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Title: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 21, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
May as well start it.

There is a ton of smoke out there that OL coach Joe Rudolph is leaving UW. The story is that both he and is headed to VT.

OL has not been developing lately, and one of the best OL coaches in the country is coaching the UW ILB's (and doing great at it).
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 21, 2021, 08:30:13 AM
Wisconsin football assistant Joe Rudoph targeted by Virginia Tech (jsonline.com) (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2021/12/20/wisconsin-football-assistant-joe-rudoph-targeted-virginia-tech/8978458002/)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 21, 2021, 08:38:04 AM
That would prolly be a good fit,always liked VT
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2021, 08:48:48 AM
Do all those gigantic OLs hit the portal?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 21, 2021, 08:59:09 AM
It's the Holidays stop that BB,give the Bastages a panic attack
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 21, 2021, 09:18:38 AM
Do all those gigantic OLs hit the portal?
I don't think so. The replacement is on staff.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 21, 2021, 10:02:47 AM
damn, Frost needs an O-line in the worst way
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2022, 01:34:43 PM
It's official. Rudy is headed to VT.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2022, 01:37:50 PM
UW will be replacing two high-quality starters next year, at LG and RT.

The starting LT in 2021 announced today that he is coming back for a 6th season. Tyler Beach. I'm not sure why, unless he really believes he's an NFL player and wants to try and get drafted. 

He was bad this season, and injured, but the OL coach was very loyal and played him. That won't happen with a new OL coach. The best 5 will play, no matter what.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 04, 2022, 12:18:44 PM
I'm pleased this is pinned, but ... 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2022, 05:18:16 PM
Leo Chenal is headed to the NFL draft. Huge loss in the middle of the defense there.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 04, 2022, 05:29:12 PM
Leo Chenal is headed to the NFL draft. Huge loss in the middle of the defense there.
I’d kinda already written him off. Woulda loved him back, but just seemed like he was moving on.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2022, 05:47:47 PM
I thought there might be a chance, but I can't blame him. 

Another 3* All-American.

Let's hope his brother comes back. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 04, 2022, 10:48:29 PM
I am very confused about all of these announcements, because of the covid year that didn't count. Michigan State had a kid announce for the draft, that basically equated to him saying he wasn't using his 6th year.  He's not getting drafted, but he has a degree, and some kids don't feel like being a 24 year old college kids. Under normal circumstances, he'd just be done without having to announce it.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 05, 2022, 05:24:34 AM
Leo Chenal has 2 years left, if he wanted them. Played 3, + Covid year credit.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 05, 2022, 09:34:06 AM
I am very confused about all of these announcements, because of the covid year that didn't count. Michigan State had a kid announce for the draft, that basically equated to him saying he wasn't using his 6th year.  He's not getting drafted, but he has a degree, and some kids don't feel like being a 24 year old college kids. Under normal circumstances, he'd just be done without having to announce it.
Yeah, it’s odd. 

I saw a few where a sixth year guy wanted to say thanks for all the years but phrased it like “I’m going to the draft.”

Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 06, 2022, 11:18:12 AM
Things I would like to see on the coaching staff:

OL Coach: 

Bob Bostad. Currently the ILB coach on the staff, and a damn good one. Hate to lose him there, but he is one of the best OL coaches in the game. Time to move back.

ILB coach: 

Either give Bobby April all of the LB's, or have he and Leonhard co-coach the LB's. 

Another possibility on the staff is current ST coach Chris Hearing, as he coached ILB's under PC at Pitt. 

Either that, or just move on from him altogether. His ST units have been largely underwhelming since he has been up there.

QB Coach:

It's clear PC cannot be the HC, OC and QB coach all at the same time. It's too much and the QB's need a dedicated coach. That is clear.

I'm all-in for bringing in Scott Tolzien here. Yes, he is a former Badger QB and played under PC. He was developed by PC, and developed very well. He also has perspective from his 7 NFL seasons. He is currently an analyst with the Dallas Cowboys, and before that was an analyst at UW for a very productive 2019 season.

Jim Leonhard gets Rudolph's associate head coach position.

Need a change on ST coaching. 

This is clear. The question is whether PC will let his best buddy go. I hope so. It's time.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 06, 2022, 12:56:14 PM
Yeah, it’s odd.

I saw a few where a sixth year guy wanted to say thanks for all the years but phrased it like “I’m going to the draft.”


Yeah, sometimes 24 year olds are just ready to move on with life.

I get why they did it.  They were worried too many guys would opt out of 2020 if they wound up missing a bunch of games, or games got cancelled due to COVID, and it burned a year of eligibility.  But it really created a bad roster management situation going forward.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 06, 2022, 06:18:13 PM
FB John Chenal not coming back for a 5th year. Gonna try to crack an NFL roster. I'm guessing he will do just that.

Another big blow to the roster.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 06, 2022, 09:32:29 PM
Yeah, sometimes 24 year olds are just ready to move on with life.

I get why they did it.  They were worried too many guys would opt out of 2020 if they wound up missing a bunch of games, or games got cancelled due to COVID, and it burned a year of eligibility.  But it really created a bad roster management situation going forward.
No, I meant the kids that were already done. They just have the staff give them a graphic because it's cool. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 06, 2022, 09:45:59 PM
FB John Chenal not coming back for a 5th year. Gonna try to crack an NFL roster. I'm guessing he will do just that.

Another big blow to the roster.
I'm ... not the most concerned? I mean, if there's one thing I think UW can develop, it's a fullback. 

Roster coming back is interesting. 

RB - If Mellusi comes back at a similar level, backfield is gonna be fierce.

OL - Not good this year, but lord there is star talent. And about to be a good OL coach. Not perfect, but that math is not bad

TE/FB - Unknown city. Everyone got hurt this year. Lotta size, lotta 3-stars, someone's gotta step up. 

WR - Intersting spot. Dike has star ability, needs a step this offseason. Markus Allen is the next-most talented guy and got some work in the bowl. Like his potential. If there's a portal place to look it's here (maybe TE if you can find the right guy)

QB - So much talent locked up in that guy. Maybe a new QB coach helps. What we know is, he's not developed faster than a LOT of UW QBs, but a few blossomed in Year 4. The issues with the efficiency passing game the past few years is simply put, not what this team can afford. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 07, 2022, 01:51:45 PM
He needs guys to throw at, and he needs protection. Most of all, he needs a coach.

Not sure how a guy can be a HC, OC and QB coach all at the same time. PC should have cut bait last year with Rudy.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 07, 2022, 02:11:39 PM
I have always been impressed with Wisconsin’s ability to reload and develop players.  It has been remarkably consistent 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 07, 2022, 07:49:11 PM
ILB Jack Sanborn declares for the draft. Not shocking at all.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2022, 01:13:13 PM
Lots of names floating around out there for the offensive coaching position(s).

Don't know how this is all going shake out, but it seems like Bostad to OL coach and run game coordinator is a done deal.

As for other coaches being bantered about:

Bobby Engram (Ravens TE coach) (Like this one, for OC. Son plays for UW too. Coached WR w/ PC at Pitt.)

Scott Tolzien (Cowboys offensive assistant) (Like this one too, for QB. Groom for OC. Played for PC at UW.)

Darrell Bevell (Jacksonville interim coach) (I don't believe this one at all, and would not like it if true.)

Rod Carey (last job was HC Temple) (Madison native. Played OL at IU. I'm kinda Meh here.)

Kenny Hill (QB TCU) (No thanks on this one.)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 17, 2022, 04:33:24 PM

Bobby Engram (Ravens TE coach) (Like this one, for OC. Son plays for UW too. Coached WR w/ PC at Pitt.)

Scott Tolzien (Cowboys offensive assistant) (Like this one too, for QB. Groom for OC. Played for PC at UW.)

Darrell Bevell (Jacksonville interim coach) (I don't believe this one at all, and would not like it if true.)

Rod Carey (last job was HC Temple) (Madison native. Played OL at IU. I'm kinda Meh here.)

Kenny Hill (QB TCU) (No thanks on this one.)

Less interested in Engram, though I'd be interested in how the staff shakes out.

Tolzien is just plug and play. Would be happy enough, though not all that interesting. 

No idea what Bevell would bring. Generally disinterested. You'd probably need to give him the whole offense. He's run a Wisconsin-esque thing in the NFL. Sounds nice name-wise, but doesn't make much sense.

I don't know where you'd fit Carey in. He's an OL guy through and through. I guess you could bring him to work with TEs. Outside Wisconsin-Stout, he's been an OC for all of one year since 2007, and that was running the remnants of Matt Canada's offense. His NIU scheme was interesting, but it it a far jump from UW and not in a meshable way. 

I kinda like Kenny Hill, actually, depending on the role. If he's running the whole show ... ehh. If he's working with QBs and bringing some flavor from that Cumbie style, I think there could be some mesh elements there. Not perfect, but I'm at least intrigued. 

If any QB guy comes in, I trust Chryst has a good sense for how that could go. I don't think they're running out Turner, and I still think they WR coach is good, but we'll see. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2022, 04:39:41 PM
I like Engram at OC only. PC can handle the QB room.

Engram has a lot of experience working within a power offense (Ravens). The feature the RB's and TE's. Seems like a fit.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 21, 2022, 06:35:11 PM
Why would Bevell leave the NFL to be an assistant coach in college ball? Don't see that.

While he probably would have liked to be a head coach by now (he was an OC for the Vikings way back in 2007 IIRC), the NFL pays better and has better players. Why step down?

Tolzien seems like a nice fit and a decent opportunity for him. As a guy who had to work harder and rely less on talent, he seems like he could be the kind of person Mertz needs to listen to.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 21, 2022, 11:56:27 PM
Sounds like Engram is the favorite. Interested to see what he brings. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 22, 2022, 08:11:57 AM
Why would Bevell leave the NFL to be an assistant coach in college ball? Don't see that.

While he probably would have liked to be a head coach by now (he was an OC for the Vikings way back in 2007 IIRC), the NFL pays better and has better players. Why step down?

Tolzien seems like a nice fit and a decent opportunity for him. As a guy who had to work harder and rely less on talent, he seems like he could be the kind of person Mertz needs to listen to.
Yeah, I'm not even sure why Bevell was being mentioned by the writers. He doesn't strike me as a guy who'd want to recruit.

I would like to see Scott in Madison again, but not as an OC. A couple of years as a QB-focused analyst would be good.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 22, 2022, 09:08:33 AM
Yeah, I'm not even sure why Bevell was being mentioned by the writers. He doesn't strike me as a guy who'd want to recruit.

I would like to see Scott in Madison again, but not as an OC. A couple of years as a QB-focused analyst would be good.
Analyst? He’s past that now on the career ladder. 

You’d have to make him “QB coach” though what that meant behind the scenes could be flexible. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 22, 2022, 09:38:29 AM
Yeah, kinda like Melhaff's role with the kickers. That's what I'm thinking, unless they would kick Haering to the curb and let Turner coach ST.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on January 22, 2022, 08:04:19 PM
Wisconsin is working to solve its offensive issues.
Wisconsin reportedly targeting an NFL assistant for offensive coordinator opening (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/wisconsin-reportedly-targeting-an-nfl-assistant-for-offensive-coordinator-opening/ar-AAT2sfa?ocid=msedgntp)
Iowa is doing nothing to solve its offensive problems. Wisconsin will continue dominating the West.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 25, 2022, 07:17:06 PM
Twitter alive with news that Badgers are legitimate contenders to land transfer QB Caleb Williams!

That would be pretty cool!
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 25, 2022, 08:27:45 PM
(https://videopostercdn.weigelbroadcasting.com/cbs58news/curburger%20a%20reality_1634141155-CBS58%20980x551.jpg?1634141196)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 25, 2022, 08:29:32 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/report-wisconsin-emerges-as-serious-contender-to-land-oklahoma-transfer-caleb-williams/ar-AAT8GtT
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 25, 2022, 08:35:50 PM
[img width=361.81 height=281]https://videopostercdn.weigelbroadcasting.com/cbs58news/curburger%20a%20reality_1634141155-CBS58%20980x551.jpg?1634141196[/img]
38% of UW fans are more psyched about this than Caleb Williams.  Culver's fans ride hard for them.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 25, 2022, 08:38:11 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/report-wisconsin-emerges-as-serious-contender-to-land-oklahoma-transfer-caleb-williams/ar-AAT8GtT
What does "serious contender" mean?  I assume what has been a top 15 program for two decades now is a serious contender for a lot of guys.  My guess is this means "favorite", but writers don't want to get burned.  And they know that most readers are too dumb to not be surprised that UW is a "serious contender", so they go with that, to still get clicks, but aren't wrong if he changes his mind.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 25, 2022, 08:45:39 PM
I'm traveling to Wisconsin for the weekend

going to help a buddy jar his annual batch of Sauerkraut 

and drink many Budweisers and watch football
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2022, 04:22:53 PM
Well now...

(https://i.imgur.com/RhxcK8P.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2022, 04:23:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/E0nPM4f.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2022, 08:21:50 AM
Williams to UW is not happening. UW could not put together enough NIL money. Boosters raised $350K in two days, but it wasn't enough.

Williams will now focus on a new top choice, now that UW is out.

I know some people are happy with all of this NIL and transfer shit, but here we are. This absolutely sucks. That UW was even in this thing makes me feel kinda dirty.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2022, 09:42:18 AM
I know some people are happy with all of this NIL and transfer shit, but here we are. This absolutely sucks. That UW was even in this thing makes me feel kinda dirty.
The whole thing is just sad.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2022, 04:06:32 PM
Things are changing again... Sounds like the money is not the big issue, as was reported by Rivals.

The kid wants to be Russell Wilson.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2022, 10:09:12 PM
good luck
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 02, 2022, 10:11:00 PM
FF where ya been?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2022, 10:15:23 PM
working

road warrior stuff

lots of hours, but fun
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2022, 08:00:21 AM
UW made some staff announcements yesterday, and it looks great.

We know about Engram as the new OC, but we now know he will also coach tight ends, which he coached in Baltimore.

UW's TE coach, Mickey Turner, will now be director of recruiting. I love this move, for many reasons. This guy knows how to connect with kids, and allows Engram to step in at TE.

Bob Bostad was formally announced as the new OL coach. Not a well kept secret. Best OL coach UW has ever had, and it's not close.

Bill Sheridan was introduced as the ILB coach, replacing Bostad in that role. Great hire, and likely a stop gap given his age and such. Chris Orr will likely be groomed as his replacement in 3-4 years (only my opinion).
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2022, 02:08:16 PM
That's the spirit, kiddo.


(https://i.imgur.com/zJnOz97.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2022, 02:38:40 PM
That's the spirit, kiddo.


(https://i.imgur.com/zJnOz97.png)
You wouldn't prefer he said 12/3 ?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Nah. Gotta beat the Goophs for the season to be a success.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2022, 09:03:09 AM
UW has posted another job opening for an offensive coach.

This means RB coach Gary Brown can no longer coach. He's been battling health issues and is a cancer patient.

Too bad. I really liked him. Hopefully they can keep him on staff to help with recruiting.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2022, 06:50:44 AM
2022 UW coaching staff:

HC: Paul Chryst

OC/QB: Bobby Engram*
DC/S: Jim Leonhard

OL/RGC: Bob Bostad**
RB: Al Johnson*
WR: Alvis Whitted
TE: Chris Haering**

DL: Ross Kolodziej
ILB: Bill Sheridan*
OLB: Bobby April
CB: Hank Poteat

* New hire
** New role

Special teams will be by committee.

The only thing I don't like here is retaining Haering (also the only one on staff who never played or coached in the NFL). 

Everything else is good.

Recruiting staff is led by Mickey Turner**, and it is rapidly growing.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2022, 07:09:09 AM
OL Depth Chart:

LT: Jack Nelson, Nolan Rucci
LG: Tyler Beach, Trey Wedig
C: Joe Tippmann, Cormac Sampson
RG: Michael Furtney, Tanner Bortoloini
RT: Logan Brown, Riley Mahlman

I know how Bostad works. The best 5 will be on the field, period. UW generally only recruits tackles, so this is all plug and play.

Lots of STARZ in the above list.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 07, 2022, 08:51:19 AM
He's saying the right things. From Badger 247:


When the Wisconsin men's basketball team hosted rival Minnesota on Jan. 30, many fans in the crowd of 17,287 were focused on a storyline encircling the football program.

Those people craved Caleb Williams (https://247sports.com/Player/Caleb-Williams-46040610), the former Oklahoma star quarterback who entered the transfer portal after the 2021 season.

The story stemmed from multiple reports, including one from 247Sports, indicating that there was mutual interest between UW and Williams. But the craze reached truly preposterous levels and hit somewhat of a boiling point that Sunday afternoon at the Kohl Center. Some fans chanted for Williams. Others held paper signs, one of them saying, "I'll give my tuition $ to Caleb Williams."
Two days later, Williams brought everyone back down to earth. He chose USC, the expected destination, where he reunited with former Sooners coach (https://247sports.com/Coach/Lincoln-Riley-592)Lincoln Riley (https://247sports.com/Coach/Lincoln-Riley-592). In Wisconsin, the attention went back to (https://247sports.com/Player/Graham-Mertz-46038869)Graham Mertz (https://247sports.com/Player/Graham-Mertz-46038869), who enters his third season as the Badgers' starter with plenty to prove after an underwhelming sophomore campaign.
"It's a coach's job to find the best player," Mertz said Monday when asked about the Williams rumors. "What am I going to say? 'Oh, no, I deserve this.' I don't deserve everything. I have to prove it every day. I have to prove it's my job. That's what I am going to do. It's what I've always done."


...

Mertz revisited the film from each game multiple times this offseason, dissecting his turnovers and performances with head coach (https://247sports.com/Coach/Paul-Chryst-138)Paul Chryst (https://247sports.com/Coach/Paul-Chryst-138), graduate assistant (https://247sports.com/Player/Keller-Chryst-21159)Keller Chryst (https://247sports.com/Player/Keller-Chryst-21159) and offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach (https://247sports.com/coach/Bobby-Engram-1378)Bobby Engram (https://247sports.com/Coach/Bobby-Engram-1378). Mertz pulled different details out of each session.

"I think it just comes down to the details," Mertz said. "You go through the tape, and it's the little things. It's the footwork, the ball being an inch out (on the handoff) against Penn State) and it hits the fullback. For me, it's the little details we have to emphasize every day and just hone in on the ball security as a unit."
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 13, 2022, 05:04:22 PM
Well that was a short tenure.

Wisconsin aide Bill Sheridan resigns for rules violations at Air Force (jsonline.com) (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/05/13/wisconsin-badgers-linebackers-coach-bill-sheridan-resigns-rules-violations-air-force/9767013002/)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2022, 08:08:35 AM
And they hire Mark D'Onofrio for the ILB job. Hasn't worked since being fired by Houston (DC/ILB) after the 2018 season. Houston choked up almost 500 points that year. 

Not inspiring at all.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2022, 08:58:28 AM
Some chatter out there that he is being hired as an analyst. This would be fine. Guy hasn't worked in 4 years.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2022, 09:03:30 AM
analyst = assistant coach
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2022, 09:10:48 AM
And not on the field. Which is fine.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2022, 09:20:58 AM
right
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 07, 2022, 02:52:11 PM
And they hire Mark D'Onofrio for the ILB job. Hasn't worked since being fired by Houston (DC/ILB) after the 2018 season. Houston choked up almost 500 points that year.

Not inspiring at all.
Ehh. He’s a linebacker coach who did the job forever. And he’s a June fill in after someone else got fired. If he was a god DC, he wouldn’t be taking this job, right?

I suppose I’ll eat my words if that position of strength goes to hell.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 08, 2022, 07:47:55 AM
Well I hope you're right because he is now confirmed a the coach of the most important unit on that defense.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2022, 01:54:53 PM
So far the starting Oline:

LT Jack Nelson
LG Tyler Beach
C Joe Tippmann
RG Michael Furtney
RT Logan Brown

It was disclosed to today that Logan Brown has diabetes. He said as much in an interview with reporters. This explains why he has not seen the field much, to date.

He is being pushed hard by Riley Mahlman, another highly ranked OL recruit.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on August 29, 2022, 11:14:02 AM
Wisconsin QB Chase Wolf injured.

https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/29/report-wisconsin-qb-chase-wolf-suffers-potential-season-ending-injury/ (https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/29/report-wisconsin-qb-chase-wolf-suffers-potential-season-ending-injury/)


A freshman and RS freshman behind Mertz now?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2022, 11:34:45 AM
Yep. RSF Deacon Hill will travel with the team now.

Looks like Wolf's UW days might be over.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2022, 11:39:47 AM
The UW QB room is thin. Howe is a walk-on.

(https://i.imgur.com/WxptrW9.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 29, 2022, 11:44:20 AM
Feel bad for the kid. He was almost assuredly never gonna be better than just a clipboard holder and filler who mostly knew what he was doing.

So not really an on-field loss, but not great either.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2022, 12:08:13 PM
Depth chart is out, and Wolf is on it. Not sure why this is.

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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2022, 12:10:40 PM
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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 29, 2022, 12:14:41 PM
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That sucks.  
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on August 29, 2022, 12:14:47 PM
I had never heard of an "analyst" in CFB as part of a team until 2-3 years ago.

Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 29, 2022, 04:04:32 PM
Depth chart is out, and Wolf is on it. Not sure why this is.

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No huge surprises here, but Logan Brown not grabbing the starting RT spot probably solidifies his status as a ratings bust. 5* OT's don't end up as career backups.

Look at that OL. Shortest guy is 6-5 and the lightest is 310.

I think Peterson is going to pass Goetz at the OLB spot sooner than later.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 25, 2022, 11:26:52 AM
Time to circle the wagons here.

Since 2019, this Wisconsin program is in decline. Those kids did not even belong on the same field as Ohio State last night. It looked like 2014 in Indy - after which UW started to make a climb as a program.

The standard is 10 wins and a NYD6 bowl game. That seems so unattainable at this time it's not even being discussed. 

Fans are hoping for 7 wins.

And here we are.

Changes need to be made. If not, UW will fall back to what it was prior to what King Barry built. 

Not Don Morton bad, but a perennial 6-6/7-5/8-4 team.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on September 25, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
Bert should’ve never left Wisconsin. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 25, 2022, 11:40:54 AM
he might come back
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 25, 2022, 11:41:55 AM
Not a chance.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 25, 2022, 11:44:25 AM
desperation makes for strange bed fellows  
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 25, 2022, 12:07:42 PM
Bert was willing to take Berry's foundation and build on it. The Russell Wilson era, with a mobile QB who could throw as a primary example. 

With Chryst the plan seems to be to get back to exactly what they had under Alvarez, and just kinda keep it there in that same space. No innovation necessary. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 25, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
Bert should’ve never left Wisconsin.
With prudent scouting/recruitng and the portal UW can get back to the thick of things. The conference is better when the Camp is rocking, late student section an all. If PC doesn't work,maybe Canada,Aranda or Leonard. Not sure running PC off right now is the answer,the program needs shrewd recruiters and keep corraling the big uglies - IMHO
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 25, 2022, 12:33:30 PM
he might come back
Robinson tried it at USC and Bill Snyder at K-State. But they didn't torch bridges on the way out
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 25, 2022, 12:57:03 PM
desperation makes for strange bed fellows 
Trust me. It will never happen. He did himself no favors on the way out, and the big money didn't like him from the beginning.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 25, 2022, 02:01:57 PM
Time to circle the wagons here.

Since 2019, this Wisconsin program is in decline.

I'm with you, and was bored by last nights game Vs Ohio State until turning to other games once the score was 21-0. I believe the decline since 2019 has been masked in the W/L column by beating up on outmanned West division opponents.

It’s one thing to for Wisconsin to lose to Ohio State. Pretty much everybody in the Big Ten is several notches behind what the Buckeyes put on the field. I’m strongly opposed to heating the seat of a Big Ten coach who doesn’t beat Ohio State; similarly I don’t believe an SEC coach should lose their gig because they can’t beat Alabama. Both Alabama and Ohio State are on different playing fields.

But it’s another thing to begin losing to Michigan and Penn State, which happened twice last season. Wisconsin should be able to break even Vs both, which the Badgers have mostly done under Chryst.

What's even more alarming is Minnesota looking like the better program now, beating Wisconsin last year and playing well this season.

An obvious missing piece these last few seasons is at RB. The Badgers don’t seem to have a backfield beast in the likes of Montee Ball, Melvin Gordon or Jonathan Taylor. All those guys dating back to Ron Dayne were key pieces putting Wisconsin over the top and into Rose Bowls.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 25, 2022, 06:30:57 PM
I'd guess the young Badger RB is damn good, it's the O-line that's slipped
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 26, 2022, 08:46:45 AM
Time to circle the wagons here.

Since 2019, this Wisconsin program is in decline. Those kids did not even belong on the same field as Ohio State last night. It looked like 2014 in Indy - after which UW started to make a climb as a program.

The standard is 10 wins and a NYD6 bowl game. That seems so unattainable at this time it's not even being discussed.

Fans are hoping for 7 wins.

And here we are.

Changes need to be made. If not, UW will fall back to what it was prior to what King Barry built.

Not Don Morton bad, but a perennial 6-6/7-5/8-4 team.
I'm not feeling quite as dire, but I tend to live on a more even keel. I assumed there would be dips from 10 wins and a NYD6 bowl game. That's the nature of things. 

But I'm concerned because the particular things that an offensive head coach could wrangle out of his offense have been lacking of late (I THINK they're possibly lacking now, but I need some numbers that don't come out for a bit). I'm trying to think, what's missing from where I think UW should be.

-Offensive line isn't dominating as it should
-Defense is worse, I think, and I can't tell by how much. I didn't think last year's level was sustainable, but are they top-20, top-40
-The tenet of PC's offenses, even some of the so-so ones, was the ability to get QBs to the level of a quality 
efficiency passing game that kept things honest on this downs. They simply haven't been there. 
-Special seem less than good, and they keep punting too much, so they're losing hidden yards all over.

I assume the second will solve out with Jimmy. UW just tried to fire its way to fixing the first and third, and clearly the quoted post exists, so we've not solved that. 

I tend to let the season play out, but still not the most enjoyable contest. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 26, 2022, 08:24:22 PM
I'm not feeling quite as dire, but I tend to live on a more even keel. I assumed there would be dips from 10 wins and a NYD6 bowl game. That's the nature of things.
I think some of this is that just how good Ohio State is matters. Obviously Wisconsin fans don't want to see their team blown out but that said, there IS a difference between being blown out by an extremely good team and being blown out by a less impressive opponent. 

If you look at the game, Ohio State scored their fourth TD in the first minute of the second quarter on a drive that started in the first quarter. At that point it was 28-0 and, for all intents and purposes the game was over. In the remaining 44 minutes of the game the Buckeyes did outscore the Badgers but it was only 24-21. 

When Ohio State's offense is clicking that is what they can do. When Wisconsin has a rough opening quarter against most teams they'll find themselves down 10-0 or maybe 14-0. That is still a winnable game. Against this Ohio State team a rough opening quarter means a Grand Canyon sized hole that is simply impossible to dig out of.

I'd say that you need to see how not only UW but also tOSU does the rest of the way. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 27, 2022, 06:53:44 AM
I just hope OSU doesn't beat Wisconsin this week. Illinois is not a slouch anymore.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 28, 2022, 10:48:18 AM
There's sure a lot of editorial mileage being made of Wisconsin's blowout loss to OSU.

Here this highly speculative sports blog is referencing an Ohio State fan site contributor to weigh whether Wisconsin’s admin is ready to move on from Paul Chryst and make a move for Lance Leopold(?):

“Chryst is an incredibly disappointing 15-9 in his last 24 games. There’s not a Wisconsin fan on the planet happy with that record. At some point, you either accept living in mediocrity forever or you make a change. It seems like fans are in agreement it’s time for the latter.

Is Lance Leipold the answer for Wisconsin? Leipold has Kansas off to their best start in 13 years, and the Jayhawks are off to an impressive 4-0 start. If you can win at Kansas, you can win anywhere. Plus, Lance Leipold is a proven winner everywhere he’s been a head coach. He won six national titles at UW-Whitewater and he won 24 games in his final three years at Buffalo. The man can coach and he does it without the resources traditional powers have.”



https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1574709182116220928
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 28, 2022, 11:32:36 AM
There's sure a lot of editorial mileage being made of Wisconsin's blowout loss to OSU.

Here this highly speculative sports blog is referencing an Ohio State fan site contributor to weigh whether Wisconsin’s admin is ready to move on from Paul Chryst and make a move for Lance Leopold(?):

“Chryst is an incredibly disappointing 15-9 in his last 24 games. There’s not a Wisconsin fan on the planet happy with that record. At some point, you either accept living in mediocrity forever or you make a change. It seems like fans are in agreement it’s time for the latter.

Is Lance Leipold the answer for Wisconsin? Leipold has Kansas off to their best start in 13 years, and the Jayhawks are off to an impressive 4-0 start. If you can win at Kansas, you can win anywhere. Plus, Lance Leipold is a proven winner everywhere he’s been a head coach. He won six national titles at UW-Whitewater and he won 24 games in his final three years at Buffalo. The man can coach and he does it without the resources traditional powers have.”



https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1574709182116220928

That is some hot trash.

Like, it’s an interesting idea that everyone had and isn’t worth talking about.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 28, 2022, 11:43:57 AM

Is Lance Leipold the answer for Wisconsin? Leipold has Kansas off to their best start in 13 years, and the Jayhawks are off to an impressive 4-0 start. If you can win at Kansas, you can win anywhere. Plus, Lance Leipold is a proven winner everywhere he’s been a head coach. He won six national titles at UW-Whitewater and he won 24 games in his final three years at Buffalo. The man can coach and he does it without the resources traditional powers have.”

This is the path the Buckeyes took with Tressel and we waited too long .But PC is a better HC than JC,Tressel won 4 national titles in 6 tries at YSU.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 29, 2022, 09:02:51 AM
and the path that shit canned Solich

the blowouts!
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 02, 2022, 07:38:43 PM
Yes, the program is suffering a multi-year gradual decline. Yes, the OL was playing uncharacteristically disorganized. Yes, yesterday's lifeless blowout loss at home to Illinois might fit the "sudden" part of my favorite quote on bankruptcy - “Gradually, then suddenly," to quote Hemingway.

But in the shock of it, I figured PC had enough of a goodwill leash to survive Madison into next season.

https://twitter.com/IKE_Badgers/status/1576712398601596929
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2022, 07:42:54 PM
Leonard or Leipold,good luck PC,seemed the Brass had to get the jump on a difference maker - good luck to them.The conference is always better when the Camp is a factor.Hope Sparty wakes up soon also as their HC tain't goin' nowhere
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on October 03, 2022, 06:12:13 AM
In general, I don't like firing the HC midseason (without real cause).  I don't think it's fair to any interim coach vying for the job.  I doubt it enhances the win probability in that season at all.  I would certainly be looking around, but I'd let the season play out.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 03, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
crazy stuff
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on October 03, 2022, 11:10:05 AM
Leonard or Leipold,good luck PC,seemed the Brass had to get the jump on a difference maker - good luck to them.The conference is always better when the Camp is a factor.Hope Sparty wakes up soon also as their HC tain't goin' nowhere
if the brass wanted their DC then tell the coach now or whatever but to dismiss a decent coach mid season is a whole different story,  if the guy you want is already on the staff this seems a little extreme.  if the coach they want is not on the staff then I guess i see it if they can get that intended coach now in mid season and not have to wait.  

just seems like a gut punch for PC to get axed this way, in mid season 

Frost firing i get since he hasnt won since coming there.  but PC has a winning percentage and has been a great coach (two coach of the year awards) 

good luck PC i hope things work out 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: jgvol on October 03, 2022, 11:25:27 AM
I wonder how much this uncharacteristic mid-season firing trend is 'transfer portal' related?

That's about the only thing I can figure as to why this is now a thing?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 03, 2022, 11:35:56 AM
if the brass wanted their DC then tell the coach now or whatever but to dismiss a decent coach mid season is a whole different story,  if the guy you want is already on the staff this seems a little extreme.  if the coach they want is not on the staff then I guess i see it if they can get that intended coach now in mid season and not have to wait. 

just seems like a gut punch for PC to get axed this way, in mid season

The team appeared to be mailing it in and underperforming by Badger standards. Perhaps a must move from a recruitng perspective IMHO so I don't blame the AD.It's not the old days where they had some patience - much faster get 'er done now time we live in
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 03, 2022, 12:17:58 PM
Leonard or Leipold,good luck PC,seemed the Brass had to get the jump on a difference maker - good luck to them.The conference is always better when the Camp is a factor.Hope Sparty wakes up soon also as their HC tain't goin' nowhere
if they want Leonard it makes sense that a few other programs might be interested in giving him a head coach spot

if they want Leipold or Aranda, they want to get in the bidding before a Nebraska or other program make a deal
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 03, 2022, 12:19:21 PM
I don't like it because Wisconsin can be looked at as a more desirable job than Nebraska.

Could pluck the coach on the top of Trev's list
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 03, 2022, 12:29:59 PM

Based on how that worked last time it may work out if their top guy is taken.Look at all the guys loaded with promise just in the last 5 yrs or so given hefty contracts who have tanked
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 03, 2022, 12:35:51 PM
as I've stated, it seems there are only a handful of good coaches out there

Georgia, Bama, Ohio St, Clemson

maybe Kansas 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 04, 2022, 08:14:45 AM
I wonder how much this uncharacteristic mid-season firing trend is 'transfer portal' related?

That's about the only thing I can figure as to why this is now a thing?
Ding ding ding.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2022, 10:35:59 AM
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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2022, 10:38:11 AM
Got passed up by a true freshman this season. QB room is really thin after not taking one in 2021 and no commits for 2023 yet.

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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2022, 11:13:06 AM
The QB room now consists of 

Graham Mertz - JR starter
Chase Wolf - SR been out hurt all season
Miles Burkett - true freshman
Marshall Howe - true freshman walk-on

It was telling that only Mertz, Burkett and Howe travelled Saturday. 

Not surprised that Deacon Hill decided to pull the plug.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 10, 2022, 12:22:07 PM
It’s one of those cases where you look at the depth chart, and if you can’t say that the kid completely established himself as a back up, he might just not have it.

That might be me pulling the plug too soon, you never know
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2022, 12:25:50 PM
Came into Fall camp overweight. That did not help him.

Great arm, no touch and not very mobile due to being out of shape.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 11, 2022, 11:03:42 AM
The Badgers, now led by interim head coach Jim Leonhard (https://247sports.com/Player/Jim-Leonhard-76177), improved to 3-3 Saturday with a 42-7 road victory over the Northwestern Wildcats. They face Michigan State at 3 p.m. this Saturday at Spartan Stadium.

"I have a ton of respect for Deacon," Leonhard said during his news conference on Monday. "This is a little bit of the new normal. Kids have to weigh what they think their future is and where they stand. 


"You get one opportunity to play college football. You like guys to continue to push and trust the process and the decision they made to come here, but sometimes it gets to a point where they feel like they have to move on. We'll do everything we can to support Deacon. I think he's got a ton of talent. I think he's going to be a great quarterback at this level. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like it's going to happen here." 

Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 08:04:22 AM
Former 2019 5 STARZ OT Logan Brown has entered the portal. Kid just couldn't put it all together. Had every opportunity as he was named starter to open Fall camp.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 13, 2022, 08:18:31 AM
Former 2019 5 STARZ OT Logan Brown has entered the portal. Kid just couldn't put it all together. Had every opportunity as he was named starter to open Fall camp.
come on home to Ann Arbor, we'll take him. probably winds up in EL though, Mel seems to be King of the Portal. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 08:26:46 AM
Why would you want a kid who couldn't start at Wisconsin, and one who quit on his teammates mid-week, mid-season?

He's going to Eastern.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 08:31:00 AM
I hope he doesn't think he's the only one who is disappointed. He was given every chance to succeed in Madison.

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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 08:33:24 AM
Also, stay tuned:

Logan Brown seems to have been kicked off the team yesterday.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2022, 08:48:15 AM
Why would you want a kid who couldn't start at Wisconsin, and one who quit on his teammates mid-week, mid-season?

He's going to Eastern.
UM?  Probably not.  Have you seen MSU's OL?  He's not a 5*, but if he's a playable tackle, he'd start for us.  Plus his coach just got fired
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 13, 2022, 08:49:57 AM
Why would you want a kid who couldn't start at Wisconsin, and one who quit on his teammates mid-week, mid-season?

He's going to Eastern.
Eastern would be a good spot. 

Someone should also hire their coach. He’s done good, good work there. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 13, 2022, 08:52:11 AM
Why would you want a kid who couldn't start at Wisconsin, and one who quit on his teammates mid-week, mid-season?

He's going to Eastern.
good point now that I think about it. he's in his 4th year and he couldn't get on the field for one of the worst Wisconsin OLs in recent memory. didn't a rs frosh beat him out?

The 5 STARZ ain't everything. He's probably just not that good.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 09:03:06 AM
Why would you want a kid who couldn't start at Wisconsin, and one who quit on his teammates mid-week, mid-season?

He's going to Eastern.
Again, a very credible source on another UW website has come out and said Brown was dismissed yesterday.

Also mentioned that he could be done with football altogether, which, to me, would imply that he attached one or more of the coaches.

We'll find out the truth soon enough.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 09:07:09 AM
good point now that I think about it. he's in his 4th year and he couldn't get on the field for one of the worst Wisconsin OLs in recent memory. didn't a rs frosh beat him out?

The 5 STARZ ain't everything. He's probably just not that good.
Yes, but Mahlman has been out since game one. Brown took over as starter when that happened but lost his spot to a redshirt sophomore (Trey Wedig) for last week's game.

He was on his way out of the two-deep for next year.

I thought he might have been best off at guard, honestly. But I'm just sitting here typing.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 09:08:26 AM
UM?  Probably not.  Have you seen MSU's OL?  He's not a 5*, but if he's a playable tackle, he'd start for us.  Plus his coach just got fired
Another topic, but have you been happy with the Berger transfer? I've not been able to keep up.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2022, 10:10:14 AM
Another topic, but have you been happy with the Berger transfer? I've not been able to keep up.
He's a decent back, but has horrible vision.  Bad combo with our OL, and why Eli Collins should be getting more touches
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2022, 12:25:49 PM
Again, a very credible source on another UW website has come out and said Brown was dismissed yesterday.

Leonhard confirmed
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 13, 2022, 12:49:28 PM
Of note, you gotta hit someone really, really hard (or hit a non-player) for a practice scuffle to get to this point. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 01:37:48 PM
From the poster who originally posted this on the UW Rival board:

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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 01:54:36 PM
Now reading that the kid he hit is in the hospital.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2022, 01:55:53 PM
Per one of The Athletic writers, it was a one time thing, and he doesn't think it's a thing that will scare other teams off.  That he was angry about the coaching change, and planning on leaving after the year anyway, and that it was a more of a "you are leaving after the year, everyone knows you are leaving after the year, and now this, why wait?"
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 03:02:44 PM
Per one of The Athletic writers, it was a one time thing, and he doesn't think it's a thing that will scare other teams off.  That he was angry about the coaching change, and planning on leaving after the year anyway, and that it was a more of a "you are leaving after the year, everyone knows you are leaving after the year, and now this, why wait?"
Which one? I tried a search and cannot find.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2022, 03:12:30 PM
Thind
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 03:26:41 PM
Must be in some comment section. Still, I wouldn't dismiss this as "not a big deal" just yet.

People close to Wisconsin think it's serious enough for him to not play football again. Last Chance U maybe.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2022, 03:59:52 PM
Must be in some comment section. Still, I wouldn't dismiss this as "not a big deal" just yet.

People close to Wisconsin think it's serious enough for him to not play football again. Last Chance U maybe.
I don't know, I let my subscription lapse, I wasn't using it enough.  I have a hard time believing one practice punch could possibly end a kids chances.  Guys get DUIs and get second and third and fourth chances, and I'd put this below that.  Practice fights happen all the time, and we don't know, for us to not only know, but for it to lead to a parting of ways, it's certainly something more than that.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 14, 2022, 10:38:39 AM
I wonder how much this uncharacteristic mid-season firing trend is 'transfer portal' related?

That's about the only thing I can figure as to why this is now a thing?

Yes, the transfer portal, but I’m thinking it also has to with the newly inflated size of head coaching contracts. Maybe this doesn’t apply to PC, but I don’t see Michigan State putting up with another 12 games of bad defense from Mel Tucker given how much they cut his contract for.

Speaking of Michigan State, in this week’s Wisconsin Vs MSU thread there’s a bit of brief commentary on what it’ll take from Leonhard’s ongoing audition to seal the job. Blowing out Northwestern in a game where both sides of the ball looked far more organized and motivated is a good start. Followed by a likely win this Saturday Vs the Spartans. I think 5-2 wins Leonhard the gig.

It helps that there seems to be a lot of goodwill behind Leonhard. The players and admin seem to have nothing but friendly things to say.

From the article linked at the bottom:

“In his first week as interim head coach, Jim Leonhard adjusted Wisconsin's Monday practice schedule, to rave reviews… it's always interesting to see what changes interim head coaches make once the team is placed in their hands, because those changes are ones they would've made before if only they had the power to do so.”

“Paul Chryst had the players meet with coaches at 7:30 am. Mondays before a 9 a.m. walk-through, which inevitably required coaches to process the previous Saturday's game and begin having a plan in place for the following week's game by late Sunday or early, early Monday. Now under Leonhard's leadership, though, those meetings and walk-throughs do not happen until Monday evening. ‘I think (the change) is huge for coaches really having an extra 10, 12 hours to detail this thing up,’ Leonhard told the Wisconsin State Journal.”


https://footballscoop.com/news/jim-leonhard-adjusts-wisconsin-football-practice-schedule
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 14, 2022, 10:41:52 AM
I was going to post a similar article written in the Wisconsin State Journal.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 07:51:43 AM
And another. I thought this kid would be a good one too.

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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 07:59:03 AM
Wisconsin has always been a developmental program. 

With NIL and the transfer portal, it's gonna be an irrelevant program.

Oh well.

It was a nice run.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 17, 2022, 08:13:07 AM
things can change

especially with a change in coaches
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 08:25:48 AM
The Chancellor could not care less about athletics. That's a problem.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 17, 2022, 08:39:03 AM
Wisconsin has always been a developmental program.

With NIL and the transfer portal, it's gonna be an irrelevant program.

Oh well.

It was a nice run.
Stop it! Keep getting lineman and there is always disgruntled QBs/RBs/WRs a plenty.One good recruiter is all it takes,don't know what to tell you about NIL as Nicky Saban doesn't seem to like it.Guess it brings more coin than bagmen ;D. Also Leonhard already has them playing much better ball it's evident.Really don't know what happened to PC but he got sloppy or perhaps soft ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 17, 2022, 08:42:29 AM
things can change

especially with a change in coaches
FF how did the Wedding go? Any TVs so you could catch the games? Must of been distressing to miss the links for a day. Hope you're in counseling
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 17, 2022, 08:47:22 AM
everything went well

better than I expected

not many TVs for games
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 17, 2022, 08:49:59 AM
And another. I thought this kid would be a good one too.

(https://i.imgur.com/Nt0UHWX.png)
Per homer board insiders, likely not a bad roster loss.

I’d have to look back, receiver seems like a less developmental spot unless it’s a walk-on at UW, but I’d have to see.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 17, 2022, 08:56:05 AM
everything went well

better than I expected

not many TVs for games
Was the EX behaving?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 09:20:17 AM
Per homer board insiders, likely not a bad roster loss.

I’d have to look back, receiver seems like a less developmental spot unless it’s a walk-on at UW, but I’d have to see.
I saw that too. If allegations are true, well, then bye.

As for WR development... it's been a while since they've had a true star - probably Lee Evans.

Cephus was a great story.

Luke Swan, Jared Abbrederis and Alex Erickson were good walk-on stories. And then there was Jack Dunn, of course.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 11:36:32 AM
From the Athletic:

...

“That’s been a struggle,” Leonhard said. “And that’s why we are where we are. Offensively, inconsistent running and throwing the ball. We’ve done some great things at times. But not consistently enough. And defensively, I think it’s been very similar. When we’ve needed to show up big, we haven’t gotten it done.

“We have to find ways as coaches to help them out. And players, when their number’s called, they have to execute. I would say it’s still up in the air on what the true identity of this team is, and that’s why we haven’t had the success that we all anticipated.”

...

“We’ve got to be really honest as players,” Mertz said. “Are we doing our job correct? And are we doing it to the best of our ability? I think we did turn a corner, but I think we’ve got to do a better job of truly playing together and making those changes in the game of how to move the ball. The game’s as simple as that. You’ve got to move the ball, and if you’re not, you’re not going to be successful. We’ve got to do a better job across the board.”

...

“I think you’ve got to eat some s— sandwiches and learn from that knowing that you can get better and improve,” Njongmeta said.

Leonhard inherited a team filled with issues, and no midseason coaching change was going to solve all those problems. Those inside the program are trying to remain optimistic that Wisconsin can make the necessary corrections to avoid more losses piling up, even as the optimism from the outside wanes.


“I hope it’s not too late,” Leonhard said. “If it’s too late, we’re in trouble because we’ve got a lot of football left.”



Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 11:46:22 AM
This team kinda feels like 2008. Hopefully it can make a bowl game.

2001 was the last time UW didn't bowl.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 12:49:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Zn1QekV.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 01:15:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BeFdZJW.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 17, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Zn1QekV.png)
IIRC he was a MASSIVE reach even giving him an offer, and seemed related to being HS teammates with Logan Brown
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 17, 2022, 02:14:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Zn1QekV.png)
This is where I need special teams stats so I can figure out if this is just a fourth-year player who is a true offensive nonfactor or someone who has not mattered to the product at all.

Also, two WRs out together? Why do I think there might be a link?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 02:22:39 PM
IIRC he was a MASSIVE reach even giving him an offer, and seemed related to being HS teammates with Logan Brown
Nah. He committed well after Brown did. He was flipped from Western Michigan, where he should probably consider landing, along with Brown...
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
This is where I need special teams stats so I can figure out if this is just a fourth-year player who is a true offensive nonfactor or someone who has not mattered to the product at all.

Also, two WRs out together? Why do I think there might be a link?
He was always hurt, and he got passed up by younger guys.

Jimmy is cleaning house, it appears, with his messaging of being all in, or out.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 02:28:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FeYIeyN.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 17, 2022, 03:26:47 PM
Nah. He committed well after Brown did. He was flipped from Western Michigan, where he should probably consider landing, along with Brown...
Wisconsin was his only non-MAC offer, and I remember it being fairly surprising at the time
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 03:41:27 PM
Well, he could always choose to reunite. :)

(https://i.imgur.com/LZOlrcW.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 17, 2022, 03:51:56 PM
Well, he could always choose to reunite. :)

(https://i.imgur.com/LZOlrcW.png)
He won't.  MSU never recruited him in the first place
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
I know, but the guy who recruited him to UW is at MSU now.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 17, 2022, 04:17:35 PM
Recruiter vs. guy who wanted to target him is two different things
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 04:21:37 PM
Kahilf was in Madison at that time too. ~???
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 17, 2022, 04:36:59 PM
I think it's become well documented that Paul Chryst's downfall was his inability to manage the recruiting side of things.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 05:12:21 PM
Pretty much. 

Khalif was begging for more staff the whole time he was there. He found some good kids for staff to recruit, and some not so good kids.

Safe hiring coaches was a problem too. 

Not having a recruiting staff in place from June 2021 (when Khalif left) until February 2022 is inexcusable. One person who was old and tired did not matter, and he quit the job too.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 17, 2022, 05:33:24 PM
It's going to be tough in the transfer portal/NIL era for schools who are committed to football, but to a point.  I do not think Mel Tucker is a good September-November coach.  But I think he is potentially a great recruiter, and is going to fill his staff with those types.  But where does that get you if you can't coach them up?  It's been proven time and time again in the CFP that well coached teams, can't even stay on the field with the well coached, high talent teams (2015 MSU, 2016 Washington, 2021 UM, etc...)  So if your goal is a national title, it doesn't matter how well coached your teams are, you need the talent.  So MSU appears all in on upgrading the talent.  But even if MSU is recruiting at peak MSU what are they, a top 15 class?  That's still likely less talent than the Michigan team that got run off the field last year.  And at worst, it's a total disaster, because you have overrated kids, coached by coaches who aren't there to coach them up.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on October 17, 2022, 06:20:05 PM
Can't rely on visits and letters either.   Ship has sailed, and it isn't just football and hoops.   Crootin is a whole different world.     

The Courting of Marcus Dupree reads like a 19th century story at this stage.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 18, 2022, 07:30:31 AM

Recruiter vs. guy who wanted to target him is two different things
The seems speculative and silly in a way. We haven’t the foggiest who was interested in him and why, other than to probably say the wide receiver coach her to at least sign off.

what is much more important is that the kid has not been a good P5 college football player across four years, and there isn’t a lot of demand for players like that at this level.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 18, 2022, 08:45:12 AM
If the head coach isn't signing off on offers, that's even more problematic
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 21, 2022, 08:52:37 AM
Michigan sniffing around on 2023 recruits. Just offered DT Rod Pierce. One of my favorite UW recruits.

Harbaugh sucks.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 21, 2022, 12:32:04 PM
Michigan sniffing around on 2023 recruits. Just offered DT Rod Pierce. One of my favorite UW recruits.

Harbaugh sucks.
nice! go get 'em all Jim! he needs to hit up ND/MSU commit list as well see if he can poach some of them. I'd be on the phone with Penn State commit list as well...telling them hey come here or get your ass beat by us every time you come into The Big House...your choice.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 21, 2022, 12:43:59 PM
More like, keep them committed, Jimmy.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 06:31:35 AM
I remember a time when conference mates didn't do this to each other with committed players. Then Urban showed up.

(https://i.imgur.com/LYUjIqB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/TFXpg4E.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 26, 2022, 08:03:32 AM
We're not in kansas anymore,Toto - unfortunately
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 26, 2022, 09:48:59 AM
I thought RichRod did it first?  Didn't Tiller use the snake oil comment there?  Tressell swiped MSU's top commit one year, although he turned out to be a bust.  Can't even remember his name
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on October 26, 2022, 10:14:07 AM
I remember a time when conference mates didn't do this to each other with committed players. Then Urban showed up.

(https://i.imgur.com/LYUjIqB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/TFXpg4E.png)
would be kinda stupid for any coach to not go after a player they really like just because he's committed to another school. have to recruit them til they sign that LOI. And now with NIL and transfer portal have to recruit them just to keep them at your school. 

just the way it is these days. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 26, 2022, 12:15:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/68qLfDF.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on October 26, 2022, 12:20:01 PM
would be kinda stupid for any coach to not go after a player they really like just because he's committed to another school. have to recruit them til they sign that LOI. And now with NIL and transfer portal have to recruit them just to keep them at your school.

just the way it is these days.

i think it has always happened.  social media and everything is announced is allowing the news to spread a little more.  cannot imagine coaches giving up until the kid signs on the line 

and now why stop there when there is a free transfer
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Abba on October 26, 2022, 12:30:36 PM
How solid is the 2023 schedule?  Didn't last year's schedule change sometime in the spring?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 27, 2022, 10:29:14 AM
How solid is the 2023 schedule?  Didn't last year's schedule change sometime in the spring?
Yeah, they took them all down when the LA schools decided to join. Now they are back up. For Wisconsin, it's the same schedule. Pretty sure the rest are too.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 27, 2022, 10:29:26 AM
:)

(https://i.imgur.com/XVzwWfL.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2022, 09:44:41 PM
Logan Brown winds up at Kansas.  Sounds like UM and MSU never even reached out.  Michigan clearly doesn't need that noise, but considering how bad MSU's line looks, and that they never reached out, it seems like the worst case rumors were true
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on October 30, 2022, 09:51:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/68qLfDF.png)
I dislike that non-conference. 

I prefer my bodybag games to be bodybag games. GSU and Buffalo have had just enough feistiness in them in some recent years.

I also think UW should take Kansas' OC, who used to be at Buffalo, but that's another matter.  
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 31, 2022, 08:43:23 AM
Logan Brown winds up at Kansas.  Sounds like UM and MSU never even reached out.  Michigan clearly doesn't need that noise, but considering how bad MSU's line looks, and that they never reached out, it seems like the worst case rumors were true
He was just not a good player. I'm surprised Leipold took him.


(https://i.imgur.com/1ycnlhs.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on November 09, 2022, 10:24:33 PM
So on our fan board there seems to be rumors about Allen getting wooed to leave after this year by Michigan and USC

what are the Wisconsin sites and insiders saying?

and how does everyone feel about schools poaching during the season to get players to leave and get into the transfer portal?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 09, 2022, 10:46:42 PM
I am fine with all of the NIL, but IMO the one year transfer sit out rule need to return, without waivers
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2022, 05:58:42 AM
So on our fan board there seems to be rumors about Allen getting wooed to leave after this year by Michigan and USC

what are the Wisconsin sites and insiders saying?

and how does everyone feel about schools poaching during the season to get players to leave and get into the transfer portal?

I don't know if this is true or not, but if this stuff starts happening, I'm out.

Wisconsin can join Chicago's league. 

This board turns into "other news" and a cookbook.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 10, 2022, 06:55:29 AM
Any truth to the rumor that Wisconsin RB Braelon Allen wants to transfer to Michigan for next year?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2022, 07:05:26 AM
Don't know for sure.

When was the last time Michigan put a RB into the league in the 3rd round or above?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 10, 2022, 07:22:40 AM
Don't know for sure.

When was the last time Michigan put a RB into the league in the 3rd round or above?
Its been a while.  
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2022, 07:35:13 AM
Current rumor is that USC is offering $2 Million for one year of Allen.

This is the end of the sport as we knew it, and it was obviously predictable. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 10, 2022, 08:04:33 AM
I don't know if this is true or not, but if this stuff starts happening, I'm out.

Wisconsin can join Chicago's league.

This board turns into "other news" and a cookbook.
Bears or Maroons?  Gonna have to pick a direction
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2022, 08:19:05 AM
They can join the Maroon Five (8).

The Official Site of the University Athletic Association (uaasports.info) (https://www.uaasports.info/landing/index)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2022, 09:24:10 AM
Don't know for sure.

When was the last time Michigan put a RB into the league in the 3rd round or above?
it's been a minute, but that's changing very soon. Blake Corum will probably go in the 2nd rd this upcoming draft and Donovan Edwards will go round 1 when it's his turn. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2022, 09:25:16 AM
Current rumor is that USC is offering $2 Million for one year of Allen.

This is the end of the sport as we knew it, and it was obviously predictable.
USC = portal city. They got the Biletnikof winning WR from Pitt and Caleb Williams this off-season.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2022, 09:26:23 AM
hence why ol Muleshoe is there
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on November 10, 2022, 10:16:27 AM
Current rumor is that USC is offering $2 Million for one year of Allen.

This is the end of the sport as we knew it, and it was obviously predictable.
this kind of college sports is not good for fans.  and to be honest the NFL is getting a semi pro league without paying for it at all which i find extremely disheartening. 

the good old days with money under the table with a slight threat of sanctions are now gone and teams are stealing recruits away at will even before players have officially entered the portal
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2022, 10:19:10 AM
this kind of college sports is not good for fans.  and to be honest the NFL is has been getting a semi pro league without paying for it at all which i find extremely disheartening.

the good old days with money under the table with a slight threat of sanctions are now gone and teams are stealing recruits away at will even before players have officially entered the portal
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2022, 10:23:46 AM
this kind of college sports is not good for fans.  and to be honest the NFL is getting a semi pro league without paying for it at all which i find extremely disheartening.

the good old days with money under the table with a slight threat of sanctions are now gone and teams are stealing recruits away at will even before players have officially entered the portal
Oh, it's good for some fans. It's not good for guys like you and me.

Our teams have little to no chance of competing against the big boys in this kind of arena.

The top CFB is gonna be played among 16-20 schools, and ours ain't one of them.

The only way to save this is doing what ELA said. Make them sit for a year.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 10, 2022, 02:51:28 PM
The NFL is not reliant on local rooting interest, we will find out if college football is. Because if it's not, this is going to absolutely kill it. To some extent. Extent we were always just rooting for laundry, just like pro sports, but for a lot of us that was our school, but these kids also went to for 4 years. It wasn't forever, but it was for the same amount of time that we did. So at least the connection felt a little bit less artificial. I don't begrudge the players getting theirs, I just don't know how you sustain a minor league if you only have about eight fanbases who give a shit.

This isn't meant to be old man yelling at cloud, if the money is there, go get it, but then why do I care about you anymore than I care about the Toledo mud hens? Michigan state had a great year last year, there were still about four games I didn't see a minute of.  And it's been about the same this year. It's never had anything to do with how good or bad My team was. I just don't care that much anymore. So whether we are good or bad, if it fits into my schedule, I'll watch it, if it doesn't, I don't
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2022, 10:14:22 PM
Iowa is getting set for a huge B1G West rivalry matchup against Wisconsin in Week 11. With the Heartland Trophy up for grabs, the Hawkeyes are also trying to dial up a little extra juice for Saturday.

With a post on Twitter, Iowa officially set Saturday’s game in Kinnick Stadium as a blackout, urging all attendees to wear black.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 11, 2022, 10:26:28 AM
hence why ol Muleshoe is there

Does the rest of the board by chance know why Muleshoe is Lincoln Riley’s nickname?

From Wikipedia: “Riley ran track at Muleshoe High School in Muleshoe, a small town of roughly 5,000 in West Texas. He began his high school career at defensive end and made the move to quarterback for his junior and senior seasons. Riley played quarterback at Texas Tech University as a walk-on in 2002, behind senior starter and future Texas Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury and back-up B. J. Symons.”

Noticeable to see here – have only seen Riley called Muleshoe(s) on whiney OU Sooners boards, where Riley is hated on all day everyday.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
head over to the porch on the Big 12 board
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2022, 09:14:35 AM
sounds like as long as Wisconsin doesn't fumble the hire and retains Leonhard, Allen isn't going anywhere.

https://twitter.com/jessetemple/status/1591192539348230145?s=20&t=upcIJ0LRINsvCyi92aYJxQ
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2022, 09:16:36 AM
Logan Brown winds up at Kansas.  Sounds like UM and MSU never even reached out.  Michigan clearly doesn't need that noise, but considering how bad MSU's line looks, and that they never reached out, it seems like the worst case rumors were true
yeah, Michigan didn't even bother talking to him and MSU didn't either. he probably just....sucks at football. feel like every Grand Rapids kid blows. every hyped up Grand Rapids player I can remember has just wound up sucking. it's weird. maybe the HS competition is really just that bad out there.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2022, 09:55:31 AM
sounds like as long as Wisconsin doesn't fumble the hire and retains Leonhard, Allen isn't going anywhere.


I don't think they will lose anyone of substance if they retain JL. But that is not a reason to retain a coach. Can't have the inmates running the place.

I remember when Alvarez got to Madison. He gutted the roster almost immediately. Half of those 45+ players didn't catch on elsewhere, which was telling.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2022, 10:31:32 AM
I wish Frost would have gutted the roster when he got to Lincoln

I'll bet he wishes he would have too
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2022, 11:13:07 AM
Tall order unless a lot of portal rats saw an opportunity to seize
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2022, 11:42:04 AM
Barry took a bunch of walk-on players who he said were better than what he inherited. And his first class was great. Won a Rose Bowl.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2022, 11:11:21 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Agtr9YZ.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2022, 12:22:38 PM
I remember when Alvarez got to Madison. He gutted the roster almost immediately. Half of those 45+ players didn't catch on elsewhere, which was telling.
How many freakin' schollies did he have to hand out? Can you just cut kids on scholarship?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2022, 12:29:14 PM
He basically told them they would never play if they stayed. He ran them off because he knew if he didn't, he wouldn't make to year 4.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2022, 12:32:16 PM
“Unfortunately we have to recruit our own team everyday right now,” Leonhard said following the loss. “I would never accuse teams of tampering with our players but teams are tampering with our players. It’s unfortunate to see where it’s at right now, but I have to continue to show a clear vision.


"I’ve mentioned it a couple times, the uncertainty is going to cause people to look and see what the best decisions for their future are and we have to be real about that as coaches. That’s why we have these conversations with our team almost daily about where we’re going, what the plan is and how we’re going to get there.
"That’s all we can do and like I said, it’s unfortunate that a kid has to address that with the media when it’s not supposed to be real, but obviously it is.”

Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 12:33:01 PM
yes, you Can just cut kids on scholarship
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2022, 12:34:34 PM
I wouldn't accuse other programs, I'd just report them to the NCAA if I had sufficient evidence to hand over
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 14, 2022, 06:40:14 AM
1993 Silver Football winner Brent Moss passed away at 50 yesterday.

He lived a rough life.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 14, 2022, 07:47:04 AM
yes, you Can just cut kids on scholarship
I know Saban has been but I'm referring to the rest of CFB
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 14, 2022, 08:00:57 AM
I wouldn't accuse other programs, I'd just report them to the NCAA if I had sufficient evidence to hand over
I think JL might have that evidence, relative to USC and Allen.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 16, 2022, 07:36:19 AM
Muck Fichigan.

Wisconsin commit sets Michigan official (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/rod-pierce-michigan-wisconsin-football-recruiting-197758473/)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2022, 07:42:49 AM
Muck Fichigan.
the Ex-wife has that T-shirt
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 16, 2022, 01:43:02 PM
Muck Fichigan.

Wisconsin commit Jamel Howard to visit Michigan (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Jamel-Howard-Michigan-Wolverines-Wisconsin-Badgers-football-recruiting-197777959/)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 16, 2022, 03:31:28 PM
Muck Fichigan.

Wisconsin commit Jamel Howard to visit Michigan (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Jamel-Howard-Michigan-Wolverines-Wisconsin-Badgers-football-recruiting-197777959/)
can never have enough DLs. TAKE EM ALL JEEEM! TAKE EM ALL! (*EVIL LAUGH*). 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2022, 06:46:39 AM
Wisconsin doing the scouting for assholes like Harbaugh is nothing new. 

Same thing happens in hoops.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2022, 11:50:27 AM
Muck Fichigan.

Wisconsin commit Jamel Howard to visit Michigan (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Jamel-Howard-Michigan-Wolverines-Wisconsin-Badgers-football-recruiting-197777959/)
Decommitted. He gone.

This from today's presser in Madison:


(https://i.imgur.com/5VPE7wR.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2022, 11:56:20 AM
Decommitted. He gone.

This from today's presser in Madison:


(https://i.imgur.com/5VPE7wR.png)
3*, #133 DL in the 247 composite.  Who wants to bet that jumps up now?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2022, 12:27:11 PM
Maybe the Buckeyes will swing in and steal him -  Urbz would approve
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 17, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
Maybe the Buckeyes will swing in and steal him -  Urbz would approve
nah. he doesn't fit in with the style of defense that OSU plays. Kid is like 320 pounds. In high school. He's only going to get bigger and stronger in college. He's a pure nose tackle in a 3-4. Michigan base D is a 3-4. They need the big uglies to be BIG. Knowles plays that 4-2-5. Does OSU even play a DL that weights more than 295?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2022, 01:04:54 PM
3*, #133 DL in the 247 composite.  Who wants to bet that jumps up now?
He was rated way too low to start with.

UW knows how to find these kids, and then assholes from helmet school start poking around.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2022, 01:25:05 PM
And another.

WR Collin Dixon de-commits from Wisconsin (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/wisconsin-badgers-football-recruiting-collin-dixon-197836288/)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on November 17, 2022, 01:30:18 PM
Wisconsin doing the scouting for assholes like Harbaugh is nothing new.

Same thing happens in hoops.
At least this year, you get the coach firing the fans wanted, you wear the losses on the trail that comes with uncertainty. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on November 17, 2022, 01:38:35 PM
At least this year, you get the coach firing the fans wanted, you wear the losses on the trail that comes with uncertainty.
Yeah, as MSU fan frustration has shifted from the defense to the offense, one of our writers pointed out that if you switch DCs, there will likely be little to no impact on the 2023 class.  You switch OCs, that would not be the case at all
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2022, 01:38:57 PM
At least this year, you get the coach firing the fans wanted, you wear the losses on the trail that comes with uncertainty.
If he wasn't planning on hiring JL from the start, he should have kept PC and let the season tank. They'd have two more losses than they do already.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on November 18, 2022, 07:30:19 AM
If he wasn't planning on hiring JL from the start, he should have kept PC and let the season tank. They'd have two more losses than they do already.
Then you get the losses on the trail from being 4-8?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2022, 07:50:10 AM
I don't think so. Kids see an opportunity for early PT at a good P5 program.

Harbass didn't offer any of those kids until his buddy got fired, by the way.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2022, 01:29:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ENqzjkv.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 18, 2022, 02:17:40 PM
I don't think so. Kids see an opportunity for early PT at a good P5 program.

Harbass didn't offer any of those kids until his buddy got fired, by the way.
Wisconsin fired the head coach. There was always bound to be de-commits and flips. 

Jeem just doing his job trying to get good players into his program. Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you don't want de-commits and flips, don't fire the head coach. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2022, 07:38:31 AM
HEAD FOOTBALL COACH at UW–Madison (wisc.edu) (https://jobs.hr.wisc.edu/en-us/job/516218/head-football-coach)


Has to be up for seven days.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 21, 2022, 01:02:24 PM
Have been reading about whether this is the worst Wisconsin team in x-years. Yup. Question is which teams to judge it against.

Maybe 2008. That team underperformed its potential. It had some really good players on both sides of the ball, particularly on defense. The team was competitive against some good teams (Ohio State and Michigan State), but terrible in others (Penn State, Iowa, and in its bowl game against Florida State), and it narrowly beat Fresno State (at Fresno State, and to be fair, the Bulldogs were in the midst of their run of being decent), and needed OT to beat FCS-Cal Poly (!!!). Still, that team always felt like it could be pretty good, but just didn't gel. This team feels legitimately mediocre.

2001? Last time the Badgers missed a bowl. That team was a puzzle; it was competitive in some tough games and would turn around and lose to mediocre teams. At Oregon (which finished AP #2), the Badgers hung in and lost by a field goal. Then they turned around and lost to Fresno State (at Camp Randall) the next week. Then beat Penn State in Happy Valley, then turned around and got steamrolled by Indiana at Camp Randall (I mean Randle El was good, but come on!!). Then the Badgers beat Ohio State in Columbus (second to last time for that, to date), but lost at Illinois and at home to Michigan State, before beating Iowa, and hanging around against a decent Michigan team (in Madison) only to lose by a field goal. Then they lost to Minnesota (one of only two losses in 23 games). It was a very Jekyll and Hyde team that consistently played to the level of their competition. I would definitely pick that team to beat this team.

1997 was a bad year with a decent record built on creampuffs. Syracuse (back when Syracuse could still play) absolutely destroyed the Badgers in the opening game, then the Badgers feasted on body bag games (Boise State, before it was Boise State, San Jose State, and San Diego State). The Badgers' high point was upsetting #12 Iowa (a team that ended up 7-5), lost to Michigan and Penn State, then Georgia steamrolled the Badgers to end the season in the Outback Bowl. That team had a decent record, but it wasn't very good.

1995 is another strong option. Another beat down to start the season (at home against Colorado). Two ties (Stanford, and the most boring football game every played to finish the season: 3-3 against Illinois over Thanksgiving weekend--I remember skipping that game on purpose and feeling good about our decision). Somehow that team upset Penn State in Happy Valley (its first loss in 20 games), but other than that, it was pretty bad.

The current team reminds me most of these '95 and '97 teams. The offense has a star player, but that's it (i.e., one star player). The quarterback is better than he has been, but not good, and the offensive line is uncharacteristically weak. The defense is good--maybe with a quality offense they would be very good, but you have to be able to score to win, and this offense just isn't good.

What's noteworthy to me is who the head coach was for three of the four seasons I noted above: the King himself, Barry Alvarez. So, you know, hall of fame coaches can have bad years. And these were all post Rose Bowl--I'm not talking about the rebuild project he came into. How times have changed...
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2022, 01:17:02 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35121689/sources-wisconsin-makes-push-hire-luke-fickell-coach
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: GopherRock on November 27, 2022, 01:51:19 PM
Going from 1st and goal on the 5 to 2nd and goal from the 30 was a thing of beauty. The interim tag should be removed immediately. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 27, 2022, 05:50:51 PM
Coming back to where I started when McIntosh fired Chryst, the #3 winningest coach in Wisconsin football history: McIntosh is making gutsy calls--good or bad, he's not afraid to make them. Leonard was an easy pick, and one that a lot of people wanted. And it may be a disaster that UW passed on him. Word is that after Notre Dame took Davey without even sniffing around King Barry, Alvarez was permanently turned off from that program. Leonard is probably not permanently against coming back to Madison, but it wouldn't surprise me if he won't come here while McIntosh is still here.

But Fickell looks like a great hire, and a sign that McIntosh is ready to move on from the last 30 years of the Badgers' style. What won't work is trying to recruit and play the way Michigan and Ohio State do. This isn't that kind of program. But if Fickell could succeed at Cincinnati, then surely Wisconsin shouldn't be that hard for him to adjust to. Still need to recruit the unheralded kids and coach them up. Still need to be solid in the trenches. 

If Leonard weren't part of the picture, most people would be ecstatic about this hire.

I'm sure JL will land on his feet and he may even make people wish McIntosh has kept him in Madison. But right, wrong, or indifferent, McIntosh proved he wants to move Wisconsin football forward. I'll tip my cap to him for that.

And hold him accountable if JL is kicking ass somewhere when Fickell is fired or leaves for OSU.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2022, 06:24:11 PM
Based on yesterday OSU could use a DC
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 27, 2022, 06:27:00 PM
seems to me that Wisconsin and Nebraska got the best coaches for their current situations

Huskers need a complete rebuild - that's Rhule
Badgers are in better shape and just need a proven head coach upcomer to steer the ship in the right direction w/o losing the basic formula

Fickell has a bit of a leg up as he has roots and experience in the conference

good luck to both programs
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 27, 2022, 06:27:31 PM
Based on yesterday OSU could use a DC
grab Parker and save him from Iowa City
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2022, 06:28:37 PM
Based on yesterday OSU could use a DC
they just paid Knowles $2 mil a year and stole him from OkState. I doubt they'll fire him just like that based off one game. OSU D was pretty good all year til the final game. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2022, 06:29:29 PM
grab Parker and save him from Iowa City
I don't understand how he hasn't gotten bigger DC job or a HC job at a smaller school yet. I would hate to see that dude in Columbus. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2022, 06:31:15 PM
So does this mean Braelon Allen is gone? Cause I sure as hell would love to see him team up with Donovan Edwards in Ann Arbor next year to replace Blake Corum.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on November 27, 2022, 07:07:37 PM
Fickell was a surprising choice, but a good choice, nonetheless.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 06:59:22 AM
So does this mean Braelon Allen is gone? Cause I sure as hell would love to see him team up with Donovan Edwards in Ann Arbor next year to replace Blake Corum.
You like prima donnas? Cause that's Allen.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 06:59:49 AM
OK then. Fine by me.

(https://i.imgur.com/lV6cIEU.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 07:04:42 AM
What is weird is that Fickell has never played or coached outside of the State of Ohio.

Wisconsin is sooooo different.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 07:07:18 AM
Going from 1st and goal on the 5 to 2nd and goal from the 30 was a thing of beauty. The interim tag should be removed immediately.
That's pretty short-sighted.

JL would have cleaned up that side of the ball by clearing out the house. On the recruiting paper, this is the most talent Wisconsin has ever had at OL, and they suck. Why?

That Badger defense was gassed because the OL couldn't keep the offense on the field. It all starts there.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 28, 2022, 07:21:00 AM
Never thought I'd see Fickell in the Big Ten unless it was at Ohio State.  Great hire.   It will be interesting to see in what direction he takes the Badger's offense.  If he stays true to what he's done so far it'll be a bit away from Wisconsin's classic pound them on the ground with the running game to something more spread like with a dual threatish QB.  Or maybe not since he's got a lot of the power running game tools there already?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 07:36:49 AM
This is rather shocking.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2022, 09:24:00 AM
I take it, you preferred Leonhard and thought it was a done deal?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 28, 2022, 10:18:13 AM
Good for the Wisconsin AD going big game hunting against the hometown sentiment of hiring Leonhard. I never viewed the unquestioning support of Leonhard as more than a localized, forced fixation to turn Leonhard into a hometown hero. We’ve seen this play out before to mixed results – where the feel good story is favored above sounder hiring considerations, whether it works out or not. Griffey Jr to the Reds, Patrick Ewing to Georgetown, and giving George Lucas full control of the prequels, for example.

Is Leonhard worth rooting for? Does he handle himself well? A good face for the program? Yes, yes, and yes. But is he worth hiring over a candidate with more proven experience, who also knows the Big Ten? Possibly not?

With the way Bielema left (was run off?), the short Gary Andersen tenure, and the abrupt Chryst firing, is there some sort of unseen vortex of decision making that only those in Madison can make sense of?

(https://i.imgur.com/ClrbWUH.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: GopherRock on November 28, 2022, 10:27:11 AM
Based on your comments, I have also thought that they would take the interim tag off him.

One thing that is not up for discussion: it's Chris McIntosh's show now. Anything that King Barry built, personnel-wise, is gone.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 11:54:21 AM
Based on your comments, I have also thought that they would take the interim tag off him.

One thing that is not up for discussion: it's Chris McIntosh's show now. Anything that King Barry built, personnel-wise, is gone.
Except Mac was a consensus All-American OT and won two Rose Bowls and was groomed for his current job... under...

King Barry.

Discuss.


;)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: JWilly86 on November 28, 2022, 11:55:28 AM
Good for the Wisconsin AD going big game hunting against the hometown sentiment of hiring Leonhard. I never viewed the unquestioning support of Leonhard as more than a localized, forced fixation to turn Leonhard into a hometown hero. We’ve seen this play out before to mixed results – where the feel good story is favored above sounder hiring considerations, whether it works out or not. Griffey Jr to the Reds, Patrick Ewing to Georgetown, and giving George Lucas full control of the prequels, for example.
I think this sums it up incredibly well, everyone at Wisconsin understandably (and should) loves Leonard; McIntosh's job is to hire the best coach he can get, not make the sentimental choice.

One thing that is not up for discussion: it's Chris McIntosh's show now. Anything that King Barry built, personnel-wise, is gone.
As it should be, you can't hire the guy and not give him control. It's terrifying for UW, we still have to hope the success of the program survives past the KB decades.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 02:21:11 PM
Posted today. 

(https://i.imgur.com/Zbhp3xs.png)


Looks like CLF is cleaning house.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2022, 02:35:39 PM
I guess, with D-coordinator on the list

perhaps Leonhard was hurt by being passed over and didn't want to come back as D-coordinator
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 02:48:30 PM
Some were speculating that since Luke Fickell did it for Urban that JL might do it for Fickel.

Big difference. Both are defensive guys. Urbs let Fickel run with the D, pretty much solo.

I just hope he doesn't bring too much with him to Madison, from Cincy (or even the Youngstown clan).
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2022, 03:11:14 PM
too much philosophy or too many people (staff) or both
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 28, 2022, 03:27:15 PM
Just saw the Fickell news. Well good luck Wisconsin and Fickell. He's been great in Cincy!
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2022, 03:30:18 PM
If he wasn't planning on hiring JL from the start, he should have kept PC and let the season tank. They'd have two more losses than they do already.
A month ot two back you were pretty sure it would be JL and I figured it was a good move also - what moved them off Leonhard do you think?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2022, 03:34:57 PM
Some were speculating that since Luke Fickell did it for Urban that JL might do it for Fickel.

Big difference. Both are defensive guys. Urbs let Fickel run with the D, pretty much solo.

I just hope he doesn't bring too much with him to Madison, from Cincy (or even the Youngstown clan).
He's a Columbus guy grew up and played ball there,all Ohio and a wrestling champion also
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 28, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
Pretty sure the Leonhard to Fickell pivot was as simple as Fickell wasn't interested at first, then he was. When you have the chance to hire that guy, you do, even if it means a hard choice to pass over a sentimental favorite.

All the reporting seemed to think UW was planning to hire Leonhard. There's every reason to believe that was what they thought...until Fickell expressed interest.

He may not work out; Leonhard may become a superstar (and may never forgive McIntosh for passing him over), but the decision isn't hard to understand.

Reasonably confident it had absolutely nothing to do with the backup quarterback not getting the offense to execute on 1st and goal from the five at the end of the Minnesota game.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 04:38:08 PM
Pretty sure the Leonhard to Fickell pivot was as simple as Fickell wasn't interested at first, then he was. When you have the chance to hire that guy, you do, even if it means a hard choice to pass over a sentimental favorite.

All the reporting seemed to think UW was planning to hire Leonhard. There's every reason to believe that was what they thought...until Fickell expressed interest.

He may not work out; Leonhard may become a superstar (and may never forgive McIntosh for passing him over), but the decision isn't hard to understand.

Reasonably confident it had absolutely nothing to do with the backup quarterback not getting the offense to execute on 1st and goal from the five at the end of the Minnesota game.
No question about that.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on November 28, 2022, 04:54:01 PM
Posted today.

(https://i.imgur.com/Zbhp3xs.png)


Looks like CLF is cleaning house.
Feels surprising unless he already knows who will get the jobs.

You'd have to assume Jimmy is too proud to stick around and has too many good options, and I wouldn't blame him.

Not sure how to feel about it, but Fickell already is a good coach, so he should do will (Jimmy will be a very good coach, and I imagine the admin could come back begging him to return if this doesn't work). 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 05:25:34 PM
If this doesn't work, Mac is gone too. Especially if he can't get M hockey and WBB fixed.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2022, 05:27:26 PM
yup, same with Trev
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 05:30:51 PM
Also, people seem to forget that despite JL being a great former player and great DC, Mac has some great history too.

Mac played in and won two Rose Bowls and was an All-American himself. He's no slouch when it comes to football.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
yup, same with Trev
He's gotta fix M Hockey too?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2022, 05:44:23 PM
it would help if Trev could get the basketball program to win 4 or 5 conference games
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 28, 2022, 08:37:38 PM
Thinking on this some more, and this is maybe the only marquis hire in the last 50+ years of Wisconsin athletic department history, let alone the football program history. Alvarez was a big get from ND. But he wasn't this big--hadn't been a head man before. Fickell is a national coach of the year at a mid-major that he took to the CFP--the kind of coach the big kids land when they need someone new. It's a big deal that Wisconsin made this move rather than following the promote/recruit from within structure it is used to. 

BFD.

That doesn't mean it will work out, but still: wow.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on November 29, 2022, 01:49:54 AM
Thinking on this some more, and this is maybe the only marquis hire in the last 50+ years of Wisconsin athletic department history, let alone the football program history. Alvarez was a big get from ND. But he wasn't this big--hadn't been a head man before. Fickell is a national coach of the year at a mid-major that he took to the CFP--the kind of coach the big kids land when they need someone new. It's a big deal that Wisconsin made this move rather than following the promote/recruit from within structure it is used to.

BFD.

That doesn't mean it will work out, but still: wow.
Barry was the top assistant in NCAA football when he was hired. Barry had done well at Iowa, and was elevated at Notre Dame. This is not bigger than Barry. Barry was widely believed to be the top head coach hire when Wisconsin hired him. I would say Fickell is fairly equivalent to Barry. But, then Fickell is where Scott Frost, was before Frost was hired at Nebraska.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2022, 06:45:49 AM
Who else was after Barry back then? I don't recall any "big" offers at the time.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2022, 06:49:40 AM
CLF said in his presser lately that JL could come back as DC. I'm guessing Associate Head Coach on top of that.

JL has three young kids and a farm close to Madison. He's turned down Bama and NFL DC offers. He loves Madison. We'll see.

Getting JL more experience under a proven head coach (other than CPC) would be great, because I think CLF would leave UW if/when OSU opens up and offers.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2022, 06:52:10 AM
 Fickell is where Scott Frost, was before Frost was hired at Nebraska.
Yes albeit it seemed with an undefeated resume and a team full of Florida kids Frost appeared more of a big splash hire
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 29, 2022, 10:00:23 AM
CLF said in his presser lately that JL could come back as DC. I'm guessing Associate Head Coach on top of that.

JL has three young kids and a farm close to Madison. He's turned down Bama and NFL DC offers. He loves Madison. We'll see.

Getting JL more experience under a proven head coach (other than CPC) would be great, because I think CLF would leave UW if/when OSU opens up and offers.
That's great.  There's nothing wrong with the Badgers' defense.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on November 29, 2022, 10:41:17 AM
Fickell is where Scott Frost, was before Frost was hired at Nebraska.
 I wouldn’t say this is exactly true. Fickell had a 10 year three times longer than Frost. But, it’s fair to say, that you were right that there is no résumé that guarantees success.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 29, 2022, 06:34:48 PM
I was a sophomore in high school--in California--when Wisconsin hired Barry, so my memory isn't exactly crystal clear about this, but my understanding is more like what Badge said above: yes, he was an up-and-coming hire, but no, he wasn't the kind of coach that traditionally strong programs were already salivating over. Regardless, even if he was a similarly marquis hire, this decision was a break from the Wisconsin mold in a pretty significant way.

And if Fickell can convince Leonhard to stick around, that will be one hell of a first recruiting job.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on November 30, 2022, 12:34:22 AM
I was a sophomore in high school--in California--when Wisconsin hired Barry, so my memory isn't exactly crystal clear about this, but my understanding is more like what Badge said above: yes, he was an up-and-coming hire, but no, he wasn't the kind of coach that traditionally strong programs were already salivating over. Regardless, even if he was a similarly marquis hire, this decision was a break from the Wisconsin mold in a pretty significant way.

And if Fickell can convince Leonhard to stick around, that will be one hell of a first recruiting job.
Fickell and Leonhard run two different defenses. They do not agree on defensive philosophy. I agree with you that Fickell should bend where Wisconsin is strong.
That said, from an Iowa perspective, hopefully Leonhard leaves for greener pastures not in the Big Ten. The Iowa O-Line has not figured out how to block against his defense.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2022, 09:35:58 AM
the Big 12 is looking for defensive coaches

as is the PAC
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2022, 05:30:14 PM
News came out on Friday that Wisconsin assistant Bob Bostad is going to be joining a another B1G coaching staff. Indy Star’s Tyler Tachman reported the news.

Bostad is set to become the next OL coach at Indiana. Bostad has experience in both college and at the NFL level. Bostad was an OL coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2012-2013.


__________________________________

is this the good coach or the bad coach?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2022, 10:09:43 AM
News came out on Friday that Wisconsin assistant Bob Bostad is going to be joining a another B1G coaching staff. Indy Star’s Tyler Tachman reported the news.

Bostad is set to become the next OL coach at Indiana. Bostad has experience in both college and at the NFL level. Bostad was an OL coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2012-2013.


__________________________________

is this the good coach or the bad coach?
Bostad came back to Wisconsin under PC, as the ILB coach, and he was fantastic. When PC pushed Rudolph out the door last year, he moved Bostad to OL coach.

The weak link on the team this year was the OL - and it's made up entirely of 4 and 5 STARZ. I've been told that the players didn't like his ass-kicking style of coaching. Maybe the players should all go to IU and let Bo stay home.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2022, 10:11:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0I6NHcL.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2022, 10:31:18 AM
Sipple is solid

not sure why Riaola would be retained

the O-line didn't show much improvement a tall
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on December 03, 2022, 12:16:14 PM
Bostad came back to Wisconsin under PC, as the ILB coach, and he was fantastic. When PC pushed Rudolph out the door last year, he moved Bostad to OL coach.

The weak link on the team this year was the OL - and it's made up entirely of 4 and 5 STARZ. I've been told that the players didn't like his ass-kicking style of coaching. Maybe the players should all go to IU and let Bo stay home.
not that the Gophers get many 4 stars but don't the higher Starred guys want more coddling than the guys that want to come in an prove something?  
an i understand its not every higher starred guy but in general terms?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 03, 2022, 06:10:42 PM
Jim Leonhard needs to get over Wisconsin. His obsession with that place is borderline creepy. They f'd you over hombre. They didn't want you to be the head coach. Passed over you twice now last two times that job came open.

Would be a mistake for Fickell to keep him around imo. Need to change the entire culture put your imprint on the thing. Those players all were begging for Leonhard to be the head coach. For sure some of them are still going to be loyal to him over Fickell. Could cause division in the locker room if there are any slight slip ups or hiccups- who knows if there is backstabbing and politicking to try and get Leonhard to replace you. Just saying.

If I was Fickell I'd have told him to look somewhere else and I'm bringing my guy to be the DC. They run completely different styles of defense as well not to mention.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2022, 06:40:38 AM
Jim Leonhard needs to get over Wisconsin. His obsession with that place is borderline creepy. They f'd you over hombre. They didn't want you to be the head coach. Passed over you twice now last two times that job came open.

Would be a mistake for Fickell to keep him around imo. Need to change the entire culture put your imprint on the thing. Those players all were begging for Leonhard to be the head coach. For sure some of them are still going to be loyal to him over Fickell. Could cause division in the locker room if there are any slight slip ups or hiccups- who knows if there is backstabbing and politicking to try and get Leonhard to replace you. Just saying.

If I was Fickell I'd have told him to look somewhere else and I'm bringing my guy to be the DC. They run completely different styles of defense as well not to mention.
Where you getting this? Twice?? PC hired JL to coach DB's in 2016. It was his first coaching job. JL was playing with the Browns when PC was hired.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2022, 06:42:13 AM
not that the Gophers get many 4 stars but don't the higher Starred guys want more coddling than the guys that want to come in an prove something? 
an i understand its not every higher starred guy but in general terms?
Seems like it.

I'd like to see UW go back to grabbing 2-3* out of the Fox Velley and Door County. Those kids are ass-kickers.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2022, 09:07:56 AM
Rhule has seemed to have success with the 2 & 3-stars @ Temple and Baylor

hopefully, he can do it in Lincoln

Billy C., Riley, and Frost chased the stars - caught a few - the fans luved it

Pelini and Solich did not - of course the fans hated it
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 04, 2022, 06:59:42 PM
Graham Mertz entered the transfer portal. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 04, 2022, 07:04:27 PM
Graham Mertz entered the transfer portal.
I will be fascinated to see where he lands. I understand he probably wanted a fresh start. I also wonder if the new staff pushed him out at all or if they wanted to keep him around.

I would’ve wanted to keep him around, but I also understand if he didn’t wanna stay
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on December 04, 2022, 08:47:35 PM
I will be fascinated to see where he lands. I understand he probably wanted a fresh start. I also wonder if the new staff pushed him out at all or if they wanted to keep him around.

I would’ve wanted to keep him around, but I also understand if he didn’t wanna stay
i think Metrz reads blogs
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 04, 2022, 09:02:05 PM
His season was only modestly better than Petras's. I am guessing the coaching staff is being realistic about his opportunities with him.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 04, 2022, 09:03:23 PM
His season was only modestly better than Petras's. I am guessing the coaching staff is being realistic about his opportunities with him.
I mean, they don’t have any other QBs. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2022, 09:26:57 PM
the portal is full of QBs

Does Luke have one in tow?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 04, 2022, 11:53:50 PM
Fickell and Leonhard run two different defenses. They do not agree on defensive philosophy. I agree with you that Fickell should bend where Wisconsin is strong.
That said, from an Iowa perspective, hopefully Leonhard leaves for greener pastures not in the Big Ten. The Iowa O-Line has not figured out how to block against his defense.
I think it would be a stretch to say that they don’t agree.

Leonard has only been coaching for seven seasons. He learned Dave Aranda’s defense and worked under Justin Wilcox’s. He also played in a 4-down system in college and more than a few kinds of systems in the pros.

In short, while he has been successful with odd fronts, it’s not like he couldn’t choose to be adaptable.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 05, 2022, 12:03:02 AM
I mean, they don’t have any other QBs.
Wisconsin has two freshman QBs on the roster.
Marshall Howe, a 2* from Avondale, Conn. whose only other offers were from FCS schools.
Myles Burkett, a 3* from Franklin, Wisc. who had offers from 4 MAC schools.
The Wisc. State Journal says that a Wisc. QB recruit from Colorado was told there were going to be changes at QB at Wisc., and they wanted a QB that could run. What Luke Fickell is telling Wisconsin's 2023 quarterback commit about his role (badgerextra.com)
 (https://badgerextra.com/sports/football/recruiting/what-luke-fickell-is-telling-wisconsins-2023-quarterback-commit-about-his-role/article_3428d49a-728c-11ed-b470-930c843299a9.html#_ga=2.122035400.257413607.1670215295-1049698375.1670215290)Then this on Twitter Evan Flood on Twitter: "Luke Fickell said he spoke with Graham Mertz before his decision to transfer: "We want nothing more than the best for him. I encouraged him to stick around here and see how the changes go. "That's not what I wanted him to do, but I respect that." #Badgers" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1599536028716388352?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1599536028716388352|twgr^e4c1eb075df534c2fe99d22b8653c064ea3dd270|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbadgerswire.usatoday.com%2Flists%2Fwisconsin-players-react-to-qb-graham-mertzs-decision-to-enter-the-transfer-portal%2F) I suspect the Wisc. State Journal article quoting the recruit expresses the sentiment of the new coaching staff more accurately. Or, maybe Wisconsin really did want Mertz to stick around and carry refreshments onto the field during timeouts. (https://badgerextra.com/sports/football/recruiting/what-luke-fickell-is-telling-wisconsins-2023-quarterback-commit-about-his-role/article_3428d49a-728c-11ed-b470-930c843299a9.html#_ga=2.122035400.257413607.1670215295-1049698375.1670215290)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 05, 2022, 12:26:49 AM
Wisconsin has two freshman QBs on the roster.
Marshall Howe, a 2* from Avondale, Conn. whose only other offers were from FCS schools.
Myles Burkett, a 3* from Franklin, Wisc. who had offers from 4 MAC schools.
The Wisc. State Journal says that a Wisc. QB recruit from Colorado was told there were going to be changes at QB at Wisc., and they wanted a QB that could run. What Luke Fickell is telling Wisconsin's 2023 quarterback commit about his role (badgerextra.com)
 (https://badgerextra.com/sports/football/recruiting/what-luke-fickell-is-telling-wisconsins-2023-quarterback-commit-about-his-role/article_3428d49a-728c-11ed-b470-930c843299a9.html#_ga=2.122035400.257413607.1670215295-1049698375.1670215290)Then this on Twitter Evan Flood on Twitter: "Luke Fickell said he spoke with Graham Mertz before his decision to transfer: "We want nothing more than the best for him. I encouraged him to stick around here and see how the changes go. "That's not what I wanted him to do, but I respect that." #Badgers" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1599536028716388352?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1599536028716388352|twgr^e4c1eb075df534c2fe99d22b8653c064ea3dd270|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbadgerswire.usatoday.com%2Flists%2Fwisconsin-players-react-to-qb-graham-mertzs-decision-to-enter-the-transfer-portal%2F) I suspect the Wisc. State Journal article quoting the recruit expresses the sentiment of the new coaching staff more accurately. Or, maybe Wisconsin really did want Mertz to stick around and carry refreshments onto the field during timeouts. (https://badgerextra.com/sports/football/recruiting/what-luke-fickell-is-telling-wisconsins-2023-quarterback-commit-about-his-role/article_3428d49a-728c-11ed-b470-930c843299a9.html#_ga=2.122035400.257413607.1670215295-1049698375.1670215290)
Yep. Basically nothing in terms of remaining QB talent (Burkett might be good, but a lot of projection there). 

I'd assume the State Journal article sentiments are in some part trying to shore up a member of the class so you don't have to  get another kid that late. Not that the offense won't let the QB run more, but you tell a kid what he likes to hear. No matter what they run, there's a good chance Mertz would be running it better than any of the QBs mentioned above, so his main worry would be whatever transfer they land. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 05, 2022, 12:31:23 AM
Jim Leonhard needs to get over Wisconsin. His obsession with that place is borderline creepy. They f'd you over hombre. They didn't want you to be the head coach. Passed over you twice now last two times that job came open.
That's gotta be one of the strangest things I've ever read on a message board. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 05, 2022, 01:52:27 AM
Yep. Basically nothing in terms of remaining QB talent (Burkett might be good, but a lot of projection there).

I'd assume the State Journal article sentiments are in some part trying to shore up a member of the class so you don't have to  get another kid that late. Not that the offense won't let the QB run more, but you tell a kid what he likes to hear. No matter what they run, there's a good chance Mertz would be running it better than any of the QBs mentioned above, so his main worry would be whatever transfer they land.
I appreciate your insight. This Colo. recruit was a Bearcats recruit who is now a Badger recruit. Change is ahead for the Wisc. offense. I suspect it will go a bit faster, and will not mostly be a pro style offense.
The punishing RBs will continue to decimate opponents, at times the QB isnot passing and running circles around the Hawkeyes defense.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 05, 2022, 07:45:19 AM
I don't understand why we already have 2023 offseason threads for teams who are going to bowl games. 2022 is not over.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 05, 2022, 05:55:00 PM
I don't understand why we already have 2023 offseason threads for teams who are going to bowl games. 2022 is not over.
It may as well be over.
BTW, who do you project at QB for Wisconsin in the "Copper Bowl?"
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 05, 2022, 06:55:26 PM
Mike Samuel?   Wrong century.  
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 05, 2022, 08:11:36 PM
It may as well be over.
BTW, who do you project at QB for Wisconsin in the "Copper Bowl?"
A. There’s a game to play and a win to chase. Ain’t over. 

B. All Wildcat
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on December 06, 2022, 10:25:52 PM
Jim Leonhard will coach through the bowl game and then move on

https://twitter.com/jimleonhard?lang=en

sorry not sure how to dump Twitter pages here

thought that Fickle would try to keep Jim at least
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: WhiskeyM on December 06, 2022, 10:40:09 PM
Word is 2 NFL teams in need of a DC had contacted him.

Lol, it would appear Leonhard has taken MDots advice.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 06, 2022, 11:12:25 PM
Word is 2 NFL teams in need of a DC had contacted him.

Lol, it would appear Leonhard has taken MDots advice.
it would be any reasonable persons advice. why stick around somewhere that clearly doesn't appreciate you or want you? 

he's got the resume to go be a DC in the NFL or get a HC somewhere in G5 or FCS. he should go do that- and it looks like he is doing just that. level up the resume, get HC experience and if Fickell doesn't work out in 3-5 years BOOM you could try and get the HC job at Wisconsin if you still want it that bad.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 06, 2022, 11:44:26 PM
Figured this was more biding time than anything else.

Have the agent reach out to blue bloods changing DCs and NFL teams. Keep the possibility of taking that $1.5 million and not having to move alive. 

Wish it hadn't happened like this, but too late now. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 07, 2022, 12:21:29 AM
Jim Leonhard will coach through the bowl game and then move on

https://twitter.com/jimleonhard?lang=en

sorry not sure how to dump Twitter pages here

thought that Fickle would try to keep Jim at least
I thought Fickell did keep Jim Leonhard per what I read 2-days ago. Sheesh! He is a brilliant defensive coach.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 07, 2022, 07:02:17 AM
Is Luke Fickell Wisconsin's Rich Rodriguez?  The thought did occur to me.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 07, 2022, 08:00:04 AM
Jim Leonhard will coach through the bowl game and then move on

https://twitter.com/jimleonhard?lang=en

sorry not sure how to dump Twitter pages here

thought that Fickle would try to keep Jim at least
He did try.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 07, 2022, 08:09:24 AM

Class exit



(https://i.imgur.com/7JB8U9P.png)
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 07, 2022, 08:32:42 AM
Reflection is interesting.

Top 15 team. B1G West favorite. Head coach fired. 

Beloved former player named interim. Shit offense still. 

Best available head coach hired, allegedly. Beloved former player gone. Former 5* QB gone, along with many others. 

6-6. Bowl game against oSu. 

Soon to be 6-7, I imagine?

I hope Luke Fickel knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 07, 2022, 11:20:52 AM
Reflection is interesting.

Top 15 team. B1G West favorite. Head coach fired.

Beloved former player named interim. Shit offense still.

Best available head coach hired, allegedly. Beloved former player gone. Former 5* QB gone, along with many others.

6-6. Bowl game against oSu.

Soon to be 6-7, I imagine?

I hope Luke Fickel knows what he's doing.
He does.  Wisconsin style has proven successful through the years. Fickle Will only adjust it one notch. He is a very strong defensive mind and an offense he’ll want true balance. So a very strong run game but the ability to pass and move the ball downfield quickly, with at least a relatively mobile quarterback. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 07, 2022, 06:54:15 PM
this seems like a big time hire for Fickell to be his OC....

https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1600611064227381249?s=20&t=ypPYh_O9ZfFLRnl6idHnFw
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on December 07, 2022, 09:32:10 PM
Feels like a hard pivot, but probably an overdue one.  The Athletic college football podcast was debating the Mel.Tucker contract, and their recruiting guy shut it down, and said they have killed college football as anything other than a national title sport, but unlike basketball, there is way less randomness.  Mel Tucker may fail, but he's gunning for it.  Dantonio may have kept churning out 8-4 seasons, but 8-4 might as well be 4-8 with the current narrative.  So you might as well shoot for the moon, because the downside isn't worse than the worst case scenario.  Wisconsin is realizing the same.  They could just go 9-3 forever, lose in the CCG, and wind up in a random Alamo Bowl.  Or go for broke, and if it doesn't work, who cares, you missed an Alamo Bowl
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2022, 08:52:07 AM
this seems like a big time hire for Fickell to be his OC....

https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1600611064227381249?s=20&t=ypPYh_O9ZfFLRnl6idHnFw
Huge hire.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on December 09, 2022, 02:10:53 PM
I'm trying to figure out what this bowl game is going to look like? Spring scrimmage? New coach with no time to install the offense, starting players missing all over the place on both sides of the ball (for both teams).

If ever bowl games were meant as a reward for the players, this feels like that. Go to Phoenix. See the sights. Get some swag. Play a meaningless football game. Don't get hurt. No seriously, Braelon, no injuries. Maybe the freshman QB gets the start, but he has to know that Fickell is going to try to bring someone more senior in through the portal. (Get to know your new coaches a little while the intermingled outgoing and incoming coaching staffs awkwardly try to be nice to each other and avoid stepping on any toes so probably put together a really vanilla game plan.)

Gonna be weird.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 09, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
UW has never gone through anything like this. Weird, for sure.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2022, 03:10:29 PM
welcome to the carousel 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: WhiskeyM on December 09, 2022, 04:52:31 PM
Huge hire.

Hold up a minute, are you ok with Wisconsin playing girly football now??

Longo is someone that Purdue would hire.

😝
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2022, 09:16:16 AM
Nah. He's still gonna emphasize the power run game because he has to. The OL kids from the state say so.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2022, 09:54:52 AM
unfortunately, the O-line in-state kids aren't in charge
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 10, 2022, 11:04:02 AM
Huge hire.
I’m somewhat middling on this hire. It tends to be hard to run a good defense alongside that scheme. And I have seen in a couple spots that he is extremely abrasive to work with.

on the other hand, yards and points and yards and points
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 10, 2022, 12:42:49 PM
I’m somewhat middling on this hire. It tends to be hard to run a good defense alongside that scheme. And I have seen in a couple spots that he is extremely abrasive to work with.

on the other hand, yards and points and yards and points
have to think Fickell will take care of the defense....doubt Wisconsin will have a trash defense as long as Fickell is running the ship.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2022, 01:04:36 PM
Would really like them to stick with the 3-4 but that is in doubt. LB is a position that UW recruits well. It's the DL and DB recruiting that has always suffered. Maybe that changes now. Tough to get fast and tall FL kids to come to Madison. Always has been.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2022, 01:37:01 PM
Tony White is set to join Matt Rhule’s first staff at NU.

According to Pete Thamel of ESPN, White runs a 3-3-5 defense


Gonna need some big kids in the back 5 in run support in the West

or maybe not if Wisconsin goes away from the power run game
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 10, 2022, 07:05:01 PM
have to think Fickell will take care of the defense....doubt Wisconsin will have a trash defense as long as Fickell is running the ship.
Maybe, but if you run that O the way it's supposed to be run, you're not doing that defense any favors. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 10, 2022, 07:23:45 PM
Feels like a hard pivot, but probably an overdue one.  The Athletic college football podcast was debating the Mel.Tucker contract, and their recruiting guy shut it down, and said they have killed college football as anything other than a national title sport, but unlike basketball, there is way less randomness.  Mel Tucker may fail, but he's gunning for it.  Dantonio may have kept churning out 8-4 seasons, but 8-4 might as well be 4-8 with the current narrative.  So you might as well shoot for the moon, because the downside isn't worse than the worst case scenario.  Wisconsin is realizing the same.  They could just go 9-3 forever, lose in the CCG, and wind up in a random Alamo Bowl.  Or go for broke, and if it doesn't work, who cares, you missed an Alamo Bowl
To be fair, that recruiting guy is obsessed with the title race and not much of a believer in the idea of the spot being broad and interesting for the sake of being intersting. Like, the way to beat that narrative is just to do things like enjoying watching your team, even if it goes a hard-fought 7-5. Like, there's no rule a person can't do that, even if ESPN says stuff. 

The downside/worse case scenario is always interesting because it's broadly applied across sports in a sort of interesting way. There's always this temptation to reduce down the range of things that are pretty good. So you're either at the moon, or everything else is garbage. That writer also said he'd rather be 7-5 than 9-3 if it got a five-star QB development reps, something with a poor track record of mattering. (It also kind of sets aside the idea that being good is a step toward being great, which I always find a bit silly)

But when it comes down to it, once you're in the season, people live and die on each week. And if you're saying one third of the season of feeling bad/not caring doesn't matter, it just kind of feels like a self defense mechanism. I've watched 6-6 teams and 9-3 teams, and let me tell you, 9-3 is a much, much more enjoyable experience, and that's why I watch, not to pine for a title run I'm not likely to get. 

The Tucker bit is interesting. His pitch, and the pitch The Athletic writer bought, was that because he could pull blue chippers at places that pull blue chippers, he could maybe do it in EL. It's the same pitch as Ed O in Mississipi, Tim Brewster in Minnesota. Maybe it totally works, but probably won't. And in a lot of cases, then you get feasted on by the 9-3ers or the world. And maybe the 4-8 team feels the same as the 9-3 team, but I've never felt that. On the other hand, Fleck came to Minnesota as the talent collected, albeit one that could never draft off a power brand. And somehow, he is still in that middle tier, with perfectly nice recruiting because it's hard to get really good kids from warm places to come to cold ones. (It also leaves me thinking about Will Muschamp, a legendary recruiter, who went to a non-recruiting power and delivered, basically classes within that school's normal range)

Anyway, that's something I had a lot of thoughts about, less focused on Wisconsin or MSU, but just because I listen to that pod. 
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on December 10, 2022, 09:28:55 PM
I never felt that before maybe 2016, but I do now.  This 5-7 MM SU season didn't feel any different than Mark Dantonios late era Redbox Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl season.

What's the point in trying to win an arbitrary number of games to play in an exhibition game that all of your good players skip?  We've already gone this route in pro sports, with tanking.  Nobody cares about being decent.  They'd rather be horrible, for the chance to be great.

And don't get it wrong, I hate it.  I was stoked when MSU got bowl eligible in 2007.  And to be in a NYD bow the next year was cloud nine.  But as a realist, nobody cares.  Recruits don't care.  The media doesn't care.  Every sport has turned into title contenders or nothin
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 11, 2022, 12:26:39 AM
I never felt that before maybe 2016, but I do now.  This 5-7 MM SU season didn't feel any different than Mark Dantonios late era Redbox Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl season.

What's the point in trying to win an arbitrary number of games to play in an exhibition game that all of your good players skip?  We've already gone this route in pro sports, with tanking.  Nobody cares about being decent.  They'd rather be horrible, for the chance to be great.

And don't get it wrong, I hate it.  I was stoked when MSU got bowl eligible in 2007.  And to be in a NYD bow the next year was cloud nine.  But as a realist, nobody cares.  Recruits don't care.  The media doesn't care.  Every sport has turned into title contenders or nothin
But in the grand scheme, a lot of folks do care. They care week in and week out. I've seen teams that slip. I've seen folks howl  through bad season. A lot of folks say they won't care, til they're hit with losses. I bet a good number of folks cared about the IU loss. Even if it meant some arbitrary trip to some random locale. 

And in the truth, there is no tanking in this sport. It's illusionary. This sport thrives on vibes. And winning some if good for vibes. You want to win because winning feels good. 

A lot of fans still care. I'd disagree with some of that. Recruits do care, we see it often. Media, it's a big cadre. They're gonna thump coaches when they, yes, lose. And some turn too much attention to the playoff, but the beauty is, I don't have to care about them. I care about getting to watch ball and my team, and break down what happens to the roster and what the next season might bring. Talent will come in as it does. Media will blather. Coaches long ago decided to punt on some games (All games are exhibitions, really), and I stuck with it becuase I like seeing weird teams play and some kids have fun doing it. If one decides to care and it brings them joy, then why put any stock in how someone else feels about it?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 11, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
I hope Fick truly knows what he's in for with the UW admissions department. 

Or said department finally relaxes standards to keep up.

I used to be proud of the strict standards. Now that CFB is no longer truly played by student-athletes, F it.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2022, 06:15:15 AM


of all the new coaches in the West, think Fickell was by far the best hire "on paper" and has the best chance of success imo.
Everything is in place for him to have success.

New facilities (Fick demand) are ready for construction. Tha fanbase is rabid. Camp Randall is great. Madison is a great college town - among the best.

Biggest thing?

The new Chancellor apparently gives a shit about football. She approved of this change, which did not come cheap.



Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2022, 06:26:32 AM


I keep telling you- your going to like that dude as your coach

He's growing on me. I wish he could have kept Leonhard as DC, but it was not to be.


Now he's "lost" OLB coach (and ace recruiter) Bobby April. That's huge. Looks like CB coach Hank Poteat is also a goner. Not sure about DL Ross Kolodziej. He's also done a great job and I hope he stays.

I was really hoping April would stay on as co-DC/LB and keep the band together. Defense was absolutely NOT the problem in Madison.

The 3-4 worked because UW can recruit LB's (clearly). They do OK at DL too. The trouble has been in the back end - particularly at corner.

How Tressel will install a 3-3-5. Hopefully he does that gradually because he absolutely does not have enough corners to do it today.

Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 22, 2022, 08:05:27 PM
apparently Rhule's new D coordinator loves the 3-3-5
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 25, 2022, 10:17:51 AM
Bowl game in two days. 10:15 EST start. Gonna have to take nap so I can watch this one.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 25, 2022, 10:27:56 AM
Bowl game in two days. 10:15 EST start. Gonna have to take nap so I can watch this one.
Local Alumni Association says they’re having a watch party. 

we are going to swing by, scope out the crowd, and if it’s light, we will leave at the end of the first quarter.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 25, 2022, 10:36:36 AM
I’m somewhat middling on this hire. It tends to be hard to run a good defense alongside that scheme. And I have seen in a couple spots that he is extremely abrasive to work with.

on the other hand, yards and points and yards and points
I was looking at UNC stats this morning. It was about 50-50 run-pass, and I imagine it will be more like 40-60 run-pass in Madison because of what he has at RB right now.

For 2022, UW was 60-40 run-pass. In 2011, with Russell Wilson, UW was 65-35!! RW had 79 rushing attempts.

It's gonna look different for sure. I think it will also be better. Really looking forward to this.

Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 25, 2022, 04:44:54 PM
I guess the UW coaches were right about this guy. Hopefully he can lose some weight and make a difference. Best wishes.

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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2022, 08:55:32 AM
Jake Chaney plays LB for Wisconsin. His father was the high school coach at Lehigh Acres, which is very near here.

Anyway, the old man is a good dude, who has left Lehigh to go be an assistant under Prime at Colorado.

Hopefully his kid stays put. Class act for sure.

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Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 27, 2022, 11:57:56 AM
An article in the Dubuque paper today said Luke Fickell will be on the sidelines but determination of who will start at QB, and other major decisions will be made by interim coach Jim Leonhard in the bowl game.
Is Luke Fickell coaching in the bowl practices, coaching in the bowl game, or does he simply have a "sideline pass"?
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2022, 12:21:52 PM
He's a guest, just as Chryst was when King Barry coached the bowl game when Gerry left.
Title: Re: 2022 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2022, 12:40:08 PM
Highly respected Badger beat guy. Wow.

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