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The Power Five => SEC => Tennessee => Topic started by: HK_Vol on December 30, 2021, 08:34:45 PM
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Does it remind anyone else of the UT-UNC Music City Bowl in 2010?
I think Tennessee was penalized 7 times for pass interference - I think all the calls by just one ref- the back judge.
Is seven a new record for pass interference calls in a single game?
And the last call was as bad as the 2010 game.
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I put this on another site:
Might I gently suggest…
that when the ref decides forward progress has stopped, that he
BLOWS HIS FRIKKIN’ WHISTLE!!!!
The audio on the replay clearly shows that there was no whistle until AFTER the ball crossed the goal line.
But the ref gets to decide when he thought progress was stopped? After incontrovertible evidence there was no whistle?
I texted during the review: “that’s a TD. But they won’t call it.”
Right again….
I mean...
They had REPLAY. And STILL screwed the call.
Inexcusable.
Incompetence and corruption are everywhere victorious...
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Does it remind anyone else of the UT-UNC Music City Bowl in 2010?
I think Tennessee was penalized 7 times for pass interference - I think all the calls by just one ref- the back judge.
Is seven a new record for pass interference calls in a single game?
And the last call was as bad as the 2010 game.
I think Burrell was called for PI 4 of the 7.
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I think Burrell was called for PI 4 of the 7.
A couple of them were legit PI.
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I put this on another site:
Might I gently suggest…
that when the ref decides forward progress has stopped, that he
BLOWS HIS FRIKKIN’ WHISTLE!!!!
The audio on the replay clearly shows that there was no whistle until AFTER the ball crossed the goal line.
But the ref gets to decide when he thought progress was stopped? After incontrovertible evidence there was no whistle?
I texted during the review: “that’s a TD. But they won’t call it.”
Right again….
I mean...
They had REPLAY. And STILL screwed the call.
Inexcusable.
Incompetence and corruption are everywhere victorious...
Volnation? If it wasn’t you someone else posted something very similar.
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A couple of them were legit PI.
At least 2 were but to have 4 called. He’s not a very good DB anyway.
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It was interesting to me that Purdue DB’s could molest our WR’s, grab the waist of our WR pants (like the one that wasn’t called in OT), etc…. The refs were horrible and apparently saw all of UT’s fouls but ignored many of Purdue’s. I saw Purdue blatantly holding our D players and the refs were blind to it all.
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They didn't call obvious holds by Purdue DBs against Tillman though....I thought that Hooker had overthrown him, but it appears that Tillman was running at half speed due to the hold.
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Referee? Jerry Magallanes.....where have I heard that name before?
Oh yeah....
https://www.al.com/sports/2015/11/acc_suspends_miami-duke_offici.html
ACC suspends Miami-Duke officiating crew 2 games for 'series of errors' on wild final play
SNIP:
The ACC announced Sunday that the entire officiating crew from the game, including referee Jerry Magallanes and replay official Andrew Panucci, has been suspended two games for a "series of errors" during and after the final play. Miami's 30-27 victory will stand, however.
"The quality of our officiating program is of the highest importance to the league and its schools, and the last play of the game was not handled appropriately," said ACC Commissioner John Swofford.
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Rob Luklan was the back judge who called almost all (all?) of the Pass Interference calls.
https://accsports.com/teams/duke/who-is-jerry-magallanes/
SNIP:
Magallanes and his crew have remained fairly intact over the last two seasons. Terrance Ramsay, Robert Luklan, Michael McCarthy and Tracy Lynch have all been with Magallanes. Lynch moved to a different position this season, from linesman to center judge.
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Yall realize UT basically flipped the NCAA the bird over Pruitts bags of cash... many schools are doing so for other circumstances. A matter of fact some coaches are straight up talking smack about the NCAA on camera (see NCST coach response about UCLA hiding behind the Kung fu flu).
I'd be interested to see if the schools suffering from consistently bad refereeing are ones who've all but told the NCAA to pound sand.
Of course UT has been on their shit list since the mid nineties when the professor on campus made claims the NCAA investigated and investigated and investigated. . And investigated... and found nothing.
Self investigate? Self report? Go eff yourself NCAA... (ncaa says "yeah, well, that was pass interference big guy, and though a whistle wasn't blown our mind reading software determined the line judge was thinking forward progress was stopped already. He decided that as a course of potential action and contingency even prior to the snap truth be told)...
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I am thinking just too many bad calls to be coincidence? Are these games fixed? This one sure seemed to be. I am losing interest in watching this bullshit.
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I think the last straw for me was when UNC was giving college credits to players who never, ever showed up in the classroom and never took a test. They "investigated it" and then just ignored it until it went away.
I've zero time for the NCAA.
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I think the last straw for me was when UNC was giving college credits to players who never, ever showed up in the classroom and never took a test. They "investigated it" and then just ignored it until it went away.
I've zero time for the NCAA.
LSU and Memphis escapades of the past few years turned me against the NCAA
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At least the Lady Vols beat Bama 62-44 https://utsports.com/news/2021/12/30/womens-basketball-no-7-9-ut-opens-sec-play-with-62-44-win-over-alabama.aspx
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Volnation? If it wasn’t you someone else posted something very similar.
Are you Volrage on Volnation as well?
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Volnation? If it wasn’t you someone else posted something very similar.
Rocky Top Talk.
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Yall realize UT basically flipped the NCAA the bird over Pruitts bags of cash... many schools are doing so for other circumstances. A matter of fact some coaches are straight up talking smack about the NCAA on camera (see NCST coach response about UCLA hiding behind the Kung fu flu).
I'd be interested to see if the schools suffering from consistently bad refereeing are ones who've all but told the NCAA to pound sand.
Of course UT has been on their shit list since the mid nineties when the professor on campus made claims the NCAA investigated and investigated and investigated. . And investigated... and found nothing.
Self investigate? Self report? Go eff yourself NCAA... (ncaa says "yeah, well, that was pass interference big guy, and though a whistle wasn't blown our mind reading software determined the line judge was thinking forward progress was stopped already. He decided that as a course of potential action and contingency even prior to the snap truth be told)...
"...and though a whistle wasn't blown our mind reading software determined the line judge was thinking forward progress was stopped already."
Perfect.
Was trying to come up with a way to describe it. You did.
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WI like Heupel, a lot. He has changed the culture and made the Vols fun to watch and cheer for again.
However, his end of half and end of game play selection and clock management may be the worst I’ve ever seen.
That game should have been ended by an easy FG in regulation, but for some unfathomable reason —- our coach is unaware that he can take timeouts, and that he needed only about 10-15 yards for a manageable FG attempt for the win. Instead, he inexplicably opts for 2 straight low percentage go routes to the end zone, when 10 yds and 3 pts would do the job.
Apparently, Heupel is unable to take his foot off the gas, or go conservative, when is is completely warranted, and the only logical option.
Yes, we were screwed by the refs, especially in OT, but it never had to get to that point. Tempt fate long enough, and fate wins. Fate won.
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Are you Volrage on Volnation as well?
I am.
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That game should have been ended by an easy FG in regulation, but for some unfathomable reason —- our coach is unaware that he can take timeouts, and that he needed only about 10-15 yards for a manageable FG attempt for the win. Instead, he inexplicably opts for 2 straight low percentage go routes to the end zone, when 10 yds and 3 pts would do the job.
Apparently, Heupel is unable to take his foot off the gas, or go conservative, when is is completely warranted, and the only logical option.
Yes, we were screwed by the refs, especially in OT, but it never had to get to that point. Tempt fate long enough, and fate wins. Fate won.
That was my frustration with the game as well which I voiced on Volnation. Along with how pathetic our defense was today.
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I am.
I am Doberman over there.
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Nichols: Officiating Decided Music City Bowl Outcome, But Vols Will Still Decide Their Own Future Under Heupel
And that’s a very good thing from this vantage point.
https://www.si.com/college/tennessee/football/nichols-officiating-decided-music-city-bowl-outcome-but-vols-will-still-decide-their-own-future-under-heupel
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Let me begin by saying I was at the 2010 Music City Bowl against North Carolina.
What I and so many others witnessed in Purdue’s 48-45 Thursday night win was worse than that — by a lot.
To be quite frank, the majority of the words I’d use to describe what unfolded in the final moments can be seen in Josh Heupel’s viral response after officials relayed their decision regarding the forward progress call that will live in infamy.
In other (read: Heupel’s) words? “You’ve got to be f***ing kidding me.
Because Jaylen Wright scored a touchdown.
Point blank. Period. The end.
You’ve all seen the tweets by now. Social media has exploded in the hours since the call was made, and almost every take has, in essence, the same answer: “Tennessee was robbed and that was a touchdown.”
Never accept another Music City Bowl bid ever again.
Because two of the last three to involve the Vols have been botched beyond comprehension.
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WI like Heupel, a lot. He has changed the culture and made the Vols fun to watch and cheer for again.
However, his end of half and end of game play selection and clock management may be the worst I’ve ever seen.
That game should have been ended by an easy FG in regulation, but for some unfathomable reason —- our coach is unaware that he can take timeouts, and that he needed only about 10-15 yards for a manageable FG attempt for the win. Instead, he inexplicably opts for 2 straight low percentage go routes to the end zone, when 10 yds and 3 pts would do the job.
Apparently, Heupel is unable to take his foot off the gas, or go conservative, when is is completely warranted, and the only logical option.
Yes, we were screwed by the refs, especially in OT, but it never had to get to that point. Tempt fate long enough, and fate wins. Fate won.
Can't argue with any of that.
But buddy, if Hooker doesn't overthrow a WIPE OPEN Jones by 5-10 yards...
(Ugh)
We're hoisting a victory toast.
Players got to make plays...
Also -- our RB plunges three yards deep in the end zone -- no controversy.
BUT:
We had 25 tranfers -- some starting at Bama; playing at OU... A new coach. A radically new system.
Yet -- we lost three games that you can make a STRONG case were due to shitty officiating.
To two top-15 teams. And a 9-win team. None of which had the same sort of issues we had.
And we're an RCH from being 10-3.
Let's see what ol' pedal-to-the-metal can do next year... ( ^ ;
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Let's hope the portal is good to us..
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Let's hope the portal is good to us..
Yes, we need it.
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Watching the last few minutes of that game unfold was like watching a slow moving car wreck...You knew it was going to end badly for us.
The picture of Tillman's jersey being pulled like a chord on a bus to stop is gut wrenching; no PI call....
We stopped their receivers forward progress, but he gets loose and scores, no problem, but our guy scores, big problem...
It just sucked big time...
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Dunno about the Music City Bowl, but if I was running things at Tennessee, I'd simply refuse to play if that same officiating crew was announced to call the game. I'd demand a change in crew or the team simply won't show up.
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Dunno about the Music City Bowl, but if I was running things at Tennessee, I'd simply refuse to play if that same officiating crew was announced to call the game. I'd demand a change in crew or the team simply won't show up.
That playing surface alone should be plenty of reason to never play in the game again
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Dunno about the Music City Bowl, but if I was running things at Tennessee, I'd simply refuse to play if that same officiating crew was announced to call the game. I'd demand a change in crew or the team simply won't show up.
Vegas has been chirping about announcing the officiating crew the week prior when lines are opened- the officiating is that bad. Of course the NCAA has decided announcing the crew early would invite cheating by targeting the officials.
There is humor here. I dont like it, though.
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Referee? Jerry Magallanes.....where have I heard that name before?
Oh yeah....
https://www.al.com/sports/2015/11/acc_suspends_miami-duke_offici.html
ACC suspends Miami-Duke officiating crew 2 games for 'series of errors' on wild final play
SNIP:
The ACC announced Sunday that the entire officiating crew from the game, including referee Jerry Magallanes and replay official Andrew Panucci, has been suspended two games for a "series of errors" during and after the final play. Miami's 30-27 victory will stand, however.
"The quality of our officiating program is of the highest importance to the league and its schools, and the last play of the game was not handled appropriately," said ACC Commissioner John Swofford.
Makes you wonder how an officiating crew would be rewarded with a bowl game after being suspended for incompetency.
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https://twitter.com/BSSportsbook/status/1476715729198141441
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Yep unlike the SEC the ACC does suspend crews for F'ing up.
I told my wife at the beginning the refs were cheating TN especially on spotting the ball. One especially always marked TN a yard short and Purdue a yard long.
It wasn't just the refs though there was a lot of bad decisions in the passing game by Hooker and the coaches weren't helping.
The last drive Heupel either didn't tell Hooker all they needed was to get into decent field goal range or he didn't understand the situation because he threw two bombs that should never have been thrown trying to be a hero.
But we could say all the money must have been on Tennessee to cover the spread. Bookies don't lose they make sure of it.
Also, the refs were probably getting even for both TN and KY embarrassing Carolina in basketball.
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I agree that UT had some poor defense and poor offensive execution.
But you are right about the ball spotting and a couple of the Pass Interference calls on our DBs were dubious (a couple of them were correct) whereas the blatant holding of Tillman went uncalled.
Don't know why they had something against Tennessee, but it certainly appeared that way. Even a Purdue guy admitted as much.
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The last drive Heupel either didn't tell Hooker all they needed was to get into decent field goal range or he didn't understand the situation because he threw two bombs that should never have been thrown trying to be a hero.
Boom!!!! You nailed it. I said it many times last night and posted it several times on Volnation. Hooker was trying to hard to be the hero. Hooker last night was like a ball hog BB player that becomes too infatuated with the 3 point shot on a bad night. They ain’t dropping but he keeps throwing up the bombs hoping he can be the hero in the end. Sometimes it ends better when the QB takes what’s given to him instead of forcing the play. With 20 seconds left Hooker could’ve thrown 2 quick 5 to 8 yard passes toward the center of the field and gotten closer for the FG kicker. But nooooo, he’s got to be the hero and it cost us the game.
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WI like Heupel, a lot. He has changed the culture and made the Vols fun to watch and cheer for again.
However, his end of half and end of game play selection and clock management may be the worst I’ve ever seen.
That game should have been ended by an easy FG in regulation, but for some unfathomable reason —- our coach is unaware that he can take timeouts, and that he needed only about 10-15 yards for a manageable FG attempt for the win. Instead, he inexplicably opts for 2 straight low percentage go routes to the end zone, when 10 yds and 3 pts would do the job.
Apparently, Heupel is unable to take his foot off the gas, or go conservative, when is is completely warranted, and the only logical option.
Yes, we were screwed by the refs, especially in OT, but it never had to get to that point. Tempt fate long enough, and fate wins. Fate won.
It appears Small was hurt and took himself out, hence Wright went in at a crucial time.
Hooker was off after a tackle, but still was a better option than Joe. He appeared to be only looking to one side late in the game last night instead of the entire field, Makes me wonder what is going on.
Earlier this year we saw Heupel take the foot off and go conservative. I doubt we will hear much about why he did what he did. Could be the short routes were not there but we had a opening down the sides. With the little time left a scramble would have taken more time and the lanes did not at first appear to be there. I know on one of the last tow passes a defender got a piece of the ball, just enough to throw it off.
Going into the season, we knew we were not only thin on D, but limited talent in critical areas as well. Same on O but not as bad. Add in we had extremely limited depth as well. Before the season started many picked us to only win 2-3 games, we could have won 9 regular season games. A bowl game was not on our horizon for maybe two seasons. The team never quit. They fought. Some of the players who could go pro are coming back.This a team to be proud of.
We won't really have a idea of Coaches ceiling for another season or two. We have to get some depth, some talent first for the coaches to work with. The indicators are we do coach players up. Are there some assistants that need replaced, not sure given with what they have had to work with both on and off the field. Just changing the mindset was a tall order and that seems to be well on its way to being done.
I am already looking forward to next season. Go Vols.
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As bad as the D was last night I don’t think Banks is going anywhere. We need more talent and better depth there and then he can truly evaluated. Heupel will keep the staff in tact for consistency. Players like that. That don’t want to play for a team that is consistently a coaching carousel.
What struck me last night was our players “conditioning”. They are conditioned for a marathon but they lack strength and power. The Purdue players weren’t conditioned for the marathon but when they really needed to dig in, their players were stronger and pushed us around. Our guys need to hit the weights in a bad way. I’m 52 years old and stopped lifting a while back but I’d bet that if I hit the gym hard for 6 months I’d be able to lift more than half the Vol team and that’s the sad state our lifting program is in. I remember the days when our players looked chiseled. Today they’re flabby.
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Love this. Hilarious. He can replace worthless Bob today.
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