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Title: Time perspective
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 07, 2022, 06:03:46 PM
I read somewhere that the most recent dinosaur is closer in time to the iPhone than it is to the first dinosaur and a quick google seems to confirm.  According to the first hit on my "when did dinosaurs live" search, "Dinosaurs lived between about 245 and 66 million years ago".  Thus, the most recent were "only" 66 million years ago but they were 179 million years after the first.  

WWII is now closer in time to the American Civil War than it is to the present day.  WWII is conventionally viewed as running from Germany's invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939 to Japan's surrender on September 2, 1945 (although there is significant debate on the beginning and even the end can be dated to formal end or the treaty or whatever).  1945 was 77 years ago.  1865 was "only" 74 years prior to 1939.  

The Moors occupied all or parts of Iberia for longer than they have been gone.  The Islamic Arabs first crossed the Straight of Gibraltar in 711 and the last of the Moors were not kicked out by the Spanish until 1492 (just before the Spanish Monarchs financed some crazy guy named Christopher Columbus).  Thus, the Moors occupied all or part of the Iberian Peninsula  (basically Spain and Portugal) for more than 700 years and it has only been a little over 500 years since they were kicked out.  

The Pyramids were older when the Roman Colosseum was built than the Roman Ruins are now.  Per another quick Google, the Pyramids were built roughly between 2550 and 2490 BC while the Colosseum was built in 80 AD.  Thus, the Colosseum is about 1,942 years old while the pyramids were between 2,570 and 2,630 years old when it was built.  Similarly, the Romans took over Egypt in 30 BC (2,052 years ago) and the Pyramids were older then than the Roman Colosseum is now.  

WWI is almost as close in time to the Louisiana Purchase as it is to the present day.  WWI ran from 1914 to 1918.  1918 was 104 years ago while the Louisiana Purchase was in 1803 or 111 years before the beginning of WWI.  

The last Battleship commissioning is closer in time to the first Battleship commissioning than it is to the present day.  HMS Vanguard was laid down during WWII and delayed multiple times during the war due to Britain having more pressing needs.  It was eventually completed and commissioned in 1946.  Several other Countries (including the US) had Battleships under construction when WWII ended but Vanguard was the only Battleship to be completed and commissioned post-war.  The first of what became known as "pre-dreadnought" battleships was the British Devastation class the first of which were commissioned in 1874.  1874 was just 72 years before 1946 while 1946 was 76 years ago.  
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2022, 09:52:54 PM
1970 is 52 years ago, 2074 is equidistant 
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2022, 10:07:10 PM
I'm old, no hiding from it
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: bayareabadger on June 07, 2022, 11:58:24 PM
Oh God, we’re all gonna die some day
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 08, 2022, 07:46:17 AM
That was a great read. Thanks.
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: MrNubbz on June 08, 2022, 10:52:02 AM
Oh God, we’re all gonna die some day
Ted Nugent said No
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: MrNubbz on June 08, 2022, 10:54:36 AM
I'm old, no hiding from it
And like fine wine....well vinegar is pretty good for cleaning commode's
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Mdot21 on June 08, 2022, 11:03:38 AM
one of the coolest threads ever seen on here, great read. thanks! 
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Abba on June 08, 2022, 11:34:09 AM
The universe is nearly 14 billion years old.  Most theories don't think it will last 14 billion more.  So our universe is middle-aged or older.
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 08, 2022, 07:22:01 PM

The Moors occupied all or parts of Iberia for longer than they have been gone
I think you meant the Moops.
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Hawkinole on June 09, 2022, 12:14:31 AM
The universe is nearly 14 billion years old.  Most theories don't think it will last 14 billion more.  So our universe is middle-aged or older.
What came before the most recent Big Bang 14 billion years ago? A contracting universe that collapsed upon itself into a huge explosion? Does the Universe expand, and contract upon itself cyclically until the next Big Bang, and everything starts all over again? Stay tuned. 
Endless Universe - Ask the Authors (princeton.edu) (https://www.physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/endlessuniverse/askauthors.html#:~:text=Furthermore%2C there was not just one bang. The,life. Ours is only the most recent cycle.)
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 09, 2022, 06:29:51 AM
Why do we have everything instead of nothing? 

Nothing would make a lot more sense, no? 

Where did it all come from? 
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Riffraft on June 09, 2022, 10:46:16 AM
I think you meant the Moops.
Ok George ;)
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 09, 2022, 01:09:28 PM
Why do we have everything instead of nothing?

Nothing would make a lot more sense, no?

Where did it all come from?
Why do you assume a why?  Or need it?
It's likely a 'what.' 
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Why did the tornado miss that house and hit mine?  There is no why.  It's simply what happened.
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Why does the smartest ape in a certain time and place have such trouble with valuing itself without making up pretend, feel-good reasons?  
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Hawkinole on June 10, 2022, 01:41:10 AM
Why do we have everything instead of nothing?

Nothing would make a lot more sense, no?
we are everything to us, but virtually nothing in the universe. I am almost and virtually nothing, as are you.
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Cincydawg on June 10, 2022, 08:30:07 AM
I still find it fascinating that the relative rate time passes slows with relative velocity or gravity.

Time stops past the event horizon of a Black Hole, apparently, which is another strange concept.  Maybe it reverses "inside"?

The physics definition of "time" is basically nonexistent.
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 10, 2022, 08:40:04 AM
IMO, time is relative to life. As you age, it becomes more and more important because it seemingly goes by faster, even though it doesn't really.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZGC2qPa.png)
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 11, 2022, 10:44:38 AM
Oddly enough much of my abstract thinking is consumed by Time, and its beholden frames of reference, albeit the following example is from a perspective suited within our lifetime:

We are now further away from the premier of The Osbournes MTV Reality Show (March 5 2002) than the premier of The Osbournes is to when Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off a bat while performing his "Diary of a Madman" tour at Veterans Memorial Auditorium in Des Moines on Jan. 20, 1982.
Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: Cincydawg on June 11, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
There is no real physics definition of time, it just is.  It's a dimension akin to up, sideways, etc.  which doesn't have much of a definition either.

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Title: Re: Time perspective
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 11, 2022, 11:22:38 PM
Oddly enough much of my abstract thinking is consumed by Time, and its beholden frames of reference
I never really realized this, or at least never thought about it until my dad got alzheimers. Time is an abstract concept which alzheimers/dementia patients often struggle with.

We also experience time in at least four different ways which are progressively harder to grasp:

The first is time of day.

The second is day of week.

The third is time of year (seasons).

The fourth is years.

If you think about a little child learning this, they obviously learn time of day first, then day of week, then time of year, then years.

In my dad's case, as he lost his grasp of the concept it was in the reverse order. First he lost years. Once, in about 2015 a Doctor asked him what year it was. He answered "Nineteen . . ." So he was cluelessly off by at least 15 years.

Then he lost time of year. He'd ask in the off-season "Who is Ohio State playing this weekend?"

Then he lost day of week. When he could still operate his phone he'd call on a random weekday and ask who Ohio State was playing or what time.

Then he lost time of day. He'd say it was time to go to bed at 10am or ask about lunch at 10pm.

My three year old is going through this the other way. He "gets" time of day and has a vague understanding of days of week but that is it.