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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on February 10, 2022, 03:22:53 PM
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Hey the sides agreed to a draft lottery and a universal DH today, so baby steps?
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They really aren't far on much. I could see some shortened season, certainly a abridged spring.
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They really aren't far on much. I could see some shortened season, certainly a abridged spring.
In 1990 they reached an agreement March 14, had a three week Spring Training and started April 9.
I might be slightly off on those dates, but they are roughly correct.
I could certainly live with a 148 game season, that knocked off two weeks of playing in snow
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What irks me is that the teams are still actively, enthusiastically selling full-priced spring training tickets.
Assholes.
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The players I know all think ST is far too long.
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The players I know all think ST is far too long.
Maybe I'll just be accused of knowing nothing about baseball, which is true, but I can't understand why spring training would need to be very long at all.
I don't see baseball as requiring the level of team cohesion of a football, or basketball, or soccer, etc.
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I'm told that 60 years ago, a lot of players showed up having done little to stay in shape, so there was a need for that aspect, conditioning. Nowadays, nobody shows up except in top shape, no one (and they are still sore for a week or so). I think it's mostly for the minor leaguers now to get some time to show their stuff. The major leaguers play little, work on some basics to stay sharp.
I know when I was 25, I could get in pretty good shape in a week, easy. I can't do anything like that now of course. But they all say it lasts too long today, the are ex major leaguers.
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Yeah the pitchers need to get stretched out, but that's about it. With all of the data and video they have, they don't really need to see minor leaguers prove they deserve a spot either
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Pitchers used to work on bunting, and of course that tricky play covering first base.
Steve Avery old me that he would throw hard between starts in the regular season, I had thought they rested the second day entirely, and then threw some long toss maybe, and then on day three maybe a sim inning.
How many bunts happened last year? How many complete games?
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I'm told that 60 years ago, a lot of players showed up having done little to stay in shape, so there was a need for that aspect, conditioning. Nowadays, nobody shows up except in top shape, no one (and they are still sore for a week or so). I think it's mostly for the minor leaguers now to get some time to show their stuff. The major leaguers play little, work on some basics to stay sharp.
I know when I was 25, I could get in pretty good shape in a week, easy. I can't do anything like that now of course. But they all say it lasts too long today, the are ex major leaguers.
i know that's hyperbole (or maybe just a joke that wooooshed), but there's 0 chance that no one shows up out of shape. in every sport i follow, there is always at least 1 player you were counting on that shows up out of shape. and that's with all the offseason babysitting teams do.
having said that, outside of curling, pool, and golf, baseball is probably the sport it's least imperative to be tip top shape coming in.
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Isnt there supposed to be a players strike happening?
Sorry if this has been already discussed.
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Isnt there supposed to be a players strike happening?
Sorry if this has been already discussed.
Lockout by the owners
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Isnt there supposed to be a players strike happening?
Sorry if this has been already discussed.
Yeah, this is about how accurate your posts are.
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Yeah, this is about how accurate your posts are.
so help me God if you dont deserve to be banned nobody ever will be asshole
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https://criticalflame.org/the-greatest-facing-ted-williams/
Bob Feller, the man Ted called the best pitcher he ever faced, noted that "trying to throw a fastball by him was like trying to sneak a sunbeam past a rooster in the morning . . . very difficult!" Feller added the obvious, that Williams "had a good eye and very good hand-eye coordination, which is what made him so great."
from van meter Iowa BTW FF
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yup, I've been to van meter
https://vanmeteria.gov/BobFellerMuseum.aspx (https://vanmeteria.gov/BobFellerMuseum.aspx)
https://youtu.be/d9vo9aWJjZA
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Evidently early in their careers Feller dominated Williams after like '48(The last Cleveland Championship) Teddy ballgame flipped the script.Later how ever On the subject of pitchers, in Ted's autobiography written with John Underwood, Ted opines regarding Bob Lemon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lemon) (a sinker-ball specialist) pitching for the Cleveland Indians around 1951: "I have to rate Lemon as one of the very best pitchers I ever faced. His ball was always moving, hard, sinking, fast-breaking. You could never really uhmmmph with Lemon."
Damn Indians had some great clubs before i was around.Maybe the almighty might let us take a trip back in time but the 60s/70s/80s :o SMDH interesting and a lot of characters however
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"Ted Williams was the greatest hitter I ever saw, but (Joe) DiMaggio was the greatest all around player." - Bob Feller
"I would rather beat the Yankees regularly than pitch a no hit game." (Bob Feller
Babe Ruth may have built it, but on April 30, 1946, Bob Feller was the Man of the House at Yankee Stadium, tossing the second no-hitter of his legendary Cleveland Indians career during a 1-0 Tribe victory in front of more than 38,000 fans in the Bronx.
Feller struck out 11 and walked five Yankees, allowing just one baserunner to get as far as third during a game that lasted 2:14.
Cleveland catcher Frank Hayes launched a solo home run with one out in the ninth inning against New York starter Bill Bevens for the only run of the afternoon. Bevens nearly equaled Feller, striking out five while scattering seven hits. Feller later credited Hayes not only with hitting the game-winner against Bevens, but also for his work behind the plate.
It was the first no-hitter in Yankee Stadium history and the first time the Bronx Bombers had been held without a hit since Indians righty Ray Caldwell did so in a 3-0 win during the 1919 season.
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nicknamed "The Heater from Van Meter", "Bullet Bob", and "Rapid Robert"
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https://invinciblenglish.blogspot.com/2009/10/but-i-fear-indians-of-cleveland.html
From Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea
When I come back you can tell me about the baseball.”
“The Yankees cannot lose.”
“But I fear the Indians of Cleveland.”
all before free agency of course
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Feller is the answer to most age-related young-pitcher trivia questions as Mel Ott is the answer to most hitter questions of the same ilk.
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I would obviously prefer baseball to not baseball, but by cancelling the first two series of the year, Detroit misses a season opening west coast trip to Seattle and Oakland, so I don't hate that for maintaining a playoff narrative for longer
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Beisbol es back!
Full season scheduled, tentatively.
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Sign Freddie.
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There should be a flurry of FA signings the likes of which we've never seen.
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This reminds me of why I dislike rankings, I just take that Ted Williams was very obviously ONE OF the greatest hitters of all time. I'd put some others in the group without a particular effort to rank them, they can all be tied at the top as far as I care.
Kinda hard to leave out Ty Cobb on the short list.
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Huh?
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Not a fan of the playoff expansion.
I *sort of* bought into going from 8 to 10 simply because it rewarded division winners, and made division races meaningful. They should have changed changed the WC game to a best of 3, and left it at that.
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The World Series champion is now officially a randomly-selected team from not necessarily the top 12 teams.
Cool.
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The World Series champion is now officially a randomly-selected team from not necessarily the top 12 teams.
Cool.
Its the word random I dont understand
to get into the playoffs you must win your division or be one of the 3 teams with the best record
obviously thats with each conference which will have 6 division winners and 6 additional teams with the best record combined
where does random come into play
let me just say I dont like having 12 teams in the playoff but its not a matter of it being random
what am I missing
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I'm going to be kind and pass.
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I'm going to be kind and pass.
smart move since you dont know what the hell youre talking about
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Grrrrrr!
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Grrrrrr!
I know it hurts when youre called out and really have no response
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....I told you I wouldn't respond.
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The World Series champion is now officially a randomly-selected team from not necessarily the top 12 teams.
Cool.
A random selection obviously would be just that, no need for a season at all, you just "draw names from a hat". I don't believe that is happening.
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A random selection obviously would be just that, no need for a season at all, you just "draw names from a hat". I don't believe that is happening.
of course it isnt happening
oam has just said something off the wall as he sometime does
I just thought maybe he might like to spain himself but it appears there is no basis for his comment
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I think he's commenting on the expanded playoffs and how that tends to mean a less capable team can often win.
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I think he's commenting on the expanded playoffs and how that tends to mean a less capable team can often win.
hey thats baseball
too bad they just dont use reg season stats to decide each game
like a board game
but even if it was only the division leaders playing you could make the same argument
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How boring it would be if the team with the better stats always won a playoff game
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Yeah, I don't like the expansion but whatever. As I said in the NCAA Tournament thread, this is all entertainment. It's a balancing act if you want it to mean anything, but the post season is the best part of sports, namely because the stakes are higher. Not sure why you would want to get rid of that.
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I heard the new agreement would stop a team from playing the shift to defend against hitters
is that correct or did I just dream it
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I heard the new agreement would stop a team from playing the shift to defend against hitters
is that correct or did I just dream it
I hope so. I hate it. People are saying it's old man yelling at cloud, but it would be like if football didn't have illegal formation penalties, and guys trotted out 9 WRs, a QB, and a C. I'm fine with innovation, but the game only works within certain parameters
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I hope so. I hate it. People are saying it's old man yelling at cloud, but it would be like if football didn't have illegal formation penalties, and guys trotted out 9 WRs, a QB, and a C. I'm fine with innovation, but the game only works within certain parameters
teams have played the shift for over 100 years
its just part of baseball
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teams have played the shift for over 100 years
its just part of baseball
And that's why I don't think you need to position guys concretely. I think if you say only 3 players can be behind the infield dirt, and of your four infielders, two need to be on either side of second base, it's still fine.
The problem is all of the analytics say that everything you were told has a player, was wrong. That the most efficient way to play baseball is incredibly boring. Yes, there have been shifts forever. But the batters were also told to choke up with two strikes, and go the opposite way. Now we've discovered, that giving up a chance to hit a home run, just to not strike out, is inefficient so we don't say that anymore. That anymore. We'd tell them to swing away, and they hit it right into the shift
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So has the shift been banned? Ive not been able to find that it has.
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I haven't either, I'm just saying what I've heard proposed, that I think feels like a good middle ground
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I haven't either, I'm just saying what I've heard proposed, that I think feels like a good middle ground
ok while we are at it lets stop the time at bat where 55 foul balls happen
I propose with 2 strikes on the batter he gets to foul 2 times only and if he fouls for a 3rd time the ball is dead and the batter is deemed to have struck out
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Eh, nothing about the way the game is going makes me inclined to give the parade of relievers an advantage
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Eh, nothing about the way the game is going makes me inclined to give the parade of relievers an advantage
so its all for the hitter nothing for the pitcher?
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The Major League Baseball Players' Association has agreed to rules changes starting in 2023 that would allow MLB to ban defensive shifts, implement a pitch clock, and enlarge the bases.
https://www.federalbaseball.com/2022/3/8/22966549/mlb-mlbpa-new-cba-lockout-end-of-the-shift-pitch-clock-larger-bases-changes-for-the-better#:~:text=The%20Major%20League%20Baseball%20Players,clock%2C%20and%20enlarge%20the%20bases.
Here are the new MLB rules for the 2022 season | RSN (nbcsports.com) (https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/here-are-new-mlb-rules-2022-season)
- or the 2022 season: The National League will adopt the designated hitter.
- For the 2023 season: Pitch clocks will be used, there will be a ban on defensive shifts, an automatic ball/strike zone will exist and there will be larger bases.
Postseason rules
- The postseason will expand to 12 teams.
- There will be no man on second base to start extra innings.
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so its all for the hitter nothing for the pitcher?
let's raise the mound 5 inches back to 1968
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automatic ball/strike zone???
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ok while we are at it lets stop the time at bat where 55 foul balls happen
I propose with 2 strikes on the batter he gets to foul 2 times only and if he fouls for a 3rd time the ball is dead and the batter is deemed to have struck out
Batting averages would plummet 100 points. Some hitters hit as many balls foul as fair. Think before you type.
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Batting averages would plummet 100 points. Some hitters hit as many balls foul as fair. Think before you type.
no different then rewarding a hitter for always hitting the ball in the same place like banning the shift would do
banning the shift would add 100 points to some hitting averages
Im only trying to even out the disadvantage that rule change would create
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So has the shift been banned? Ive not been able to find that it has.
Starting in 2023, infielders must have their feet touching the infield dirt. So while this doesn't ban actual bodies shifting to the other side of 2nd base, it does ban the type of shift where you have your 2nd or 3rd baseman positioned in short right field.
Also starting in 2023, there will be a pitch clock. 14 seconds between when the pitcher gets the ball and when he begins his pitching motion with no one on base. 19 seconds when someone is one base.
Both of these already exist in the minors.
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no different then rewarding a hitter for always hitting the ball in the same place like banning the shift would do
banning the shift would add 100 points to some hitting averages
Im only trying to even out the disadvantage that rule change would create
I understand, but
a - people want more offense
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b - completely wrecking offense would go against what people want
Baseball outcomes are like driving a car - tiny corrections. You can't just jack up the mound or change the strike zone or invent fouling out - they're like jerking the steering wheel to simply stay in your lane.
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adding 100 points to your batting average would be simple, just hit to the opposite field, away from the shift
but no one cares about batting average or singles
all about the HR
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I understand, but
a - people want more offense
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b - completely wrecking offense would go against what people want
Baseball outcomes are like driving a car - tiny corrections. You can't just jack up the mound or change the strike zone or invent fouling out - they're like jerking the steering wheel to simply stay in your lane.
I agree which is why banning the shift is bad
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adding 100 points to your batting average would be simple, just hit to the opposite field, away from the shift
but no one cares about batting average or singles
all about the HR
I dont agree with that at all
there are plenty of players with high averages that dont have a lot of home runs
and its not that easy hitting to the opposite field with the ball coming in at 95 plus mph
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Power hitters today, the ones who pull routinely, would have difficulty hitting the opposite way. Freeman did it some, he's an exceptional hitter. I know Ted W. would do it. Nobody would shift on Cobb. They would on Ruth or Barry B.
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I agree which is why banning the shift is bad
Teams only began radically shifting the past 10 years. This is an effort to simply resort back to then.
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I dont agree with that at all
there are plenty of players with high averages that dont have a lot of home runs
they don't hit against the shift
and its not that easy hitting to the opposite field with the ball coming in at 95 plus mph
not if you're just a muscle bound HR hitter
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Teams only began radically shifting the past 10 years. This is an effort to simply resort back to then.
I understand that and I still think they taking away one of the best defensive tools a team has
with no apparent need to MLB pitching ERAs have really not improved over the last 10 years
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/pitch.shtml
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I dont agree with that at all
there are plenty of players with high averages that dont have a lot of home runs
they don't hit against the shift
and its not that easy hitting to the opposite field with the ball coming in at 95 plus mph
not if you're just a muscle bound HR hitter
Sure they do
teams play a shift on probably 70% of the hitters and
Hitting to the opposite field is hard for any hitter
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Chicks dig the long ball.
I'd opine I saw the shift against the Braves for maybe half their hitters.
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Chicks dig the long ball.
I'd opine I saw the shift against the Braves for maybe half their hitters.
The Astros shift on almost everybody
sometimes its minor but often its major
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In 2016 Major League Baseball only shifted 6.2 percent of the time versus right-handed hitters. In 2021 so far that number has jumped to 17.7 percent.
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teams play a shift on probably 70% of the hitters and
Hitting to the opposite field is hard for any hitter
the greatest hitters hit to all fields
Rod Carew and Tony Qwinn would hit over .500 if defenses shifted on them
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Some of the greatest did, and would, but folks wouldn't shirt on them. Some of the greatest also pulled the ball most of the time.
You'd shift on Ruth and not Cobb, both among the greatest hitters of all time. I wouldn't shift on Williams, I would on Aaron. Barry Bonds I'd walk.
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I understand that and I still think they taking away one of the best defensive tools a team has
with no apparent need to MLB pitching ERAs have really not improved over the last 10 years
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/pitch.shtml
No, but the manner in which those runs are scored I assume have. I'd be curious to see the percentage of RBIs as a product of HRs over time. Steals are down, bunts are down. Sacrificing an out it turns out, is stupid. But it can be fun
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It may seem obvious that the shift was designed to neutralize pull heavy hitters, but it has evolved into a precision defensive tactic that can take away quality batted balls that were once considered automatic base hits. It's amazing how far production on ground balls up the middle has suffered in recent seasons:
- 2014: .344 avg
- 2015: .312 avg
- 2016: .337 avg
- 2017: .304 avg
- 2018: .302 avg
- 2019: .299 avg
- 2020: .254 avg
- 2021: .236 avg
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As a left handed hitter, I agree it's a "tax" on lefties.
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not only will the shift be taken away but the DH rule will be in the National league also
It just seems like they are over favoring the hitters
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The shift is tougher on left-handed hitters because of the arbitrary fact that runners go counter-clockwise around the bases. Limiting it balances out the game.
As for the universal DH, it's due to pitchers being utterly useless as batters. Back in the 60s, some pitchers were genuinely good hitters. That's no longer the case. So instead of having pro athletes do something in games that they don't even practice doing, they're eliminating it.
The DH vs no DH debate has been replaced with an attitude of "I don't care, just make it the same in both leagues, either way."
So they have.
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Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris relaxing at Spring Training, February 25, 1961.
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I've been going to spring training games for only about 10-12 years, and it's only changed for the worse. Thanks to demand (I guess), prices have skyrocketed. Not just that, but they do the "premium" games bullshit, too. So if your team is playing a rival, it costs more, even though the game doesn't count and the starting players MIGHT play 6 innings.
The average ticket price has tripled. The cheapest outfield berm (lawn) ticket in some places is $40.
10 years ago, you could walk up at game time, get a ticket for $8-10, and sit wherever. Thanks to scalpers, mainly, you have to order them online 2 months ahead, paying 3x as much, plus fees and what not.
Keep in mind, that's for the bad seats.
This year's pricing is better, though. Due to the uncertainty of the season beginning and (I assume) LOTS of canceled trips from out-of-towners, demand must be way down.
Anywho, the people in charge are dumb.
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hah, I can remember walking up and buying a ticket to a real game in season for $10
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My history is more recent than yours, lol.
Out here in Arizona, they've all built these huge compounds. Beautiful campuses, really, with a bunch of full-size fields and massive clubhouses - especially for the shared ones (White Sox-Dodgers, Padres-Mariners, DBacks-Rockies, Rangers-Royals, Reds-Guardians).
The Cubs moved to a spot adjacent an existing city park that was already nice. The A's were cheap and moved into the Cubs' old place. The Angels and Giants have been in their spots for a long time. The Giants are smack-dab in the middle of old-towne Scottsdale and can (and do) charge whatever they want, and the retirees will gladly pay.
The Brewers just redid-their whole spot, right in the ghetto, where I lived a year ago. Good on them, I guess? No night games, lol.
Eh, my biggest gripe about baseball here isn't even with spring training, it's that the AZ Fall League doesn't really have evening games at all.
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Yogi Berra, Casey Stengel, and Mickey Mantle talking before a game, 1960s
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Good call on Fall league. Great experience but I don't ever recall a night game, maybe 1 or 2.
Still love Maryvale. Lifetime ban for Giants and Cubs parks. I haven't been down since 2019, for obvious reasons.
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“This is a moody ball club.” - Lou Piniella (1977)
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Bob Gibson pitching to Al Kaline in the first game of the 1968 World Series.
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The Braves new complex in North Port is certainly impressive. The bought land basically in the middle of nowhere, but of course now stuff is growing up all around it.
The stadium itself is very nice, and then they have however many satellite fields as usual. We play on two of them plus the stadium as we have six teams. The weight room is off limits, the only things we can't access. It's huge, looks more like a CFB weight room to me. The food is excellent, the halls are decorated with old photos and historic plaques of things.
My main complaint is the gravel they use in the infields, if you slide on it with any bare skin like an elbow it will get torn up. I guess its crushed red brick.
They used to play at ESPN Park in Orlando which of course was not their own facility. I guess it's a bit like the wars CFB teams have to show up the latest greatest dressing room etc.
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The amusing thing is that I'm also in the photo in the background when we won it all on Steve Avery's team. The dude taller than me is Brian Finneran who played with the Falcons as a WR. He's a nice fellow, great athlete of course. We get chunky rings for winning, I have two of them, which is pretty good for five tries.
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Got a great seat behind the plate for $13 for Giants @ Dodgers today. This credit with vivid seats is nice, lol.
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Tigers' two most dynamic outfielders, the two former first round picks, Riley Greene and Derek Hill, both starting the year on the DL.
Baseball is random enough in a short sample, that with the expanded playoff, no reason to think the Tigers are totally out of the running for that second WC, and thus as far as playoffs will take them
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Smart front offices can now just run the cheapest 85-win team they can out there, thanks to the expanded playoff.
And I don't think most people understand how much of a coin-flip the baseball postseason is.
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It's definitely not a coin flip. Perhaps a weighted one
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It's definitely not a coin flip. Perhaps a weighted one
Ehhh, we're coming off a season in which the team with the 12th-best record won the WS.
Going back 10 years, the team with the best record won the WS 4 times. Under 50%. The average WS winner in that time finished with the 4th-best record.
That's a coin flip, boss.
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Thats just the nature of the sport
Do you have any suggestions tp insure the team with the best record always wins the WS
Youre good at pointing out facts so now how bout your suggestions on the playoffs
is it just getting rid of WC teams?
WC teams have won the WS 4 times so its not really a coin flip
are you saying we dont have any playoffs and let the regular season decide the champion
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Thats just the nature of the sport
Do you have any suggestions tp insure the team with the best record always wins the WS
Youre good at pointing out facts so now how bout your suggestions on the playoffs
is it just getting rid of WC teams?
WC teams have won the WS 4 times so its not really a coin flip
are you saying we dont have any playoffs and let the regular season decide the champion
Sure, that'd be best.
Look at the history of baseball - each league had a season and a champion. Great. The best team is champ!
Then the upstart AL said "hey, I bet our champ could beat yours" to the NL and they played in 1901. Starting in 1903, it was the World Series.
For 65 years, that's how it was.
Then MLB expanded and split into divisions. 4 teams instead of 2.
For 24 years, that's how it was.
Then 4 divisions turned to 6, with a wild-card.
Then an expanded wild card.
Now, we'll have roughly 73 teams in the playoffs.
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That allowed the 12th-best team, as determined by a long-ass, 162 game season, to become the Word Champions.
Brilliant.
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Really? Your solution is to not have playoffs? No other sport does that
Come on fess up you lost money on the Braves last year didnt ya
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Sports should be renamed.
It's no longer a sport if it's a physical activity where you keep score, but instead of finding out who the best is, it's just a money-extraction exercise.
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"No other sport does that" is an impotent reason not to do something.
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Sports should be renamed.
It's no longer a sport if it's a physical activity where you keep score, but instead of finding out who the best is, it's just a money-extraction exercise.
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"No other sport does that" is an impotent reason not to do something.
of course its a money extraction exercise thats the whole point
Thats why they call it pro sports
you still offer no solutions other then let the regular season determine the champ
and I would be fine with that if it was a round robin situation but its not
teams in weak divisions would have an advantage
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While the Braves had a poor overall WL record last year, after August 1, they were among the best in the league because they made trades that helped, a lot. They were .692 in August and .593 in September after being a .500 team to that point.
Braves Record By Month | StatMuse (https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/braves-record-by-month)
I don't think you can just gear a team to make the playoffs with minimum payroll and expect to do well in the playoffs. But I do think we end up with a playoff champion, instead of the true "best team", often as not, in every playoff. Baseball is a bit more "fair" as they play a series and not just one game.
The "best" football team obviously can have one bad outing with TOs and whatnot and lose to a lesser team, it happens fairly often.
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of course its a money extraction exercise thats the whole point
Thats why they call it pro sports
you still offer no solutions other then let the regular season determine the champ
and I would be fine with that if it was a round robin situation but its not
teams in weak divisions would have an advantage
Well that's why I briefly reviewed the history of baseball's postseason - playoffs came with division play.
The WS used to be the champion of this league played the champion of that league - no other games between the leagues, no playoff, just the best vs the best, based on a massive sample size.
That's called "competition."
WHat we have now - a bunch of teams from a bunch of divisions from leagues that play each other........it's such a bastardization of it, I'm not even sure what to call it.
But it's purely "entertainment."
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They've basically stopped pretending to be in the center of the two. Entertainment > Competition........because of $$$. Fun. I can't fathom someone defending this evolution of the sport. Yet here we are.
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A baseball fan from 1925 would see what we've done with the game (strictly in the formatting sense) and scream "what have you done?"
MLB has taken the most naturally beautiful woman you've ever seen and dressed her up in clown makeup.
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Sports give fans what they think they want, and will watch. Yes, it's entertainment. What was it in 1920?
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Well that's why I briefly reviewed the history of baseball's postseason - playoffs came with division play.
The WS used to be the champion of this league played the champion of that league - no other games between the leagues, no playoff, just the best vs the best, based on a massive sample size.
That's called "competition."
WHat we have now - a bunch of teams from a bunch of divisions from leagues that play each other........it's such a bastardization of it, I'm not even sure what to call it.
But it's purely "entertainment."
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They've basically stopped pretending to be in the center of the two. Entertainment > Competition........because of $$$. Fun. I can't fathom someone defending this evolution of the sport. Yet here we are.
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A baseball fan from 1925 would see what we've done with the game (strictly in the formatting sense) and scream "what have you done?"
MLB has taken the most naturally beautiful woman you've ever seen and dressed her up in clown makeup.
ok now that you have restated your complaint over and over tell us your specific suggestion on how to improve MLB playoffs
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Once again, it's entertainment. Aside from just making money, having over 3/4 of the league have nothing to play for for the final 2 months of the season is simply not good for the product
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Once again, it's entertainment. Aside from just making money, having over 3/4 of the league have nothing to play for for the final 2 months of the season is simply not good for the product
of course thats the reason for having wildcards
to peak fan interest which means more money and thats not a bad thing
I personally would like only 1 WC team per league but thats just me
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I imagine most of us here thing the NBA and NHL are WAY over the line. A lot of folks here would relish a 12 game CFB playoff, or at least 8. I usually fall back more to what is more entertaining to watch, for me personally. I'm not really interested in watching some 82-80 baseball team in the playoffs.
What is the E in ESPN?
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of course thats the reason for having wildcards
to peak fan interest which means more money and thats not a bad thing
I personally would like only 1 WC team per league but thats just me
I initially didn't love the 2nd WC, but I came around with the unbalanced schedules, to appreciating re-emphasizing winning your division. I understood the 10 team playoff rationale. I don't love this version.
I don't hate the size of the NBA playoffs, simply because of how rarely you see upsets. Hell, even the play in tournament is fun. The better team generally wins the series in the NBA, enough that when they don't, you feel like the other team genuinely deserved it. So add all the entertainment you want, the most deserving team wins the NBA title more frequently than any other sport.
My only complaint with the MLB playoffs is that you don't play every day. I think being able to lean more heavily on your best pitchers, with more rest built in, is not in line with how the rest of the season is played.
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Sports give fans what they think they want, and will watch. Yes, it's entertainment. What was it in 1920?
In 1920, it was playing out a season to see who is the best. THAT was entertainment.
But now people want the 12th-best team being crowned champion. They're free to feel that way and I'm free to think they're dolts.
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ok now that you have restated your complaint over and over tell us your specific suggestion on how to improve MLB playoffs
If you're not going to bother reading my posts, then I'm not willing to teach you how to read.
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Sports give fans what they think they want, and will watch. Yes, it's entertainment. What was it in 1920?
One of two Cleveland World Series Championships .Even though in August that season Ray Chapman was killed by a Carl Mays pitch while at Bat.Only man to get killed while playing MLB
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If you're not going to bother reading my posts, then I'm not willing to teach you how to read.
Ive read your posts and understand them
why are you so afraid of stating your specific suggestions for a better MLB playoff system
youre real good at complaining but not at expressing your thoughts on how to correct things
you should run for office
you would fit right in there perfectly
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One of two Cleveland World Series Championships .Even though in August that season Ray Chapman was killed by a Carl Mays pitch while at Bat.Only man to get killed while playing MLB
what about Bump Baily
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One of two Cleveland World Series Championships .Even though in August that season Ray Chapman was killed by a Carl Mays pitch while at Bat.Only man to get killed while playing MLB
This isn't entirely accurate. Doc Powers suffered serious injuries crashing into a wall chasing a foul pop fly at Shibe Park in 1909. He died two weeks later following three intestinal surgeries from infections as a result of the injury. Chapman to be clear did indeed die as a result of being hit in the head but it was not on the field, about twelve hours later. John Dodge was on the Reds club when he was hit in the head and died during a minor league game appearance in 1916. Many other minor leaguers have died many years ago from pitches hitting their heads, chest , an outfield collison and even a lightning strike. Noting only Chapman and Powers injuries were suffered during major league games.
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Bump gets no respect
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Ive read your posts and understand them
I believe you read them. I don't believe you understand that they contain the thing you're harping on now.
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In 1920, it was playing out a season to see who is the best. THAT was entertainment.
But now people want the 12th-best team being crowned champion. They're free to feel that way and I'm free to think they're dolts.
No, that was a more legitimate champion, but it was not entertaining
It's the equivalent of a 3 hour black and white foreign language film winning best picture. It very well may have deserved it, but I turned it off 20 minutes in, and rewatched Die Hard
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I believe you read them. I don't believe you understand that they contain the thing you're harping on now.
all they contain is the history of the playoff system and the fact that you dont like it
so what did I miss
what magic solution did you come up with
I triple dog dare ya
congressman
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So it comes down to wanting the attention (and money) of the fans of the shitty teams. That's the whole thing. Awesome.
For a group of people who tend to not want to cater to the lowest-achieving of us and want people to earn what they get, this line of thinking is truly bizarre.
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Thats just the nature of the sport
Do you have any suggestions tp insure the team with the best record always wins the WS
Youre good at pointing out facts so now how bout your suggestions on the playoffs
is it just getting rid of WC teams?
WC teams have won the WS 4 times so its not really a coin flip
are you saying we dont have any playoffs and let the regular season decide the champion
Sure, that'd be best.
Page 7. Plain English. Direct answer to your question.
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But I'm the problem here.
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So it comes down to wanting the attention (and money) of the fans of the shitty teams. That's the whole thing. Awesome.
For a group of people who tend to not want to cater to the lowest-achieving of us and want people to earn what they get, this line of thinking is truly bizarre.
A shitty team has never won the championship. As a fan of the Lions, I wish it was possible
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So it comes down to wanting the attention (and money) of the fans of the shitty teams. That's the whole thing. Awesome.
For a group of people who tend to not want to cater to the lowest-achieving of us and want people to earn what they get, this line of thinking is truly bizarre.
well we all cant be as ethical as you
Have you got your CRT lesson plans all done
need to stay prepared
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Good job ignoring the fact that your triple dog dare was met.
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A shitty team has never won the championship. As a fan of the Lions, I wish it was possible
You're suggesting keeping the fans of fringe teams interested for longer by dangling a playoff spot in front of them. Same thing.
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Well you switched from shitty to fringe, and championship to playoff spot
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So it comes down to wanting the attention (and money) of the fans of the shitty teams. That's the whole thing. Awesome.
For a group of people who tend to not want to cater to the lowest-achieving of us and want people to earn what they get, this line of thinking is truly bizarre.
Oddly enough, money drives many/most decisions in this country, and around the world. It's a good thing to understand this in life.
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And of course everyone is free to voice their opinion as to how MLB should manage the post season, as if that would change anything.
And it's pretty easy to criticize a thing without offering one's own proposal of course.
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Well you switched from shitty to fringe, and championship to playoff spot
How about a fringe team = a shitty champion?
Fair?
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And of course everyone is free to voice their opinion as to how MLB should manage the post season, as if that would change anything.
And it's pretty easy to criticize a thing without offering one's own proposal of course.
I swear you guys are literally blind.
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I am not literally blind by any working definition though my uncorrected eyesight is rather poor.
The word literally seems not to literally mean literally any more.
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Sure, that'd be best.
Look at the history of baseball - each league had a season and a champion. Great. The best team is champ!
Then the upstart AL said "hey, I bet our champ could beat yours" to the NL and they played in 1901. Starting in 1903, it was the World Series.
For 65 years, that's how it was.
Then MLB expanded and split into divisions. 4 teams instead of 2.
For 24 years, that's how it was.
Then 4 divisions turned to 6, with a wild-card.
Then an expanded wild card.
Now, we'll have roughly 73 teams in the playoffs.
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That allowed the 12th-best team, as determined by a long-ass, 162 game season, to become the Word Champions.
Brilliant.
I reread Page 7, I didn't see a suggestion as to how they should do it, just more ranting.
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Page 7. Plain English. Direct answer to your question.
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But I'm the problem here.
Maybe you could resurface your post where you described your personal preference for how it should be done today? I couldn't locate it, maybe I'm blind.
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literally
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Page 7. Plain English. Direct answer to your question.
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But I'm the problem here.
I still don't see anything on page 7 of this thread related to what you'd like to see in baseball vis a vis playoffs.
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OK, I will bite. Go back to no interleague play - 2 divisions each league. Division champs in playoff only. AND FOR GOD SAKE GET RID OF THE DESIGNATED HITTER, IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE GAME.
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The trend obviously is to larger playoffs in every sport. I've learned to live with it.
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The trend obviously is to larger playoffs in every sport. I've learned to live with it.
the NBA playoff system is a joke
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the NBA is a joke
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The trend obviously is to larger playoffs in every sport. I've learned to live with it.
Oh so have I, I just don't have the interest I use to have in much of it. Haven't watch pro Hockey or Basketball in I don't know how long. Baseball is maybe 10 games a year. College basketball is only late in Feb and March and then only if a school I am interested in is still playing. Only football both Pro and particularly College has maintained my complete interest.
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I'm down to just CFB and some baseball. I got back into baseball because of the fantasy camps. The first one I attended in 2016 I barely knew who was on the pro team. I figured I'd better be a bit more conversant. Now my wife is watching baseball and knows some of the rules.
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I'm down to just CFB and some baseball.
Same.
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I'm the opposite with college football, it's become so exclusive to just a couple of schools, that I think the only reason I watch it at all anymore is because 95% of the games are on Saturdays, and just once a week. I don't think I watched a single off Saturday game all year
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I'm the opposite with college football, it's become so exclusive to just a couple of schools, that I think the only reason I watch it at all anymore is because 95% of the games are on Saturdays, and just once a week. I don't think I watched a single off Saturday game all year
It's a shame what they have done to the fans like us.
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I still enjoy CFB, not as much as back in the 90s when my fav team was good, but I will watch it 7 nights a week and 4 or 5 times on Saturday
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For some reason, I enjoyed last year more than usual.
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For some reason, I enjoyed last year more than usual.
Because the previous one was fake?
Honestly, my own teams success doesn't even sway it. College football leans hard into the most meaningful regular season, but really it's the most meaningless. No other sport has as many games that have zero bearing on the postseason
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And that's okay.
People thought going from 2 to 4 would be inclusive, but it's really just become a safety net for the blue-bloods.
So will going from 4 to 6 or 8 or 12.
Then Bama could lose twice and get in, being the 'reward' for a top-4 team with far less talent.
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Because the previous one was fake?
Honestly, my own teams success doesn't even sway it. College football leans hard into the most meaningful regular season, but really it's the most meaningless. No other sport has as many games that have zero bearing on the postseason
162 game reg season???
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And that's okay.
People thought going from 2 to 4 would be inclusive, but it's really just become a safety net for the blue-bloods.
So will going from 4 to 6 or 8 or 12.
Then Bama could lose twice and get in, being the 'reward' for a top-4 team with far less talent.
Depends on whether simply making the playoffs is a thing. That's the balancing act I think MLB is on the wrong side of now. When the Tigers made the playoffs in 2006, I was over the moon. Didn't care what they did after that. Same with MSU in 2015. Except the narrative is killing it
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Baseball is different - we all know that.
The variance in win% between the best and the worst is small compared to other sports. It's just a fact.
It's true in a 1-game sample, a 7-game series, and a 162-game season.
That being the case, expanding the MLB playoffs is a PURE money grab, which is why the owners wanted it. It has absolutely ZERO to do with giving more fanbases hope or reason to celebrate. Those are happenstance side-effects.
That being said, it's not to rain on anyone's parade....but a fact is a fact.
I'm obviously in the minority here. For whatever reason, all people care about is who wins the WS. Yeah, I have a problem when an 88-win team is forever known as the champion when 8 other teams proved they were better in a massive sample called the regular season.
The more I think about this, the more I compare it to die-hard NFL fans. Season-ticket holders who live and die with their team, when there's not even a thin link between them and the franchise. A franchise that just wants to extract every last nickel it can from its fan's pockets. A franchise that would move to a new city the moment it's told it can't rape the tax-payers of it's current location. People who can barely afford it buying those season tickets.......at least college football has some connection/loyalty (unless you're a Miami fan).
At least I got my degree there. At least I know UF isn't going to up and leave to Ocala or something.
Idk, I just can't shake the masses preferring crowning the champion of a sport through a series of 7-game samples rather than a huge, radically more valid sample.
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*And I know the NFL fan is just having fun and doing what they want - but I can't help but see it as something of a one-way relationship...a la w/ a god. I find it sad.
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Some of us mlb fans just like attending games cuz it's great and don't give a shit about playoff implications.
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one of the reasons the first 100 games are good
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I just enjoy going to games, too. I love putting on a ballgame on TV. This stuff doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the game.
I just don't understand the masses sometimes. Expanding MLB's postseason is one of those times.
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the masses don't make the decision
the few, taking $$$ form the masses, make those decisions
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Duh.
The masses go along with it. They mention the good things about it. They almost rationalize it to make it okay to donate their dollars to the billionaires.
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Personally, I don't get wound up about it, "they" can do whatever, OK with me. I have a preference, and understand my preference is irrelevant, and what happens is driven by money, welcome to reality.
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I don't think baseball at all is just about who wins the World Series. I think it's the one sport where simply making the postseason feels (or at least felt) like an accomplishment
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I guess it just feels like it's incentivizing being a fan of an average team over a good team.
I'm a Dodgers fan. With this expanded playoff, I already know LA is in the postseason before the season starts. It doesn't matter. Last year, the Giants somehow won the division, but it didn't really matter, because I knew LA was getting in, too.
So instead of fans of subpar teams being bored the last couple of months of the season, the fans of the best teams get to be bored all year long.
Is that a good trade-off?
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My guess is teams who know the regular season doesn't matter because they are in get better ratings than teams who know it doesn't matter because they aren't.
I don't disagree with you in general, that there needs to be a rational balance between rewarding play and entertainment, I just think we are a little ways apart on where it falls. I didn't like the move from 4 to 5, but it grew on me because it incentiveized winning your division in a format where schedules were unbalanced. The 5 to 6 move does nothing for me. Inherently a baseball playoff format is going to suffer because it's a sport won on the margins, and you can't capture that it a 7 game series.
Flip side, football, particularly college football, is the opposite. That's why I support the 12 team, 10-2 model, with first round and quarterfinals played on campus. It gives meaning to all of the conference races, but doesn't actually prevent the best team from winning. UL Lafayette can storm the field when they win the Sun Belt, I'll actually watch the game, and then they'll go get blasted 56-10 in a road game at the SEC runner up a week later. We'll get to the same(ish) 4 teams, but on a more entertaining path.
I actually think the better solution for pro sports is to do a slanted win requirement. Do a 16 team playoff, so fans have a reason to stay invested, but while the 5, 6, 7 and 8 seeds have to win 4 games, the 1 seed just has to win once, the 2 seed twice, the 3 seed thrice, and the 4-5 is a true best of seven.
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I actually think the better solution for pro sports is to do a slanted win requirement. Do a 16 team playoff, so fans have a reason to stay invested, but while the 5, 6, 7 and 8 seeds have to win 4 games, the 1 seed just has to win once, the 2 seed twice, the 3 seed thrice, and the 4-5 is a true best of seven.
That's a cool idea, haven't heard one like it before, specifically.
This isn't something that irks me to no end or anything, I just don't think most people realize that baseball is different from the other sports.
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you guys are forgetting about the home field advantage
so yes you might know you are in the playoffs from the start but you dont know how much home field advantage stacks up yet
home field advantage is very important
so that means a good team will still play hard to get it
and nobody is bored
just reduce the wc teams to 1 for each league and lets play ball
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we've talked home field many times regarding college football
is it really much more for MLB??
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we've talked home field many times regarding college football
is it really much more for MLB??
besides the crowd support I think being home team has an advantage by batting last at the end of the game
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MLB has the smallest HFA of the 4 pro sports.
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MLB has the smallest HFA of the 4 pro sports.
and yet everyone wants it
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we've talked home field many times regarding college football
is it really much more for MLB??
The home team gets to sleep in their own beds and not travel, which is an advantage. Other than that, not much really. Fans only cheer when a good play happens. Not so much before.
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the guy standing on the mound is the biggest factor
does he have good stuff that game or great stuff
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Going to the DBacks opening game - got good seats.
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Is anyone outside of perhaps the immediate Cleveland area actually going to root for a team called the "Guardians"?
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Is anyone outside of perhaps the immediate Cleveland area actually going to root for a team called the "Guardians"?
Is their logo a racoon?
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Is anyone outside of perhaps the immediate Cleveland area actually going to root for a team called the "Guardians"?
Did anyone outside that area root for the Indians?
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Astros win their 2022 opener tonight
thats 10 opening game wins in a row which is a major league record
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Did anyone outside that area root for the Indians?
Oh yeah, of course, Columbus, Akron, Canton and Youngstown all had their fair share of Indians fans.
Did they all become Cleveland Guardians fans all of a sudden?
Convenient opportunity to turn the page, imo.
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The Indians and Redskins wasted fantastic opportunities......could have chosen any mascot they wanted....and wound up with Guardians and Commanders.
What in the actual hell?
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Oh yeah, of course, Columbus, Akron, Canton and Youngstown all had their fair share of Indians fans.
Did they all become Cleveland Guardians fans all of a sudden?
I assume yes
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Having a tough time remembering a more fun Opening Day
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The Apple TV broadcasts of Friday night baseball is brutal.
I have no idea who this is targeting. Who even knows that they are doing the Friday night broadcast now, and they're just flashing random probabilities at the bottom, and Apple music links for the walk-up music
It feels like a decision made by an MLB executive, whose entire pitch was "people watch streaming now" and so they did it. The presentation is awful, the stats they are flashing at the bottom, feels like they are trying to be advanced, but they are useless. It's mostly reach base probability. Which is neither advanced, nor helpful for gambling. And nobody hears 5 seconds of walk-up music, and needs the QR code to buy the song on Apple music
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My favorite Bull Durham clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diX4myfR6vU
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(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278477092_359311476241612_5755792627031965323_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p180x540&_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ug04I-ve1U8AX9iQ4FD&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8m7GuPTk7HIpNfYeL3M-VDVkdO0sxXqvYp5ky2UALShQ&oe=62613132)
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My favorite Bull Durham clip
That entire movie is my favorite clip. It's my favorite sports movie.
We should have a list of great sports movies.
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Caddy Shack
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I see Marcel Ozuna is back playing for the Bravos.
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That entire movie is my favorite clip. It's my favorite sports movie.
We should have a list of great sports movies.
That was the OT tournament one year. Rocky won
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Aaron Boone is a bitch
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https://twitter.com/tigers/status/1517226462612439040?t=hn1_VCQKcgbokv5xbI5cHw&s=19
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He better have good security. What a dickass move.
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Somebody let A’s fans know pandemic restrictions are over.
From cbssports.com over the weekend:
“The Oakland Athletics continued breaking records this week, but not in the way they wanted. On Tuesday's game against the Baltimore Orioles, the announced attendance of 3,748 was the lowest since 1980. That stat was short-lived as Wednesday saw a new low of 2,703. To top it all off, the A's picked up a 1-0 loss against the Orioles with the lone run coming in the fifth inning.
https://twitter.com/JohnSheaHey/status/1516901577109344256
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Somebody let A’s fans know pandemic restrictions are over.
From cbssports.com over the weekend:
“The Oakland Athletics continued breaking records this week, but not in the way they wanted. On Tuesday's game against the Baltimore Orioles, the announced attendance of 3,748 was the lowest since 1980. That stat was short-lived as Wednesday saw a new low of 2,703. To top it all off, the A's picked up a 1-0 loss against the Orioles with the lone run coming in the fifth inning.
https://twitter.com/JohnSheaHey/status/1516901577109344256
They are in a lose-lose situation. Their ownership wants to get out of town, Major league style, trading off all of their players, while raising ticket prices. I don't blame them for not supporting ownership, but by doing that, they are strengthening ownership's argument that baseball in Oakland is not sustainable. Doesn't help that the stadium does legitimately need to be replaced. This isn't like Atlanta where they suckered the fans into buying a new stadium 15 years into the old one. It was a poorly built, poorly maintained stadium, with leaking pipes, a rat problem, and now apparently 50 plus feral cats
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Angel Hernandez getting paid to do this.
Schwarber should receive a collection from players across the league for that tirade tonight.
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The San Antonio As has a nice ring to it
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Angel Hernandez getting paid to do this.
Schwarber should receive a collection from players across the league for that tirade tonight.
I loved all of the shots of Brewers players just nodding in agreement with him. No union in the country guarantees shitty employees more job security than MLB umpires
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They are in a lose-lose situation. Their ownership wants to get out of town, Major league style, trading off all of their players, while raising ticket prices. I don't blame them for not supporting ownership, but by doing that, they are strengthening ownership's argument that baseball in Oakland is not sustainable. Doesn't help that the stadium does legitimately need to be replaced. This isn't like Atlanta where they suckered the fans into buying a new stadium 15 years into the old one. It was a poorly built, poorly maintained stadium, with leaking pipes, a rat problem, and now apparently 50 plus feral cats
Swirling gusts of trash, and leaking sewage piping fits the experience of my one and only A’s home game. Worst stadium I’ve ever stepped foot in, ahead of UNLV’s old Sam Boyd Stadium built up from its horse track days, which at least by now is torn down.
In 2015 I attended my one and only A’s home game as part of a bachelor party for a wedding we were attending in the Bay Area. From the transit platforms, chain-fenced walkways carry foot traffic over several wide, swampy canals moating the stadium. The canals are filled with large-item trash – abandoned freezers, tires, furniture, and legend has it the infrequent homicide victim too. Needless to say, with the sun out and humidity up, the sewage runoff smelled like sh*t all the way into the stadium.
Once inside the stadium only a handful of bathrooms were open for use. The rest were dead bolted shut, and the detail that got me was rather than post “Out Of Order” notices the signs on the bathroom doors stated: “Closed For Private Event.” As if a corporate event was taking place in a decommissioned bathroom.
On top of all that the Coliseum stadium workers were generally un-personable, with bleacher staff hounding anyone who wasn’t seated in their correct seats, even though the stadium was only about 4% capacity that afternoon. And when we got in line at the concessions for overpriced sandwiches the guy who did our orders kept pointing out the tip jar and guilting us as to where “people usually leave a tip.”
We left around the 5th inning. And don’t get me started on what a dump other parts of the Bay Area are – namely Vallejo and San Francisco itself.
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:smiley_confused1:
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1519146573233590272?t=YXCsGslPYGQsPZ94y-GtQQ&s=19
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not bad for little league
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I was assured the Tigers weren't the Tigers this year. Oh well.
Twins: clusterfuck on the bases at the worst possible time
Tigers: hold my $14 beer.
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Probably happened 1,000+ times in a LL game, and about 3 times in MLB history.
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I was assured the Tigers weren't the Tigers this year. Oh well.
Twins: clusterfuck on the bases at the worst possible time
Tigers: hold my $14 beer.
3/5 of the starting rotation and 2 of the 4 high leverage relievers are on the IL.
So if the problem was pitching, I'd say to give it some time.
But the pitching has somehow persevered. The offense has been atrocious. The only piece missing there has been rookie Riley Greene. He's a top 5 prospect in all of MLB, but still, a rookie. So I don't see where that is going to get better
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Man, Reds baseball...
Run diff is off the charts never mind 3-22 in the standings. Imagine being told you're gonna be 7 1/2 games behind the Pirates on May 5th.
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I haven't liked the Reds since Pete Rose was rookie of the year
1963
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They were considered a dark horse World series finalist in 2020, and were in the wild card game as recently as the last week of August last year. The sell-off was very quick
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I haven't liked the Reds since Pete Rose was rookie of the year
1963
still longer than me.
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Bob Feller and Satchel Paige, 1948
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Weird, small sample size, stat. Tigers have played 3 doubleheaders this year. They are 3-0, scoring 7.3 rpg in Game 1, and 0-3, scoring 1.3 rpg in Game 2
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Tickets to today's Padres afternoon game Vs the Cubs
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I'd be more apt to go to games were they not now in the worst traffic area of the city with no MARTA. I haven't figured out the bus yet.
But I really prefer watching on TV anyway now.
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But I really prefer watching on TV anyway now.
For sure with football, baseball I'd rather be there. I don't think you lose viewing experience by being there, like you do in football, and I like being at the park
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When I was at the park, I noticed a lot of fans either looking down at their phones during plays or up at the big screen, not on the field.
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Astros Verlander throws a 1 hitter for 8 innings against the Twins last night
He faced the minimum number of batters of 24
Not bad for a 39 year old after Tommy Johns surgery
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The complete game today is almost nonexistent.
So is bunting.
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The complete game today is almost nonexistent.
So is bunting.
Bunting is very much alive on the Astros
but playing small ball is kinda their thing
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They also have a 72 year old manager, and no more trash cans
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They also have a 72 year old manager, and no more trash cans
yep they have no chance
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yep they have no chance
I meant that's why they are bunting
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I meant that's why they are bunting
they bunt because the situation calls for it
even though they are a top 3 home run hitting club they still play a lot of small ball
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Pineda hit on the arm by a line drive, and is out. We've already had 3 starters make the major league debuts in the last couple weeks due to injury. The offense has to wake up, because all things considered, the staff has over performed
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Pineda hit on the arm by a line drive, and is out. We've already had 3 starters make the major league debuts in the last couple weeks due to injury. The offense has to wake up, because all things considered, the staff has over performed
Jesus, Meadows is out with an ear infection? Is this my kids little league team?
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Are you talking about the Detroit Tigers?
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Are you talking about the Detroit Tigers?
Yes
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When umps wish they could point to a K zone
https://twitter.com/mlberrors/status/1525513162518319104?t=q6C0OV2z7Qb0lJuQ-vC6sQ&s=19
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Yes
you are a true fan
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Astros Verlander throws a 1 hitter for 8 innings against the Twins last night
He faced the minimum number of batters of 24
Not bad for a 39 year old after Tommy Johns surgery
Yep, those petri-dish stem cells work pretty well......but it's MURDERRRRR
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Yep, those petri-dish stem cells work pretty well......but it's MURDERRRRR
yep
He's 4 and 1 with a 1.55 era
not bad at all
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Yep, those petri-dish stem cells work pretty well......but it's MURDERRRRR
actually Verlander's surgery did not use stem cells
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you are a true fan
I mean they are on par with every legit non NY/LA/Boston franchise. When they have to suck they suck, and when they get good, they are willing to spend money
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Astros got absolutely mud holed by the Nationals tonight
Oh well tomorrows another day
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My son just called me and told me the Reds just became the 6th team in baseball history to pitch a no hitter and lose the game
That is amazing and almost impossible to do
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good for the Reds
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The Astros tied a MLB record tonight when they hit 5 home runs in one inning
against Boston
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Eduardo Rodriguez leaves in the 1st inning with an injury. 2nd time this week that has happened to a Tigers' starter. Assuming he goes on the IL, that means 4/5 of their projected starting rotation, plus one guy they called up as an injury replacement, are on the IL, along with 3 of their 5 projected opening day OFs
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Eduardo Rodriguez leaves in the 1st inning with an injury. 2nd time this week that has happened to a Tigers' starter. Assuming he goes on the IL, that means 4/5 of their projected starting rotation, plus one guy they called up as an injury replacement, are on the IL, along with 3 of their 5 projected opening day OFs
Thats bad news
Astros starter Monday (forgot name) went to cover 1st on a ground ball and pulled a hamstring
what strange way to get hurt (not sure how bad it is)
so now the Astros are on a 5 day rotation
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On the spectrum of baseball injuries go, that's only a 4. At least he didn't burn himself with an iron, or suffer a career ending Guitar Hero injury
Tigers have not won a game when allowing more than 2 runs since Opening Day
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On the spectrum of baseball injuries go, that's only a 4. At least he didn't burn himself with an iron, or suffer a career ending Guitar Hero injury
Tigers have not won a game when allowing more than 2 runs since Opening Day
I watched the Tigers pay a series against Houston recently
My view of them is they are very good defensively and have a respectful hitting line up
Their main challenge seems to me to be their bull pen corp
Once you get past the starter late in the game they just really struggle
but its early and things could turn around for them
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I watched the Tigers pay a series against Houston recently
My view of them is they are very good defensively and have a respectful hitting line up
Their main challenge seems to me to be their bull pen corp
Once you get past the starter late in the game they just really struggle
but its early and things could turn around for them
It's actually the exact opposite.
They have the 2nd best bullpen in the AL, both in terms of ERA and WHIP. But they have the 3rd worst defensive rating, and dead last in runs scored, HRs, and are the only team in the AL with a negative offensive WAR. Meaning that if you replaced their entire lineup with replacement level minor leaguers, they would be expected to improve
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It's actually the exact opposite.
They have the 2nd best bullpen in the AL, both in terms of ERA and WHIP. But they have the 3rd worst defensive rating, and dead last in runs scored, HRs, and are the only team in the AL with a negative offensive WAR. Meaning that if you replaced their entire lineup with replacement level minor leaguers, they would be expected to improve
My observations were from the one series I saw
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The Pirates won a game without getting a hit.
THAT'S how bad the Reds are this year.
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Tigers starter has left in the 4th inning due to injury on 2 of the last 3 days. If both head to the IL, that would be 8 starting pitchers on the IL. And yet, the problem remains the offense
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Of all calls in sports that would be easy to automate, these should be at the top
https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1531708389209825280?t=Vz5p93CxZJ6ZB02grW8hpw&s=19
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Of all calls in sports that would be easy to automate, these should be at the top
tech wise Im not sure how you would do it
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....the tech already exists and is in use elsewhere
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....the tech already exists and is in use elsewhere
where?
never mind I found one
https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/05/18/mlb-introduces-automated-balls-strikes-system-triple-a
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Happy 73rd birthday to former Cleveland Indians catcher Jake Taylor!🎉
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Man, I actually would have guessed he was older
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I know I've said this before, but White Sox fans had to suffer through so many years of Hawk, but if that means now getting Jason Bennetti, that's worth it. He is just so damn good. Hopefully the Tigers get a similar payoff at the other end of Matt Shepard
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Losing to the Yankees is old hat, but that asshat Donaldson hitting the walk off sacrifice is a thorn
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The analytics suggest that Nolan Ryan kid might pan out
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GOAT in my opinion
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GOAT in my opinion
Ive got my Nolan Ryan autographed baseball on its own shelf in my study. I would take a thousand dollars for it.
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I'd have to ask my brother for the specifics again but, I think it was Nolan's son that attended the same church as my brother in Round Rock.
Nolan would show up 3 or 4 times a year
my brother spoke to him a couple times
didn't ask for an autograph
I'm not much for autographs, but I'd get excited about a thousand dollars
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I'd have to ask my brother for the specifics again but, I think it was Nolan's son that attended the same church as my brother in Round Rock.
Nolan would show up 3 or 4 times a year
my brother spoke to him a couple times
didn't ask for an autograph
I'm not much for autographs, but I'd get excited about a thousand dollars
well theres a little story behind it
In another life I was once the controller of a commercial printing company
One day one of our salesman brought in a job for Nolan Ryan which was a large poster showing various exercises they went through in spring training
Because we had been burned before doing printing for famous people with no approval ahead of time
for price I told him to get written approval from him for the job
anyway the next day I walk into my office and on my desk is a baseball with these words on it
"Kirby I'm good for 2,000 posters - Nolan Ryan"
My jaw dropped
anyway the salesman gave me a phone number to call if there were any problems
I called the number and expected maybe an agent to answer
The next thing I know Im talking to Nolan Ryan who assured me all was good
We did the posters and were promptly paid
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I'd take him at his word
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Ripper Collins had a better season than Pinky Higgins
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I'd take him at his word
He did several more jobs with us and we did
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Ripper Collins had a better season than Pinky Higgins
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Where is Roy Hobbs
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Ripper Collins had a better season than Pinky Higgins
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Comparing stolen base leaders to now is funnier
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Satchel Paige comes out of the bullpen at Cleveland Municipal Stadium to make his first Major League appearance at the age 42, July 9, 1948.
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On this date in 1968, St. Louis Cardinals ace Bob Gibson tossed a three-hit shutout against the Houston Astros at the Astrodome, beginning one of the greatest stretches of pitching in the modern era. His 7-0 victory was the first of five straight shutouts, and he would go on to work nine scoreless innings eight times during a stretch of 11 starts in which he allowed a total of just three runs and went 11-0.
The hard-throwing right-hander posted a 0.27 ERA over 99 innings—that’s 11 complete games---and opponents batted .163 and slugged .190 against him in that stretch of 11 starts. After shutting out the Astros, Gibson blanked the Atlanta Braves, Cincinnati Reds, Chicago Cubs and Pittsburgh Pirates to close out June. Then he worked shutouts against the San Francisco Giants, New York Mets and Philadelphia Phillies in July. He allowed a single run in each of his other three starts that month and finished July at 15-5 with a 0.96 ERA. At season’s end, Gibson was 22-9 and had set the modern-era single-season record with a 1.12 ERA, a mark that still stands today.
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...and if you want to know why they lowered the mound and invented the DH, it's because a guy with a 1.12 ERA lost 9 games.
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You hate to see it
https://www.mlb.com/news/joe-maddon-fired-as-angels-manager
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not sure if it will help the angels, but it can't really hurt
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I have always wondered why Ohtani picked the Angels and Trout extended with them. Talented team that can't play their way out of a wet grocery bag.
Sacking the coach is the easy solution.
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it's LA baby
palm trees and beaches
Lots of Japanese there
even if the team sucks, life is GOOOOOD
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All the good of LA and none of the pressure the Dodgers have. Like being a Met or a Jet or a Bruin.
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Da Braves are on a tear now, but are only 31-27, 6.5 GB.
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WTF was Tony La Russa thinking?
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WTF was Tony La Russa thinking?
That he was thankful that someone was dumb enough to give him a job in an industry that had passed him by? Windows and professional sports are generally relatively short. The White Sox are squandering some of theirs because an owner feels bad about making a bad decision 40 years ago
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Da Braves are on a tear now, but are only 31-27, 6.5 GB.
Ten in a row now.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1535302982538960896
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1535302982538960896
I actually think it's THE greatest
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Andruw Jones would have caught it easily.
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If my math is correct, Tigers are now 4-33 when allowing more than 2 runs. One win being on Opening Day. This offense is giving their pitching nearly zero margin for error. Once the opponent gets to 3, it's a near guaranteed loss
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11 in a row
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Yankees with the best record through 60 games since that 2001 Mariners team
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You hate to see it
https://www.mlb.com/news/joe-maddon-fired-as-angels-manager
https://twitter.com/D1SCHER/status/1536117303753834501?t=ztS4tjb36vwtU9OvW-omcQ&s=19
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He hit 512 home runs but Ernie Banks' power was not limited to balls over the fence. On this date in 1966, the Chicago Cubs slugger tied a modern era record with three triples against the Astros. It has been matched just 11 times since.
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He hit 512 home runs but Ernie Banks' power was not limited to balls over the fence. On this date in 1966, the Chicago Cubs slugger tied a modern era record with three triples against the Astros. It has been matched just 11 times since.
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I'm honestly a little surprised it's that high
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me too
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12 in a row, but Albies broke his foot. He's my favorite player.
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Sitting at the bar in buffalo wild wings in Brookings SD. Watching the braves. Going for lucky number 13?
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Max Freid
Steve Avery
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Fried
Threw me off
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Well since the braves are up 7 I'm watching the Yankees
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An immaculate inning occurs when a pitcher strikes out all three batters he faces in one inning, using the minimum possible number of pitches (nine).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_pitchers_who_have_thrown_an_immaculate_inning#cite_note-2) A total of 98 pitchers have struck out three batters on nine consecutive pitches in a half-inning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inning) of a Major League Baseball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball) (MLB) game as of June 2022.
The Astros had two immaculate innings in todays game with the Texas Rangers from two different pitchers
This has never been done before and is a MLB record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By9R3oOCC3s
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And it's not even a get-away day...
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/recap/_/gameId/401355170
14 straight is of course statistically improbable, even for a great team (the Braves have a good team). It does make me wonder where they were for the first part of the season under .500.
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/recap/_/gameId/401355170
14 straight is of course statistically improbable, even for a great team (the Braves have a good team). It does make me wonder where they were for the first part of the season under .500.
How many in a row did Cleveland win a couple years back? Really thought that was going to be their WS. I think it was the year after they lost to the Cubs? Then they wound up losing the ALDS to the Yankees.
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I think the MLB record is around 20. I figure a great team could have a 65% chance of winning a random game, which makes even 3 in a row improbable. Of course, sweeps happen usually because a very good team is playing a rather poor team. But once you go to double digits, ....
The funny thing is the Braves are still 4 GB.
This is my problem with extended playoffs, the best team is unlikely to win out.
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This is my problem with extended playoffs, the best team is unlikely to win out.
I think the prior version was a good balance between rewarding the regular season, but still making for an entertaining postseason. Particularly with the unbalanced schedule so you played a ton of division games
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I think the MLB record is around 20. I figure a great team could have a 65% chance of winning a random game, which makes even 3 in a row improbable. Of course, sweeps happen usually because a very good team is playing a rather poor team. But once you go to double digits, ....
The funny thing is the Braves are still 4 GB.
This is my problem with extended playoffs, the best team is unlikely to win out.
Make no sense at all
They dont have to win every game just more then the other guy
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I'm OK with four, would be OK with six I think, not so much 8.
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I'm OK with four, would be OK with six I think, not so much 8.
we should stay at 4
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I think where 5 > 4 was that it rewarded winning your division in a format where the schedules were very unbalanced, but still allowed 2 teams a shot, but then were at a slight disadvantage going against the best team.
My only tweak is that I would have changed the wildcard game to a best of 3, because one dominant pitcher has too much influence in a one game situation
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https://twitter.com/BenVerlander/status/1537160136971517952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1537160136971517952%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmichiganstate.boards.net%2Fthread%2F3025%2Ftofficial-detroit-tigers-season-thread%3Fpage%3D5
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An immaculate inning occurs when a pitcher strikes out all three batters he faces in one inning, using the minimum possible number of pitches (nine).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_pitchers_who_have_thrown_an_immaculate_inning#cite_note-2) A total of 98 pitchers have struck out three batters on nine consecutive pitches in a half-inning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inning) of a Major League Baseball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball) (MLB) game as of June 2022.
The Astros had two immaculate innings in todays game with the Texas Rangers from two different pitchers
This has never been done before and is a MLB record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By9R3oOCC3s
They did it against the same three batters too. Ouch
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Obviously, at 0-2 pitchers will often try and get a batter to fish out of the zone, so this is unusual.
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They did it against the same three batters too. Ouch
I hadnt noticed that
Evidently their scouting report must of said something like throw em strikes they cant hit shit
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I hadnt noticed that
Evidently their scouting report must of said something like throw em strikes they cant hit shit
That's what teams are doing to Robbie Grossman this year. His plate discipline is still great, so his OBP is solid, but he's not hitting anything. I don't get why anyone is trying to paint on him.
Granted Javy Baez is the exact opposite. I wouldn't throw him a single pitch in the zone
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That was is own fault.....8 walks and allowed a game-tying HR in the 9th to Yaz.
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Among all his amazing numbers, I think having a .333 win% while leading the league in ERA is the craziest.
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played on some bad teams
similar to Bob Gibson's record season with ERA
more losses than you'd expect
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16. 16 losses with the best ERA.
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well, they had not traded for Rod Carew yet
no bats
apparently no closer, although Nolan could finish a game
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I once pitched a 12 inning game. I was on the JV team and we didn't have another pitcher. We lost 2-1 on an error after being tied 1-1 after the 6th. I hit a batter in the 12th with an 0-2 count to lead off the inning.
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Tigers have now been shut out 5 times this month. Trade Meadows and Baez for some trash cans to help AJ Hinch out
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so a lucky starting pitcher for the Tiggers could have a 0.80 ERA and have 4 losses
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Tigers have now been shut out 5 times this month. Trade Meadows and Baez for some trash cans to help AJ Hinch out
Im not sure that would help
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The best part of my $3/mo MLB radio app is no blackouts. I can work on WN orders and enjoy Dodgers baseball!
Kershaw is back.
They're unveiling a Sandy Koufax statue tomorrow.
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Im not sure that would help
Couldn't hurt. Offense sucks, and it worked for AJ last time
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I'd hate standing in against him, too. Bc Ryan had no idea where the ball was going.
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Everyone knows the Ryan Express has the all-time Ks lead with 5714 career strikeouts.
The runner-up is Randy Johnson, whose total is 85% of Ryan's.
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Ryan has the all-time walks record, too. Second place (Carlton) only threw 65% as many walks as Ryan's leading figure.
Nolan Ryan had more walks than these pitchers had strikeouts:
Clayton Kershaw
Tom Glavine
Warren Spahn
Bob Feller
Cole Hamels
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That's A LOT of self-inflicted stress.
The ironic thing is that in his 8-16, league-leading ERA season, he led the AL in K:BB ratio. Got his walks under control (for him) and it still didn't help.
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I know a guy that stood in against Ryan in AA ball
said it was scary as hell, Ryan didn't have much control at all back then
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Oneil Cruz is a kid to watch for Pirates. Nice splashy debut tonight. Looks like a WR at SS. I couldn't believe his arm when I saw him play at AAA.
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Oh, and the Pirates also called up Bligh Madris. Of course he plays for the Pirates, with the name like that, it had to be so. I assume he will be named team Captain.
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Da Braves are on a two game winning streak.
Back when I was playing baseball (MSBL), we went to a tournament in Columbus, OH and played a team from Pittsburg, really nice guys, and really really good. They were sponsored by some radio station, and were the required year out of the minors, most had been in AAA or AA recently they said. They were incredible. Of course they demolished us, but were nice about it, really. Their first baseman was 6'6" and huge, I got to chat with him a bit as somehow I got on base.
We played in the stadium with turf, which was odd, and center field was 440 away and I saw that and figured nobody would hit anything out. This team hit several moon shots way over the fence. It was a slight taste of how good these guys are. We had one guy who played in the Bigs and one at AA and a few more who played in college, so our team was decent, but not like that.
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Watching the pirates cubs
And razorbacks tigers
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Will be at tonight’s Arizona Diamondbacks game Vs the Detroit Tigers. Tix right on the first baseline.
Tonight happens to be Pride night and the first 15,000 fans through the gates will receive a shirt with the LGBTQ color patterned inside the Diamondbacks A logo. I don’t plan on keeping the shirt because it’s not at all me to wear a pride flag so I am thinking of giving it to my high school buddy in Peoria AZ who moonlights weekends in a Supertramp cover band.
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Astros toss a no no at the Yankees today using 2 pitchers
This is only the 2nd time the Yanks have been no hit in the last 64 years
Incidentally the other no hitter was also done by Houston in 2003
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Will be at tonight’s Arizona Diamondbacks game Vs the Detroit Tigers. Tix right on the first baseline.
Tonight happens to be Pride night and the first 15,000 fans through the gates will receive a shirt with the LGBTQ color patterned inside the Diamondbacks A logo. I don’t plan on keeping the shirt because it’s not at all me to wear a pride flag so I am thinking of giving it to my high school buddy in Peoria AZ who moonlights weekends in a Supertramp cover band.
Last year we had tickets to a Pirates game on a Saturday night, because it was a fireworks game. Turned out it was also the Pride Night game. But the prior night was Star Wars night. So they turned it into a 7 inning DH. All kinds of dress at that one, with a sprinkling of old yinzers that thought both groups were crazy
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The only Arena football game I ever attended was randomly a Star Wars night. They did a full-on rollout of storm troopers and Dearth Vader with the ominous music and all. I was like....okayyyyy.
I have no problem with it, but I was blind-sided, lol.
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Ohtani hit a HR 118 mph. He is different. He's entering Bo Jackson territory. Like Thorpe-Ruth-Bo territory.
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So the Tigers couldn't find a place for Trayce Thompson, but he's out here hitting game tying 2 RBI singles for the Dodgers a week later?
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My friend updated me on the game, and I laughed because I didn't realize he was still in baseball.
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37 years ago in Clearwater (Florida State League), Phillies organist Wilbur Snapp was ejected by the first base umpire for playing "Three Blind Mice" after a disputed first base call.
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On this date in 1969, Tony Oliva tied a record with eight straight hits in a doubleheader for the Minnesota Twins. He would go on to lead the American League in hits that season for the fourth time in six years.
https://baseballhall.org/.../oliva-records-eight-straight...
A 3-for-4 day at the plate usually leaves a batter happy in the clubhouse.
On June 29, 1969, Tony Oliva’s three-hit afternoon was just a warmup for the second game of the doubleheader between the Minnesota Twins and Kansas City Royals, when he went 5-for-5 to finish the day with a hit in eight straight at-bats.
Oliva’s eight hits in a doubleheader were one short of the American League record at the time.
https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/oliva-records-eight-straight-hits-in-doubleheader?fbclid=IwAR2YY0B-JgzMa9ntJLhGhyV1DxKdoJQqjc7HrNXIwVLTVAg_VyQmPvVwax8 (https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/oliva-records-eight-straight-hits-in-doubleheader?fbclid=IwAR2YY0B-JgzMa9ntJLhGhyV1DxKdoJQqjc7HrNXIwVLTVAg_VyQmPvVwax8)
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It happened almost fifty-three years ago, August 31, 1969, in a game between the Braves and Cubs in Atlanta. I'm sure some of our "senior readers" will remember the incident well.
Nineteen sixty-nine was the first year of divisional play and the Braves were in fourth place, but only 1.5 games back, locked in a tight pennant race with the Giants, Dodgers, and Reds for the National League West title. The Cubs, meanwhile, were in cruising along in first place in their division and had no inkling of what the baseball gods would soon have in store for them at the hands of the “Miracle Mets.”
Clete Boyer's In a Slump!
On this particular day, Clete Boyer, the Braves’ slick-fielding third baseman, was
mired in a 1-for-17 slump that had dropped his average to just over .240. The game was scoreless in the bottom of the fourth when the Braves’ Orlando Cepeda ripped a one-out double. That brought Boyer to the plate.
What happened next took everyone in the stadium by complete surprise. An attractive 23-year-old exotic dancer named Morganna Roberts, better known as “Morganna the Kissing Bandit,” leaped over the fence, bolted onto the playing field, and made a bee-line for the startled Clete Boyer standing at home plate.
(As far as I could tell, there doesn't appear to be a photo of the Clete Boyer-Morganna incident, so instead, in the featured photo below, we see “Morganna the Kissing Bandit” launching a surprise attack on Don Mattingly.)
Here’s Boyer’s recall of the…shall we say… “unusual” incident:
“I heard a commotion from the stands and suddenly there she was…She came up to me, put her arms around me, and said ‘Clete, you’re the greatest.’ Then she kissed me on the cheek.”
Needless to say, the fans erupted in laughter over the scene. After Morganna was escorted off the field to applause from the stands, Boyer, his composure eventually restored, proceeded to break out of his slump by ripping a line-drive RBI single, putting the Braves up 1-0. The Braves eventually lost 8-4, but Boyer had his best game in weeks, finishing 3-4.
A Novel Way To Break Out Of a Slump Had Been Found!
Not only that, but the incident seemed to jump-start the entire team. The Braves commenced on a 20-6 tear and won the National League West division title going away, finishing three games over the Giants. No word was given on whether the Braves voted Morganna a share of the post-season bonus money! They were eventually swept by the Mets in the first-ever divisional series.
And as for Boyer? He stayed hot with a 12-for-26 hitting spree including two doubles, a homer, and six RBIs in the next seven games. Funny what can get a ballplayer going, isn't it? Morganna later told her version of the story: “He kisses good. I told him I loved him. He said, ‘I love you, too'."
Clete Gets His Revenge!
And, shall we say, "what’s good for the goose is good for the gander"...or something like that! A week later, Boyer showed up at the club where Morganna was dancing and returned the favor. He jumped up on the stage in the middle of her act and planted a “smooch” on her, saying, “Now we’re even!”
The Scheme Works Like a Charm!
If Morganna was looking for publicity to boost her career, the scheme worked like a charm. It paid immediate dividends. Following her “surprise assault’ on Boyer she became something of a national sensation. She was arrested a few days later for jumping in a fountain in a bikini during the dedication of the city’s new Equitable Building. Morganna later claimed the publicity from the stunts netted her a cool 100 grand from her nightclub act and other personal appearances. Spreads in Playboy and other magazines soon followed,
Later “victims” surprised by the “Kissing Bandit” crashing ball games included: Cal Ripkin, Jr., Pete Rose, Don Mattingly, Nolan Ryan, Johnny Bench, George Brett, Steve Garvey, Dickie Thon, and Wes Parker. None of the later assaults had the same effect as the first with Boyer. Her shtick was soon wearing thin and she eventually faded from the scene to whereabouts unknown today.
Clete Boyer's Fine Career
Clete Boyer finished the 1969 season at .250 with 14 home runs and 56 RBI, earning his only Gold Glove. Over his 16-year career, he hit .242 with 162 home runs and 654 RBI. He was a member of two Yankee World Series Championships (1961 and 1962). Clete tailed off in 1970 and was released 30 games into the 1971 season after feuding with General Manager Paul Richards. He then played four seasons (1972-75) in Japan before retiring as an active player.
Boyer later served as a coach with the Yankees and Oakland Athletics under manager Billy Martin. He passed away in 2007 at age 70 following a brain hemorrhage.
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In 1966, Tony Cloniger, pitcher for the Braves, hit two grand slams in a single game. He also added a sac fly later for 9 RBI.
On July 3, 1966, in the Braves' 17–3 win over the Giants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Giants) at Candlestick Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlestick_Park) in San Francisco, Cloninger helped his team's cause with two grand slams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_slam_(baseball)) and nine RBIs, both of which still stand as Braves franchise single-game bests.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Cloninger#cite_note-1) Cloninger became the first player in the National League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League), and remains the only pitcher, to hit two grand slams in the same game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_hitters_with_two_grand_slams_in_one_game). Cloninger used a bat of teammate Denis Menke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Menke)'s to hit both of those big home runs, and they stood as the only two grand slams of his major league career.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Cloninger#cite_note-2)
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big hitter, the Cloniger
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We are going to add a nationally televised Sunday afternoon game this season to help grow the sport.
Cool, marquee teams?
Tigers vs. Royals
Um, ok, Network TV or ESPN?
Nope, streaming only on Peacock.
Ugh, why?
But get this, no announcers.
Baseball can't seem to get out of their own way with some of these decisions
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No announcers????
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Just correspondents in the stands. No PBP or color
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Just correspondents in the stands. No PBP or color
should be exciting
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They are going to screw around, and try one with just announcers and no picture, and accidentally invent radio
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Im old enough that I still remember watch Dizzy Dean and Peewee Reese announce
the game of the week
They had no instant replay and only 1 or 2 cameras
After every involved play happened ol Dizz would come on and say now fans heres what just happened and he would break down the action
for the viewer
and every now and then hed say Pee Wee my boy nows the time for a glass of ice cold Fall Staff beer
Heres a sample
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMCAVGtTrk
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Houston pitchers break a team strike out record recording 20 today
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geez, I figured Nolan had 20 himself at least once
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geez, I figured Nolan had 20 himself at least once
I guess not
The most I remember him having is 18
Because hardly anybody goes 9 innings now days thats pretty hard
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The 20 was for a nine inning game
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Nolan Ryan amassed 18 or more strikeouts in a nine-inning game twice, as well as 19 strikeouts in extra-inning games three times.
the internet is useful
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Nolan Ryan amassed 18 or more strikeouts in a nine-inning game twice, as well as 19 strikeouts in extra-inning games three times.
the internet is useful
cheater
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Nolan Ryan amassed 18 or more strikeouts in a nine-inning game twice, as well as 19 strikeouts in extra-inning games three times.
the internet is useful
It also helped that when he didn't have it, he wasn't pulled after giving up 5 through 1.2 innings. He just pitched 7, gave up 9, struck out 11, walked 6
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bullpen???
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bullpen???
Godspeed to any manager who told Nolan Ryan. He was coming out of the game after two innings
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Godspeed to any manager who told Nolan Ryan. He was coming out of the game after two innings
fortunately there was seldom a need for that
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Al Kaline is Mr. Tiger, so his career is probably slightly exaggerated locally, but I feel like that's somewhat balanced out by him being somewhat forgotten nationally
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True, Kaline and Kiner are 2 I always forget on any HR trivia or quiz. They're hidden behind Killebrew maybe.
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Trivia time!
It is often cited that Palmeiro has the most home runs of anyone to never win a league home run title. Considering it was the steroid era, which he was part of, the top three on that list all peaked during the '90s. So who is the all-time home run leader among guys who did not play during the steroid era, who did not win a home run title?
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who is the greatest Tiger of all time
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who is the greatest Tiger of all time
Ty Cobb, but there's no video of him, and one journalist lied about him to sell a book, and some movie rights, so he was blacklisted in the discussion for a long time
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Ty Cobb, but there's no video of him, and one journalist lied about him to sell a book, and some movie rights, so he was blacklisted in the discussion for a long time
Just checking to see if you would name him
I read his autobiography and enjoyed it quite a bit
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For our longhorns here. Kody Clemens is showing some power, and defensive versatility. As guys have gotten healthy, we have kept him around, and basically rotated three utility players rather than calling up one of our borderline outfielders (who played well). I think he has a solid future as a utility player on a good team. I don't think He can play the left side of the infield. But he can play first or second, or either corner outfield position. And he can hit for power, making him a valuable pinch hitter.
And Ty Madden in his first season in the pros has been unhitable his past six weeks in high A ball. He should be on track for a few starts in AA late this year, and if he keeps up with his trajectory, a potential September call up in 2023
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Fun fact about the Mets win tonight
https://twitter.com/TimBritton/status/1545944453642424322?t=pK0VbKX--gbnWyYQ2sT6vA&s=19
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Trivia time!
It is often cited that Palmeiro has the most home runs of anyone to never win a league home run title. Considering it was the steroid era, which he was part of, the top three on that list all peaked during the '90s. So who is the all-time home run leader among guys who did not play during the steroid era, who did not win a home run title?
I'd need a hint, like around how many HRs did he hit? Not to look up or remember, but if it's a guy with 300 or so, that's just going to be a guessing game. If it's like 500 or so, then I would give it some thought and have a chance.
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True, Kaline and Kiner are 2 I always forget on any HR trivia or quiz. They're hidden behind Killebrew maybe.
I was thinking about this some more, and there's another all-time great that is 3rd in line of a grouping that I just can't recall his name when I want to:
Cobb/Wagner......deadball legends...just behind them - Tris Speaker. Speaker isn't known to many casual fans, but there's one more right after him that I can never conjure when I try. Jesus Christ, I just looked him up and in this moment, I've lost him again. It's nuts. I'm now looking him up again. It's like an actual blind spot in my mind.
George Sisler.
I know how good he was, I know he held the single-season hits record for like 80 years, etc. But when I think of great deadball era hitters - it's those 3-4 I named and then that one other guy - and it's always him I can't recall.
Ugh.
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I'd need a hint, like around how many HRs did he hit? Not to look up or remember, but if it's a guy with 300 or so, that's just going to be a guessing game. If it's like 500 or so, then I would give it some thought and have a chance.
I'd guess the guy has close to 500 HRs
the steroid era wasn't that long
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I'd need a hint, like around how many HRs did he hit? Not to look up or remember, but if it's a guy with 300 or so, that's just going to be a guessing game. If it's like 500 or so, then I would give it some thought and have a chance.
He's in the top 50, so >431
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Maybe Eddie Murray?
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AL home run leader (1981)
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Eddie Murray had a strike shortened hr title of like 22 homers.....so I'll guess Winfield unless we're drawing a line around era to be pre 94?
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Hmm, maybe the guy who played with McCovey. Shit, what's his name.....Cepeda? I don't think he had that many, career, tho.
I guess I'd need a decade hint, this is hard.
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Eddie Murray had a strike shortened hr title of like 22 homers.....so I'll guess Winfield unless we're drawing a line around era to be pre 94?
He had more than Dave Winfield's 465.
He's also not an obscure name. Won multiple MVPs and batting titles. First ballot HOFer
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And, maybe this helps. I would not guess him either. I do not think of him as a power hitter, although he does hold one MLB power hitting mark
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Ah, now I know. I'll let this go for others to guess.
I have his '62 Topps card.
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Musial?
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Musial?
Ding ding ding
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Ha!
Pujols just tied him in career XBHs.
The Man and El Hombre.
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You could have Kershaw over Koufax by now.
I was looking at the Dodgers all-time best position players, and for a franchise that's been around forever and been so successful, they haven't had many 10+ year guys. Most of the ones they have are from those 50s teams. But when you think of the best hitters in Dodgers' history, they'd stay 5-6-7 years and move on.
Like Eric Karros is 11th all-time in plate appearances.
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the
Dodgers SUCK
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Kershaw vs Koufax, interesting. I recall when Koufax was the Bomb. Atlanta stadium would fill up when he pitched, and they had lousy attendance otherwise.
Sandy Koufax vs. Clayton Kershaw: Who is the Greatest Dodgers Pitcher of All Time? - Dodgers Nation (https://www.dodgersnation.com/sandy-koufax-vs-clayton-kershaw-who-is-the-greatest-dodgers-pitcher-of-all-time/2022/01/25/)
Koufax was better at the top of his career, I think, clearly, Kershaw better over the entire career.
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Jesus, just tell the Royals players it's the same shit George Brett used on his bat
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A modest proposal, a new award for starting pitchers who pass some minimum in innings, "The Express", for a starter who throws over 95 or so.
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So you think you know baseball,look at this picture puzzle and fiqure out the score
(https://i.imgur.com/FzSkAsV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/J9JN16a.png)
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LOOK DOWN FOR THE ANSWER
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
It's 5 to 4,last of the 5th,one out and nobody on
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Astros take 2 from the Yanks in a Thursday double header
Thats 7 out of 9 this year
not too bad
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yanks overrated
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yanks overrated
I wish the Astros had their pitching staff
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and Aaron Judge
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yanks overrated
well right now they have the best record in the MLB
so they have that going for them
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and Aaron Judge
we have our own version of Aaron Judge
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two is better than one
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two is better than one
well ok I guess we could pitch hit him every now and then
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DH
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DH
Our guy plays outfield and is also a DH but maybe they could alternate
that might work
hmmmm ok we'll take him
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Judge plays outfield
not maybe the best, but they could alternate
I'm sure Dusty Baker would find a spot in the lineup
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Ouch
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Our French math professor friend is in town staying down the hall. He has his nephew visiting from France (who doesn't habla much). They went to the game last night which was a real pitcher's duel that erupted into an 8-1 Braves win. Shohai pitched for the Angels and the place was full and pretty lively, so I think his exposure to beisbol was a good one.
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braves bats got to him in the 7th
but he did have 11 Ks and only 1 BB in 6 and a 3rd
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He was brilliant for 6 innings, and the fact he is a good hitter is remarkable to me. And he's fast. But you can hang one pitch in the MLB and the ball goes a long way.
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his hitting as been merely good this season
going 0-3 with 2 Ks leading off didn't help the pitcher
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I know about the mound height, still. Was there a better year by any pitcher?
He even hit nearly .300 as I recall. No, that was 1970 when he hit .303.
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By WAR, post WWII:
85 Gooden
72 Carlton
97 Clemens (sooooo weird his best season was as a Blue Jay)
71 Wood
00 Pedro
68 Gibson
72 Perry
02 Unit
63 Koufax
72 Wood
73 Seaver
I guess those Maddux seasons were too low on volume
How many would guess the first pitcher showing up twice on this list would be Wilbur Wood?
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By WAR, post WWII:
97 Clemens (sooooo weird his best season was as a Blue Jay)
He was using that REALLY good maple flavored juice that year
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How many would guess the first pitcher showing up twice on this list would be Wilbur Wood?
Not me.
I watched him as a kid because I'm a Sox fan. Always amazed me how he could throw so damn slow and be so damn effective.
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In the more than 150-year history of Major League Baseball, only one player has ever been murdered during a season. That player is Lyman "Wesley" Bostock Jr, a budding star for the Angels in the 1970s.
In his short 3 year MLB career (Twins and Angels) he batted .311 with 22 HR and 250 RBI.
Traded from the Twins with Rod Carew - this is when I started rooting for the halos and became a big Nolan Ryan fan
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I'd be curious for a list of who has the most HRs in a career from the side where they hit fewer HRs
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My cousin, who grew up in St. Louis, thought Ted "Simba" Simmons with the flowing mane like hair, was the greatest catcher ever
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https://deadspin.com/abolish-the-minor-leagues-1849337051
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https://deadspin.com/abolish-the-minor-leagues-1849337051
I read this article twice and still dont understand his gripe
Is he saying the manager is racist?
If the player is worth it he will be paid be someone else unless his agent is completely stupid
Getting rid of the minors to me is kinda like defunding the police
the minimum MLB salary is $700.000 a year
Its hard for me to feel sorry for someone making that much money
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I read this article twice and still dont understand his gripe
Is he saying the manager is racist?
If the player is worth it he will be paid be someone else unless his agent is completely stupid
Getting rid of the minors to me is kinda like defunding the police
the minimum MLB salary is $700.000 a year
Its hard for me to feel sorry for someone making that much money
That was the weird unnecessary throw in.
I think his larger argument is that teams make uncompetitive moves at a larger rate in MLB, because you can always sell fans on the future. And it's easy to convince owners to spend less money when you aren't competing.
Not an issue in NFL/NBA, because your draftees come in ready to play. You don't trade a guy for a bunch of guys 4 years away from playing. But the flip side is it's more obvious in MLB because there is no salary cap. You see teams make noncompetitive moves all the time in the NFL, simply because they can't fit guys under the cap.
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That was the weird unnecessary throw in.
I think his larger argument is that teams make uncompetitive moves at a larger rate in MLB, because you can always sell fans on the future. And it's easy to convince owners to spend less money when you aren't competing.
Not an issue in NFL/NBA, because your draftees come in ready to play. You don't trade a guy for a bunch of guys 4 years away from playing. But the flip side is it's more obvious in MLB because there is no salary cap. You see teams make noncompetitive moves all the time in the NFL, simply because they can't fit guys under the cap.
I think you are saying the article is saying the bottom goal is not to win a championship or go to the WS but instead to spend less money while keeping the fans happy
all I can say is that I have not seen this with the teams I follow but if it is happening its the owners money so he can do what he wants
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As a fan of a team doing this feel free to switch your following to a more competitive
team
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As a fan of a team doing this feel free to switch your following to a more competitive
team
The Astros are the reason every team tries this now. They punted on like 5 years, and it worked. Cubs too, to a lesser extent.
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I think you are saying the article is saying the bottom goal is not to win a championship or go to the WS but instead to spend less money while keeping the fans happy
all I can say is that I have not seen this with the teams I follow but if it is happening its the owners money so he can do what he wants
No, I think too many teams treat it like championship or bust. They force their fans to suffer through years of terrible product, to hopefully come out the other side as a champion. The Astros did it, and have extended that run. It worked for the Cubs, but for just a couple years. But if you got rid of the associated minor leagues, and that you limited rosters to 40, I think you'd see a LOT less of it
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The Astros are the reason every team tries this now. They punted on like 5 years, and it worked. Cubs too, to a lesser extent.
yes they did but the goal was very competitive
they rebuilt the team with very carefully chosen young players with some notable trade exceptions
as a fan we used to joke we needed at least an 8 run lead going into the ninth to feel comfortable
We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory many times over
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GMs check the trade deadlines of course and think whether their team has a real shot if they make a move. If they don't, they sell out and wait for another day.
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No, I think too many teams treat it like championship or bust. They force their fans to suffer through years of terrible product, to hopefully come out the other side as a champion. The Astros did it, and have extended that run. It worked for the Cubs, but for just a couple years. But if you got rid of the associated minor leagues, and that you limited rosters to 40, I think you'd see a LOT less of it
sometimes its the only solution
if you have a team of old average players you have no ability to improve through trades
I guess I dont see whats wrong with using your farm teams for their intended purpose
allowing more players on the roster who are green and unseasoned wont work
in addition these minor league teams provide an ideal for an injured player to get full function again
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GMs check the trade deadlines of course and think whether their team has a real shot if they make a move. If they don't, they sell out and wait for another day.
thats correct but thats not really the point
the point is whats the best way to go from an average team to a very good
the farm system including minor league teams is a proven way and IMHO just expanding your roster and doing away with the minor league teams isnt near as good
It would be like doing away with college football and have folks just go from HS to the pros
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An average team can hit the trades and get lucky. The Braves were under .500 when they did this last season.
MLB trade deadline 2021: Braves revamp outfield with deals for Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario, Adam Duvall - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-2021-braves-revamp-outfield-with-deals-for-eddie-rosario-adam-duvall/)
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An average team can hit the trades and get lucky. The Braves were under .500 when they did this last season.
MLB trade deadline 2021: Braves revamp outfield with deals for Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario, Adam Duvall - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-2021-braves-revamp-outfield-with-deals-for-eddie-rosario-adam-duvall/)
yep and Im not saying trades arent beneficial just that most teams dont have an inventory of tradable players to rebuild a team
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unless youre the Yankees you have to practice "Moneyball" to a degree and select good future prospects to turn a team around in 2 to 3 seasons
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thats correct but thats not really the point
the point is whats the best way to go from an average team to a very good
the farm system including minor league teams is a proven way and IMHO just expanding your roster and doing away with the minor league teams isnt near as good
It would be like doing away with college football and have folks just go from HS to the pros
No, it would be the opposite. That teams couldn't draft/sign guys until they were ready to play them
Im not convinced it's the right thing to do, but it is unfortunate how many teams are not actively trying to win. It's a phenomenon of the past 15 or so years
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No, it would be the opposite. That teams couldn't draft/sign guys until they were ready to play them
Im not convinced it's the right thing to do, but it is unfortunate how many teams are not actively trying to win. It's a phenomenon of the past 15 or so years
so how does a player get experience if he wont be signed until they are good enough to play
sooner or later every player will have his first MLB game and if he has no prior seasoning in the minors his talent will be much lower then it is today
doesnt seem to me that would be a good thing
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You still play in the minor leagues, you just aren't under team control
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I Ithink ELA is envisioning an all-independent minor league system where those teams aren't slaves to the MLB. So they sell their best player when they're good and ready, not whenever the parent team calls them up. They could actually compete for championships and have more butts in seats.
I think the minors were like that back in the early 1900s - the Orioles was the best of them.
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More like the lower levels of European soccer.
And I'm not necessarily advocating for it, that's simply the argument of the writer
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You still play in the minor leagues, you just aren't under team control
Currently the MLB teams park 15 players from their 40 man roster in the minor leagues and generally have a player development contract with them
Even though the MLB teams dont generally own the associated Minor League team they pay for various things from some coaches salaries as well as players salaries and also various supplies like baseballs
It takes money to develop these players and the Minor League team could not afford to pay 100% of these costs
so we are back to my original statement
where do these 15 prospects get the seasoning needed if monetary support is taken away from the related minor league team
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If the minor's go independent, those lucrative rookie contracts disappear except for the few ready to play MLB.
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The minor league contracts are far from lucrative. The top picks get decent signing bonuses
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like Mike Jordan did back in the day?
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The minor league contracts are far from lucrative. The top picks get decent signing bonuses
even a 15th round draft pick will get at least $100.000 so its not peanuts
every year there is a 20 player draft by each MLB team
there has to be some way for a team to protect its assets and right now thats assigning them to a minor league team for development
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The minor league contracts are far from lucrative. The top picks get decent signing bonuses
That's what I mean, the not quite top rookies get nice signing bonuses. They spend a year or so in the Minors and move up then, but the intial bonus can be pretty good.
Signing bonus - BR Bullpen (baseball-reference.com)
(https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Signing_bonus#:~:text=These bonuses are determined by the slot of,thousand dollars for players in the 40th round.)MLB Draft slot values: Here's how much money each pick is worth in 2021 | Sporting News
Last year, teams spent $291,408,490 on Draft bonuses, including $32,540,100 after the 10th round. No. 1 overall pick Henry Davis signed with the Pirates for $6,500,000, while No. 2 choice Jack Leiter of the Rangers received the highest bonus in the '21 Draft at $7,922,000. (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/mlb-draft-slot-values-2021/1mgfu2bw38lcq1ki0c5bjvv5sr)
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https://youtu.be/g_JkkEdSvbs
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Padres picking up both Soto and Josh Bell, for every prospect they have worth a damn
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Austin Riley get PotM AND a pretty solid ten year contract. I think he's worth it.
He has been whacking the ball around pretty consistently.
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Austin Riley get PotM AND a pretty solid ten year contract. I think he's worth it.
He has been whacking the ball around pretty consistently.
Braves have done a nice job locking their guys up. Should be a fun team for a while. Funny part is that it was thought a couple years ago they had a ton of organizational pitching depth, and it has been fairly disappointing
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Padres picking up both Soto and Josh Bell, for every prospect they have worth a damn
Aside from the fact that they can get into the 2022 postseason, this is a team 11.5 games out of first place, signing a guy who turned down 440 million bucks.
They've already got a fat, decade-long contract on the books in Machado.
They're dumping all of their future talent to get Soto and Hader for how long?
And they still have no chance to be better than the Dodgers over a stretch of years. It's truly bizarre.
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Vin Scully has got to be the GOAT, no? Was watching the first Cubs night game broadcast last week. Just masterful delivery.
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Aside from the fact that they can get into the 2022 postseason, this is a team 11.5 games out of first place, signing a guy who turned down 440 million bucks.
They've already got a fat, decade-long contract on the books in Machado.
They're dumping all of their future talent to get Soto and Hader for how long?
And they still have no chance to be better than the Dodgers over a stretch of years. It's truly bizarre.
They are all in through 2024, and then they have to figure things out. But they don't have to be better than the Dodgers. They just have to get in. It comes down to whether you'd rather extend the window, or make the window wider for the time its open.
The Padres will never spend with LA. I don't hate the idea of putting another team control guy on the roster for 3 postseasons, while Tatis is also under team control.
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https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1555023406562672644?t=vFME7Pn4HdrN3tL_y9XyRA&s=19
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They are all in through 2024, and then they have to figure things out. But they don't have to be better than the Dodgers. They just have to get in. It comes down to whether you'd rather extend the window, or make the window wider for the time its open.
The Padres will never spend with LA. I don't hate the idea of putting another team control guy on the roster for 3 postseasons, while Tatis is also under team control.
The Padres can't roll with LA, that's true. All they can do is peak for a few years, getting into the postseason, and then fall back down to mediocrity.
But they can do that without signing decade-long superstars for hundreds of millions of dollars. Considering what Soto already turned down, they can't keep him past his current deal. Tatis + Machado already......idk what they're doing. I mean, I guess it's better to actively be trying than not trying, but.........when it only takes like 85 wins to get in the dance and you're in a division with a juggernaut, being a 90-95 win team doesn't make a lot of sense. It's just throwing away money.
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I assumed they would not be re-signing him
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The Padres can't roll with LA, that's true. All they can do is peak for a few years, getting into the postseason, and then fall back down to mediocrity.
But they can do that without signing decade-long superstars for hundreds of millions of dollars.
Who knows how the money is going to work for the Padres. Everybody assumes they won't be able to keep the lineup of Tatis (injured), Machado, Soto intact, not to forget several other pretty strong hitters in Josh Bell, Drury, Cronenworth, Profro, and Alfero who hits well from the catcher position.
One financial aspect that isn't commonly spoken of or well understood is the Padres unique media rights situation with the Tijuana market. Apparently their quite popular Spanish language broadcasts across the border is adding millions more to an already Bull market franchise.
My buddy is down from LA this week. For weeks he's had tickets to last nights Padres game which just so happened to turn into Juan Soto's debut. 44K in attendance for a Wednesday game. Standing ovation for Soto's first plate appearance. Rockies pitchers had no chance from first inning on. Atmosphere felt more like a rowdy college football game. This weekend Padres are on the road Vs Dodgers.
Soto’s first plate appearance:
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Angels hit 7 HRs tonight, and lost 8-7 to the worst team in the AL
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https://twitter.com/LeBatardShow/status/1557003531718205444?t=TRE49feYyK1E87X9zX-ZAw&s=19
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Hes having a very good year
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https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1555023406562672644?t=vFME7Pn4HdrN3tL_y9XyRA&s=19
Good hearted million/billionaire.
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My team is the White Sox who, with devastating injuries, underperformed, all season. Now, they won 2-straight against the Astros in come from behind fashion. Just one-game back now, but I am under no illusions. Tim Anderson is out until mid-September. The injuries just keep coming.
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At least their senile manager is taking advice from the crowd now
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My team is the White Sox who, with devastating injuries, underperformed, all season. Now, they won 2-straight against the Astros in come from behind fashion. Just one-game back now, but I am under no illusions. Tim Anderson is out until mid-September. The injuries just keep coming.
I watched both games
both were tough losses
White Sox played well
2 games to go
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I watched Charlie Morton pitch for the Braves last night and marveled at how an older crafty fellow can mystify hitters so well with what looks like mostly mediocre stuff.
Maddux and Glavine did this back in the day with mediocre stuff. The Braves are now facing the Met aces though.
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Astros open a series with the Braves on Friday
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I think the Braves are a pretty good team but I've seen high level pitching shut them down (DeGrom et al.). Of course this isn't unique.
The Mets have some injuries right now, but they still have some elite starters.
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Forbes with a good rundown on MLB’s viewership numbers so far this season:
“Viewership for the regional sports networks is flat at the All-Star break. But given the shedding of subscriptions for linear television, and the league’s large number of games and the majority of them winning primetime, Major League Baseball continues to be a hot property… given its large inventory of games, and near-daily rhythm that allows blanketing of products on commercials.”
“…baseball sees extremely consistent numbers based on fan loyalty. The household impression numbers bear this out as many seeing gains are lagging in the standings. Leading the way with the largest gain are the Texas Rangers. The Rangers see a +42% increase year-over-year. They are followed by the Los Angeles Angels and Seattle Mariners (+33%), St. Louis Cardinals (+30%), and Philadelphia Phillies (+25%).”
“Maybe the biggest factor in MLB’s popularity with advertisers is how it dominates primetime against broadcast and cable competition. Eleven of the 29 rank #1 in their designated market area (Yankees, Phillies, Dodgers, Astros, Cardinals, Giants, Mariners, Guardians, Padres, Brewers, Royals), and five rank #2 (Braves, Tigers, Twins, Rays, Reds, and three rank #3 (Mets, Red Sox, Orioles).”
“Not all clubs are performing well; some so understandably. With the Oakland A’s jettisoning key talent and tanking in the standings, they account for the largest drop YOY (-46%). And it’s not just the A’s in the Bay Area that are down significantly. The San Francisco Giants are down -35%. They are followed by a -30% drop by the Cleveland Guardians, and a -29% drop by the Cincinnati Reds.”
More info:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2022/07/27/mlb-sees-year-over-year-regional-sports-network-viewership-flat-but-still-rules-primetime/?sh=13d646de6bea
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Tigers had a 1-2-3 bottom of the 8th, up 4-2, but the batter reached on a dropped 3rd strike, and the Guardians went in to score 6 runs in the inning and win 8-4, lol
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Tigers had a 1-2-3 bottom of the 8th, up 4-2, but the batter reached on a dropped 3rd strike, and the Guardians went in to score 6 runs in the inning and win 8-4, lol
https://twitter.com/SlangsOnSports/status/1560099711301963777?t=G1_hHheLnBWaRNFR2Ylp-g&s=19
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Tigers had a 1-2-3 bottom of the 8th, up 4-2, but the batter reached on a dropped 3rd strike, and the Guardians went in to score 6 runs in the inning and win 8-4, lol
I would have slashed both wrists
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At least they didn't break their arms and ribs going down Bernies Slide?
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With the entire preseason rotation on the IL, yet they have I think the 2nd worst record during this stretch bc of how awful the offense is. The Angels should throw a pile of money at Chris Fetter, if they want to try to stop wasting Trout and Ohtani
https://twitter.com/beckjason/status/1560795680859459586?t=dh1eegXWSIeTkbPuaZ2llw&s=19
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yup, they need to spend some money
on the mound and at the plate
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https://twitter.com/OutsiderSports/status/1560313323731787779?t=UPEAEit9BgGkCtWEHsEGGg&s=19
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The Dodgers lose their best pitcher for the rest of the season, and it barely made the news.
LA is like a freight train vs a fly.
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Kershaw will be back soon.
This is what depth looks like.
This is what you get with Tampa Bay intelligence and Yankees payroll.
Half the name position players are hitting .200, but it doesn't matter.
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And the shit show down in SD is hilariious, btw.
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My team is the White Sox who, with devastating injuries, underperformed, all season. Now, they won 2-straight against the Astros in come from behind fashion. Just one-game back now, but I am under no illusions. Tim Anderson is out until mid-September. The injuries just keep coming.
I don't know if I ever mentioned this, but you are the only person I "know" from Iowa who is a Sox fan. Most Iowans I've met go for the Kubbs.
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Did Paul O'neill really deserve a plaque in Monument Park? Sure, he was a solid (not great) player for 8 seasons in NYC.
But his jersey is now retired? Never expected that.
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At that rate, they could run out of jersey's in a few decades ...
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Did Paul O'neill really deserve a plaque in Monument Park? Sure, he was a solid (not great) player for 8 seasons in NYC.
But his jersey is now retired? Never expected that.
no
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wrong thread, Dude
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Are you sure he doesn't play for the Nats?
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Babe Ruth with Yale’s baseball captain and future president George H.W. Bush, 1948
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Babe Ruth with Yale’s baseball captain and future president George H.W. Bush, 1948
[img width=680 height=511.992 alt=May be an image of 6 people and people standing]https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/301245109_1865218000346835_4332202313133516127_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Moeh5Pu9ZYIAX-2W3R4&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9Rc38CBEo-FKV0IEH-jpu8xSN6NhMI4uO8Yb4C8XCo2g&oe=630BACA9[/img]
And even given their difference in length of life, a fair number of people would opt to be the guy on the left
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Astros trade package to land Angels' Mike Trout
Trout is in his 12th season with the Angels. For most of that time, he has been the absolute best player in the MLB. Though he has dealt with injuries over the last few seasons, he's still one of the best to play baseball today. He will be ranked among the absolute best MLB players, perhaps the best, by the time his career is done.
However, fans of baseball needs to see Mike Trout play October baseball. That is something the Angels haven't managed to do despite having Trout and superstar Shohei Ohtani. This is why the Angels might entertain trading Trout. This would be the best way to set up a rebuild or a quick rebuild. The Houston Astros need a centerfielder or left fielder and have the ability to pay Trout's contract and prospect cost.
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You could be an actual MLB GM.
Trade for a guy in his 12th season. Let's give him a new 10-year deal. Let's let his contract be an albatross for our franchise years after he's stopped contributing.
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but, if you beat the Dodgers in the world series the next four seasons, it's worth it
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Yeah, unless you are in NY or LA, you always mortgage tomorrow to buy today
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Wow, another valid candidate to be an MLB GM!
Players produce from 20 to 30. They regress from 30 to 40. Paying more for the regression is stupidity. The Pujols deal. The Cano deal.
I don't care if your payroll is last in the league - DO NOT SIGN A FAT 10 YEAR DEAL TO A 30+ YEAR OLD.
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Sounds like a fan of a big market team with an unlimited payroll. Yes, it.wluld be a terrible contract. Ain't my money. If you are right there, and you aren't in NYC or LA, just do it. Milwaukee and Tampa Bay have done everything "right", and have no banners to show for it.
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Oneil Cruz continues to rake the Brewers staff. Love watching that guy.
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Good luck
https://twitter.com/morsecode/status/1564456812467863555?s=20&t=HCdel8iiXQGKLe1QQZEDrw
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https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/1564588052894269440?t=-u3FzF6mCWcy8VXxwvzvHA&s=19
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Last night's Mets-Dodgers was just about perfect. Both starters went deep, and were great. Had a postseason feel. HR robbing catch. Edwin Diaz appearance. And the game took 2:20 to play
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Had the wrong outcome though...
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I was watching
and I enjoy the Dodgers losing
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August began with the Braves 3 GB and ended the same.
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I got to see LA clinch the NL West in person tonight. Very cool!
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So the Tigers couldn't find a place for Trayce Thompson, but he's out here hitting game tying 2 RBI singles for the Dodgers a week later?
He has a higher WAR in 130 PAs for the Dodgers than any player on the Tigers has this year
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JT Realmuto the second 20/20 catcher in MLB history. The first was Pudge in 1999. He was athletic, but I don't remember him ever being a 20 steal guy
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Dodgers have 109 wins with 5 to play.
Thanks to baseball's postseason setup, I have absolutely NO confidence they'll win the WS.
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As with last season, a lot has to do with how a team is playing late in the year, not over 162 games ...
and pitching of course.
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JT Realmuto the second 20/20 catcher in MLB history. The first was Pudge in 1999. He was athletic, but I don't remember him ever being a 20 steal guy
I suppose Biggio could have been on the list had he stayed at catcher
had 20 or more HRs 8 times and 20 or more stolen bases 9 times in his career
more stolen bases than HRs
but, only 20-20 3 seasons
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Dale Murphy came up as a catcher and had some speed. He had throwing issues....
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Dodgers have 109 wins with 5 to play.
Thanks to baseball's postseason setup, I have absolutely NO confidence they'll win the WS.
already making excuses
nothing wrong with playoff setup
If the Dodgers are good enough they win if not then theres always next year
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if they are built to win the reg season but not the playoffs, that's on the Dodgers
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I'll be happy when ESPN stops making us watch every time Judge comes to bat
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https://twitter.com/DannyVietti/status/1577452828624187392?t=QSttohgZ6SqiKxl_2endDA&s=19
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if they are built to win the reg season but not the playoffs, that's on the Dodgers
Like last year, the Braves have come on ultra strong since June 1. The hottest team can win in the playoffs obviously. Now, they get a week of rest, one more game to play the younger guys and then rest, which could mean rust.
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2022 MLB Predictions | FiveThirtyEight (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-mlb-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo)
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Uecker can't wait for this one to be over. I'm with him.
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if they are built to win the reg season but not the playoffs, that's on the Dodgers
You're not good at baseball or maths, if you believe that.
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I'll be happy when ESPN stops making us watch every time Judge comes to bat
what is the big deal with that anyway? why should anyone even care. get back to us when he breaks Barry Bonds record of 73. til then, no one should even give a little bit of a fk.
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You're not good at baseball or maths, if you believe that.
dont sandbag a sandbagger
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ESPN thinks everyone worships all things NYC.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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You're not good at baseball or maths, if you believe that.
I'm not interested enough in the Dodgers to know the strength of their pitching staff.
I'd guess they have the dominant arms to win best of 5 and best of 7 series, but if not it's their problem. They know the format and have been to the playoffs for 10 seasons straight.
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I think it very possible to have a dominant team for 162 games that isn't constructed for the playoffs that well. The Braves showed this aspect for quite a long time in the 90s and 00s. A team can be able to fully dominate weak and mediocre teams while struggling with other teams that have top flight pitching.
Then there is the observation that a team can be mediocre for half a season and then get hot for whatever reason.
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In 1924, in pursuit of a foul ball, Babe Ruth ran into a wall at Griffith Stadium, knocking himself unconscious.
The Babe was revived and stayed in the game...
He went 3-3 with two runs batted in and even played in the second game of the doubleheader!!!
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I think it very possible to have a dominant team for 162 games that isn't constructed for the playoffs that well. The Braves showed this aspect for quite a long time in the 90s and 00s. A team can be able to fully dominate weak and mediocre teams while struggling with other teams that have top flight pitching.
Then there is the observation that a team can be mediocre for half a season and then get hot for whatever reason.
How can a team be "constructed for the playoffs?"
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I guess yer the one that doesn't know jack about baseball ;)
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I think if I constructed a playoff team, I'd want first a strong and deep bullpen, especially these days. Then I'd want defense and speed, which tend to coincide.
The Braves very recently got its first (and only) complete game and sacrifice bunts of the year. The game has obviously changed, they got hot in part because their bullpen was efffective with starters going 5-6 innings often as not, and defense keeping them in games late (usually).
Obviously you'd love to have starters with names like Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz/Avery, but those guys only won the WS once in 14 tries.
Over 162 games, I'd go go more for starting pitching and power in the lineup.
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I think if I constructed a playoff team, I'd want first a strong and deep bullpen, especially these days. Then I'd want defense and speed, which tend to coincide.
The Braves very recently got its first (and only) complete game and sacrifice bunts of the year. The game has obviously changed, they got hot in part because their bullpen was efffective with starters going 5-6 innings often as not, and defense keeping them in games late (usually).
Obviously you'd love to have starters with names like Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz/Avery, but those guys only won the WS once in 14 tries.
Over 162 games, I'd go go more for starting pitching and power in the lineup.
got to have a strong bull pin to win in the playoffs
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I don't think you can intentionally build for one or the other, but there are certainly things that matter more for one or the other. Position flexibility, and organizational depth, to deal with injuries matter a whole lot in the regular season, and very little in the postseason. If you only have 3 good starters in your entire organization, you can ride that a long way in the postseason. I think the only thing that becomes more important in the postseason is bullpen depth. You go to them earlier, and more often. Regular season you can just have some innings eaters in there when you find yourself down 7-1 in the 5th
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I don't think any team builds for one or the other, but some teams fall into one side or the other. You can't build for a playoff when you can't reach it, but once reached, some teams are better suited for it, and perhaps less suited for the 162.
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for the playoffs I'd go with 2 elite starters and a 3rd that was very good
Easier said than done, but you gotta have that Ace that is gonna go up against the opponent's Ace and win the ballgame. Or cause the opponent to shuffle his lineup so his Ace isn't up against your ace.
pair that Ace or two with a lights out closer and those bullpen guys that shutdown the 7th & 8th innings and you're set for a 5-game or 7-game series
Similar , on the offensive side, first 5 hitters are studs, you get your runs.
It's nice to have the 4th and 5th starting pitchers win some games in the regular season and the middle and bottom of your batting lineup score some runs and get a few wins vs less than great pitching staffs
that's reg season wins
in the playoffs to win 3 or 5 games in a series, ya gotta have the elite talent. Especially with the arms.
similar with the NFL or the NBA
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Well I'm now 8-0 at the Jake,the Tribe(guardians) win today 2-1
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got to have a strong bull pin to win in the playoffs
What's the evidence for this? Run prevention is run prevention.
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for the playoffs I'd go with 2 elite starters and a 3rd that was very good
Easier said than done, but you gotta have that Ace that is gonna go up against the opponent's Ace and win the ballgame. Or cause the opponent to shuffle his lineup so his Ace isn't up against your ace.
pair that Ace or two with a lights out closer and those bullpen guys that shutdown the 7th & 8th innings and you're set for a 5-game or 7-game series
Similar , on the offensive side, first 5 hitters are studs, you get your runs.
It's nice to have the 4th and 5th starting pitchers win some games in the regular season and the middle and bottom of your batting lineup score some runs and get a few wins vs less than great pitching staffs
that's reg season wins
in the playoffs to win 3 or 5 games in a series, ya gotta have the elite talent. Especially with the arms.
similar with the NFL or the NBA
How is any of this different from what every teams strives to have and what good teams have in the regular season?
You guys are just parroting what you've heard. Where's the evidence?
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I don't think any team builds for one or the other, but some teams fall into one side or the other. You can't build for a playoff when you can't reach it, but once reached, some teams are better suited for it, and perhaps less suited for the 162.
Which teams? Do you have examples that support your claims?
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We have not seen a Starting Pitcher win three world series games since 1968 and only three since WWII.
Most occurred pre 1920, not surprisingly.
Big unit won 3 in 2001, one from the pen.
Of course a WS has to go 7 these days to have a chance to sew a guy three times. Big Matty won three in 1905 in a five game series, beneficiary of rainout postponements .
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I think post season success has more to do with luck than roster construction strategy. 80s Cards are a good example. By all accounts their weakest WS team won, and their two strongest lost, all 7 game series. Substantially similar 'build' speed, little power, two arms and a fireman.
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The idea that a team can build for the postseason or is built for the postseason is horse shit. It's something that the talking heads say and everyone nods their head, thinking "yeah, that makes sense."
But no one ever presents examples for this idea, nor noting teams that aren't built for the postseason and lose in an upset.
They want to sweep the fact that the postseason is very nearly random under the rug. I don't know why, but that's what they're trying to do.
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We have not seen a Starting Pitcher win three world series games since 1968 and only three since WWII.
Most occurred pre 1920, not surprisingly.
how many have won 2?
how many have won 2 and lost the series?
how many have had 2 pitchers win 2 each? there's yer winner
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Down at Progressive Field to watch the good guys get one in the win column - now I'm 8-0 there
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The idea that a team can build for the postseason or is built for the postseason is horse shit.
And THAT is not remotely what anyone here is claiming of course.
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I might be
I'm saying go get the elite pitching staff
load up on Cy Young winning arms
Houston has Justin Verlander - Houston has done pretty well in the playoffs
it's tougher in baseball because players aren't as consistent from one season to the next
yes, luck is a factor, but some teams are better suited for a 5 game series against another high quality team than other
a GM and owner can try to craft a roster that is built for a 5 game series vs a .600 team as opposed to winning a bunch of games vs a bunch of .400 teams
those teams have the luxury of paying a tax to stock an already good roster
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I doubt GM consciously thinks "I'm building for this or that" except to win. At times, a team MIGHT end up suited to do well in 162 and less well in the post season.
One key over 162 is to crush the substandard teams, the kind you won't see in a playoff.
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I doubt GM consciously thinks "I'm building for this or that" except to win. At times, a team MIGHT end up suited to do well in 162 and less well in the post season.
I'd guess the GM of the Dodgers or Astros who has been to the playoffs most of the past ten seasons is bored with the reg season and is thinking what do I need to build into my roster to win the World Series
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They might be thinking about how they can strengthen their post season chances, sure. I don't think they intended to build a 162 team that would not win a WS.
The Braves did that in the 90s with the one exception year. They had killer starting pitching and a rather shallow pen. Now they are the reverse of that.
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I might be
I'm saying go get the elite pitching staff
load up on Cy Young winning arms
Houston has Justin Verlander - Houston has done pretty well in the playoffs
it's tougher in baseball because players aren't as consistent from one season to the next
yes, luck is a factor, but some teams are better suited for a 5 game series against another high quality team than other
a GM and owner can try to craft a roster that is built for a 5 game series vs a .600 team as opposed to winning a bunch of games vs a bunch of .400 teams
those teams have the luxury of paying a tax to stock an already good roster
Houston does well in the playoffs because of their bull pin
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Verlander doesn't hurt
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Verlander doesn't hurt
youre right but a lot of games are won and lost from the 7th inning on
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Great teams have it al, or nearly so, and win in both seasons. A really good team with some gaps can win in the post season with a deep pen and some hot hitters.
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youre right but a lot of games are won and lost from the 7th inning on
yup, especially when two #1 starters matchup
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Yeah, you come up against other teams with great starters, so it's 1-0 going into late innings.
The Braves won in 1995 1-0 in the final game.
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built for the playoffs!
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Great teams have it al, or nearly so, and win in both seasons. A really good team with some gaps can win in the post season with a deep pen and some hot hitters.
Declaring it doesn't make it so, lol.
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youre right but a lot of games are won and lost from the 7th inning on
Yeah, about 1/3 of them (you know, because that's 3 innings out of 9).
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built for the playoffs!
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Yeah, about 1/3 of them (you know, because that's 3 innings out of 9).
are you really that stupid
what an idiot
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How do you build for 0-0 games in the 15th?
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are you really that stupid
what an idiot
Ehhh....
(https://i.imgur.com/n1sEd6v.jpg)
2022 runs:
innings 1-3: 6,936
innings 4-6: 7,101
innings 7-9: 6,186
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Here, let's even do this: innings 7-9 plus all runs scored in extra innings: 6,780
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Don't test me, son.
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Ehhh....
2022 runs:
innings 1-3: 6,936
innings 4-6: 7,101
innings 7-9: 6,186
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Here, let's even do this: innings 7-9 plus all runs scored in extra innings: 6,780
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Don't test me, son.
We are talking about the post season not the reg season
so far we have had 3 games where runs were scored in 7th or forward innings and every time the team scoring the most runs in those innings won the game
if you have a strong bull pin you keep the other team from scoring more runs then you during those innings hence giving your team a better chance of winning
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How do you build for 0-0 games in the 15th?
Lull them to sleep then Hammer Time.Bring on the fookin' Yankees
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We are talking about the post season not the reg season
so far we have had 3 games where runs were scored in 7th or forward innings and every time the team scoring the most runs in those innings won the game
if you have a strong bull pin you keep the other team from scoring more runs then you during those innings hence giving your team a better chance of winning
So you're citing a sample size of this year's first 2 games in the Wild Card round??
Mmmkay, I'll stop. It would be like trying to teach astrophysics to a 3 year old.
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So you're citing a sample size of this year's first 2 games in the Wild Card round??
Mmmkay, I'll stop. It would be like trying to teach astrophysics to a 3 year old.
Im saying most of the time the team that scores more runs in the 7th to the 9th innings will win
its probably over 80% of the time
if you have the stronger bull pen you have a much better chance of winning
lets see where we stand at the end of the world series
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Im saying most of the time the team that scores more runs in the 7th to the 9th innings will win
its probably over 80% of the time
if you have the stronger bull pen you have a much better chance of winning
lets see where we stand at the end of the world series
Sigh.
You can take any 3-inning sample from a game and usually the team scoring more in that 1/3 of the game will have been the winner. How do you not understand this??
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Seeing where we stand after the WS is irrelevant. The WS and the rounds leading up to it are best-of-7 series and thus, are tiny samples. They aren't valid enough to extrapolate anything from them. That's the point.
You're making a poor point and waiting for a payoff that isn't statistically significant. That's why having this conversation with you is an utter failure.
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Sigh.
You can take any 3-inning sample from a game and usually the team scoring more in that 1/3 of the game will have been the winner. How do you not understand this??
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Seeing where we stand after the WS is irrelevant. The WS and the rounds leading up to it are best-of-7 series and thus, are tiny samples. They aren't valid enough to extrapolate anything from them. That's the point.
You're making a poor point and waiting for a payoff that isn't statistically significant. That's why having this conversation with you is an utter failure.
yes you could take any three inning sample but I picked the 7 to 9 inning area because thats when most teams will be using their bull pen
if my bull pen is better then yours I will score more runs and have a good chance of winning the game
if you doubt this I challenge you to test it on any number of games
your problem is your ego wont allow you to admit youre wrong
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yes you could take any three inning sample but I picked the 7 to 9 inning area because thats when most teams will be using their bull pen
if my bull pen is better then yours I will score more runs and have a good chance of winning the game
if you doubt this I challenge you to test it on any number of games
your problem is your ego wont allow you to admit youre wrong
Some evidence could show I'm wrong, but you don't present any. Nor will you. Ever. Because it's easy to just proclaim something and move on than to actually support your position.
You're being lazy.
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Some evidence could show I'm wrong, but you don't present any. Nor will you. Ever. Because it's easy to just proclaim something and move on than to actually support your position.
You're being lazy.
not being lazy
I dont have to prove anything cause its there to see
Ive already gone over 162 box scores for both the Astros and the Texas Rangers and the evidence is way in support of my statement
I challenge you to try it
anyway thats all I have to say on the matter
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Share the evidence with us.
Or did you mean you looked at box scores and remember when you saw what you agreed with and ignored the multitudes of times it didn't happen that way?
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Declaring it doesn't make it so, lol.
Point to anything in my post that is even debateable.
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This obsession with the bullpen is bizarre. A good team can win with a strong bullpen and hot hitters, sure, but they could also win with dominant starting pitching and timely hitting.
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The baseball postseason (and the sport itself) yields the best team record-wise as the champion only about half the time. With expanded playoffs, this will further decrease. It doesn't matter if your bullpen stinks or your manager is a drunk, it's not set up for the best team to win it all. Of the 3 major sports, it requires the longest regular season to reveal who the best teams are. And these 7-game series are near coin-flips.
And I have no fucking clue why I get so much pushback on that. It's math.
Great for entertainment, pretty shitty for competition-sake.
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The World Series generally is going to involved two elite teams, so sure, it's a coin flip. Duh. And a team can get hot late in the year after a mediocre start and win it, as we saw last year. That same team got hot against this year late. Will they win it again? Probably not, but they might.
The team with the stronger, deeper bull pen likely has an advantage in such a series, for reasons laid out multiple times here. This is Baseball 101.
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The World Series generally is going to involved two elite teams, so sure, it's a coin flip. Duh. And a team can get hot late in the year after a mediocre start and win it, as we saw last year. That same team got hot against this year late. Will they win it again? Probably not, but they might.
The team with the stronger, deeper bull pen likely has an advantage in such a series, for reasons laid out multiple times here. This is Baseball 101.
Yes, multiple proclamations about bullpens here. No actual data.
It's not about 2 elite teams in the WS, jesus christ, man. It's about wild-card teams winning the WS, it's about the Braves last year, etc. It's about a team 18 games behind another having a brief series to win the championship.
Stop trying to "yeah, but".....it doesn't work.
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Teams don't "get hot." That's just how the ebb and flow of baseball is. There are 8-game winning streaks and 5-game losing streaks almost constantly in the regular season.
In the postseason, the 88-win Braves' wins over a 106-win Dodgers are earned and NORMAL. They're not some sort of special "hot" streak. But the point is that those ebbs and flows tend to wash out in the long regular season, but in a short series, they dictate everything.
The Braves didn't do anything different or special to become what you call "hot," they simply played well due to random chance/luck. But not any amount of extra luck, just the normal luck that occurs repeatedly during the regular season.
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How Bullpens Took Over Baseball’s Postseason - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/10/how-bullpens-took-over-baseballs-postseason/542583/)
Bullpen X-factors for 2022 postseason contenders (mlb.com) (https://www.mlb.com/news/bullpen-x-factors-for-2022-postseason-contenders)
MLB playoffs: Ranking all eight bullpens based on late-inning confidence levels -- which team can you trust? - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-playoffs-ranking-all-eight-bullpens-based-on-late-inning-confidence-levels-which-team-can-you-trust/)
This is a thing pretty much widely acknowledged in baseball. If you disagree, fine with me.
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The Braves didn't do anything different or special to become what you call "hot," they simply played well due to random chance/luck. But not any amount of extra luck, just the normal luck that occurs repeatedly during the regular season.
You have zero clue about what the Braves did to get hot, and it is pretty obvious, and widely acknowledged, but those who know a bit about the game, the guy's first name is Alex and I can't spell his last name.
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Let me guess, all of you think the moneyball-era A's didn't win a WS because they "weren't built for the postseason."
When in actuality, they didn't win a WS because they simply just happened not to win a WS. They won as many games as a team with 3-4-5x its payroll, but lost in the playoffs because..........well, there's no "because." That's just how it happened. It could have just as easily happened differently.
Because the MLB postseason is a coin flip every series.
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How Bullpens Took Over Baseball’s Postseason - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/10/how-bullpens-took-over-baseballs-postseason/542583/)
Bullpen X-factors for 2022 postseason contenders (mlb.com) (https://www.mlb.com/news/bullpen-x-factors-for-2022-postseason-contenders)
MLB playoffs: Ranking all eight bullpens based on late-inning confidence levels -- which team can you trust? - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-playoffs-ranking-all-eight-bullpens-based-on-late-inning-confidence-levels-which-team-can-you-trust/)
This is a thing pretty much widely acknowledged in baseball. If you disagree, fine with me.
This is a different discussion, lol. FFS. Yes, teams are using their bullpens more often. No one said they weren't. Jesus, I ask for evidence, and one of your links begins with "It seems like..." Amazing.
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Forget Starting Pitchers. It’s Bullpen Season. | FiveThirtyEight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/forget-starting-pitchers-its-bullpen-season/)
Padres recipe for deep postseason runs starts with bullpen (eastvillagetimes.com) (https://www.eastvillagetimes.com/padres-recipe-for-deep-postseason-run-starts-with-the-bullpen/)
Which Playoff Team Has the Best Bullpen? - Stadium (watchstadium.com) (https://watchstadium.com/videos/which-playoff-team-has-the-best-bullpen-baseball/)
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Here are the stats from the Astros 162 game season
out of 162 games there were 37 games where neither team scored from the 7th inning on
there were 14 games where both teams scored the same number of runs from the 7th inning on
this leaves 111 games where one team scored more runs from the 7th inning on then the other team
of the 111 games the team scoring the most runs from the 7th inning on won 82 times or had win rate of 74%
To win in the playoffs you need a good bull pen to keep the other team from out scoring you from the 7th inning on
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Here are the stats from the Astros 162 game season
out of 162 games there were 37 games where neither team scored from the 7th inning on
there were 14 games where both teams scored the same number of runs from the 7th inning on
this leaves 111 games where one team scored more runs from the 7th inning on then the other team
of the 111 games the team scoring the most runs from the 7th inning on won 82 times or had win rate of 74%
To win in the playoffs you need a good bull pen to keep the other team from out scoring you from the 7th inning on
Fantastic effort. Thank you.
But that 74% number doesn't mean anything in isolation. It may be high. It could be low. You'd have to compare it to other 3-innning clusters.
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Fantastic effort. Thank you.
But that 74% number doesn't mean anything in isolation. It may be high. It could be low. You'd have to compare it to other 3-innning clusters.
Im only showing the 7th inning on because thats when a teams bull pen comes into play
It matters not what happens when a teams starter is playing
how many times have you seen a starter pitch lights out ball only to see that team lose because their bull pen was crap
my whole message is for a team to win in the playoffs their bull pen must be very good
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how many times have you seen a starter pitch lights out ball only to see that team lose because their bull pen was crap
About as often as the starter gives up a lot of runs, but then the bullpen shuts down the team to finish out the game.
Your anecdotal sharing isn't going to convince anyone of anything.
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Here are the 2022 MLB bullpens ranked by era
notice anything
https://www.covers.com/sport/baseball/mlb/statistics/team-bullpenera/2022
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Playoff Bullpen ERA Rank by WS Champion:
2021: 3rd
2020: 9th
2019: 5th
2018: 2nd
2017: 7th
2016: 7th
2015: 4th
2014: no data available
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Ehhh, from this data, all I see is that to win the WS, your bullpen merely shouldn't suck. Those two 7th-best bullpens in '16 and '17 were out of 10 playoff teams.
This data tells me that bullpen ERA isn't especially vital to winning the WS. Now, it's not super safe to proclaim that, as I have said before, this type of data isn't really useful unless we compare it to other aspects vs team success.
So let's look at overall team pitching ERA:
2021: 4th
2020: 4th
2019: 5th
2018: 4th
2017: 5th
2016: 5th
2015: 4th
2014: 2nd
See, here we have consistency. That makes me think this data point is more valid, regardless of whether the average ranking is either or lower than the bullpen ERA number. The bullpen ERA rankings are all over the place. The overall playoff pitching ERA, while worse than I would have guessed, is at least consistent.
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2021: 3rd
2020: 2nd
2019: 5th
2018: 2nd
2017: 6th
2016: 2nd
2015: 1st
2014: 6th
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Kind of all over the place, like bullpen ERA, huh? Well now let's see the average for each (2021-2015):
5.29 Bullpen ERA
4.43 Overall pitching
3.00 Hitting (OPS)
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I would not take away from this that bullpen ERA is the least important aspect, just based on this. But look at it. It's definitely not the most important. It's not even close. The data does not support it. It suggests the opposite, but this is fast-and-dirty, so I don't think any meaningful proclamations can be made from it.
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If I did want to make any tentative proclamations, it'd be these:
-fewer runs are scored in playoff games than regular season games
-bullpen ERA is important
-overall pitching is more important
-in a run-scarce environment, each run scored and run prevented is more important than in a higher run environment
-you have to score at least 1 run in order to win a game (this may be a biggie)
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it's really too bad that @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) doesn't follow baseball enough to peruse this thread.
One of my finest examples of pot stirring!
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it's really too bad that @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) doesn't follow baseball enough to peruse this thread.
One of my finest examples of pot stirring!
I get to enjoy your work in so many other places, reading it here might be a little TOO much. :)
Anyway, does baseball season ever end? I'm tired of weird interruptions in football broadcasting intended to show me irrelevant baseball things.
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yes baseball season ends soon and then you have Lebron James to entertain you
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Playoff Bullpen ERA Rank by WS Champion:
2021: 3rd
2020: 9th
2019: 5th
2018: 2nd
2017: 7th
2016: 7th
2015: 4th
2014: no data available
.hhh, from this data, all I see is that to win the WS, your bullpen merely shouldn't suck. Those two 7th-best bullpens in '16 and '17 were out of 10 playoff teams.
This data tells me that bullpen ERA isn't especially vital to winning the WS. Now, it's not super safe to proclaim that, as I have said before, this type of data
you act like I said you only do well in the playoffs with the best bullpen and thats not my point at all
you dont have to have the best but you do need a good one
every team in the playoffs probably has a better bullpen then the 20 teams that didnt make it
obviously a good bull pen isnt the only asset needed
you also need a good starting rotation and offensive hitting punch as well
my main point is a good bullpen is often overlooked when measuring the ability of a team to win in the playoffs
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yes baseball season ends soon and then you have Lebron James to entertain you
(https://i.imgur.com/BNrGWRR.png)
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A thing I notice in such "discussions" is how a pretty simple point will get exaggerated to some extreme to counter it, when it isn't the point at all.
It's obvious that a team great in every other respect but an average bullpen can win. And I think more important than season ERA is ERA in the last month or so. Teams do add pitching, often BP pitching, at the trade deadline, and that can make a bullpen.
A team can have a very average record before June 1 and win the WS by "getting hot", in part by adding different players later. And those teams can do well in the playoffs.
At least the Mets are out.
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A thing I notice in such "discussions" is how a pretty simple point will get exaggerated to some extreme to counter it, when it isn't the point at all.
It's obvious that a team great in every other respect but an average bullpen can win. And I think more important than season ERA is ERA in the last month or so. Teams do add pitching, often BP pitching, at the trade deadline, and that can make a bullpen.
A team can have a very average record before June 1 and win the WS by "getting hot", in part by adding different players later. And those teams can do well in the playoffs.
At least the Mets are out.
not this year
every team remaining in the playoffs has a good bull pen as is normally the case
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Nope, not this year. LA and Houston are the obvious favorites, and for good reason.
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you act like I said you only do well in the playoffs with the best bullpen and thats not my point at all
you dont have to have the best but you do need a good one
every team in the playoffs probably has a better bullpen then the 20 teams that didnt make it
obviously a good bull pen isnt the only asset needed
you also need a good starting rotation and offensive hitting punch as well
my main point is a good bullpen is often overlooked when measuring the ability of a team to win in the playoffs
Who has ever suggested good teams have shitty bullpens? You're backtracking hard here.
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A thing I notice in such "discussions" is how a pretty simple point will get exaggerated to some extreme to counter it, when it isn't the point at all.
My favorite part is when the goalposts get moved and then the person backtracks when the other person does some actual research to disprove the point.
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Who has ever suggested good teams have shitty bullpens? You're backtracking hard here.
I never said you said anything about shitty bullpens go back and read what I said
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Hey guys, teams tend to win when they score more runs than their opponent.
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Hey guys, teams tend to win when they score more runs than their opponent.
Is this why everyone calls you Mr Baseball
Such an abundance of knowledge
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As I noted, when some starts distorting with intent what others posted, it's a sign, not the first one either.
In my opinion, a team can have a great 162 game season and be less well prepared for the playoffs than another that wins fewer games. It doesn't happen every time of course. Often, the LAs and Houstons prevail. And sometimes a team that wins only 88 may prevail, in part due to "luck" or random factors.
The game has changed a lot, I think, over the past decade, aside from the DH in the NL. The shift is very common now, analytics is a big thing, bullpens have become much larger factors, a starter who goes 6 and yields 2-3 runs may be your ace. The sacrifice bunt is almost forgotten as a thing. It's pretty amazing really.
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As I noted, when some starts distorting with intent what others posted, it's a sign, not the first one either.
In my opinion, a team can have a great 162 game season and be less well prepared for the playoffs than another that wins fewer games. It doesn't happen every time of course. Often, the LAs and Houstons prevail. And sometimes a team that wins only 88 may prevail, in part due to "luck" or random factors.
The game has changed a lot, I think, over the past decade, aside from the DH in the NL. The shift is very common now, analytics is a big thing, bullpens have become much larger factors, a starter who goes 6 and yields 2-3 runs may be your ace. The sacrifice bunt is almost forgotten as a thing. It's pretty amazing really.
maybe for Atlanta but not Houston
Houston bunts quite often when the shift offers an advantage to it
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They sacrifice bunt a lot? Huh. This claims they are pretty far down the list.
if you look at the ten teams with the fewest sacrifice bunts, six of them are in the top-10 in scoring (Dodgers, Braves, Cardinals, Blue Jays, Phillies, and Astros). Only one team in the top-10 in sacrifice bunts (Mets) are in the top-10 in scoring.
MLB Stats - MLB Team Sacrifice Hits per Game | TeamRankings.com (https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/sacrifice-hits-per-game)
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They sacrifice bunt a lot? Huh. This claims they are pretty far down the list.
if you look at the ten teams with the fewest sacrifice bunts, six of them are in the top-10 in scoring (Dodgers, Braves, Cardinals, Blue Jays, Phillies, and Astros). Only one team in the top-10 in sacrifice bunts (Mets) are in the top-10 in scoring.
MLB Stats - MLB Team Sacrifice Hits per Game | TeamRankings.com (https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/sacrifice-hits-per-game)
well they do bunt in general a lot maybe not just for sacrifices
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Rod Carew used to bunt for base hits more often than most
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I've seen Olson try to bunt against the shift sometimes when they need a runner. I have yet to see that work for him.
I wonder if one should look at a team's record against other very good teams to see who has an advantage in the playoffs. Pounding bad teams isn't very probative, I think.
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2021 NL
ATL-MIL-STL-SF-LA
Records vs each other
14-11 ATL
18-21 MIL
19-20 STL
18-20 SF
21-18 LA
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Not much to glean here. You'd have to include years and years in both leagues to find any possible trend. But these teams did go 16-3 or 15-4 vs the underlings here and there. So while yes, those teams aren't included in the playoffs, that tends to yield near-.500 records for the playoff teams vs each other.
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*ATL's is fewer games, because they had no Eastern brethren make the playoffs.
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*ATL's is fewer games, because they had no Eastern brethren make the playoffs.
Did the Mets move out of the East? What about the Phillies?
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2021 is not 2022.
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Ah, good catch. I didn't see that, but of course you need past history to know the final result.
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Bob Uecker shagging flyballs with a tuba prior to Game 2 of the 1964 World Series.
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311024132_1900182340183734_6852051429723505828_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Wh3gvLkl_jIAX-1PE1i&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9M7BBXH-lzxGVpry3U1dDbDgauz3UzcQnauSjUGbRdOg&oe=634A12C1)
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Didn't have the Divisional Series' started with Fried and Verlander getting rocked
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Fried didn't really get rocked, seeing eye ground balls mostly.
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Just so long as the bullpens are effective, they can make up for your starter getting rocked. Right?
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Ya Phillies take it
:cool2:
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That's good for the Dodgers.
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Astros were down 7 to 3 in bottom of the 8th and won it with a walk off 3 run homerun in the 9th
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opponent's bullpen musta sucked
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so, am I supposed to root for the Spankees or whatever the Cleveland team is called?
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opponent's bullpen musta sucked
we scored 5 runs in the 8th and 9th
I'll let you decide
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I'm so enthused that you feel vindicated by that.
smh
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I'm so enthused that you feel vindicated by that.
smh
nope dont feel vindicated cause I feel no need to prove anything
it is what it is and neither of us can do anything to change it
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I remember when the Tigers chose Michael Fulmer over Zack Wheeler as the return pitcher in the Cespedes trade. Seemed super smart 6 years ago when Fulmer looked like a future ace.
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Nice to see Hader perform tonight.
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Nice to see Hader perform tonight.
He looked good
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At least the Phils did not disappoint me. Let's go!
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Cleveland Guardians have been as hot in September and October as Farrah Fawcett throughout the late 1960s and 1970s for over a month now. I don't think they will be able to keep going like that for the next 12 years, but maybe for the next two weeks.
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The Dodgers are the Packers. A great regular season team beating up on their division all season before collapsing in the playoffs most every year. Both also have very sizeable, devoted fan bases. And how did the Dodgers impress their fans before the inevitable fall? By winning 111 games, a team record. They beat their opponents by wide margins. The Dodgers scored more runs than any team in baseball, by far. They also had the best pitching in all of baseball, also by far.
And yet it's the San Diego Padres who didn't blink in the face of the Dodgers decade of dominance. Especially the Padres bullpen whose anchoring of the series is a fitting contrast to how bad (and badly managed once again by Dave Roberts) the Dodgers bullpen was.
See last night's game coming down to the 7th inning. Nursing a 3-0 lead, Roberts burned through 3 relievers as the Padres scored 5 runs on hit after hit. As far as having the best starting pitching in baseball, it's evidently come at the cost of burning out the starters who pitched worn out against San Diego.
Anyway, downtown San Diego was party central last night:
(https://i.imgur.com/hnp6p5b.jpg)
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The Dodgers are the Packers. A great regular season team beating up on their division all season before collapsing in the playoffs most every year. Both also have very sizeable, devoted fan bases. And how did the Dodgers impress their fans before the inevitable fall? By winning 111 games, a team record. They beat their opponents by wide margins. The Dodgers scored more runs than any team in baseball, by far. They also had the best pitching in all of baseball, also by far.
And yet it's the San Diego Padres who didn't blink in the face of the Dodgers decade of dominance. Especially the Padres bullpen whose anchoring of the series is a fitting contrast to how bad (and badly managed once again by Dave Roberts) the Dodgers bullpen was.
See last night's game coming down to the 7th inning. Nursing a 3-0 lead, Roberts burned through 3 relievers as the Padres scored 5 runs on hit after hit. As far as having the best starting pitching in baseball, it's evidently come at the cost of burning out the starters who pitched worn out against San Diego.
Anyway, downtown San Diego was party central last night:
(https://i.imgur.com/hnp6p5b.jpg)
And that is exactly what I said in several past posts
The team with the better bullpen has a huge advantage in a multi game series
No better example of this then the Dodger/SD series
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Dodgers aren't built for the post season
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2001 or so, Seattle had a similar season, iirc. 115 wins, or some such and then an early exit in the playoffs.
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Dodgers aren't built for the post season
Dodgers now have a full decade of postseason underperformances. If that isn't a large enough sample size, then every college football national championship is a farce
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Cleveland Guardians have been as hot in September and October as Farrah Fawcett throughout the late 1960s and 1970s for over a month now. I don't think they will be able to keep going like that for the next 12 years, but maybe for the next two weeks.
Who are these Guardians of whom you speak?
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I'm pulling the Naps.
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Every good team beats up on its own division (if you bother to look it up). LA played .663 ball vs non-NL West teams, which is a better win% than any team's overall record.
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People who want to make this about LA doing something wrong or having some sort of character flaw are living in a place with unicorns and fairies. I'm not sure why people insist on this, but it's genuinely bizarre.
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If a team scores the most runs and allows the fewest runs, they've perfected what they set out to do. To fail to see that LA's failure to win the WS is solely due to the method in which MLB determines it's champion is to have your eyes shielded from what's plainly obvious.
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Team A finishes with the 5th-best record in its league. They finish 22 games behind the division winner. They played that division winner 19 times and only won 5. 5-14 in those games.
They are allowed into the postseason, despite falling 22 games back of their goal when the season began. They play a team they faced 6 times in the regular season, going 4-2. They beat them.
They then get a 2nd chance to play the team they went 5-14 against IN A BEST OF 5 SERIES. So while the regular season's 19 games, which was enough to show the difference in quality between the 2 teams, is now basically ignored in favor of a short series.
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LA had the 2nd-best bullpen ERA in baseball. SD's was almost exactly average. So the after-the-fact horse shit about bullpen narratives are imagined. Roberts' moves are called into question because they happened not to work.
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How all of you (the genuine ones, anyway) choose to not see all of this, I'll never know. Maybe it's decades of being force-fed horse shit narratives based on fuck-all. That's probably it, but I know EVERYONE has their own mind about these things and would never allow tired, comfortable tropes influence their opinions. Especially not this crowd!!!
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So now we'll get either the 5th or 6th-best NL team in the World Series.
Fun.
Great way to crown a champ.
Can't wait for an 11-seed to win the national championship in college football.
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poor baby
theres always next year
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It's not about the Dodgers. But again, you can't fathom that my opinion is based on validity of crowning a champ and it must be me being butthurt.
I'm now cheering for the Phillies, because MLB deserves an 87-win "champion."
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It's not about the Dodgers. But again, you can't fathom that my opinion is based on validity of crowning a champ and it must be me being butthurt.
I'm now cheering for the Phillies, because MLB deserves an 87-win "champion."
and here I thought you were just butt hurt
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Laugh it up, I don't care. This is a free preview to the future of college football. Completely mediocre "champions."
Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's funny.....the same crowd who bitches about "everyone gets a trophy" is all for rewarding mediocrity, for the sake of entertainment (over competition). It's like you can't help but be hypocritical in every aspect of life.
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I mean we had an 88 win champion last year.
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Correct. It's the new normal. That's the problem.
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So what it's not like the teams involved played the same schedules all season.Both Teams face the same obstacles.In 1954 the Cleveland Indians won 111 Games then got broomed 4-0 by the New York Giants in the Series - the one made famous by Willie Mays over the head catch at the Polo Grounds .I'm still pissed about that,oh wait I wasn't born yet but the point stands
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So what it's not like the teams involved played the same schedules all season.Both Teams face the same obstacles.In 1954 the Cleveland Indians won 111 Games then got broomed 4-0 by the New York Giants in the Series - the one made famous by Willie Mays over the head catch at the Polo Grounds .I'm still pissed about that,oh wait I wasn't born yet but the point stands
Are you joking?
1954....2 leagues that didn't play each other. No divisions. No wild-cards. Win your league, play in the World Series.
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That couldn't be more different than today's setup if you tried.
What we have now is some bastardized panic move to stay relevant with fans under 80 years old. More chances! More money! More more more!
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NY/Cleveland game postponed until tomorrow
Wednesdays game in Houston will be interesting
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Are you joking?
1954....2 leagues that didn't play each other. No divisions. No wild-cards. Win your league, play in the World Series.
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That couldn't be more different than today's setup if you tried.
What we have now is some bastardized panic move to stay relevant with fans under 80 years old. More chances! More money! More more more!
I don't disagree with you, but this is entertainment, no matter what. So if people are more entertained by this, what's the harm? It's like how every movie now is seemingly a franchise comic book or Star Wars movie, or unwatchable oscar bait. Is there anything wrong with preferring one over the other? The marvel movies make a shit ton of money, the others win awards. The dodgers are at the best team over 162 games, someone else wins the World series. This is not my ideal postseason format, but it's better than handing the team with the best record. The trophy, the second they clinch having the best record
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Are you joking?
1954....2 leagues that didn't play each other. No divisions. No wild-cards. Win your league, play in the World Series.
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That couldn't be more different than today's setup if you tried.
What we have now is some bastardized panic move to stay relevant with fans under 80 years old. More chances! More money! More more more!
What other rare gems have you mined for the forum's edification,today?The season should be shorter but The Padres played 3 more games than the rested Dodgers.If you're really worried about fairness how about every team actually has to stick to an annual Team Salary cap making the playing field level.Instead of marching out small market punching bags every season that can't possibly hope to compete.
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Down to 4 teams now
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If you're really worried about fairness how about every team actually has to stick to an annual Team Salary cap making the playing field level.Instead of marching out small market punching bags every season that can't possibly hope to compete.
I agree!
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What other rare gems have you mined for the forum's edification,today?The season should be shorter but The Padres played 3 more games than the rested Dodgers.If you're really worried about fairness how about every team actually has to stick to an annual Team Salary cap making the playing field level.Instead of marching out small market punching bags every season that can't possibly hope to compete.
I don't believe I've used this word once. It's not about fairness. I've used words like valid or competition vs entertainment or absurdity, but not "this isn't fair" or "lack of fairness."
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I just happen to think it's galactically stupid to have the longest regular season of any sport only to undermine it with best-of-3 and best-of-5 short series in your postseason. From a standpoint of wanting the best team to win the championship (they don't, i know) and just plain statistical validity, it's actively the worst possible idea they could have (short of 1-off games of 7 innings with baserunners already on).
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But instead of acknowledging this truth, we have the masses like longhorn suggesting things like the 111-win team choked or didn't play as hard or had a poor bullpen or their manager's decisions sucked, et al - tired, repeated, traditional, WRONG, INVENTED, LAZY tropes trotted out for decades by the mindless talking heads.
Excuse me if I grimace.
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Well OAM my team is still in the hunt so if you dont mind I intend to enjoy every second of it
I know it sucks when your team loses but its only a game
I realize you will interject your wisdom on us throughout the next few weeks and every time you do I enjoy this even more
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I'm furious that the Braves can have an excellent season spoiled by the outcome of a short series with a team they clearly can beat. It's nothing but bad luck ....
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You definitely have to feel bad for these huge market teams that can't just buy a world series, and get schooled in the playoffs by teams that draft well and make smart moves in free agency.
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I'm furious that the Braves can have an excellent season spoiled by the outcome of a short series with a team they clearly can beat. It's nothing but bad luck ....
Check out the Loser's Lounge over at Chez CinciDawg's I'm the one with the Indians Pennant and a Draft Pabst
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You guys would bother me if you ever actually negated any of my points. But alas, you are unable.
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You particularly have to feel bad for a fan of a big market team that doesn't have any ties to that city or state. Must be Hell to pick the wrong powerhouse to hitch your bandwagon to.
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Pedro Guerrero, John Shelby, Marshall, Mariano Duncan, Mickey Hatcher, Sax, Stubbs, and Scioscia behind the plate. Hershiser, Fernando, and Bob Welch pitching.
Your 1987 Dodgers starting lineup, when they sucked. Before '88 and before now.
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Nearly everything you post is wrong. Hahaha
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So the big market team from another city and state that you latched onto had a bad year back in the 80s, yet you memorized all their baseball cards anyway?
What exactly is this supposed to refute?
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So the big market team from another city and state that you latched onto had a bad year back in the 80s, yet you memorized all their baseball cards anyway?
What exactly is this supposed to refute?
Sigh.
You're REALLY smart.
Which team should I have been rooting for in the mid-late 80s while living in Florida? I'll hang up and listen. This is gonna be good.
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With the benifit of hindsight, you probably should have latched onto the Yankees, or the Red Sox. They don't choke nearly as often in the Playoffs.
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They would never do it, but I actually think they should expand the playoffs to 8 teams per league...but the entire series is played in the higher seeded teams park, and, the lower seeded team always has to win 4, but the #1 seed has to win 1, #2 has to win 2, #3 has to win 3, and the 4-5 is a true best of 7.
It keeps more teams interested longer, but much like my take with the 12 team, 10 automatic bid NCAA football tournament, those lower seeds will advance so irregularly, that it won't actually matter that they aren't any good. If the White Sox and Giants can go into Houston or LA and beat them 4 straight times in their building, good on them, I guess. They won't, but the hope that they could, would still make the races for those bottom seeds engaging. Just like how bottom seeds basically never advance in the NBA playoffs
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With the benifit of hindsight, you probably should have latched onto the Yankees, or the Red Sox. They don't choke nearly as often in the Playoffs.
Your example of postseason success is the Red Sox? They didn't win for a century. And the Yankees and dodgers have won the same amount of championships in the past two decades
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Your example of postseason success is the Red Sox? They didn't win for a century. And the Yankees and dodgers have won the same amount of championships in the past two decades
Fro said that while growing up in Florida he couldn't find a closer team to root for than the LA Dodgers, and this is the statement that you take issue with?
Since 1987 is the timeline that Fro established though, so that was the one that I was going with.
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Fro said that while growing up in Florida he couldn't find a closer team to root for than the LA Dodgers, and this is the statement that you take issue with?
Since 1987 is the timeline that Fro established though, so that was the one that I was going with.
You're literally just a fucking idiot.
That idiocy, combined with your odd need to try to poke at me, makes you look like an utter tool.
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Back then, the "cool" team was the NY Mets. They had Doc Gooden and Darryl Strawberry and were the big, bad team, including in 1988. The Dodgers were on TV a lot, because the ATLANTA Braves were in the NL West. And for baseball coverage, it was the Cubs and Braves vs whoever they played a lot.
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I'm now bored with explaining everything out to the 10th degree for you now.
You're so bad at this.
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Man, you are fun to troll.
Dude, at least try to shake the hook.
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I never thought I would live long enough to the Yankees getting screwed by a home plate umpire in a playoff game.
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Nobody cares
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Ok then
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I never thought I would live long enough to the Yankees getting screwed by a home plate umpire in a playoff game.
we only hire the best
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Is it me or does Rizzo have an oddly small first base glove? If so, I'm on board. I always hated first base gloves. I always played down a quarter inch, because I trusted my hand, and treated my glove like nothing more than an extension of my hand
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I still have my 1st baseman's mitt from when I was 12. Almost replaced it about 5 years ago, but couldn't part with it and got it re-laced.
There's a Rawlings store here, which is awesome. They have monstrous 1st base mitts that look like jai-alai things. Some are up to $400.00.
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Hot take that Ryan Presley didn't want to face Aaron Judge, when the #8 hitter was up. I don't care who the Yankees #2 hitter is, I'm assuming, with a 2 run lead, the pitcher didn't want to let the next 3 batter's reach. Jesus
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Hot take that Ryan Presley didn't want to face Aaron Judge, when the #8 hitter was up. I don't care who the Yankees #2 hitter is, I'm assuming, with a 2 run lead, the pitcher didn't want to let the next 3 batter's reach. Jesus
The Astros are fortunate Im not their manager cause if I was every time Judge comes up with a runner on he gets walked
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The Astros are fortunate Im not their manager cause if I was every time Judge comes up with a runner on he gets walked
Considering who he has around him, I don't get why anyone was pitching to him
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As for the Astros, Altuve is the king of the old guard, and Alvarez is the young hotness. Feels like Bregman is lost in the middle, and might be the most underappreciated hitter in the majors. He was below Altuve, Correa and Springer before, and he's still around, but isn't Alvarez
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As for the Astros, Altuve is the king of the old guard, and Alvarez is the young hotness. Feels like Bregman is lost in the middle, and might be the most underappreciated hitter in the majors. He was below Altuve, Correa and Springer before, and he's still around, but isn't Alvarez
Tucker gets my vote for most unappreciated
Its hard to pitch around Alvarez cause next come Bregman and then Tucker
Altuve has been a disappointment as of late as he has no hits in his 19 times at the plate in the post season
He needs to pick it up or we are in a world of hurt
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He must just not want it enough...
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He must just not want it enough...
I think he wants it but just cant find his swing
Im sure the hitting coach is trying to help him but so far no success
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I don’t hardly follow baseball at all. I may watch a little now that the Astros are in the post season.
I don’t understand OAM’s rant on the Dodgers losing in the first round. Who gives a shit what their regular season record is? In my book they’d be just as likely to lose to whatever team they faced in the post season.
My understanding is that you take the best 4 teams of each league, and from there you end up with each Division champion for the WS. I confess I don’t really know how the wild card games work.
Basically I’m reading his argument that the Dodgers should be in the WS because they had the best record? Newsflash: they had 5 games to win 3.
If the Dodgers were the better team “ on those days” they would have won. End of story.
As an aside I think ole miss was the last team in the College Baseball playoff last season and ended up winning the whole damn thing.
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A playoff with this many teams produces a "playoff champion". It's not going to provide for a championship by the "best team" in most years. We all know this, and live with it.
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A playoff with this many teams produces a "playoff champion". It's not going to provide for a championship by the "best team" in most years. We all know this, and live with it.
from another fan whose team lost in the playoffs
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A playoff with this many teams produces a "playoff champion". It's not going to provide for a championship by the "best team" in most years. We all know this, and live with it.
I’m sorry, but I just don’t understand. Aren’t all champions “playoff champions”?
If two teams play each other, multiple games in the post season, wouldn’t the winner of the series be the best team?
just because your team doesn’t make it past the first round doesn’t seem like a legitimate reason to not like the format. There are plenty of examples of NFL teams that finish with great records and lose their first playoff game, often to a team they beat soundly in the regular season.
Again, I’m not much of a baseball fan, but as an outsider I just don’t understand the problem nor argument about the playoff. I guess maybe it would help to know the history and how things were done in the past.
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The Astros are fortunate Im not their manager cause if I was every time Judge comes up with a runner on he gets walked
Hell if you're giving him a free bag hit him.That's what they did in the old daze
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Not all champions are determined via a playoff of course. The vast majority today are. And the regular season result usually is used to seeding amd byes.
I'm fine with smaller playoffs, how baseball does it is fine with me. I thought the Braves would beat Philly and lose to LA, so it's hardly a big deal with my expectations (I do troll a bit at times).
I recall many years back the Dawgs in basketball were their usual woeful selves and somehow won the SEC Championship series, they won more conference games in the playoff than in the regular season. (That was the tornado year also.) It was exciting for the fans, the top SEC teams still made the NCAA Tournament, as did the Dawgs (quickly eliminated). Playoffs are very popular and generate a lot of money, so they are simply the way things are done, it's not going to change, whining about such things is pointless.
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Not all champions are determined via a playoff of course. The vast majority today are. And the regular season result usually is used to seeding amd byes.
I'm fine with smaller playoffs, how baseball does it is fine with me. I thought the Braves would beat Philly and lose to LA, so it's hardly a big deal with my expectations (I do troll a bit at times).
I recall many years back the Dawgs in basketball were their usual woeful selves and somehow won the SEC Championship series, they won more conference games in the playoff than in the regular season. (That was the tornado year also.) It was exciting for the fans, the top SEC teams still made the NCAA Tournament, as did the Dawgs (quickly eliminated). Playoffs are very popular and generate a lot of money, so they are simply the way things are done, it's not going to change, whining about such things is pointless.
seems to me the current playoff system needs to lose 2 wildcard teams per league but other then that its the fairest way of determining a champion
and just because it generates money does not make it a bad system
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Whether it's good or bad is just one's opinion. I just go with the flow. I expect CFB is going to expand fairly soonish, the money angle is too rich. Were it up to me, and it isn't, I'd stop at six.
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Re: maybe nothing since everyone is yelling at each other. They will never get rid of teams. They need to make the first round Bo5 and the rest Bo7. I don’t remember who said it on some podcast (so it might be a joeschmo and not someone with the mathematical background to make the following statement) but luck tends to even itself out in Bo7 so the better team typically will win. :shrug: Go Phils, you shouldn’t be ins!
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Meh, I just follow along, it's out of my control. I enjoy watching baseball, so I do. I'll enjoy CFB still after they mangle the playoffs.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with crowing a playoff champion, or calling it the "World Series" either.
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not inherently wrong
just wrong
adding the wildcards is just a money grab
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Sure, money and "interest". If your team has a WC shot, you're more interested.
CFB avoided this, largely, for it's history, I think that's about to change.
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I don’t hardly follow baseball at all. I may watch a little now that the Astros are in the post season.
I don’t understand OAM’s rant on the Dodgers losing in the first round. Who gives a shit what their regular season record is? In my book they’d be just as likely to lose to whatever team they faced in the post season.
My understanding is that you take the best 4 teams of each league, and from there you end up with each Division champion for the WS. I confess I don’t really know how the wild card games work.
Basically I’m reading his argument that the Dodgers should be in the WS because they had the best record? Newsflash: they had 5 games to win 3.
If the Dodgers were the better team “ on those days” they would have won. End of story.
As an aside I think ole miss was the last team in the College Baseball playoff last season and ended up winning the whole damn thing.
Your reading comprehension needs work.
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He expressed his opinion on the matter. I don't see that he misread anything, but perhaps others have.
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Sure, money and "interest". If your team has a WC shot, you're more interested.
CFB avoided this, largely, for it's history, I think that's about to change.
"interest" = $$$
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Interest in large part means attendance = $$$, but I think it's a bit more than just money.
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It's not about my Dodgers losing. Call it Team A, I don't care.
MLB is incentivizing teams to NOT win as many games as possible. For all the intelligence in LA's front office (or NYY's, or HOU's, etc), they're actually doing it wrong. Any win above 90 is superfluous. It's idiotic to pay for a roster that wins 111 games, with this postseason format.
If you're going to have best-of-3 and best-of-5 series in your postseason, why bother with 162 games to find out the seedings????
Waste of time.
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well, during the 162 games, teams that win 111 are popular with fans = interest = $$$
so, not a waste of time according to the financial accountants & owners
then, there's this whole "other" season - post season or playoffs (pic your term)
teams that win more than others in this post season also gain the interest of fans = $$$
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There also is the seeding advantage of having a great regular season.
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how'd that work for the Dodgers?
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It doesn't always work obviously, but it is an advantage. I'd rather be positioned with a one seed than be a wild card.
It helps a lot to win your division over being a WC also, fewer chances to lose.
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It's not about my Dodgers losing. Call it Team A, I don't care.
MLB is incentivizing teams to NOT win as many games as possible. For all the intelligence in LA's front office (or NYY's, or HOU's, etc), they're actually doing it wrong. Any win above 90 is superfluous. It's idiotic to pay for a roster that wins 111 games, with this postseason format.
If you're going to have best-of-3 and best-of-5 series in your postseason, why bother with 162 games to find out the seedings????
Waste of time.
Home field advantage matters even in a smaller game series
Astros won 106 games and because of that we only have to play in NY 3 times
you need more then HFA however and one of which is a very strong bullpen
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obviously, the post season is set up to advantage the teams with the most reg season wins
this is usually the best way to garner the most interest (equals $$$)
some like and enjoy underdogs, but a larger number are from larger markets that have an advantage during the reg season (larger payroll)
this is setup to give the Dodgers the better opportunity in the reg season and therefore the post season
the Dodgers just can't close the deal
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The Braves were similar in the 90s
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the Braves should be better now
larger market - more interest - more $$$
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Yeah, they seem able to spend a good bit. We'll see if they can resign Swanson. What impresses me more is how they get young players up who do well right away.
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Born #otd October 20, 1931, future Hall of Fame outfielder Mickey Mantle is born in Spavinaw, Oklahoma. Mantle is named after another Hall of Famer-Philadelphia A’s catcher Mickey Cochrane. The greatest switch-hitter in history, Mickey Mantle combined power and speed unlike any other man before him in baseball history. He followed Joe DiMaggio in the procession of Yankee center fielders and heroes. He overcame injuries to play more than 2,000 games and hit 536 home runs. He played in twelve World Series, won three Most Valuable Player awards, and captured the Triple crown in 1956.
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Is this the hotties thread?
(https://i.imgur.com/8sl3sfr.png)
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Is this the hotties thread?
(https://i.imgur.com/8sl3sfr.png)
Stop It !!!
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looks like softball to me
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Nothing's soft when looking at that.
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oh, there's a couple soft spots, just need to probe around a little
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Take it to the Badgers vball reddit page.
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great tip
Some pics?
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looks like softball to me
Might to to speak to your physician
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I was referring to their looks, not mine
I try not to look down at my age
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Take it to the Badgers vball reddit page.
Next thing they'll be talkin' sliders/knuckle balls but not the pitches
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Might try to speak to your physician
can't FF doesn't belong to his country club
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obviously, the Houston Astros are built for the post season
they might be cheating, but...............
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https://twitter.com/nut_history/status/1575984966457909248?s=20&t=fj8b0y9_aqhllUwWTG21Jg
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doing our part fighting inflation
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Lets go Phighting Phils!!
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I'm dying for the team that finished 3rd in their own division to win the WS. Their most productive hitter batted .218 with 200 Ks and their ace had a sub-.500 record.
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Please let that team be the "champions."
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I'm dying for the team that finished 3rd in their own division to win the WS. Their most productive hitter batted .218 with 200 Ks and their ace had a sub-.500 record.
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Please let that team be the "champions."
better then the LA Folders
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I'm dying for the team that finished 3rd in their own division to win the WS. Their most productive hitter batted .218 with 200 Ks and their ace had a sub-.500 record.
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Please let that team be the "champions."
I mean if they win, why not?
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Rematch of '80 NLCS.
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Nice of MLB to have some games Tuesday at noon, and pennants getting won after midnight on a Monday morning
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Nice of MLB to have some games Tuesday at noon, and pennants getting won after midnight on a Monday morning
I hadnt noticed
life is good
it would have been better to not being on TBS however as not everybody streams that network
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Fox and Tbs production has been exceptional this postseason. I wish espn and others would take note for cfb.
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I mean if they win, why not?
Because it would be stupid.
Let's just fast-forward to the regular season being solely exhibitions and then all 30 teams play a tournament to crown the champions. Make it best-of-1 for each series and have every third batter hit blind-folded.
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1-0 Phils! Came back from down 5-0, JT homer in the top of the 10th, wild bottom of the 10th. Don’t care about the haters, the ride is fun.
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Yep. Great game by the Phillies. And now Verlander is 0-7 in WS games.
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Let's go Phillies!
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Yep. Great game by the Phillies. And now Verlander is 0-7 in WS games.
actually he did not get the loss on this one but little consolation
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Justin Verlander has a reputation as a big-game pitcher in the postseason -- mostly based on two dominant performances against the Yankees in the 2017 ALCS. His World Series history, however, is another matter: He entered this game 0-6 with a 5.68 ERA in seven career starts. That's the third-worst ERA among pitchers who have started at least five World Series games. Early on, however, he's cruising: Nine up and nine down through three innings with four strikeouts, including a three-pitch strikeout of Bryce Harper when he got Harper to swing and miss at three straight fastballs at the top of the zone.
and then................. gave up 5 runs to stay right at his average
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Justin Verlander has a reputation as a big-game pitcher in the postseason -- mostly based on two dominant performances against the Yankees in the 2017 ALCS. His World Series history, however, is another matter: He entered this game 0-6 with a 5.68 ERA in seven career starts. That's the third-worst ERA among pitchers who have started at least five World Series games. Early on, however, he's cruising: Nine up and nine down through three innings with four strikeouts, including a three-pitch strikeout of Bryce Harper when he got Harper to swing and miss at three straight fastballs at the top of the zone.
and then................. gave up 5 runs to stay right at his average
He had a couple ALDS performances against Oakland too. I think he had a Game 5 complete game shutout in Oakland one year
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Justin Verlander has a reputation as a big-game pitcher in the postseason -- mostly based on two dominant performances against the Yankees in the 2017 ALCS. His World Series history, however, is another matter: He entered this game 0-6 with a 5.68 ERA in seven career starts. That's the third-worst ERA among pitchers who have started at least five World Series games. Early on, however, he's cruising: Nine up and nine down through three innings with four strikeouts, including a three-pitch strikeout of Bryce Harper when he got Harper to swing and miss at three straight fastballs at the top of the zone.
and then................. gave up 5 runs to stay right at his average
Another small sample size outcome.
Of any collection of pitchers, someone has to be 3rd-worst in ERA, why not him?
Kershaw's postseason issues are a known thing. Does it mean either isn't all-time great? Does it mean you'd choose Livan Hernandez for a World Series game 7 over Verlander?
I hope that was a rhetorical question......
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People tend to go with their initial reactions to things too long. Remember when Bob Stoops was known as Big-Game Bob? That didn't help him against LSU or USC or Florida in BCSNCGs. You get a reputation, live on it longer than you should, until people catch up and change their opinion.
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I'd go with Verlander as soon as he's available
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Less good game 2… but I’ll take the split with our ace starters showing huge nerves.
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Phillies hammered the Astros in game 3. Home run city. Don’t know what was going on with McCullers.
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Phillies hammered the Astros in game 3. Home run city. Don’t know what was going on with McCullers.
They sure beat the hell out of us
hope we can win at least 1 of the next 2
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Phillies hammered the Astros in game 3. Home run city. Don’t know what was going on with McCullers.
Almost felt bad for the kid. He was just left out to dry when it was obvious the Phils were clued in on his stuff. Obviously I enjoyed the outcome. Two more to go!
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Almost felt bad for the kid. He was just left out to dry when it was obvious the Phils were clued in on his stuff. Obviously I enjoyed the outcome. Two more to go!
Yeah, Dusty handled this like a July 27 game where your starter just has to eat some innings. Made zero sense
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plenty of scouts in the basement offering pitch tipping clips from tonight.
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What a strange dichotomy between the two games. Six outs away from being no hit.
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no-hit complete, mentally exhausting.. Bo7 now a Bo3
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What a strange dichotomy between the two games. Six outs away from being no hit.
Hate that they took him out. It was 5-0
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Philly in command now, Verlander on the bump for 5!
Bummer it had to be combined but, this is 2022 not 1922. Lots of alternating haymakers landing in this series, despite only one tight game.
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Philly in command now, Verlander on the bump for 5!
yep Astros dont have a chance
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I won't say that this is what happens when you have an 87-win team in the WS.
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I won't say that this is what happens when you have an 87-win team in the WS.
Yes we know your view
This is what happens when the lifeless LA Dodgers once again fold in post season
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You keep doing that, but it's not about the Dodgers. It was about the Giants the year before that. It's about a postseason that has evolved to become less valid and more stupid.
You would never, in a million years, design the MLB postseason this way from scratch.
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You keep doing that, but it's not about the Dodgers. It was about the Giants the year before that. It's about a postseason that has evolved to become less valid and more stupid.
You would never, in a million years, design the MLB postseason this way from scratch.
other then the fact that the number of wild card teams should be reduced what suggestion do you have for improving the playoffs
I ask this not really expecting any meaningful dialog but miracles do happen
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What made the World Series meaningful and valid (as with the Super Bowl, initially) was that the champion of one league that only played against each other faced the champion of another league.
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Considering today, there's 30 teams, I'd have to add 2 teams to get to 32. Then, ideally, have 2 divisions in each league of 8 teams. I'd prefer teams only play against their division foes. Division champs play each other in a best-of-9 LCS, then the WS.
If people wanted each team to play maybe a home-and-home series against the teams in the other division of their own league, fine, but limit it at that.
No interleague play.
No wildcards.
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Use the regular season to yield the best teams. Let them play.
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I don't disagree that this is a horrible way of determining the champion, but also nobody (apparently except me) watches regular season MLB anymore. Postseason MLB is amazing. We aren't solving world hunger here. If the "best" team doesn't win, who cares? Regular season MLB viewership is mostly about following your local team. Good national games still do terrible ratings. Fans are still going to watch their local teams, no matter what, and ignore national broadcasts, no matter what. So I'm kind of good, from an entertainment standpoint, which is all this is, in maximizing these high leverage games, with maximum fan involvement, among good teams.
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What made the World Series meaningful and valid (as with the Super Bowl, initially) was that the champion of one league that only played against each other faced the champion of another league.
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Considering today, there's 30 teams, I'd have to add 2 teams to get to 32. Then, ideally, have 2 divisions in each league of 8 teams. I'd prefer teams only play against their division foes. Division champs play each other in a best-of-9 LCS, then the WS.
If people wanted each team to play maybe a home-and-home series against the teams in the other division of their own league, fine, but limit it at that.
No interleague play.
No wildcards.
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Use the regular season to yield the best teams. Let them play.
so there would only be 4 teams in the post season
I dont hate the idea but both the owners and the players would never go along with this
Id like to reduce the WC teams to only 1 in each league which would be a compromise
Id also like the play to only be in that teams league with some kind of a round robin arrangement
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Plug here for 'Crazy '08' which is one of my favorite sports books of all-time, chronicles the NL season (and Americana) of 1908. One of the best reads for celebrating the two league, no playoffs, season ends, boom World Series begins. The season was truly remarkable, and in truth the '08 WS ended in a wet fart of a series. Lowest attended, dreadful weather (Cubs over Tigers in 5, book doesn't waste too much ink on it, the fun was the season itself.
ELA makes great points above, the Cliffs' notes sports fan wants the high leverage action, and not only that, they want it conveniently packaged in a specific way (in a familiar succession of multiple series format). I can't deny it, this is the only way I consume college hoops, NHL, and even a rare look at NBA or NFL.
Love these Phily unis tonight, though wish they were the late 70s pullover seams, the buttons don't belong. One of the five best looks all-time IMO (A's green and yellow, Giants' Orange tops, Brewers' road with powder blues with blue/yellow cap, and of course the NY Giants navies which said 'World Champions' across the front)
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I still think the best format to preserve regular season integrity with higher stakes postseason is to increase access, but make it difficult.
That's why I would rather expand to 16, but make it that all series are played at the higher seeded team exclusively, and that the lower seed always has to win 4, but the higher seeded team has to win the number of their seed. So the 1 seed has to win 1 of 5 at home, the 2 seed has to win twice, and the 3 seed has to win three times, while the 4-5 is a true best of 7. That 8 seed will never win, and if they do, by winning 4 straight road games at the 1 seed, you tip your cap. But hope springs eternal, and you can't tell me fan bases wouldn't care about getting those 8 seeds.
That's also my ideal mentality for an expanded CFP, but that's a different thread.
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How far out will we have to get before any neutral fans will root for the Astros? I actually think this may have to run its course, and then they get bad again, and then their next core is the first team that neutral fans root for
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I'm for whatever postseason format results in the Phillies wearing these uniforms
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I'm for whatever postseason format results in the Phillies wearing these uniforms
Thursday games In Philadelphia
Also.. best game in the series for neutral fans I think.. but a near devastating loss for the Phils. Hopefully Wheeler regains his velocity and Suarez continues his dominance.
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Justin got a win amazing
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Justin got a win amazing
He may salvage his career yet
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How far out will we have to get before any neutral fans will root for the Astros?
Screw the Astros. They stole a WS title....sort of like Ryan Braun stole an MVP.
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How far out will we have to get before any neutral fans will root for the Astros? I actually think this may have to run its course, and then they get bad again, and then their next core is the first team that neutral fans root for
I hope never
the Astros play with a chip on their shoulder and I firmly believe it helps them
keep it up
BTW there are only 5 players on the Astros that were also on the 2017 team
but dont let that stop you guys boo away
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The better team is on the verge of winning. The Phils have gotten no breaks this series really (Sosa’s early fly out that’s a 3-run hr if it’s slightly to the left sticks out). Hats off to the Astros.
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I hope never
the Astros play with a chip on their shoulder and I firmly believe it helps them
keep it up
BTW there are only 5 players on the Astros that were also on the 2017 team
but dont let that stop you guys boo away
Being angry that people are mad that you cheated is certainly the most manufactured disrespect I've heard of
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Almost no discussion about Saban going for two after last TD.
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Almost no discussion about Saban going for two after last TD.
Not sure Rob Manfred was aware
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Almost no discussion about Saban going for two after last TD.
Would be a weird place for it.
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Being angry that people are mad that you cheated is certainly the most manufactured disrespect I've heard of
But see that just the point
Todays team for the large part had no part in 2017
The media and some sour grapes fans just enjoy dredging it up
but as I said I hope they keep doing it cause it sparks a deep desire to win
go Astros
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Because laundry?
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I do think it’s slightly better seeing my team lose than having to hope the Braves/Mets lose. (In the bargaining phase).
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the better team won
the MLB playoffs worked!
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the better team won
the MLB playoffs worked!
My thoughts exactly
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https://twitter.com/iam_johnw/status/1589096531801837568?t=ViNHQ6d-EYcYS0k99gQnxA&s=19
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Dak the best?
NO
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I guess to can just call the Astros playoff champions.
I have very little interest in baseball but I did watch most of the WS games. Astros are very lucky to have won. Altuve did nothing in the WS. Some of the pitching staff got their stuff pushed in.
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I guess to can just call the Astros playoff champions.
I have very little interest in baseball but I did watch most of the WS games. Astros are very lucky to have won. Altuve did nothing in the WS. Some of the pitching staff got their stuff pushed in.
Astros won 11 of 13 Post season games
We had two bad games for starting pitching but otherwise kicked ass
We even threw a no hitter
We had 53 runs on 106 hits including 17 home runs
Our pitchers had a combined 2.29 era striking out 160
Altuve ended up with a 190 batting average which was fine
yep we were just lucky
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I was only speaking about the WS, not the entire post season.
You’re right, the stats tell a different story. It just seemed like the star players disappeared for long stretches. But in the end they pulled it off and Verlander finally got his W.
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Astros won 11 of 13 Post season games
We had two bad games for starting pitching but otherwise kicked ass
We even threw a no hitter
We had 53 runs on 106 hits including 17 home runs
Our pitchers had a combined 2.29 era striking out 160
Altuve ended up with a 190 batting average which was fine
yep we were just lucky
What position do you play?
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What position do you play?
box seats near 1st base
playing out my option year
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Verlander opted out of the last year of his deal with the Houston Astros, which was due to pay him $25 million in 2023. The 39-year-old righty had one of the best seasons of his career in 2022, posting a 1.75 ERA and a 0.83 WHIP and striking out 185 batters in 175 innings over 28 starts for the world-champion Astros. His strong campaign made him a finalist for the Cy Young Award, which will be announced Wednesday.
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just what the Dodgers are lacking
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I love when people refuse to discuss the actual point. The Dodgers (or whoever) have bad luck on the MLB postseason coin flip. Same as Billy Beane's A's teams or the 90s Braves.
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With a coin flip, all you can do is try to get as many flips as possible.
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the Dodgers have had as many flips as any team recently
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Verlander opted out of the last year of his deal with the Houston Astros, which was due to pay him $25 million in 2023. The 39-year-old righty had one of the best seasons of his career in 2022, posting a 1.75 ERA and a 0.83 WHIP and striking out 185 batters in 175 innings over 28 starts for the world-champion Astros. His strong campaign made him a finalist for the Cy Young Award, which will be announced Wednesday.
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just what the Dodgers are lacking
Im thinking Houston will offer a 2 year deal and an increase of his current sal from 25M to 30M but not more then that
he is 39 so H Town aint gonna sell the farm to keep him
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His career arc looks like Bonds'. But, shhhhhhh.
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I expect the Astros to resign their other free agents as none of them are being paid under market
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His career arc looks like Bonds'. But, shhhhhhh.
or Pujols?
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The 9th Husker to earn a World Series ring.
Congratulations, Jake!
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His career arc looks like Bonds'. But, shhhhhhh.
Except for now testing. Actually his career arc is all over the place. He's had multiple down turns, but when he's on, he's always been reliable. I missed where he went from a great all around pitcher to a purely elite strikeout pitcher in his late 30s
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cheaters > testers
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The Los Angeles Angels, once again in need of a starting pitcher to slot near the top of their rotation, have agreed to a three-year contract with Tyler Anderson, sources told ESPN's Jeff Passan.
The deal, valued somewhere in the neighborhood of $39 million, was struck hours before Tuesday's deadline for players to decide whether to accept the qualifying offer. Anderson was given the one-year, $19.65 million qualifying offer by the crosstown Los Angeles Dodgers but instead opted for a multiyear agreement.
The Angels will now lose their second-round pick and the Dodgers will gain a pick after the fourth round in next year's draft.
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I'd like a losses column there. Managers used to routinely leave a guy in, down 2-0, and let him go 9.
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I'm guessing, as a group, they're well over 500
you are correct that if the manager thought the game was out of reach(probably more than 2 runs) why tire the bullpen.
But, if the game truly was out of reach, the starter is gonna take the loss anyway
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Well, I won't miss Jose Abreu being in the division
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Well, I won't miss Jose Abreu being in the division
good move by the Astros
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On November 29, 1966 — A circuit court jury in Chicago, IL awards Jim Brewer $25,000 in damages stemming from his 1960 on-field fight with Billy Martin. The case went to a jury trial, which did not buy Martin’s argument that when a pitcher walks off the mound toward a batter it means that he wants to fight. Brewer was awarded $25,000 but the amount was later cut in half. Martin got the money from an acquaintance in Minneapolis and spent several years paying it off.
https://thisdayinbaseball.com/a-circuit-court-jury-in.../
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Draft lottery was kind to the Pirates, Tigers, and Twins. Not so much the Reds or As
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DeGrom signs for big bucks to toil in mediocrity.
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Ground is broken for the Houston Astrodome, January 3, 1962.
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The Mets' payroll + luxury tax = the combined payrolls of the A's, Brewers, Gurdians, Mrlins, Nats, Orioles, Pirates, Rays, Reds, Royals, and Twins.
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In a sport where the postseason is 3 coinflips.
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We're off to Orlando today for five days of conditioning before Fantasy Camp in North Port. Weather is looking good so far.
Fantasy Camp | Atlanta Braves (mlb.com) (https://www.mlb.com/braves/fans/experiences-and-merchandise/fantasy-camp)
Atlanta Braves Fantasy Camp 2022 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=812oeXyAp0E)
And yes, I've been working on conditioning for months now.
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In a sport where the postseason is 3 coinflips.
I don't view this as true at all, there is a probabilistic view of outcomes to which I adhere, but one team is often simply better than the other and will win MOST of the time. A coin flip is by definition 50-50. If UGA and TCU play 100 times, UGA would probably win 80 of them. It's not an honest coin flip.
What is the percentage chance a team wins the game based on the closing point spread? - Betting Talk (https://www.bettingtalk.com/win-probability-percentage-point-spread-nfl-nba/)
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This is one of the greatest baseball cards ever
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I don't view this as true at all, there is a probabilistic view of outcomes to which I adhere, but one team is often simply better than the other and will win MOST of the time. A coin flip is by definition 50-50. If UGA and TCU play 100 times, UGA would probably win 80 of them. It's not an honest coin flip.
What is the percentage chance a team wins the game based on the closing point spread? - Betting Talk (https://www.bettingtalk.com/win-probability-percentage-point-spread-nfl-nba/)
You're citing a single football game for a post about small-sample baseball games.
Baseball is unique in that the best team doens't win 80-90% of the time, only 65%. The worse teams don't win 10-20% (like in football), they win around 30-35%.
The larger point was taking that sport and having a postseason of a best-of-5 and best-of-7 postseason series. Mathematically speaking, having such a low sample in the LDS, LCS, and WS is a virtual coin flip. MLB takes 6 months and 162 games to determine the best teams, and then undercuts itself by making the postseason an exercise in random chance.
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WE NEVER NEEDED A DAMN SHIFT CHANGE WE NEEDED PLAYERS TO LEARN HOW TO BUNT!!!!!
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Liam Hendricks, of the Chicago White Sox, two-time winner of the AL Reliever of the Year Award, announced he is starting treatment for non-Hodgkins lymphoma.
There is uncertainty when he can resume his playing career.
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https://twitter.com/BSmile/status/1598348164519665664?s=20&t=RBf7ltEaFmCwVAq2WmThug
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https://twitter.com/BSmile/status/1598348164519665664?s=20&t=RBf7ltEaFmCwVAq2WmThug
Ron Santo said of Perry, “The last time I faced him, every pitch Perry threw to me was a spitter.” Santo’s teammate Randy Hundley, who had been Perry’s catcher on the Giants, denied that every pitch was a spitball. “Only 90% of Perry’s pitches are spitters,” he said. In 22 seasons, Perry went 314-265 with a 3.11 ERA. He struck out 3,534.
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Okay, MLB's financials are broken.
Joey Gallo just signed a 1-yr, $11 million deal......he hit .160 last year.
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https://youtu.be/a6tV9EE6APw
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Okay, MLB's financials are broken.
Joey Gallo just signed a 1-yr, $11 million deal......he hit .160 last year.
That's pretty cheap, considering what his power numbers were, and assuming he has somewhat of a bounceback
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https://youtu.be/A67kiNdb-EU
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That's pretty cheap, considering what his power numbers were, and assuming he has somewhat of a bounceback
I predict he will not bounce back and his team should have donated that money.
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The Los Angeles Angels acquired Rod Carew from the Twins #OTD in 1979. That season, he hit .318 and led the Angels to their first postseason appearance.
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One Ted Williams feat that very few people know about:
On Sept 17th. 1939 he hit a homerun off a pitcher named Thornton "Thorny" Lee.
On September 2 1960, He hit his 517th homerun off a pitcher named Don Lee... Thornton Lee's son.
No other player in MLB history has recorded homers off a father and a son.
Ted Williams was quoted as saying "Yep. I remember hitting one off his old man Thorny. Same pitch too!"
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I just spent $200 on 5 Cubs spring training tickets on St. Patty's day.
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Spring Training is officially for the wealthy now, it's not just the Giants and their Scottsdale "old money" fans (although they're still the most egregious culprits).
$40+ for berm tickets in 4-6 parks now. Fucking stupid.
Dodgers @ Giants, in a game that doesn't count, where the stars play 4 innings? $57 for a berm ticket.
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I wouldn't pay it.
I'm thinking about attending the Husker's baseball game in Fowler Park vs San Diego Sunday afternoon.
$5 plus tax - behind home plate
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I think for a minute the secondary market pushed ticket prices towards a true supply/demand price. But now venues are snatching those up, to hold.proces up, and it's all kinds of jacked up.
I paid $90 for two upper bowl Pitt basketball tickets. Pitt is good again this year, but the lower bowl was (generously) 75% full. The lower bowl tickets I found were pushing $80 a piece. I have sold tickets on StubHub, there's no way their algorithm was holding unsold tickets that high
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I wouldn't pay it.
I'm thinking about attending the Husker's baseball game in Fowler Park vs San Diego Sunday afternoon.
$5 plus tax - behind home plate
Yeah, college baseball is a bargain....until it's not. Spring Training was a bargain about 12 years ago.
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hopefully, Husker baseball can hold out 12 more seasons
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Spring Training has gotten pricey, and I agree OAM its not just Scottsdale (Giants) and the Cubs. I stopped going to those two a long time ago, unless it's Fall League. Salt River and Peoria have gotten up there as well. I bet Maryvale is still the bargain in the Cactus League, perhaps maybe also A's in old Cubs park in HoHoCam.
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I can get an Opening Day ticket in SF for cheaper than the cheapest ticket to the LAD-SF Spring Training game.
It's all backwards.
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Maryvale is the cheap ticket, but there's a reason they avoid night games there.
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While I'll miss Cactus League formally, I will be in the area for my kid's spring break. Stoopid spring break around here is late! Today I bought Opening Day tickets for LAD at AZ. Finally, after many many (15+) visits to the area, I will set foot into downtown Phoenix.
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Any interest in the world baseball classic? I don't particularly care how the US does, like a World Cup, or the Olympics, but it is baseball, where teams are trying to win, so I will probably watch it.
Looking at the various rosters, the fielders look at least close to the best rosters countries could send out, but the pitching staffs, do not, which makes sense
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There's games here in Phoenix, so I'll probably go (unless tickets are stupid expensive).
I've attended it in the past.
I care far more for the Dodgers than Team USA.
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that's your flaw
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Eh, it's on the list.
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I love those stories - a guy shows up a pitcher and after 7 years and changing teams twice, the next time they face each other: bean ball.
It's stupid, but it's awesome.
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Soooo Gavin Lux is out for the year with a torn ACL for the Dodgers. We don't have the depth for that kind of thing anymore.
LA will finish 2nd in the West to the Padres this year.
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USA puts up a 9 spot in the first inning on Canada. Enjoying the classic Hulk Hogan entrance song.
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Gotta get some run diff after Mexico spanked us.
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Gotta get some run diff after Mexico spanked us.
I think with GBR upsetting Colombia, we are back to controlling our own destiny. What would be nice is to mercy rule them, considering all of the pitch count restrictions in this tournament
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This is an UGA vs TCU situatiion.
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fortunately its a pool game with little hype.
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Angel Hernandez ruins baseball wherever he goes
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If you’re into things China sucks at…
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If you’re into things China sucks at…
Turns out you can't just steal baseball players developed in the US, so they are out of ideas
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China:
1-8 vs Japan
5-8 vs Czech
2-12 vs Australia
2-22 vs Korea
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Totals: outscored 50-10
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Worse than that, they (I assume) refused to be in the same pool as Taiwan (ie - Chinese Taipei). It's a little bitch move for both China (knowing they'd be curb-stomped) and by MLB (for catering to China for future $$$).
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20 teams is probably too many. The soccer World Cup I believe only went from 16 to 24 in the early 90s, and then to 32 in maybe 2002? And that's in a format where literally every country except a handful competes in qualifiers. If the finals was more consolidated, I would say whatever, but because it's still regionalized up until the semi-finals, is there really any difference between being in the qualifiers and being in the actual tournament? Given the nature of baseball, I'd rather make qualification a bigger deal, and get it down to eight, and then go to a CWS format as the finals
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In each group, there's 2-3 that have a chance and 2-3 that have absolutely no chance. I assume MLB is throwing money at those countries just to field a team.
Just long-conning the world into playing baseball.
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Edwin Diaz got injured in the postgame celebration of Puerto Rico eliminating the Dominican Republic. So guessing if it's as bad as it appears to be, this might be the end of MLB players participating, which means the end of the event.
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Watching Trout come through in a pseudo postseason environment, just makes me more mad that the Angels have robbed us of getting to see this in the postseason by wasting his career
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Watching Trout come through in a pseudo postseason environment, just makes me more mad that the Angels have robbed us of getting to see this in the postseason by wasting his career
Multiple, stupid $100+ million contracts will do that.
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What a bet, take the best player in MLB for no less than ten of the next twelve years in the 2nd largest market. How many post-seasons are you expecting?
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Steve Carlton's 304.0 innings pitched in 1980 are the last time a pitcher has recorded over 300 innings pitched in a season.
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Not 1 mention of the WBC on ESPN.com. That's just unethical, isn't it? I know, I know...$$$. But still. WTF?
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Edwin Diaz got injured in the postgame celebration of Puerto Rico eliminating the Dominican Republic. So guessing if it's as bad as it appears to be, this might be the end of MLB players participating, which means the end of the event.
He's out for 6-8 months.....but is JUST a reliever, so....
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entire game feels high leverage. Rabid crowd. Interesting (non)move by DeRosa .
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entire game feels high leverage. Rabid crowd. Interesting (non)move by DeRosa .
Doesn't help when the ump decides the top of the strike zone is the Adam's apple
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You don't like to see players get hurt, but it feels like Venezuela needed to get their trash can signals in line to let altuve know that that pitch was coming inside
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Trea Fucking Turner!!!!
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Trea Turner, let's GOOOO!
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that was mint.
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You give up a grand slam and then the next 2 batters are Betts and Trout. Yeeesh.
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And to his credit, he got them both out. Incredible.
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that was mint.
On an 0-2 count!
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Trout with a collar tonight.
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It has been way too long since the Tigers were good. I love high stakes baseball, but I really love high stakes baseball with a rooting interest
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Yup.
Man, double the hits, +3 in errors and still a close game. That's kinda crazy.
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i've always enjoyed WBC, this is about the only time you could do it, all things considered. It's pretty cool.
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This is a badass final 4. Despite the DR not being there, Japan is always legit, Mexico has been awesome, and I always view Cuba as a special baseball place.
This U.S. team is bonkers, tho.
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Ken Rosenthal with the bow tie.
People who wear a bow tie also:
put only ketchup on their hotdog
their favorite Avenger is Aqua man
refer to women as "milady"
genuinely thinks the waitress at Hooters likes him
etc.
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i've always enjoyed WBC, this is about the only time you could do it, all things considered. It's pretty cool.
I think Fox acquiring the broadcasting rights this time has made a big difference. ESPN seem to just bury it among a million other things, but Fox did a solid job of marketing. It without overselling it. And their coverage has been very good
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Ken Rosenthal with the bow tie.
People who wear a bow tie also:
put only ketchup on their hotdog
their favorite Avenger is Aqua man
refer to women as "milady"
genuinely thinks the waitress at Hooters likes him
etc.
The Athletic baseball show has a different host each day, and I believe he has one day. He knows what he is talking about, and is well connected, but it's so much easier to take him seriously in podcast form, when you don't have to watch him talk with a bow tie.
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his mother likes the tie
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Cuba with great unis as usual.
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Cuba with great unis as usual.
MLB seems to miss every time they go risky with alternate uniforms. Cuba goes bold, and nails it.
But USA for the title on Tuesday either way
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The US looks like the Braves from 9 out of 10 angles, lol
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Wow, Mexico blows. It. Really would have preferred a second crack at them tomorrow
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Helluva game
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fantastic theater. I supposed I would rather see a revenge game scenario, but it will be no less interesting to me.
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Not 1 mention of the WBC on ESPN.com. That's just unethical, isn't it? I know, I know...$$$. But still. WTF?
I believe every prior WBC was carried by ESPN, and they barely mentioned it. Now that they don't carry it, they don't mention it at all, and it's been by far the best version of it. We have always had a baseball threat on this board, I can almost guarantee we have never previously discussed the WBC
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Watching Trout come through in a pseudo postseason environment, just makes me more mad that the Angels have robbed us of getting to see this in the postseason by wasting his career
The pregame show is just throwing darts at the angels, mentioning how nice it is to see Trout and Ohtani in a high stakes game
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Trea Turner is skinny and fast as shit......AND HITS BOMBS!
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Trea Turner got paid, but this WBC power surge, probably would have earned him more money
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I mean I get it with pitchers, but Japan has Ohtani and Darvish, and apparently the best the US could drum up is a AAAA pitcher for the Diamondbacks
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Well at least we can bring in the 35 year old middle reliever out of the pen
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Love hearing some fan blowing away on some brass horn in the stands.
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The move is to show clips of Pearl Harbor on the scoreboard between innings
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The bomb siren after the Japan HR was a headscratcher, even my 14yr old questioned it, though for different reasons .
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Turner has a chance at absolute legend status here
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What an AB
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That might be the best AB of Schwarber's career
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Trout v Ohtani likely in 9th.
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Way to not even give him a chance to run
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Nasty slider. Great sequence.
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Wow, perfect pitch
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In my law school alum group text, co-worker group text, and MSU fan group text, people are talking WBC. I'd say they figured something out this year
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And that was virtually without the Dominicans.
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https://twitter.com/RyanSilapan/status/1638377819834023937?t=bLTTry2kxKE1V30B06WnmQ&s=19
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why didnt the catcher go toward the runner
if the runner backed up she would be out for running out of the base path
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The catcher LOOKED?!? FFS
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Man, I miss guys railroading the catcher. Sorry, it's the former football player in me.
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The catcher LOOKED?!? FFS
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Man, I miss guys railroading the catcher. Sorry, it's the former football player in me.
dont forget about the first base runner taking out the shortstop at second base to avoid the double play
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Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV3fNK31HD4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV3fNK31HD4)
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or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P8qMPyMWC8
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or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P8qMPyMWC8
That first one made my stomach turn a little bit. Knee injuries are tough to watch
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Bull Pen
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Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV3fNK31HD4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV3fNK31HD4)
I had a great vantage for that one, in my peanut vending days. Those were some saucy crowds for games during peak Belle.
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The A's stole the Pirates moneyball scheme to rake in huge profits (they made 60M last year) while not even caring what their attendance or w-l record is.
Pretty soon they'll just be a collection of 10-15 mid tier teams in a race to the bottom. Your only hope is having an owner who at least gives a damn (Brewers?)
Baseball's union has been so fixated on preserving the soft cap when the real issue is the lack of a salary floor.
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Watching Trouble with the Curve
good baseball movie