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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: Gigem on August 07, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
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After the exit of OU/UT who do you like to be the Top Dog in the XII?
#1 oSU. If nothing else they’ve been right there and steady
#2 Baylor. Gag me with a spoon but they play some good ball
#3. Toss up between tcu and Tech. I would have put tcu much higher but they have a new coach
#4 UH. I think UH has a lot of potential.
The rest hasn’t really showed much IMO. Not sure if it’s worth ranking them.
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Cincinnati would be the only team that has made the playoffs. I'd have WVU in the mix in the middle.
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1. OSU. I believe that they have had the 2nd-best conference record over the past 10-12 years, only trailing OU.
2. Baylor. It makes me want to vomit to post that, but there it is. Would the Pac-12 like to trade Arizona for Baylor?
3. Cincinnati. Been to the CFP.
4. Kansas State. Always solid. When you seldom beat yourself, you will win many games.
5. Iowa State. Can they come back from last year's flop?
6. Houston
7. BYU
8. TCU. No Gary Patterson, no Horned Frog greatness.
9. WVU. 'Eers are in trouble. They've brought in a new OC to replace the old OC, who was (and still is) their head coach.
10. Central Florida
11. Texas Tech. I think the Red Raiders have regressed to their historical norm. Or worse.
12. Kansas
I may have all the new teams ranked too low.
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Don’t know much about UCin. They seems to be as much a 11 win program as they are a 5 win program.
How will the fare playing power 5 competition week in and out ?
I believe tcu went into the XII with much fan fare but have a losing record in the XII.
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most like ISU's coach, they think he could do more with more
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Cincy with their current coach is going to be pretty good. Therein lies their problem. They also have a small stadium, ~35K, surrounded by campus buildings. They can have a pretty raucus 35K, but they need at least 10 K more seats if they are successful longer term. There are enough OSU rejects for them to field some talented teams.
The better players used to split between Miami(O), Ohio U, Akron, Kent State, and Cincy, now Cincy gets most of them.
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I rap on Baylor as much as the next guy, but at least in football, the culture has changed. That starts at the top. Dave Aranda is a good man and he can coach a bit. It won't be long before he's back in the Big Ten or SEC.
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I rap on Baylor as much as the next guy, but at least in football, the culture has changed. That starts at the top. Dave Aranda is a good man and he can coach a bit. It won't be long before he's back in the Big Ten or SEC.
Maybe even at Texas, after we fire Sark in a couple of years!
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Maybe even at Texas, after we fire Sark in a couple of years!
Maybe.
But there is only a finite number of coaches who can have their career-progression end in Austin.
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He'll draw looks from a lot of kings/barons needing coaches.
Nebraska, Michigan, Texas, Tennessee, UCLA, Florida, etc. The usual suspects.
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You think if Sark falls on his face again this year he'll get the axe in year 2?
I find it hard to believe Tom Herman left the program in that bad of shape that he finished 5-7.
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New QB New Coach
It happens
We will see what happens this year no predictions
Yes another 5 - 7 season means hes gone
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Aranda and Fickle both are going to get paid and soonish I think.
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I'm picking Texas to go 10-2 and get into the Sugar Bowl against UGA.
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I'm picking Texas to go 10-2 and get into the Sugar Bowl against UGA.
I dont think 10 - 2 goes to the Sugar Bowl
but it is possible
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My ridiculous guess is Texas 10-2 vs UGA 11-2.
Last year was Ole Miss at 10-2 vs Baylor at 10-2.
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My ridiculous guess is Texas 10-2 vs UGA 11-2.
Last year was Ole Miss at 10-2 vs Baylor at 10-2.
so you dont think the dogs are gonna repeat
thats interesting
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No, my GUESS is a loss at Miss State and then in the CG. 11-2. They might beat Texas, if the players care about the game and show up, but they probably won't.
Y'all need to get your excuses pumped up and working ahead of time.
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The ball is still pointy and bounces funny.
Texas was deserving of last season's 5-7 record, certainly. However, those were a lot of close games that could have gone differently with a better dice roll.
There's all the usual "intangibles" about self doubt and learning to win. Those are certainly true. Less intangible, and within reach of the team's control, are things like Left Offensive Tackle, and a pass rushing DE.
Texas has a lot of offense waiting to be unleashed. There's a backlog of "all the way" players at just about every position that's supposed to touch the ball on an offensive snap. The only thing lacking is the 3 seconds post-snap needed to make it all work.
Ay, there's the rub!
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I'm picking Texas to go 10-2 and get into the Sugar Bowl against UGA.
I'd certainly be thrilled with that! Let's make it so.
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No, my GUESS is a loss at Miss State and then in the CG. 11-2. They might beat Texas, if the players care about the game and show up, but they probably won't.
Y'all need to get your excuses pumped up and working ahead of time.
you have us mixed up with aggie
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If ya wanna be in the SEC, ya gotta get your excuses lined up nicely and ready to parade out.
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Texas is usually the reverse of that.
We like to beat ourselves up over wins. How, if the opposing defense were better, we'd have lost surely! How close that 20 point win was, but it's just a mirage with garbage time points scored when the other team was desperate to win. We're gonna get killed by <whomever the next team is> if <insert position coach> doesn't get this fixed now!
Our pets' heads really are falling off!
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Texas chances depend on what kind of defense they come up with and right now I dont have a clue
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Texas is usually the reverse of that.
We like to beat ourselves up over wins. How, if the opposing defense were better, we'd have lost surely! How close that 20 point win was, but it's just a mirage with garbage time points scored when the other team was desperate to win. We're gonna get killed by <whomever the next team is> if <insert position coach> doesn't get this fixed now!
Our pets' heads really are falling off!
Worth at least what it costs you to hear it . . . from an OU perspective, it seems like Texas fans are more-than-average delusional in pre-season and then more-than-average despondent once a couple of losses have been absorbed.
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Worth at least what it costs you to hear it . . . from an OU perspective, it seems like Texas fans are more-than-average delusional in pre-season and then more-than-average despondent once a couple of losses have been absorbed.
its very important to us Horn fans how OU feels
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its very important to us Horn fans how OU feels
That's why I charge you so much to read about it, 320.
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Worth at least what it costs you to hear it . . . from an OU perspective, it seems like Texas fans are more-than-average delusional in pre-season and then more-than-average despondent once a couple of losses have been absorbed.
Lot of truth there.
Hard to post Top 10 recruiting classes and not approach the new season with hope. "Hope", sure, but the longer fall camp goes (now stretching in to summer conditioning), the more you hear reports that a key player is really emerging, and another unit is playing hard, and by golly, you've convinced yourself that all the troubles from last season were fixed! Show me a loss!
I keep reminding myself that, until I see the Texas Longhorn OL hold up under a hostile defense, it's the same liability it always was.
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WE haven't had a great oline since 2005. We haven't had a good one since 2006. We haven't had anything other than a tragically terrible oline, since 2015.
That covers 4 head coaches, 8 or 10 offensive coordinators, and too many oline coaches and S&C coaches for me to count.
So yeah I'm gonna go ahead and assume it will continue to suck, until it proves it does not suck. And I ain't holding my breath.
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Ever notice that every time there is a coaching change the new s&c coach is always so much better than the old one? In particular I remember how the Coach Fran ( gag! ) essentially put out stories about how soft the old s&c coach was and how our team was like a country club etc. Meanwhile the old guy went on to the nfl and continued a long and successful career.
The next season the team went 4-8 and basically quit in like 2-3 games while repeatedly getting manhandled.
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Ever notice that every time there is a coaching change the new s&c coach is always so much better than the old one? In particular I remember how the Coach Fran ( gag! ) essentially put out stories about how soft the old s&c coach was and how our team was like a country club etc. Meanwhile the old guy went on to the nfl and continued a long and successful career.
The next season the team went 4-8 and basically quit in like 2-3 games while repeatedly getting manhandled.
Yessir!
Reports are that <new guy>'s conditioning program is something the team hasn't ever seen. Several veterans were staggering by the end of the session. The players said they're intense, but they could see gains by the end of the first week. <Old guy>'s defenses suffered from fatigue, particularly in the 4th quarter. This is clearly a point of emphasis for <head coach trying to save job>.
I personally believe in Mike Tyson's former trainer Cus D'Amato (to the point where everyone's tired of hearing about it). He counseled that most of that "fatigue" was mental. A kid knew he couldn't quit due to pressure, but it was OK to quit if you're exhausted. In reality, you let that tired defense recover a fumble or make a critical stop that results in points, and these formerly "exhausted" kids will be flying around the field full of life!
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4. Kansas State. Always solid. When you seldom beat yourself, you will win many games.
Well said.
Adrian Martinez, who helped Nebraska beat itself repeatedly, despite great athletic skills, did not drop the ball against OU, and did not throw an interception, while leading KSU to a surprising win on the road against OU on 9/24/2022.
The next thread should be titled, "Does changing uniforms, matter?"
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that settles it
the Curse is REAL
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the Curse is REAL
Nebraska has the curse of the Billy Goat, or the curse of the black cat? I don't think so. What is the curse?
Nebraska had an MNC in 1999. The Chubs are actually cursed. They have world championships every 108-years.
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1997, 99 was the last conference title
since they fired Fearless Frankie Solich, in 2003, they've been cursed
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Frankie didn't look like he was going to be as good as Dr. Tom.
But, then, Dr. Tom didn't look as good at the start as Bob Devaney looked at the end of his career.
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Frankie wasn't going to be there for 20 years, but he deserved better than what he got in 2003.
He should have been given a chance for at least another season with Pelini coaching the defense and after winning 10 games in 03.
Eventually, Frank was going to be released, but if your best replacement is Billy C., ya gotta keep Frank another season.
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Osborne himself has stated he believes he would have been fired following the 1976 Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl if his team hadn't overcome a 24-14 3rd quarter deficit to get his 9th win that season.
the huge upset of Oklahoma in 78 probably saved his bacon again.
1981 was looking especially bleak when he lost to unranked Iowa to open the season and then Penn State the 3rd game of the season to drop out of the AP Poll. (My freshman year) Luckily for Doc Tom and all Husker fans, sophomore QB Turner Gill came in and turned the season around.
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Frankie wasn't going to be there for 20 years, but he deserved better than what he got in 2003.
He should have been given a chance for at least another season with Pelini coaching the defense and after winning 10 games in 03.
Eventually, Frank was going to be released, but if your best replacement is Billy C., ya gotta keep Frank another season.
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Osborne himself has stated he believes he would have been fired following the 1976 Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl if his team hadn't overcome a 24-14 3rd quarter deficit to get his 9th win that season.
the huge upset of Oklahoma in 78 probably saved his bacon again.
1981 was looking especially bleak when he lost to unranked Iowa to open the season and then Penn State the 3rd game of the season to drop out of the AP Poll. (My freshman year) Luckily for Doc Tom and all Husker fans, sophomore QB Turner Gill came in and turned the season around.
Hubris. Nebraska fans and admins had seen the Huskers win 3 natties in 4 years, and expected more of the same. Winning the conference in '99 and playing in the NCG in '01 wasn't good enough.
Switzer was on the verge of being fired after 3 straight years ('81-'83) of 4-loss seasons and finishing 2nd in the Big 8. Then he played for the MNC in '84 and won it in '85, so he saved his job for another 3 years.
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it was the 36-62 in Boulder and 14-37 in Pasadena in 2001 that got it started - those games weren't as close as the final score
2002 was what doomed Solich and I gotta admit things took a rough turn.
7-40 at Penn St.
14-36 in Ames
close heartbreakers in Stilwater and to the Horns in Lincoln
then closed the season 13-48 in Manhattan and 13-28 in Lincoln to Ralphie
with a bowl loss to finish 7-7
Solich was a dead man walkin at the end of the season
they forced out the D-coordinator and Pelini was hired
only 3 losses in 2003, but they were all blowouts
24-41 in Columbia
7-31 in Austin (Vince & Cedric had big days)
7-38 vs K-state in Lincoln was the last straw
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it was the blow-outs
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Yep. Blowouts hurt.
Bob Stoops never fully recovered from 19-55 against USC in the 2004 (season) NCG. He wasn't "Big Game Bob" anymore.
He started the season 2-3, with losses to TCU, UCLA, and Texas (12-45, worst-ever loss to Texas, IIRC), and finished 8-4. Lost the next 3 BCS bowls he was in, including the 2008 (season) NCG vs. Florida.
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there's one good reason he doesn't have the hunger to come back to coaching in Lincoln
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there's one good reason he doesn't have the hunger to come back to coaching in Lincoln
Stoops? Has he been on the Huskers' radar?
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I sent Trev a Text, no reply
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Speaking of top programs of the leftover B12, OkState-TCU should be a good game today.
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hard to beat Mr Frog at home
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Don't know why, they had a shot over their stadium and it wasn't close to being full and I read it only holds like 30,000.
OT ensues.
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The Poke Choke.
The Pokes should have gone for 2 at the end of the 1st OT. Instead, they kicked the PAT and sent it into the 2nd OT, where TCU had the tactical advantage.
That's the same sort of calculation that Lincoln Riley made against Georgia in the Rose Bowl. In the 1st OT, with UGA having kicked a FG, facing short 4th and goal, he decided to kick for the tie instead of going for the TD and the win.
That sort of thinking seems to bite you more often than not.