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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2022, 01:43:27 PM
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No more B1G West Indy sacrifices?
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I like both.
Dropping Divisional Play:
We've had a CG for eleven years, here are the match-ups and what they would have been with just the top two teams playing:
2011: 7-1 Michigan State vs 6-2 Wisconsin. No difference. With no divisions the Badgers and Wolverines would have tied for second at 6-2. Using the typical B1G tiebreaker of record against the best team(s) in the league, then the next, then the next, this would have gone to Wisconsin.
2012: 7-1 Nebraska vs 4-4 Wisconsin. Wisconsin finished third in their division but the top two were ineligible for postseason play so they got in. With no divisions the Cornhuskers would have played the 6-2 Wolverines.
2013: 8-0 Michigan State vs 8-0 Ohio State. No difference.
2014: 8-0 Ohio State vs 7-1 Wisconsin. No difference. With no divisions the Badgers and Spartans would have tied for second at 7-1. This would have gone to the Badgers.
2015: 8-0 Iowa vs 7-1 Michigan State. No difference. The Spartans and Buckeyes were tied at 7-1 but MSU beat tOSU.
2016: 8-1 Penn State vs 7-2 Wisconsin. With no divisions the Nittany Lions would have played the 8-1 Buckeyes.
2017: 9-0 Wisconsin vs 8-1 Ohio State. No difference.
2018: 8-1 Ohio State vs 8-1 Northwestern. With no divisions all three of Ohio State, Northwestern, and Michigan would have tied for the two CG spots at 8-1. The typical tiebreaker is H2H2H where Ohio State was 1-0 (beat M), Michigan was 1-1 (beat NU, lost to tOSU), and Northwestern was 0-1 (lost to M). Thus the CG would have been tOSU vs M.
2019: 9-0 Ohio State vs 7-2 Wisconsin. No difference. With no divisions all three of Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Penn State would have tied for the second CG spot at 7-2. The typical tiebreaker is H2H2H were Wisconsin was 1-0 (beat MN), Minnesota was 1-1 (beat PSU, lost to UW), and Penn State was 0-1 (lost to MN).
2020: 5-0 Ohio State vs 6-1 Northwestern. No difference. With no divisions the Wildcats and Hoosiers would have tied for the second CG spot at 6-1. They didn't play so it goes to record against the best team in the league where Northwestern wins because they were 0-0 against tOSU while IU was 0-1.
2021: 8-1 Michigan vs 7-2 Iowa. With no divisions the Wolverines would have played the 8-1 Buckeyes.
Net effect on B1G teams over the 11 years:
- +2 Ohio State: gains 2016 and 2021 appearances
- +2 Michigan: gains 2012 and 2018 appearances
- -1 Northwestern: loses 2018 appearance
- -1 Iowa: loses 2021 appearance
- -2 Wisconsin: loses 2012 and 2016 appearances
So this would have resulted in two tOSU/M rematches in 11 years (2018 and 2021). If those were one week apart, IMHO, that would be ridiculous and insanely unfair to the team that won the first game (tOSU in 2018, M in 2021). If we do this, I would probably be the only Buckeye in the world to say this, but I'd want to move THE GAME out of the final weekend for two reasons:
- Because while I'm not a big fan of rematches in any case, I REALLY don't like them close together. It is one thing to replay a game from a month or two earlier and see how the teams have grown and changed since then. To replay a game from one week earlier does nothing but to make the first game effectively irrelevant.
- Because finishing a NC season with a typically difficult and high-stakes rivalry game then a typically difficult and high-stakes CCG, then a difficult and obviously high-stakes semi-final, then a difficult and obviously high-stakes CG is insane.
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Dropping down to eight league games:
I'm all for it . . . IF the dropped ninth game is replaced with a quality opponent. In 2021 Ohio State's three cross-overs were 6-3 MN, 6-3 PU, and 1-8 Nebraska so that is two decent teams and a big name. I like those but they aren't always that good. Michigan's, for example, were 6-3 Wisconsin, 1-8 Nebraska, and 1-8 Northwestern.
I'd much rather have that game replaced by a PAC or ACC team that is at least expected to be comparable to the team in question. Ie:
- If your team is expected to be a NC contender you get an ACC/PAC team that is also expected to be very good.
- If your team is expected to be on the cusp of bowl eligibility you get an ACC/PAC team that is also expected to be middling.
- If your team is expected to be a bottom feeder you get an ACC/PAC team that is also expected to suck.
Obviously this will not always work out but overall I think it would result in some quality games that we would all enjoy.
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Hmm, so if you get rid of divisional play, it benefits the helmets at the expense of everyone else.
Sounds peachy.
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Hmm, so if you get rid of divisional play, it benefits the helmets at the expense of everyone else.
Sounds peachy.
Well, it certainly benefits the non-helmets that are stuck in a division with all of them. To get there, we now just have to better than 2 of them, rather than all 3.
Certainly does not help the West teams
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Hmm, so if you get rid of divisional play, it benefits the helmets at the expense of everyone else.
Sounds peachy.
I would think that the impact is more E/W driven than helmet/non-helmet.
In the East you have Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. Making the CG is a major longshot for the other four schools. Ohio State has obviously been on an incredible run but even ignoring the Buckeyes it isn't very common for Penn State and Michigan to be down at the same time. Since the switch to E/W:
- 8-1: in 2016 PSU went 8-1 while M went 7-2. PSU/tOSU tied for the division championship at 8-1.
- 8-1: in 2018 M went 8-1 while PSU went 6-3. M/tOSU tied for the division championship at 8-1.
- 8-1: in 2021 M went 8-1 while PSU went 4-5. M/tOSU tied for the division championship at 8-1.
- 7-2: in 2017 PSU went 7-2 while M went 5-4. tOSU won the division at 8-1.
- 7-2: in 2019 PSU went 7-2 while M went 6-3. tOSU won the division at 9-0.
- 6-2: in 2015 M went 6-2 while PSU went 4-4. MSU/tOSU tied for the division championship at 7-1.
- 4-5: in 2020 PSU went 4-5 while M went 2-4. tOSU won the division at 5-0.
- 3-5: in 2014 M went 3-5 while PSU went 2-6. tOSU won the division at 8-0.
Note that in each of those eight years the Buckeyes finished at least tied for the B1G-E Championship. Only twice did both Michigan and PSU finish sub .500 and both of those had extenuating circumstances not likely to repeat. In 2014 PSU was still recovering from the Sandusky-related sanctions and 2020 was the pandemic year.
Even if Ohio State hadn't been in the mix, either PSU or M finished with one loss three times and with two or fewer six out of the eight. That makes winning the B1G-E a VERY tall order for MSU, IU, UMD, or RU. Of the four only MSU has pulled it off and only once and going on six years ago. Also note that 7-1 is the worst record the B1G-E Champion has ever had. Four times the Division Champion was 1/2 game better at 8-1 and the other three tOSU went undefeated.
The seven teams in the B1G-W simply don't have this problem. Wisconsin has been the best team overall but they haven't been as good as Ohio State and the next two teams after them aren't remotely close to matching M/PSU.
By way of comparison, here are the top three finishers in the B1G-W each year since the switch to E/W:
- 7-1, 5-3, 5-3 for UW, MN, and UNL in 2014. MN and UNL were two games out in the B1G-W but in the B1G-E they'd have been three games out of first and two games out of second.
- 8-0, 6-2, 6-2 for IA, NU, and UW in 2015. NU and UW were actually closer in the B1G-W than they would have been in the B1G-E.
- 7-2, 6-3, 6-3 for UW, IA, and UNL in 2016. IA and UNL were a game out in the B1G-W but in the B1G-E they'd have been two games behind two teams.
- 9-0, 7-2, 4-5 for UW, NU, and PU/IA in 2017. The B1G-E had an 8-1 Champion and two 7-2 teams.
- 8-1, 5-4, 5-4 for NU, UW/PU/IA in 2018. The B1G-E had two 8-1 teams.
- 7-2, 7-2, 6-3 for UW, MN, and IA in 2019. UW/MN tied for the Championship but they'd have been two games out in the B1G-E.
- 6-1, 6-2, 3-3 for NU, IA, and UW in 2020. The B1G-E had an undefeated team and a one-loss team.
- 7-2, 6-3, 6-3 for IA, MN/UW/PU in 2021. The B1G-E had two 8-1 teams and a 7-2 team.
Purdue has a chance in the B1G-W but they'd have almost no chance in the B1G-E. Look at 2021. Purdue would have been in the B1GCG if they'd have had one more win but in the B1G-E they'd have been two games behind TWO teams so even upsetting Ohio State would only have gotten them into a three-way tie for second behind Michigan.
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:Big Ten considering eliminating divisions, Iowa AD says (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/big-ten-considering-eliminating-divisions-iowa-ad-says/ar-AATaT51?ocid=uxbndlbing)
The source for this story is Iowa A.D. Gary Barta.
Big Ten is considering an 8-game conference schedule, and considering arranging games with ACC and PAC-12.
Considerations are reportedly due to an effort to place more teams in the expanded playoff, and improve TV revenues for the 2023 new media rights contract, and not to mention that Iowa, Northwestern, and Wisconsin have proven incapable of winning a conference championship game, to date.
The article omits to mention Ohio State needs a second bite at the apple from time-to-time in their series against Michigan. \_:)_/. I do not wish to see that game played two-consecutive weeks to close the season 25% or more of the years. I am not sure I would watch the BTCG on television if that occurs.
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Can we merge this with this thread (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2022-b1g-offseason-thread/) where it is already under discussion.
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I agree, but I didn't see it before posting.
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:Big Ten considering eliminating divisions, Iowa AD says (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/big-ten-considering-eliminating-divisions-iowa-ad-says/ar-AATaT51?ocid=uxbndlbing)
The source for this story is Iowa A.D. Gary Barta.
Big Ten is considering an 8-game conference schedule, and considering arranging games with ACC and PAC-12.
Considerations are reportedly due to an effort to place more teams in the expanded playoff, and improve TV revenues for the 2023 new media rights contract, and not to mention that Iowa, Northwestern, and Wisconsin have proven incapable of winning a conference championship game, to date.
The article omits to mention Ohio State needs a second bite at the apple from time-to-time in their series against Michigan. \_:)_/. I do not wish to see that game played two-consecutive weeks to close the season 25% or more of the years. I am not sure I would watch the BTCG on television if that occurs.
To date. Here's a list of every team with more Big Ten title game winds that Wisconsin:
Ohio Stae
Here's a list of teams with as many wins as UW:
Michigan State
Incapable, huh?
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Michigan State is solid enough that they could have the stars align maybe once per decade and win the East.
Maryland could maybe get there once in 25 years if they can bring in all the right pieces at the right time.
Rutgers and Indiana have no chance. Maybe once in a hundred years tops.
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Michigan State is solid enough that they could have the stars align maybe once per decade and win the East.
Maryland could maybe get there once in 25 years if they can bring in all the right pieces at the right time.
Rutgers and Indiana have no chance. Maybe once in a hundred years tops.
A once in a 100 year pandemic almost got Indiana there last year.
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To date. Here's a list of every team with more Big Ten title game winds that Wisconsin:
Ohio Stae
Here's a list of teams with as many wins as UW:
Michigan State
Incapable, huh?
I think he was referring to the B1G-W which is 0-fer in B1GCG's. Both of Wisconsin's B1GCG's came during the old Legends/Leaders era.
I wouldn't say that Wisconsin can't now, but that Legends/Leaders happened to coincide with tOSU being briefly down (tatoos), PSU being down (Sandusky), and Michigan also being down (general malaise) so in those three years of Legends/Leaders four teams made the B1GCG:
- Wisconsin made two, 2-0 (beat MSU and UNL)
- Michigan State made two, 1-1 (beat tOSU, lost to UW)
- Nebraska made one, 0-1 (lost to UW)
- Ohio State made one, 0-1 (lost to MSU)
In the eight years since:
- Ohio State made five, 5-0 (beat UW 3x, beat NU 2x)
- Wisconsin made four, 0-4 (lost to tOSU 3x, lost to PSU)
- Iowa made two, 0-2 (lost to MSU, lost to M)
- Northwestern made two, 0-2 (lost to tOSU 2x)
- Michigan State made one, 1-0 (beat IA)
- Penn State made one, 1-0 (beat UW)
- Michigan made one, 1-0 (beat IA)
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I have to think the 42-3 shellacking Michigan doled out to Iowa this year factors into whether the Big Ten eliminates divisions; simply put, the West Division champions have not won the BTCG. Iowa needs to eliminate OC Brian Ferentz, and get a QBs coach who was an actual QB, too. I blame this discussion on Iowa football, in part.
I am not in favor of reducing conference games to eight. I am opposed to eliminating divisions. It's not much of a conference when there are 13-opponents and only eight conference games.
When you eliminate divisions, from Iowa's perspective, it eliminates a rivalry game. Iowahas three natural rivals, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and hmmm this is difficult to admit, Nebraska. The Big Ten may protect one or two rivals, but not three.
With Nebraska being Black Friday, Iowa's most geographically closest rival, the fact the Minnesota-Iowa game is Floyd of Rosedale and I believe the 2nd most played rivalry game in the Big Ten, Iowa-Wisconsin, ends up in the dust bin of rivalries, to be played three years out of five or something of that nature.
A.D. Barta probably thinks if you go to eight games it protects the Iowa State series. Iowa-Iowa State is not more important than Iowa-Wisconsin.
Currently, Iowa schedules Iowa State yearly, UNI every 3-4 years or other top FCS school, and two or three G-5 teams. The nonconference schedule is boring. Scheduling P-5 nonconference teams helps eliminate nonconference scheduling boredom, but reducing the conference schedule to 8 leaves just as many MAC or equivalents on the schedule. Why take a Big Ten team off the schedule to add a P-5 team from another conference? Keep 9-conference games and force Iowa (and others) to take a MAC or MAC-equivalent team off the schedule. If the conference is going to eliminate divisions, upgrade schedules, don't downgrade. Generally speaking, with some exceptions, the PAC-12 and ACC conference teams, are not equivalent in quality to Big Ten teams. Overall this proposal downgrades the quality of schedules for Big Ten teams.
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Jim Delany says hi. Now he can finally get his M-OSU rematch in the CCG.
Maybe.
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How about we keep the divisions as is and schedule non-conference games with the Pac12 and tell the ACC to hit the road?
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Jim Delany says hi. Now he can finally get his M-OSU rematch in the CCG.
Maybe.
I am not in favor of this- but if they do it they need to move OSU v UM to earlier in the year.
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How about we keep the divisions as is and schedule non-conference games with the Pac12 and tell the ACC to hit the road?
Done. You can be the commish now.
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Done. You can be the commish now.
Jim, you’re not the commissioner anymore. You can’t just hire the next one. (looks at the current one, thanks about walking that back)
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Yeah, that guy is a boob.
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How about we keep the divisions as is and schedule non-conference games with the Pac12 and tell the ACC to hit the road?
Because you can hardly freeze out the SEC with only the B1G and the PAC. The last thing the B1G and PAC want is for the two conferences with definitive ESPN affiliations for their networks to team up together when the B1G/PAC have some little alliance...
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When you eliminate divisions, from Iowa's perspective, it eliminates a rivalry game. Iowahas three natural rivals, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and hmmm this is difficult to admit, Nebraska. The Big Ten may protect one or two rivals, but not three.
I actually think that you can. I can't find it right now but we were toying around with this in another thread a while back and here is what I came up with:
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My method was as follows:
- The four western teams all play each other every year (UW, IA, MN, UNL)
- The four IN/IL teams all play each other every year (IU, PU, IL, NU)
- RU/UMD play each other every year
- tOSU/M play each other every year
- M/MSU play each other every year
- tOSU/PSU play each other every year
- PSU/MSU play each other every year
- PSU/UMD play each other every year
Once you do all of that you are left with:
- Rutgers needs two more rivals
- Maryland needs one more rival
- Ohio State needs one more rival
- Michigan needs one more rival
- Michigan State needs one more rival
I just assigned those willy/nilly. Rutgers' last two rivals could be the two Michigan schools instead of tOSU and MSU I don't really care.
If we do this and drop down to eight league games your annual schedule would be:
- Your three permanent rivals, and
- Five of the 10 other teams in the league.
In a four year cycle you would always play your three permanent rivals four times each and the other 10 teams in the league twice each. That isn't too bad IMHO.
I'd also go a step further and tie it to Basketball. In Basketball your annual schedule would be:
- Your three permanent rivals twice each (six games), and
- The other 10 teams in the league once each (10 games, 16 cumulative)
- Four of #2 a second time (four games, 20 cumulative).
Taking your school as an example, Iowa's BB schedule would be (by year):
- UW, MN, UNL, IU, PU, IL, NU twice each (14 games); RU, UMD, PSU, tOSU, M, MSU once each (6 games, 20 cumulative)
- UW, MN, UNL, IL, NU, RU, UMD twice each (14 games); IU, PU, PSU, tOSU, M, MSU once each (6 games, 20 cumulative)
- UW, MN, UNL, RU, UMD PSU, tOSU twice each (14 games); IU, PU, IL, NU, M, MSU once each (6 games, 20 cumulative)
- UW, MN, UNL, PSU, tOSU, M, MSU twice each (14 games); IU, PU, IL, NU, RU, UMD once each (6 games, 20 cumulative)
- UW, MN, UNL, M, MSU, IU, PU twice each (14 games); IL, NU, RU, UMD, PSU, tOSU once each (6 games, 20 cumulative)
So in a five year cycle in BB Iowa would play their three permanent rivals (UW, MN, UNL) 10 times each and the other 10 league teams seven times each. That adds up to 100 games in five years or 20 games a year.
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I am not in favor of this- but if they do it they need to move OSU v UM to earlier in the year.
I said this upthread and I was afraid that nobody would agree with me so I'm happy to see that I am not alone.
I'm not a fan of rematches but at least they aren't too bad if the games are separated by a month or two and a bunch of other games. Playing twice in two weeks would do nothing but to make game #1 completely irrelevant.
Worst-case-scenario:
Imagine a situation in which tOSU and Michigan have already clinched berths in the B1GCG BEFORE their game. The logical thing to do would be to rest your starters and not show your opponent anything in game #1 then go all out to win game #2 which is for the league title and, presumably, a CFP spot.
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Generally speaking, with some exceptions, the PAC-12 and ACC conference teams, are not equivalent in quality to Big Ten teams. Overall this proposal downgrades the quality of schedules for Big Ten teams.
Yes and no.
It depends on how the PAC/ACC teams are assigned to the B1G teams. If it is just at random then yes, it would probably be a slight overall downgrade for the average B1G team but not for all B1G teams.
If the PAC/ACC teams are assigned based on expected performance or recent performance then it wouldn't upgrade every teams' schedule but it would give each team two somewhat equivalent games. That is what I would like to see.
Suppose my school (Ohio State) is expected to be a NC contender while your school (Iowa) is expected to have some dropoff from last year and be middling in the B1G while another school is expected to struggle to attain bowl eligibility. Here is what I would do:
- Schedule tOSU to play one of the best ACC teams and one of the best PAC teams.
- Schedule Iowa to play a middling ACC team and a middling PAC team.
- Schedule the B1G bottom-feeder to play bottom feeders from the ACC and PAC.
All three get two somewhat evenly matched games.
This will obviously NOT always work out. Ohio State might end up having an off year when they were expected to be in the NC race and have two way-too-difficult games. Iowa might have a great year and have two way-too-easy games. The bottom feeder might end up middling and have two easy games. Overall, however, I think this would improve the quality of games.
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Not a good look for James Franklin.
Bryce Mostella on Twitter: "This thread will detail my last two years with PSU with an emphasis on the past few months. This is NOT a criticism of the university or any of its employees, I’m not promoting a positive or negative view of either. I’m simply stating what has happened in the past two years" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/BryceMostella/status/1487482474196344835?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1487482474196344835|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Fwisconsin%2Fboard%2F23%2FContents%2Ftweets-144988831%2F%3Fpage%3D555)
(https://i.imgur.com/hDFL0Jn.png)
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I'm not attempting to bury any individual or institution, I'm just looking for Twitter clout, and this is the only way to do so
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Yes and no.
It depends on how the PAC/ACC teams are assigned to the B1G teams. If it is just at random then yes, it would probably be a slight overall downgrade for the average B1G team but not for all B1G teams.
If the PAC/ACC teams are assigned based on expected performance or recent performance then it wouldn't upgrade every teams' schedule but it would give each team two somewhat equivalent games. That is what I would like to see.
Suppose my school (Ohio State) is expected to be a NC contender while your school (Iowa) is expected to have some dropoff from last year and be middling in the B1G while another school is expected to struggle to attain bowl eligibility. Here is what I would do:
- Schedule tOSU to play one of the best ACC teams and one of the best PAC teams.
- Schedule Iowa to play a middling ACC team and a middling PAC team.
- Schedule the B1G bottom-feeder to play bottom feeders from the ACC and PAC.
All three get two somewhat evenly matched games.
This will obviously NOT always work out. Ohio State might end up having an off year when they were expected to be in the NC race and have two way-too-difficult games. Iowa might have a great year and have two way-too-easy games. The bottom feeder might end up middling and have two easy games. Overall, however, I think this would improve the quality of games.
This is an interesting way to schedule, but if you look at it from the standpoint of Illinois, Rutgers, or Maryland, who would rotate between playing Oregon State, Duke, and Wake Forest, it adversely affects their programs. It affects their fan interest, attendance, and maybe not revenues. It continues homeostasis for the Buckeyes, and everyone else in the Big Ten. The big TV games will bring in more shared revenues, but it promotes fan disinterest at the lesser football programs.
I lived through 19-seasons of nonwinning Iowa football during the 1960s and 70s. But, during this time I enjoyed watching Iowa play home games against USC, Penn State (when it was independent), and UCLA.
I don't care a rip about watching Iowa play at home against Arkansas State, Northern Illinois and some of the other nonconference teams they schedule now. If Iowa were scheduled to play Duke, or Wake, most years I wouldn't care anymore about seeing those games than I do watching Arkansas State and Northern Illinois or directional Michigan schools.
I prefer Iowa having a chance to knock off USC at night in Iowa City maybe once in 30-years, than watching Iowa have a chance to knock off North Carolina State, or North Carolina at 11:00 a.m. every other year.
This is very much an Ohio State proposal that sustains the Buckeyes at the expense of others.
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Not a good look for James Franklin.
(https://i.imgur.com/hDFL0Jn.png)
(https://twitter.com/BryceMostella)
Too bad for this player going through these weight issues that are difficult to deal with. A lot of us have a natural weight which is apart from our ideal weight.
With the meager debt he incurred for living on campus ($3,000 is still a lot if you are not employed) and being disenrolled from school he is learning the travails of nonscholarship students, and the bureaucracy we all faced at large institutions of learning. There are hard lessons that may benefit him in the longer haul, and perhaps some hard lessons will be learned by Penn State University and its football staff.
It maybe somewhat comparable to Akrum Wadley's situation at Iowa because he was told he needed to gain weight, and this made the state's sports news enough I was aware of it. And yet while he had difficulty maintaining his ideal football weight goals set by coaching staff, Wadley received much notoriety at Iowa as a superstar Hawkeye running back.
Wadley later sued 13 football coaches and the University of Iowa for racial discrimination (the suit is not just over weight issues). Former Iowa football player still seeking closure for racism within program — The Undefeated (https://theundefeated.com/features/former-iowa-football-player-still-seeking-closure-for-racism-within-program/#:~:text=Former Iowa Hawkeyes running back Akrum Wadley is,Getty Images Akrum Wadley still feels the humiliation.)
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This is an interesting way to schedule, but if you look at it from the standpoint of Illinois, Rutgers, or Maryland, who would rotate between playing Oregon State, Duke, and Wake Forest, it adversely affects their programs. It affects their fan interest, attendance, and maybe not revenues. It continues homeostasis for the Buckeyes, and everyone else in the Big Ten. The big TV games will bring in more shared revenues, but it promotes fan disinterest at the lesser football programs.
I lived through 19-seasons of nonwinning Iowa football during the 1960s and 70s. But, during this time I enjoyed watching Iowa play home games against USC, Penn State (when it was independent), and UCLA.
I don't care a rip about watching Iowa play at home against Arkansas State, Northern Illinois and some of the other nonconference teams they schedule now. If Iowa were scheduled to play Duke, or Wake, most years I wouldn't care anymore about seeing those games than I do watching Arkansas State and Northern Illinois or directional Michigan schools.
I prefer Iowa having a chance to knock off USC at night in Iowa City maybe once in 30-years, than watching Iowa have a chance to knock off North Carolina State, or North Carolina at 11:00 a.m. every other year.
This is very much an Ohio State proposal that sustains the Buckeyes at the expense of others.
Absolutely.
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I like getting rid of divisions for 2 reasons.
I like the flexible scheduling you get from getting rid of divisions. You can set up a schedule with 3 to 5 protected rivals and play everybody else at least 50% of the time. I like the idea of Iowa playing Mich, OSU, MSU and PSU at least 50% of the time. Hopefully you could set it up for Iowa to play Mich+PSU in 1 year and OSU+MSU the other year.
Right now the Big Ten's dumb schedule from 2022-2027 is set up for Iowa to play Rutgers every year and to play Mich, MSU, Mich, OSU just 2 times in 6 years. I hate that proposed schedule.
The other thing I like is the idea that the 2 best teams go to the conference championship game regardless of division.
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https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1493398451018735623?s=20&t=ZzSNE1sbwChiaRvQMwxqvA
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I would like to see the conference break from ESecPN.
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I would like to see the conference break from ESecPN.
Yes. But FOX has to seriously upgrade their announcing talent
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Didn't they just get rid of NBCSN? Hope everyone enjoys subscribing to Peacock
https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1494309540690599940?t=rCeRCfMwcxnq8JIoCC5vrw&s=19
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Oh boy...
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This is an interesting way to schedule, but if you look at it from the standpoint of Illinois, Rutgers, or Maryland, who would rotate between playing Oregon State, Duke, and Wake Forest, it adversely affects their programs. It affects their fan interest, attendance, and maybe not revenues. It continues homeostasis for the Buckeyes, and everyone else in the Big Ten. The big TV games will bring in more shared revenues, but it promotes fan disinterest at the lesser football programs.
I lived through 19-seasons of nonwinning Iowa football during the 1960s and 70s. But, during this time I enjoyed watching Iowa play home games against USC, Penn State (when it was independent), and UCLA.
I don't care a rip about watching Iowa play at home against Arkansas State, Northern Illinois and some of the other nonconference teams they schedule now. If Iowa were scheduled to play Duke, or Wake, most years I wouldn't care anymore about seeing those games than I do watching Arkansas State and Northern Illinois or directional Michigan schools.
I prefer Iowa having a chance to knock off USC at night in Iowa City maybe once in 30-years, than watching Iowa have a chance to knock off North Carolina State, or North Carolina at 11:00 a.m. every other year.
This is very much an Ohio State proposal that sustains the Buckeyes at the expense of others.
I didn't see this until now.
Wow, that is a pretty stinging rebuke.
I see where you are coming from but I still like my idea. We (myself included) might not like it but the money comes from TV and the money is what makes this whole thing work. Lets say that tOSU and Clemson are highly ranked expected NC contenders while Iowa and Wake are unranked teams expected to be middling teams in the B1G and ACC respectively.
If you schedule tOSU at Wake and Clemson at Iowa that certainly helps Wake and Iowa sell tickets but the ratings for those games are not going to be very good because interest is regional. Wake and Iowa fans will watch of course because they'll be hoping that their team can pull off the big upset. Clemson and Ohio State fans will watch but they will not exactly see it as "must see" because they'll expect an easy win. Non-regional fans will not watch at all because they'll all expect Clemson/tOSU to win.
If you instead schedule tOSU at Clemson and Wake at Iowa the Iowa/Wake game still has limited TV viewers/ratings but the tOSU/Clemson game is a HUMONGOUS ratings draw. Not only will fans of both programs watch but the game will also draw a national audience because fans like @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) will want to see what the competition looks like and which of Clemson/tOSU gets the advantage in the CFP race.
The combination of tOSU/Clemson and Iowa/Wake massively outdraws tOSU/Wake and Clemson/Iowa and the league TV contract (that we all share) gets bigger.
I completely disagree with yours and @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) 's claim that this is an Ohio State proposal that sustains the Buckeyes at the expense of the others because we all share the TV money. This proposal maximizes TV money and that isn't just an Ohio State thing, that helps everybody.
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Seems like a moot point.
End of The Alliance? Ohio State AD says scheduling conversations essentially over among ACC, B1G and Pac-12 (saturdaytradition.com) (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/end-of-the-alliance-ohio-state-ad-says-scheduling-conversations-essentially-over-among-acc-b1g-and-pac-12/)
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Seems like a moot point.
End of The Alliance? Ohio State AD says scheduling conversations essentially over among ACC, B1G and Pac-12 (saturdaytradition.com) (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/end-of-the-alliance-ohio-state-ad-says-scheduling-conversations-essentially-over-among-acc-b1g-and-pac-12/)
The article says the Big Ten will probably stick to a 9-game conference schedule. Does that mean we keep the existing divisions?
If the conference were to tweak division alignment it could send MSU West, and send Purdue East.
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I haven't heard much more about the divisions.
Probably should move Michigan West, so they can meet OSU in the CCG every year.
Kinda like FSU and Miami in the ACC.
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Yeah, getting rid of the divisions would put the possibility of back to back OSU-Michigan games back on the table, which everyone already decided would be dumb a few years back when they realigned the divisions.
Round and round we go.
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Yeah, getting rid of the divisions would put the possibility of back to back OSU-Michigan games back on the table, which everyone already decided would be dumb a few years back when they realigned the divisions.
Round and round we go.
I'm ok with tOSU and M in opposite divisions but if that is done I think you have to move The Game off of the last weekend. I know that is absolute heresy to most tOSU and M fans and I get it but I just think that back-to-back games would be silly. With the exception of games like IU/PU I think all late-season games should be within the divisions.
No offense to @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) and the rest of the IU and PU fans here but realistically the chances of either IU or PU making the CG in a given year are remote and the chances of both making it are near nonexistent. It is a lot different when you are talking about the two teams with the best long-term records in the league. They are pretty likely to eventually meet in the CG and having that back-to-back with their regular season game is just silly.
Now if we go to a non-divisional format then it gets weird. In theory all the usual contenders should be playing teams that are typically not contenders in those last few weeks which means no more tOSU/M the last weekend.
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Agreed. Whether you either get rid of the divisions and the top 2 make the CG, or simply rebalance them such that OSU and M are cross-division games, you have to move The Game to earlier in the year.
I'd also say that the B1G scheduling committee would have to deliberately avoid certain matchups that last week as well (i.e. either of OSU/M vs PSU), but I would think they'd do that quietly and "unofficially", and nobody would notice because it's not a historically traditional schedule that they'd be hurting.
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Agreed. Whether you either get rid of the divisions and the top 2 make the CG, or simply rebalance them such that OSU and M are cross-division games, you have to move The Game to earlier in the year.
I'd also say that the B1G scheduling committee would have to deliberately avoid certain matchups that last week as well (i.e. either of OSU/M vs PSU), but I would think they'd do that quietly and "unofficially", and nobody would notice because it's not a historically traditional schedule that they'd be hurting.
Agreed. I'm thinking that the most likely CG match-ups are something like:
- tOSU vs M
- tOSU/M vs PSU/UW
- PSU vs UW
- tOSU/M vs MSU/IA/UNL
- PSU/UW vs MSU/IA/UNL
So with divisonless scheduling you would want to avoid all of those in the last few weeks.
Back-to-back games would still happen occasionally when tOSU's or M's or PSU's last week opponent had a random great year but at least it would be infrequent.
Final week opponents for tOSU/M/PSU/UW could come from among:
- Rutgers
- Maryland
- Indiana
- Purdue
- Illinois
- Northwestern
- Minnesota
Problem:
If you assume (as I do) that we want to keep instate rivals IU/PU and NU/IL on the last week that only leaves three options for the four of tOSU/M/UW/PSU. Not sure how you'd handle that.
Solution:
Put MSU/M in the final week with the other instate rivalries then add the Axe game and PSU/UMD which leaves Rutgers/tOSU.
I'd actually really like that. If I were tOSU's AD I'd look to move the annual final game vs Rutgers to Yankee Stadium and work out a big sponsorship/naming rights deal with Macy's (including annual TBDBITL participation in the parade) and potentially a BB or hockey game at The Garden (or both).
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Here is a look at the 10 non-conference games the Big Ten is playing this season that carry the most intrigue.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-most-intriguing-non-conference-games-2022 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-most-intriguing-non-conference-games-2022)
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No comment. Ma always told me if you can't say something nice... no comment.
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it's good for him that he can run fast
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Apparently FOX traded Joe Buck to ESPN for the tOSU/ND game on September 3.
https://sports.yahoo.com/espn-trades-ohio-state-football-144010880.html
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College football: Top five rivalries ranked, according to Late Kick's Josh Pate
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-Top-five-rivalries-ranked-according-to-Late-Kicks-Josh-Pate-185237095/#185237095_10 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-Top-five-rivalries-ranked-according-to-Late-Kicks-Josh-Pate-185237095/#185237095_10)
5. IOWA-MINNESOTA
The annual Big Ten clash between the Hawkeyes and Golden Gophers may not be one that regularly features national implications as others do, but the history runs deep between these schools. Iowa and Minnesota first met on the gridiron way back in November 1891, and they have since accounted for 115 meetings total. The Gophers lead the series with a 62-51-2 mark. As mentioned, trophies are an important criteria on this list, and for Pate, it's the hardware— Floyd of Rosedale — that puts this game as a top-five rivalry matchup in his books. Pate elaborated on that element below in explaining what may be a controversial selection for some.
Insert a little bit of controversy, and this one is personal preference, so deal with it," Pate said. "My No. 5 rivalry game is Iowa-Minnesota. Floyd of Rosedale is my favorite trophy in college football? Nay. My favorite trophy in sports. It's just a pig to some of you, but it's the pig to me. Even better than babe. Floyd of Rosedale, and because of Floyd of Rosedale being on the line and hangin in the balance constitutes — look at him, he's so beautiful. Floyd of Rosedale is so great. This is my No. 5 rivalry game. ... For a kid who grew up in Georgia, I think I may love Floyd of Rosedale more than any other citizen in the Peach State.
4. GEORGIA-FLORIDA
3. OKLAHOMA-TEXAS
2. ALABAMA-AUBURN
1. MICHIGAN-OHIO STATE
Ask most college football fans, and there's a good chance that The Game is the answer they'll give you when asked what the fiercest rivalry game in the land is. Michigan leads Ohio State, 59-51-6, in a series that dates back to 1897, and it has featured no shortage of thrillers with Big Ten and potential national title implications on the line over the years. Television ratings for the annual Thanksgiving weekend clash in Ann Arbor of Columbus routinely soar through the roof, fans of both teams get into it all year long and a video captured by Pate of the two teams in the tunnel of this past year's meeting — Michigan recorded its first win over Ohio State in a decade — showed everyone all they need to know about the animosity between the longtime Big Ten foes.
"The reason why I always sided with Ohio State-Michigan (over the Iron Bowl) is because I thought those are two national brands where as the Iron Bowl is a national brand (Alabama) and a more regional brand (Auburn)," Pate explained. "That's it. The Iron Bowl is plenty intense. I've been to a number of them. But I got to go to The Game for the first time last year and that was pretty intense too."
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No comment. Ma always told me if you can't say something nice... no comment.
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Why does Fleck have his pants hiked up so high? Is this a Minnesota thing?
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Looks like wominz leisure slacks of the 50s-60s
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Why does Fleck have his pants hiked up so high? Is this a Minnesota thing?
I don't think it's a Minnesota thing.
The water in his row boat might have been a little high that day??
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- [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Sam McKewon says Purdue, which hosts Nebraska on Oct. 15, has the quarterback and the defense to make it a contender (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-purdue-has-the-quarterback-and-defense-to-prove-its-a-big-ten-west-contender/article_5dc53f40-afb0-11ec-86ec-6bc816f829e3.html)* in the Big Ten West.[/color]
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This is interesting. I kinda like it too.
Only 22 of 130 NCAA FBS-level schools say they have plans to provide allowed academic bonus payments to athletes this year (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33684066/only-21-130-ncaa-fbs-level-schools-say-plans-provide-allowed-academic-bonus-payments-athletes-year)
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This is interesting. I kinda like it too.
Only 22 of 130 NCAA FBS-level schools say they have plans to provide allowed academic bonus payments to athletes this year (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33684066/only-21-130-ncaa-fbs-level-schools-say-plans-provide-allowed-academic-bonus-payments-athletes-year)
I think it should be a priority for all Big Ten schools to implement this.
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Absolutely. It fits with the conference's values.
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Oh no, the Sheavior
https://twitter.com/ArifHasanNFL/status/1515747342330339328?t=yb9-2Y6Nb25MR0QlQ-9iWA&s=19
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With the college football season quickly approaching, we are diving into the schedule and looking at the possible upsets that could come. Here is one possible trap game for every Big Ten team this season.
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Big-Ten-football-Each-teams-biggest-trap-game-in-2022-186302958/#186302958_1 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Big-Ten-football-Each-teams-biggest-trap-game-in-2022-186302958/#186302958_1)
NORTHWESTERN WILDCATS
The game: Duke, September 9
RUTGERS SCARLET KNIGHTS
The game: at Michigan State, November 11
ILLINOIS FIGHTING ILLINI
The game: at Northwestern, November 25
MINNESOTA GOLDEN GOPHERS
The game: Rutgers, October 28
MARYLAND TERRAPINS
The game: Northwestern, October 21
INDIANA HOOSIERS
The game: at Cincinnati, September 24
PURDUE BOILERMAKERS
The game: at Wisconsin, October 21
IOWA HAWKEYES
The game: at Rutgers, September 23
PENN STATE NITTANY LIONS
The game: Central Michigan, September 23
WISCONSIN BADGERS
The game: New Mexico State, September 16
MICHIGAN STATE SPARTANS
The game: at Maryland, September 30
NEBRASKA CORNHUSKERS
The game: Illinois, October 28
After road games against Rutgers on October 6 and Purdue on October 14, Nebraska is going to be eager to return home and get a break. The Cornhuskers get their first bye week after that Purdue game and it will be much-needed. But while Nebraska has the week off before this Illinois game, it cannot afford to get too relaxed. If the Cornhuskers come out for that Illinois game not focused, they could suffer a bad loss.
OHIO STATE BUCKEYES
The game: at Maryland, November 18
MICHIGAN WOLVERINES
The game: Illinois, November 18
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I agree with most of those, but didn't Michigan lose most of their defense from last year? I know they made an incredible DC hire, but I have to imagine Iowa, Wisconsin, or someone else would be better. If they are the best, then I don't know that the Big Ten will be very good on that side of the ball this year.
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I do wish Stadium Bar was still there. I think I actually like the PSU tailgate best now.
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Been so long since I've been up there, I don't remember it closing.
I remember when in was Jingles. I liked that better. Jingle was a really cool old man.
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So you found this at a UNL PUB Crawl?
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I agree with most of those, but didn't Michigan lose most of their defense from last year?
Yes,some sources just throw shit against the wall hoping to garner clicks.Now "M" just might be all that but based on the Exodus on the Defensive side of the ball I'm guessing no.Even if they brought in equal talent to what left there's still the growth and experience thing
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Big Ten aims to have new media rights deal, worth up to $1 billion, in place around Memorial Day - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-ten-aims-to-have-new-media-rights-deal-worth-up-to-1-billion-in-place-around-memorial-day/)
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Big Ten aims to have new media rights deal, worth up to $1 billion, in place around Memorial Day - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-ten-aims-to-have-new-media-rights-deal-worth-up-to-1-billion-in-place-around-memorial-day/)
This product keeps growing in value.
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w/o Texas and Oklahomo
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Which is why I have no problem with the athletes getting theirs. But at some point you also have to protect the product, which is why I'm fine with an unregulated NIL, but completely removing the transfer portal, and transfer waivers
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1522984199061655552?t=ySqV_MNr2OFwxcvab0kBng&s=19
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eerily similar except 4 and 5 star recruits
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eerily similar except 4 and 5 star recruits
Yea I was surprised at that stat as well.
Kinda crazy Nebraska hasn't had a 5* recruit 14 years.
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eerily similar except 4 and 5 star recruits
to me that just shows how many Texas football recruits are over inflated coming out of HS by the people assigning stars!
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or how poorly Texas develops and uses great talent
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Three spring storylines to know
1. All eyes are on the quarterback battle
Northwestern officially kicked off a two-man quarterback battle this spring between junior Ryan Hilinski and sophomore Brendan Sullivan. There didn’t appear to be much separation either way coming out of the spring game.
Hilinski started five games last season and appeared in four others, completing 72-of-134 passes for 764 yards, three touchdowns, and an interception while posting a 2-3 record as a starter.
While he might have been the presumed incumbent for the No. 1 job, Sullivan complicated things with how well he performed during spring ball. Even head coach Pat Fitzgerald raved about Sullivan’s play, making it clear that the starting spot would remain wide-open going into fall camp.
Hilinski has the bigger arm and holds an obvious experience advantage. But Sullivan is more athletic and showed flashes of being a playmaker that could add a different dynamic to the Wildcats’ offense.
2. Loading up on transfers
Every program in the country is taking advantage of the new NCAA Transfer Portal era, including Northwestern.
The Wildcats ended up adding eight transfers to their roster this winter, with seven arriving on campus for spring practices. That number might not stand out compared to other schools, but it was a significant amount for Fitzgerald.
With those new additions, the primary area of focus was the defensive front seven, as Northwestern ranked as one of the worst teams in the country against the run last season.
The Wildcats brought in three defensive tackles and Pittsburgh linebacker transfer Wendell Davis Jr., who will likely claim a starting role this fall.
3. The pressure is on DC Jim O’Neil
It wouldn’t be fair to say that second-year defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil is on the hot seat right now, but his side of the ball will definitely be under the microscope in 2022.
The Wildcats were awful defensively last season, ranking 12th in the Big Ten in scoring defense (29.0 ppg), 13th in total defense (429.5 ypg), and 14th in rushing defense (213.0 ypg).
Given how much Northwestern turned over its roster on that side of the ball this offseason through the transfer portal, the expectation is that it will be better defensively in Year 2.
However, that unit will be put to the test right off the bat with a Big Ten West matchup vs. Nebraska in Ireland. If it struggles, the pressure on O’Neil will only continue to build.
Early outlook on Nebraska vs. Northwestern
Vaccher: “Up until last year, it’s been one of the most competitive series in the Big Ten. It’s always been a close game. Last year it went off the rails pretty early for Northwestern and turned into a laugher, but I don’t think that’s indicative.
"I think, as usual, it’s going to be about who makes more mistakes. If you turn the ball over more, chances are you’re going to lose the game. It should be a pretty close game, and these are two teams we don’t have a lot of expectations for, at least from the Northwestern side.
"There are a lot of big question marks going into the season, and we’re not sure of a lot of things. I kind of think the same way about Nebraska this season with the Scott Frost regime and where they’re standing. So it will be an interesting game, anyway.
"It’s certainly not a marquee matchup in the Big Ten, right? These are two teams that went 1-8 (in conference play) last year. But I think it’s an intriguing game, anyway, and we’ll see where each of them stand right away in the opener.”
2022 win-loss expectation for Northwestern
Vaccher: “So Northwestern is coming off a 3-9 season, and they did this a couple years ago. In 2018 they won the Big Ten West. In 2019 they went 3-9. Then in 2020, they won the West, and in ’21, they went 3-9. So they’re on a bit of a rollercoaster.
"Looking back on that 2019 team, almost all of the problems could be traced to the quarterback. They had absolutely awful play at that position, and it really hurt them. Where last year, there were problems on both sides of the ball. They scored 16.6 points per game and their defense got shredded an awful lot.
"So they’ve got a lot of problems to address. I think if they can get to 6-6 and make a bowl game, this season would be considered a success and get things back on track for Fitz.
"I don’t think they’re going to be a whole lot better than that, and there’s potential they could be a couple games worse than that. Northwestern typically wins a game they shouldn’t and loses a game they shouldn’t every season, so I think they should be somewhere around .500 for the year.”
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The NCAA will vote this week to allow conferences to have championship games that are not between divisional champions.
I like the divisions. That said, I think Iowa bears much responsibility for its weak performance in the 2021 championship game.
The advantage to eliminating divisions is that teams from the east and west that did not play each other regularly, will play more.
I have not done the math here, but I suspect Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin could possibly play each other yearly if there are 3 protected rivalries. I haven't figured out how that affects Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, and Indiana.
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Texas's Jeff Banks maintained his lead as the nation's highest-paid assistant who coaches special teams, but his lead decreased. In fact, last year's runner-up, Florida State's John Papuchis, is now in seventh place. Above him is the nation's highest-paid assistant who only coaches special teams: LSU's Brian Polian, who will earn $625,000 on Brian Kelly's new staff.
Unlike other positions, the asterisk designates a coach who doesn't have an additional on-the-field responsibility beyond coaching special teams.
1. Jeff Banks, Texas -- $1.05 million
2. Mike Reed, Clemson -- $750,000
3. Joe Lorig, Oregon -- $650,000
4. Brian Polian, LSU -- $625,000*
5. Jay Harbaugh, Michigan -- $600,000
6. Ross Els, Michigan State -- $575,000
7. John Papuchis, Florida State -- $550,000
8. Eric Schmidt, Washington -- $525,000
9. Scott Fountain, Arkansas -- $515,000*
10. Stu Holt, Virginia Tech -- $500,000
10. Kenny Perry, Texas Tech -- $500,000
10. Larry Porter, North Carolina -- $500,000
10. Sharrieff Shah, Utah -- $500,000
14. Coleman Hutzler, Alabama -- $495,000
15. John Settle, Kentucky -- $475,000
16. Pete Lembo, South Carolina -- $465,000*
17. LeVar Woods, Iowa -- $440,000*
18. Erik Link, Missouri -- $425,000
19. Bill Busch, Nebraska -- $400,000*
19. Jeff Koonz, West Virginia -- $400,000
21. Eric Mele, Mississippi State -- $375,000*
22. Todd Goebbel, NC State -- $370,000
23. Mike Ekeler, Tennessee -- $350,000
24. Rob Wenger, Minnesota -- $320,000
25. Ben Miller, Illinois -- $315,000
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LINCOLN — Halfway through his spring postgame press conference, Bret Bielema opened a window into how the Illinois coach builds his team’s culture.
“We had a couple players last week — two really good players — get into it, and I think that’s a great step in the right direction,” Bielema said. “Because when your best players expect the best out of each other, you’ve got something.”
Whether you’d agree or not, Bielema’s perspective is distinct. His one-liners tend to be, too. Now on his third school as a head coach, he embraces creative tension. And because he’s the coach, Bielema is his own tiebreaker in Illinois’ tense situations.
After a 5-7 inaugural season in Champaign, Bielema fired his offensive coordinator, Tony Petersen. Given Illinois’ Big Ten rankings in points per game (11th) and yards per game (10th), that made sense on paper. It’s a decision that comes with some risk, however, given Illinois, which plays at Nebraska on Oct. 29, will be installing a third offense in as many years.
Bielema’s new guy? Barry Lunney, one of the few offensive coordinators that made Illinois’ defense look bad last season.
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-bret-bielemas-offensive-overhaul-might-pay-off-big-for-illinois/article_3f792f4c-d6e8-11ec-814b-1369c3cb4274.html (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-bret-bielemas-offensive-overhaul-might-pay-off-big-for-illinois/article_3f792f4c-d6e8-11ec-814b-1369c3cb4274.html)
Lunney called plays last season for Texas-San Antonio, which beat Illinois 37-30 after racking up 497 yards. A four-year starting Arkansas quarterback in the 1990s, Lunney also worked at his alma mater for Bielema. Between stints with Bret, Lunney combined a pro-style run game — power plays with pulling linemen — with a shotgun spread passing game that moves at a quick clip. UTSA won 19 games over the last two seasons.
Illinois calls Lunney’s system “Tempro.” Catchy.
“The one thing I really appreciate about Barry: He knows his system; he knows what he wants to do; he knows his system,” Bielema said. “He knows the strengths, the weaknesses, the flaws, and he’s able to dictate to our players really clearly. And I think they listen.”
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I really think he's gonna have Illinois competitive in the coming years. Arky was not a good fit for him. He can coach.
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if he can find the right coordinators
seems like he will keep trying until he does
does he have enough NIL $$$ to keep up?
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NIL? At Illinois?
Very apathetic fan base. I doubt it.
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all it takes is a couple billionaires that care
see Oregon and Oklahoma State
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MIDDLETON, Wis. (AP) — Wisconsin Republicans voted Saturday not to endorse anyone for governor ahead of the GOP primary in August, with former Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch falling just short of the 60% needed to get the nod — and cash — that comes with winning the party’s official backing.
It marked the first time delegates have not endorsed a candidate for governor. Many activists, and one of Kleefisch’s rivals, had argued for not endorsing anyone, saying it would fracture the party.
The Republican endorsement has been highly sought after because it unlocks funding from the state party, which can then spend as much as it wants on the winner. Now the top candidates will fight it out without any official backing from the party.
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Bama not being in the top 20 seems silly and makes me question the entire list. Edit: And also Miami is in there? This is a joke right?
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it's someone's list
possibly not scientific
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Yeah I know it's not your list. I just don't understand what criteria could possibly be used to arrive at that list? Well, Bama fans sometimes leave at halftime during blowouts, while the Miami fans who fill half the stadium usually stay the whole game?
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Yeah, that's just one guys nonsensical rankings
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Yeah I know it's not your list. I just don't understand what criteria could possibly be used to arrive at that list? Well, Bama fans sometimes leave at halftime during blowouts, while the Miami fans who fill half the stadium usually stay the whole game?
Half?
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Oh boy...
YouDub (uwbadgers.com) (https://uwbadgers.com/feature/you-dub)
Doubt they will ever sniff the $13MM OSU is trying to get.
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I'd bet OSU will get the $$$ needed
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Oh boy...
YouDub (uwbadgers.com) (https://uwbadgers.com/feature/you-dub)
Doubt they will ever sniff the $13MM OSU is trying to get.
And now a private outlet, organized by alumni, donors and former athletes.
The Varsity Collective – Wisconsin Badger Student-Athlete NIL
(https://varsitycollective.com/)
Site needs some work.
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There are probably more, but these are some of the other schools doing collectives:
Schools already benefitting from collectives include: Ohio State, Nebraska, Indiana, Rutgers, Penn State, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Texas A&M, Alabama, Florida, Clemson and Auburn.
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Nebraska's have been paying off by the portal additions
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Good they finally gave a name to the Auburn fundraising operation
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https://youtu.be/3nSpDEFO3tY
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Good to see Allen is at Auburn, which took Wisconsin's place in the B1G.
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Michigan is an interesting team to me this off-season. I see a lot of talent and potential on the offense, but 100% convinced Harbaugh will screw it up. JJ McCarthy needs to be your day 1 starter and let him work through the growing pains. They get Ronnie Bell back at #1 WR spot- he could easily put up a 1,000 yard season he's got that kind of ability- and Cornelius Johnson, Roman Wilson, Andrel Anthony, and AJ Henning are a real nice supporting cast to Bell. Erick All is a heckuva TE to boot. And Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards are both explosive playmakers who need packages where they are both on the field together in the backfield- because both are more than capable route runners/receivers- especially Edwards - you could do a lot of cool stuff with motioning those guys out from the backfield into the slot or even out wide in Edwards case- and causing panic in the defensive alignment. Edwards is the type of dude that could be a 1,000 rushing and 1,000 receiving guy- he's got that kind of ability imo.
Of course none of this will happen. Because: Harbaugh. Dude had a golden opportunity to go out and hire a cutting edge OC with Gattis leaving and he doesn't do jackshit. Promotes the OL coach Sherrone Moore and some no name Matt Weiss to Co-OC job. If there was ever a year to cut it loose, give up control of the offense and go hire a mad scientist and let him go to work with the arsenal you have on offense- this was the year.
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Harbaugh completely screwed himself (and Michigan) by flirting with the NFL.
It's being used against him in recruiting, and also affects his ability to attract staff.
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Harbaugh completely screwed himself (and Michigan) by flirting with the NFL.
It's being used against him in recruiting, and also affects his ability to attract staff.
yeah, recruiting is getting really ugly- which is crazy because coming off a season he just had- you expect to see a bump in the 2023 and 2024 classes. Nothing. Recruiting in those classes is even worse than his 2021 and 2022. I'm thinking it's 100% because of the NFL shit. Players and their families figure the guy will be back in the NFL within the next 2-3 years and they don't want to go through a coaching change.
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the guy is a space cadet
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the guy is a space cadet
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Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud receives six-figure Bentley lease as part of NIL deal with luxury car dealership - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ohio-state-qb-c-j-stroud-receives-six-figure-bentley-lease-as-part-of-nil-deal-with-luxury-car-dealership/)
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Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud receives six-figure Bentley lease as part of NIL deal with luxury car dealership - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ohio-state-qb-c-j-stroud-receives-six-figure-bentley-lease-as-part-of-nil-deal-with-luxury-car-dealership/)
Lmfao. A junior in college driving a $200k SUV for free. Must be nice. As if the starting QB of Ohio State would have trouble getting laid...that'll take his game up to a whole 'nother level. Chicks dig super expensive cars.
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so, it's above board now
and the NCAA doesn't have to worry about it
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Lmfao. A junior in college driving a $200k SUV for free. Must be nice. As if the starting QB of Ohio State would have trouble getting laid...that'll take his game up to a whole 'nother level. Chicks dig super expensive cars.
Steve Bellisari would probably have better luck getting laid in Ann Arbor than Columbus
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Can SMU have their '80s seasons back now?
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Can SMU have their '80s seasons back now?
Can Texas A&M have their car back?
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nope and nope
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pretty obvious Ohio State/Ryan Day are ahead of the curve and setting the tone in NLI in the B1G. Michigan is WAY behind them, and MSU also seems to be ahead of Michigan in this department as well. Harbaugh's response to a reporter when asked about NLI was that Michigan is "a transformative and not transactional experience" for recruits/players....made me want to vomit. Go F**K Yourself Jim. Was your flirting with the NFL/Vikings transformative or transactional? I seriously can't stand this booger eating goober anymore.
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SCOTT FROST, NEBRASKA BEAT OKLAHOMA DURING 5-0 START
Not to apply any additional pressure on Scott Frost this season, but Nebraska's late-September game against Oklahoma in Lincoln is arguably the most important of his coaching career up to this point. Frost's contract buyout changes significantly Oct. 1 according to new language and that's a barometer game for which he'll be judged moving forward against a former Big 12 rival. There's a good chance the Huskers will be 3-0 going into that one if new quarterback Casey Thompson is the real deal and Nebraska is able to take advantage of a soft early-season slate. With an open week before Big Ten foe Indiana coming out of the Oklahoma game, pencil in the Huskers as 5-0 and the talk of the conference going to Rutgers Oct. 7 as a bold prediction.
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-footballs-10-boldest-predictions-for-2022-season-188686875/#188686875_5 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-footballs-10-boldest-predictions-for-2022-season-188686875/#188686875_5)
MICHIGAN STATE FINISHES 4TH IN BIG TEN EAST
Michigan State head coach Mel Tucker heightened expectations for the Spartans with a jaw-dropping 11-win season in only his second go-around last fall, which means the encore performance in 2022 has to fall short of another top 10 finish, right? While Michigan State's stock price is still high after winning a New Year's Six bowl, I'll take profits and sell based on how the 2022 schedule sets up. Michigan State will face as many as five nationally-ranked teams, including Ohio State, Wisconsin and Michigan. This might be cheating a bit here, but there's a reason oddsmakers have moved back the Spartans' win total to 7.5.
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Dark horse teams with a shot, Iowa and Penn State, apparently.
Badger called it 13 dark horses and a stallion.
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would be nice to see Nebraska win the West. Maybe the college football landscape has changed too much for Nebraska to ever come back, but man it'd be a great thing for the B1G conference if it did.
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I think NIL is helping Nebraska
will it help enuff???
time will tell
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Every year, Phil Steele releases a thorough and detailed magazine previewing the upcoming college football season. As part of that, he selects his own list of All-Americans, from a first team — the cream of the crop — all the way down to a fourth team.
Alabama leads the way in first-team selections with four total, three of which play on the defensive side of the ball. The Big Ten had more first-team selections than any other conference with 10, though the SEC is not too far behind with eight of its own. Those two combined constitute 18 out of the 27 total first-team All-American selections.
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-All-American-Team-Phil-Steele-Magazine-releases-preseason-selections-188837725/#188837725_1 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-All-American-Team-Phil-Steele-Magazine-releases-preseason-selections-188837725/#188837725_1)
O-Line
First team: Jarrett Patterson, Notre Dame; Zak Zinter, Michigan; Clark Barrington, BYU; Peter Skoronski, Northwestern; Paris Johnson, Ohio State
Patterson has not allowed a single sack in his three seasons as a starting interior offensive lineman. Not a single sack. ... Zinter is one of the main holdovers from a 2021 Michigan offensive line that took home the Joe Moore Award. ... Northwestern relied upon Skoronski and his versatility ever since 2020, when he enrolled as a freshman. ... Johnson started his career at guard but mans the all-important left tackle spot in 2022 for the Buckeyes.
Second team: John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota; Layden Robinson, Texas A&M; Caleb Chandler, Louisville; Connor Galvin, Baylor; Jaxson Kirkland, Washington
Third team: Jake Renfro, Cincinnati; Warren Ericson, Georgia; Emil Ekiyor, Alabama; Jordan McFadden, Clemson; Carter Warren, Pittsburgh
Fourth team: Ricky Stromberg, Arkansas; Andrew Vorhees, USC; O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida; Braeden Daniels, Utah; Zion Nelson, Miami
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O-line
Northwestern 1st team
no one from Wisconsin through the 4th team
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Hahaha, I feel bad for the Hawkeyes there.
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For UW athletes, I'd probably have Russell in over Watt.
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Hahaha, I feel bad for the Hawkeyes there.
I don't
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Damn shame the "Skers couldn't get Warren involved with the Bagmen premise. Perhaps Dr Tom told him years ago they didn't need him
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I'm hoping he's involved behind the scenes or will be soon
he's more of a baseball fan - but the baseball team needs $$$ too
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Cornsider the league’s uninspiring nonconference slate in 2022 as a harbinger of things to come. After a heady 2021 full of terrific matchups, the list shortens quickly this season.
Purdue at Notre Dame came in No. 12 last year. This year, that game might be fourth.
Michigan doesn’t play a Power Five team in its nonconference slate, opting for Colorado State, Hawaii and Connecticut. The Wolverines will do the same in 2023, playing East Carolina, UNLV and Bowling Green.
https://huskerextra.com/news/football/mckewon-on-metrics-the-dig-at-nebraska-in-athlon-and-nonconference-games/article_248bc9e3-ba46-5249-8c93-ef073be20f96.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Husker_Extra&fbclid=IwAR35kC74CWYsg6VuxQ9T7BYOH0f-s7qSvt6BHj1X63CLQOxoYHsQwKN5sr4 (https://huskerextra.com/news/football/mckewon-on-metrics-the-dig-at-nebraska-in-athlon-and-nonconference-games/article_248bc9e3-ba46-5249-8c93-ef073be20f96.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Husker_Extra&fbclid=IwAR35kC74CWYsg6VuxQ9T7BYOH0f-s7qSvt6BHj1X63CLQOxoYHsQwKN5sr4)
Nebraska’s Sept. 17 tilt with Oklahoma comes in at No. 2, just behind the jewel of the nonconference schedule, a Sept. 3 primetime battle between Ohio State and Notre Dame.
On the bottom end of the nonconference games, you’ll find some truly embarrassing matchups with bad FCS and FBS programs. Nine league teams — including all of the Big Ten West — will play a FCS team, and the Big Ten has a weird, continuing affinity for UConn, which might not finish in the top half of the Missouri Valley or Big Sky in FCS.
Of course, the MAC meal plan is full effect, and New Mexico State appears on Minnesota and Wisconsin’s plate.
We’ve shortened the list this year to the 10 best games and the five worst but, rest assured, there are more snoozers than thrillers.
The top 10
1. Ohio State vs. Notre Dame, Sept. 3: College Football Playoff knockout game.
2. Nebraska vs. Oklahoma, Sept. 17: Husker fans froth up any time OU comes to town, and most of them can still hear the Oklahoma band’s “Boomer Sooner” in their heads, too.
3. Penn State at Auburn, Sept. 17: Big one for PSU coach James Franklin, who got an expensive new contract after 4-5 and 7-6 seasons.
4. Michigan State at Washington, Sept. 17: The Huskies are in the midst of a big rebuild, but they’ve lost one home game to a Big Ten team in 50 years. Keep an eye on it.
5. Iowa vs. Iowa State, Sept. 10: There’s not quite the heat around this Cy-Hawk game as last season. Hawkeye fans tire of this game, especially when they’ve won seven straight.
6. Wisconsin vs. Washington State, Sept. 10: Fun contrast of styles as Wazzu features quarterback Cam Ward, a transfer from Incarnate Word who threw for 47 touchdowns last season in FCS.
7. Purdue at Syracuse, Sept. 17: If the Boilers are for real, they beat the Orange handily by two scores or more. If not ...
8. Minnesota vs. Colorado, Sept. 17: The Gophers humiliated the Buffaloes 30-0 last season in Boulder. The rematch will be much more interesting.
9. Indiana at Cincinnati, Sept. 24: The Hoosiers should have a winning record entering this game. The Bearcats, who open with Arkansas, will be trying to make a second straight run at the College Football Playoff.
10. Illinois vs. Virginia, Sept. 10: Expect points. Lots of them. The Cavaliers won 42-14 last season.
The bottom five
5. Michigan vs. Connecticut, Sept. 17: The Huskies have finished 4-32 the past four years — they skipped the COVID-19 season entirely — and new coach Jim Mora won’t have that program in shape by Week 3 in Ann Arbor.
4. Indiana vs. Idaho, Sept. 10: Indiana, awful in 2021, beat the Vandals 56-14. A similar result in 2022 seems likely.
3. Purdue vs. Indiana State, Sept. 10: The Sycamores lost 44-0 to South Dakota State and 44-2 at North Dakota State last season. Those are KU circa late-’80s kinds of scores.
2. Wisconsin vs. New Mexico State, Sept. 17: Jerry Kill is the new coach in Las Cruces, and he’s inherited a program only slightly better than UConn. After playing at Minnesota and UTEP in games two and three, the Badgers will be the Aggies’ third straight road game. It won’t go well. Set the line at 50.
1. Rutgers vs. Wagner, Sept. 10: Wagner hasn’t won a game since Sept. 28, 2019. Last season, the Seahawks were outscored 424-141. Rutgers should beat Wagner by roughly as much as Maryland has beaten Howard in recent seasons. Those scores: 52-13, 79-0 and 62-0.
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Where every B1G team ranks on ESPN's updated Football Power Index rankings
Paul Harvey |
With the calendar officially past the July 4 weekend and heading to the first full week of July, ESPN has updated its offseason Football Power Index rankings.
To little surprise, the top of the FPI features some very familiar faces in Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and Clemson in the top 4 slots. Notre Dame and Michigan also rounded out the top 6.
The Buckeyes also lead the way in terms of odds to win their conference with a 73.1% chance to win the B1G per the FPI. No other team is given a better than 59% chance to win their conference during the preseason.
In terms of the top 25, the B1G landed 5 teams with Michigan State also landing inside the top 15. Here is where all 14 B1G teams sit on the latest FPI:
No. 2 – Ohio State
No. 6 – Michigan
No. 15 – Michigan State
No. 16 – Penn State
No. 21 – Wisconsin
No. 32 – Nebraska
No. 37 – Iowa
No. 38 – Maryland
No. 40 – Minnesota
No. 41 – Purdue
No. 68 – Indiana
No. 75 – Illinois
No. 81 – Northwestern
No. 82 – Rutgers
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/where-every-b1g-team-ranks-on-espns-updated-football-power-index-rankings/?fbclid=IwAR23NveuFwTOi2qM6glx2wT2Bw1Sj16k7M937fuUDCmzlD_4hL1zKPiKMKI (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/where-every-b1g-team-ranks-on-espns-updated-football-power-index-rankings/?fbclid=IwAR23NveuFwTOi2qM6glx2wT2Bw1Sj16k7M937fuUDCmzlD_4hL1zKPiKMKI)
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With the 2022 college football season just a couple months away, a ranking was released on Wednesday. All the head coaches in the B1G were ranked per Tom Fornelli of CBS Sports.
Fornelli brought things into consideration like how the coach did last season, as well as how consistent they’ve been recently into his rankings. Most of the top dogs in the conference were near the top of the rankings, with some up and coming head coaches moving up the list. It’ll be interesting to see how the list holds up this year.
Here’s where your school’s HC ranked on the list:
No. 1: Ryan Day, Ohio State
No. 2: Jim Harbaugh, Michigan
No. 3: Kirk Ferentz, Iowa
No. 4: Paul Chryst, Wisconsin
No. 5: James Franklin, Penn State
No. 6: Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
No. 7: P.J. Fleck, Minnesota
No. 8: Mel Tucker, Michigan State
No. 9: Jeff Brohm, Purdue
No. 10: Greg Schiano, Rutgers
No. 11: Bret Bielema, Illinois
No. 12: Tom Allen, Indiana
No. 13: Mike Locksley, Maryland
No. 14: Scott Frost, Nebraska
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Move P.J. Fleck down a few notches, and it seems ok to me
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Switch Kirk and Tucker. I think he's that good.
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Switch Kirk and Tucker. I think he's that good.
If you are talking about who I would hire right now, maybe. But given actual accomplishments I'm fine with where he is, aside from being behind Fleck. I'd slide Tucker, Brohm, and Schiano ahead of Fleck.
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Possible in a world where those nine schools consisted of two independents, and seven schools sp read over 5 conferences. Not much overlap. Once ND makes their move, all 9 schools will be in two conferences
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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me too, me too
sooner or later, even a blind squirrel ...........
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Even a blind nut finds a squirrel.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
For which one?
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I don't think we have a general offseason thread, but Hugh Freeze is doing his best to ensure he remains unhirable by anyone, other than obviously Liberty
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1546201704672022528?s=20&t=WxbETTxWbXEI_l597JC8Ww
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For which one?
Just about all of them.
How long have we been hearing about the fallen helmets being "back" now?
And people want to crap on MSU because it's not UM. I'm not buying it. If there is a tumble coming, they are looking at the wrong Michigan school.
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ASU will tumble for sure.
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Just about all of them.
How long have we been hearing about the fallen helmets being "back" now?
And people want to crap on MSU because it's not UM. I'm not buying it. If there is a tumble coming, they are looking at the wrong Michigan school.
Schedule is rough. We flip OSU from road to home, but I don't think it matters where that one is played. But UM/PSU flip from home to road, and that is likely big. Plus we add Wisconsin as a crossover opponent, and our big OOC game goes from Miami to Washington. Washington isn't great, but the track record of Big Ten schools heading out there also ain't great.
Flip side, Michigan has an EASY schedule. They get PSU and MSU at home; they play 3 mid-majors, all at home, non-conference. If they win @Iowa (big if), they'll be undefeated going into Columbus, without being severely tested.
If MSU goes 8-4 with their schedule, I'll take it. Michigan's floor looks like 10-2
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ASU will tumble for sure.
I mean ASU is a dumpster fire right now, but were they good last year? Where is there to go?
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I mean ASU is a dumpster fire right now, but were they good last year? Where is there to go?
They went 8-5, and the one win they had over a team with a winning record was against 8-4 UCLA
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it could get much worse
not that I'd know anything about that
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it could get much worse
not that I'd know anything about that
You never played in the Pac 12 though.
Nebraska would have absolutely been favored over ASU last year. Granted they would have found a horrific way to lose it, but they would have deserved to win
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yup, going 1-8 in the PAC would have been much worse
might be where ASU is headed this season
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Michigan's floor looks like 10-2
I was thinking you'd found Dean Martin's liquor cabinet with all those departures. Checked their schedule and it appears you may be on to something. But then again how much prosperity can the Skunkweasels stand?
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I was thinking you'd found Dean Martin's liquor cabinet with all those departures. Checked their schedule and it appears you may be on to something. But then again how much prosperity can the Skunkweasels stand?
Yeah, if you give them 2-2 @Iowa, vs. MSU, vs. PSU, @OSU; good luck finding a loss in their other 8 games
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Only 8 football programs have won 70% of their games in the last 50 seasons. The B1G has 4 teams that have done just that.
Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, and Penn State have all won 70% of their football in the last 50 seasons. The Buckeyes leads the nation, and the B1G in that stat with the best overall win percentage. Not too far behind them is Michigan, followed by Nebraska and Penn State. Being that the B1G is 1 of the oldest conferences in college football, there is bound to be some great traditions like this.
Here is the where the B1G schools ranked overall on the list, and what their win percentage is over the last 50 seasons:
No. 1: Ohio State .787
No. 5: Michigan .727
No. 6: Nebraska .726
No. 7: Penn State .719
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Go Big Red
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Only 8 football programs have won 70% of their games in the last 50 seasons. The B1G has 4 teams that have done just that.
Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, and Penn State have all won 70% of their football in the last 50 seasons. The Buckeyes leads the nation, and the B1G in that stat with the best overall win percentage. Not too far behind them is Michigan, followed by Nebraska and Penn State. Being that the B1G is 1 of the oldest conferences in college football, there is bound to be some great traditions like this.
Here is the where the B1G schools ranked overall on the list, and what their win percentage is over the last 50 seasons:
No. 1: Ohio State .787
No. 5: Michigan .727
No. 6: Nebraska .726
No. 7: Penn State .719
Per Srassen (note, I've required 90% of years or 45 to be included which excluded Boise thus moving Michigan up):
- .787 tOSU
- .772 OU
- .757 Bama
- .727 M
- .727 UNL
- .719 PSU
- .716 UGA
- .698 FSU
- .694 USC
- .689 Clemson
- .688 UF
- .686 BYU
- .679 Miami, FL
- .679 ND
- .677 TX
- .663 Auburn
- .659 LSU
- .641 aTm
- .641 TN
- .623 VaTech
- .607 Washington
- .603 WVU
- .599 ASU
- .593 UW
- .592 UCLA
- #32 .573 IA
- #36 .556 MSU
- #56 .511 UMD
- #71 .467 RU
- #75 .463 MN
- #77 .455 PU
- #89 .394 IU
- #92 .381 NU
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Two notes on the above:
First, I long ago adopted @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's typical format of listing all of the top-25 with B1G schools in bold then listing the rest of the B1G schools. It is going to be a LONG time before I'm fully accustomed to bolding USC/UCLA.
Second, for as bad as Purdue has been overall (77th nationally and only ahead of IU and NU in the league) they have a remarkable number of wins over #1 Ohio State. In the 50 years from 1972-2021 the Boilermakers are 8-25 against the Buckeyes for a winning percentage of .242. That may not sound like much but it is better than:
- .167 IA
- .125 UNL
- .054 IU
- .051 MN
- .029 NU
Also, Purdue's eight wins over tOSU in the last half century is tied with USC for sixth most, trailing only:
- 20 M
- 11 IL
- 11 UW
- 10 PSU
- 9 MSU
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50 years is a rough cut off point for MSU
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fact that Michigan is #4 considering the RichRod years and Hoke years (minus the first fluke season) is pretty wild to me. Seems like Michigan would be lower- but then again they've been consistently very good, rarely awful, and rarely truly great- so kinda makes sense.
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At Camp Randall !!!
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fact that Michigan is #4 considering the RichRod years and Hoke years (minus the first fluke season) is pretty wild to me. Seems like Michigan would be lower- but then again they've been consistently very good, rarely awful, and rarely truly great- so kinda makes sense.
Yeah, that was still only 7 years, and they still were above .500 in 4 of them, and (as you said) 11-2 once.
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Yeah, that was still only 7 years, and they still were above .500 in 4 of them, and (as you said) 11-2 once.
Different time frame, but I calculated rolliing 10-year winning percentages for the helmets and a few near-helmets for every 10-year period from 1927-1936 through 2012-2021. Then I looked at each school's best and worst. Here they are ranked by worst:
- .6319 tOSU
- .5542 USC
- .5112 OU
- .5103 TX
- .5094 ND
- .4947 M
- .4918 TN
- .4762 LSU
- .4757 BAMA
- .4660 FSU
- .4458 PSU
- .4159 Clemson
- .3876 UF
- .3738 Miami. FL
- .3370 UNL
Michigan's worst was 1958-1967, not the RRod years. They are still high on the overall lists because everybody else has rough times too.
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At Camp Randall !!!
Definitely. That's not going to change, ever.
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Blue-Chip Ratio 2022: The 15 teams who can actually win a national title
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Blue-Chip-ratio-2022-college-football-15-teams-who-can-win-the-national-championship--190039196/#190039196_6 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Blue-Chip-ratio-2022-college-football-15-teams-who-can-win-the-national-championship--190039196/#190039196_6)
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I'm guessing A&M made a jump with their most recent signing class
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Yeah, that was still only 7 years, and they still were above .500 in 4 of them, and (as you said) 11-2 once.
The other thing here, to answer @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) 's post is that cutoff points matter.
Note:
50 years is a rough cut off point for MSU
1972 is a terrible starting point for MSU because they were great for most of the 50's and 60's so by starting with 1972 you deprive them of possibly the best-ever era of MSU football.
Conversely, Michigan was terrible (at least by their standards) for most of the 50's and 60's so 1972 is a really good starting point for them since it leaves out possibly the worst-ever era of Michigan football.
For the 20 years prior to the last 50 (1952-1971):
- MSU was #23 at .649
- Michigan was #28 at .623
Thus, if you go back 70 years (1952-2021):
- Michigan drops behind PSU into 5th
- MSU moves up six spots to #30
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College football updated national championship odds released for 2022 season
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-updated-national-championship-odds-released-for-2022-season-190035348/#190035348_1 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-updated-national-championship-odds-released-for-2022-season-190035348/#190035348_1)
MICHIGAN WOLVERINES (WAS: +6000; NOW: +5000)
TEXAS LONGHORNS (WAS: +5000; NOW: +4000)
NOTRE DAME FIGHTING IRISH (WAS: +5000; NOW: +4000)
OKLAHOMA SOONERS (WAS: +5000; NOW: +3500)
USC TROJANS (WAS: +2500; NOW: +2000)
TEXAS A&M AGGIES (WAS: +3000; NOW: +2000)
CLEMSON TIGERS (WAS: +900; NOW: +1200)
GEORGIA BULLDOGS (WAS: +350; NOW: +350)
OHIO STATE BUCKEYES (WAS: +500; NOW: +350)
ALABAMA CRIMSON TIDE (WAS: +200; NOW +190)
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interesting that only Clemson's odds got worse.
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Speaking of NC odds, according to Saturday Down South (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/theres-wild-national-championship-bet-speaks-top-heaviness-2022/amp/) a bet of $100 on either Bama, UGA, or tOSU to win the NC only pays $29.41 if one of them does while you could nearly triple your money by betting thr field if any other team wins the NC.
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I think I'd still take one of the Big 3 over the field.
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not for 29 bucks
I'll take the field and put $100 on it
you want that action Abba?
I'll pay you $30 or you pay me $100
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not for 29 bucks
I'll take the field and put $100 on it
you want that action Abba?
I'll pay you $30 or you pay me $100
Theoretically yes. I just don't see Clemson, Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma or Texas A&M being a serious contender. The difference between #3 & #4 in SP+ is the same as between #4 and #23.
1) Ohio State 29.9
2) Alabama 28.6
3) Georgia 27.3
4) Michigan 20.6
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23) Florida 13.9
If you're serious about a cash bet, you can PM me I guess.
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nah, just messing
I'd just rather have a chance to win 100 than 30
and I don't think the odds are bad
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Yeah, I mean I wouldn't like having to pick just one of those teams, but even if 1 or 2 has an off year, I still have another one who would be the heavy favorite. Upsets happen, but I think I would need one of those teams to win 4 out of 5 times to make it worth it. I think there is a decent chance we could have all 3 in the playoffs, so a lot has to go your way for the field to win this thing.
I think it would really need to be like a Vince Young, Deshaun Watson level performance from a QB from the field to get it done. So Caleb Williams or JJ McCarthy would need to blow up. Maybe Quinn Ewers and Texas go nuts? Hendon Hooker from Tennessee? I'm not sure who else would be scary.
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Why is there talk of an expanded playoff again?
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Why is there talk of an expanded playoff again?
Because as is, it's boring. Go back to 2, or expand it to 8 or 12, so at least we have some interesting games
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Happy Everyone Makes a Watch List Season, for those who observe!
https://twitter.com/ncfaa/status/1549020130377695233?t=k1PH6AEHrvjdVvMt6w-6zA&s=19
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@Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) , I thought you'd like this:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022/06/131454/inherit-the-wind
It is an Ohio State fan site, obviously, but it makes the argument that defense no longer wins championships, something you have been saying for a while.
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https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-quarterback-rankings-2022 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-quarterback-rankings-2022)
Ranking the Big Ten Quarterbacks for 2022
14. Ryan Hilinski, Northwestern
13. Gavin Wimsatt, Rutgers
12. Tommy DeVito, Illinois
11. Spencer Petras, Iowa
It’s no secret Iowa’s offense struggled last season and heads into 2022 as a concern once again. Although the Hawkeyes won the Big Ten’s West Division, this unit averaged only 23 points and 4.5 yards per play in conference action. Both Petras and Alex Padilla saw significant snaps under center last fall, but neither played well enough to stake a clear claim for the job. Petras held an edge in completion percentage (57.3 to 49.1) and led the team with 1,880 passing yards and 10 touchdowns. However, both quarterbacks averaged under 6.6 yards per attempt, and as a team, Iowa ranked 12th in Big Ten matchups in quarterback rating. Petras did miss two games due to injury but never eclipsed more than 259 passing yards in a game and threw just one touchdown in his last six appearances.
10. Connor Bazelak, Indiana
9. Graham Mertz, Wisconsin
After a promising debut against Illinois in 2020, Mertz’s play has been up-and-down and a better ’22 season is needed if Wisconsin is going to return to the Big Ten title game. The Kansas native ranked ninth in the conference in quarterback rating (121.3), yards per attempt (6.9), and completion percentage (59.5) while throwing for 1,958 yards and 10 touchdowns to 11 picks over 13 games last fall. Over the last two seasons, Mertz has passed for 19 scores. However, 10 of those came in three games – Illinois (2020), Northwestern (’21) and Rutgers (’21). The junior also had only one completion of 40-plus yards in Big Ten play last season, and in 12 matchups against teams with a winning mark over the last two years, Mertz is averaging 154.8 passing yards a contest and tossed five touchdowns to 13 picks. The former four-star prospect is talented, and perhaps the addition of new coordinator Bobby Engram can help the junior show improvement in his third year as the starter.
8. Casey Thompson, Nebraska
Despite Nebraska’s offense averaging 6.4 yards per play and ranking second in the conference in total yardage (447.6), change was needed after a 3-9 mark in Lincoln. Coach Scott Frost revamped nearly all of his offensive staff and hired veteran Mark Whipple to call plays in ’22. In addition to the scheme tweaks and coordinator switch, the ‘Huskers have a change under center after Adrian Martinez transferred to Kansas State. Thompson – a transfer from Texas and the son of former Oklahoma quarterback Charles Thompson – left spring as the front-runner to start and should be a good fit for Whipple’s attack. Over 12 appearances (10 starts), Thompson led the Big 12 with 24 touchdown passes and threw for 2,113 yards while completing 63.2 percent of his throws. The Oklahoma native suffered a thumb injury in the Red River Rivalry matchup against the Sooners, which hindered his play in the second half of the year but is not expected to be an issue at Nebraska. With all of the changes and new faces expected to step up for the ‘Huskers this fall, how quickly all of those pieces can mesh will determine just how high Thompson can climb on this list by December.
7. Tanner Morgan, Minnesota
The return of Kirk Ciarrocca as play-caller is good news for a Minnesota offense looking to get back on track after a sluggish performance (25.5 points a game) in 2021. With Ciarrocca as the offensive coordinator in ’19, the Golden Gophers ranked third in the Big Ten in scoring (34.1 points a game) and second in yards per play (6.4). Also, Morgan had the best season of his career, throwing for 3,253 yards and 30 touchdowns to just seven picks. In that prolific ’19 campaign, Morgan led the Big Ten in yards per attempt (10.2), completions of 40-plus yards (14) and ranked second in quarterback rating (178.7). However, since that season, Morgan has completed 58.9 percent of his throws for 3,418 yards and 17 touchdowns to 14 picks. Can he get back on track in his final year with the Golden Gophers?
6. Sean Clifford, Penn State
The Nittany Lions need Clifford to play better after a disappointing 7-6 finish last season, but not all of what hindered the offense was on the quarterback. Penn State struggled up front (34 sacks allowed), while the ground game managed only 3.2 yards per carry and 96.6 rushing yards in Big Ten contests last fall. Improving the supporting cast would boost Clifford’s performance, but the senior could also be pushed by talented freshmen Drew Allar (true) and Christian Veilleux (redshirt) if he struggles early on. After throwing for 2,654 yards and 23 touchdowns in his first season as the starter in ’19, Clifford recorded 1,883 yards and 16 scores in the abbreviated ’20 campaign. Last year, Clifford posted career-best marks in passing yardage (3,107) and completion percentage (61), while also tossing 21 touchdown passes over 13 games. However, Clifford’s yards per attempt dipped to 6.5 and his completion percentage (57.9) in Big Ten games ranked ninth among Big Ten signal-callers. Another offseason to work under play-caller Mike Yurcich, along with a talented receiving corps led by Parker Washington, should help Clifford’s odds of closing out his career on a high note in Happy Valley.
5. Payton Thorne, Michigan State
Thorne’s first year at the controls of Michigan State’s offense resulted in a record-setting season. The Illinois native set a new school record for most touchdown passes in a single season (27) and posted the third-most passing yards (3,233). Back-to-back efforts of four-touchdown tosses against Youngstown State and Miami in September were a good sign of what was to come from Thorne, as he later tossed four scores against Maryland and finished the season by posting 354 yards and three touchdowns against Pitt in the Peach Bowl. Over 13 games, Thorne threw for 3,233 yards and 27 touchdowns to 10 picks and ran for 181 yards and four scores. Also, his eight completions of 50-plus yards tied for second among Big Ten quarterbacks. With Kenneth Walker III off to the NFL, the focal point of Michigan State’s offense is likely to shift more to Thorne’s right arm. And based on the ’21 season, he’s more than ready to handle more of the offensive focus this fall.
4. Cade McNamara/J.J. McCarthy, Michigan
We are going to cheat a bit and list both Michigan quarterbacks here. Although there’s a battle between McNamara and McCarthy in fall practice to start, both are likely going to play a lot in 2022. Essentially, we are ranking the quarterback room here, but if one starts and plays the bulk of the season snaps, the guess here is that signal-caller ends up earning second-team All-Big Ten honors (and ranks higher on this list). The combination of McNamara and McCarthy worked well for Michigan’s offense last fall, as the two signal-callers combined to guide coach Jim Harbaugh’s team to the Big Ten title and a trip to the CFB Playoff. McNamara threw for 2,576 yards and 15 touchdowns to six picks, while McCarthy added 516 yards and five scores through the air and 124 yards and two touchdowns on the ground. Both quarterbacks are capable of guiding this attack, with McNamara more of a steady option and McCarthy bringing more big-play ability into the offense.
3. Taulia Tagovailoa, Maryland
Tagovailoa took a big step forward in his second year as Maryland’s starting quarterback. The Alabama transfer completed nearly 70 percent (69.2) of his throws for 3,860 yards and 26 touchdowns and 11 picks. Additionally, he seemed to get stronger as the year progressed, throwing for at least 300 yards in four out of the Terrapins’ last six contests – including a 419-yard performance against Indiana in a 38-35 win. Tagovailoa ranked second in the Big Ten with 61 completions of 20-plus yards and had four connections of 60-plus yards in ’21. With another year to work under coach Mike Locksley, along with one of the nation’s better receiving corps at his disposal, look for Tagovailoa to challenge for All-Big Ten honors.
2. Aidan O’Connell, Purdue
From walk-on to All-Big Ten quarterback: That’s O’Connell’s story at Purdue in just a few seasons. The Illinois native did not play in his first two years on campus and made six starts from 2019-20 before a breakout season in ’21. O’Connell threw for 3,708 yards and 28 touchdowns vs. 11 picks for the Boilermakers last fall en route to guiding the team to a 9-4 finish – the best mark under coach Jeff Brohm. O’Connell was lethal with his accuracy (71.8 percent, a single-season Purdue record) and posted two 500-yard efforts against Michigan State and Tennessee. He also roasted a talented Iowa defense for 375 yards and two touchdowns in a 24-7 upset and tied with Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud for the most completions of 40-plus yards (15). O’Connell won’t have David Bell or Milton Wright to throw to this fall, but don’t expect a drop in his production at the controls of Purdue’s high-powered passing game.
1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State
Major expectations surrounded Stroud as he inherited the controls of Ohio State’s high-powered offense last season. After a slow first half against Minnesota and dealing with the effects of a shoulder injury early on, Stroud quickly emerged as one of the top quarterbacks in college football. The California native guided the Buckeyes to an average of 45.7 points a game and led the Big Ten with 4,435 passing yards and 44 scores. He also paced the conference in completion percentage (71.9), yards per attempt (10.1), quarterback rating (186.6), and completions of 50-plus yards (10). Stroud won’t have Garrett Wilson or Chris Olave to throw to in ’22, but don’t expect that to slow down Ohio State’s offense with Jaxon Smith-Njigba in place, along with a host of talented playmakers ready to emerge. Stroud doesn’t have any glaring flaws in his game and could be even better in his second year as the starter. Don't be surprised if he wins the Heisman Trophy this year.
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@Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) , I thought you'd like this:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022/06/131454/inherit-the-wind
It is an Ohio State fan site, obviously, but it makes the argument that defense no longer wins championships, something you have been saying for a while.
Huh. I had figured CG winning teams had to have an elite QB, and then some parts around it like OL (duh) and at least a decent defense. That model broke last year.
I think it's still mostly true though. That is why Bama and OSU stated out ranked 1-2, their QBs are 1-2, or 1a 1b perhaps.
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From Mike Schaefer...........
The 247Sports preseason Big Ten poll shows a healthy amount of Nebraska skepticism which seems warranted at this point.
My Big Ten rankings guess will get revealed this weekend, but suffice it to say there’s not a lot that separates anyone in the Big Ten West. Northwestern seems like the worst team, but that’s usually when the Wildcats find a way to surprise.
Wisconsin getting 12 out of 14 votes feels as much about the lack of an alternative as it does about anything Wisconsin actually has on its team. Sure Braelon Allen is very good, but the passing offense is a big concern and the Badgers have to replace eight starters on defense. Still one glance at the rest of the division and there’s no obvious team to pivot to here.
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Ohio State football unanimously picked as Big Ten champion in 12th annual cleveland.com preseason poll
WEST DIVISION
1. Wisconsin (31 first-place votes) 246 points
2. Iowa (3) 198
3. Minnesota (2) 162
4. Purdue 153
5. Nebraska 123
6. Illinois 65
7. Northwestern 61
EAST DIVISION
1. Ohio State (36) 252
2. Michigan 203
3. Penn State 169
4. Michigan State 162
5. Maryland 104
6. Rutgers 60
7. Indiana 58
BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
Ohio State over Wisconsin (31)
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makes sense. Ohio State is the clear cut favorite to win the B1G by a pretty good margin imo.
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every season lately
when was the last time they weren't?
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Breaking down Big Ten West schedules: Who might have the trickiest journey?
By BRIAN CHRISTOPHERSON
7. PURDUE
6. Nebraska
5. ILLINOIS
4. Minnesooota
3. IOWA
2. WISCONSIN
1. NORTHWESTERN
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/2022-season-Big-Ten-West-schedule-rankings-Nebraska-Huskers-Iowa-Hawkeyes-Purdue-Boilermakers-Minnesota-Golden-Gophers-Illinois-Illini-Wisconsin-Badgers-190499041/#190499041_6 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/2022-season-Big-Ten-West-schedule-rankings-Nebraska-Huskers-Iowa-Hawkeyes-Purdue-Boilermakers-Minnesota-Golden-Gophers-Illinois-Illini-Wisconsin-Badgers-190499041/#190499041_6)
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AN IMPORTANT WEST GAME EACH WEEK
August/September
Aug. 27, Nebraska-Northwestern: A mystery Husker team with 33 new scholarship players tries to grab some wind behind its back. Northwestern tries to show its run defense isn't anything like last year. The most interesting college game of "Week Zero."
Sept. 1, Penn State-Purdue: A Thursday night game in West Lafayette in which the Boilermakers take on a Nittany Lions team that is only 11-11 over the past two seasons and in need of their own pick-me-up to start a season.
Sept. 10, Iowa State-Iowa: Since there's no direct Big Ten West matchups this week, this game grabs notice. It was this game against the Cyclones last fall where Iowa's defense started to really cement itself as a turnover machine that set a theme for its season.
Sept. 17, Oklahoma at Nebraska: Hard to not at least look up and see how it's playing out when those two helmets are together. After home games against UTEP and Kent State, Oklahoma is in its first spotlighted kind of game under Brent Venables.
Sept. 24, Wisconsin at Ohio State: Another game to watch this week is Minnesota at Michigan State, as you consider the standings implications in each division. But the Badgers-Buckeyes stands to be the highlighted game of the day in the league.
OCTOBER
October 1, Michigan at Iowa: It's the Wolverines' first road game and the Hawkeyes have been known to spring an upset in these kind of games in Iowa City. Michigan has been victim to them before.
Oct. 8, Iowa at Illinois: This is a quieter week for the Big Ten West schedule but not lacking importance. On Friday night Nebraska plays at Rutgers in one oof those games the Huskers have to start putting in their pocket to be what they want. The only matchup between two West teams is Hawkeyes-Illini. Bret Bielema, with his Iowa connections, should have his team ready to fight.
Oct. 15, Wisconsin at Michigan State: While Nebraska-Purdue play an important game for each side in West Lafayette, we'll have a better idea with what's happening in East Lansing if Mel Tucker's got Sparty rolling again as they take on the Badgers.
Oct. 22, Minnesota at Penn State: Iowa is at Ohio State on this day as well, but this game in Happy Valley feels like it could be tougher to call and is important for the Gophers as it tries to handle one of its toughest crossover games.
Oct. 29, Illinois at Nebraska/Rutgers at Minnesota/Northwestern at Iowa: It's not a week of electric games featuring Big Ten West teams on paper (though Ohio State is at Penn State in the East Division). But this week's a good example of the sometimes under-the-radar games nationally that settle division races if one of the contenders trips up.
NOVEMBER
Nov. 5, Minnesota at Nebraska/Iowa at Purdue: Two games with important tiebreaker implications in what should be a crowded race as November starts.
Nov. 12, Wisconsin at Iowa: While Nebraska is playing Michigan at the Big House, if the Huskers are still hanging tight in the division race they'll definitely have an eye on the score in Iowa City. Wisconsin ripped Iowa 27-7 last season.
Nov. 19, Iowa at Minnesota/Wisconsin at Nebraska: I've kept thinking one of these years the round-robin scheduling of these November games with Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota is going to deliver that payoff where all the teams are basically tied in the standings. The Huskers have generally been the team on the outside looking in at this point. It's something they ideally change this year.
Nov. 25/26, Nebraska at Iowa/Wisconsin at Minnesota: The Gophers took back the Ax last year. Will that game settle division on Saturday this time around? And will a team like Nebraska have a vested interest in the outcome it hasn't had before? That would mean it was definitely a Husker season with an arrow pointed up if so.
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every season lately
when was the last time they weren't?
I was assuming 2012, when they wound up going undefeated.
But actually as recently as 2019, Michigan was the favorite, 17-14 over OSU, with 2 votes for Nebraska, and 1 for Northwestern
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makes sense. Ohio State is the clear cut favorite to win the B1G by a pretty good margin imo.
Michigan is the defending champion.
I fully expect them to be undefeated when they go into Columbus. They are loaded on offense, should be at least solid on defense- and their schedule is soft.
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I see what you're doing here ;)
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Michigan is the defending champion.
I fully expect them to be undefeated when they go into Columbus. They are loaded on offense, should be at least solid on defense- and their schedule is soft.
Agreed no way tOSU beats the undefeated juggernaut rolling into C-BUS,just save on gas/electrity right now and cede the "W"
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Michigan is the defending champion.
I fully expect them to be undefeated when they go into Columbus. They are loaded on offense, should be at least solid on defense- and their schedule is soft.
That game at Iowa could be tough. MSU and PSU can't be taken lightly.
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Iowa is gonna be looking for revenge after last december's beat down
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That game at Iowa could be tough. MSU and PSU can't be taken lightly.
They have 3 super cupcakes for their OC schedule- 8 home games, and all but one of their “ tough” games at home
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Oh, I know. That is a cake schedule, and the B1G made it even easier by giving that game in Iowa to Fox.
Noon in Kinnick is much easier than 7PM in Kinnick.
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noon in most places is easier than 7pm
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ya just never know what ya might find on Facebook!
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Any list that puts Purdue fans in tier 4 is fine with me.
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Michigan is the defending champion.
I fully expect them to be undefeated when they go into Columbus. They are loaded on offense, should be at least solid on defense- and their schedule is soft.
I do really like the talent on Michigan O- especially if JJ McCarthy is your starting QB- but McCarthy may not even start and Harbaugh CERTAINLY is not the guy you want pulling the strings. There is some serious talent there though. OL should be pretty good- shouldn't skip much of a beat with the All-American transfer at OC. RB duo of Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards is versatile in the pass game and very explosive. Erick All is a really nice TE. And the WR room gets it's go to #1 guy Ronnie Bell back- who has a chip on his shoulder and should have a big bounce back year and the young gun Andrel Anthony is a star in the making imo. Most talented WR on their whole roster might be a true frosh- Darrius Clemons- kid is 6'3, 205 runs 4.35- looked like shades of Braylon at the spring game with some of the catches he made.
BUT......Ohio State is even more loaded on offense and with a much better OC/Coach calling the plays. Michigan's D is going to fall way back down to earth- they lost too much talent/experience. Honestly don't know how the D will look. OSU D will be just as good if not better imo.
@Iowa - a place that Michigan notoriously struggles to win games and will be facing an Iowa team looking for revenge after getting embarrassed - is no gimme - they could lose this game easily and in fact I expect them too.
Penn State, Michigan State at home in the Big House won't be gimmes either. Like the fact that both are at home though.
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Ohio St QB is stupid good
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Ohio St QB is stupid good
no question about it. and his WR is even more stupid good.
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Cade McNamara Was Surprised How “Out of Hand” Michigan's Win Over Ohio State Got in 2021: “I Thought the Gap Was Pretty Big During That Game” | Eleven Warriors (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022/07/131890/michigan-quarterback-cade-mcnamara-was-surprised-how-out-of-hand-the-wolverines-win-over-ohio-state-got-in-2021?fbclid=IwAR2hPiexXGZ9gw_Jcdb0lmlT9HsrIRaFplHY2cmj58_BSYlkdlGFL2_JjEw)
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ya just never know what ya might find on Facebook!
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Indiana?
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tier 4 with the boliers
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Ex-Wisconsin football coach Barry Alvarez still influential in Big Ten (jsonline.com) (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/07/28/ex-wisconsin-football-coach-barry-alvarez-still-influential-big-ten/10164580002/)
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https://twitter.com/MichiganFB23/status/1552459866509381632?t=QRuPixg7vm9ZDVJhq_K5Qg&s=19
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https://twitter.com/MichiganFB23/status/1552459866509381632?t=QRuPixg7vm9ZDVJhq_K5Qg&s=19
😂😂
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Kirk is referring to the best ten in the West - Wisconsin
He knows dern well the hawks don't have a prayer
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Northwestern has won a B1G-leading 4⃣8⃣ games by one possession since Pat Fitzgerald took over in 2006. 😰
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Northwestern has won a B1G-leading 4⃣8⃣ games by one possession since Pat Fitzgerald took over in 2006. 😰
That's why we call them the Cardiac Cats! They also won their division in 2018 and 2020. 2019 and 2021 both saw 3-9 years, so could we see a bounce back again this year? I say probably not. They just don't have the stability at QB. I'd much rather pick a team like Illinois to be the surprise in the West.
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Bo could win a tight game
https://youtu.be/2P6aNKeodyI
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I would be fine with a match-up vs Martinez
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I think they missed Maryland in their bowl team list.
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the West might be strong this season, but Nebraska isn't going to beat Maryland
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Apparently the ReliaQuest Bowl is the Outback/Hall of Fame Bowl.
Id' be good with that. I don't think MSU has played NYD in 8 years. They've played in a CFP and NY6 since that time, but never on NYD
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54. Washington State
53. South Carolina
52. Virginia Tech
51. Oregon State
50. Florida State
49. Nebraska
48. San Diego State
47. Auburn
46. North Carolina
Coming off a 7-6 campaign in Shane Beamer's first season, South Carolina expects to be better in 2022 with offseason transfer portal success, including the acquisition of former Oklahoma five-star quarterback Spencer Rattler. ... Three ACC notables in this group — Virginia Tech, Florida State and North Carolina — are all hoping to improve after falling short of expectations a season ago. The Tar Heels are currently engaged in a quarterback battle during fall camp, while Virginia Tech transitions into a new coaching regime and the Seminoles hope to break a streak of losing seasons.
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-rankings-2022-CBS-Sports-reveals-preseason-top-131-190906218/#190906218_4 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-rankings-2022-CBS-Sports-reveals-preseason-top-131-190906218/#190906218_4)
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Rutgers selling season tickets at Costco. Yikes.
https://twitter.com/zins67/status/1554849996704567297?s=20&t=epRZmVbP2JCLdFKynZzs9A
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Who is the free sample ticket against?
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probably not Nebraska
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Iowa is looking to get back to Indianapolis as B1G West champions in 2022. Once again, the Hawkeyes will try to ride a dominant defense with a host of veterans returning.
Along the way, Iowa will play 7 home games on the schedule in 2022. Kinnick Stadium traditionally proves to be a tough venue for opposing teams to get a win, and that should be the case once again.
A big reason is Iowa selling out every home game on the schedule heading into the fall, the team announced Wednesday afternoon. It is the first time since 2011 that Iowa has sold out every home game.
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Rutgers selling season tickets at Costco. Yikes.
https://twitter.com/zins67/status/1554849996704567297?s=20&t=epRZmVbP2JCLdFKynZzs9A
Embarrassing. TWO lower level SIDELINE season tickets for $99.99.
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They'll make it up on concessions and parking. Schiano is building something here.
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Iowa is looking to get back to Indianapolis as B1G West champions in 2022. Once again, the Hawkeyes will try to ride a dominant defense with a host of veterans returning.
Along the way, Iowa will play 7 home games on the schedule in 2022. Kinnick Stadium traditionally proves to be a tough venue for opposing teams to get a win, and that should be the case once again.
A big reason is Iowa selling out every home game on the schedule heading into the fall, the team announced Wednesday afternoon. It is the first time since 2011 that Iowa has sold out every home game.
I do not understand why Iowa is selling out. I have low expectations for this season of Iowa football. Iowa doubled down on the offensive coordinator who now is QBs coach and he has no experience as a QBs coach, or as a QB.
The QB is a 5th year senior but he relies on a great defense to win games, not on his offensive capability. The O-Line is fairly young. WRs Tyrone Tracey and Charlie Jones transferred to Purdue. The transfers know something about the capability of the Iowa offense that led to their transfers. I am pessimistic, but hopeful Iowa can achieve 7-5.
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well, winning the west had to help
did the AD do anything different with ticket pricing or packages this fall
donor levels, parking, add pre or post game events?
stadium seating decrease?
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According to Front Office Sports, NBS Sports is potentially looking to make the B1G as big as the NFL as they could make a package with the NFL for Sunday Night Football. NBC is pitching a triple-header coverage of B1G on Saturday on Fox, CBS, and NBC all day and night, followed by “Sunday Night Football” to conclude the weekend.
The B1G’s ongoing media rights negotiations are expected to conclude in the near future and should be huge for the conference. Most recent reports indicate the deal could be worth up to $1.25 billion with a host of networks and digital partners hoping to land a deal alongside FOX Sports.
“The Big Ten would have exposure in every TV home,” said one source. “It would also be a smart idea to follow the model of the most successful sports league in America.”
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well, winning the west had to help
did the AD do anything different with ticket pricing or packages this fall
donor levels, parking, add pre or post game events?
stadium seating decrease?
No stadium seating decrease since the North End Zone rebuild about 4-years ago decreased seating by about 1,000.
This article headline suggests it has the answer to why, but is incomprehensible. Why the Iowa Hawkeyes have sold out every home football game in 2022 (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/why-iowa-hawkeyes-sold-every-190006611.html) I suspect after articles were released in the Des Moines Register that 3-games were sold out, and others had about 3-4,000 tickets available that panic developed amongst people who can't figure out there are always tickets available, somehow, and then every game sold out.
I have no idea why, because I am more confident in Scott Frost shocking the Big Ten West with a run at the divisional championship, than I am with Iowa repeating as Big Ten West champion.
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eSECpn is out with the new TV contract.
It will be Fox, CBS and NBC for the Noon, 3:30 and prime slots, respectively.
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I wonder how this will impact Notre Dame's attempt to squeeze $75 million per year out of NBC.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Dubsco/status/1556829352255311875
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I wonder how this will impact Notre Dame's attempt to squeeze $75 million per year out of NBC.
I have no inside information, this is purely a guess, but NBC's interest strongly suggests one of two things, either:
- They are signing on in order to keep ND. NBC has broadcast ND home games for decades (anyone know how long?) and if they think or KNOW that ND will be joining the B1G they can only maintain that relationship with ND by grabbing part of the B1G, or
- They have already decided not to pay the money that ND wants but they want to maintain exposure to CFB so this is where they landed.
Either way I think it suggests that ND to the B1G is more likely than I previously thought.
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eSECpn is out with the new TV contract.
It will be Fox, CBS and NBC for the Noon, 3:30 and prime slots, respectively.
That is big news. Big Ten will have essentially 3 Tier1 games on free national networks.
Now I am wondering who gets the 2nd and 3rd tier games. Sounds like ABC/ESPN is out. So does that mean all other games are split between FS1 and BTN?
Lets say it's a typical conference weekend where nobody has any byes. That's 8 conference games total. So there will be the 3 tier1 games on Sat on Fox, CBS and NBC. Then I am guessing there will be 0 or 1 Friday night game on FS1. 1 or 2 sat games on FS1. And 3 Sat games on BTN?
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McKewon: The Big Ten beat ESPN once, but walking away from the network carries risk
Sam McKewon World-Herald Sports Editor
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/big-ten/mckewon-the-big-ten-beat-espn-once-but-walking-away-from-the-network-carries-risk/article_05c84e06-1804-11ed-8027-2b059b13739f.amp.html (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/big-ten/mckewon-the-big-ten-beat-espn-once-but-walking-away-from-the-network-carries-risk/article_05c84e06-1804-11ed-8027-2b059b13739f.amp.html)
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That is big news. Big Ten will have essentially 3 Tier1 games on free national networks.
Now I am wondering who gets the 2nd and 3rd tier games. Sounds like ABC/ESPN is out. So does that mean all other games are split between FS1 and BTN?
Lets say it's a typical conference weekend where nobody has any byes. That's 8 conference games total. So there will be the 3 tier1 games on Sat on Fox, CBS and NBC. Then I am guessing there will be 0 or 1 Friday night game on FS1. 1 or 2 sat games on FS1. And 3 Sat games on BTN?
Big Ten after dark is now out there too. Rutgers at Stanford at 11 ET on FS6
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That is big news. Big Ten will have essentially 3 Tier1 games on free national networks.
Now I am wondering who gets the 2nd and 3rd tier games. Sounds like ABC/ESPN is out. So does that mean all other games are split between FS1 and BTN?
Lets say it's a typical conference weekend where nobody has any byes. That's 8 conference games total. So there will be the 3 tier1 games on Sat on Fox, CBS and NBC. Then I am guessing there will be 0 or 1 Friday night game on FS1. 1 or 2 sat games on FS1. And 3 Sat games on BTN?
Pretty much.
And you have overflows sometimes. I know I’m big non-conference weeks, the SEC, which had 4-5 dedicated spots and like up to 3 spots across ESPN most weeks, sometimes kicked games to SEC Network-plus.
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Big Ten after dark is now out there too. Rutgers at Stanford at 11 ET on FS6
Stanford is in?
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I heard that part of the new deal is that some of the games will be streamed on the peacock network? Is that true?
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No idea if that's true. I tend to doubt that though.
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I heard that part of the new deal is that some of the games will be streamed on the peacock network? Is that true?
Maybe some? If NBC throws in enough cash, anything is possible.
it’s also worth noting, that despite all the shit ESPN takes, the company has been very good for college football availability. There are some downsides to a nationalized game, but there are a lot of pluses too
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Seems like a decent place to put this:
https://twitter.com/kyleumlang/status/1539271157098086402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1539271157098086402%7Ctwgr%5E916a311f28cd146e2d539628b7af447f038a56c9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkyleumlang%2Fstatus%2F1539271157098086402%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1539271157098086402257Ctwgr255E257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Ftexas%2Fboard%2F21%2FContents%2Ftoday-on-twitter-for-6212022-189012872%2F%3Fpage%3D1
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Seems like a decent place to put this:
https://twitter.com/kyleumlang/status/1539271157098086402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1539271157098086402%7Ctwgr%5E916a311f28cd146e2d539628b7af447f038a56c9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkyleumlang%2Fstatus%2F1539271157098086402%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1539271157098086402257Ctwgr255E257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Ftexas%2Fboard%2F21%2FContents%2Ftoday-on-twitter-for-6212022-189012872%2F%3Fpage%3D1
I sense a pattern……
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Seems like a decent place to put this:
https://twitter.com/kyleumlang/status/1539271157098086402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1539271157098086402%7Ctwgr%5E916a311f28cd146e2d539628b7af447f038a56c9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkyleumlang%2Fstatus%2F1539271157098086402%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1539271157098086402257Ctwgr255E257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fcollege%2Ftexas%2Fboard%2F21%2FContents%2Ftoday-on-twitter-for-6212022-189012872%2F%3Fpage%3D1
Yes, USC, Tex, ND typically do not play FCS and sometimes like to play 11 P5 teams too. Kudos to Oklahoma and Colorado for joining them this year.
The rule for the Big Ten is the Big Ten East is not supposed to play FCS teams in even number years, and Big Ten West is not supposed to play FCS teams in odd number years. So that explains most of this year's list. I am not sure why Rutgers and Indiana get a pass on this rule.
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I'd much prefer replacing UW's home game against Illinois State with a home game against OU, UT, USC, etc.
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I am not sure why Rutgers and Indiana get a pass on this rule.
I have an idea
also, Colorado sticks out like a sore thumb on that list
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I have an idea
also, Colorado sticks out like a sore thumb on that list
You think Colorado sticks out more than Maryland?
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yes, Maryland is a Big Ten East school
USC is joined the Big Ten, Texas and OU are joining the SEC
so it's all Big Ten and a couple schools leaving the Big 12
in a few years CU would be the only B12 team on the list
makes me wonder if joining the SEC will change the scheduling practices of Texas and OU. I assume it will
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yes, Maryland is a Big Ten East school
USC is joined the Big Ten, Texas and OU are joining the SEC
so it's all Big Ten and a couple schools leaving the Big 12
in a few years CU would be the only B12 team on the list
makes me wonder if joining the SEC will change the scheduling practices of Texas and OU. I assume it will
Can't speak for OU but I doubt Texas will change its scheduling practices. I expect we'll continue to schedule one season-opening cupcake as a tune-up, one regional team for recruiting purposes, and one marquee OOC opponent. And there are plenty of those to be found in the G5 and P5 ranks, without scheduling FCS. Texas has only scheduled one FCS team since the 80s, and that was the first season when college football expanded to the 12-game regular season and Texas needed to add someone quick.
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Can't speak for OU but I doubt Texas will change its scheduling practices. I expect we'll continue to schedule one season-opening cupcake as a tune-up, one regional team for recruiting purposes, and one marquee OOC opponent. And there are plenty of those to be found in the G5 and P5 ranks, without scheduling FCS. Texas has only scheduled one FCS team since the 80s, and that was the first season when college football expanded to the 12-game regular season and Texas needed to add someone quick.
Is the SEC going to a 9-game league schedule? If not then Texas will need a fourth OOC. What would you expect that to be?
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I have heard speculation that the SEC will go to 9 conference games so that they could go to 3-6(6) scheduling format that the Big Ten is also considering. 3 fixed rivals you play every year. 12 teams that you play once every 2 years.
If they stick with 8 games they may have to consider a 3-3(3)-2(2)(2) format. 3 fixed rivals. 6 teams you play once every 2 years. 6 teams you play once every 3 years.
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I definitely expect the SEC to go to 9 games. When your television network provider is paying over $3 billion for your package, they want as many good matchups as they can get. Conference games are worth a lot more to them than non-conference games against scrubs, plus they retain rights to ALL conference games home or away, while the non-conference away games wouldn't necessarily fall under their umbrella.
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I'm not sure Saban will be pleased
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I'm not sure Saban will be pleased
Pretty sure he's been openly advocating for it, for a while. Now, it's possible he knows he's safe doing that, because all the OTHER schools in the SEC were against it.
But really it doesn't matter what the coaches or schools think. All that matters is what the television partners think. And they're definitely going to want a 9-game conference schedule, for the amount of money they're paying.
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Ranking the B1G's top 25 true freshmen
25. Joe Strickland, Purdue DE
Purdue has big shoes to fill with George Karlaftis now in the NFL, and freshman defensive end Joe Strickland isn’t a bad place to start. He’s impressed early for the Boilermakers and could be a staple in that room for years to come.
The No. 227 prospect in the nation (5th-best from the state of Indiana) is Purdue’s top defensive signee in this class.
24. Anthony Johnson, Rutgers LB
Anthony Johnson may not even be the most naturally talented freshman linebacker on the Scarlet Knights squad. Johnson, a 4-star recruit out of Philadelphia, will be right in the thick of things for a starting job following fellow 4-star freshman Moses Walker’s season-ending ACL tear in spring camp.
Linebacker is a position of need for the Scarlet Knights, too. Rutgers lost upwards of 75 combined starts and returns zero starting linebackers from a defensive squad that was near the bottom of the league per B1G metrics.
23. Zane Durant, Penn State DL
The 6-1, 251-pound Durant has considerable competition in front of him. Returning senior PJ Mustipher is back from injury and ready to wreak havoc in the middle of the line, as are sophomore Coziah Izzard and junior Dvon Ellies. Plus, he’ll probably have to bulk up if he is going to remain an interior defensive lineman.
22. Caleb Burton, Ohio State WR
Ah yes, another uber-talented receiver to add to Ohio State’s already uber-impressive receiver corps. Burton may be the 3rd highest rated freshman receiver in Ohio State’s 2022 class, but he balled out at Ohio State’s spring game and has been a training camp star early for Ryan Day and company.
Burton was ranked as the No. 1 receiver in the class of 2022 until he suffered an injury his junior season.
21. Shawn Miller, Illinois WR
Miller has impressed Bret Bielema and staff ever since arriving in Champaign in the offseason. Perhaps the product of a dismal quarterback situation, the Fighting Illini’s top returning receivers, Casey Washington and Isaiah Williams, failed to record 1,000 receiving yards combined in 2021.
20. Ramon Brown, Maryland RB
Rushing offense wasn’t exactly Maryland’s thing last season, and that’s likely to remain the case. Mike Locksley will rely on Florida transfer Jacob Copeland and returning stud receivers Rakim Jarrett and Dontay Demus Jr. as the main weapons for Taulia Tagovailoa to utilize.
But Brown, a 4-star recruit out of Midlothian, Va., could be looking at an immediate starting role and a solid workload. He could boost what has been an abysmal ground attack for the Terrapins lately.
19. Omar Cooper, Indiana WR
One of Indiana’s top 4 recruits this year, Cooper could not have been given a better opportunity to immediately contribute. Indiana returns just 1 receiver of value, DJ Matthews, who missed significant time last year because of injuries.
The Indianapolis-based Cooper could be a good one.
18. Drew Allar, Penn State QB
At 6-5 and 242 pounds with a 5-star right arm, Allar will reach BMOC status soon enough in State College, but maybe not this year. As the top 2022 QB commit in the Big Ten, he’s competing with a couple of fellow freshmen to be next man up should 6th-year senior Sean Clifford falter.
17. Zeke Berry, Michigan S
Berry is not the only freshman safety out of Michigan to crack this list, but he’s right in the mix for reps in a secondary attempting to replace 3 starters. For now, it will likely be Rod Moore, RJ Moten or Quinten Johnson’s time to shine at safety, but there’s no doubting Berry’s natural talent for the position.
16. Dani Dennis-Sutton, Penn State DL
Here we are with Penn State potential breakout freshman defensive lineman No. 2 in a very capable class for the Nittany Lions. Dennis-Sutton is Penn State’s highest rated recruit and could battle with fellow freshman Zane Durant for legitimate reps sooner rather than later.
Dennis-Sutton is the 4th highest rated B1G commit, but does have a lot of talented returnees competing with him.
15. Reggie Fleurima, Northwestern WR
Another receiver entering a good situation, Fleurima is Northwestern’s highest rated recruit this year. He’s criminally underrated and has a skillset that could rejuvenate a hapless Wildcats receiving corps. Northwestern returns just 1 receiver who tallied over 500 yards last season (Malik Washington).
14. Joe Brunner, Wisconsin OT
Unlike a lot of other selections on this list, Brunner is almost guaranteed not to start this season. Still, Wisconsin’s highest rated 2022 commit is certainly going to be important down the road for a team that loves to run the ball. Plus, he’s a homegrown prospect from nearby Milwaukee and is sure to be a fan favorite.
13. Kye Stokes, Ohio State S
At Nos. 13 and 12 on this list are a couple of talented safeties who could help Ohio State sooner than later. Both have the ability to contribute at a high level for new DC Jim Knowles this fall. Stokes was a spring standout for the Buckeyes in a unit that is lacking a returning starter.
12. Sonny Styles, Ohio State S
Styles is 1 of OSU’s 2 5-star recruits this cycle. He’s wildly athletic and has the ability to contribute right away.
11. Keon Sabb, Michigan S
Sabb is one of the highest rated safety prospects in the country, coming at No. 9 overall and No. 3 in the B1G. He, like Zeke Berry, will be fighting for minutes in a secondary returning just 1 starter in natural cornerback DJ Turner.
10. Germie Bernard, Michigan State WR
Michigan State is not set on wide receivers, but it’s pretty close. The Spartans return Jayden Reed and Tre Mosley, 1,000 and 500-yard receivers, respectively. It should tell you how good Bernard could be that he hovers around WR 4/5 as a freshman.
The Spartans aren’t exactly a ground-and-pound type of unit, and this 4-star out of Henderson, Nevada, is right in the thick of things for meaningful snaps. He’s rated as the 8th-best receiver recruit in the B1G, but you’ll know his name soon enough.
9. Mason Graham, Michigan DL
Head coach Jim Harbaugh said following the start of preseason practice that one freshman on the squad was like a gift from the football gods. We’re not saying it’s Graham definitively, but it’s as good a guess as any.
Graham is going to be a monster on the line for a unit that returns just 1 starter in senior Mazi Smith. Graham has had a good spring, and word is he’s having a good preseason camp as well.
8. Kaden Saunders, Penn State WR
Saunders is the highest rated freshman receiver in the B1G and is entering a very competitive and capable receiver corps. Sean Clifford is the Nittany Lions’ signal-caller and will have a ton of talent to throw the ball to besides Saunders.
Still, his speed is hard to ignore. At 4.3 seconds for the 40-yard dash, Saunders will be the fastest receiver the Nittany Lions will weaponize in the slot.
7. CJ Hicks, Ohio State LB
The highest rated signee in the B1G resides in Columbus. Hicks is wildly talented, and will no doubt see the field in 2022, but it’s hard to see him beating out returning talent such as Tommy Eichenburg, converted running back Steel Chambers and Arizona State transfer Chip Trayanum for a starting role. Co-captain OLB Teradja Mitchell is there to mix things up as well.
6. Derrick Moore, Michigan DL
Another likely candidate for that whole “gift from the football gods” attribution from Harbaugh could be 4-star, 6-4, 250-pound behemoth of a man Derrick Moore.
Moore is Michigan’s 2nd highest-ranked recruit and has looked the part in camp.
5. Xavier Nwankpa, Iowa S
Iowa City, the media, Kirk Ferentz, you name it: They have all been raving about this kid ever since he committed to the Hawkeyes back in December. Nwankpa will play and he will start at some point during his career barring injury. The question is whether he can beat out guys like Quinn Schulte and Jaxon Rexroth in the early going.
4. Jaishawn Barham, Maryland LB
Starting right off the bat is certainly on the table for Jaishawn Barham, Maryland’s top recruit and a desperately needed reinforcement for what is currently a struggling unit. The Terrapins lost 3 starters from the middle of the field last season. That combined with Barham’s talent is way, way too much for defensive coordinator Brian Williams to ignore.
3. Dasan McCullough, Indiana LB
If this list was strictly which B1G freshman will play the most in 2022, Dasan McCullough is probably your top answer. McCullough is a shoo-in for playing time in an Indiana linebacker room that returns just 1 starter, loses its best player from last season in Micah McFadden and was … just not great to begin with. McCullough also happens to be the Hoosiers’ first top-100 prospect to commit in program history.
2. Will Johnson, Michigan CB
It’s not crazy to say it out loud: Will Johnson is currently the most naturally gifted defensive back the Wolverines have. Jim Harbaugh himself has said Johnson will be battling for a starting role, and his play has definitely made him seem worthy. It’s just a matter of putting the athleticism and talent into action.
Johnson, a 5-star recruit and the No. 3 overall prospect in the B1G, is going to be fun to watch this season.
1. Nick Singleton, Penn State RB
It’s hard to pen in anyone else at this spot. Singleton will lead the way for what has been a borderline abysmal ground attack since Saquon Barkley left in 2018. It seems the 6-foot, 220-pound Singleton is more than ready for the B1G. A 5-star in-state prospect, he is set to lead the group as a freshman, with fellow class of 2022 running back Kaytron Allen in the mix as well.
Sophomore Keyvone Lee will likely open the season as the starter, but it’s hard to imagine James Franklin and OC Mike Yurcich keeping Singleton off the field for too long.
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Pretty sure he's been openly advocating for it, for a while. Now, it's possible he knows he's safe doing that, because all the OTHER schools in the SEC were against it.
But really it doesn't matter what the coaches or schools think. All that matters is what the television partners think. And they're definitely going to want a 9-game conference schedule, for the amount of money they're paying.
I agree, but I would suppose the TV suits have wanted this from the SEC for a few seasons
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I wonder if Braelon Allen made that list last year.
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I agree, but I would suppose the TV suits have wanted this from the SEC for a few seasons
Disney's losing all of its B1G content in a couple of years. Do you think they'd rather replace it with SEC content, or PAC/B12?
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ESPN is gonna have to pay the SEC
it could be outrageous $$$
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From a Buckeye perspective, I don't see any of these freshmen making much of an impact this year. Too much returning talent from last year. Barring injuries, it'll probably just be garbage time in the first few games.
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I definitely expect the SEC to go to 9 games. When your television network provider is paying over $3 billion for your package, they want as many good matchups as they can get. Conference games are worth a lot more to them than non-conference games against scrubs, plus they retain rights to ALL conference games home or away, while the non-conference away games wouldn't necessarily fall under their umbrella.
I generally agree but I think it depends on what the extra league game replaces. If the choice is league game or non-conference game against scrub then obviously the league game is preferable.
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I generally agree but I think it depends on what the extra league game replaces. If the choice is league game or non-conference game against scrub then obviously the league game is preferable.
It doesn't really matter, to be honest. A league game is guaranteed inventory for the broadcast partner. An OOC game-- even against a marquee opponent-- is NOT necessarily going to provide inventory for the SEC broadcast partner, since most of those are set up as home-and-home. During the away year, the SEC team doesn't get to broadcast the game, the opponent does.
Unfortunately, I could definitely see this arrangement further reducing the amount of home-and-homes we see scheduled between leagues with zero intersecting broadcast partners. And most importantly and specifically, this means we'll likely see fewer inter-league games between the B1G and the SEC. I suspect SEC teams will be encouraged to schedule ACC rather than B1G if at all possible to keep it "all in the family."
What's really interesting is how Notre Dame will now have some divided allegiances. The ACC is partnered closely with Disney, but I would expect NBC would love to push Notre Dame to schedule heavily against the B1G to strengthen both of those NBC contracts.
It's a whole new world out there. Only gonna get worse IMO.
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Anyway, that's probably better conversation for a realignment and/or TV contract thread, no need to further muck up your nice, clean B1G offseason thread with talk of the loathsome and dirty SEC.
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loathsome and dirty
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https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1560257844250828800?t=NDI0wAbOiVCHbdDzlZEqCQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/PeteFiutak/status/1560266428615299078?t=QS62OlnDiNHTpeqSrtU6pQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/kylebaustin/status/1560269054937427970?t=ZhsXiv8GkPlhHeUvQkQkaA&s=19
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I heard that part of the new deal is that some of the games will be streamed on the peacock network? Is that true?
No idea if that's true. I tend to doubt that though.
Yeah, about that....
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Maryland may want to change their mascot to the peacock. It would match their flag and the service that most of their games would be on.
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Maryland was used to push BTN carriage in DC. If you banish them to Peacock, then the providers in the area will have grounds to drop the BTN. Same goes for Rutgers in NY.
Sounds to me like Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, and Northwestern better get used to the idea of streaming on a network nobody has or wants.
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It's only 8 games per year, so even those teams would get 3 a year tops, but likely less.
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Maryland was used to push BTN carriage in DC. If you banish them to Peacock, then the providers in the area will have grounds to drop the BTN. Same goes for Rutgers in NY.
Well, I believe the big part of the deal was the existing contract with Comcast mandating coverage if they were added. Considering Comcast/Xfinity has the same parent company, and Peacock is automatically included with an Xfinity subscription, I don't think Peacock matters much
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More carriers than Comcast were forced to swallow the BTN whether they wanted to or not. But I'll readily admit I don't know who the players are in DC and NY.
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Yeah, about that....
I was speaking more to football.
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College football coaching carousel: Ranking best Power Five jobs available after Auburn fires Bryan Harsin - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-coaching-carousel-ranking-best-power-five-jobs-available-after-auburn-fires-bryan-harsin/)
Interesting list here.
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that's Ed Zachery how I'd rank em
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I didn't think UW would be #1.
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Auburn is probably a close 2nd to Wisconsin.
Better recruiting advantages at Auburn, but an easier path to a division champ in the Big West
I'd say the top 3 are all very good programs that have everything needed for success.
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Mickey Joseph is reportedly under consideration for the head coaching job at Arizona State.
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