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Title: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2021, 07:09:57 AM
Bama UGA in Atlanta
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2021, 07:29:46 AM
Common opponents (which may not mean much):

at Auburn  24-22           34-10
Arky          42-35           37-0 
Tenn         42-24            41-17
Florida      31-29            34-7

Offensive output is similar, defense is not.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2021, 09:10:29 AM
George Pickens played in the game and had one catch yesterday.  He tore his ACL in Spring practice.  He would be a factor if healthy and 100%, or even 90%, though the other wide outs have done pretty well, especially Bower (TE).
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 28, 2021, 02:51:39 PM
No givens that either team will play like they have been playing....but if they do, Alabama is gonna hurt after this. 

How much does UGA blitz?  Cuz Bama's line is not handling that well these days. 

UGA is gonna have to derp this away to lose, I think.  And if they do, they are no longer my second favorite SEC team.  
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2021, 03:00:04 PM
I hope they blitz and often from varying angles.  I think they will see the obvious, Lanning is a pretty good DC.  Auburn dropped back into coverage late and it cost them the game.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 28, 2021, 03:23:34 PM
See my comment in the other thread with an uber-quick analysis of defenses.  UGA is giving up only 4.6 yards per pass attempt over the last month.  That's stout.  I'd have to pull up my old spread sheets to really compare it to something, but anything below 5 is very, very good. 

Alabama giving up 6.7, fwiw.  
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2021, 06:27:06 AM
Georgia has outscored its opponents 488 to 83 this season.

6.5 favorites over Bama, given a 2 out of 3 shot to win, and of course I understand they could well lose.  Bama should try and get their hands up against Bennett, as they did last time, more than rush him.  UGA should attack the Bama QB from various angles and keep him guessing and uncomfortable as Auburn did for most of the game.

Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: bamajoe on November 30, 2021, 09:35:56 PM
I think you are going to be surprised at what Alabama throws at Georgia. I think Bama makes Georgia pass and we'll see if Stetson Bennett can do the job. I expect a different qb for Georgia the second half.

Bama's major problem is they are down to their 5th running back. Sanders was highly regarded out of high school but fractured his hip in a car wreck last winter and has been used sparingly. He will be backed up by a wide receiver.

Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2021, 10:28:03 PM
With an OL blocking like that, it doesn't matter who the RB is.  They're not getting any yards.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: EastAthens on December 01, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
I think you are going to be surprised at what Alabama throws at Georgia. I think Bama makes Georgia pass and we'll see if Stetson Bennett can do the job. I expect a different qb for Georgia the second half.

Bama's major problem is they are down to their 5th running back. Sanders was highly regarded out of high school but fractured his hip in a car wreck last winter and has been used sparingly. He will be backed up by a wide receiver.

This is my concern.  Grantham crowded the middle of the field and except for that 2 minute flurry, UGA only scored 13 points in the other 58 minutes.  Bennett threw 2 terrible interceptions trying to throw deep outs.  He just does not have that arm.  Think  Saban and staff noticed?  But Bama still has that oline and Young has to survive to score.  UGA 27 Alabama 17 and this would make me so happy!
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2021, 05:14:40 PM
I think UGA needs to have Bennett run a fair bit, and roll out to get lanes a lot.  Turnovers could be the key to the game, as often is the case in a close contest.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 01, 2021, 08:24:45 PM
I think UGA is going to clobber the Tide. 
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2021, 08:23:14 AM
Clobber?  I personally think it will be within ten, probably close than  that.  I worry about Bennet being able to pass over long arms.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Do not wet the bed, Dawgs.  I'm tired of watching teams let these chumps escape.  They get in the playoffs they'll embarrass the whole conference, and then I can't chant SEC! 

Also I'll be watching with some Dawg friends and I don't want them crying on my shoulder by the end of this.  It's bad enough they get depressed when they play us and I feel too sorry to rub it in their faces. 
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2021, 12:42:23 PM
Do not wet the bed, Dawgs.  I'm tired of watching teams let these chumps escape.  They get in the playoffs they'll embarrass the whole conference, and then I can't chant SEC!

Also I'll be watching with some Dawg friends and I don't want them crying on my shoulder by the end of this.  It's bad enough they get depressed when they play us and I feel too sorry to rub it in their faces.
Totally agree, I'm very much looking forward to my first time chanting SECSECSEC when the Dawgs beat Oklahoma State in the CFP.

Just kidding, of course.

Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 02, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
Bama is like UNC in bouncy ball.  Theyll be ready.  This season they've shown lack of focus more than anything.  Focus can suddenly alter.  I expect it will.  UNC has for years played out of focus but come tourney time? Lasers.... 

Kicking a "down" bama team is premature.  

OT or a half dozen wouldn't surprise me one bit.  
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: bamajoe on December 02, 2021, 01:02:16 PM
I know all the optics point toward Georgia and Alabama does have foibles. There is one important advantage Alabama has; Bryce Young. Also, Alabama can stop the run. Both average 2.4 yards allowed per rush. If Bama stops the rush, Bama wins.

Also, OAM picks Georgia in a rout. Has he ever been right about anything? Damn, I feel good.

Side note, I feel sorry for my oldest son, the Georgia grad. It wouldn't be too bad if they broke their 40 year drought. Don't tell anybody I said this.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
I think the line is reasonable, but even so it projects Bama would win 1 time in 3.  I expect a close contest, probably low scoring.  I hope Dan Lanning has the LBs and safeties coming on blitzes often.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2021, 05:26:18 PM
I saw some guess on the score of 27-20, which sounds reasonable to me.  It could be, and will be, different, and things like turnovers could be pivotal.

I'd rather be UGA than Bama at this point.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 02, 2021, 06:23:24 PM
UGA is my second favorite SEC team.

For now.

Don't screw this up.  
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2021, 06:56:17 PM
I will endeavor to persevere.

I like LSU mostly.  I think my current favorite SEC teams include UK and Arky.  I once sort of liked Auburn but that went away.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 02, 2021, 08:50:35 PM
Was doing a cursory review of both teams. 

Guess who scored the most "legit" (not trash time) points on UGA?  My boys... 17 of them.  How?

Bama has capacity to dial up snaps.  Will they? If they do and it's efficient (read: =points), will this impact another discussion here?

I dont think this offers Bama any decisive advantage, but... I do think it's worth observing and considering.  If for no other reason it's the UGA defense they've got to plan for not the UGA O... which is an obvious statement, I guess... but used as a building block to scheme the game means Bama will want to play fast O and keep their D on field more where they match better, and in hopes to keep UGA D off balance as much as possible. 

I'm thinking this game a 14-28/21-35 affair, which accidentally resembles the Vegas line.  There is a TD of overlap in my figuring. That isn't a lot.  And, we may as well say it- it's the NCG.. either this one or the next one in Jan. 
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 02, 2021, 09:19:40 PM
I like LSU mostly.  I think my current favorite SEC teams include UK and Arky.  I once sort of liked Auburn but that went away.

eww, gross. 
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on December 03, 2021, 08:17:57 AM
We had an Auburn grad as a coach and for a bit they had a UGA grad as a coach.  Then they turned water hoses on us.

Anyway, hopefully the Dawgs play a good game.  They had zero penalties against Tech.  The conspiracy types think the zebras will make calls favorable to the Tide.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: bamajoe on December 03, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
Yep. The Red Elephant Club slips bags of money to the refs before every game. if you listen to the Auburn folks the refs stole the game from them even though Alabama had almost three times as much penalty yardage and the most Alabama had the whole year.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2021, 03:49:54 PM
Yep. The Red Elephant Club slips bags of money to the refs before every game. if you listen to the Auburn folks the refs stole the game from them even though Alabama had almost three times as much penalty yardage and the most Alabama had the whole year.
Penalties,  hence bama was out of their comfort zone the entire game.  The final regulation scoring drive had two pushoffs and two significant holding on bama that went uncalled.  If you're fine with that just say so... it doesn't matter now, anyway... or is it "what difference does it make now?" The mantra? 

Its not just bama. However they keep the dream alive with their cash cow.  I watched UT playing South Alabama with sec refs and it was bad in UTs favor... the penalties weren't lopsided by final tally, but the calls in crucial places went UTs way even though they didn't need them at all... the same way they do with Bama in every game they play, especially when they need it. 

It's not only rivals of bama complaining.  There is literal articles written about wagering where it's suggested the officials team be announced prior to game time so wagerers can adjust accordingly.  The SEC is out of control.  They are by far the worse of collegiate officials.  If they were bad all around? Okay... but it's plainly obvious a quarter in where the officials stand.  Its played and its old.  It's also pretty apparent it's related to money and post season payout. 

It almost makes me long for the old "old" system where teams were final ranked at the end of season and bowls were basically expo games.  UGA clearly had the best season.  Bama and UM is right behind them (regardless of level of competition) and yeah cincy deserves some love.  But for the love of the game, let them play without advantages. Bama should have lost to Auburn, and I hate both equally.  It was calls on the field that led to what the bama clan considers heroics by their QB.  
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2021, 04:01:21 PM
And... its bouncy ball too.. ive not watched bama play so I've no clue there.   UT played Presbyterian the other night, I think it was, and the favoritism for them was just ugly.  

I'm not fine with that.  If I want to watch a game I want it by the freakin rules no matter who is playing.  For UT fans that game was a given- for them? it was a chance to make a statement and something they likely were anxious to do... just to have refs call all sorts of dumbassery on them with a concentration on early and before separation.  

I'll never forget the roughing the passer call against UT the game JG went rogue. It was a extremely decisive call that allowed bama to keep a drive alive and ultimately score providing separation.  There was no need for that.  Bama clearly had the better team anyone present could see. It's asinine.  
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Gigem on December 04, 2021, 07:06:28 PM
Damn. Bama is just making UGA look silly now. I would not have thought Bama would be kicking their ass so hard. And I really wanted UGa to win. I’m tired of Bama. How could they look so average against LSU and Auburn, get beat by a mediocre A&M, then just dominate Georgia?  
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: EastAthens on December 04, 2021, 08:07:31 PM
Damn. Bama is just making UGA look silly now. I would not have thought Bama would be kicking their ass so hard. And I really wanted UGa to win. I’m tired of Bama. How could they look so average against LSU and Auburn, get beat by a mediocre A&M, then just dominate Georgia? 

The GOAT.  He fixed their oline.  Damn him.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 04, 2021, 08:12:51 PM
Damn. Bama is just making UGA look silly now. I would not have thought Bama would be kicking their ass so hard. And I really wanted UGa to win. I’m tired of Bama. How could they look so average against LSU and Auburn, get beat by a mediocre A&M, then just dominate Georgia? 
I stand by my statement bama lacked focus and that is easy to recover... we watched FSU do it every season for a decade under bowden- except they did it in games and not across a season.  They'd look mediocre for two and a half quarters, just to open a can of spinach that lasted a quarter and a half.... the only question was "which" quarter and a half? 
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 04, 2021, 10:22:30 PM
Damn. Bama is just making UGA look silly now. I would not have thought Bama would be kicking their ass so hard. And I really wanted UGa to win. I’m tired of Bama. How could they look so average against LSU and Auburn, get beat by a mediocre A&M, then just dominate Georgia? 

Lot more RPOs and different assignments for the backs than recent weeks.  Some interwebz rumors that playcalling duties were taken away from BOB...sounds sketchy, but you could almost understand such a thought. 

Also, somebody needs to ID their OL to make sure that's the same guys. 
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 04, 2021, 11:18:18 PM
Also, OAM picks Georgia in a rout. Has he ever been right about anything? Damn, I feel good.

I loved being wrong!

Also, what have I been wrong about?  I don't really make a habit of predictions, because predicting what a group of 20 year olds will do is a fool's errand.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Cincydawg on December 05, 2021, 06:01:25 AM
That was obviously unexpected.  Maybe we get another shot?  I doubt it would be much different.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: bamajoe on December 05, 2021, 12:19:59 PM
A few comments; Alabama held Georgia to 110 yards on 30 carries which I think was critical in turning the game into a Bennett V Young passing contest. Bama actually had slightly more yards on the ground.

Bennett threw for 340 yards but the two ints were critical. He should have had another pick six when Battle dropped an int early in the game.

Alabama lost John Metchie, one half of its dynamic pass duo, to an ACL. That could be a fatal blow to title expectations.

Ohio State must be frigging bananas to let Jameson Williams go. I know they have great receivers in Olave and a couple others, but none of them is going to catch Jameson Williams in a footrace.

In reality the loss means nothing toward Georgia's chances for a NC. They have the same opportunity to win it as if they had won the game. Do not despair.

PS Our basketball then beat Gonzaga in Seattle.
Title: Re: All the marbles
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 05, 2021, 12:44:22 PM
Bama rattled Bennet in a bad way early.  it's a REALLY bad sign when the QB is chewing on his playmakers when it is he who is rattled at least more so.  he made some bad decisions... to be clear, he made some bad decisions because that's all Alabama gave him as an option.  

UGA was just plain beat and in every aspect.  that freshman TE went unanswered especially when matched on To'To'tooo'oootooo... he (To'oTo'o) is a very good run-block LB but he shows the same weakness in assignment coverage he showed when at UT.  However, it's hard to tell from just a couple encounters in that game if it is the talent of the TE or the lack of skill from To'oTo'o...  either way, that TE in the middle was the only leverage UGA had over the Bama D.  

i gotta also offer this- it's a different game watching those who are 'REALLY' good at it going at it.  it's my opinion, however, the depth of extreme talent on the coaching staff was on display in one instance and evidenced in two plays.  this is almost exclusive to bama, imHo, as they're likely the only program in the game that has such a collection of extreme talent, extreme development, and extreme tacticians in the force.  the basis of this is the UGA TD where UGA fired from perhaps the 20yd... it was a very nicely designed play that allowed the receiver (a TE i 'think') to basically run behind the cover of a wall of OL.  That play, against any other team just about, could have been run over and over and to similar result- a guaranteed 20yd's a completion- the receiver only becoming available to tackle after he clears the 'wall'.  

but this isn't just any D. 

UGA tried to run it again later in the game and it was broken up before it developed and crammed.  Bama was looking for it.  Somebody spotted the 'tell' and engineered a response that freakin' fast and were worried enough about that play to put them on watch.  it's not that other teams wouldn't have ultimately done the same, but it IS that other teams would have needed a week to do so. 

when Bama is fine tuned they are really REALLY something to watch and study, and the more they're studied the more impressive they are.... and I still hate 'em... but credit where it's due- the last decade of Bama is the best the game has to offer.