Cooper is a nice pickup, but I'm not sure he is a legitimate #1 WR. And then DPJ probably isn't a #2 WR. I'm pretty optimistic about David Bell as a potential #3 / slot guy, but his combine results were pretty rough. I think it is an improvement on what they had last year, but I'd still say it's a below average WR group.Watson will make every single one of those WR's better. Cooper had been playing with a very good, but somewhat limited QB in Dak Prescott imo. Watson is a lot better than Dak Prescott. Cooper can easily get back to having 1,110-1,200 yard seasons with DeShaun Watson imo. They don't need him to be a 1,500+ yard WR- Watson will spread the ball around and their running game will dominate. Not to mention they'll have Kareem Hunt who will flourish in the pass game like he did in KC with Watson as well- RB's that can catch that ball are at a premium in todays NFL.
The BROWNS - just once before I diedepends on the health of the tackles and when they'll actually get to play Watson- but they could wind up being the top team in the AFC North and making a real playoff run in 2022 or 2023.
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNFL/status/1524130310736261122?t=AQ41R0pT-d9KZXyknyxfDw&s=19the most shocking thing about that graphic isn't Brady's salary, it's Jim Rome's. WTF!?!? $30 million a year for Jim Rome? WHAT?
And he's about to get $40 million a year for a decade, without any experience. About time he levels up from his horse face wife:043:
the most shocking thing about that graphic isn't Brady's salary, it's Jim Rome's. WTF!?!? $30 million a year for Jim Rome? WHAT?Feels like someone overpaid for him 20 years ago when he was relevant, and nobody has checked the books. I couldn't even tell you where he was on. There are plenty of terrible talking heads, that are at least relevant. I don't think I've seen Jim Rome in 15 years
All I can ever think of with Jim Rome is his little scuffle with Jim Everett.that and frank caliendo's impression
All I can ever think of with Jim Rome is his little scuffle with Jim Everett.I was shocked to see he was only 57. He was only 30 when that happened.
Gronk retiring againbest TE to ever play the game by a lot imo
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1539314560825298949?t=oB7D7mmdpHH_CyAWqay6JA&s=19
I don't think it is. The only one I'd be willing to listen on is Ozzie Newsome, simply because he was such an outlier as a receiving threat when TEs weren't asked to be that, but was still asked to run block. The other tight ends who put up similar receiving numbers, or better, compared to gronk we're not merely as good at the other elements of being a tight end. Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates and Shannon Sharpe were basically large, slow WRsagree 100%.
https://twitter.com/BSMotorCity/status/1548286963349798914?t=J01YEj2axNW4_B8WErRz_w&s=19the GOAT RB and greatest Detroit athlete ever imo
the GOAT RB and greatest Detroit athlete ever imoI think that might be Gordie Howe. Barry and Ty Cobb I think would be the only 2 in the discussion though.
(https://i.imgur.com/hJBRcbW.png)Rosey Grier? shook his hand as akid at the airport when my older brother was headed into the the service. Had a kid sitting on each soulder and he wore what appeared a fury vest kids all around him and a smile as wide as the boarding gate
Happy birthday ...
watched the first episode of the new HBO Hard Knocks featuring the Detroit Lions. Initial impressions: Dan Campbell might actually be a decent coach and Penei Sewell and Aidan Hutchinson both look like legit corner stone pieces on their OL and DL for the next decade. Knock on wood.And Okudah finally looks like a dude. If he and Sewell are what they appear to be, and Aiden can contribute as a rookie and be a stud by next year, we might really have something.
And Okudah finally looks like a dude. If he and Sewell are what they appear to be, and Aiden can contribute as a rookie and be a stud by next year, we might really have something.It would be nice. Guy can’t catch a break on health. He is currently splitting 1st team reps with Harris- who washed out at safety and is just learning Corner. I think Campbell is sending a clear message.
don't be giving Lion's fans hopeHa! If there’s one franchise/city that deserves a winner it’s either the Detroit Lions or Cleveland Browns. These fans/cities have suffered enough you’d think.
Jordan Love taking preseason snaps for the Packers last night. Is there an athlete we've had to hear more about yet so far see so little of on the field?Hit two to a kind of underachieving Badger and the fans on one message board are convinced the staff didn’t know how to scheme them up.
Love's stat-line was atrocious, btw: 13/24; 176 yds; 2 TDs; 3 INTs. In preseason no less.
greatest show on turf mad genius Mike Martz basically sh*tting all over Justin Fields and Trey Lance saying they both suck lolHe is a blathering idiot.
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1569709365749518342?s=20&t=5Kz3Cuu-c-MbAQ3lJMsIBg
I watched the Bears beat SF Sunday. That OL is horrible.Also, the performance of Soldier Field was a perfect demonstration of why the Bears will be playing in Arlington Heights sooner than later.
greatest show on turf mad genius Mike Martz basically sh*tting all over Justin Fields and Trey Lance saying they both suck lolMartz was ass,used sysytems passed down from Gillman & Coryell.Vermeil acquired the roster talent Warner/Faulk/Bruce/Holt/Prohl/Hakim/Pace.He was nothing special when Warner and Faulk started getting long in the tooth Martz wasn't all that on player evaluations either.As Joe Theisman said "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein"
Freakin' !+@_#*$&^%- Browns find yet another way to tank FFSGarrett Wilson tough to cover.
Garrett Wilson tough to cover.Going to be a great receiver, but not the reason the Browns lost. They lost because their coaches are stupid. Running out the clock is more important than running up the score.
Going to be a great receiver, but not the reason the Browns lost. They lost because their coaches are stupid. Running out the clock is more important than running up the score.Exactly. I really expected them to get the first down and then NOT score, but take 3 knees to run as much clock as possible, and then if any time left, kick the field goal. That would have put them up 10 with only a few seconds left.
However, being up 13 with under 2 mins and still losing is a trick that only a few teams can pull offGold Jerry Gold
Freakin' !+@_#*$&^%- Browns find yet another way to tank FFSI don't really follow the NFL and Sunday was the last day for the pool in our housing development so I was at the pool keeping an eye on kids learning to swim.
after morons in the local Detroit media were trashing Aidan Hutchinson for his rookie opener vs the Eagles- a team which happens to have maybe the best OL in all of football and one of the 3 most mobile QB's in the entire league....Hutchinson comes back week 2 and dominates with 3 sacks in the first half vs Washington and the Lions win a football game. Good to see. He's gonna be a really good one.He already is. And- he is raising the confidence and energy of the team.
I text a buddy and said the exact same thing when he missed it. his response was stop overreacting. Browns will never stop being the browns. I prefer college of the NFL because the real Browns have never returned.
Then they missed the PAT and I immediately said "Browns are going to lose this game."
I don't really follow the NFL and Sunday was the last day for the pool in our housing development so I was at the pool keeping an eye on kids learning to swim.you were eyeballing the mothers
after morons in the local Detroit media were trashing Aidan Hutchinson for his rookie opener vs the Eagles- a team which happens to have maybe the best OL in all of football and one of the 3 most mobile QB's in the entire league....Hutchinson comes back week 2 and dominates with 3 sacks in the first half vs Washington and the Lions win a football game. Good to see. He's gonna be a really good one.so, the Vikes and Cousins have no chance tonight vs the Eagles
One of yesterday's more uneventful games (San Francisco 27 – Seattle 7) is garnering plenty of headlines thanks to the offseason front office balancing of Trey Lance and Jimmy Garoppolo. 49ers spent all offseason forcing the role of Trey Lance as their leading man while relegating Garoppolo to understudy, who nevertheless is valuable enough to trade, thus reinforcing the Trey Lance as leading man narrative.It's way too early to make a judgement on either guy...but I think I am leaning towards Mike Martz' opinion of Lance and Fields....they just might not be that good. Fields might have a little bit of an excuse....Bears are a disaster. But never saw any flashes out of Lance in any of the time he's been on the field and he's got a HUGE advantage playing on a team that is good and ready to win now- that has a beast of an OL/run game, an All-Pro #1 WR in Deebo, a stud TE in Kittle, and the best offensive mind in the NFL pulling the strings.
Except nobody offers enough to trade for Garoppolo. His contract is reworked to reluctantly resign him as a backup, and after Trey Lance goes down and out for the year with a broken ankle yesterday, Garoppolo’s backup contract is what will keep San Francisco’s season on track.
Stepping in to replace Trey Lance yesterday, Garoppolo threw 13/21 for 154 yds, which isn’t great (60.6 QBR) but in Garoppolo fashion, got the job done.
Everything comes full circle when realizing that come next offseason the 49ers are back to where they started, with Trey Lance yet to prove himself and pressure over whether Garoppolo should be again resigned.
Lions bungled the hit on the 2019 and 2020 1st rounds...they take Rashan Gary, Brian Burns, or Jeffrey Simmons at #8 instead of a freaking average TE (TJ Hockenson) in 2019 and they take Tua or Justin Herbert at #3 in 2020 instead of Okudah....ughhhh....Well Okudah is contributing after getting hurt last season and ya Justin Herbert would look good under center pretty much anywhere.Plenty of teams could have moved up.But you,I or anyone else saw him coming into his own like that
Well Okudah is contributing after getting hurt last season and ya Justin Herbert would look good under center pretty much anywhere.Plenty of teams could have moved up.But you,I or anyone else saw him coming into his own like thatGlad to see Okudah has been playing really good, and I think he can be a very good NFL CB, but my stance on Okudah is same now as it was then. DUMB pick at #3 overall. Tua or Herbert were there for the taking, should've done that. With the astronomical #'s these QB's are getting these days, key to building a perennial winner imo- gotta get that top tier QB on a cheap rookie deal.
HoF nominations are out and Joe Thomas is on the list.Definite first ballot. That's not even a question imo.
First ballot? I would think so.
OL is one of the better units in the NFL, even with the injuries. You've got a talented RB-WR combo for the first time since Barry-Herman Moore. Lions rode Eric Kramer to an NFC Championship Game thanks to a great OL, and a dynamic RB-WR comboScary thing is, Jameson Williams hasn't even played a snap yet. That dude was one of the fastest people I've ever seen on a college football field. When they throw him out there with Amon-Ra St. Brown it's going to be really fun to watch.
you were eyeballing the mothersI have three kids none of whom can swim on their own yet. That doesn't leave a lot of freetime for checking out the scenery on display at the neighborhood pool.
HoF nominations are out and Joe Thomas is on the list.Without a doubt. A star on an absolute atrocious team, for a terrible organization for a long time and he did nothing but show class, work hard and perform at the highest level every year. There’s a reason he’s so loved in Cleveland because for the longest time, he was the only good thing about the Browns.
First ballot? I would think so.
Without a doubt. A star on an absolute atrocious team, for a terrible organization for a long time and he did nothing but show class, work hard and perform at the highest level every year. There’s a reason he’s so loved in Cleveland because for the longest time, he was the only good thing about the Browns.he's like a Calvin Johnson or Barry Sanders. By far the best player in the entire league at his position for about a decade but stuck on a god awful sorry sack of sh*t franchise.
I always loved that instead of going to the draft he went fishing with his dad. Just the perfect example of his character
Although neither team is very good, I am excited to have WVU-Va Tech on tonight.Same. That's the Thursday Night Big East flavor I grew up on
youse Browns and Squeeler fans got yer Prime Video services warmed up?Unless it's the Cowboys, I'll watch almost any college game over any NFL game on a Thursday night.
I'll be watching college football this evening
youse Browns and Squeeler fans got yer Prime Video services warmed up?Wish I could, I have a HS Varsity Football Tonight. I am going to miss the OSU-Wisc game on Saturday doing another Varsity HS football game. This official shortages is killing my football watching.
I'll be watching college football this evening
near future NFL HOFerway too early to say....he looks great and should just get better and better....but biggest part of making the HOF is injury luck. Thought Jake Long was well on his HOF way after his first 4-5 years and then injuries pretty much destroyed his career.
Seems like the new Vikings OC thinks he has an OL and a 2nd WR with these long developing playsYeah, this feels like a hire solely based off previous success instead of chance to succeed with current personnel
Adam Thielen is aging and not what he once was.He has made a career out of being a decent #2 behind stud #1s. The Lions were covering him like he was a threat, when KJ Osborn is a better player
As far as the Refs and Jefferson, he was playing at home
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/309370809_1766412877058500_3409351776824441952_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ji5gJj1qcvQAX8kU-ZN&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8EqdZdmVS8bgziGbJwEyRVtivnCvwMrIN3a5d-pnP3ZQ&oe=633620E5)Hutch is a rookie playing his 3rd nfl game ever and he’s playing injured. Not sure that’s an accomplishment or anything…
Christian is in his 2nd NFL seasonI hear ya, but I wouldn't be proclaiming the guy elite because he slowed down a rookie that is playing injured and has only played in 2 other NFL games ever. All I'm saying. If he erases like Von Miller or one of the Bosa brothers....then go ahead and have at it.
Vikings haven't had an O-linemen of this caliber since Steve Hutchinson
besides, my FB feed is littered with Purple crap
https://twitter.com/shannonsharpeee/status/1574572001842253824?s=20&t=oeI1xF6zUv2HUk7wC2SGNQ
has Troy always stuttered like this or has he just had too many concussions?
Lamb had a couple really bad drops early in the game, but he redeemed himself at the end of the game on that last drive.This is basically what he's been, in Dallas. Some drops of easy balls, and some circus catches. He's consistently inconsistent.
he's shocking the heck out of me, if this is the Jeff Okudah we get going forward Lions will be A OK.That’s the guy we had at OSU. Incredibly intelligent. WAs just a case of learning the system and getting healthy
Maybe it takes defensive players a minute? So also maybe lay off Aidan Hutchinson's bad start?Aidan hasn't had a bad start imo. He's been more than decent if you ask me- and he's working through an injury rn.
The NFL’s most impressive surprise so far has to be the Jagger Wires. Blowouts are hard to come by in pro football and Jacksonville has reeled off two straight – 24-0 over the and 38-10 over the Chargers.yeah, the Jags have been a huge surprise. Is Doug Pederson really that good or was Urban Meyer just that bad of an NFL coach?
Trevor Lawrence looks the every bit the part of a first draft pick, and on field plays with a big presence in the backfield. Most of Lawrence’s passing stats rank in the top 10.
The defense, while giving up a lot of yards, are 5th best for points allowed.
The Dolphins remain an absolute dumpster fire of an organizationfor real....
also...the NFL just needs to get rid of the Thursday night game or do this....Absolutely. The product is shit. And yet because it still gets numbers, they've stopped putting decent college games on Thursday night. It might as well just be maction at this point
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1575664385174929408?s=20&t=eMlJWM83kwaqHAH5czLCrw
Absolutely. The product is shit. And yet because it still gets numbers, they've stopped putting decent college games on Thursday night. It might as well just be maction at this pointMACTION
The Dolphins remain an absolute dumpster fire of an organization
Dolphins medical staff should've never allowed him back in the Bills game, then to turn around and let him play again less than 5 days only to get another more serious head injury....damn. If I'm Tua's family I am suing the Dolphins and the NFL for a shitload of money.You do know that to get through concussion protocol in the NFL you have to be cleared by an independent medical examination. The Dolphins medical staff had nothing to do with allowing him back in the game if he was under the NFL's concussion protocols.
Yeah, they called it a "back injury"yup. they went into cover up mode. he was clearly out of it after getting slammed to the ground and bouncing his head off the turf. looks like a typical back injury....
Absolutely. The product is shit. And yet because it still gets numbers, they've stopped putting decent college games on Thursday night. It might as well just be maction at this point
Yup. Like I said before, I'll watch the very worst college game on a Thursday night, over the very best NFL game, unless my NFL team is one of them.the NFL Thursday night product is garbage. They can't keep having guys play with only 3 days rest. Just get rid of it already imo.
But even so, I'd prefer some actual good college matchups on Thursday night, but the boring-ass No Fun League has basically killed that option. Fargin bastages.
the NFL Thursday night product is garbage. They can't keep having guys play with only 3 days rest. Just get rid of it already imo.Bezos would be angry
Seahawks march right down the field with no pressure from the DL, and then the offense comes out and throws it short of the sticks on 3rd and 5. It's like I get to watch the same team twice each weekend.And the shitty kicking game to boot
same old Lions, lol. getting beat down at home by one of the worst teams in the nfl and making Geno Smith look like an All-Pro QB.Offense is down their best RB, two best WRs, and a pair of starting OL, so the offense struggling is sort of expected, even as bad as Seattles defense is. But the front seven is getting absolutely nothing on Geno. After seeing how bad the Vikings OL is, and the Lions didn't get much pressure last week, I should have expected it
Offense is down their best RB, two best WRs, and a pair of starting OL, so the offense struggling is sort of expected, even as bad as Seattles defense is. But the front seven is getting absolutely nothing on Geno. After seeing how bad the Vikings OL is, and the Lions didn't get much pressure last week, I should have expected ittrue, just expected more. don't know why. maybe I was buying into the hard knocks hype. I really like Brad Holmes and his drafting, but not a believer in Dan Campbell like at all. Think he's too meat head and rah rah to be an NFL coach.
2 missed PATsdraft the kicker from Maryland or Moody in 2023, don't even mess around.
Maybe retire?yeah it's kind of sad, he's just hanging on and he's a washed up version of his former great self. hate to see players that hang on for dear life chasing this or that when they just aren't what they used to be. he's a surefire 1st ballot HOF, he's got nothing to prove to anybody.
https://twitter.com/JJWatt/status/1576606541213360128?t=zgi7nq1difJ53b9r-LXO5A&s=19
Lol, the ref accidentally stopped the clock so the Seahawks get a second chance at 3rd down, because of courseAnd they've now picked up the flag twice on Seattle penalties. Unreal, if it wasn't the most Lions thing ever
And on the re-do, the Seahawks score a 36 yard TD
Hutchinson gets baited and pinned inside on every run play. I liked him over Thibodaux based on Hutchinson being the worse pass rusher, but better all around player, but he continuously gets smoked on run plays. If this is who he is, that is yet another draft whiff by the LionsHe's a better player than Thibedoux. By a lot. It's his 4th NFL game ever. Relax. He's playing through injury, and looked like he injured his arm. He was leading all NFL rookies in pressures through 3 games. He plays for a meat head coach, a DC who is terrible, and on a god awful shit defense. They need to replace the head coach, defensive staff, and get some players around him- because the team just kinda sucks.
yeah so looks like DK Metcalf was 100% correct on that ish he was talking about Okudah. DK was right- he's not a #1 CB.He's good against speed guys. He can't physical up a freak like Metcalf. And it doesn't help that his whole DL is total shit, and the CB playing opposite him drew 6 flags last week
This has to be the worst DL in the NFLit's the worst defense period in the NFL. Their LB's are hot f**king garbage as is their secondary. They need a complete rebuild on that side of the ball. Need co-ordinator change, need to draft heavy defense in 2023, spend $$$$$ on defensive F/A's, and need to make a trade or two if possible for some defensive players before the Nov 1 deadline. I'd do whatever it took to try and get Roquan Smith from Chicago. Not sure they'd trade in the division- but I'd sure as hell try.
Can't wait for the Lions to lose to Brian f***ing Hoyer next weekget used to losing...they had the #2 pick in the draft for a reason- this team sucks. So does it's coaching staff. They need to take a hatchet to the coaching staff in the off-season. Only coach I'd keep is Ben Johnson. Sh*t I'd actually probably promote him to head coach and replace everyone else.
He's good against speed guys. He can't physical up a freak like Metcalf. And it doesn't help that his whole DL is total shit, and the CB playing opposite him drew 6 flags last weekhe's a reliable, startable NFL CB. Never said he wasn't. I think he's a good player, but nothing beyond that. Still think it was a bad #3 pick. You don't take a starting CB that high- you take a generational one that high. He's not that- and never was that in college. It was just a stupid pick. Hockenson was an ASS #8 overall pick as well. Part of the reason why the Lions have sucked forever. Their drafting has been atrocious and stupid.
It's sad when Hockenson is only the second biggest waste of a pick on a TE in recent memory (Eric Ebron). And Brandon Pettigrew is out there too as a mid 1st round pick. This organization just loves tight endsLions are a shit org. This team DL and Hutchinson would look A LOT better as a rookie if he's playing opposite Rashan Gary or next to Jeffrey Simmons. Those are two ELITE DL right now in the NFL. How the EFF you take a TE over a DL is literally beyond me....but whatever- that's the Lions for you.
Rodgers was 4-11 for 44 yards 0 TD and 1 INT at the half, Green Bay down 10-7 to New England. I understand he lost all his weapons...but damn he has not looked like himself this year.Good for him. He was a dud in college
Rashan Gary continuing to just break out and play like an All-Pro. 7 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 TFL, 1 Forced Fumble, and 1 Fumble recovery in the first half. He's been dominating New England and helping keep Green Bay in this game- GB offense has done nothing. They really need to figure out that offense because they'll be wasting maybe the best defense Rodgers has had since they won the Super Bowl 12 years ago.
Good for him. He was a dud in collegeHe was hardly a dud. He was a very good college player, he just never became the dominant force he has become in the NFL. His true frosh year he was just a rotational guy and buried on the depth chart on a defensive line that was loaded. His true soph year he was really damn good- but not consistent enough. His junior year was tanked by shoulder injury in which he missed nearly half the season- and Don Brown honestly was using him wrong- wasn't letting him rush the passer enough and trying to just make him set the edge and be an inside run stuffing player- not an outside edge rusher.
Doesn't seem like Aaron Rodgers has given a shit in years. Biggest waste of QB talent since Jeff Georgeyeah that seems like a little bit of a stretch. George kinda sucked at being an NFL QB and he never won sh%t. Rodgers has won 1 Super Bowl, has put up crazy stats, and won 4 MVPs and made double digit Pro Bowls/All-Pros. George never even made a Pro Bowl. You can make a great case Rodgers is the best regular season QB ever- an even better regular season QB than Peyton.
Congrats on putting up big numbers in an era where everything was slanted for QBs. Only time he won shit was the one year when he had an elite defense. I actually think he is the most talented quarterback in the history of the NFL, but I don't think he ever gave two shits about winningI don't think it's that. I think he's basically the LeBron of the NFL. Probably most talented player at his position ever- but a MAJOR bitch/diva who is a p**sy and doesn't have the crazy will/heart/killer in him like a Jordan or Brady.
Vikings OL not make the trip?made for an exciting game down to the wire for the fans across the pond
Man considering the Rams front office mortgaged the future for this team - it's not boding well methinks.Ya got your Hardware but a couple of runs should be a forgone conclusion and right now it doesn't appear sohey at least they got a super bowl out of it. I'd love to see the Lions mortgage the future just once go all in and try to actually win something. kudos for the Rams for trying to win- they pulled it off.
CBS Sports latest 2023 mock draft….do the people that work there smoke meth?It looks like straight up potential is all the rage for QBs again. IMO Josh Allen caused people to lose their minds (in another universe, Allen is traded post year 2 and is a career backup getting little snaps/development in his next team - the Bills to their credit were very patient most teams aren't). Kyle Boller and Jake Locker might go 1-2 in next year's draft.
They have QB Will Levis going #1 overall to Seattle and QB Anthony Richardson going #3 overall to Atlanta. LOL. Serious question- is Richardson even draftable?
Bryce Young doesn’t go til #12 to the Giants, CJ Stroud til #6 to Carolina- LOL. Both those guys will be gone top 3. And they have the Lions taking a CB that I’ve never even heard of at #9 overall. Lions won’t be drafting that high- this team sucks- and they need defensive lineman and LB’s way more than they need another CB.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2023-nfl-mock-draft-will-levis-goes-no-1-overall-anthony-richardson-second-qb-off-board/
It looks like straight up potential is all the rage for QBs again. IMO Josh Allen caused people to lose their minds (in another universe, Allen is traded post year 2 and is a career backup getting little snaps/development in his next team - the Bills to their credit were very patient most teams aren't). Kyle Boller and Jake Locker might go 1-2 in next year's draft.I mean how many current top QBs were drafted at the top of their draft? Hell Josh Allen was drafted higher than Brady, Rodgers, Lamar, Dak, Jalen Hurts, Cousins, Garapolo, Russell Wilson, etc...
I never thought Richardson looked like a pro QB but good for him I guess.
How did Russell Wilson get so bad, so fast? And will John Elway ever not chase a past his prime QB?Yeah it is kind of shocking to see Wilson struggle so badly. He’s not that old. You thought he had another 5+ high level years out of him. Guess not.
Is he making bad throws and bad decisionsYes, he threw two bad picks, and missed a WIDE open TD on the final play of the game
Yes, he threw two bad picks, and missed a WIDE open TD on the final play of the gamehttps://twitter.com/MLozada/status/1578237337972006917?t=jV1oS4204WERotGQaTcI8w&s=19
Lions really gonna lose to a 3rd string rookie QB whose OC is Matt Patricia. F this team.Even worse, he only put up like 20 points on the MSU defense last year
Lions really gonna lose to a 3rd string rookie QB whose OC is Matt Patricia.Now that's funny
Eagles beat the Cards by 3 to move to 5-0 and remain the only undefeated team in the NFL. Looking like the favorites right now in the NFC with Green Bay, LA, and Tampa all struggling.Dallas is going to take down the hated iggles and their worst-fans-on-the-planet next Sunday night.
Eagles beat the Cards by 3 to move to 5-0 and remain the only undefeated team in the NFL. Looking like the favorites right now in the NFC with Green Bay, LA, and Tampa all struggling.Based on the steaming pile of canine excrement that is quarterbacking in the NFC, it's not crazy to think they're going to be 14-3 or better and clinch the 1 seed on Christmas Eve in Dallas.
Based on the steaming pile of canine excrement that is quarterbacking in the NFC, it's not crazy to think they're going to be 14-3 or better and clinch the 1 seed on Christmas Eve in Dallas.
The Cowboys are going to have a QB controversy when Dak gets healthy, and when you have 2 QBs you have no QBs.
The Niners should have traded for Rodgers in the offseason. GB needs to blow up and rebuild, and the Niners could have been in Philly's position.
Secondly, they are paying Dak like $45 million a season and they can't cut or trade him or they'll be in salary cap hell- he ain't going anywhere but back on the field when he's ready to play.That's the biggest thing. If this was an uncapped league, and you could trade him for equal value...maybe. But it's not, and you can't, and you aren't benching that much money
Based on the steaming pile of canine excrement that is quarterbacking in the NFC, it's not crazy to think they're going to be 14-3 or better and clinch the 1 seed on Christmas Eve in Dallas.Can we also discuss how dumb a 17 game regular season is? I thought the NFL had great schedule balance, and scarcity at 16 games. If you are ditching that, then just go to 18. 17 just always looks like you have 1 game to play
Granted I can’t think of a worse defending Super Bowl champ than the Rams (OL a disaster, can’t run the ball, defense doesn’t have an instinct to get off the field), but the Cowboys, dominating the Rams 22-10 yesterday, have been impressive since looking terrible Vs the Bucs on opening week.3 Super Bowl champs in the past decade failed to make the playoffs the following year. Granted they all finished at or over .500, even though the 2013 Ravens were 4-6 before finishing 4-2 in meaningless games.
Every sports talk show will lead with something along the lines of hyping up the drama of what do the Cowboys do when Dak is recovered and cleared from injuries? Bench Cooper Rush who is 4-0 since taking over?
3 Super Bowl champs in the past decade failed to make the playoffs the following year. Granted they all finished at or over .500, even though the 2013 Ravens were 4-6 before finishing 4-2 in meaningless games.yeah I think that was the year that Terrell Davis tore up his knee and missed that entire season- that injury basically ended what was looking like a 1st ballot HOF RB career. I think that was also Shannon Sharpe's last year in Denver and he missed like half that year with injury. Imagine trying to overcome losing John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Shannon Sharpe all in the same year. Makes sense why you'd get 6-10.
The last Super Bowl champion to finish under .500 the following year was the 2003 Buccaneers, who went 7-9. The 1999 Denver Broncos went 6-10, but John Elway retired.
Granted I can’t think of a worse defending Super Bowl champ than the Rams (OL a disaster, can’t run the ball, defense doesn’t have an instinct to get off the field), but the Cowboys, dominating the Rams 22-10 yesterday, have been impressive since looking terrible Vs the Bucs on opening week.The only reason why I gave the Rams a chance to defend the title was because the NFC looked so weak pre-season. There was a whiff of this is our final chance last year, kind of like the Ravens when they won it.
Every sports talk show will lead with something along the lines of hyping up the drama of what do the Cowboys do when Dak is recovered and cleared from injuries? Bench Cooper Rush who is 4-0 since taking over?
He's Jeff Fisher 2.0yeah, I'll never understand these NFL retreads. Seriously, like obviously the guy is an average at best coach. You're not winning sh*t with him. Don't understand how the same guys keep getting jobs. Look at Lovie Smith in Houston. It's like, c'mon man.
I hate that I know so much about the NFL, my traditional interest being limited to rooting for former LSU kids to have good games, and most often not watching at all. But now I'm married to a woman who is a Cowboys fan in particular and a sports-ball fan in general, so I'm subjected to most every game that comes on TV.someone needs to send your post to Dan Campbell the king of "fk it let's go for it on 4th down....dA aNaLyTicS sAy ItLl WeRk dErP."
I'm about done with "analytics." I've lost count of how many times just this season (okay, well, it's like 5 or 6, but still...) an NFL team has made bone-headed decisions that likely cost them the game. For some reason it offends my sensibilities.
It makes me wonder exactly how analytics are tracked. Because on the surface it appears nothing more nuanced than "Play X has Y chance of succeeding." Which....is something, I guess. In reality the chances of a play succeeding can't be evaluated in a vacuum. The score differential and time left in the game matter greatly. The risk/reward is constantly changing based on those factors. If a play has a 65% chance of working in a vacuum, it matters if the reward is high and risk is low, or if it's the other way around.
Just this past week I saw the Broncos, Raiders and the Bengals do some dumb things were ill-advised and it cost them. It's not a case of hindsight....it was easy to see they'd be in better shape if they played more safe. I'm all for going for it on 4th down or spurning a FG in favor of trying for a TD, or 2 pt. conversion instead of kicking an extra point......when it's warranted. There are times when it doesn't matter if a play succeeds 90% of the time, the risk/reward says don't do it.
In every situation the broadcasters keep talking about the analytics. I'm sitting there like "Say analytics one more time...."
man Carson Wentz sucks. Not sure I've ever seen a fall quite like his...
Damn, figured once they changed the name their problem would be solved. It's crazy how long it's been for so much NFL legacy franchises to even be in a conference championship.
Redskins/Commanders - Divisional Round in 2005, Conference Finals 1991
Bears - Divisional Round and Conference Finals 2010
I forgot to mention that the play wrt to the teams matters as well. The odds of 4th and 2 succeeding necessarily changes based on 1) what play do you run, and how good are you at running it? 2) how good is the other team at defending that kind of play? I just don't see a way that "analytics" can be some hard and fast rule.This makes me think you're misunderstanding things. The way you describe it is like how people like to compare groups, not knowing that comparing individuals within those groups tells you almost nothing about those individuals.
Herbie is just there collecting checks (can't say I blame him). His analysis is strictly "I remember this guy in college".
The "go for it on 4th and 2 from x-yard line" is "just" an average line in the sand, but it takes into account all that you mentioned. All the play types and qualities of teams and the ebbs and flows of success. It's a number to inform a coach. I may not want to go for it in the first quarter, as getting in an early hole is something I really want to avoid, even if the likelihood is technically "worth it."
Baron Browning is looking like a stud for the Broncos as an OLB/Rush LB and a potential steal as a 3rd pick. Kinda makes you wonder why Ohio State used him as a MIKE LB and didn't use him as a pass rusher/OLB. Dude was an OMG 5 STARZ and top 10 player overall in his class and his college career was pretty meh.Revolving door of defensive coaches while he was there,Schiano,Mattison,Hafley,Grinch,Washington.They didn't utilize him correctly for sure
Lions still need all kinds of front seven help. Hutchinson I think will be fine, and Malcolm Rodriguez looks like a steal, but you can't have your two best front seven players be rookies.I don't believe in Will Levis at all. The only QBs I'd touch in the first this draft are Bryce or CJ Stroud and that's basically it.
If either Will Anderson or Jalen Carter is there with their first pick, you jump on them. I think I prefer Carter. Honestly, if Will Levis is there late first, you kind of have to take him, but he won't be. He's going top 5. And I don't necessarily disagree. I'm not convinced he's worse than Stroud. Depending on whether they go interior line (Carter) or LB (Anderson) with their first pick, I'd take the opposite out of LB Isaiah Foskey (ND) or DL Gervon Dexter (Florida) with the second pick.
Im a little intrigued by KJ Jefferson at the top of the 2nd, if they are going to go QB early
Panthers trade RB Christian McCaffrey to the 49ers for 2nd, 3rd & 4th round picks in 2023 and a 5th round pick in 2024. Wow. I'm thinking he's about to explode in that Shannahan offense.SF should have sent that trade package to Green Bay in the off-season for Aaron Rodgers. They're gonna look really stupid when McCaffrey gets hurt before Thanksgiving and is out for the season.
and the Redskins pull within 4!"how dare you, they're the Commanders now you nazi!"
Good thing Detroit gave Dan Campbell a 6 year contractThis team has 2 first rd picks in 2023 and should actually have cap space to sign F/As after this year.
Goff…maaaan. Better off just throwing it away. Jourdan Lewis might’ve just put the dagger with that INT on his hometown child hood team. Appears to have injured himself in the process.Granted, I hate the rule, but I have never seen a suplex takedown not flagged...until the prior play. Granted after 2014 down there, you have to know what to expect
Granted, I hate the rule, but I have never seen a suplex takedown not flagged...until the prior play. Granted after 2014 down there, you have to know what to expectDallas definitely been beneficiaries of some home cooking. Have to expect that a little bit and play through it.
This team has 2 first rd picks in 2023 and should actually have cap space to sign F/As after this year.Took them half a season to figure out how to use Hutchinson, and not some like deep game film shit, just reading interviews given by the Michigan coaches. But then somehow, they can't figure out how to use him, and have him out covering slot receivers. Like "well, if you don't want to be a true 4-3 DE, then we are going to make you cover receivers," His pass rushing has been the best it's been all season, and then the staff negates it, by putting him in impossible coverage situations. Unbelievable.
They have a really nice young core of guys. They need to fire Campbell right now and stop wasting time. Name Ben Johnson HC for the interim. Try to go all in on Sean Payton. This team could be really good with the right coaching and a good 2023 draft and some key FA signings.
Took them half a season to figure out how to use Hutchinson, and not some like deep game film shit, just reading interviews given by the Michigan coaches. But then somehow, they can't figure out how to use him, and have him out covering slot receivers. Like "well, if you don't want to be a true 4-3 DE, then we are going to make you cover receivers," His pass rushing has been the best it's been all season, and then the staff negates it, by putting him in impossible coverage situations. Unbelievable.this coaching staff is a clown show. I think the only legit coach they have is Ben Johnson. they need to make the change now.
Malcolm Rodriguez has hit a bit of a rookie wall
Goff with a couple of unforgivable turnovers latethis might be the worst I've ever seen him in a Lions uniform. he's been baaaaaaaad.
Imagine hating your wife so much that you would rather go back and lose to Pittsburgh and Carolina in back to back weeks, than try to figure that outyeah dude just blew up his entire marriage to lose to Mitch Tribusky lead Steelers team and to a Carolina Panthers team that just traded away their best player in CMC and their #2 WR in Anderson for a ham sammich. Should've just kept his ass retired lol.
Here in Florida it is incredibly rare to have a televised Detroit Lions game.Idk why I still watch this team. They ain't ever winning jack til they get new ownership. Ford family is the worst thing that's ever happened to that team. The state should force them to sell it to Jeff Bezos or something.
But today’s game is televised here. So like an idiot I watched it for about 10 minutes.
It looks the same to me as it looked 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, nothing ever changes.
I just wish the Lions could have one great year so all those people in Michigan could party like there’s no tomorrow. That town would go nuts.
Ford family is the worst thing that's ever happened to that teamSale was approved on November 22, 1963. I stand by that being the worst thing to happen that day
Jeff Okudah had maybe his best day as a Detroit Lion. Aidan Hutchinson did as well. These guys are super young and super talented, but super green. Okudah is basically a rookie and Hutch is a rookie.And don't forget their second #1 pick from last year hasn't even dressed yet.
And don't forget their second #1 pick from last year hasn't even dressed yet.True. Jameson Williams is going to be a stud when he can finally play. But it won't matter with this coaching.
But this staff won't do shit with it
It's been 3 years and Joe Burrow is still beating the hell out of Georgia.dude is the heir apparent to Brady. Mahomes and Josh Allen get all the pub and rightfully so, those guys are awesome, but Burrow is in that same class.
also: how many national titles would Ohio State have won if they had gone with Joe Burrow instead of Dwayne Haskins? 2? 3?
also: how many national titles would Ohio State have won if they had gone with Joe Burrow instead of Dwayne Haskins? 2? 3?Likely zero. But maybe 1. At most
dude is the heir apparent to Brady. Mahomes and Josh Allen get all the pub and rightfully so, those guys are awesome, but Burrow is in that same class.
...if they can figure out how to stop him from getting lit up at a record pace. If not, he's going the way of RG3 and his broke-down body will be out of the league in one of the bigger wastes in nfl history.Like Justin Fields. It’s sad to watch.
Like Justin Fields. It’s sad to watch.yeah but the crazy thing is Burrow has no OL and he still plays at an All-Pro level. Fields sucks without an OL, as most QBs would. Burrow hasn't had an OL since day one in the NFL and has just been stupid good and even dragged a team to the Super Bowl.
yeah but the crazy thing is Burrow has no OL and he still plays at an All-Pro level. Fields sucks without an OL, as most QBs would. Burrow hasn't had an OL since day one in the NFL and has just been stupid good and even dragged a team to the Super Bowl.No comparison. Just watch the Bears once. He usually has defensive players getting to him at the same time he gets the ball.
yeah but the crazy thing is Burrow has no OL and he still plays at an All-Pro level. Fields sucks without an OL, as most QBs would. Burrow hasn't had an OL since day one in the NFL and has just been stupid good and even dragged a team to the Super Bowl.
Some of you guys who really pay attention to the league may know the answer to a question I have.obviously not enough suitable tackles in the NFL, right side or left side
Bengals have a RT named Lael Collins who I know about only because he fits my only interest in the NFL, which is spotting former Tigers and rooting for them to have a good game. He did play LT at LSU for his final two seasons, but we were always lead to believe he projected as a guard in the pros. He was taken by the Cowboys and iirc originally played LG for them, where he was an absolute beast. Next thing I knew, they moved him to RT where he was "okay" but also good for a couple costly false starts per game. Now he's been traded to the Bengals--still playing RT--where in the admittedly infrequent looks I get of him, he looks dismal.
This may not be the board for Dallas fans who would know such a thing, but my question is why was he ever put at tackle when he was such a monster at guard? Doesn't look like tackle suits him OR the teams employing him.
perhaps Jalen Hurts has been coached up and has worked on his craftHe has an arm to can get it down field so they have to play him honest.Thought the Ravens would be much better this season,they beat the Browns but then again most do.Not sure what to make of lamar
he does seem much more accurate with the ball than he did in college
Fast-forward to 2019, he faced a somewhat lesser Tiger defense in the playoffs, and when his OU linemen couldn't overwhelm everybody, he was who I thought he was--a guy who can do some nice things when everybody around him is better than the other team.
Justin Fields was on one tonighthe looked great. really flashed. finally. it’s about time he and that offense put it together. And it was vs a really good D and Belichik, which is even more impressive.
maybe Ellingher can run for his lifeThat's exactly what he did for 5 years behind UT's piss poor o-line, so he's used to it. I sure hope his insurance is all paid up.
Matty leading the league in sacks and INTs
6th in yards/game, 5th in Comp%, aren't the problem
They won't. This is the Bears were talking about. Any QB drafted early by the Bears is highly likely to end up a bust.I said maybe...
just trying every option hoping to uncover the next Tom Bradystarting to look like the guy is an all-time great DC and defensive mind but maybe not the GOAT head coach (I still stick by Bill Walsh being the GOAT) and a pretty awful GM when it comes to drafting, and the dude hit the fkn lottery when he drafted Brady in the 6th rd.
Belichick was pathetic - really at evaluating Collegiate talent.Draft after draft in Cleveland his 1st rd pix were used/spent trying to put lipstick on a pig.He didn't do a whole lot better except for Brady and few others in N.E. He'd recycle NFL players picked off of the pile and squeeze what he could out of them their last couple of yrs.That he did fairly wellPretty sure a lot of their top flight guys on D like Lawyer Milloy, Seymour, and Law were already there. He traded for/signed some good F/A like Fred Taylor, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Rodney Harrison. He drafted Gronk and Wilfork and a couple good OLs. Those were basically the only other really high level players he drafted besides Brady. He pretty much whiffed on every other position he drafted in the first 3 rounds.
starting to look like the guy is an all-time great DC and defensive mind but maybe not the GOAT head coach (I still stick by Bill Walsh being the GOAT) and a pretty awful GM when it comes to drafting, and the dude hit the fkn lottery when he drafted Brady in the 6th rd.I'm gonna go with the guy whose name is on the trophy. The one Bill Walsh won a few times.
I'm gonna go with the guy whose name is on the trophy. The one Bill Walsh won a few times.yeah he's way up there too.....I feel like the NFL championships should count same as super bowl wins. you count those he's got 5 in 9 seasons in GB, and he actually went to a 6th but lost. 5-1 in Championship games with 5 Championships in 9 seasons is pretty god damn impressive.
Pretty sure a lot of their top flight guys on D like Lawyer Milloy, Seymour, and Law were already there. He traded for/signed some good F/A like Fred Taylor, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Rodney Harrison. He drafted Gronk and Wilfork and a couple good OLs. Those were basically the only other really high level players he drafted besides Brady. He pretty much whiffed on every other position he drafted in the first 3 rounds.It was the '94 draft and Belichick had chubbies for tight ends and fullbacks.So he is all set to pick Kyle Brady(there's that name again) a TE from Penn St with the 10 pick in the 1st rd.Problem was the Jets took him 9th,literally Belichick was shocked to the point of being catatonic/unresposive.Think the brainiac might have a plan "B"? But N-O-O-O,15 minutes goes bye and he almost loses the pick.Instead of trading down and thinking about it he hits the panic button and drafts Craig Powell LB Ohio State who played 14 games across 3 seasons and missed his Sr Season with a ripped up knee.I know CFB/tOSU and people are asking me who he was and i quite frankly forgot about him and immediately wanted to strangle Belishit .Guy misses a whole freakin' season with a bad knee and that creek chub takes him 1st :character0029:. Before that epiphany a year or two earlier he took Touchdown Tommy Vardell in the 1st rd - a 2-3 yd specialist about as quick as a slug with salt on it - a strong case could have been made then and there for Bill B. being an autistic inbred - with absolutely no disrespect for the disabled. It was like watching these woke trangender freaks who think their college debts should be ripped up and men can have babies :017: scratching your head wondering is this really happening.Well sure a shit Browns fans can asure you that it did
They had to beat the Lions in the NFC Championship Game
that '91 team buzz sawed just about everybody. Always miffed why some discount that team relative to other all-timers.
I kinda felt bad for Mac Jones. You're out for a while and rusty, while you're getting back in the flow some DB makes an incredible play on the ball, and you're benched the rest of the way. So the guy who filled in for your comes in, who's been in the rhythm with the team lately, and provides a spark, but then subsequently starts likewise sucking, and you still don't get your number called again.
I think probably Jones is a much better QB than Belichik was treating him, but hey, if he wants to go with the Steve Spurrier School Of QB Management, that's his prerogative.
For the Cowboys game against the Bears, the NFL has given its approval for a rare "color vs. color" game. The Cowboys, who usually wear white at home, will be making a switch to their standard navy blue jersey for this week's game. To give you an idea of how rare that is, the Cowboys have existed since 1960 and they didn't wear their standard navy blue jersey at home for the first time until 2013. (The Cowboys had worn navy at home before that, but it was always a throwback jersey, not their standard one).Another reason to despise Halloween.
As for the Bears, they'll be going all-orange: Chicago will be rocking its orange helmet with an orange jersey for just the second time this year. Although the Bears have worn an orange jersey multiple times throughout history, they had never worn an orange helmet until Week 6 of this season.
For a long time we had the most former players in the NFL, though I'm sure we've been passed up by Alabama now, probably Georgia and Ohio State too (I'm guessing...I don't know any numbers). But spotting 9 players in a single game is something I've never seen before.Top 10 active players on NFL rosters on opening week 1 2022...
I heard en passant on the local news that they Falcons are in first place, which obviously is false.
Most players that leave Detroit end up in the Pro Bowl. It’s uncanny.LMAO. You ain't lying. Watch him go on to be the best TE in the NFL.
Most players that leave Detroit end up in the Pro Bowl. It’s uncanny.Do they? I think most wind up being the same busts they were in Detroit
Do they? I think most wind up being the same busts they were in Detroitwell Kyle Van Noy was pretty awesome when he left Detroit.
LMAO. You ain't lying. Watch him go on to be the best TE in the NFL.This implies that Kirk Cousins can get him the ball.
congrats on getting the average TE Vikes fans. should tell you all you need to know how average this guy is that the Lions traded him in division. probably an even bigger Top 10 bust of a pick than Butterfingers Ebron. At least Ebron had some explosion to him and could block a little bit. Hockenson moves around with the fluidity and explosion of a 94 year old woman.Hockenson is miles better than Ebron. All the speed in the world doesn't help you if you can't catch a single ball
I'm just happy the Lions were able to get something for him and not let him walk for nothing- and even more happy that they weren't fking stupid and re-signed him to an overpriced big deal. Save the cap space. Get some defensive help in free agency.
This implies that Kirk Cousins can get him the ball.Considering he's #4 in NFL history in completion percentage, getting the ball to who he wants to has never been his issue. Any halfway decent TE should eat. Just like a pure possession receiver like Thielen.
This implies that Kirk Cousins can get him the ball.
Top 10 active players on NFL rosters on opening week 1 2022...
Hard to believe Texas is not hanging around the top. No good reason they shouldn't be.Yeah it’s almost inexcusable for Texas to not be top 10 in that.
Considering he's #4 in NFL history in completion percentage, getting the ball to who he wants to has never been his issue. Any halfway decent TE should eat. Just like a pure possession receiver like Thielen.The minute his games start being played in prime time he melts. He's the ultimate stat sheet filler.
The minute his games start being played in prime time he melts. He's the ultimate stat sheet filler.Yes, but the issue isn't getting the balls to guys. He has plenty of issues, but he's actually historically great at that one specific thing
The GOAT has to be done after this season, right?
Yeah Tom really screwed up coming back imo.Russell Wilson and his agent did a hell of a job getting the Broncos to sign him to a new deal. Anyone who watched him in Seattle last year knew he was cooked.
Never really paid attention or noticed before, but does anyone else get weirded out by Russell Wilson? I legit think the guy might be a serial killer.
Russell Wilson and his agent did a hell of a job getting the Broncos to sign him to a new deal. Anyone who watched him in Seattle last year knew he was cooked.I was more talking about the off-field stuff and his social media and commercials. Never really saw them before. Dude gives up crazy red flag cringe weirdo vibes. Like I wouldn't be shocked at all if it comes out in 30 years he was going around killing hookers every night during the off-season.
The apparent parity in the NFL has knocked my interest to zero. The difference between teams that are 7-1 and 4-4 is often miniscule.I think that's what makes the NFL great. Kinda gets boring AF when it's the same team winning every year like it does with CFB. Up until UGA flipped the switch last year- it's basically been hand the trophy to BAMA or Clemson, why even play the season?
| [th]YEAR[/th] [th]CHAMPION[/th] [th]SELECTING ORGANIZATION[/th] | ||
| 2021 | Georgia | CFP |
| 2020 | Alabama | CFP |
| 2019 | LSU | CFP |
| 2018 | Clemson | CFP |
| 2017 | Alabama | CFP |
| 2016 | Clemson | CFP |
| 2015 | Alabama | CFP |
| 2014 | Ohio State | CFP |
| 2013 | Florida State | BCS |
| 2012 | Alabama | BCS |
| 2011 | Alabama | BCS |
| 2010 | Auburn | BCS |
| 2009 | Alabama | BCS |
| 2008 | Florida | BCS |
| 2007 | LSU | BCS |
| 2006 | Florida | BCS |
| 2005 | Texas | BCS |
| 2004 | Southern California | BCS |
| 2003 | LSU, Southern California | BCS, AP, FWAA |
I think that's what makes the NFL great. Kinda gets boring AF when it's the same team winning every year like it does with CFB. Up until UGA flipped the switch last year- it's basically been hand the trophy to BAMA or Clemson, why even play the season?And yet the Lions defy the odds
And yet the Lions defy the oddsthat is honestly the crazy thing about the Lions. I think every team in the NFL has gone from worst to first or at least played in the Super Bowl. With the exception of them. Sucky teams always turn it around in the NFL. Except for the Lions. They always suck.
Didn't the Lions have a QB win the SB? Does that count?I was rooting like hell for him. he's a great guy and player. but doesn't count.
Didn't the Lions have a QB win the SB? Does that count?Ask AT&T
I watched about 5 min if the last Falcons game, I was channel surfing, and dozed off. I just don't care for the NFL.
Nor the NBA. I do get pretty excited by real sports like wrestle mania.
Justin Fields had himself a day, even in a losing effort. His best game as a pro so far.https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-justin-fields-long-touchdown-run-vs-dolphins-twitter-reaction-week-9/
Wonder who Rodgers blames this weekthe little diva has got no one to blame but himself. he threw 2 red zone picks that were pretty damn awful. that was one of his worst games ever.
Rodgers looks like he just does not care anymore lol.
Tom freakin' Brady. Not like I haven't seen him do that before, but it's no less impressive.yeah I'm not saying he will be Brady, no one ever will. having said that, I think he's the closest young QB to Brady, and he's one of the 3 best young QBs in the league and right up there with Mahomes and Allen.
speaking to mdot....nothing would make me happier than for the comparison between Burrow and Brady turn out to be apt, but Brady is his own animal and I don't think we'll see anything like him anytime soon. Burrow would be lucky to be half of what Brady has been. Hell....he'll be lucky to survive the first 5 years in the league, given the abuse he takes.
Apparently ABC and Amazon put all of their eggs in the Saints and Broncos basket. I feel like they have a monopoly on all of the off Sunday games, and both teams suckSaints actually have a pretty good roster and defense. What they don't have is a QB. My god does Andy Dalton suck. Problem is, so does Jameis Winston. They might have the worst QB room in the leauge. I feel like you drop an elite QB on that roster- they're a contender.
Russell Wilson looks cooked, washed up, shell of his former self. Pete Carroll looking really smart to get rid of him probably a year or two early. It's always best to get rid of a player early than late.
Good GAWD does Herbstreit suck on Thursday nights. He and Al Michaels have zero chemistry. It's hard to ruin Al Michaels but Amazon found a way to do it. The crazy thing is I rather like Herbie on ESPN with cfb. Always have.Herbie is a college guy imo. That's where his passion is, that's what he's knowledgeable about. He just isn't a fit for the NFL. Dude has zero clue about the NFL- he's never even sniffed an NFL field- he was nowhere near good enough of a player to do so. Plus he's been doing college games for like 30 freaking years. It's just a terrible fit.
He either just doesn't have "it" for announcing nfl games, or he doesn't really care, or he's stretched too thin with his other gigs, or some combination of all the above.
I've got to think Amazon will revamp that lineup next year. Wouldn't hurt if they spent some of their billions to secure decent games if they're gonna be in the Thursday night biz.
Herbie is a college guy imo. That's where his passion is, that's what he's knowledgeable about. He just isn't a fit for the NFL. Dude has zero clue about the NFL- he's never even sniffed an NFL field- he was nowhere near good enough of a player to do so. Plus he's been doing college games for like 30 freaking years. It's just a terrible fit.While I agree that Herbie's much more suited for CFB.The iconic voices of the NFL didn't play in the League either
They should get a former NFL QB like Rich Gannon or Kurt Warner or something. It can't be that hard...
Damn,the Vikes and the Giants of all teams are for real - didn't see them emerging.Or the Rams tanking. Still what 8 weeks but stillThe pick the Lions have from LA is higher than their own pick now
Justin Jefferson had maybe the greatest catch I've ever seen. Right now he is the best WR in the NFL. JaMarr Chase might be the 2nd best. Hard to think these two plus Joe Burrow were all on the same college team. That is insane talent at QB-WR-WR. No wonder they shattered college records and won a natty.was the best catch of the game
In all the major sports over the last few years, the Rams were the biggest favorites I've ever seen for a championship hangover. Even bigger than Alex Ovechkin's Caps a few years ago.again?
This was a nice win for the Vikings, but anything in the NFC involves going to Philadelphia on January 29 and getting shelled.
again?Yup. This is a nice regular season win, but I have no faith in the ability of this team to get through the tournament. Also, this is a club that would have benefited greatly from a bye as the 2 seed.
Justin Jefferson had maybe the greatest catch I've ever seen. Right now he is the best WR in the NFL.These gloves they use today are fly paper seriously.I remember watching I forget who trying to shake a ball loose after a catch a few yrs back
Yup. This is a nice regular season win, but I have no faith in the ability of this team to get through the tournament. Also, this is a club that would have benefited greatly from a bye as the 2 seed.I was referring to the 2018 NFC Chump game in Philly.
This was a nice win for the Vikings, but anything in the NFC involves going to Philadelphia on January 29 and getting shelled.Well at least the opponents are received well there :character0029:
Justin Jefferson had maybe the greatest catch I've ever seen. Right now he is the best WR in the NFL. JaMarr Chase might be the 2nd best. Hard to think these two plus Joe Burrow were all on the same college team. That is insane talent at QB-WR-WR. No wonder they shattered college records and won a natty.
I wouldn't seek to detract from either of those guys, and this is the NFL thread, not college. That said, you should've seen some of the insane grabs ODB Jr. and Jarvis Landry made in 2013 when that offense broke SEC records (which now seems pedestrian in today's game). By the time the catch that made ODB famous in 2014 happened, us Louisiana guys were like, "Yeah, that was nice, but did you see what him and his teammate did against Arkansas last year?" They had some flat-out acrobat-style WTF grabs. Some great clips of those on YouTube.OBJ was overrated AF, always felt that way. Even at his peak he was never remotely in the same class as Jefferson or Chase. Those are like the best receivers on planet earth right now- and OBJ was never that. Jarvis is a nice NFL player, but that's about it. Jarvis was never elite because: he's slow as dirt plus he doesn't score TDs. His yard per reception is laughable and he's too small to be a redzone target and rack up TDs. There were years this guy was averaging 8-9 yards per catch and scoring 2-3-4 TDs per season.
...and just because some Gumps like to call themselves WRU....In the 2021 NFL season, ODB, Chase and Jefferson caught for more yards as a trio than: Amari Cooper, Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy, Jaylen Waddle & Henry Ruggs....combined.
Santa wasn't an opponent as far as I know
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hey, we can ALL root against the Eagles tonight!we can root all we want. they're playing Washington. it will not be a game. Washington stinks.
OBJ was overrated AF, always felt that way. Even at his peak he was never remotely in the same class as Jefferson or Chase. Those are like the best receivers on planet earth right now- and OBJ was never that. Jarvis is a nice NFL player, but that's about it. Jarvis was never elite because: he's slow as dirt plus he doesn't score TDs. His yard per reception is laughable and he's too small to be a redzone target and rack up TDs. There were years this guy was averaging 8-9 yards per catch and scoring 2-3-4 TDs per season.
There are levels to this thing. Jefferson and Chase are just at another level than OBJ/Jarvis ever were.
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/315553812_558372109628598_7990480412667776906_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=iYUAkLAKI38AX_VHEx-&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDg26zPiAGzzTJFvvsN_H1-9V9vqq3-3pOvZ_860XKMXA&oe=6377AEC3)that's pretty nuts. Jefferson still has half a season left.
Aikman is tough to listen topoor guy has probably had north of a dozen serious concussions.
he-he-he
Unfookin' believable - I may get back in my Suicide pool magine quite a few were on the Eaglesyeah who the F saw that coming Nubbz? Not me. Still in shock Washington actually beat the Eagles.
poor guy has probably had north of a dozen serious concussions.give him a mic on national TV
Just keep Erin Andrews away from him.Why did he Namath her?
And now Kupp is out at least 4 weeks. He is the entire Rams offenseBoth Cinci/Rams showing signs of their dynasty's tanking
Both Cinci/Rams showing signs of their dynasty's tanking
Why did he Namath her?
Can't say I get the reference, probably before my time.An old, drunk Joe Namath kept telling a sideline reporter he wanted to kiss her during a sideline interview on MNF. Maybe 20 years ago? It wasn't EA though, maybe Michelle Tafoya?
An old, drunk Joe Namath kept telling a sideline reporter he wanted to kiss her during a sideline interview on MNF. Maybe 20 years ago? It wasn't EA though, maybe Michelle Tafoya?Suzy Kolber
An old, drunk Joe Namath kept telling a sideline reporter he wanted to kiss her during a sideline interview on MNF. Maybe 20 years ago? It wasn't EA though, maybe Michelle Tafoya?
Is Aidan Hutchinson the Lions' best DB? Second pick in the past 3 gameshe's their best player on defense for sure- as a rookie. which isn't saying much- that defense stinks. I think he's got the Defensive Rookie of the Year on lock if he keeps playing at this level. He'll get around 10 sacks, have double digit TFLs, and have some INTs.
https://twitter.com/EricLloyd/status/1594406091471060993?s=20&t=IwUVGADmf3dwPgZKZ-GTNwEven worse
love D'Andre Swift's talent and ability- but he can't stay healthy and he avoids contact. Lions need to find a back in this upcoming draft. I'd be thrilled with any of Chase Brown, Zach Charbonnet, or Blake Corum in the 2nd or 3rd rd.Haven't seen Chase but Zach in the 2 games I watched is oozing Sunday IMHO
A Nov 6 inspection - that would be about a week after hosting the Florida-Georgia game?Was Urban Meyer also in charge of the food and beverage dept?
https://twitter.com/EmptySeatsPics/status/1594006218158505984
https://twitter.com/KentWeyrauch/status/1594722712962105344?t=0YQDsPqJnwf7LuBa1zMFKQ&s=19it really is crazy that the Broncos would be 9-1 and favorites in the AFC if they could just score 18 points a game. Really tells how bad that offense and Russ have been. Mr. Unlimited sucks.
I don't eat the overpriced food in stadiumsAll beer is overpriced.....it's spoiled.
I do drink the overpriced beer
it really is crazy that the Broncos would be 9-1 and favorites in the AFC if they could just score 18 points a game. Really tells how bad that offense and Russ have been. Mr. Unlimited sucks.And his teammates hate him, apparently his Seahawks teammates did too
And his teammates hate him, apparently his Seahawks teammates did tooI know more than a few of his Seahawks teammates weren’t fans of his. Haven’t heard that yet about Broncos teammates- but when you’re losing like they are and he’s playing like ass- he’s probably an easy target for some hate.
Go LionsKeep winning and the Rams keep losing, and things work out ok
hoping they win a few so their draft status tanks
Keep winning and the Rams keep losing, and things work out okStill have zero faith in Campbell or Glenn, even if they go on a little run here.
friggin LionsLions gonna Lions.
Another thing I'm thankful for is The Browns aren't playing todayHaha! I wish Lions weren’t playing today. I feel like NFL should take that game away from them til they at least make a Super Bowl. I think America is probably sick of watching the Lions every year on Thanksgiving. I know I am.
https://twitter.com/amicsta/status/1595131765626089472?t=XxYDJUGj-6WqSCt_W3Vhtw&s=19Mormon Ryan Leaf....LMFAO.
Broncos DT Mike Purcell was caught on camera screaming at Russell Wilson on the sidelines. Broncos are averaging only 14.9 PPG in their last 7 games. Jesus that's bad.Not sure who won it, but based on the 2022 season Bret Bielema deserves a COTY award for apparently dealing with Paul Chryst and Russell Wilson, based on recent developments
Broncos DT Mike Purcell was caught on camera screaming at Russell Wilson on the sidelines. Broncos are averaging only 14.9 PPG in their last 7 games. Jesus that's bad.Brian Ferentz bad?
Zach Wilson's official BYU headshot creeped me out.Electing to go to BYU is at the very least, a yellow flag
Concussion 2 should be about his life trajectory following that cheap shit from Burfict.In retrospect, Vontaze Burfict was right to try and decapitate or at least neutralize Antonio Brown.
https://twitter.com/AmyDashTV/status/1598446377742512129?t=afrBE9fCG0yTwDsBoZRpzw&s=19
Concussion 2 should be about his life trajectory following that cheap shit from Burfict.JFC. Antonio Brown is a disaster. Has been a disaster. Yikes.
https://twitter.com/AmyDashTV/status/1598446377742512129?t=afrBE9fCG0yTwDsBoZRpzw&s=19
Jeem turned this dude into a 6th rd pick. Freak athlete was the #1 WR and top 10 recruit in 'Merica in his class. Heard Urbs say multiple times this kid was one of the best athletes he's ever recruited and thought he was going to be a future 1st rd pick.He has played well and i'd be chucking it more his way.Last year I thought he should of got a lot more balls tossed his way.Landry was alright Beckham was done and Higgins was like Fair Hooker - make a circus catch and bobble the the gimmees - maddening
Joe Burrow and Zac Taylor are pretty good
I don't think too highly of Zac Taylor, but then, I don't watch him much either.don't have much of an opinion either way on Taylor. Joey B makes lotta coaches look good. Hell he made Ed O look good for christ sake. That's really hard to do. Joe just that good.
It will really suck if Dallas gets the wildcard spot, and has to face off against Brady the Cowboy-killer in the first round. That's going to be really, really painful.
Need somebody else to knock off the dirty birds and then beat them in their return game in Dallas.That would be ideal. Wanna beat them anyway, because F philly and their worst sports fans on the planet.
That would be ideal. Wanna beat them anyway, because F philly and their worst sports fans on the planet.Philly looks like far and away the best team in the league. Dallas however has the ultimate X-factor on defense. Parsons is just hands down the best player (non-QB) in the NFL right now. That was Aaron Donald for a long time, but right now it's Parsons. And when Parsons is on he can completely just wreck a game- there is just no accounting for what he can do when he's locked in and playing with his hair on fire. If he decides to take over the game- nothing you can do.
Philly looks like far and away the best team in the league. Dallas however has the ultimate X-factor on defense. Parsons is just hands down the best player (non-QB) in the NFL right now. That was Aaron Donald for a long time, but right now it's Parsons. And when Parsons is on he can completely just wreck a game- there is just no accounting for what he can do when he's locked in and playing with his hair on fire. If he decides to take over the game- nothing you can do.
Brady just does it again. Brings his team back from the dead, down 16-3 to the Saints with 3:03 left in the game. Just finds a way and throws the game winning TD pass with 3 seconds left on the clock to get the win 17-16. Never seen a more clutch player in sports. Part of that is yeah he's had a ton of opportunities being that this is his 23rd season- but more times than not- in the pressure cooker moments- guy just delivers- playing the hardest position to play in all of sports.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FU9oqNYY92c
And then they traded a bunch of picks and every bit of good will for a sexual predator who had never actually accomplished in the league, and hadn't played in two seasons.pretty much agree. Only QB I'd touch first rd is Bryce Young. But he's going to be gone before both Lions picks. Don't want to see them trade up and use picks. If Young isn't there, pass on a QB and roll with Goff. 2024 should be a much better QB draft.
If most embarrassing franchise in the NFL.was a tag team matchup, the Browns and Lions keep tagging each other. I'm scared that the Lions appear to be tagged in right now.
I don't love Goff at all, but I'm half tempted to say roll with him, and a ton of skill position and OL talent around him, and just draft some defensive talent to help Okudah, Hutchinson and Rodriguez.
The Rams pick is looking like top 3. Goff is on the books for next year. If you can draft some help for Hutch or Okudah at #3, and then draft Hooker for a redshirt year, I wouldn't hate that. You have used two top 3 picks on defenders. Okudah is finally healthy. And apparently the defensive coaches finally read literally every interview with Michigan coaches about how to use Hutchinson, and he looks like a dude. I'm not sure the right move right now is to put in a rookie quarterback who needs a few years to get ready. By that point, most of their offensive linemen, and their two high defensive picks will.be up for high contracts. I think normally the right move is to try and win with a quarterback on a rookie deal, but I actually think the lions have hit on a number of picks recently, that they could win with a mediocre quarterback on an overpriced deal, surrounded by a bunch of super talented players on rookie dealsOh I hear you. I'm just saying, Bryce Young probably going #1. Texans are running away with the #1 pick. My guess is they take him. IF by some miracle they take Will Levis or something like that and you luck out and you can get Bryce and not have to trade up and throw away picks- and just stay put and take him- might just be tempted to do that. Lions Rams pick will definitely be a top 5 pick, just not sure where in the top 5 yet- but I'd take Will Anderson or Jalen Carter with that top 5 pick. Whichever one is there.
And then they traded a bunch of picks and every bit of good will for a sexual predator who had never actually accomplished in the league, and hadn't played in two seasons.I quit giving a shit after that trade.I'm sure in a parallel universe everyone else's team is sucking.But for some reason it seems that all of the souls that still had to square up with the Super Natural Big Guy were made Lions/Browns Fans.Even the law of averages haven't shown an interest or batted an eye.And the owner Jimmy Hasbeen thinx the cash strapped citizens of the City/County should shower his inept,clueless moves with a new roof costing hundreds of millions more - Eat Me
If most embarrassing franchise in the NFL.was a tag team matchup, the Browns and Lions keep tagging each other. I'm scared that the Lions appear to be tagged in right now.
The Rams pick is looking like top 3.
Oh I hear you.Evidently so did the Rams - seems now they don't want to help your boys out.They don't have to worry about the Browns they'll shoot themselves in the foot all by themselves
Oh, hey Jameson Williamsgonna be a stud. sucks he got injured but it was a blessing to get him for the Lions as he would've ran sub 4.3's at combine and been a top 5 pick if not for the injury.
Fire Campbell, promote Johnson, before someone steals him. Someone will100%. Won’t happen but it should. Johnson is going to get a HC job somewhere this off-season. Might as well give him the Lions.
Also, I'm ready to say the Lions absolutely killed it in the draft last year. Hutch, Rodriguez, Kerby Joseph, James Mitchell, all starting and impacting, and now this guyBrad Holmes is a real ass GM. Who knew hiring a legit GM and not a Belichik ball licker or an idiot TV personality would work!
https://twitter.com/kmeinke/status/1599785345855406082?s=20&t=wgqvbbyx_rxe7dh_N9sVJQ
Also, he has since picked up his 4th
Sauce is a better namefrom Detroit area. Crazy to think that Michigan and Michigan State both passed on him. Probably the two best defensive rookies in the NFL right now and both from Wayne county.
from Detroit area. Crazy to think that Michigan and Michigan State both passed on him. Probably the two best defensive rookies in the NFL right now and both from Wayne county.He had some P5 offers (Indiana, Iowa State, Kentucky, Syracuse), so it's not like he was completely off the radar either.
Wife nearly went into cardiac arrest as the Cowboys near-derped to the Texans.
I wonder if coordinators Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore will be hot HC candidate names soon.
Murray ex-sooner out for the cardinalshate to see injuries, especially a freakish one like that where no one even touched him and he was cutting and his acl probably just popped.
McCoy ex-horn in
He had some P5 offers (Indiana, Iowa State, Kentucky, Syracuse), so it's not like he was completely off the radar either.looks like Fickell may just do it again with another 6'3 CB from Detroit area that neither MSU or Michigan are going after in Amare Snowden. He's got P5 offers as well, Deion Sanders just offered him at Colorado- think Deion knows a thing or two about CB's- Snowden was committed to Fickell at Cinci for a long time and sounds like he's about to flip to Wisconsin and follow Fickell there.
MSU took 3 CBs in his class, and while Kalon Gervin was highly rated, the other two were not. All 3 wound up transferring out after not being able to crack the rotation too.
Michigan took 4 CBs that year
this just in....He is tearing it up. Can’t wait to see him with some NFL caliber receivers in an offensive line.
Justin Fields is GOOOOD!
The Raiders win on an ending the inverse of Cal-Stanford. Nuts.
sounds a lot like trent richardson. except, in college, he showed really good vision. but once in nfl, he was lost. really though he was going to be exceptional in nfl. missed big on that one.
The Raiders win on an ending the inverse of Cal-Stanford. Nuts.It was pretty wild watching it in the stadium
sounds a lot like trent richardson. except, in college, he showed really good vision. but once in nfl, he was lost. really though he was going to be exceptional in nfl. missed big on that one.Ya me too but the Browns always seem to miss on the can't miss guys.Tim Couch and Courtney Brown come to mind both head/shoulders above the collegiate competition but just fizzled in The League
Two weeks ago the Rams running backs coach Ra’Shaad Samples accepted a job at Arizona State to become the Sun Devils’ wide receivers coach and pass game coordinator. This week the Rams OC Liam Coen accepts a job with the Kentucky Wildcats for the same position.resume was as good as it gets - sinking fast
Two NFL coaches going to middling college programs? With not much of a promotion on the staff hierarchy?
Really looks like the Rams abandon ship alarm is sounding now that everybody won their Super Bowl rings last season.
I actually think they should take Jalen Carter with the Rams pick, if they can. Aidan holds his edge, and Anderson is more of a pass rusher. We need to be stronger up the middle. If they choose to roll away from Hutchinson every play, let them, that's easy to scheme againstI’d prefer Carter but if he’s not there and Anderson is, take em. Lions DL has been light in the ass all year- they get destroyed at the point of attack up the middle and their lbs are under sized which doesn’t help.
Wright/Mitchell combo is why drafting a TE top 10 is stupid. Is either one as good as Hockenson? Nope. As long as they are serviceable, it doesn't matterYeah agreed. I wouldn’t even take Bowers top 10. Only TE I would ever take top 10 is if there was a Gronk clone.
The entire Lions defense is soft as hell. Nobody looks interested in tackling in the cold. Not one playerWhich is crazy considering they are from DETROIT lol. Not sure it’s a great idea to have domes, makes teams soft. Even the ones from the north that are suppose to be tough and used to cold lol.
Sam Darnold in 6 quarters vs. the Lions has outscored them 70-14Guy would be an all-pro and future 1st ballot if he got to play lions every week and not one of the biggest draft busts in recent history.
The entire Lions defense is soft as hell. Nobody looks interested in tackling in the cold. Not one playerTowards the end of the game same-same with the Browns receivers. Mulling about let's not put in any effort for the poor saps who paid and came down to the game. Pay by production ,aholes could have won if they acted like it mattered
it'll never be nearly as bad as Herschelthink it actually might be worse. I think they gave him $250 mil and $180 mil guaranteed. That’s going to put them in salary cap hell for YEARS plus they had to give up bunch of picks and Fant is a pretty decent player.
The Broncos have to fire Elway right? This Russell Wilson trade and signing has completely torpedoed the franchise.Man he’s gonna be hard to fire. He’s the most legendary player in franchise history and has brought them 3 Lombardi trophies. One of which came as an exec.
Oh and by the way Jefferson is by far the best WR in the NFL and dude is tracking to be in that Rice, Moss, TO, Marvin Harrison convo as the greatest WR ever. He’s fng unreal.It's early.
think it actually might be worse. I think they gave him $250 mil and $180 mil guaranteed. That’s going to put them in salary cap hell for YEARS plus they had to give up bunch of picks and Fant is a pretty decent player.Guess who else is f'ed for years,I'll see that 180 million guaranteed and make it 230mil guaranteed plus 3-1st rd pix plus a 3rd,4th and a 5th.This nightmare will never end
Seahawks are on the fast track to be really good again and Broncos are f’ed for years.
The Broncos have to fire Elway right? This Russell Wilson trade and signing has completely torpedoed the franchise.The Denver Broncos have asked the Browns to hold their beers.
(https://i.imgur.com/xht8mH5.png)Ford family should hire the New Mexico State head coach and draft every player on the team. Bout time they hire a coach and get players that now how to win in the postseason.
Guess who else is f'ed for years,I'll see that 180 million guaranteed and make it 230mil guaranteed plus 3-1st rd pix plus a 3rd,4th and a 5th.This nightmare will never endI agree, right now the deal stinks. But if DeShaun Watson can regain form it's actually not a terrible deal. He is only 26 or 27. And he's more of a true pocket passer, he's not as reliant on his athleticism/legs as Wilson was/is. Wilson is 34. He's going to be 35 by the start of next NFL season. His best years are way in the review mirror and behind him.
There are two families that should sell their teams.FIFY,I'm hopin' Mdot but the 3 number 1s were a killer
Ford,McCaskey & the Haslams
I agree, right now the deal stinks. But if DeShaun Watson can regain form it's actually not a terrible deal. He is only 26 or 27. And he's more of a true pocket passer, he's not as reliant on his athleticism/legs as Wilson was/is. Wilson is 34. He's going to be 35 by the start of next NFL season.His birthday is in November. Do you know something about the 2023 NFL season that the rest of us don't?
Watching Tua and Mac Jones this weekend, Nick Saban deserves a few more COTY trophiesTua is actually pretty good imo. Dude's just made out of glass and has been concussed more than anyone I've ever seen in recent memory, and for whatever reason guy keeps playing through concussions. He should just quit football right now while he still has all his faculties, because more concussions are just going to eventually deter his quality of life.
There are two families that should sell their teams.Add in Jerry Jones, please and thank you.
Ford and McCaskey.
Tua is actually pretty good imo. Dude's just made out of glass and has been concussed more than anyone I've ever seen in recent memory, and for whatever reason guy keeps playing through concussions. He should just quit football right now while he still has all his faculties, because more concussions are just going to eventually deter his quality of life.mac was one of the better rookies last season. had a bit of soph slump, though. but the game this weekend ain't on him. he led 3 late 3rd/4th qtr td drives, 2 over 75 yards,and a 4th drive (to take lead and likely win) was fumbled 1st down on the 5. he's unlikely to ever be an mvp candidate, but he can certainly be a solid starter for a good team.
But yeah, Mac Jones fn sucks. But I think everyone already kind of knew that going in. Did anyone actually think he was good enough to play at a high level in the NFL?
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1609697748210556928?t=-jc8xsL_7P5F3nqjEA-myg&s=19The played the Bears.
It's always okay to root for a Packers loss.Amen to that. Rodgers losing is always fun to watch
The played the Bears.Yeah, this lol.
Broncos have reportedly reached out to Harbaugh. PLEASE take that deal Jeem.I read the other way around yesterday
do it, Jimmy!I’m game.
Awful.Speculation on my part- commotio Cordis
I'd think there is some underlying issue as that wasn't a particularly vicious collision.
CPR makes me think of dilated cardiomyopathy or something like that. I believe it's the #1 killer of athletes under 30 without a causal injury. That's pure speculation, obviously. The hit may have been worse than I realize.
You just don't hardly see regular injuries make players stop breathing. A positive sign was he had a pulse.
I couldn't believe my eyes watching that. Been watching football for a long time and never seen anything like it.
Still alive, but critical.
Irsay is nuts, but if Harbaugh likes him, I guess? They have some decent pieces if Taylor is good to go next year, they just need to figure out the QB.Jim is a fkn whackjob himself. Maybe they'll get along bc of that? I don't think the Colts are that close at all to be honest. The only really nice piece they have is JT23. Their OL isn't what it used to be and the defense is just OK.
Denver is a disaster, I wouldn't touch that job.
Carolina played a lot better once Rhule was fired, but there's no way you can think Darnold is the answer. I'm guessing they have a lot of picks from the pieces they traded away, but that 1st round pick isn't going to be as good as it looked like it was going to be a couple months ago
And if Jim does take an NFL job, they need him to decide that right here right now. Move fast in the next 48-72 hours on that. Can't be pulling the horseshit he pulled last year on NSD. Make the call, right now. Sh%t or get off the pot.good luck
AD needs to tell him look, let us know now. Take an NFL job now or let us sign you up long term to an ironclad deal with a ridiculous buyout which will keep your ass locked in here for the next 5-7 years- cause we're not doing this fkn sh&t every single off-season.
Colin Cowherd claiming his sources are saying Broncos will offer Harbaugh $20m/year to be their head coach. Seems like a lot. ESPN has reported that Panthers owner David Tepper has talked to Harbaugh about the Panthers job. And then of course there is speculation about the Colts. Harbaugh played there, is in the ring of honor there, had them 1 play away from making the Super Bowl and is said to have a really solid relationship with owner Jim Irsay.
If Harbaugh-to-the-NFL didn't happen last year, when interviewing for a much more welcoming roster/talent situation in Minnesota (where, according to Cowherd, the Vikings front office was left stunned with how poorly Harbaugh interviewed), then I don't see Harbaugh leaving for the NFL this time around. Especially, as @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) mentioned, for Denver where the Broncos have sidelined themselves by gambling millions of un-void-able moneys on a noticeably aging/indifferent Wilson while giving up a ton of high-value draft prospects in the process.Cowherd could just be talking out of his ass. I don't see the Broncos being a fit for any top coach with options.
hah, the Vikings weren't desperate enough to hire the booger eaterthink Vikes made the right choice.
they had another option and it seems to have been OK
the Donkeys are desperate
Game has passed Harbaugh by. He can get by with what he does on the college level, but that sh&t ain't gonna fly in the NFL.Ya Joe Gibbs came back and the game passed him by. Got to roll the dice on someone younger,unless Jeem could assemble the best staff of assistants eva. For 20 million I'm settling for nothing less than Paul Brown in the '40s/'50s.Lombardi in the '60s.Shula/Noll in the '70s,Walsh in'80,JJ in '90.Not a loose cannon crazy cat in his 60s
I hear Les Miles is available.maybe the Denver Broncos should call him...
maybe the Denver Broncos should call him...Natural grass, checks out
Cowherd could just be talking out of his ass. I don't see the Broncos being a fit for any top coach with options.
Harbaugh did speak with Carolina owner today, that was confirmed. Could see him there.
And if I was Carolina or Denver, I'd rather take a flier on a young offensive wizard like Ben Johnson. Dude has star potential. Not sure I'd want the 60 year old stuck in his ways with a Stone Age offense. Give me the 36 year old with the new age cutting edge philosophy.
Game has passed Harbaugh by. He can get by with what he does on the college level, but that sh&t ain't gonna fly in the NFL. It's not 2011. It's 2023. A LOT has changed in offensive football in the last 12 years at the NFL level. Harbaugh's archaic offenses are not going to cut it at the top tier level of football imo.
and they are WRONG more often than the 10-day weather forecastI mean, they wouldn't pay guys for bad takes. Anyway...Dick Vitale is presently watching the Lions-Packers game on repeat on NFL Network, and thinks it's live
Speculation on my part- commotio CordisMy big worry after hearing it took 9 min was that Demar hemmoraged. Usually w/ quick treatment you can get a heart started on a younger person w/ not too much difficulty if the volume is there.
blunt force blow to the chest that causes cardiac arrest. The hit was pretty hard- helmet right to the chest.
DPJ has a nice 39 yd pitch/catch - i still like the kidhe's gonna be a lot better in the NFL than he ever was in college imo. He really improved this year, and I think he's a breakout candidate in '23 especially as he gets to build more chemistry with DeShaun Watson whose suspension is now over. Watson is going to rebound in a big way next year and guys like DPJ will be the beneficiaries of that.
Clowns/Squeelers tied at nada
Garrett Wilson came into the NFL's final week already at 1,014 yards. Chris Olave was at 982. Olave catches 2 balls for 32 yards and a TD on the Saints' opening drive to pass 1,000. Drake London (746 yards) and George Pickens (729) were the only two other rookies over 560 coming into today. Olave and Wilson the 25th and 26th rookies in NFL history to surpass 1,000 yards receiving.didn't need them back. needed JSN to be healthy.
Damn what could have been had one of them stayed
Dak suckssucks is a harsh word. He's OK. Pretty good starting QB. You could do a lot worse than Dak Prescott at QB if you were starting an NFL franchise. He's just nowhere near good enough to be worth that contract and nowhere close to one of the elite QBs in the NFL.
Only the Lions can get fucked in a game they aren't even playing in:043:,what happened? You can always root for the BROWNS,they sent me into yet another off season with a loss
Nah, I hope the Lions just take knees for 60 straight minutes. Give the NFL what they want
Right now sauce Gardner is the odds on favorite for defensive rookie of the year.do not see how. Jets are not in the playoffs. Detroit is. After starting 1-6. Hutchinson was one of the major factors in that turn around. As a rookie. Hutchinson also has more interceptions than Sauce Gardner does. Explain that one.
As a Lions fan I’m pretty happy they got Hutchinson though.
hahahaha! I don't know if I'm more happy that Detroit made the playoffs or that Aaron Rodgers didn't :043:The Lions did not make the playoff though. Seattle took that from them when they beat the Rams today
The Lions did not make the playoff though. Seattle took that from them when they beat the Rams todayOh sh*t did not even realize that. Wtf. Typical Lions lol.
do not see how. Jets are not in the playoffs. Detroit is. After starting 1-6. Hutchinson was one of the major factors in that turn around. As a rookie. Hutchinson also has more interceptions than Sauce Gardner does. Explain that one.I’m not necessarily disagreeing. But sauce Gardner was a dominant force at corner for the Jets this year and the Jets defense was way better than the Lions defense. But if you look at Las Vegas odds sauce Gardner is the favorite.
Hutchinson had by far a better rookie season than Gardner and it's not close imo.
Barry Sanders will always be my favorite Detroit Lions playerI dunno Lem Barney,Megatron,Night Train Lane,Bobby Layne,Charlie Sanders,Bubba Baker (awesome before the knee)Alex Karras, Mike Lucci,Dick Lebeau, Spielman, bunch of characters on those teams left some off I know. Loved as little kid when they played in Tiger Stadium - that was football
he sucks so far todayHe had a terrible day for sure. He does that sometimes.
2 for 9, 14 yards, pick 6 after a shoulda been pick 6 on the previous play - to the same corner
He had a terrible day for sure. He does that sometimes.Brady is the cowboy killer. I believe he’s never lost to the cowboys.
But he doesn't suck, if you look at overall NFL QBs. He's just really mediocre. As is the entire Cowboys team. The roster is probably better than the coaching, which is below average.
I expect them to lose the first round game to the Bucs and Tom Brady, because that's what Dallas does.
Also what's up with Lamar Jackson? is he legitimately hurt or sandbagging his way out the door?He’s hurt. Both physically and emotionally. Dude is all about the team and the ultimate leader and the ravens front office being bunch of idiots and have refused to pay him.
this is amazing….Apparently a Lions staffer yelled something in the tunnel, and a Packers staffer yelled, "way to be classless," and it was pointed out that he was just quoting Rodgers
https://twitter.com/JimmyTraina/status/1612308588860706817?s=20&t=qbMHu3a5BTeBWJIYEIVGgQ
He had a terrible day for sure. He does that sometimes.yup, similar to Cousins.
But he doesn't suck, if you look at overall NFL QBs. He's just really mediocre. As is the entire Cowboys team. The roster is probably better than the coaching, which is below average.
I expect them to lose the first round game to the Bucs and Tom Brady, because that's what Dallas does.
ShitWas bound to happen he’s a rising star. Hopefully he’s smart enough not to take that job and work for that horrendous ownership.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1612552538603003912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1612552538603003912%7Ctwgr%5E4ed5cb512554d669707c45ae661eaae963371aaa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmichiganstate.boards.net%2Fthread%2F3217%2Ftofficial-detroit-lions-offseason-thread
Was bound to happen he’s a rising star. Hopefully he’s smart enough not to take that job and work for that horrendous ownership.Yeah, they had a good coach in Bill O'Brien, and then added GM to his role, and he may have been the worst GM ever. And now they keep hiring a string of one year guys. They are going to have to hire some retread, or a lesser known college coach, looking to make the jump, like when the Panthers hired Rhule
Yeah, they had a good coach in Bill O'Brien, and then added GM to his role, and he may have been the worst GM ever. And now they keep hiring a string of one year guys. They are going to have to hire some retread, or a lesser known college coach, looking to make the jump, like when the Panthers hired Rhule
A friend of mine texted me something that confirmed what I believed to be true, but never really had actual numbers to back it up. The placekicking in today’s NFL is worlds better than when I was growing up in the 80s. Here are the stats. In 2022, NFL kickers hit 154-224 (.688) kicks from 50+ yards.
In 2012, it was 92-151 (.609)
In 2002, it was 44-85 (.517)
In 1992, it was 36-72 (.500)
In 1982, it was 10-40 (.250)
In 1972, it was 15-60 (.250)
In 1962, it was 5-34 (.147)
I’ll watch games and guys boot 55 yarders with 10 yards to spare. It looks effortless. The FG range line on TV keeps moving a little closer to midfield every year. These guys are great.
I’m in the camp that B’OB is meh. Not sucks. Just OK.
BOB is amazing and I hope Alabama keeps him forever.
Very cool look into the past.And I'd be curious to see the number of 50+ yard kicks, removing end of half/game attempts. I'm guessing all of those in the '70s, and nearly all of those in the '80s were those
And look at the number of attempts increase decade after decade, as the kickers get better at making them. We always talk about how it's a completely different game than it was a few decades ago, and this is one clear example of how and why.
Three times in a minute they've brought in the rules expert to say they missed a flag against Seattlehttps://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1614246845462548482?t=32EFGdgT7tdls-GpuNZ7DA&s=19
Go Seahawks!!!Nah, go Niners
I dislike Pete Carroll
WVU sports are so lousy right now I think a lot of us have jumped on the Geno/Seattle bandwagon just to have something to cheer for.Sigh.
I just think my Vikings have a better chance vs the Seahawks if they make the 2nd roundWell, yeah, because Seattle shouldn't even be in
Lawrence throws a pick on the 1st play returned to the 18. Chargers score a td - well that was quickGhost of Urban Meyer. Jags might be better off with DJ tonight, among former Clemson QBs
Ghost of Urban Meyer. Jags might be better off with DJ tonight, among former Clemson QBsAnd yet Joey Bosa turned out to be the former Buckeye to cost his team the game
Jeebis Tremmer Lawrence tossed another pick,prolly has more completions to the Boltsdayum I guess Trevor showed up at sometime it was 27-7 when early in the 3 Qtr I switched it off
And yet Joey Bosa turned out to be the former Buckeye to cost his team the gameI certainly don see it that way, although he didn’t help. He usually keeps his cool when he is being severely held on every play like he was last night, but I think the bogus offside penalty combined with the clear false start that Jacksonville did in the officials Lego was too much for him.
The Chargers are flirting with a pretty monumental collapse here.I didn't know Glen Mason was the coach of the Chargers.
I didn't know Glen Mason was the coach of the Chargers.
dayum I guess Trevor showed up at sometime it was 27-7 when early in the 3 Qtr I switched it offTrevor played Jamesis Winston's finest game.
A terrible roughing the passer call against the Giants in a big situation.Yes- that was bad. Really bad.
Jonah Williams is horribleWelp. Guess we'll figure out what the alternative is
A terrible roughing the passer call against the Giants in a big situation.hit the QB in the head
That was the Kirk Cousins we all know and love.Ed Zachery
Even if they had beaten the Giants, they were going to San Francisco next week and lose 49-10 in a game not as close as the final score indicated.
Kinda funny that the 49ers wasted all that draft capital on Trey Lance- who legitimately sucks imo- only to pick up the best QB they’ve had in YEARS with the final pick in the 7th rd.I don't think the QB matters, as long as they have those weapons, and Kyle calling plays
Watch Purdy win them a super bowl lol.
I don't think the QB matters, as long as they have those weapons, and Kyle calling playsBut I thought it was a QB league.......now I'm cornfused!
Not sure how many of you have come across Wikipedia's page for "List of National Football League quarterback playoff records. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_quarterback_playoff_records)"Brady has never lost to the Cowboys. Would be a total Cowboys move to blow a playoff game vs a 8-9 team that backdoor into the playoffs bc they won the absolute worst division in football. It's just what the Cowboys do at this point. Fully expecting Bucs to win.
An absorbing tabulation of playoff W/L records for every NFL starting QB that has won at least one playoff game. Incidentally, tonight's matchup between the Dallas Cowboys and Tampa Bay Bucs will feature the very top ranked and last ranked QBs on this rather long list of names.
But I thought it was a QB league.......now I'm cornfused!Eh, I think it has sort of gone the other way. Every QB is great. So you either need a top 5ish QB, or one on a good deal, that you can surround him with talent. Brock Purdy, Daniel Jones, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen won playoff games this weekend. 5 rookie deals and a top 5. And Allen almost lost to a rookie 3rd stringer
All you need to know about the NFL:it's only crazy if the cowgirls choke
12-5 Dallas @ 8-9 Tampa Bay in a playoff game.
Lunacy.
Eh, I think it has sort of gone the other way. Every QB is great. So you either need a top 5ish QB, or one on a good deal, that you can surround him with talent. Brock Purdy, Daniel Jones, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen won playoff games this weekend. 5 rookie deals and a top 5. And Allen almost lost to a rookie 3rd stringerThis is concluding A LOT based on normal-ish stuff happening + the 1 surprise of Purdy.
This is concluding A LOT based on normal-ish stuff happening + the 1 surprise of Purdy.By normalish stuff, you mean the best overall rosters winning?
Jeebis Maher misses 3 PATs yet has more 50 yarders than anyone else in the Leagueyeah, wondering if those 3 missed extra points will come back and haunt them...
I haven't seen a single radical reactionI guess the hype men aren't doing their jobs.
I’ve never seen anything like what is happening to this Dallas kicker. At this point it’s completely mental. Do you sign someone this week for the divisional round?I would sign someone ASAP if I was the GM/Owner.
I would sign someone ASAP if I was the GM/Owner.Skeletor isn't afraid to fire a kicker
But he doesn't suck, if you look at overall NFL QBs. He's just really mediocre. As is the entire Cowboys team. The roster is probably better than the coaching, which is below average.
I expect them to lose the first round game to the Bucs and Tom Brady, because that's what Dallas does.
4 extra point misses make me wonder if maybe the fix was inI hope he got paid
Why shouldn't he? Lamar Jackson didwhat? Lamar Jackson most certainly did not get paid. Ravens should've re-signed him to a fat contract two years ago. Would've locked him up long term at a discount. Now they might have to trade him or give him a record breaking deal. Bunch of dummies.
4th & 8, the Vikings on the last of their chances to score, and I can't think of a more Kirk Cousins way for the Vikings to end up losing.
On 4th down Cousins tosses to a receiver FIVE yards short of the first down mark. Yes Cousins gets his yards and completions, but never quite seems to finish the job. 31/39 273yds 2TDs but the Vikings still lose.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1614786354071900161
what? Lamar Jackson most certainly did not get paid. Ravens should've re-signed him to a fat contract two years ago. Would've locked him up long term at a discount. Now they might have to trade him or give him a record breaking deal. Bunch of dummies.He got paid for doing nothing the last how many games? And I've read where he could have suited up others saw him bouncing about but Evidently mom told him no. See what guaranteed contracts get you
https://twitter.com/Whiticar/status/1615400534227423234?t=RgvDLKkf-PCP82Xcd411tQ&s=19Jesus H Christ that's bad.
He got paid for doing nothing the last how many games? And I've read where he could have suited up others saw him bouncing about but Evidently mom told him no. See what guaranteed contracts get youwhat lol? you realize he's in the middle of a contract dispute and he's injured, right? why would he show the Ravens any loyalty and risk playing through injury when they are showing him none right now? this is a business......
I’ve never seen anything like what is happening to this Dallas kicker. At this point it’s completely mental. Do you sign someone this week for the divisional round?He got the yips.
what lol? you realize he's in the middle of a contract dispute and he's injured, right? why would he show the Ravens any loyalty and risk playing through injury when they are showing him none right now? this is a business......lol, Supposedly injured,many have stated he's sitting it out - mom told him so. Business usually implies that both parties hold up their end,Jackson could at least return some of his 32 million for services not rendered
Tua is good enough that I wouldn't spend too much trying to get a better QB, but Tua might not play for long with the concussion issueyeah gonna have to disagree. Tua is pretty good. Lamar is a leauge MVP winning QB- and a once in a generation type talent at QB. He's Mike Vick 2.0. Taller and faster straight line than Vick, a little bit more accurate, and from all accounts is a stand up guy- aka doubt he's running a dog fighting ring. Guys like Lamar come around once every 10-20 years, if that.
I'd LOVE for Detroit to get him even more btw. Especially if Ben Johnson was all-in on tailoring an offense around Lamar.Could they straight up afford him?
Could they straight up afford him?not sure, I'm not an NFL cap wizard lol. But IF the Ravens are willing to deal for Goff- who is a PRETTY GOOD NFL QB- and you can make it work with the cap, then I say go for it.
Maybe a trade right now involving Goff (to get that off the books) and their own 1st round pick, with an under the table deal already worked out?
And he's still young. Goff's contract isn't bad for a starting QB, but I don't think you can fit two starting QB salaries under the cap. Lions can afford to pay a QB because so much of their talent is still under their rookie contract, but once the bill comes due on those guys, doubt it.yeah there are a lot of ways they can play this. I lean more towards take the sure thing, which to me is Lamar. But say if by some miracle Bears trade out and someone falls in love with Will Levis and he goes #1 overall and either Bryce Young or CJ Stroud fall to Detroit- then I wouldn't be mad at all taking one of those guys and giving them a "redshirt" year to learn under Goff and then take over in '24.
So there's the question, do you feel good about letting a lot of these guys go, once you can't afford them, because you've paid your QB? Or do you stick with Goff while these guys are cheap, and then get a young QB in line, for cheap, once you have to pay these guys?
That's the tough question. You look at the Super Bowl champs. Rodgers only has 1, and IIRC he was still on his rookie deal, so they could pay for that elite defense with Matthews, Woodson and Collins. Russell Wilson, same thing, cheap QB, so you could pay the Legion of Boom. Peyton Manning, the 2nd greatest QB of my life, needed an elite defense, on a lot of rookie deals, to win his second.
The two exceptions are the GOAT and Roethlisberger. Brady won his first 3 on a rookie deal with an elite defense, same with Roethlisberger. Then the Patriots were able to continuously remake the roster in different ways to make it work. The Steelers kept hitting over and over and over on skill position players in the draft (look up their RB/WR drafting, during Ben's time, it's insane), then they'd let them go without paying them. That's the greatest QB of all time, and a top 5-7 QB, and they both needed some good roster movement around them to make it work, because even the best QBs still just suck up so much cap space
If I were Skeletor, before I cut the kicker...I'd cut the head coach and OC for sure. Like today. Immediately. McCarthy stinks. He's a bad head coach imo. Sean Payton has history in Dallas and I think he'd love that job IF Jerry Jones was out of the picture. JJ's ego to big, he won't give Payton final say on anything. Kicker definitely has to go.
I'd cut the head coach and the offensive coordinator
then the QB
CeeDee needs to be better at, you know, catching passes. When HE'S on he's very good, but also way too inconsistent.
Burrow is the best QB in the NFL right now imo. I'd take him over anyone right now. Brady and Rodgers are done imo. The new guys are the face of the league now. The baton has been passed. And I think I'd take Burrow over anyone right now. Even Mahomes- who I think is obviously excellent. It's real close between those two imo.The thing about Burrow and Mahomes is that they are easy to root for.
Switching gears but staying on guys I hope do well, I got to watch the Bengals/Bills game this weekend. As noted, I don't see them much. Still can't figure out Burrow. Genuinely can't tell how good he is or isn't. His arm is definitely meh by NFL standards but I always knew that would be the case. Not a deal-breaker....Brees' arm wasn't a rocket either. But Brees made up for it with a brain that processed the game faster than everybody else and lethal accuracy. For the life of me I can't tell if Burrow can be that guy or not. The few times I've gotten to watch the Bengals, a lot of the throws he makes were to guys WIDE ASS open. Like.....you better hit that throw, because otherwise....dude. I don't know if he can throw into tiny contested windows like he did in college or not. Still root for him. Unlike Dak, he's not a Louisiana kid, but we adopted him anyway.
Burrow is the best QB in the NFL right now imo. I'd take him over anyone right now. Brady and Rodgers are done imo. The new guys are the face of the league now. The baton has been passed. And I think I'd take Burrow over anyone right now. Even Mahomes- who I think is obviously excellent. It's real close between those two imo.
That's not a slight on Burrow. But IMHO Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL right now, and I'm not sure it's close.Sort of like Elway vs Marino or Kelly 30 yrs back
Hard for me to make a good comparison, partly because I don't get to watch Burrow most of the time. Seems the Chiefs are often a national slot or a SNF/MNF game. At any rate, I watch Mahomes a fair bit.There was a time last season where Burrow led the league in throws into tight coverage. He's not as aggressive this season, but is still throwing into tighter coverage compared to most quarterbacks. His biggest attributes are his ability to throw the ball quickly (only second to Brady in that statistic) and his accuracy (second to Geno Smith of all people). Honestly, the biggest comp for the Bengals right now are Brady's Patriots. Brady was obviously awesome, but the reason he won so much wasn't just him but also the fact that he had good defenses year in and year out. Burrow has been blessed with some pretty strong defenses last year and this year - has papered over when the offense has been just all right.
The Chiefs feel like a more "coherent" team to me. I get what they are and what they want to do, the coach has a plan, he manages the game, the pieces are there. Mahomes has a lot of help around him. I like their WRs pretty well as a group, and Kelce is a flat out cheat code. However, what I really like is the OL....they usually look really good. CEH added a nice touch at RB and now this Pacheco guy is really something. All that said, as noted in my last post, Mahomes is really, really, really good. Like, it's hard to process all the tools he has to win a game.
When I do get to watch the Bengals, Burrow has usually been hopelessly obliterated by a line that would make RG3 have sympathy for him. Although they do win their share of games. Sometimes it's his fault for not getting rid of the ball quicker. Most of the time it's not. Otoh, the Bengals line looked uncharacteristically good against Buffalo. Beyond that, Jefferson and Higgins are quite a pair to have to throw to, and Hurst is not a bad TE himself, although nothing like Kelce. I also don't think much of Zak Taylor as a coach, but that's just me and I could be wrong. Really different team than the Chiefs.
The two QBs work in such different situations that comparing them is hard, so I don't. Easier to just look at the tools they display. Mahomes can simply do everything, most of it at an uncommonly good level. I don't have a good feel for what Burrow does (or doesn't do) that would put him near that level, or not. When I do get to watch, he's usually either cremated by a rusher or he throws to a wide open receiver. How much is the former bad play design or a poor OL, and how much is the latter good play design or a next-level receiver? I feel like I can see what Mahomes is when I watch the Chiefs. I can't tell what's Burrow and what's not, be it when the Bengals are struggling or when they're doing well. He can find wide open receivers and complete some checkdowns. Okay, fine. Can he do more? I don't know, I don't get to see it. Mahomes, on the other hand, is a never ending highlight reel.
When you say throw the ball quickly, do you mean average seconds until the ball comes out after the snap, or do you mean his release time?Average seconds until the ball comes out
Burrow is the best QB in the NFL right now imo. I'd take him over anyone right now. Brady and Rodgers are done imo. The new guys are the face of the league now. The baton has been passed. And I think I'd take Burrow over anyone right now. Even Mahomes- who I think is obviously excellent. It's real close between those two imo.He's gotten better at getting rid of the ball a bit faster this year. Guys not having to break stride catching the ball from him either. Still would keep Mahomes ahead of him until I see how he does when Chase-Burrow take up 1/3 of their cap.
On Mahomes vs Burrow.......KC traded away their top WR and Mahomes had the same/slightly better results this year without him. Would the same happen for Burrow if CIN traded away Chase?Top WR doesn't equal best pass catcher. Kelce is that. But no, Burrow isn't there yet either way
Top WR doesn't equal best pass catcher. Kelce is that. But no, Burrow isn't there yet either way
Don't think we can say either way, since it's hypothetical.you're not old enough to have watched Fran the Man
Where Mahomes is the clear winner to me, far and away, is his pocket presence and ability to extend plays. That part of his game is the best I've ever seen. Burrow had that in college, I haven't seen it in the NFL.
That, and Mahomes seems to have a better arm.
nobody liked ol donkey teethWell stink and O-Line helped a little. By the 4th Qtr of the SB you and i could have shoved the Packers D-line around. They had been partying all week as vegas had them favored heavily and they bought into it
didn't accomplish squat until Terrell Davis arrived
and the Packers suckedi was referring to when Elway beat them in what '98
they always have a HOF QB and little to show
97 seasonYa the game was in......'98 - January like they should be played. Not poking it's arse into Groundhogs Day
Yeah 98 season they stopped the dirty bird. Shame we didn't get to see them playing that Vikings squadThat NFC Championship Game was enough to break a person from watching professional football entirely.
That NFC Championship Game was enough to break a person from watching professional football entirely.It’s crossed my mind on more than one occasion that Randy Moss may have been on the two best teams that didn’t win a Super Bowl.
That NFC Championship Game was enough to break a person from watching professional football entirely.happens when you're down to the the 4th string QB
That NFC Championship Game was enough to break a person from watching professional football entirely.
Officials are the only ones dominating.Guys I watched the Game with thought the play Bureaux got called for grounding should have been roughing if you watched the intirety of the play. But otherwise enough defense to make it great. Two teams who have become rivals
One of the dumbest late game penalties I’ve ever seen.I thought the same thing but from this angle it doesn't appear so egregiuos I really don’t think he pushes him hard at all. He just sort of sticks his arm out while running full speed. and Mahomes is running parralel to the side line .Ossai comes in perpendicular but if you look close he wasn't way out but the momentum carries making it look much worse.Still the right call but not like the one angle would have us believe
One of the dumbest late game penalties I’ve ever seen.The Bengals can't get out of their own way when it comes to late game stupid penalties to knock themselves out of the playoffs.
Both starting QBs in the Superbowl are Texas high school football products.Maybe we should start discussing how the major Texas college football teams are possibly underachieving? Are people discussing that?
Sean Payton to the Broncos.Apparently Jim Harbaugh, as early as this morning, thought he was the guy. Instead, Denver was like "well, we gave up picks for a washed up QB, lets give up more for a coach?"
Apparently Jim Harbaugh, as early as this morning, thought he was the guy. Instead, Denver was like "well, we gave up picks for a washed up QB, lets give up more for a coach?"I set the O/U at 3.5 months before Elway physically assaults Harbaugh if that had been a thing.
I set the O/U at 3.5 months before Elway physically assaults Harbaugh if that had been a thing.I'd rather watch that than a Bronco game
Maybe we should start discussing how the major Texas college football teams are possibly underachieving? Are people discussing that?What are you talking about? Houston's had a pretty good run over the past decade.
Apparently Jim Harbaugh, as early as this morning, thought he was the guy. Instead, Denver was like "well, we gave up picks for a washed up QB, lets give up more for a coach?"yeah, I don't believe this is true at all. It's been reported by multiple sources already that Jeem turned the Broncos down. He didn't want that job. It was also reported from the jump that Payton was the Broncos' #1 target.
Maybe we should start discussing how the major Texas college football teams are possibly underachieving? Are people discussing that?seems to me like Texas and A&M are either not going after the right QBs or landing the ones that aren't so good. Cause lotta good QBs from that state, and very few have seemed to become stars at either of those schools.
yeah, I don't believe this is true at all. It's been reported by multiple sources already that Jeem turned the Broncos down. He didn't want that job. It was also reported from the jump that Payton was the Broncos' #1 target.NBC and ESPN reported that talks were still ongoing. They just ultimately decided to give up picks to get the best coach on the market.
NBC and ESPN reported that talks were still ongoing. They just ultimately decided to give up picks to get the best coach on the market.Schefter, Rapport, others have all said Jeem turned Denver down. Owner wouldn’t take no for an answer, kept after Jeem.
There's a reason no contract has been announced. He wants out badly, but is playing it right to get as much money as he can if he's forced to stay...again
Apparently Jim Harbaugh, as early as this morning, thought he was the guy. Instead, Denver was like "well, we gave up picks for a washed up QB, lets give up more for a coach?"😍 REALLY,IF I'm UofM I'm keeping that under wraps
Apparently Jim Harbaugh, as early as this morning, thought he was the guy. Instead, Denver was like "well, we gave up picks for a washed up QB, lets give up more for a coach?"
Maybe the OL is important for a good Qb to be great?Yup.
put $5 large on the gameOr put it on a prop on the length of the anthem and go to bed early
you'll be fully engaged
As someone who has always been (a) primarily a college football fan, and (b) a fan of the Lions as my NFL team, it's still weird to me that people (legitimately) view the Super Bowl as the pinnacle of their football viewing. It's like a more entertaining Oscars to me. I hate watching games I care about with friends, but I hate watching the Super Bowl without them. I don't think I've ever been fully engaged with oneTotally agree.
Man this year NOBODY I know seems to be hosting anyone.We usually host a Super Bowl party every year, but this year my our nephew got married on New Years Eve and had a ton of alcohol left over from the wedding, so he is hosting. Nice not having to do all the prep work.
And I sure don't want to do it-- if I host, there's no way I can leave early.
Tell us how you really feel.Mahomes wife and brother are literally the worst. But then again so are Philly fans. Hard to pick which group sucks more.
Philly fans are absolutely the worst fans in all of sports. Mahomes seems like a great kid, but he has probably the most hatable supporting cast ever with his gay douchebag tiktok dancing brother and c*nt wife who argues with fans in public and on social media. Didn't she even throw a beer at an opposing fan talking shit about Mahomes? Not to mention Travis Kelce is like Vanilla Ice re-incarnate. White Chocolate. A wannabe.You care way too much about sports if you give a fuck about relatives of athletes (barring a personal attack). Also what are you attacks on Travis Kelce even supposed to mean? He's a top 5 offensive tight end of all time.
One of the rare sporting events where I truly wish both teams could lose.
Not to mention Travis Kelce is like Vanilla Ice re-incarnate. White Chocolate. A wannabe.YAWNING,ya I'll take that vanilla
YAWNING,ya I'll take that vanillahttps://twitter.com/tkelce/status/17065752852?t=fhRzEZLbIygIDIOIWfsmTw&s=19
- 10th-year tight end enters his 10th season with the Chiefs in 2022.
- For the fifth-straight season in 2020, Kelce eclipsed 1,000 receiving yards, extending his previously established NFL record for tight ends of four such seasons.
- Kelce becomes only the 26th pass catcher in NFL history – and is the first tight end – to record at least five-consecutive 1,000-receiving yard seasons.That's called being machine like,consistently efficient
- With 1,416 receiving yards in 2020, set the NFL record for the most receiving yards by a tight end in NFL history, passing 49ers TE George Kittle's previous record of 1,377 yards set in 2018.
- He finished the 2020 season with 1,643 receiving yards in the regular and postseason, also the most by a tight end in NFL history.
- Became the fastest tight end in NFL history to reach the 500-reception plateau, doing so in 95 career games played.
C'mon if that was Gronk you'd be building a shrine like Cerrano did to JOBU
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Go Chefs!Great googily moogily
Turns out the buddy whose house I was crashing at in Scottsdale for this past weekend’s Phoenix Open has tickets to the big game and pregame festivities for him and his girlfriend:Tbh, I'd rather go to the Phoenix Open. Behind the Masters, and an Open Championship at the Old Course, that would be my #3 golf spectator choice
(https://i.imgur.com/PBAKicV.jpg)
Hey! Lager is brewed closer to Philadelphia then Pittsburgh... though, I'm sure if you polled Pottsville they'd be more Steelers fans.
Damn. Every big game is altered by poor officiating.Perfectly fine take, as long as it's solely "poor officiating" and not bad officiating "considering the circumstances" or some shit.
Perfectly fine take, as long as it's solely "poor officiating" and not bad officiating "considering the circumstances" or some shit.Yes. I am pulling for KC - have a small bet with a coworker.
I'd like to think having such a dumbass ending to a great game would have the NFL rethinking how they ref games, but they will probably go to having triple secret replay instead.Yep. Just a repeat of last season’s ending.
I'd like to think having such a dumbass ending to a great game would have the NFL rethinking how they ref games, but they will probably go to having triple secret replay instead.That was a penalty on the first series of the game, and it's a penalty on the last series.
That was a penalty on the first series of the game, and it's a penalty on the last series.There lies the problem. All holding calls and non-calls are a question of opinion and degree.
I would also like to think that the NFL and the Cardinals would figure out how to put a field in that stadium that wouldnt make Candlestick Park and Soldier Field in December shining examples of turf management.
There lies the problem. All holding calls and non-calls are a question of opinion and degree.
That was not a penalty in the first series or any series leading up to that point but suddenly it was a penalty when it tipped the game over the top and virtually ended it.
Everyone is aware the player who drew the flag even said it was a penalty, correct?
What's he supposed to say? Disagree and get fined?"I was hoping he would let it go, but of course he's a ref, it was a big game," Bradberry said after the Eagles' 38-35 loss. "It was a hold, so they called it."
Everyone is aware the player who drew the flag even said it was a penalty, correct?He didn’t say it was a penalty. He said he tugged his jersey lately and thought the officials would let it slide.
He didn’t say it was a penalty. He said he tugged his jersey lately and thought the officials would let it slide.No, he said he HOPED they would let it slide, but that it was a holding
The officials had let that slide all game for both teams and call the game very evenly in my opinion, at least up to that call right there which clearly had little to no impact on the incomplete pass.
i don't trust a player's opinion when they say they did not foul, why would i care when they say they did?Huh?
Even if the Eagles got the ball back the refs would have suddenly remembered that the left tackle can't start blocking before the snapGood point. Seems like he was doing that in every play.
Soldier Field was fine until the alien spaceship landed on top of it.
Next year, legendary stadium Soldier Field will turn 100 years old. While it is one of the oldest active sports venues in the country, it does not have the same historic value and charm as classics like Wrigley Field and Fenway Park.
Soldier Field was fine until the alien spaceship landed on top of it.I think Soldier Field was turning (quickly) into a royal dump and was way past due for renovations. Then the alien spaceship landed on top of it.
Huh?self serving or not, they aren't good judges of rules or how to apply them, or even what happened on field. trying to be honest doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about, and i generally don't trust players to know.
Because one is self serving
that is not the proper nomenclature, DudeYeah...well....that's just like....your opinion, man.
Correct any bad calls after the coin flip count equally. many times the most egregious were buried from memory in the 1st half
There were many penalties called and uncalled, and many subjective plays either reviewed or not reviewed or reviewed incorrectly by the refs, that went both ways. It's easy to focus on the one at the end without considering how the teams arrived there.
Joel Klatt said it well too.Now I know this is a bad take
Now I know this is a bad takeNot often I disagree with you. But this time I do. Because I think Joel is correct/ and even if you don’t read that article I just posted- look at the film. On the play in question- there were at least 2 egregious holding infractions on KC that weren’t called- just on that play.
A broken clock is right 2 more times per day than Joel Klatt, without even looking into what he is talking aboutPlease read the article if you get 5. It is not Klatt.
I think Joel Klatt is often right, at least with respect to college football. For example, he's one of the only ones that points out all of the gaming of the system the SEC does and how it bolsters the SEC mythos amongst the mediots and fans. Obviously this is a Fox agenda item but it's also correct and I applaud him for braving the SECSECSEC mediot dipshittery and standing firm in his convictions.Joel Klatt thinks ESPN is wrong in that only the SEC is infallible. When in fact the narrative should be that all helmets are infallible. His slurping of UM and OSU makes Dick Vitale look like a Duke hater
I dub that Super Bowl the Wet Fart Bowl. Refs shouldn't end great games on grabass calls. That is my story and I'm sticking to it.https://youtu.be/FiyYu6fx-BM
https://youtu.be/FiyYu6fx-BMBest call in history. Also, it didn't end the game. It made the game even better. A+ reffing.
Joel Klatt thinks ESPN is wrong in that only the SEC is infallible. When in fact the narrative should be that all helmets are infallible. His slurping of UM and OSU makes Dick Vitale look like a Duke haterI don't recall him ever talking about UM or tOSU so I'll take your word for it.
I'm indifferent to his performance in the booth, but that's very subjective and personal so I get it when folks don't like a particular person. I too used to like Gus Johnson better than I do lately.agreed - Klatt is a good studio analysist ,him and Gus go over the top slurping participants however. Almost like they stopped at a tailgate on their way to the booth still singing fight songs
As a studio analyst/talk show guy, I consider Klatt to be well above most of his peers.
I think Joel Klatt is often right, at least with respect to college football. For example, he's one of the only ones that points out all of the gaming of the system the SEC doesI notice you didn't use the phrase, "breaking of the rules."
Maybe he slobs on UT as well so I don't notice? I honestly don't recall him talking much about us, there's not much reason to when we've sucked for a decade and a half.Well he has expanded on the fabulous tail gate scene and the still vacant husk of their EE program since it's inception
I said it in late October and I said it again to my wife before the game, although I did not know how the Chiefs would win 'cuz I thought Philly was the better team.....God will not let a team with no Tigers win a SB.Voodoo and Vodka are a wonderful thing
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