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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on December 08, 2021, 05:30:02 PM
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really don't understand these people. no one makes kids sign early. if they don't want to sign Dec 15th- then they can just wait until the regular signing period like everyone else.
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1468707756274114564?s=20
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"no one makes kids sign early"
Kind of? Coaches very often pressure kids to sign early, with the threat of pulling offers either implied or stated directly. So people with more power just leverage the hell out of them.
The idea with this was to let kids who were in a stable spot recruiting-wise shut things down, with perhaps the bonus that it would slow down some of the drive to fire everyone.
Instead, it's just encouraged earlier and more aggressive hirings and firings. And once those happen, more kids who were stable suddenly are not, and then they scramble to something more stable and things get weirder and more messy. I was here for the early signing period. At the moment, it's not really affected behaviors or situations positively, and thus, I wouldn't mind seeing a rollback.
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really don't understand these people. no one makes kids sign early. if they don't want to sign Dec 15th- then they can just wait until the regular signing period like everyone else.
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1468707756274114564?s=20
Both Signing Periods should be during dead periods. They need to move it up to August.
The December Signing period benefits nobody, other than coaches.
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"no one makes kids sign early"
Kind of? Coaches very often pressure kids to sign early, with the threat of pulling offers either implied or stated directly. So people with more power just leverage the hell out of them.
The idea with this was to let kids who were in a stable spot recruiting-wise shut things down, with perhaps the bonus that it would slow down some of the drive to fire everyone.
Instead, it's just encouraged earlier and more aggressive hirings and firings. And once those happen, more kids who were stable suddenly are not, and then they scramble to something more stable and things get weirder and more messy. I was here for the early signing period. At the moment, it's not really affected behaviors or situations positively, and thus, I wouldn't mind seeing a rollback.
Yawn.
No one makes them sign anything. They either sign or they don't. They can wait til NSD in Feb if they wish.
And it works both ways. Kids can sign early and ensure they have a spot locked in 100% which some might want to do vs waiting til NSD and the shitshow fricken flip season chaos bullshit drama that happens in Feb on NSD and those kids lose a spot and get processed for higher ranked kids that coaches weren't thinking they were going to get.
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Then make it August
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Both Signing Periods should be during dead periods. They need to move it up to August.
The December Signing period benefits nobody, other than coaches.
agree 100% with this.
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The original signing period was over a few months in the spring, which matched what most seniors do. That turned into signing day. So they make an early signing day, and now nearly everyone signs then. I don't have strong feelings about it, but not sure they ever needed to change it in the first place.
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Yawn.
No one makes them sign anything. They either sign or they don't. They can wait til NSD in Feb if they wish.
And it works both ways. Kids can sign early and ensure they have a spot locked in 100% which some might want to do vs waiting til NSD and the shitshow fricken flip season chaos bullshit drama that happens in Feb on NSD and those kids lose a spot and get processed for higher ranked kids that coaches weren't thinking they were going to get.
Yeah, we basically just get a month an a half or more of panicked flip season chaos bullshit drama now. It just runs from November through mid December.
WooHoo.
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I guess that's probably why they want to move it back. Coaches don't want to deal with that crap at all, but they really don't want to deal with it while they are in the season.
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I think the original intentions for the early signing day were good, but it ended up harming more than it helped. Probably time to make another change.
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August.
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I guess that's probably why they want to move it back. Coaches don't want to deal with that crap at all, but they really don't want to deal with it while they are in the season.
yeah, and do you blame them?
recruiting is a god damn joke. NFL is a tougher/more competitive job for a lot of reasons- less teams, can't schedule wins, best of the best players and coaches in the world, salary cap restrictions, better you do lower your draft picks are, etc., etc..
But- I think I'd much rather be an NFL coach because: no recruiting. Recruiting has got to be the biggest single pain in the ass part of being a college coach. I would hate the living shit out of it. I don't know how these guys do it.
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yeah, and do you blame them?
recruiting is a god damn joke. NFL is a tougher/more competitive job for a lot of reasons- less teams, can't schedule wins, best of the best players and coaches in the world, salary cap restrictions, better you do lower your draft picks are, etc., etc..
But- I think I'd much rather be an NFL coach because: no recruiting. Recruiting has got to be the biggest single pain in the ass part of being a college coach. I would hate the living shit out of it. I don't know how these guys do it.
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LOL. True. And the money these coaches are making now is insane. $80-100 million deals being handed out like candy.
just don't know how they deal with having to grind year round kissing the ass of entitled snot nosed high school bastard kids and beg them and their families to come play for them. and then when they "commit" they have to recruit them even harder to keep them and make sure they don't flip. sounds like a complete f'ng headache.
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August.
I get less and less sure what this solves. I thought the other early signing day would solve things, but it hasn’t really.
The coaches want order. And a kid who wants to wait goes against that sense of order. So the could will bring all the leverage he has to bear. And then the kids signing in August won’t just be the ones who totally know where they want to go, but instead the ones who are worried they’ll be left without a boat, in part because the coach will play up the fact their might not be room in that boat.
There’s simply so much short term thinking, sense of scarcity and thought that a coach can work out of issues that pushing things early just creates more violent ripples down the line.
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I get less and less sure what this solves. I thought the other early signing day would solve things, but it hasn’t really.
The coaches want order. And a kid who wants to wait goes against that sense of order. So the could will bring all the leverage he has to bear. And then the kids signing in August won’t just be the ones who totally know where they want to go, but instead the ones who are worried they’ll be left without a boat, in part because the coach will play up the fact their might not be room in that boat.
There’s simply so much short term thinking, sense of scarcity and thought that a coach can work out of issues that pushing things early just creates more violent ripples down the line.
you're making a lot of pretty big assumptions.
there are plenty of kids who know where they want to go and are just done with the process and want to sign and get it over with and not have to deal with all the drama and bullshit of coaches trying to blow up their phones, instagrams, twitters and negative recruit and get them to flip. plenty of kids know where they want to go and aren't little drama queen bitches and want to just sign and get it over with and not have to deal with being hounded by coaches from other teams and reporters from other teams recruiting websites hounding them for interviews or quotes.
the baby ass candy ass drama queen attention seeker self-entitled douchebag kids that like the attention and show and drama all still have til NSD in Feb or even longer to make their decisions. having an early signing day changes none of that. no one makes these kids sign or not sign anything. if they want to sign early they can. if they want to wait and take their time til NSD or even past- they can.
edit: and also, with the portal- doesn't really matter now. these kids are not locked in. if they don't like the decision they made- they can just hit the portal and transfer to a new school without having to sit and lose eligbility. so...with the portal- see even less reason why an early singing day is bad.
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you're making a lot of pretty big assumptions.
there are plenty of kids who know where they want to go and are just done with the process and want to sign and get it over with and not have to deal with all the drama and bullshit of coaches trying to blow up their phones, instagrams, twitters and negative recruit and get them to flip. plenty of kids know where they want to go and aren't little drama queen bitches and want to just sign and get it over with and not have to deal with being hounded by coaches from other teams and reporters from other teams recruiting websites hounding them for interviews or quotes.
the baby ass candy ass drama queen attention seeker self-entitled douchebag kids that like the attention and show and drama all still have til NSD in Feb or even longer to make their decisions. having an early signing day changes none of that. no one makes these kids sign or not sign anything. if they want to sign early they can. if they want to wait and take their time til NSD or even past- they can.
edit: and also, with the portal- doesn't really matter now. these kids are not locked in. if they don't like the decision they made- they can just hit the portal and transfer to a new school without having to sit and lose eligbility. so...with the portal- see even less reason why an early singing day is bad.
If a coach says "you can come play at Michigan, but only if you sign now. If not, no guarantees," is seems like someone is trying to make them sign. And that happens a lot of places. I'd bet there are very few coaches who just say "hey, sign when you feel like, you can be just about guaranteed you'll have a spot." And if you don't think that's commonplace, you might just have too much trust in authority figures.
And as you pointed out with the portal, we'll just accelerate shit. Coaches crave order. They'll sign up as many as they can in August. And then when they realize they messed up after a bad senior year, they'll run them off. And a ton of kids will end up transferring before they play. And like one in six signees will get released from their LOIs when their HC gets or hired away. Look at everything we've solved.
It'll always be messy, that's the deal. But, in retrospect with the data we have, deciding later, when every kid is older and more experienced is actually probably better. And it allows the coaching transitions to move more smoothly without mass acceleration to save or build garbage transition classes.
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Andy Staples was discussing this today, and that it wasn't coaches, it was ADs who didn't want coaches to have leverage over them because of classes they signed in August
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ADs only have themselves to blame
they've allowed coaches to bend them over for the past couple decades