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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on January 03, 2022, 11:40:57 AM
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117-13 from 2012-2021
- 12-0 in 2012, 1.000
- 12-2 in 2013, 0.857
- 14-1 in 2014, 0.933
- 12-1 in 2015, 0.923
- 11-2 in 2016, 0.846
- 12-2 in 2017, 0.857
- 13-1 in 2018, 0.929
- 13-1 in 2019, 0.929
- 7-1 in 2020, 0.875
- 11-2 in 2021, 0.846
- 117-13 from 2012-2021, 0.900
In the rolling decade look used here, 2021's 11-2 replaces 2011's 6-7 so that five game improvement moved the Buckeyes up to exactly 0.900.
I tracked this for all the traditional helmets and a few others back to the first AP Poll. Ie, the first 10-year period that I have tracked is 1927-1936 and I tracked it for:
- tOSU
- USC
- OU
- TX
- ND
- M
- TN
- LSU
- Bama
- FSU
- PSU
- Clemson
- UF
- Miami, FL
- UNL
Those are sorted by their worst 10-year. Ohio State is far-and-away #1 on that metric.
It sucks when all-time great accomplishments are overshadowed by some other team (Bama) doing even better at the same time.
To put this in perspective, in all of the 10-year periods from 1927-1936 through 2012-2021 here are all of the .900 decades:
- 0.9245, OU was 97-7-2 from 1948-1957
- 0.9245, OU was 97-7-2 from 1949-1958
- 0.9143, Bama will be 128-12 from 2012-2021 if they beat UGA
- 0.9130, Bama was 126-12 from 2011-2020
- 0.9095, OU was 94-8-3 from 1947-1956
- 0.9071, Bama was 127-13 from 2009-2018
- 0.9071, Bama will be 127-13 from 2012-2021 if they lose to UGA
- 0.9000, tOSU was 117-13 from 2012-2021
Either/or, obviously.
The odd thing about this is yet another entry in the category of Ohio State's consistency. The Buckeyes somehow managed to pull off a .900 decade without winning multiple NC's. By contrast:
- OU won three between 1948 and 1957 (50, 55, 56).
- OU won three between 1949 and 1958 (50, 55, 56).
- Bama will have won five between 2012 and 2021 if they beat UGA (12, 15, 17, 20, 21).
- Bama won five between 2011 and 2020 (11, 12, 15, 17, 20).
- OU won three between 1947 and 1956 (50, 55, 56).
- Bama won five between 2009 and 2018 (09, 11, 12, 15, 17).
- Bama will have won four between 2012 and 2021 if they lose to UGA (12, 15, 17, 20).
- tOSU won one between 2012 and 2021 (14).
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OSU's best decade ever you not only had the Juggernaut of Alabama to deal with, but Clemson's best decade as well.
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and Purdue!
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and Purdue!
Go away Troll.
Serious question: is there a "block that asshole" button?
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Wow, I thought it was a harmless joke.
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OSU's best decade ever you not only had the Juggernaut of Alabama to deal with, but Clemson's best decade as well.
To me this is a REALLY big deal. This is only the seventh .900 decade in the last ~100 years. That is immensely impressive. It gets overshadowed because it came with only one NC and at the same time that Bama had an even stronger decade but it is still a humongous accomplishment.
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It is impressive to me.
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Bama is definitely the GOAT, but OSU is the clearcut second GOAT.
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Serious question: is there a "block that asshole" button?
There is the ability to block specific posters if you don't want to read their posts.
I think it better just to have the discipline to ignore them.
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OSU's best decade ever you not only had the Juggernaut of Alabama to deal with, but Clemson's best decade as well.
bama with potentially it's best ever, or 3rd best ever, and did so with both tosu and clemson having their best ever. imagine the decade for any of them if the other 2 had been just meh.
good info @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547)
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Bama is definitely the GOAT, but OSU is the clearcut second GOAT.
this is so hard to define. bama's decade run with the titles is probably the greatest ever, but i can't deny i'm jealous every time i look at the consistency of tosu. it's truly remarkable how they almost never have a bad season.
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bama and tosu are 1/2 in win%. not sure when that happened, but it's been within last year or so.
mich is still 1 in wins (976), but bama and osu are tied for 2nd (942). bama, fwiw, has 966 on field wins with 24 being vacated/forfeited from the textbook1 and napkin/agent2 "scandals". not sure what tosu's would be without the tattoo thing (did they take away wins for that?).
1 - in 06-07 players bought textbooks with their scholarships for their non-sports friends (vacated 16 wins)
2 - in 93 cb langham played all season while ineligible. he had signed a "contract" with an agent on a napkin in a bar while drunk and partying after winning the 92 national title. (forfeited 8 wins)
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bama with potentially it's best ever, or 3rd best ever, and did so with both tosu and clemson having their best ever. imagine the decade for any of them if the other 2 had been just meh.
good info @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547)
Thank you and this is an interesting point. Nearly all of Bama, Clemson, and tOSU's CFP losses are to each other with the only exception being Clemson's loss to LSU in the 2019CG:
- Bama lost to tOSU in 2014 semi-final
- Clemson lost to Bama in 2015 CG
- tOSU lost to Clemson in 2016 semi-final
- Bama lost to Clemson in 2016 CG
- Clemson lost to Bama in 2017 semi-final
- Bama lost to Clemson in 2018 CG
- tOSU lost to Clemson in 2019 semi-final
- tOSU lost to Bama in 2020 CG
You make a good point. If you take away the other two, the one remaining, wow!
this is so hard to define. bama's decade run with the titles is probably the greatest ever, but i can't deny i'm jealous every time i look at the consistency of tosu. it's truly remarkable how they almost never have a bad season.
Ohio State has bad seasons, they just haven't strung them together. That said, your jealously is mutual. While I do revel in the fact that tOSU hasn't had a bad decade in more than a century it is frustrating to be perennially thisclose to a monster multiple NC decade such as Bama and Oklahoma have enjoyed.
If it posts right I'll attach the rolling 10-year winning percentages for Bama and tOSU. Bama's troughs are MUCH worse than tOSU's. Ohio State's worst decade from 1927-1936 through 2012-2021 is that they went 54-30-7 or .6319 from 1943-1952. Bama has two major down periods much worse than that including being sub .500 as recently as 1998-2007 (49-54 or .4757).
The flip side, of course, is that Bama's peaks are also MUCH higher. In addition to their current peak being higher than tOSU's best ever, they also have a peak just shy of .900 for the '70's (107-13 or .8917 for 1971-1980), another peak over .85 for 1959-1968 and yet another in the '30's.
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One metric I like is based on AP rankings. You get a point for being ranked 20th for a week and 20 points for being ranked first for a week, then tote'em all up.
Last I saw of this, it had OSU first by quite a bit and then the usual suspects.
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One metric I like is based on AP rankings. You get a point for being ranked 20th for a week and 20 points for being ranked first for a week, then tote'em all up.
Last I saw of this, it had OSU first by quite a bit and then the usual suspects.
Total AP Poll appearances (1936-12/5/2021):
| 1. | Ohio State | 949 | 79.1% | 8.1 | 1 |
| 2. | Michigan | 886 | 73.8% | 9.5 | 1 |
| 3. | Oklahoma | 876 | 73.0% | 7.7 | 1 |
| 4. | Notre Dame | 848 | 70.7% | 8.4 | 1 |
| 5. | Alabama | 840 | 70.0% | 7.2 | 1 |
| 6. | USC | 787 | 65.6% | 9.5 | 1 |
| 7. | Texas | 748 | 62.3% | 9.3 | 1 |
| 8. | Nebraska | 730 | 60.8% | 8.3 | 1 |
| 9. | Penn State | 664 | 55.3% | 10.1 | 1 |
| 10. | Florida | 641 | 53.4% | 10.3 | 1 |
| 11. | LSU | 640 | 53.3% | 10.7 | 1 |
| 12. | Georgia | 628 | 52.3% | 10.6 | 1 |
| 13. | Auburn | 602 | 50.2% | 11.3 | 1 |
| 14. | Tennessee | 588 | 49.0% | 10.6 | 1 |
| 15. | Florida State | 560 | 46.7% | 8.6 | 1 |
| 16. | UCLA | 536 | 44.7% | 11.9 | 1 |
| 17. | Miami (FL) | 509 | 42.4% | 9.1 | 1 |
| 18. | Texas A&M | 483 | 40.3% | 12.5 | 1 |
| 19. | Clemson | 476 | 39.7% | 11.8 | 1 |
| 20. | Washington | 456 | 38.0% | 12.3 | 1 |
| 21. | Arkansas | 426 | 35.5% | 11.8 | 1 |
| 22. | Michigan State | 415 | 34.6% | 11.7 | 1 |
| 23. | Wisconsin | 412 | 34.3% | 13.1 | 1 |
| 24. | Iowa | 356 | 29.7% | 13.0 | 1 |
| 25. | Oregon | 334 | 27.8% | 11.5 | 1 |
Total AP Poll top-10 appearances:
| 1. | Ohio State | 668 | 55.7% | 4.8 | 1 |
| 2. | Oklahoma | 621 | 51.7% | 4.3 | 1 |
| 3. | Alabama | 599 | 49.9% | 3.8 | 1 |
| 4. | Notre Dame | 583 | 48.6% | 5.1 | 1 |
| 5. | Michigan | 532 | 44.3% | 5.3 | 1 |
| 6. | Nebraska | 518 | 43.2% | 4.9 | 1 |
| 7. | USC | 473 | 39.4% | 4.8 | 1 |
| 8. | Texas | 453 | 37.8% | 4.9 | 1 |
| 9. | Penn State | 394 | 32.8% | 5.9 | 1 |
| 10. | Florida State | 368 | 30.7% | 4.5 | 1 |
| 11. | Florida | 357 | 29.8% | 5.4 | 1 |
| 12. | Georgia | 335 | 27.9% | 5.8 | 1 |
| 13. | LSU | 323 | 26.9% | 5.9 | 1 |
| 14. | Tennessee | 321 | 26.8% | 6.2 | 1 |
| 15. | Miami (FL) | 309 | 25.8% | 4.3 | 1 |
| 16. | Auburn | 296 | 24.7% | 6.0 | 1 |
| 17. | UCLA | 222 | 18.5% | 5.8 | 1 |
| 18. | Texas A&M | 210 | 17.5% | 6.4 | 1 |
| 19. | Clemson | 200 | 16.7% | 5.0 | 1 |
| 20. | Arkansas | 199 | 16.6% | 6.8 | 1 |
| 21. | Michigan State | 188 | 15.7% | 4.9 | 1 |
| 22. | Washington | 176 | 14.7% | 5.9 | 1 |
| 23. | Wisconsin | 173 | 14.4% | 6.9 | 1 |
| 24. | Oregon | 152 | 12.7% | 5.4 | 1 |
| 25. | Georgia Tech | 146 | 12.2% | 6.3 | 2 |
Total AP Poll top-5 appearances:
| 1. | Alabama | 443 | 36.9% | 2.4 | 1 |
| 2. | Oklahoma | 430 | 35.8% | 2.7 | 1 |
| 3. | Ohio State | 405 | 33.8% | 2.7 | 1 |
| 4. | Notre Dame | 317 | 26.4% | 2.7 | 1 |
| 5. | Nebraska | 296 | 24.7% | 2.8 | 1 |
| 6. | Michigan | 293 | 24.4% | 3.4 | 1 |
| 7. | USC | 282 | 23.5% | 2.8 | 1 |
| 8. | Texas | 267 | 22.3% | 3.0 | 1 |
| 9. | Florida State | 243 | 20.3% | 2.8 | 1 |
| 10. | Miami (FL) | 204 | 17.0% | 2.4 | 1 |
| 11. | Florida | 188 | 15.7% | 3.2 | 1 |
| 12. | Penn State | 172 | 14.3% | 3.2 | 1 |
| 13. | Georgia | 156 | 13.0% | 3.3 | 1 |
| 14. | LSU | 135 | 11.3% | 3.0 | 1 |
| 15. | Auburn | 130 | 10.8% | 3.5 | 1 |
| 16. | Tennessee | 122 | 10.2% | 3.2 | 1 |
| 17. | Clemson | 117 | 9.8% | 2.7 | 1 |
| 18. | UCLA | 110 | 9.2% | 3.5 | 1 |
| 19. | Michigan State | 109 | 9.1% | 2.6 | 1 |
| 20. | Texas A&M | 82 | 6.8% | 3.8 | 1[/ |
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remarkable decade for OSU for sure. Kinda nuts to me that they just keep on crushing the coaching hires.
Even Cooper was a hell of a coach save for the fact that he couldn't beat Michigan. He had bunch of 10-11 win seasons. Tressel was a Hall of Fame coach. Urban is one of the greatest college coaches ever. And this new guy- Ryan Day- dude is a freaking demon play caller and offensive genius.
You know the top 3 TD pass single-seasons in B1G history?
1) Dwayne Haskins, 2018 - 50 TD passes
2) CJ Stroud, 2021 - 44 TD passes
3) Justin Fields, 2019 - 41 TD passes
Ridiculous.
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bama and tosu are 1/2 in win%. not sure when that happened, but it's been within last year or so.
mich is still 1 in wins (976), but bama and osu are tied for 2nd (942). bama, fwiw, has 966 on field wins with 24 being vacated/forfeited from the textbook1 and napkin/agent2 "scandals". not sure what tosu's would be without the tattoo thing (did they take away wins for that?).
1 - in 06-07 players bought textbooks with their scholarships for their non-sports friends (vacated 16 wins)
2 - in 93 cb langham played all season while ineligible. he had signed a "contract" with an agent on a napkin in a bar while drunk and partying after winning the 92 national title. (forfeited 8 wins)
OSU lost ten wins
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OSU lost ten wins
OSU shouldn't have cheated, bro. they'd still have them wins :)
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OSU shouldn't have cheated, bro. they'd still have them wins :)
Kind of funny now. They exchanged memorabilia they received at a bowl game for tattoos.
lol- now they could get paid to rep the tattoo parlor AND get tattoos.
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Kind of funny now. They exchanged memorabilia they received at a bowl game for tattoos.
lol- now they could get paid to rep the tattoo parlor AND get tattoos.
I know, just breaking balls. :)
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12 divided by 14 is .857.
13 is .929.
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If you go 14-1 one year and 11-2 the next you are .892.
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If you go 14-1 one year and 11-2 the next you are .892.
Yeah, it is REALLY tough to go .900 over a 10 year stretch which is why it has been done so few times. For the current 10 years:
- Bama is 127-12 and will finish either 128-12 (.9146) or 127-13 (.9071)
- Ohio State is 117-13 (.9000)
Ohio State has 10 less games partially because they've made less CG's and partially because of the COVID-shortened 2020 season but both are averaging just over one loss per season with Bama averaging almost 13 wins and tOSU averaging almost 12.
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I would have thought it impossible, or nearly so, which I suppose it really is. Nearly so. A decade of that? You can't have many 2 loss seasons.
Just staying with a 12 game regular season, it's tough, as 11-1 and 10-2 gets you 21-3, which doesn't cut it.
11-1, 11-1, 10-2 would be 32-4, which also is only .889.
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I would have thought it impossible, or nearly so, which I suppose it really is. Nearly so. A decade of that? You can't have many 2 loss seasons.
Just staying with a 12 game regular season, it's tough, as 11-1 and 10-2 gets you 21-3, which doesn't cut it.
11-1, 11-1, 10-2 would be 32-4, which also is only .889.
Well, it is complicated today by the flexible number of games. Between Bama and tOSU over the current 10 years (2012-2021) you have:
- One eight game year (tOSU-20) - COVID shortened season
- Two 12 game years (tOSU-12, Bama-20) - Postseason ban for tOSU, Covid for Bama
- Five 13 game years (Bama-13, tOSU-15, tOSU-16, Bama-19, tOSU-21) - 12 and a bowl
- Seven 14 game years (Bama-12, tOSU-13, Bama-14, tOSU-17, Bama-17, tOSU-18, tOSU-19) 12, a bowl, and either a CCG or an NCG
- Five 15 game years (tOSU-14, Bama-15, Bama-16, Bama-18, Bama-21) - 12 plus a CCG, plus 2 CFP
For the whole 10 years Bama averaged 14 per season while tOSU averaged 13. If you ignore the seasons shortened by COVID and postseason bans then:
- Bama averaged 14.22 games per year in a range of 13-15
- tOSU averaged 13.75 games per year in a range of 13-15
If you average 13 games then you can lose 13 games in 10 years or one every year and an extra loss roughly every three years.
If you average 14 games then you can lose 14 games in 10 years or one every year and an extra loss almost every other year.
If you average 15 games then you can lose 15 games in 10 years or exactly three every two years. This however, would require making both your CCG and the NCG EVERY year.
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Going forward, Ohio State and Alabama are the only two capable of achieving .900 or better for 2013-2022:
Ohio State:
The Buckeyes went 12-0 in 2012 so they have to replace 12 wins and ZERO losses. That makes it tough. Assuming a full season is played the Buckeyes would only make it by going undefeated (15-0). They would also make it in a somewhat shortened undefeated season so long as they won at least 12 games.
Alabama:
Bama went 13-1 in 2012 so they are replacing 13 wins and one loss. They are slightly over .900 so with a win over UGA:
- 15-0 gets them to 130-11 or .9220
- 14-1 gets them to 129-12 or .9149
- 13-1 gets them to 128-12 or .9143
- 13-2 gets them to 128-13 or .9078
- 12-2 gets them to 127-13 or .9071
- 11-2 gets them to 126-13 or .9065
- 12-3 gets them to 127-14 or .9007
- 11-3 gets them to 126-14 or .9000
- Three losses with less than 14 games or more than three losses puts them under .900.
With a loss to UGA:
- 15-0 gets them to 129-12 or .9149
- 14-1 gets them to 128-13 or .9078
- 13-1 gets them to 127-13 or .9071
- 13-2 gets them to 127-14 or .9007
- 12-2 gets them to 126-14 or .9000
- Two losses with less than 14 games or more than two losses puts them under .900.
Next closest is Clemson. If they go 15-0 in 2022 that will get them to 125-15 or .8929 for 2013-2022. After that is Oklahoma, a 15-0 season in 2022 would get them to 112-21 or .8421 for 2013-2022. None of the others could even get over .8000 for 2013-2022 let alone .9000.
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I tracked this for all the traditional helmets and a few others back to the first AP Poll. Ie, the first 10-year period that I have tracked is 1927-1936 and I tracked it for:
- tOSU
- USC
- OU
- TX
- ND
- M
- TN
- LSU
- Bama
- FSU
- PSU
- Clemson
- UF
- Miami, FL
- UNL
Those are sorted by their worst 10-year. Ohio State is far-and-away #1 on that metric.
To put this in perspective, in all of the 10-year periods from 1927-1936 through 2012-2021 here are all of the .900 decades:
- 0.9245, OU was 97-7-2 from 1948-1957
- 0.9245, OU was 97-7-2 from 1949-1958
- 0.9130, Bama was 126-12 from 2011-2020
- 0.9095, OU was 94-8-3 from 1947-1956
- 0.9071, Bama was 127-13 from 2009-2018
- 0.9071, Bama was 127-13 from 2012-2021
- 0.9000, tOSU was 117-13 from 2012-2021
Going forward, Ohio State and Alabama are the only two capable of achieving .900 or better for 2013-2022:
Ohio State:
The Buckeyes went 12-0 in 2012 so they have to replace 12 wins and ZERO losses. That makes it tough. Assuming a full season is played the Buckeyes would only make it by going undefeated (15-0). They would also make it in a somewhat shortened undefeated season so long as they won at least 12 games.
Alabama:
- 15-0 gets them to 129-12 or .9149
- 14-1 gets them to 128-13 or .9078
- 13-1 gets them to 127-13 or .9071
- 13-2 gets them to 127-14 or .9007
- 12-2 gets them to 126-14 or .9000
- Two losses with less than 14 games or more than two losses puts them under .900.
Next closest is Clemson. If they go 15-0 in 2022 that will get them to 125-15 or .8929 for 2013-2022. After that is Oklahoma, a 15-0 season in 2022 would get them to 112-21 or .8421 for 2013-2022. None of the others could even get over .8000 for 2013-2022 let alone .9000.
Updated for Bama's final 2021 record.