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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: Temp430 on December 02, 2021, 08:56:09 AM
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Game is at Noon on ABC. OSU is favored by 5.5 points O/U 46.5.
Baylor's chances diminish somewhat without the return of starting QB Gerry Bohanon from a hamstring pull a couple weeks ago.
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I won't ever root for Baylor, so, go Pokes, I guess.
Do it for Mateo Grande!
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good enough reasons for me
except I like to root for the underdog and fewer one-loss teams
Go Pokes!!
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It would be something indeed if the Pokes won the B12, and went to the CFP, in the same year that Texas completely imploded and OU lost their coach to another school in surprising fashion , all immediately following UT and OU announcing they're leaving oSu and everyone else behind.
If I were a Pokes fan, I'd get a really solid chuckle out of all of that.
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and the Big 12 gets their favorite 11am time slot for the big game
ratings, baby!!!
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Horns played 8/12 games at 11 AM this past season. I don't complain about it constantly like a whiney sooner titty-baby, but it does get old after a while.
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Will it sell out?
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I have no idea.
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Horns played 8/12 games at 11 AM this past season. I don't complain about it constantly like a whiney sooner titty-baby, but it does get old after a while.
That seems unwarranted.
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Will it sell out?
I doubt it.
OU vs. Baylor in 2019 had 65,191 as the official attendance figure.
Normal capacity is 80,000.
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It speaks volumes that the 11am time slot is the Big 12's "National broadcast". Everything else is regional. There's just no teams in the league that warrant interrupting ABC or ESPN on Saturday night.
The league is 3 years away from competing with "WWE SmackDown" on Friday night at 7pm.
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It speaks volumes that the 11am time slot is the Big 12's "National broadcast". Everything else is regional. There's just no teams in the league that warrant interrupting ABC or ESPN on Saturday night.
The league is 3 years away from competing with "WWE SmackDown" on Friday night at 7pm.
TX-OU would be an evening primetime game every year, except it never can be, because dumping 150,000 drunken Longhorn and Sooner fans into that neighborhood in East Dallas at 11 PM or midnight would be a disaster of mind-boggling proportions.
That seems unwarranted.
Yeah it for sure was. But you're our hated archrival and I'm bitter and angry about this shite season, so there you have it.
;)
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:86:
Reminds me of a long-ago game of Risk with 2-3 of my fraternity brothers. One of them--losing and desperate--broke a deal we had, and I said, "That was a cheap shot!"
He said, "Yeah, but it this point, I'm reduced to cheap shots!"
He died of cancer a couple of years ago. When he was dying but still lucid, I reminded him of that, and complimented him on his candor and on not trying to offer some plausible but dishonest rationale.
So, to you I offer the same compliment.
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would be interesting to see if the Big 12 championship at 11am opposed to nothing would gather better ratings than the Big Ten championship game (Fox) at 7pm opposed to the 7pm ACC championship game (ABC)
of course CBS with the SEC at 3pm wins
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would be interesting to see if the Big 12 championship at 11am opposed to nothing would gather better ratings than the Big Ten championship game (Fox) at 7pm opposed to the 7pm ACC championship game (ABC)
of course CBS with the SEC at 3pm wins
Well the B1G championship game has Michigan in it, and the B12 championship game doesn't have Texas or OU in it, so I'd expect it to be a complete ratings drubbing no matter the time slot.
A better comparison would be, how does the B1G championship game do with, say, Illinois versus Maryland, compared to the B12 championship game with Baylor and OkState?
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agreed, Iowa isn't a big draw, but Michigan is
a better comparison would have been Iowa/Michigan Sate back in 2015, but the Big 12 has had a Texas or Nebraska or Oklahoma in the Champ game every season except for 98 when K-State and A&M played
98 was a weird season
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agreed, Iowa isn't a big draw, but Michigan is
a better comparison would have been Iowa/Michigan Sate back in 2015, but the Big 12 has had a Texas or Nebraska or Oklahoma in the Champ game every season except for 98 when K-State and A&M played
98 was a weird season
Yup. By season's end Texas might have been the best team in the B12, but the early losses in Mack Brown's first season cost us a shot at the division title. And then the ags cockroached the poor purple kitties.
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My conjecture is that, yes, it's better to have a school with a large fan base in a game than not, but the game's national relevance is more of a factor than the schools playing.
Notre Dame and Cincy are both pulling for Baylor in a close game. With 2 losses (1 bad), they're not going to impact the top 4. An oSu win could move them into the CFP. As such. this game is nationally relevant and should move the needle closer to 4million.
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Good points, Mr T.
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agreed, Iowa isn't a big draw, but Michigan is
a better comparison would have been Iowa/Michigan Sate back in 2015, but the Big 12 has had a Texas or Nebraska or Oklahoma in the Champ game every season except for 98 when K-State and A&M played
98 was a weird season
98 was a wonderful year. And that was a great A&M team.
A&M 1998 Big 12 Champions defeated #2 NU and #1 KSU. Seems crazy we never won another one, but in that same vein I believe 1999 was Nebraska’s last as well.
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Well that was a bit surprising. I believed it would be a close game but thought that oSu would be able to pull it out.
I don't like Baylor for some obvious reasons, but I do like droog, who is a long-suffering Baylor fan as well as being a UT fan.
So for droog and droog alone, I say, congrats to Baylor. :)
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I'm a Baptist who wishes that the earth would open up and swallow Baylor. And my oldest stepson is an oSu grad who was at the game.
However, I too offer sincere congratulations to Mr Tulip.
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Ive been resisting asking this but now I really got to
why the continued hate for Baylor of something that happened years ago
the coaches have been replaced
has something else happened to generate the continued hate
Have the present folks in power there not gone at lengths to make sure it doesnt happen again.
I have no great love of Baylor but you guys are way out there and I just wonder why
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talked about this last night during the Iowa game with a friend that knows one of the female lawyers that investigated Briles at the time
Had Art in a room with 3 female lawyers grilling him for 3-4 hours.
He asked where the guys where? he Was very sure he was going to get off the hook and had some serious charisma, even while being grilled.
She thought he was a horrible human
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talked about this last night during the Iowa game with a friend that knows one of the female lawyers that investigated Briles at the time
Had Art in a room with 3 female lawyers grilling him for 3-4 hours.
He asked where the guys where? he Was very sure he was going to get off the hook and had some serious charisma, even while being grilled.
She thought he was a horrible human
yes Ive heard the same thing
Didnt Baylor fire him
Hitler was also a horrible man as well but I dont hate Germany or its people
Maybe Im missing something here
has anything happened since that would cause continued hate
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it just takes a few years for emotions to wane
similar to Penn St.
this lawyer lady was also involved in the investigation of Paterno
she didn't like him either, thought him guilty of knowing what was going on
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it just takes a few years for emotions to wane
similar to Penn St.
this lawyer lady was also involved in the investigation of Paterno
she didn't like him either, thought him guilty of knowing what was going on
I feel exactly the same disgust and hatred for Penn State that I do for Baylor. There is zero difference in those two programs.
I won't go into it because I don't want to make droog feel attacked or uncomfortable, I'll just say that no, everyone responsible for the issues at Baylor has not been fired or replaced because it went all the way up to the top including the Board of Directors.
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Ive been resisting asking this but now I really got to
why the continued hate for Baylor of something that happened years ago
the coaches have been replaced
has something else happened to generate the continued hate
Have the present folks in power there not gone at lengths to make sure it doesnt happen again.
I have no great love of Baylor but you guys are way out there and I just wonder why
Baylor never came clean. Still hasn't come clean. But the problem was bigger than Art Briles and the football program, bad as they were. Baylor's got a noisy faction of alums who think Art Briles got a raw deal and wish that they could get him back. I can't think of any Div I university that is affiliated with any Protestant church that even makes a decent effort to simulate carrying out a religious mission, but Baylor's affiliated with MY Protestant denomination and I wish they weren't.
To your question: "Have the present folks in power there not gone at lengths to make sure it doesn't happen again?" my answer is this: "Have they?"
I know that they fired a bunch of people. They fired Ken Starr, for example. But did he get fired for allowing a rape culture to go on within the football program, or for embarrassing the school by allowing the situation to come out in the open?
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And it's not just the football team rapes and coverups. It was the basketball team's murder and coverup. It was the baseball team's rampant misconduct. All of this went on for decades, was known by the administration, and if it weren't for the egregious nature of the systemic rape culture in the football program, that simply became too big to cover up, it would still be occurring.
And, as C-Dubb said, there is a non-minimal portion of that fan base that still believes the rape culture and coverups were overblown and that Baylor got a raw deal, just as there is a portion of the Pedo State fan base that thinks the same. I interact with some regularly, and as long as there are people out there that refuse to accept that their school's win-at-all-costs culture is evil and should be ripped out at the roots, then I won't be able to feel anything but loathing for those programs.
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My conjecture is that, yes, it's better to have a school with a large fan base in a game than not, but the game's national relevance is more of a factor than the schools playing.
Notre Dame and Cincy are both pulling for Baylor in a close game. With 2 losses (1 bad), they're not going to impact the top 4. An oSu win could move them into the CFP. As such. this game is nationally relevant and should move the needle closer to 4million.
Missed it by... that much. :)
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This basically describes my engineering skills.
I absolutely had the theory correct, and saw what the trend was going to be and what would happen. Completely tanked the math!
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This basically describes my engineering skills.
I absolutely had the theory correct, and saw what the trend was going to be and what would happen. Completely tanked the math!
Never underestimate the power of Baylor! :)
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Never underestimate the power of Baylor! :)
It just sucks, because it doesn't really represent reality, but I don't think they understand how forgotten they're going to be without Texas and OU. Texas absolutely blew chunks this season (really?), but teams still got rewarded for beating them. Baylor and oSu got national cred for beating OU.
Nobody in the next iteration of the Big 12 is going to move the national needle. They'll still play fun, exciting ball, but they'll do it on Friday nights (see "Championship, Pac-12").
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It just sucks, because it doesn't really represent reality, but I don't think they understand how forgotten they're going to be without Texas and OU. Texas absolutely blew chunks this season (really?), but teams still got rewarded for beating them. Baylor and oSu got national cred for beating OU.
Nobody in the next iteration of the Big 12 is going to move the national needle. They'll still play fun, exciting ball, but they'll do it on Friday nights (see "Championship, Pac-12").
Well they won't be any worse off than the PAC, and they'll still be better off than the ACC.
Remember how we've been saying for the past several years, "Well, the ACC is total crap, aside from Clemson." ?
Well now, we'll all be saying the same thing, but without the qualification. The ACC has been the worst conference in football for a over a decade and that's even WITH Clemson's outstanding run. Now, they're basically the Big East, but I'm not sure their basketball is even good enough to redeem them.
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Newsflash: A lot of people, myself included, watched the Big 12 ccg because it WAS NOT OU or Texas. OU winning the Big 12, again? YAWN. At least with oSu I can root for somebody.
What were the ratings for the Big 12 CCG for the last few years compared to this one? I’d be curious if they were better, same, or worse.
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That's fair. I didn't watch the SEC CCG because I'm tired of Alabama too.
But I'm sure you understand that you and I are in the minority. All things being equal, more people are going to tune in for Alabama or OU or Texas, that's just the way it is.
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I watched whatever bit of UGA/Bama I could catch. I didn't reroute my Saturday chores for it, but it was a good game and I had it on.
We're passionate cfb fans, but really, most of the ratings are driven by people with casual interest. Anyone who was up and watching sports at 11am CST was watching the Baylor/oSu game because it was more interesting than Kent State/WKU or whatever. There just wasn't anything to choose from.
It was also a good game and worth a look if you were a ND or Cincy fan or sympathizer. oSu winning would have an effect on their CFP odds. This one game this one time had a lot going for it. It doesn't mean anything about the Big 12 or the two teams involved outside of the one-time circumstance.
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That's fair. I didn't watch the SEC CCG because I'm tired of Alabama too.
But I'm sure you understand that you and I are in the minority. All things being equal, more people are going to tune in for Alabama or OU or Texas, that's just the way it is.
Oh I realize we're not the norm, but I'd still like to see how the ratings compare.