine,” tackle Anton Harrison said.
“Ten of them?” defensive end Ethan Downs guessed.
“Twelve,” defensive lineman Isaiah Coe said.
Getting warmer ...
“I think they’ve had 13 one-score games in the last year,” Brent Venables said Tuesday in the middle of his scouting report on Saturday’s OU-Nebraska game.
Close enough.
. . .
In an insane undercurrent to Nebraska football’s plunge into mediocrity since, really, a national runner-up 2001 season, all 13 Husker losses since Thanksgiving weekend 2020 have been by single digits.
“All 13?” Downs said Monday night.
“All of ‘em?” Harrison said.
All of ‘em.
And that, more than the storied OU-Nebraska rivalry and the presence of interim Huskers head coach Mickey Joseph and the living, screaming organism that Nebraska Memorial Stadium becomes every fall, is why Sooner Nation should hold its collective breath for 3½ hours Saturday.
“See?” Coe said when informed about the Huskers’ unlucky 13. “That’s why you have to be prepared.”
That’s why you can’t roll your eyes this week every time a member of the Sooners’ program swears they are in for ...
“A dogfight,” linebacker Danny Stutsman forecasted right after OU’s 33-3 dismissal of Kent State last Saturday night.
It is practically preordained.
At the close of Nebraska’s 3-9 2021 season, the Associated Press’ Eric Olson shared that the Huskers became the first college football team of the divisions era (since 1978) to lose nine single-digit games in one season. All but one of those setbacks were by one score.
This year's 1-2 Huskers have lost 31-28 to Northwestern and 45-42 to Georgia Southern this month, to extend their ruinous luck. It is barely conceivable outside two places – Lincoln, of course, and Norman, where the Sooners had better grasp how easily things could be very different in the build-up to Saturday.
They appear to understand.
Asked if he would be surprised to learn Nebraska’s single-digit losing streak stood at 13, tight end Daniel Parker said: “It wouldn’t. Those guys play their hearts out. I’ve seen some close battles that they’ve been in this year. They fought, but things just kinda didn’t go their way. It can happen like that in college football.”
“This is a team that easily could have been 8-4 or 9-3,” Coe said of last year’s Huskers.
They could easily be 3-0 this year. Scott Frost could still be on the job that Joseph took Sunday morning.
“Just snakebit for whatever reason,” Venables said.
OU’s head man would just as soon his Sooners turn from Nebraska’s misfortune and mind their own business. Maybe we should follow suit.
If Saturday is sure to come down to one score, maybe we should note OU’s 6-1 record in one-score games last year. Maybe we should note decisive players from that 6-1 record — Marvin Mims against Texas and Tulane, D.J. Graham against Nebraska and Eric Gray against West Virginia for example — will be in Lincoln.
Graham describes the ’22 Sooners, who led Kent State 7-3 at halftime before dialing up some poise, as “cool and collected.” That bodes well for this weekend.
So does something Downs said of the Huskers on Monday night: “We know they’re a great team. They take a ton of pride in how they play. We’re not underestimating them one bit. We’re going to prepare and go at it like it’s a game seven.”
“I feel like we’re gonna get their best. We’re gonna get everybody’s game seven, everybody’s best,” Harrison said. “I feel like if we come out how we need to, we prepare how we need to, it won’t be a single-digit game.”
Easy, big fella. It will very likely be a single-digit game. This is Nebraska you’re playing. The Huskers have known no other way since losing 41-23 to Illinois Nov. 21, 2020.
And while they know no other way than to lose single-digit games, you’d still better prepare to fight that Big Red dog until the last second expires.
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Today's athletes, many of today's fans, don't see anything special about OU playing Nebraska in Lincoln Saturday. This is the 12th year since the two programs were in the same conference, the 27th year since the series was an annual one. In addition, the two programs are not currently at the same level. Nebraska is in the midst of its worst stretch in about 80 years, while OU is competing for a spot in the CFP most years.
But this series will be a part of college football lore for as long as college football exists, because, on a chilly day in November 1971, Nebraska and Oklahoma played the greatest game in CFB's history.
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In general, how is the tailgating scene in Austin?
There's some heartburn in Norman about it. Some public tailgating area was removed 5 years ago when the two residential colleges were built. A month or so ago, new tailgate areas were announced, but they are all private, i.e., corporate.
Sorry, just saw this.
Tailgating is so-so in Austin. It used to be a lot bigger and a lot easier, but most of the surface parking lots near campus belong to State of Texas government buildings, and over the past decade they've either built more buildings, or built more parking garages, in all of those surface lots. What little surface area NOT owned by the state of Texas government nearby, is a very hot commodity and difficult to secure. They raised the price on our lot so many times, that it began eating up all of our charitable operating budget, so we finally killed it about 5-6 years ago.
The school now portions and sells off its available land, which is also cost prohibitive. So most of the "small" tailgate parties are gone. It's either large corporate ones, or people just putting chairs behind their cars or sitting on their... tailgates. Maybe that's not the worst thing.
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or people just putting chairs behind their cars or sitting on their... tailgates. Maybe that's not the worst thing.
The first tailgating I witnessed was at West Point in the mid-1990s. It was a lot like that. People set up little cookers in the parking lots.
If Texas ever schedules a game at Army, you should try to go. The area is scenic and historic.
OU was supposed to play at Army in 2020, but it got canceled as part of the COVID cancellations.
OU wants to make it up, and I hope that happens, because I my wife has never seen that area.
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I've heard great things about the campus at West Point and their gameday atmosphere, I'd definitely like to see it someday.
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Tulsa World
It's Nebraska, which means Sooner Nation had better start holding its breath
I just hope it's a single-digit game
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That would have a familiar feel to it.
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I feel like it's going to be close.
I also felt like Texas was going to beat Kansas last year so there you have it.
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I hoped for that last Sept in Norman and got my wish
I really should hope for a win, but then I'd just be disappointed as hell
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I think that the Husker players are going to be fired up. If not successful early, that initial enthusiasm might dissipate. But with early success, it might carry on longer into the game.
I also think that the Husker fans will be more pumped than they would have been if Frost were still there.
I'll be happy with a one-point win. I'll be extremely happy with a double-digit win.
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all true
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Yup, all sounds about right to me. I think the Sooners should win. I think they probably will win. But I wouldn't be shocked if the Huskers play a really emotional game and keep it close enough to maybe pull it out at the very end.
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OU needs to get the early lead and build on it. Not let it become a dogfight.
The longer the underdog team stays in the game, the stronger it gets.
Brian Bosworth (the Dr. Pepper "Fansville" sheriff) said yesterday that Memorial Stadium in Lincoln is the loudest place he ever played.
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I was at that game and yelling my lungs out
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For all of the (justified) moribund feelings, remember that every Husker loss has been within 1 score.
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OU needs to get the early lead and build on it. Not let it become a dogfight.
The longer the underdog team stays in the game, the stronger it gets.
Brian Bosworth (the Dr. Pepper "Fansville" sheriff) said yesterday that Memorial Stadium in Lincoln is the loudest place he ever played.
I had no idea that the Sheriff was played by "The Boz". I knew he looked vaguely familiar, but I just associated it with the scores of Hollywood actors who have played in minor roles over the decades but haven't really broken through. I didn't even really know what CFB was in the 80's when he was a thing and yet I still vaguely knew who he was.
He does a really good job.
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I knew him all too well at the time.
Only part of the Fansville commercials I don't like.
(just kidding, he does a good job in that role)
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Isnt he the one that jumped over our front line and tackled our QB
I was not happy
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nope
superman was a safety
Roy Williams
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I'm leaving for Lincoln
hope to meet CW tomorrow
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nope
superman was a safety
Roy Williams
youre right now I remember
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Yup, all sounds about right to me. I think the Sooners should win. I think they probably will win. But I wouldn't be shocked if the Huskers play a really emotional game and keep it close enough to maybe pull it out at the very end.
Well I suppose it's a good thing I don't gamble on sports.
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me too, didn't think Iowa could score 23 points
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I'm leaving for Lincoln
hope to meet CW tomorrow
It was great meeting you at Kincaider's, Fearless! After almost two decades of exchanging witty, pithy, always-germane comments with you on the message board, it was good to finally see your face.
I'm glad we (esposita and I) didn't have firm plans to meet at your tailgate before the game, as I messed up getting into Lincoln and missed everything before OU's first TD to tie the game. I knew from the roars that arose from Memorial Stadium that good things were happening for the Huskers early on.
So, I'll post here for public consumption what I told you at Kinkaider's. That was the best football road trip I have ever been on. The Nebraska fans are the best I have ever encountered, and I don't just mean non-OU fans. Friendly, courteous, conversational, and well-informed. Great folks with which to interact. That's what I remember about Nebraska fans from my time at OU (1972-1977). It's good to see that nothing has changed in that regard.
I didn't know until after we got back to the visitor's inn at Offutt AFB, but the two teams joined in prayer after the game was over. That too is consistent with how things were in the 1970s. Both teams giving 100+% on the field, in games that nearly every year determined the conference championship and at least half the time had national championship implications, and then hugging and shaking hands afterward. And meeting in reunions of the great teams of the past.
Cheers to the Cornhuskers and their fans. May their tribe increase. May they get the right leadership in place to return to the upper echelons of college football and stay there for as long as there is college football in America.
:singing:
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thanks for the kind works
Husker fans are pretty good overall, but we really have a strong connection with and deep respect for our Sooner rivals.
With the Sooners move to the SEC I suppose scheduling more games in the series will be even less likely, but we all hope not.
11am games are tough, especially coming from the Omaha area. Sorry that didn't work as well as you had hoped.
Very happy you enjoyed your visit. It always upsets me when the Huskers can't give the opponent a decent game. The stadium experience is much better if the fans are into the contest.
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I thought that the fans were into the contest until the Sooners' last TD before halftime.
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Brian Bosworth approves the defensive changes under Brent Venables.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdLpU4xaIAE_2VR?format=jpg&name=small)
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I was going to refrain commenting on the Texas @ Texas Tech result.
But, now that the K-State @ OU result is final, I'll just say that wallowing in the misery of an upset loss stinks.
Congrats to TTU and KSU for their great efforts today.
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yer a good fan, CW
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Yup the B12 leftovers proved out yesterday, congrats to them.
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yer a good fan, CW
Maybe the weekend in Omaha and Lincoln rubbed off on me!
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Brian Bosworth approves the defensive changes under Brent Venables.
what's Brian got for words of wisdom today?
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Probably whatever it takes to keep the peace in Fansville.
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The Fansville commercials are having a nice run. So is Heisman House.
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A lot of big games--nationally and in the Big 12--tomorrow.
OU and Texas can both play themselves into or right out of the conference championship race tomorrow.
#16 Baylor and #9 oSu have a rematch of last year's CCG. The winner will be in the driver's seat, I suspect.
The winner of Texas Tech at K-State will be in a good position.
Kansas has a chance to go 5-0 for the first time since 2009, when the Jayhawks started 5-0 before losing 7 straight.
KU fans would rather look at 2007, when they went 11-0 before losing to Missouri. They then beat Va. Tech in the Orange Bowl to finish 12-1.
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K-State #25 after their impressive victory
plenty of confidence
hopefully they aren't too full of themselves to prepare for the Red Raiders
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K-State did well enough today.
Devil Froggy, wherever you are, congrats to your horny toads today!
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SDF still stops by every now and then. Always glad to hear from him.
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Congrats to the Horns and Huskers.
Both are 1-1 in conference play, which might have seemed unlikely a week ago.
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the Hoosiers are not good
but, a win is better than a loss
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SDF still stops by every now and then. Always glad to hear from him.
I hear from him via text quite a bit. Dude is probably too busy in the gym to post here much. He's lost like 100 lbs and is all shredded up now. I no longer have the urge to talk smack about TCU or ASU to him.
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Corngrats to the Huskers!
That game was a tale of two halves. So was the play of Casey Thompson.
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an ugly win is a beautiful thang
Casey is tough
He got some help from the defense last week in the 4th quarter, got some help from the defense this week in the 2nd half
no running game tonight - took the O-coordinator 3 quarters to figure out to let Casey go win it