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Title: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: ATexasVol on February 08, 2018, 12:31:33 AM
There is no "both sides" when it comes to facts.  We now know, as we have long suspected, that Obama was involved in the coverup of Hillary Clinton's crimes and the surveillance of the Trump transition team.  His administration used government assets in an attempt to rig the 2016 election.   


‘I guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Department or the FBI’ (https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-obama-insists-he-doesnt-get-involved-fbi-investiga)



WALLACE: "Mr. President, when you say what you just said -- what Josh Earnest said as he did, your spokesman, in January -- 'the information from the Justice Department is that she's not a target,' some people, I think, are worried whether or not the decision, whether or not how to handle the case, will be decided on political grounds, not legal grounds. Can you guarantee to the American people, can you direct the Justice Department to say, 'Hillary Clinton will be treated as the evidence goes, she will not in any way be protected.'" 
OBAMA: “I can guarantee that. I can guarantee that not because I give Attorney General Lynch a directive, that is institutionally how we have always operated. I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it --"
WALLACE: "--So, just to button this up --"
OBAMA: "I guarantee it. I guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Department or the FBI, not just in this case but in any case. Full stop Period."
WALLACE: "-- And she will be treated no differently?--"
OBAMA: "Guaranteed, full stop, period. Nobody gets treated differently when it comes to the Justice Department because nobody is above the law.”
WALLACE: “Even if she ends up as the Democratic nominee?” 
OBAMA: “How many times do I have to say it, Chris? Guaranteed.”
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: fuzzynavol on February 08, 2018, 09:53:31 AM
There is no "both sides" when it comes to facts.  We now know, as we have long suspected, that Obama was involved in the coverup of Hillary Clinton's crimes and the surveillance of the Trump transition team.

You are alleging his "administration" did, not that he did directly, correct?
 
His administration used government assets in an attempt to rig the 2016 election.  

Okay, I see - interesting rhetorical slight of hand.  The administration is different from the administration, correct?

OBAMA: “I can guarantee that. I can guarantee that not because I give Attorney General Lynch a directive, that is institutionally how we have always operated. I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations. I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations. We have a strict line and always have maintained it --"

Okay, so here you're alleging a direct lie from Obama.  No you need to link to proof that he talked to FBI directors about a pending investigation (in the context of pressuring the outcome, which was what he was denying), and that it happened after he made this statement.  

If you accomplish this then you will have finally, at long last, caught Obama telling a lie.  That would be your first actual fact to support your narrative for the past 9 years.  

Of course now you might want to focus on cleaning up your own camp.  Trump has told over 2,000 in his 1st year.  

Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: roadvol on February 08, 2018, 10:04:28 AM
You're demanding absolute proof before taking this accusation seriously?
So under those circumstances I have to assume you want to end the Russian Collusion Investigation by Mueller  since there has been no absolute proof of any collusion ever found? 
I have to commend you on your sense of justice.
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: steve37777 on February 08, 2018, 10:27:01 AM
Was Obama's lips moving?    :)

Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: fuzzynavol on February 08, 2018, 10:50:06 AM
You're demanding absolute proof before taking this accusation seriously?

If I didn't take it seriously, then I wouldn't have responded to it.  Texie started out his post lecturing us about facts, so I think he should provide some.  

You may not require proof, or even any evidence at all, to convict the people you want to convict of anything you want, but as a rational adult, I do.  

So under those circumstances I have to assume you want to end the Russian Collusion Investigation by Mueller since there has been no absolute proof of any collusion ever found?

What?  I haven't said anyone should stop searching for any facts.  I've simply disputed Texie's conflating what appears to be yet another unfounded conspiracy theory with facts.  If he can prove he's got the facts, then so be it.  

Russian tampering has been established, and there's a mountain of evidence, granted some circumstantial, of collusion.  Is there anybody in his family or his (former) administration that hasn't been shown to have some sort of questionable if not nefarious relationship with Russia?  Trump lied about releasing his tax returns, and publicly implored for the Russians to hack into Hillary's emails, etc.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ)

A significant numbers of Republicans have enough integrity to support the investigation.  I get the pleasure of arguing with the most strident fringe who have convinced themselves of Trump's innocence.  

I have to commend you on your sense of justice.

I wish I could return the compliment.  
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: BrownCounty on February 08, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
I can't believe the nation is entertaining this blatant obfuscation.  Does it just make good TV or something?

All the while that Hillary is caught being fed debate questions, Bill is "talking grandkids" on the tarmac, private servers are turning up like cats jumping out of a bag, and blackberries are getting bludgeoned by hammers, we are sidetracked by some mysterious "collusion" cloud where nothing tangible has been uncovered after how many months now?

In the event of any so-called "collusion", how many votes did Putin cast?  In the event of any so-called "collusion", what exactly about "collusion" is ILLEGAL?

This is almost surreal how Democrats and the MSM are able to pull off and perpetuate this side show that means almost nothing, and it's sole intent is to bog down the Trump presidency for 4 years.

Trump is/was a playboy.  Trump has been married 3 times.  Trump said "grab 'em by the wussy"...  And any of that would cause me more pause than this collusion farce.

oooooo "Russia"....ooooo the dirty word "Russia"......  Are you kidding me?  The biggest proponents of this collusion propaganda would turn this country socialist faster than you can say USSR.  They love Russia - but right now, Russiaphobia is what's selling, so they'll go with it.

Some days I wish Trump would just fire Mueller and say "your move MSM".  Bring it!  Maybe when his approval crosses the 50% threshold.  Or maybe Trump has this all calculated such that he wins again, in the end.  Trump's ability to win is just as magical as the Dems ability to perpetuate this "collusion" drama.  Except the Dems have been losing at the hand of Trump, so I'll go with precedent.
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: roadvol on February 08, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
Of course Trump dealt with the Russians....he had numerous business dealings with them with his TV shows and real estate developments.......FYI...that's not against the law. I've dealt with Russians before on business transactions as have millions of other US citizens.
Now...you really want to talk about shady dealing with the Ruskies?
Try buying false information on Trump from the Russians and feeding it to the FBI and various MSM news .
outlets in order to get a FISA warrant on the Trump campaign. That should get any law abiding citizen looking for the truth like yourself interested.
Truth is..the Dems opened a can of worms about Russian meddling due to their hatred of Trump and have found they are the guilty ones....How ironic!!

Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: P1tchBlack on February 08, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
Was Obama's lips moving?    :)
I was thinking the same thing... about every politician including Trump.  Politician lying is about as shocking as them breathing.
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: BrownCounty on February 08, 2018, 03:21:46 PM
I was thinking the same thing... about every politician including Trump.
I will somewhat challenge this.  I don't think Trump tells lies in the same spirit as do most politicians.  I think Trump has honest intent.  Trump doesn't wake up every morning plotting his next set of lies as do establishment politicians.

Truth is Trump's enemy more than falsehoods.  He says what he thinks.  He blurts it out.  And then of course it's spun by the MSM to be 10x worse and 10x broader in scope.  And of course there are things he shouldn't say - but that's just the lack of politician in him.

My only disappointment is that Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall.  Well...I want to see that darn near literally.  As much as he said it, it's fair for me to expect an almost immediate return on this.  However, I don't think he was outright *lying*, I think the intent was there.  He just hadn't learned all the ropes yet.

Trump is not a chronic liar.  He's a boob who means well - but evidently not as much of a boob as he can portray.  The man wins.
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: P1tchBlack on February 08, 2018, 04:21:31 PM
I will somewhat challenge this.  I don't think Trump tells lies in the same spirit as do most politicians.  I think Trump has honest intent.  Trump doesn't wake up every morning plotting his next set of lies as do establishment politicians.

Truth is Trump's enemy more than falsehoods.  He says what he thinks.  He blurts it out.  And then of course it's spun by the MSM to be 10x worse and 10x broader in scope.  And of course there are things he shouldn't say - but that's just the lack of politician in him.

My only disappointment is that Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall.  Well...I want to see that darn near literally.  As much as he said it, it's fair for me to expect an almost immediate return on this.  However, I don't think he was outright *lying*, I think the intent was there.  He just hadn't learned all the ropes yet.

Trump is not a chronic liar.  He's a boob who means well - but evidently not as much of a boob as he can portray.  The man wins.
You're saying he's too dumb to be devious?
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: BrownCounty on February 08, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
You're saying he's too dumb to be devious?
No, I'm saying I'm keeping more of my money and the stock market is climbing again.
You can spin the rest however you want.
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: fuzzynavol on February 08, 2018, 06:55:48 PM
and the stock market is climbing again

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/tjyNprwpscPHa/200.gif#79-grid1)
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: ATexasVol on February 08, 2018, 09:34:36 PM
No slight of hand needed here fuzzie.  The video speaks for itself.  Did you watch it?  If you did, you heard Obama lying.  Of course he was keenly aware of everything that was going on.   Do you think Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton on the Phoenix tarmac without Obama's knowledge?  Did you see the text from Page to Strzok?  “Potus wants to know everything we’re doing.”  Why do you think the Obama administration, just before he left office, expanded the NSA's powers - including the type of surveillance data that the NSA could share with other agencies?  The only 2+2 you can put together equals Trump/Russia/Collusion.  

When it comes to abuse of power, I had hoped that Democrats would want the truth.  We trust our federal government to obey the Constitution, follow the rules, and behave in a non-partisan, unbiased manner.  Many of the higher-ups in the FBI, DOJ, and NSA violated that trust.  Many in the Obama administration violated that trust.  It's time for a reckoning. 

But apparently you're comfortable with someone like Obama abusing the powers of the Federal Government to spy on and intimidate their political opponents.  As long as it's your side that is winning, that's all that matters to you, isn't it?   
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: highVOLtage on February 08, 2018, 09:42:34 PM
Obama was the President who "wanted to know everything (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-man-who-wanted-to-know-everything-1518027190)" but only found out about it all by watching the news (https://ijr.com/2015/03/266622-bongino-attkisson-weigh-7-times-obama-learned-important-events-news/).
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: fuzzynavol on February 08, 2018, 10:47:12 PM
Did you see the text from Page to Strzok?  “Potus wants to know everything we’re doing.”    

I know you won't give this a fair reading or proper consideration, since it conflicts with what you desperately want to believe, but here's what the Washington Post had to say about it (feel free to point out any factual errors):
If Obama had been meddling in an ongoing investigation of a political ally, that would have been inappropriate. But it was impossible to discern from the texts alone what specifically the president was inquiring about. 
The Clinton email investigation had been closed for two months, though it would be reopened in October, after the bureau came across potential new evidence in an unrelated case. 
After referencing the Clinton case earlier in the day, Page noted an upcoming meeting, and Strzok responded, “TPs for D?” using abbreviations that likely refer to talking points for the FBI Director. 
“Yes, bc potus wants to know everything we are doing,” Page wrote back.
A person familiar with the president’s request said Page and Strzok were discussing Obama’s interest in Russian meddling in the 2016 election — not the Clinton email case. He’d been briefed the previous month on Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s involvement in a campaign to disrupt and discredit the U.S. presidential race and help Trump get elected.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-declares-newly-released-fbi-texts-“bombshells”-though-the-picture-they-paint-is-murky/ar-BBIQ4Sv?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-declares-newly-released-fbi-texts-“bombshells”-though-the-picture-they-paint-is-murky/ar-BBIQ4Sv?li=BBnb7Kz)

Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: SLM85VOL on February 09, 2018, 01:35:02 AM
It's worth seeing the POS lying again:

https://www.facebook.com/203805062990264/videos/1821454104817079/ (https://www.facebook.com/203805062990264/videos/1821454104817079/)
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: ATexasVol on February 09, 2018, 09:10:40 AM

I know you won't give this a fair reading or proper consideration, since it conflicts with what you desperately want to believe, 

Says the person who is glad CNN doesn't fairly report the news, but only dishes out "the truth" as they define it.  That's why I cited more than one piece of evidence, and there is much much more than what I mentioned in my brief post. 

but here's what the Washington Post had to say about it (feel free to point out any factual errors):


That's why I cited more than one piece of evidence, and there is much much more than what I mentioned in my brief post.  When all the facts are put together, it's pretty damning.  The more that comes out, the worse it looks.  But go back to watching CNN and Colbert, where the news is tailored to fit the agenda of the establishment Democrat party.   
Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: fuzzynavol on February 09, 2018, 12:44:09 PM


Says the person who is glad CNN doesn't fairly report the news
 
That's a lie.  

but only dishes out "the truth" as they define it
 
That's true.  



That's why I cited more than one piece of evidence
 
You cited multiple accusations and provided one piece of flimsy "evidence" where there is a reasonable explanation.  Logically, your options were to attempt to refute my response, or acknowledge its validity.  Instead, you chose to double down ignoring your obligation to address the new information from the WaPo.  That's neither a debate nor a conversation - it's demagoguery.
 
When all the facts are put together, it's pretty damning.
 
Yes, when I present you with additional facts that debunk your baseless accusations and you choose to ignore them, then it is pretty damning.

The more that comes out, the worse it looks.
 
Only to those who believe whatever they want to believe and are impervious to new information that counters their prejudices.
   

Title: Re: Video of President Obama lying
Post by: BrownCounty on February 09, 2018, 12:45:54 PM
Bigger fonts.  We need bigger fonts.