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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on July 13, 2022, 10:56:12 AM
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The resumes:
1971 Oklahoma (11-1)
- Beat #17 USC (by 13), #3 Texas (by 21) and #6 Colorado (by 28) in consecutive weeks in October
- Led nation in scoring and total offense, set the NCAA record for rushing offense
- Lone loss came on Thanksgiving weekend to #1 Nebraska, 35-31, in the first Game of the Century in 5 years, losing with 1:38 left
- Beat #5 Auburn 40-22 in Sugar Bowl
- #8 S&P+ team of the 70s/80s
- All-Americans: RB Greg Pruitt (consensus), OC Tom Brahaney (consensus), QB Jack Mildren, OG Ken Jones, LB Steve Aycock
1986 Miami (11-1)
- Beat #1 Oklahoma 28-16 on September 27, to reach #1
- Beat #20 Florida State 41-23, the only time they gave up more than 16 points all season
- Lost 14-10 to #2 Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl/National Championship
- Had 3 of the first 9 picks in the 1987 NFL Draft
- All-Americans: QB Vinny Testaverde (unanimous), DT Jerome Brown (unanimous), S Bennie Blades (consensus), WR Michael Irvin, OC Gregg Rakoczy, DE Daniel Stubbs, DT Dan Sileo
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This is a hell of a matchup. The numbers don't love that Miami team as much as I would have guessed though
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Sexy matchup!
It looks good on your resume to have your sole loss vs the possible best team ever.
BUUUUUUT...this Miami era was incapable of losing to OU, lol.
Actually, this great Miami D's strength was pass D. '71 OU could just avoid passing.
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easy pick
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Not only did OU set NCAA record for team rushing yards per game, that # needs publishing here.
472 yards per game!
I don't think there's been a 400 yard per game average this century. Nebraska may have scraped out 401 in '97. I've played that 71 OU team a bunch in OAM's game a ton, they are a juggernaut.
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the 71 Boomers would have put up 500 yards rushing and hung half a hundred on the scoreboard vs the 86 Canes
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Well, Miami held '86 OU to 280 yds under their rushing average.
It'd be a funny game, with Miami possibly not rushing for any yardage and OU not having any passing yardage.
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86 OU couldn't hold 71 OU's jock
but, it would be a fun game
I watched too many that weren't fun, with the Huskers not being able to run and the Canes being able to pass
the 2-point conv Orange bowl following the 83 season was fun. until it wasn't
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- Beat #17 USC (by 13), #3 Texas (by 21) and #6 Colorado (by 28) in consecutive weeks in October
- Led nation in scoring and total offense, set the NCAA record for rushing offense
- Lone loss came on Thanksgiving weekend to #1 Nebraska, 35-31, in the first Game of the Century in 5 years, losing with 1:38 left
- Beat #5 Auburn 40-22 in Sugar Bowl
That resume is tough to match, I think, in the "modern era", maybe 95 Nebbie.
They pretty much hammered 3, 5, 6, and 17. That was the year the top 3 came from one conference.
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- That was the year the top 3 came from one conference.
Most people on this board have told me this can't be the case....
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Obviously, it CAN be, it's very very rare. So, we don't expect it. Folks here are smart enough to understand it COULD happen.
Imagine this coming season for example, Bama finishes 13-0, UGA loses to them late (duh) and is 12-1, and A&M is 11-1 with a close lose at Bama and blow outs.
Other teams have two losses, or lose in a bowl game.
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86 OU couldn't hold 71 OU's jock
An easy claim, but we don't KNOW that.
86 OU had the talent - they were preseason #1.
86 OU beat the hell out of their Orange Bowl opponent (#9 Ark).
The case against OU is that their loss was to JUST the overwhelming favorite in the year-ending 1 vs 2 game in which #1 happened to lose. If Miami had beaten Penn State, 86 OU's resume would be similar to 71 OU's, partially due to 86 Miami being held in all-time great esteem.
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Vinny Testaverde throwing a bunch of INTs vs someone else makes it so 86 OU doesn't measure up to 71 OU.
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ask a Sooner
ask Switzer
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yes, 1, 2, 3 could happen again but, this season it would have to be the SEC
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ask a Sooner
ask Switzer
Switzer said Testaverde was the best QB they'd ever faced. OU totally shut down Miami's rushing attack and still allowed 28 points.
I'm not arguing against 71 being better than 86 is the consensus, I'm just saying the "why" behind it isn't so cut-and-dry.
If Miami had beaten Penn State, EVERYONE'S opinion of 86 OU would be elevated, including their fans' and HCs'.
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but, they didn't beat Penn St
and 86 Penn St wasn't 71 Nebraska
that's the "why"
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Right, but the point is that an outcome that didn't involve OU directly affects the Sooners' legacy.
86 OU's crime was losing to a team that was a heavy favorite in a 1v2 bowl matchup. That's all.
We create these chasms between perceived quality among teams. 71 and 86 OU were 11-1 teams. Both lost to elite teams. 86 OU finished 1st in the nation in scoring AND scoring defense. 71 OU was 51st in scoring defense.
I'm not posting about this just to argue. Just noting that what's plainly opined isn't necessarily true.
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yes, 1, 2, 3 could happen again but, this season it would have to be the SEC
That would cause some frowns around town, another 1-2 SEC matchup while #5 A&M beats whoever in a bowl game badly. It's not beyond the Pale.
Who here knows what "the Pale" means?
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I'm not posting about this just to argue. Just noting that what's plainly opined isn't necessarily true.
agreed
and there's no way to know for sure what is true and what isn't
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agreed
and there's no way to know for sure what is true and what isn't
This is true.
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Who here knows what "the Pale" means?
I didn't but I googled it
now I know
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agreed
and there's no way to know for sure what is true and what isn't
Right, that's what makes the conversation fun.