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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on July 01, 2022, 09:11:08 AM
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The resumes:
1985 Michigan (10-1-1)
- Went 3-0 in non-conference play, against three top 20 teams (#13 Notre Dame, #15 South Carolina, #20 Maryland)
- Lone loss was on the road at #1 Iowa, on a last second FG, 12-10
- 3-3 tie at Illinois cost them a share of the Big Ten title
- Beat #7 Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl
- SP+ #8 team of the 80s
- All-Americans: DT Mike Hammerstein (unanimous), CB Brad Cochran (consensus), QB Jim Harbaugh, TE Eric Kattus, DE Mark Messner, LB Mike Mallory
1980 Nebraska (10-2)
- Won at #3 Penn State, but lost at home to #16 Florida State in non-conference play
- Lost at home in the season finale to Oklahoma, to lose the Big 8 title
- Beat #17 Mississippi State in the Sun Bowl
- SP+ #3 team of the 80s
- All-Americans: RB Jarvis Redwine, OG Randy Schleusner, DT David Clark, NT Kirk Hineline, LB Derrie Nelson, S Russell Gary
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If there is a list of greatest teams to ever finish with two non-wins, these teams both belong on it. Both were a couple plays from undefeated.
Illinois in 1985 had a season that sounds more typical for MSU: They beat the Buckeyes and tied Michigan but got obliterated by Iowa and lost to a couple of mediocre teams.
Nebraska's two losses in 1980 were by a combined total of eight points and the teams that beat them each finished 10-2 and ranked in the top-5.
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SP+ includes 1 NC in its top 10 from the 80s. I'm normally a stats guy, but in looking over some of their really highly-ranked teams, their formula seems to REALLY value beating the ever-loving shit out of average-and-worse teams. What you do against fellow strong teams seems nearly meaningless, as long as you win some and lose some.
All that being said, I think OU's run from 85-87 was evidence that it's not just about the stats. Matchup and talent level matter, obviously. I hold talent level much higher than matchup, but whatever.
On this game, I think it would be badass to watch. Nebraska shut down the run like few teams ever have. Of course a Bo-led UM team wants to pound the ball, but I don't think they'd be able to. The problem is that Harbaugh's 64% comp rate would have allowed the Wolverines to move the ball and score.
Nebraska had a great option game, but 2 of UM's best players were on the d-line. They weren't just gap-stoppers, but penetrators. I think Messerschmidt & Hammerstein would retard the Husker run attack just enough.
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1980 Nebraska.
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On this game, I think it would be badass to watch. Nebraska shut down the run like few teams ever have. Of course a Bo-led UM team wants to pound the ball, but I don't think they'd be able to. The problem is that Harbaugh's 64% comp rate would have allowed the Wolverines to move the ball and score.
so, is this tourney to pick which team would win in a game on the field, or which team you think was the better team overall?
I hadn't looked at the matchup for a game on the field. I just looked at season resumes.
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It's whatever you want it to be
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difficult to matchup different teams from different seasons - in the same decade isn't so bad, but.........
matching 97 Nebraska vs 97 Michigan is fun, but a team from 1980 and 1989 could be problematic
besides, my love of the Huskers and my strong dislike of Michigan wasn't going to allow for enough logic to sway my vote
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When they're not far apart in terms of years, it's easy to imagine them playing. OL weren't any bigger in 1985 than in 1980.
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ok
thinking about it THAT way, I'll take the 1980 Huskers by 2 scores
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Sweet, we settled it!
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seems we need a tiebreaker on more polls than not
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Is this really an OFF-TOPIC tourney this year?
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Need a tiebreaker...per usual
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I was in attendance in Iowa City when 85 Michigan lost to Iowa
really not impressed, should have won by a couple scores
check Iowa's Rose Bowl performance
tie breaker to Nebraska!!!
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Split outcome, these two should be familiar with that.
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I could play the game out on Whoa Nellie and report back...
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best 4 outta 7???
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This isn't beisbol (another sport the SEC dominates at).
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I could play the game out on Whoa Nellie and report back...
I like the idea of Whoa Nellie deciding it.
Anyone else got a better idea???
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sure, whatever way assures the 80 Huskers of winning
let's let Brutas and Nubbz decide it
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Sorry, dinner and other business delayed my game-playing.
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Halftime:
6 '80 Nebraska
3 '85 Michigan
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N: Quinn: 3-3 for 68 yds
Redwine: 6 car, 57 yds
Craig: 5 car, 5 yds
Franklin: 7 car, 6 yds
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UM: Harbaugh: 8-11 for 95 yds
Morris: 8 car, 25 yds
Wilcher: 6 car, 19 yds
Jokisch: 2 rec, 43 yds
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Definitely a low-scoring game between 2 teams that stop the run and insist on running, themselves. The Huskers were able to drive to the 10 of Michigan, taking advantage of a short field, but were stymied on 3 straight runs.
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that's the early 80s Osborne offense the fans didn't really love
poor guy was very nearly run out of town
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Thrilling 30 minutes
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Final score:
6 Nebraska '80
3 Michigan '85
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We set offensive football back a few decades, guys. That's what happens when you can't run on someone, but keep running it. Both teams did this.
It was actually a good, close game, but Nebraska should have won by more. They had 4 drives begin in UM territory, but came away with only 3 points (a missed FG, 2 turnover on downs). The Nebraska defense was stout, holding UM to under 100 yds rushing and picking off 3 Harbaugh passes.
Jarvis Redwine managed to rush for 101 yards, but couldn't find the end zone. Quinn was efficient throwing the ball, but I was playing passive - not being either team - and letting their run/pass ratios determine the play-calling. If I had played as both teams, I would have passed more with Nebraska and tried more outside runs with Michigan. Quinn didn't do anything on the ground.
The main thing was field position, as Nebraska won that battle easily - UM always seemed to have 70 yards to go. Although on one drive, Nebraska started at its own 2 and got into FG position (missed it). Otherwise, they had a short field much of the time, just couldn't punch it in. Both defense shined (obviously).
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Statistics:
1980 Nebraska
11 first downs
152 yards rushing
105 yards passing
267 yards of offense
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1985 Michigan
14 first downs
95 yards rushing
155 yards passing
250 yards of offense
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Passing:
Quinn 6-8 for 105 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT
Harbaugh: 15-23 for 155 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT
Rushing:
N: Redwine 12 car for 101 yds,
Craig 9 car for 33 yds,
Franklin 12 car for 19 yds,
Quinn 11 car for 9 yds
M: Morris 17 car for 64 yds,
Wilcher 9 car for 24 yds,
White 6 car for 18 yds
Harbaugh 7 car for -11 yds
Receiving:
N: Brown 3 rec for 47 yds
Finn 1 rec for 30 yds
Steels 1 rec for 22 yds
Noonan 1 rec for 6 yds
M: Morris 6 rec for 34 yds
Jokisch 3 rec for 56 yds
Kattus 3 rec for 31 yds
Kolesar 1 rec for 17 yds
Perryman 1 rec for 11 yds
Kicking:
Seibel: 2-4 FGs
Gillette: 1-1 FGs
Interceptions:
N: Lundquist 2, Baker 1
M: n/a
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Hey hey hey, I'm certain you were wanting a blurb on the game, complete with full stats, no? :57:
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Hey, I play the hell out of all of my mobile GM games, so I was all in on these results
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6-3, 6-4, whatever it takes.
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It was actually a good, close game, but Nebraska should have won by more. They had 4 drives begin in UM territory, but came away with only 3 points (a missed FG, 2 turnover on downs). The Nebraska defense was stout, holding UM to under 100 yds rushing and picking off 3 Harbaugh passes.
Jarvis Redwine managed to rush for 101 yards,
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Michigan sucks