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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2022, 04:37:58 PM
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Who would the national champions be if the pre-bowl/playoff #1 kept the crown?
2021 - Alabama
2020 - Alabama
2019 - LSU
2018 - Alabama
2017 - Clemson
2016 - Alabama
2015 - Clemson
2014 - Alabama
2013 - FSU
2012 - Alabama
2011 - LSU
2010 - Auburn
2009 - Alabama
2008 - Florida
2007 - Ohio St
2006 - Ohio St
2005 - USC
2004 - USC
2003 - USC
2002 - Miami
2001 - Miami
2000 - OU
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I started looking at this and most recently, it's pretty boring, with Bama and Clemson trading NC seasons - yawn. But look at pre-2008: 3 little mini-dynasties. An actual 3-peat.
I'll go back further later to see if Miami loses out on many NCs in the 80s and if any of the blue-bloods benefits going back into the 70s.
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It's crazy to think the AP voted after bowls and the UPI didn't for a time.
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1999 - FSU
1998 - Tennessee
1997 - Michigan/Nebraska
1996 - FSU
1995 - Nebraska
1994 - Nebraska
1993 - FSU
1992 - Miami
1991 - Miami/Washington
1990 - Colorado/GT
1989 - Colorado
1988 - Notre Dame
1987 - OU
1986 - Miami
1985 - Penn St
1984 - BYU
1983 - Nebraska
1982 - Georgia
1981 - Clemson
1980 - Georgia
So looking at these 20 years, FSU and CU get an extra nattie while Miami loses a couple. It's interesting that in the 80s, all the same teams basically win it, just in different seasons. No big upset for Penn State in 86, but they finished the regular season first in 85. That takes OU's in 85, but they finished first in 87.
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And there's just no getting around BYU in 84. A half-dozen things could have individually happened to avoid it, but none of them happened.
If Nebraska had beaten OU.
If Washington had won the Pac-10.
If Florida wasn't on probation.
If OU had beaten Washington in the OB.
If OK State had beaten OU and won the OB.
If South Carolina had beaten sub-.500 Navy.
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saying a bowl game is just an exhibition sounds like a losers excuse
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Tracking the '84 season week to week is fascinating. You could add several other scenarios to that list. Until the year two loss LSU won the BCS crown, it was the most infamous season for teams that climbed the mountain to Nos. 1 or 2 in the polls only to keep gagging up a game.
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saying a bowl game is just an exhibition sounds like a losers excuse
It either counts or it doesn't, and for a long while, it didn't.
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exhibitions aren't necessarily silly
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exhibitions aren't necessarily silly
See: Rocky IV
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I wouldn't use the term "silly", I'd just say they were "primarily exhibitions not considered in the AP final poll".
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Bowls were created to be exhibitions. An opportunity for the sponsors to advertise, a reward to the team for a good season, and a chance for the fans to maybe travel to a nice holiday destination.
This was the view until the mid 60s, and at that point some sentiment changed and decided they should count into the polls. But the fact that the coaches' poll and the AP didn't fully switch until the early 70s, demonstrates that even then, sentiment was divided on how important the postseason was.
To this day, many coaches and teams view the bowls as meaningless exhibitions. Not the BCS/CFP, but pretty much any other bowl. Uness he was playing for the NC, Mack Brown cared very little about the bowl game he was in. He used the majority of the extra practice working on next season, and only spent a couple of days installing his gameplan for the current opponent. Lots of coaches view them that way still, and obviously the players care less and less about them each year, as the number of opt-outs skyrockets.
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Yeah, opt outs are becoming expected of draftable players. I don't blame them.
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It'd be silly to get hurt in an exhibition.
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So are ooc games exhibitions also?
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So are ooc games exhibitions also?
No, they are regular season games. And since they're often early in the season, they have a great deal to do with a team's trajectory for that season.
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So are ooc games exhibitions also?
Do teams take a month off before each OOC game? Do they have activities for a week leading up to the game? Do they get a bunch of swag? Are patches swen onto their jerseys to commemorate the big OOC game vs Toledo?
Ugh.
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So are ooc games exhibitions also?
I have often on here since guys started opting out a bowl games wondered what the difference is between bowl games and late season games for teams that aren't in CFP contention.
I have no problem with guys opting out, but if Kenneth Walker is going to opt out of the Peach Bowl, why did he play in the season finale that solely determined if Michigan State was going to be in a new year six bowl that he wasn't going to play in?
I have also suggested replacing innersquad Spring Games with games against FCS opponents. And the counter is that coaches do not want to risk injury. Is a game that technically counts, but is really just a 50 point purchased win, in September more worth risking injury than one that doesn't count in April? I'm assuming coaches treat those games as glorified scrimmages anyway, and aside from catastrophic knee injuries, any injuries suffered in early April, would impact your season less than one suffered in early September
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OOC games are serious items for contenders obviously. Imagine UGA had lost to Clemson last year. They barely won.
I suppose for noncontenders, every game is irrelevant. Why do Vandy players suit up ever?
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I presume if a player "opts out", they are dropped from the team, right? Ergo, scholarship monies stop. If you don't plan to keep attending that is not an issue of course.
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I presume if a player "opts out", they are dropped from the team, right? Ergo, scholarship monies stop. If you don't plan to keep attending that is not an issue of course.
Right, I haven't heard of any underclassmen that plan on returning, opting out. Typically only guys who are preparing for the NFL draft, or don't plan to return for other reasons.
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I think they usually quit college, they ain't there to play school.
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Right, but why just the bowl then?
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It's the end of the semester? And it affords the right amount of time to prep for the combine?
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players opting out are still pampered by the programs
since they may be drafted and have a shot in the NFL, programs hope to use them as recruiting tools
they are still welcome in the facilities to work out and get treatment - meals and other benefits
invited to the "pro day" for NFL scouts
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I'd rather see them committed to playing in the bowl game.
Otherwise the program should no longer be committed to them
Let their agent take care of them
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Good luck recruiting.
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perhaps a couple senators could introduce a bill to level the recruiting playing field
have all players that opt out of silly exhibitions banned from campus
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Then you'd have a lot of "hamstring pulls" 3 minutes into the games....
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fine, at least you went to practice for 3 weeks and made the trip for warm ups
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fine, at least you went to practice for 3 weeks and made the trip for warm ups
Right, keeping in shape for the combine and getting to travel with your boys.
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well, if they're your boys
if they are not and you're just a selfish pig grabbing the agent's $$$, then have your agent take care of you
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It's an interesting question, and at the root is whether these are student athletes or professionals, and I think we all likely agree on what the elite players are.
Imagine you are just a student, but elite, and some company comes calling and offers you a million a year if you will drop out and work for them, and you like the work.
Whoosh.
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obviously, I suppose it could be similar if said elite student was working on a team project of some national merit and gave up on the team
and if the elite student wanted to come back to campus to reap the benefits of the facilities and the staff while pocketing the million
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It's an interesting question, and at the root is whether these are student athletes or professionals, and I think we all likely agree on what the elite players are.
Imagine you are just a student, but elite, and some company comes calling and offers you a million a year if you will drop out and work for them, and you like the work.
Whoosh.
2 or 3 of my high school friends who probably make the most money of our crew now did exactly this. They were doing well at UF, but were so good that they got poached by companies before completing their degrees.
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I think it's a rare junior who would be of significant value to a hiring entity. And they would be hard to find by a company, who likely won't even be looking. We had minimum degree requirements for most job positions. It gets you partially in the door, a door that would not exist for nondegreed people.
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I think they were either interning already or part-time sidework. If your employee is already very good at the job, why does he need that magical piece of paper that says he is?
A degree is evidence of some baseline of knowledge/ability in a field.....if you already have first-hand evidence with your own eyes, isn't that even better?
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Yeah, I recall we had interns. I was asked if I wanted one for a summer a few times, I always said no. My friends who had them regretted their decisions.
But there could be the rare intern who would make a splash. I know this is very common with engineers, a requirement most places. Anyway, our company required the piece of paper. I was offered the job before I graduated, as is common, but it was contingent on getting the piece of paper.
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Yeah, I recall we had interns. I was asked if I wanted one for a summer a few times, I always said no. My friends who had them regretted their decisions.
But there could be the rare intern who would make a splash. I know this is very common with engineers, a requirement most places. Anyway, our company required the piece of paper. I was offered the job before I graduated, as is common, but it was contingent on getting the piece of paper.
That's because you worked for a stogie stick in the mud company. Whenever you are in the downtown cincinnati area, you immediately recognize who works there. They all look the same. Same style suit, same style tie, etc. :57:
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Most folks quit wearing ties when I was there. That could have changed back I suppose. I'm headed back Wednesday, the CSO conductor is departing and my wife wanted to see his last concert and wish him well. Hotel rates have really jumped lately.
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Most folks quit wearing ties when I was there. That could have changed back I suppose. I'm headed back Wednesday, the CSO conductor is departing and my wife wanted to see his last concert and wish him well. Hotel rates have really jumped lately.
I haven't lived in cincy for a number of years so yep things probably changed
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how long before a paid player is asked not to play or some other way to affect an outcome of the game?
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or, asked to play in the bowl game