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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on November 20, 2021, 07:11:01 PM
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this one is for the East, B1G CCG trip, and potential CFB Playoff berth. Having said that....
There is NO WAY that Michigan will beat Ohio State next week. Just ain't happening.
EDIT: changed the title as brand new CFP rankings out. Ohio State #2, Michigan #5. This is a battle of the top 5. IN ANN ARBOR. First time that's happened since 1997. YOWZAS.
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This is different Michigan team. Everyone sees it. Harbaugh finally has the team he wanted to have. There is NO WAY Ohio State is going to go up to Ann Arbor and get a win this year.
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This is different Michigan team. Everyone sees it. Harbaugh finally has the team he wanted to have. There is NO WAY Ohio State is going to go up to Ann Arbor and get a win this year.
nice try pal- but your WR's are going to run wild on this defense. I ain't buying it.
This will probably be the highest rated game on tv all year. IF Michigan pulls off a miracle upset- I'll eat a dirty sock and film it. Just ain't happening.
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nice try pal- but your WR's are going to run wild on this defense. I ain't buying it.
This will probably be the highest rated game on tv all year. IF Michigan pulls off a miracle upset- I'll eat a dirty sock and film it. Just ain't happening.
We couldn't block Nebraska or Penn State no way we are blocking Hutchinson and company. Sounds like the board needs to come up with the dirtiest sock possible and mail it to you ASAP.
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I'm nominating Nubbz for the sock
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match-up could very well come down to OSU's OT's vs Hutchinson & Ojabo. Stroud is a terrific QB, but he's not particularly mobile. I think that's Michigan's only hope to be honest- they need both Hutchinson & Ojabo to show out and play like the top 10 picks they are both being projected as and to get Stroud on the ground and disrupt his timing with the OSU WRs. IF they can do that- Michigan will have a chance. That's literally the only way.
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Are the Wolverines due?
Does Harbaugh have his mojo back?
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I'm nominating Nubbz for the sock
Complete with toe jam
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Praying for 4 hours of cold, high wind, and steady heavy rain/snow starting at 11:30am on Saturday. Only chance I see for Michigan to win.
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match-up could very well come down to OSU's OT's vs Hutchinson & Ojabo. Stroud is a terrific QB, but he's not particularly mobile. I think that's Michigan's only hope to be honest- they need both Hutchinson & Ojabo to show out and play like the top 10 picks they are both being projected as and to get Stroud on the ground and disrupt his timing with the OSU WRs. IF they can do that- Michigan will have a chance. That's literally the only way.
That matchup should be really interesting. Two first round ends against two potentially first round tackles.
The other side of the ball is good too. Michigan's offense is good, and will be comfortable sustaining long drives running and dinking and dunking down the field. They are custom built against this OSU defense, who I think will struggle to get much pressure on McNamara.
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If Michigan can RTDB effectively and pressure the QB ....
I am guessing the line will be something like 10-12?
I was at a bar yesterday, UGA was not on a channel we get, and they were featuring OSU-MSU, there were a lot of MSU fans there, at least initially. OSU looked entirely dangerous, I think the only way to slow them is extreme pressure on CJ, and limiting the run.
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Line is expected to be Buckeyes -7.5.
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Early Betting Line Released For Ohio State vs. Michigan (thespun.com) (https://thespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state-buckeyes/early-betting-line-released-for-ohio-state-michigan-game)
Yup, projected line, whatever that means, 7.5. I'd take OSU to cover.
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so would Harbaugh
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They were asking for predictions for this game on a 11 Warriors and here's one,about sums it up
104-14. And I also predict that people will bitch about the 14 and the missed extra point
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35°
18%
W 11 mph
Mostly cloudy skies early, then partly cloudy in the afternoon. High near 35F. Winds W at 10 to 15 mph.
Weather forecast for game day.
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almost perfect football weather
could use a little precipitation
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The wind could be a factor if it gusts. The weather won't be appreciably different from Columbus.
I think cold weather also diminishes crowd noise somewhat.
I may be underplaying Michigan's competence, but I'm seeing a near blowout, something like 38-17.
I thought MSU would get defeated handily too, but not that handily.
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I think Michigan holds up much better than Sparty
Michigan has the edge rushers to worry and hurry Stroud. Michigan also has very talented Dbacks that will hold up better.
and on offense the Michigan run game can run clock and limit possessions
Michigan is just a better team than Michigan St.
so yes, about a 21 point game as you predict
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Styles make fights.
Michigan matches up very well. Their defense gives up some yards, but often disrupts drives to cause the opponent to get behind schedule
Their offense controls the clock, puts points on the board, and has occasional explosive plays. They don’t make mistakes, sacks or turnovers.
Which defense can get more stops? Which team can avoid turnovers.
This game rarely unfolds according th chalk.
I see a battle supreme- decided in the final few minutes.
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this will easily be the biggest game in Ann Arbor since 1997.
This will be the first time since 1997 that Michigan and Ohio State will both (probably) be ranked in the top 5 AND Michigan will have the game at home in Ann Arbor- and it's literally a winner takes all scenario.
That stadium needs to be jumping, loud, crazy and insane and that team needs to play their f&&n asses off and fight to the death- only shot they have or they'll get blown out.
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Styles make fights.
Michigan matches up very well. Their defense gives up some yards, but often disrupts drives to cause the opponent to get behind schedule
Their offense controls the clock, puts points on the board, and has occasional explosive plays. They don’t make mistakes, sacks or turnovers.
Which defense can get more stops? Which team can avoid turnovers.
This game rarely unfolds according th chalk.
I see a battle supreme- decided in the final few minutes.
I don't know that any team matches up well with Ohio State. No one has 3 CB's that good. Ohio State literally has 3 #1 WR's, so to cover them you need 3 #1 CB's- and nobody has that. You can't cover them. Only way you can hope to slow them down is getting to Stroud and disrupting his timing and getting him on the ground. Literally the only way imo.
Michigan's only prayer is that Hutchinson & Ojabo both play with their hair on fire and just go off. They need them both to just say nah uh...not today Ohio State- and just completely take the game over. They both have ability and potential to do this- but it's easier said than done.
Maryland was able to neutralize them a little bit by moving the pocket and Tua Jr is actually very elusive and fast and can run. Stroud is a pocket passer in the vein of Haskins- he likes to sit back in the pocket and throw dimes. He's not really mobile. They have to hit him a lot and get him on the ground- otherwise OSU rolls.
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put some glasses on him- and it actually looks like his twin.
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the dude is weird - spacey
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so...throwing out that COVID season....
Harbaugh now has FOUR 10-win seasons in 6 full, non-covid seasons. I'm cool with that. Almost 70% of your (full) seasons you're at 10 wins. I don't even really care about bowl game records- bc to me they really don't mean squat unless it's the playoff. B1G CCG trips and an East division title or two would be nice- obviously- care far more about either of those than some bowl game.
What I'm not cool with is....0-5 vs OSU and being 3-4 vs MSU. IF this dude was even 2-3 vs OSU and if he was like say 5-2 vs MSU- which the coach of Michigan *SHOULD* be winning more than he losses vs Michigan State considering his program has every advantage under the sun over MSU- this dude would be like a GOD at Michigan. The muffed punt snap with 8 seconds left vs MSU and the late 3rd+4th QTR collapse up 16 vs MSU this year prevented him from being 5-2 vs MSU. This kinda stuff should not happen routinely- but it happens to him all the time- suggesting he just does not pay attention to the little details and is bad at situational football and that his butthole puckers and he stiffens up under pressure and fumbles away victories.
He absolutely needs a win vs Ohio State so bad it's not even funny. It's literally almost like life and death. He pulls a W out of his ass vs OSU this year- that's a narrative changer and a huge program changer. He actually does the impossible and stumbles into a W even if it's by 1 point- his program will take off bc his recruiting will take off- they'll land 5*'s Domani Jackson & Josh Conerly if he beats Ohio State, and they'll put themselves in serious contention for 5* Kiyaunta Goodwin. They lose AGAIN like he always does- they'll lose momentum with all of them and might not sign any of them.
This one is easily the most important game of his career- which makes me think he'll lose it....he just has a way of getting exposed in the biggest games and dropping the ball in the biggest games. I don't know why or what that is- but he just does.
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the dude is weird - spacey
CTE + Autism. Not a good combo.
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good of you to throw out the COVID season
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good of you to throw out the COVID season
well, half his players opted out and they only played 6 games. Hard to judge.
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Because he is a 95-year-old trapped in a 57-year-old’s body, Jim Harbaugh broke out a marble reference when talking about Michigan’s opportunity to win the B1G East and play for a conference title for the first time under the head coach.
“We want to finish it,” Harbaugh said after Michigan smacked Maryland. “We want to win all the marbles.”
Do you think the Wolverines hit up the soda fountain once they got back to Ann Arbor? Maybe they decided to shoot some dice in a back alley, as well.
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Praying for 4 hours of cold, high wind, and steady heavy rain/snow starting at 11:30am on Saturday. Only chance I see for Michigan to win.
I don't think that there is a rule against using snow machines.
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legal in Colorado and California
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Praying for 4 hours of cold, high wind, and steady heavy rain/snow starting at 11:30am on Saturday. Only chance I see for Michigan to win.
not sure snow/rain discourages a great passing game all that much to be honest. I guess it depends on the QB. I heard Brady say he loved it- because he and his WR's gain an advantage- they know where they are going with the ball before they go there- the DB's don't- they are reading and reacting- and snow/rain hurts their footing/reactions more than the WRs.
again...the ONLY chance Michigan has in this game is for Hutchinson & Ojabo to show the hell up and both go beast mode. That is literally their only chance. They will ALSO need their DB's to not drop interceptions if they get their DB's get opportunities to make plays; talking to you Hawkins, Moten, and Dax. Can't have any ALMOSTS. Need to capitalize on every single OSU offensive mistake- need to make every INT and Fumble recovery when those opportunities present themselves- EVERY single one- literally have to be perfect there and MAKE those plays- and they literally also need Hutchinson & Ojabo to ball out. Weather won't matter. Those two key factors will be the only thing that matter- Hutch & Ojabo and making turnovers every single time when the opportunities present. As good as Michigan's D has been- they have been ASS when it comes to making the turnover plays- they drop OH so many INT's and they fail to recover fumbles like a motherf****. They CANNOT do that vs OSU. They need to convert those opportunities and they need Hutchinson & Ojabo to play lights out...OR THEY WILL LOSE.
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on offense Michigan certainly does not have anywhere near as advanced a passing scheme, as good a play-caller as Ryan Day, as good a QB as Stroud (having said that- I think JJ is more gifted), any one single RB who gets as many volume carries as Henderson, or 3 WR's as polished and smooth as OSU's - but they do have guys that can hit some home-runs and make plays.
At RB Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards can both pop long runs if they get into the open field- both these guys have afterburners. They both also catch the ball really well- especially Edwards. Haskins is the main ball carrier and starter and deservedly so- dude is a beast, but Michigan hasn't had backs with home-run hitting speed like Corum & Edwards since like the 90s or early 2000s.
At WR Roman Wilson and AJ Henning both have after burners. They can get behind a defense and eat up ground in a hurry. These are probably the two of the three fastest guys on their entire team along with Dax Hill. Wilson is a conventional WR, Henning is used more as a gadget, screen/reverse/return guy- but he's fast as shit.
Cornelius Johnson is a possession guy- but he's a lot faster than you think. He can really run for a guy that's pushing 6'3, 210. Andrel Anthony doesn't get quite as much playing time as the others but whenever they put him in games all he does is make plays- and he's so smooth and fluid and has great hands- only a freshman but he's going to be one to watch- star potential is big with him. Mike Sainistril is almost the forgotten guy- he's not big, he's not a 4.3 or 4.4 straight-line speedster- but he's very quick in and out of breaks and his acceleration is elite. He can make a big play every once in awhile.
At TE, Erick All is an emerging weapon that really hasn't been utilized anywhere near his full potential yet. Last year as a RS frosh he dropped basically every football that was thrown to him- this year he's worked on his hands and they've improved drastically- but he's been dealing with injuries and nowhere near 100%- but he's made some splash plays- this is a dude that has a lot of straight-line speed for a 6'4, 250 pound guy- he was booking it on that little 50-yard catch and run game-winner vs a really good Penn State defense in Happy Valley- he can make a play.
Obviously sucks not having #1 WR Ronnie Bell and obviously sucks even harder that admissions bungled the Xavier Worthy early enrollment and he's not here. Add those two guys to Michigan's roster right now....HOLY CHIT.
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How many guys on either team's two deep have ever even played in an OSU-Michigan game before?
Haven't squared off since the 2010s.
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F injuries and F early enrollment and F early departures.
This Michigan team is a legit playoff level team with Jalen Mayfield at LT, a healthy Ronnie Bell at WR, a true frosh Xavier Worthy in the WR room, Cam McGrone starting at ILB, and Ambry Thomas starting at CB1.
Every one of Mayfield, Thomas, and McGrone leaving made zero sense to me. McGrone started only 9 games, ever. Mayfield, 13. Thomas really only started one year, in 2019. Both Mayfield and Thomas opted out 2020. Those two guys return and have dominant seasons in 2021- they are likely 1st rd picks- instead of 3rd rd picks. McGrone leaving was just insane- he was nowhere near ready- which is why he only went in the 5th rd.
Can't control injuries- but it really sucks Bell got hurt. And Michigan's recruiting and admissions departments really just f*** themselves in the a** on Worthy- never seen anything like that- not sure we ever will again. They apparently made a gigantic mistake and enrolled too many other kids early and didn't leave a spot for Worthy- and he didn't want to wait around so he left. I don't know how they did that- but jesus christ it's like this program is cursed.
Michigan would be undefeated right now with all those players on their roster and I'd actually give them a real shot to beat OSU if they had those guys.
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Here's another:
NO WAY OSU can head up North and win against TTUN!
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F injuries and F early enrollment and F early departures.
Random question: Who would be the better QB for the Buckeyes Saturday, Fields or Stroud?
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good question, close
don't think it matters, either of them get the win
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Random question: Who would be the better QB for the Buckeyes Saturday, Fields or Stroud?
Fields- he can neutralize the rush with his athleticism. He'd have been the #1 overall pick by a mile had he comeback. Having said that, he was a 1st round lock- and if you're a 1st round lock- you gotta go, imo.
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Fields- he can neutralize the rush with his athleticism. He'd have been the #1 overall pick by a mile had he comeback. Having said that, he was a 1st round lock- and if you're a 1st round lock- you gotta go, imo.
Fields definitely bigger and stronger and faster, but Stroud gets the ball out quicker and is a lot more difficult to sack.
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Fields has done more under duress than Stroud. Stroud gets it out quickly most times, but has also generally had a clean pocket on his deep throws. Stroud hasn't shined enough in pressure spots to put him over Fields.
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Fields has done more under duress than Stroud. Stroud gets it out quickly most times, but has also generally had a clean pocket on his deep throws. Stroud hasn't shined enough in pressure spots to put him over Fields.
This. Stroud has not been in many big games really if any. Michigan will pop him every chance they get even after he throws. Their mission will be get him off his game, and we really don’t know how he will respond to that. With Fields it just made him get stronger as the game went on.
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If Michigan wins out, obviously they are in. No doubt.
Simple equation here.
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If Michigan wins out, obviously they are in. No doubt.
Simple equation here.
Totally. And they would deserve to be in the playoff. With the possible exception of Georgia I don’t see a big difference between the next three or four or five teams.
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They are all in a group I think, including UGA.
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This. Stroud has not been in many big games really if any. Michigan will pop him every chance they get even after he throws. Their mission will be get him off his game, and we really don’t know how he will respond to that. With Fields it just made him get stronger as the game went on.
Yeah - if you need that one perfect throw, or one perfect play, Fields is probably the guy. But OTOH the offense is setting records because of Stroud and his ability to get the ball out on time and to the right guy. Guess we'll see what is preferable against Michigan
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Yeah - if you need that one perfect throw, or one perfect play, Fields is probably the guy. But OTOH the offense is setting records because of Stroud and his ability to get the ball out on time and to the right guy. Guess we'll see what is preferable against Michigan
I like Stroud a lot- but I think a lot of that record setting has to do with the WR's.....OSU has never had a WR crew this good. Olave is a SR, Wilson a JR and both those dudes are fully realized and JSN a Soph that's ahead of schedule. They are all going to go over 1,000 this year and they are all going to be 1st rd picks. Stroud is really good- but those guys make his job a hell of a lot easier. Not to mention Henderson is a stud RB and the OL is really good.
Fields would be smashing records too with this crew had he come back.
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I like Stroud a lot- but I think a lot of that record setting has to do with the WR's.....OSU has never had a WR crew this good. Olave is a SR, Wilson a JR and both those dudes are fully realized and JSN a Soph that's ahead of schedule. They are all going to go over 1,000 this year and they are all going to be 1st rd picks. Stroud is really good- but those guys make his job a hell of a lot easier. Not to mention Henderson is a stud RB and the OL is really good.
Fields would be smashing records too with this crew had he come back.
Well, yes, they are good. But last year they had all three as well as Jameson Williams, who is currently 8th in the country in receiving
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Well, yes, they are good. But last year they had all three as well as Jameson Williams, who is currently 8th in the country in receiving
Well considering there were only 6 regular season games played by OSU vs 12 in 2021- kind of hard to compare stats from 2020 to 2021.
BUT...last year Jameson Williams was a true soph- who wasn't quite ready for prime-time in 2020. He had issues catching the football. He's seemed to have worked on those hands a lot this off-season in Tuscaloosa. Olave & Wilson were ahead of him last year and JSN passed him in spring which is why he transferred...so last year really doesn't matter.
JSN got A LOT better and made a huge jump from his true freshman season- as most really talented players do- Olave came back for his senior year and kicked it up another notch- as a lot of guys do as seniors- and Wilson just took another leap forward. It happens. These guys are all better than they were last year and they are playing twice as many games- so they were bound to put up better numbers.
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Ohio State has improved dramatically from where they were in their first three games when they only beat Minnesota by two TD's, lost to Oregon, and struggled with Tulsa.
The offense gets all the hype and deservedly so but the defense seems to be peaking at the right time. Purdue put up 31 points and a decent amount of yards but that may be misleading because the game was over almost before it started. While tOSU was amassing their 28 point lead the Boilermakers had one nice TD drive and three short drives culminating in two punts and a fumble.
Look, if Ohio State plays like they did in the first 20 minutes of the Purdue game and the first half of the MSU game then the Buckeyes will win easily. How well Michigan plays will simply determine how bad of a loss they take.
That said, Michigan's defense is much better than MSU's and Ohio State isn't nearly as bad of a match up nightmare for them as for MSU so I don’t expect the Buckeyes to replicate the MSU game.
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Just how good is OSU's OL? How many times did Sparty rush three, four, or blitz? Everyone knew Sparty's pass defense was bad but I though their DL was good. Good enough to put some pressure Stroud but that really didn't happen much if memory serves me. I deleted the game off the DVR on Saturday in disgust but wish I hadn't. BTN has this game in 60 at 4:30 PM..
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Ohio State has improved dramatically from where they were in their first three games when they only beat Minnesota by two TD's, lost to Oregon, and struggled with Tulsa.
Natural progression,good teams do that,they seem to be clicking but haven't gone toe to toe with someone in their weight class sans Oregon.The Ducks had taken them out of tempo/rhythm some what and it paid off.How will tOSU respond in a close game? Day's a good coach obviously,he has to keep them confident when they are not scoring 28-49 pts a half.How will the defense respond when they are out there around half the time
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I would blitz OSU from odd angles on nearly every play, I think, as opposed to dropping 11 trying to cover, that won't work.
And yes, I know they could hurt me on the ground.
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Stop scouting for Georgia ;D
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I'm sure UGA has tape, and a better DC than I could ever be. I don't think anyone could stop OSU, but you might mix in enough stops to stay in the game. Michigan has a shot I think, at home.
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Michigan has a shot I think, at home.
That's just crazy talk and you can stop that to
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SEC Roll Call - Week 12 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3DHqGWvZgc)
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https://youtu.be/kV9mqxYapGo
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Michigan has a shot I think, at home.
Pass me some of that Kool Aid.
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only way Michigan can pull off the upset...this is the formula...
I) Hutchinson & Ojabo need to BOTH go off and play the games of their lives. They need to constantly pressure Stroud.
II) Defense HAS to capitalize on turnover opportunities. (no dropping surefire INT's in this game- looking at you Josh Metellus)
III) Haskins & Corum need to run for about 150 total min - and Haskins needs to grind out those tough 3rd down conversions
IV) McNamara cannot throw any INT's - and he's going to have to be more accurate and release the ball higher- can't have 5 passes batted down this game - and he's got to stop throwing behind WR's.
V) JJ McCarthy & Donovan Edwards both need to make plays. They need to involve Edwards in the passing offense and they need to let McCarthy play at least a few series and let his play-making ability takeover.
VI) Special Teams play- they need a splash special teams play or two - and they have to continue to be great on kickoff and punt coverage and Moody has to keep crushing those FG's.
That's a lot of shit they need to go right....can happen- but it's unlikely. Give me the Buckeyes by 21.
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you may want to copy this so it can be pasted 3 or 4 times a day w/o all the typing ;)
works fer me
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5 days away.....
IF Michigan pulls this off....Jim Harbaugh is a hero.
WHEN Michigan loses......JIM HARBAUGH SUCKS.
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.JIM HARBAUGH SUCKS.
This works for me.Good write up,those DEs are good
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This works for me.Good write up,those DEs are good
only way to stop an elite passing attack in todays game is getting the QB on the ground.
Nobody has 3 1st round CB's all in their primes- not even Bama- and that's what it'd take to slow down WR's like this. And with CB's not being allowed to get physical or rough and touch WR's over 5 yards- PI is called more and more and more. So it's literally impossible to try and throw your CB's out there and say hey go cover them boys.
Need pass rushers who can wreck a game. Most teams only have 1 guy like that- or maybe not even any. Michigan has two guys who absolutely can do that. Hutchinson & Ojabo are total studs.
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this is a great YT channel. Their computer model predicts OSU- 37, Michigan - 30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMJ9mvPYpw
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That's 30 minutes long, time could be well spent talking trash.I'm going to MGOBLOG
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I want to believe so bad that Michigan can win, but at this point I really think this program with Jim Harbaugh is just cursed. We can't have nice things. Ever. I think it started with that muffed punt with 8 seconds left to lose in epic fashion vs Sparty- some kind of voodoo magic juju was put on them then and it's never come off.
I mean to lose your #1 WR in the opening game of the season in the same season your admissions BUNGLED the early enrollment of your prized WR signee and he decides to transfer rather than wait around to enroll in the fall- what. the. f**k. man. This shit does not happen to other programs. Ohio State gets it's 1st round WR's to come back for their SR year for christ sake.
Ronnie Bell is M's best WR by far and kid with a real NFL future (pre-injury) and Xavier Worthy- this is a hot take here- but he's the most talented WR in the entire country. He's a 6'1" DeSean Jackson. Kid has elite everything except upper-body strength & mass but that will come with time in an S&C program. Kid runs 10.2/10.3 and 4.2-4.3's in his sleep, and also has elite change of direction and quicks, hands, and body control. Absolute genetic freak and he's literally like a non-midget DeSean Jackson- who was all of 5'9.5 on a great day. Can't help but be bitter that both these guys should be playing in this game this Saturday for Michigan.
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Isn't Worthy in Austin?
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Isn't Worthy in Austin?
Yes. He’s in Austin because Michigan’s crackhead recruiting and admissions offices bungled the hit and screwed his early enrollment up. Kid graduated high school early so he could enroll early- and Michigan screwed up their early enrollment #’s and didn’t have a spot for him. He said F this I’m out so he transferred.
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56 receptions, 916 yards, 16.4 avg, long of 75, 12 TDs
in Austin
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I want to believe so bad that Michigan can win, but at this point I really think this program with Jim Harbaugh is just cursed. We can't have nice things. Ever. I think it started with that muffed punt with 8 seconds left to lose in epic fashion vs Sparty- some kind of voodoo magic juju was put on them then and it's never come off.
I mean to lose your #1 WR in the opening game of the season in the same season your admissions BUNGLED the early enrollment of your prized WR signee and he decides to transfer rather than wait around to enroll in the fall- what. the. f**k. man. This shit does not happen to other programs. Ohio State gets it's 1st round WR's to come back for their SR year for christ sake.
Ronnie Bell is M's best WR by far and kid with a real NFL future (pre-injury) and Xavier Worthy- this is a hot take here- but he's the most talented WR in the entire country. He's a 6'1" DeSean Jackson. Kid has elite everything except upper-body strength & mass but that will come with time in an S&C program. Kid runs 10.2/10.3 and 4.2-4.3's in his sleep, and also has elite change of direction and quicks, hands, and body control. Absolute genetic freak and he's literally like a non-midget DeSean Jackson- who was all of 5'9.5 on a great day. Can't help but be bitter that both these guys should be playing in this game this Saturday for Michigan.
OSU lost its NFL bound safety, Josh Proctor, early in the year. It happens.
You are overthinking this.
Two very good teams going at it in a rivalry game. Never plays out the way you think.
a few key plays will turn it- and Michigan and Ohio State are loaded with dudes capable of making those plays.
it would not surprise me even a little if these teams reversed roles. Buckeyes use the running game for sustained drives- Michigan gets explosive plays out of their passing game.
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It's 12:38 and M!ch!g!n still sucks!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Xw7rMSrYE
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Over on MGO Board one guy Posted a thread
14 Years Ago Today: Charles Woodson Punt Return vs. OSU
One guy responded
Can't believe it's been 8 years already since JFK was killed.
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Over on MGO Board one guy Posted a thread
14 Years Ago Today: Charles Woodson Punt Return vs. OSU
One guy responded
Can't believe it's been 8 years already since JFK was killed.
LOL. Wish it was 14 years ago.
24 years ago. DAMN time flies.
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Time does seem to pass faster as one ages. I think when we are kids, we are looking forward to events and dates anxiously, Christmas, a trip, whatever, we can't WAIT for it to get here, so time passes slowly. Later in life, we stop this, we're consumed with what needs doing daily, and we don't notice that X date is approaching and it seems to have come upon us quickly because we weren't anticipating it daily.
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Listened to parts of Valenti's Show yesterday and he says "That dude is Satan calling plays"
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Chilly weather, some wind as a bit of a factor, classic rivalry game with clear national import, chance for JH to solidify his coaching position, etc. It's kind of neat when a classic like this one is really important and the outcome in some doubt.
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Obviously, a great receiver might or might not make circus catches, but I think in every case they have elite speed and change of direction/route running skills, even if they don't get targetted. Most good teams have one elite WR you have to double, or at least pay extra attention to. If you have two, it's problematic. They will get open on nearly every play. And we're not even mentioning that big TE who gets covered by a LB.
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must have better LBs in the SEC if they are still using them to cover the TE
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Does Ohio State put 100 points on Michigan? Could have done so to Sparty.
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If you need to double both WRs, the STAR position might be on the slot or the TE, so you can be left with a LB on the TE fairly often. UGA has a pretty good freshman TE who often is outrunning an opposing LB from what I've seen.
Understanding Pass Defenses - Inside The Pylon (http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/defense-film-study-nfl/2014/09/10/understanding-pass-defenses/#:~:text=In man coverage%2C linebackers most,especially in 3-4 defenses.)
. In man coverage, linebackers most frequently cover running backs and tight ends, though they may also cover slot or wide receivers at times. Linebackers also commonly rush the quarterback, especially in 3-4 defenses (http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/41087-the-3-4-defense/).
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understanding pass defenses - it's called a nickle or dime ;)
I still find it humorous that Brett Farve wasn't aware of what a nickle defense referred to for quite some time
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Obviously, a great receiver might or might not make circus catches, but I think in every case they have elite speed and change of direction/route running skills, even if they don't get targetted. Most good teams have one elite WR you have to double, or at least pay extra attention to. If you have two, it's problematic. They will get open on nearly every play. And we're not even mentioning that big TE who gets covered by a LB.
they don't need elite speed, and there are plenty of elite/all-time great WR's that never had anywhere close to elite speed.
what they need imo, is at least above average change of direction, elite route running skills, elite body control/hand-eye, and elite hands. getting wide open means nothing if you can't adjust to a football in the air and make a catch it. David Bell is the best WR in the USofA imo, and he definitely does not have elite speed. Elite everything else though. D-Hop might be the best WR in the NFL today and he doesn't have elite speed.
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understanding pass defenses - it's called a nickle or dime ;)
I still find it humorous that Brett Farve wasn't aware of what a nickle defense referred to for quite some time
"Wait, they have 5 DBs out there? No WONDER I get intercepted so much!"
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"Wait, they have 5 DBs out there? No WONDER I get intercepted so much!"
LOL.
Always felt like he was one of the most overrated players in NFL history. Still can't believe he made that top 100 all-time team over Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers was/is superior to Favre in literally every single way.
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"Wait, they have 5 DBs out there? No WONDER I get intercepted so much!"
Jerry Glanville tells the story the best
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LOL.
Always felt like he was one of the most overrated players in NFL history. Still can't believe he made that top 100 all-time team over Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers was/is superior to Favre in literally every single way.
Farve may have had the stronger arm
as a rookie with the Falcons, Glanville used to make wagers with anyone that would take the bet that Farve could throw the ball out of the stadium
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Obviously, a great receiver might or might not make circus catches, but I think in every case they have elite speed and change of direction/route running skills, even if they don't get targetted. Most good teams have one elite WR you have to double, or at least pay extra attention to. If you have two, it's problematic. They will get open on nearly every play. And we're not even mentioning that big TE who gets covered by a LB.
And if you have three...
The NFL deals with this problem with a draft and a salary cap, to create parity. You want three elite WRs? You ain't gonna have money to spend on your OL and defense, so it all balances out.
In college, there are about 5 or 6 programs that just load up their rosters with all the elite talent at every position, because they can.
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Farve may have had the stronger arm
Rodgers arm is very strong. He's no slouch there.
Regardless, his overall arm talent is light years ahead of Favre's. His release is way quicker and he's sooooooooo much more accurate it's f'ng ridiculous. Rodgers makes throws in the pocket off his back foot or on the run that Favre could never dream of making. Rodgers is like a mobile Dan Marino. He's like if you crossed Marino with Elway. Super-quick release, pin-point accurate, can run and throw darts on the run. Best QB talent I've ever seen.
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Jerry Glanville tells the story the best
https://youtu.be/im2hXZ_diy0
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I think the general narrative here is that Ohio State has a humongous advantage on offense and Michigan has a humongous advantage on defense. Maybe we should rethink that a bit. After @TyphonInc (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8) laughably voted M #1 even after tOSU's annihilation of the Spartans I did a comparison of the two based on their common opponents and I think the Michigan offense and the Ohio State defense might both be a bit better than we think:
(https://i.imgur.com/AEYSzJS.png)
So Michigan scored about as many points as Ohio State against both Nebraska and Maryland and they were reasonably close against Penn State. I definitely think that Ohio State's offense is better but it might not be by the margin most people think.
I was really surprised that Ohio State actually allowed less overall and allowed less in half of the games than Michigan did. The Buckeyes gave up a LOT less points to MSU but even if you just throw that game out as an outlier you are still left with Ohio State giving up less points in two games, Michigan giving up less points in a game, and two where they were even.
Overall I look at that and think that Michigan's offense and Ohio State's defense are both better than I previously thought.
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they are both pretty good teams
of course #1 and #2 in the Big should be
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https://buckeyescoop.com/michigan-monday-its-time-for-war/
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Crap at Pete Fiutak's CFN Clucko the Chicken is picking Michigan to beat tOSU.Don't laugh Clucko won the contest one year
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I'm LMFAO
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings
Ohio State moves up to #2 in the latest CFP Rankings and Michigan up to #5.
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shaping up to be the biggest recruiting weekend of the year for Michigan. They are going to have tons of targets there, namely their #1 target in the 2022 class, 5* CB Domani Jackson. Kid set the state record in California in the 100m with a 10.25. 6-1, 185 genetic freak that was born to play CB. My god just the thought of pairing him with Michigan commit 5* CB Will Johnson who is 6'2.5, 190 and the son of a former Michigan/NFL DB- is beyond comprehension. These guys are both plug and play corners, done in 3 years and off to the 1st round of the NFL Draft types of talents. Michigan hasn't had a 1st round CB since Leon Hall. It's been a looooong time.
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it's going to suck to see him go, wish he could stay 1 more year but he's off to the top 5 of the NFL draft. he was a back-up as a true frosh on a veteran DL that had players like Winovich and Gary, but his soph year he was very productive with TFL's and pressures- just didn't get high sack #'s. Obviously he didn't play and missed his enitre JR with the ankle injury + COVID shortened season. This year as a senior he's been as dominant a defensive player as I've ever seen at Michigan not named Woodson. Just wish had one more year to watch- because it's a joy to watch this guy play football. Wish every player on Michigan's team played as hard as this kid does. He really just plays his ass off and never quits.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1462926366198882305?s=20
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Not one of OSU's WR's were a finalist for the Biletnikoff. Olave should've been. Easily. Aidan Hutchinson not a finalist for the Bednarik either.
who votes for these things? seriously.
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I feel like this game used to be played on the Rivalry Weekend #1, the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Is that right or am I crazy?
(both could be true)
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I feel like this game used to be played on the Rivalry Weekend #1, the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Is that right or am I crazy?
(both could be true)
It is true.
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I feel like this game used to be played on the Rivalry Weekend #1, the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Is that right or am I crazy?
(both could be true)
Yes it's vacillates,80s/90s believe mostly before.I remember 70s it was after - at least for the UM/tOSU tilt
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Not one of OSU's WR's were a finalist for the Biletnikoff. Olave should've been. Easily. Aidan Hutchinson not a finalist for the Bednarik either.
who votes for these things? seriously.
:sign0065: Shadow government trying to destabilize the country.Good Point who are these slappies,what is their metric,and who the hell appointed them.Prolly the same miscreants who hacked the voting Polls :57:
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For JH, this one is important obviously, a potential CFP spot versus 10-2 and a NY6 bowl game, both of which are pretty solid options. A blow out loss could hurt, but I think his coaching seat is only middlin' warm either way.
Wisconsin of course was 1-3 early in the year. Pretty amazing turnaround, I wouldn't sleep on them in the CG.
That could throw a wrench.
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Wisconsin of course was 1-3 early in the year. Pretty amazing turnaround, I wouldn't sleep on them in the CG.
ED Zacherey,Coach PC has done a commendable job when it seemed the tents were getting folded.
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it's important for HArbaugh because he really needs a win in the rivalry and he has a dern good team. The quality level team it takes to get a win over the Buckeyes. The Wolverines could certainly take even a small step back next season with kids leaving for the NFL and/or other factors. The Buckeyes could possibly be even better next season. They are a young team. So the gap could widen.
Jim needs to strike while the iron is HOT!
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it's important for HArbaugh because he really needs a win in the rivalry and he has a dern good team. The quality level team it takes to get a win over the Buckeyes. The Wolverines could certainly take even a small step back next season with kids leaving for the NFL and/or other factors. The Buckeyes could possibly be even better next season. They are a young team. So the gap could widen.
Jim needs to strike while the iron is HOT!
this is all true. Jim is 0-5 in this game, would've been 0-6 if not for COVID. He needs a win in this game more than he's ever needed a win in any game he's ever coached. Maybe moreso than when he coached in the Super Bowl vs his brother.
That's why I'm afraid for Michigan. His butthole will pucker up and he won't coach the game loose and just let 'er rip. He's going to get super tight and make mistakes because of the anxiety/pressure/nerves imo. Seen him do it one too many times in games nowhere near as big or important as this one.
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Blake Corum seems like a great kid.
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1463492751941640202?s=20
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I feel like this game used to be played on the Rivalry Weekend #1, the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Is that right or am I crazy?
(both could be true)
True.
Big Ten football was almost always over with the week before Thanksgiving, except in years where there were only 11 weeks between Labor Day and Thanksgiving. Or you were playing a 12th game in Hawaii. I rather liked that.
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Hassan Haskins is easily my favorite RB at Michigan since Mike Hart. Guy is a warrior and a complete back who blocks his ass off.
https://twitter.com/mikethewolveri1/status/1459929663036436488?s=20
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going to be a "maize out" this Saturday...apparently they will be handing out yellow pom-poms/towels to the crowd...
https://twitter.com/UMichFootball/status/1463492600023764996?s=20
https://twitter.com/UMichFootball/status/1463537816256667654?s=20
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Amazing.
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pff top 5 highest graded offensive true freshman players in the P5: Michigan QB JJ McCarthy & Ohio State RB TreVeyon Henderson make the list.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1461507015012851713?s=20
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Hassan Haskins is easily my favorite RB at Michigan since Mike Hart. Guy is a warrior and a complete back who blocks his ass off.
helluva RB
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Who does these ratings and how?
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maize just is not an intimidating color
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Charles Woodson will in the big house to be honored for his NFL Hall of Fame enshrinement. Very cool. Too bad he can't suite up. I bet he'd still make some plays on these young'ns at age 45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVC5gq-ooY
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56 receptions, 916 yards, 16.4 avg, long of 75, 12 TDs
in Austin
literally burns my ass this kid isn't in Ann Arbor. Special, special talent.
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OSU lost its NFL bound safety, Josh Proctor, early in the year. It happens.
You are overthinking this.
Two very good teams going at it in a rivalry game. Never plays out the way you think.
a few key plays will turn it- and Michigan and Ohio State are loaded with dudes capable of making those plays.
it would not surprise me even a little if these teams reversed roles. Buckeyes use the running game for sustained drives- Michigan gets explosive plays out of their passing game.
maybe so. but in a game like this vs a program as dominant as Ohio State- you need every single elite level player you can get your hands on. Ronnie Bell + Xavier Worthy on this team would've just taken their passing offense to another level and given me more confidence they can actually pull this off. Bell isn't quite on the David Bell/OSU3 superstar tier- he was a notch below those guys but still a hell of a player- and Worthy- shit he honestly might be the most purely talented WR in the entire nation- just a young true frosh pup on a pretty bad team without much help around him and he's already showing how special he is.
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maize just is not an intimidating color
Yeah, but it pops. Dark colors don't.
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Happy Thanksgiving.
I get extra nervous when everyone (radio heads) are saying the same thing (that OSU, is head and shoulders better than TTUN.) and that the game is OSU's to lose. I don't think they (radio heads) are giving TTUN their due respect, I expect this to be a knock out drag out brawl. And I hope the Buckeyes end up the victors, but this will be OSU's toughest game to date, against the most talented roster they have faced. But, I'm not feeling good about it right now.
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I’ve watch the Buckeyes a lot since Oregon. They’ve definitely looked beatable at times in several games. Most recently at Nebraska.
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maize just is not an intimidating color
Getting fed through the combine?
(https://www.deere.com/assets/images/region-4/products/harvesting/x-series/x91000-r4x000619_rrd.jpg)
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I’ve watch the Buckeyes a lot since Oregon. They’ve definitely looked beatable at times in several games. Most recently at Nebraska.
Every team has at times, even if midgame. OSU is scary good when they are good.
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I'm not feeling good about it right now.
I'm pretty sure that you feeling good about a tOSU team is one of the signs of the apocalypse.
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I'm not feeling good about it right now.
Actually, given your track-record, PLEASE keep being worried.
From the tOSU/MSU game thread:
Doom and Gloom TyphonInc here to post:
I'm pretty concerned about this game. If MSU can get their run game / clock control offense moving, against OSU's suspect defense; that's the best way to nerf OSU's high flying offense.
And I still don't trust our rookie quarterback when the game is on the line.
I think this will be a 17-24 type of game, and I hope the good guys can get the lead early; because if OSU has to come from behind, I'm not sure our happy feet overthrowing QB, and coach who forgets we a talented Running back can figure it out on the fly.
Glad this game is in the Shoe. I will personally vouch for ridiculous amounts of yelling that will lead to 2 unnecessary mistakes by the Spartan offense/special teams.
49-0 at the half.
From the tOSU/PU game thread:
Man, I'm feeling like Bell will get the Spoilermakers 21 points on his own. and this game will be a lot closer than that 21 point spread Vegas has been bet up to.
35-7 early in the second quarter and PU finished with 31. Bell had one catch for seven yards and the Buckeyes won by 28.
I don't see any comments from you in the tOSU/UNL game thread (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/6-ohio-state-(5-0-7-0)-at-nebraska-(1-5-3-6)-game-week/).
From the tOSU/PSU game thread:
"I think Penn State, errr I mean 'Pittsburgh' (see what I did there?) is going to throw everything including the kitchen sink at the Buckeyes, and it's gonna be another classic. If OSU doesn't bring their A+ game, I can see the game breaking in favor of the Bad guys."
PSU's only two-score loss of the year and note that in PSU's other three losses they trailed by a combined total of seven points at the end of regulation. The Buckeyes beat them by nine.
Please keep worrying. That said, I'm a little worried about this one too.
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Mike Valenti is picking Michigan.....not sure how I feel about this......probably the kiss of death...his 12 point plan for Michigan victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYqT9jRwvuw
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Michigan winning would be interesting becuase it would mean there was some hope of competition in a game I used to look forward to a good bit, and I do like some chaos.
But OSU is ridiculous and I bet we see the Wolverines in a bodybag.
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Michigan has only played Ohio State when both teams were ranked inside the top 5 on 11 occasions. This will be the 12th time in the series history. Michigan is 3-7-1 in those top 5 match-ups, but are 3-1-1 at home. They are 0-6 in top 5 match-ups in Columbus- with 2006 and 2016 being their most recent top 5 battles in Columbus.
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Was 1997 the last top 5 matchup in AA?
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Was 1997 the last top 5 matchup in AA?
2003. Michigan was ranked 5th and Ohio State was ranked 4th heading into that game. Michigan won 35-21. Chris Perry and Braylon Edwards both went off that day, securing the victory for Michigan.
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ESPN Game Day's guest celebrity game picker will be comedian Sebastian Maniscalo. Barely familiar with him. Can't get Dave Portnoy or Charles Woodson or someone affiliated with Michigan in any way? C'mon ESPN.
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apparently there has been rumors circling around OSU board/OSU twitter that CJ Stroud and starting safety Ronnie Hickman may be out for tomorrows contest.
OSU guys in here- you hearing anything on either guy at all?
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NOPE
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apparently there has been rumors circling around OSU board/OSU twitter that CJ Stroud and starting safety Ronnie Hickman may be out for tomorrows contest.
OSU guys in here- you hearing anything on either guy at all?
Hope not. If true, game, set, match for UM
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I'm pretty sure that you feeling good about a tOSU team is one of the signs of the apocalypse.
I felt pretty good about Oregon...
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Hope not. If true, game, set, match for UM
probably not even true. rumors on michigan boards stemming from osu twitter/osu247 "insider" who posted something apparently about Stroud puking his guts out and Hickman being injured. any OSU people heard anything at all?
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Are you having a senior moment? pretty sure we answered,nothing from Cleveland Radio or any message boards,guess i'm not an insider.Maybe some one trying to move the line
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something apparently about Stroud puking his guts out and Hickman being injured. any OSU people heard anything at all?
Birmington on Letterman Row has said no traction but it's a suscribe site.Someone on 11 Warriors coughed up after peeking behind the paywall
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Just because I bothered to calculate, points per red zone trip:
Michigan 5.11
Ohio State 5.48
Eventually this stat will catch on.
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Just because I bothered to calculate, points per red zone trip:
Michigan 5.11
Ohio State 5.48
Eventually this stat will catch on.
I have been clamoring for that forever. And extending it out to the 30. I think one of my earliest posts on the CFN boards was after the 2002 UM-OSU game, how UM got inside the OSU 35 five times, and got 9 points out of it; while OSU got inside Michigan's 35 twice, and punched in two TDs
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I have been clamoring for that forever. And extending it out to the 30. I think one of my earliest posts on the CFN boards was after the 2002 UM-OSU game, how UM got inside the OSU 35 five times, and got 9 points out of it; while OSU got inside Michigan's 35 twice, and punched in two TDs
Bill Connelly does this for inside the 40.
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ESPN Game Day's guest celebrity game picker will be comedian Sebastian Maniscalco. Barely familiar with him. Can't get Dave Portnoy or Charles Woodson or someone affiliated with Michigan in any way? C'mon ESPN.
He's funny a f...
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Just because I bothered to calculate, points per red zone trip:
Michigan 5.11
Ohio State 5.48
Eventually this stat will catch on.
This is a MUCH better stat than the usual % because the % treats FG's and TD's as equals. If a team was 100% with all FG's that % is MUCH better than either tOSU's or M's but obviously their points per is 3 which is MUCH worse.
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I felt pretty good about Oregon...
Please keep worrying!
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for as much is made about the state of Ohio having more HS football talent than Michigan- which it obviously does...most of OSU's starters are...well...not from Ohio.
QB - CJ Stroud - California
RB - TreVeyeon Henderson - Virginia
WR - Chris Olave - California
WR - Garrett Wilson - Texas
WR - Jaxon Smith-Njigba - Texas
TE - Jeremy Ruckert - New York
LT - Nicholas Petit-Frere - Florida
LG - Thayer Munford - Ohio
C - Luke Wypler - New Jersey
RG - Paris Johnson Jr. - Ohio
RT - Dawand Jones - Indiana
DE - Zach Harrison - Ohio
DT - Haskell Garrett - Nevada
NT - Antuwan Jackson - Georgia
DE - Tyreke Smith - Ohio
WILL - Steele Chambers - Georgia
MIKE - Cody Simon - New Jersey
BULL - Ronnie Hickman - New Jersey
CB - Denzel Burke - Arizona
CB - Sevyn Banks - Florida
FS - Bryson Shaw - Maryland
CS - Craig Young - Indiana
2 on offense and 2 on defense- both at LOS positions.
Michigan has 1 starter on offense (LT Ryan Hayes) from the state of Michigan, and 4 on defense (OLB/DE Aidan Hutchinson, NT Mazi Smith, ILB Josh Ross, and CB Vincent Gray).
There are 44 starters on these units between the two teams. Only 9 are from Michigan/Ohio, roughly 20%. Which means 80% of the starting players in this game aren't even from these states or really know what it means to the people of these two states.
Also: kind of makes me think it really doesn't matter how much talent you have in your state if you can recruit nationally. Not exactly like Bama has stock-piles of HS talent in their state. Ever since Saban has been there they recruit nationally and get whoever the hell they want from whatever state they want.
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Temperature at kickoff should be in the low 30s with 5 mph wind. Wind chill in the mid-20s. Maybe some snow flurries. Hope Californian Stroud dresses warm.
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He'll stay warm - marching up and down the field and all
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OSU 31-27
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He's funny a f...
Dave portnoy sucks, and works for a rival company. Woodson I like, but also works for a rival company.
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Maniscalco was a worthless picker. Had about as much CFB knowledge as Katy Perry. And he's not even from Michigan nor was a student there.
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Maniscalco was a worthless picker. Had about as much CFB knowledge as Katy Perry. And he's not even from Michigan nor was a student there.
should've asked Bill Burr. He's a diehard Michigan fan. And way funnier than whoever the hell that guy was.
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I use to like Burr
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I like Burr, but I'm not sure he's family friendly enough for the mouse...
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I like Burr, but I'm not sure he's family friendly enough for the mouse...
true lol.
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They did put him on the Mandalorian
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They did put him on the Mandalorian
scripted show though- on a live tv show.....Burr can say anything...
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https://youtu.be/VEKCaWkwXb4
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https://youtu.be/VEKCaWkwXb4
this is AMAZING LOL. Thanks for this.
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I doubt the mouse had the same level of casting control as they'd have for Gameday.
Mandalorian also isn't broadcast or even cable. Streaming is a different animal entirely.
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My inkling is looking like a thing.
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scripted show though- on a live tv show.....Burr can say anything...
As he should. Best stand up out there right now.
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As he should. Best stand up out there right now.
Chappelle imo. Burr a solid #2.
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Chappelle imo. Burr a solid #2.
I like both, though Chapelle's voice dropping really throws me sometimes. It's like listening to an entire different voice compared to his show days.
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Chappelle imo. Burr a solid #2.
I'm good either way. Both are amazing. I saw Chappelle in 1999 with Jim Breuer for $20. I saw Chappelle alone two years later for $80.
In between he did his HBO special from DC, which to this day is my favorite stand-up special
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So this is what this feels like.
Hail
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So this is what this feels like.
Hail
Congrats SM. 😊
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He should know, everything from the '90s is getting rebooted, including Michigan upsetting Ohio State
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Congrats SM. 😊
Good to see you my man. Been a long time.
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Oh so you stop by just to rub it in,I see..:111:...,your boys won in all phases today.So we're good,Jim can go on another 5 game losing streak like John Cooper now
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Oh so you stop by just to rub it in,I see..:111:...,your boys won in all phases today.So we're good,Jim can go on another 5 game losing streak like John Cooper now
Lol. With two little ones, there have not been many times I’ve stopped to enjoy moments for me. Needed to savor today just a little. 15/16 years of beat downs made me a little numb to CFB. Today helped.
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I know how you feel, mario. Congrats to you and the other Wolverine fans, that was a heck of a fun game to watch.
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almost as much as the RRR
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Congrats to TTUN, Hairball, and the Skunk-weasel faithful.
TTUN owned both lines of scrimmage. They played with a focus passion, OSU did not.
Haskins had a career defining day; Stroud threw a lot of passes behind or into the ground.
Congrats again, but I can't bring myself to root for TTUN, on any of their remaining matches.
SuperMario, always a pleasure to have you stop by, wish it was under different circumstances.
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So is Day's seat getting warm? :57:
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So is Day's seat getting warm? :57:
he loses 1 B1G game every 30 tries. UNACCEPTABLE. FIRE HIM NOW!
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Congrats to TTUN, Hairball, and the Skunk-weasel faithful.
TTUN owned both lines of scrimmage. They played with a focus passion, OSU did not.
Haskins had a career defining day; Stroud threw a lot of passes behind or into the ground.
Congrats again, but I can't bring myself to root for TTUN, on any of their remaining matches.
SuperMario, always a pleasure to have you stop by, wish it was under different circumstances.
Ty- You need to stop with the Stroud criticism. The guy completed 70% of his passes for 400 yards, no turnovers and two touchdowns. He had a QBR of 83, which was better than McNamara’s, all while under tremendous pressure, In an extremely hostile environment and extremely crappy weather.
Michigan kicked their butts on the line of scrimmage for sure. While Henderson averaged 4 1/2 yards per carry he did not get very many touches because Michigan kept putting Ohio State behind schedule with their negative plays.
Michigan just wanted it more and you could see it from the opening kick off. I would also add that Michigan called a great game as far as offensive playcalling, completely outsmarting Ryan day which has never happened since I’ve been watching him.
I read that Michigan had 8TFL’s in the game and Ohio State had zero. Stop and think about that. Someone on one of the forums had gone back five seasons and could not find a game or Ohio State had less than 5TFL’s in a game.
That’s the way football works, sometimes you’re the pigeon and sometimes you’re the windshield and yesterday Michigan was not to be denied! I give them all the credit in the world.
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So, Michigan could end up facing UGA? That could be interesting.
Alabama has not looked that good against common opponents with UGA.
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So, Michigan could end up facing UGA? That could be interesting.
Alabama has not looked that good against common opponents with UGA.
I feel like Michigan has the ability to play with any team including Alabama and Georgia.
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They showed that ability by beating OSU who had impressed me, a lot. I'm not sure who else is really in that group of two, Oklahoma State?
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I would certainly like to see Hutchinson be at least considered for the Heisman.
It is supposed to go to the best player, not the quarterback on one of the more visible teams.
Stroud and Young were both the front runners going into yesterday. Stroud played well but lost and the Bama quarterback played like shit until two minutes left in the game.
Hutchinson personally altered the big rivalry game yesterday. I don’t know how much more you can ask.
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They do have defensive awards, not as prestigious, and the Heisman is basically an award for the "best looking" offensive back.
I agree this year there is no impressive looking offensive player.
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I feel like Michigan has the ability to play with any team including Alabama and Georgia.
Depends on the ebb/flow of rythym and tempo.They play like yesterday absolutely,they play like they did vs Rutgers/MSU NO
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They have the ABILiTY, I agree, ABILITY does not always show up on the field.
UGA has the ABILITY to beat Alabama.
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Michigan’s win over Ohio State was the #1 goal of the season. Now what? The Big Ten Championship game with Iowa seems kind of like a cherry on a cake. I hope Michigan’s players can refocus quickly, like now.
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I hope Michigan’s players can refocus quickly, like now.
THIS,since IA/UM both have scoreboard i have no dog in the fight.But look at MSU after and emotional win over UM.The tOSU after emotional wins over Boilers/Spartans - it definately happens
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THIS,since IA/UM both have scoreboard i have no dog in the fight.But look at MSU after and emotional win over UM.The tOSU after emotional wins over Boilers/Spartans - it definately happens
I think we tend to over think things like emotions and what not. Point blank: winning road games in the B1G is TOUGH. These stadiums hold 80-100k fans and the fans can get LOUD and crazy in these games. Tough environments and hostile crowds are tough to overcome, period.
Styles make fights. And the games always comes down to the match-ups. Michigan State has a horrendous secondary, and they are in for a bad match-up vs teams that can really throw the football. Purdue throws the ball 2nd best out of every team in the league (2nd in pass yards per game and 2nd in TD passes) and has the best single WR in the league- and a guy that should be a 1st rd pick imo. Ohio State throws the ball better than any team in the nation- and has the best trio of WR's in the country- and all 3 of them will be 1st rd picks imo. MSU is a run first team with an elite RB. When they get in a hole to teams that are airing the ball out it takes them out of their game and things can snow ball. That's what you saw in both those games imo. Hard to keep pounding the rock when the other team is up in a flurry because your back-end is swiss cheese.
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True. But…
I firmly believe this when it comes to Team sports:
You can’t manufacture hunger.
It comes from somewhere deep inside, and brews over time. If you don’t have it in your gut at the start of game week, no coach or self speech can create it.
I am not saying the Buckeyes didn’t want it yesterday- they did in a bad way. But Michigan unleashed years of hunger. They were not going to be stopped yesterday. By anyone. It took years to create that level of focus. I don’t think anyone could have beaten them in that stadium and those conditions yesterday.
It was quite impressive.
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For those who have played- you know how painful it can be to tackle a good player in cold weather.
By the second half I could see OSU players hesitating for just that split second. The Michigan dudes embraced it, looked for it.
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You can’t manufacture hunger.
It comes from somewhere deep inside, and brews over time. If you don’t have it in your gut at the start of game week, no coach or self speech can create it.
I am not saying the Buckeyes didn’t want it yesterday- they did in a bad way. But Michigan unleashed years of hunger. It took years to create that level of focus.
Yes but those kids weren't there for yrs neither the coaches save Harbs and his kid,so somewhere in between IMO.tOSU probaly expended too much beating Purdue/MSU after they won big.They were flat for sure and a lot of things factor into that.
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True. But…
I firmly believe this when it comes to Team sports:
You can’t manufacture hunger.
It comes from somewhere deep inside, and brews over time. If you don’t have it in your gut at the start of game week, no coach or self speech can create it.
I am not saying the Buckeyes didn’t want it yesterday- they did in a bad way. But Michigan unleashed years of hunger. They were not going to be stopped yesterday. By anyone. It took years to create that level of focus. I don’t think anyone could have beaten them in that stadium and those conditions yesterday.
It was quite impressive.
Oh I agree 100%.
You also can't manufacture leadership either. What I've seen from Hutchinson this entire year....kid is a leader of men and plays with so much passion and so much edge that it rubs off on all the other players- on both sides of the ball.
Talent is important, but man...leadership is so underrated. It's why guys like Tebow were so incredible in college and why a guy like Brady has been so dominant in the NFL. Getting an entire team to follow you and getting all those players to buy in and raise their games to another level- ain't easy. I don't think coaches can do that. It's got to come from players in that locker room.
Michigan point blank has not had a leader like Hutchinson in a long ass time. Whoever picks him in the NFL draft isn't just getting a phenomenal player- they are getting a great locker room guy who can lead a team.
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Oh I agree 100%.
You also can't manufacture leadership either. What I've seen from Hutchinson this entire year....kid is a leader of men and plays with so much passion and so much edge that it rubs off on all the other players- on both sides of the ball.
Talent is important, but man...leadership is so underrated. It's why guys like Tebow were so incredible in college and why a guy like Brady has been so dominant in the NFL. Getting an entire team to follow you and getting all those players to buy in and raise their games to another level- ain't easy. I don't think coaches can do that. It's got to come from players in that locker room.
Michigan point blank has not had a leader like Hutchinson in a long ass time. Whoever picks him in the NFL draft isn't just getting a phenomenal player- they are getting a great locker room guy who can lead a team.
Amen.
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For those who have played- you know how painful it can be to tackle a good player in cold weather.
By the second half I could see OSU players hesitating for just that split second. The Michigan dudes embraced it, looked for it.
Said that during the game. Haskins is so damn physical- defenders don't want to tackle him by the 4th QTR. LOVE the way that kid runs. He isn't looking to dance around- he's looking to run right at you and through you. Warrior.
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Yes but those kids weren't there for yrs neither the coaches save Harbs and his kid,so somewhere in between IMO.tOSU probaly expended too much beating Purdue/MSU after they won big.They were flat for sure and a lot of things factor into that.
Honestly Nubbz- I don’t think Ohio State was flat at all. I think they were as ready as they could be and thought as hard as they could. They just weren’t ready for what Michigan unleashed on them and I don’t know if anybody could have been.
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Said that during the game. Haskins is so damn physical- defenders don't want to tackle him by the 4th QTR. LOVE the way that kid runs. He isn't looking to dance around- he's looking to run right at you and through you. Warrior.
Amen to that as well and he will make a great back in the NFL
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For those who have played- you know how painful it can be to tackle a good player in cold weather.
By the second half I could see OSU players hesitating for just that split second.
HS games are thru by the 1st week in November but we played into february at the park by my house.On Michigans last TD Steele Chambers went after a blocker taking on one of the LBs and the play went right up the gut past him into the EZ.We were like what the hell are you doing,course we said that alot yesterday
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There is an aspect of randomness that pervades a football game. A few inches here and there, a couple holding calls, someone falling down, ....
I see it frequently of course, if THAT had not happened, the other teams wins. Usually it is multiple "THATS". Folks ascribe outcomes to motivation and whatever else, often it's just the way the ball bounces.
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Honestly Nubbz- I don’t think Ohio State was flat at all.
That's what we had been discussing,two firends both coached one was an AD at the local school.They were like it reminded them of the oregon game and not the last 2-3 where they captured lightning in a bottle.Michigan had closer contests for the most part and perhaps stayed sharper.Like Ohio State in '02 where seemingly every game hung in the balance
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There is an aspect of randomness that pervades a football game. A few inches here and there, a couple holding calls, someone falling down, ....
10 penalties is excessive, even if most are the 5 yard variety
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10 penalties is excessive, even if most are the 5 yard variety
CJ Stroud had been sick- he had lost his voice- and that crowd was super rowdy and loud. OSU OL were having trouble hearing him and the snap count- which is why there was so many false starts for OSU.
Playing on the road vs a loud, fired up crowd of 100,000+ in crappy weather is a bitch- especially when your QB had been sick and his voice is shot and he can't really bark out the calls. People for some reason beyond my comprehension keep discounting just how tough it is to play on the road in hostile environments in this conference. It's a son of a bitch.
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maybe you go to the "CLAP"
6 or 7 false starts is too many regardless of the circumstances
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Haskins:
1,232 rushing yards, 18 rushing touchdowns, 100 first downs, and only 3 negative rushes all year for a total loss of six yards. If that's not workhorse, workmanlike moving the chains and producing positive plays- I don't know what is.
If this kid had the elite 4.3/4.4 speed he'd be a 1st rd pick. 6'1, 225 and runs like a man possessed and also blocks his ass off to in pass protection. Almost the perfect back. His only flaw that I can see is that lack of home-run speed.
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https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1465002056448684032?s=20
https://twitter.com/_ZachShaw/status/1464959547035029517?s=20
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Ty- You need to stop with the Stroud criticism. The guy completed 70% of his passes for 400 yards, no turnovers and two touchdowns. He had a QBR of 83, which was better than McNamara’s, all while under tremendous pressure, In an extremely hostile environment and extremely crappy weather.
Stroud had a great game in normal circumstances. Add to it that it was The Game, in the snow, he had been sick and he faced the amount of pressure he did, he had an outstanding game. Olave uncharacteristically dropped two passes that should have been caught for at minimum 40 more yards.
im not sure how much more you can ask from the kid. He looked really good. Made some incredible passes. The ball he threw over Hutchinson to Henderson, had a perfect touch, which normally a throw that young struggles with. Bucks are in good hands at the qb spot
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Ohio State quarterback Jack Miller announced that he will enter the NCAA transfer portal. Sources confirmed to 247Sports that he has officially entered the portal. Miller, a former four-star recruit, took to Twitter and addressed a letter to his Ohio State teammates, coaches, families and Buckeye Nation.
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Nebraska should look into him - just spring for the Uber
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Frosty likes QBs that can run like hell
who knows what the next O-coordinator will like
hopefully, the new coordinator will bring a QB with him
and an O-line
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Some impressive work by the UM Dline. That was pivotal. I hope UGA can do half as well next Sat.
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Ohio State quarterback Jack Miller announced that he will enter the NCAA transfer portal. Sources confirmed to 247Sports that he has officially entered the portal. Miller, a former four-star recruit, took to Twitter and addressed a letter to his Ohio State teammates, coaches, families and Buckeye Nation.
I wonder what his motivation was. He could be LSU's next Heisman.
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I wonder what his motivation was. He could be LSU's next Heisman.
Well he is third on the depth chart, behind a redshirt Freshmen who is entrenched in the role ( Stroud), And McCord. And- you have Ewers sitting there too- if he stays.
Smart play- he is more than good enough to start at a P5 school.
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What Honest Buckeye(correction) says,if he stays in the BIG hope he heads west.He's definately has some tools to work with.He may have been thinking of it but then his DUI so time to wipe the slate clean
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These 4-5 star guys aren't going to wait and sit. I imagine Carson Beck at UGA will portal out soon. JT Daniels may leave as well. Bennett may stay and start next year too.
It's very confusing to me.
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What Honest Buckeye(correction) says,if he stays in the BIG hope he heads west.He's definately has some tools to work with.He may have been thinking of it but then his DUI so time to wipe the slate clean
Nebraska is the furthest West - Go West young man!
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Nebraska is the furthest West - Go West young man!
Nah, Frost is all in on Smothers.
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Frost seems to be a loyal mother
of course he shitcanned his offensive staff
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Be nice if Day sent some of his defensive staff packing
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Ohio State had zero. Stop and think about that. Someone on one of the forums had gone back five seasons and could not find a game or Ohio State had less than 5TFL’s in a game.
The Forums didn't look too hard. They dropped the zero turnovers, sacks, TFL vs. Oregon just this year.
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Haven't had a chance to visit the forum in a few days with the holidays and all.
First off, Congrats to the fans of the Skunk Weasels from the north, they played a great game. I am very envious of their offensive line. They pushed the tOSU D line around at will. They played a great game. Haskins had a great day rushing and while he had many holes opened for him, he ran hard and gained plenty of yards after contact.
Defensively, they were a stone wall against the run and those 2 D ends kept the pressure on the tOSU offense all day long. Hutchinson is great player and will be glad that is the last time he plays in this game.
As for tOSU, they have some things to work on. The first thing I would do is go looking for a real defensive coordinator. This little experiment with Barnes and Coombs has run its course. I've not been impressed with their schemes nor their adjustments. I'm also a little disappointed in the D Line and wondering if Larry Johnson has lost his edge. That performance Saturday was pathetic. I'm not trying to take away from the great play of the Skunk Weasels, but tOSU's line play was terrible.
While I was impressed with TTUN's performance, I will be rooting for the Hawkeyes. (That will also be hard as I have a coworker that is a long time Iowa fan and would hate to give him something to brag about.)
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The Forums didn't look too hard. They dropped the zero turnovers, sacks, TFL vs. Oregon just this year.
Yeah, I wasn't profoundly disappointed because I had already seen that game once this season. The Michigan and Oregon games were practically the same thing. I said way back when this team had no hope at a championship. I was impressed that the defense was improved in a lot of their games, but at the end of the day, they are still the same team.
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As for tOSU, they have some things to work on. The first thing I would do is go looking for a real defensive coordinator. This little experiment with Barnes and Coombs has run its course. I've not been impressed with their schemes nor their adjustments. I'm also a little disappointed in the D Line and wondering if Larry Johnson has lost his edge.
Yup,their not recruiting real hard either.3 seasons and haven't gotten better,they've been riding the coattails of very good offenses.If Coombs wants to take over DBs again fine but take the paycut also.Washington was bad at Michigan also.He's been given shots at two blue bloods with meager results - that should be on his resume'
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* Quote of the weekend: Jim Harbaugh, asked Saturday following Michigan's colossal triumph if he has thoughts on trash talking from Ohio State, notably in recent years:
"Some people were born on third and think they hit a triple."
Yep, Harbaugh is back. I sort of missed obnoxious Jim. Sort of.
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That mongoloid took 6 yrs to come up with that and recycling BO's quotes after being the highest or near highest paid failure has nerve.Got into it with Nueheisel,Carroll and a few others.poor sport shooting your mouth off after the fact.
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he doesn't get many opportunities
gotta take his shots while he can
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How was your PorterHouse Party?
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was merely a prime ribeye party - guessing at 16oz or better
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and two bottles of
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was just fine
and very refined
thanks
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High fallutin' aren't you prolly have these for the clubs - in Viking Colors
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hats for bats
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* Quote of the weekend: Jim Harbaugh, asked Saturday following Michigan's colossal triumph if he has thoughts on trash talking from Ohio State, notably in recent years:
"Some people were born on third and think they hit a triple."
Yep, Harbaugh is back. I sort of missed obnoxious Jim. Sort of.
Pretty mild compared to Day saying he was going to put 100 points on Michigan.
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Pretty mild compared to Day saying he was going to put 100 points on Michigan.
Your comparing remarks made in private, to public press comments. Day has always been gracious and respectful about Harbaugh, Michigan staff and players before and after every game. Win or lose.
you are also forgetting that those comments about hanging 100 were made in private after Harbaugh falsely accused day of cheating on the big tens conference call with plenty of media there.
It would be like Ohio State fans being upset because Harbaugh said “let’s go kick their ass” and practice or pregame speech.
to the victor go the spoils, so Harbaugh has earned the right to shoot his mouth off and he has taken the opportunity to do so. He has every right. You just have to ask yourself: is that really what you want to do and is that how you want your coach to sound.
I am a little surprised his anger is directed at the on the field opponent when so many of the voices that have been hitting him have come from his own side of the fence.
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I'm all in on the shit talk between the coaches. I would hope that they really don't like each other and want to kick eachothers asses every year. That's how this rivalry should be- but respectful. I think Jim might've crossed the line with the born on 3rd base remark- but he did have a point- Day was handed a Ferrari that had been running roughshod over the B1G by Urban Meyer. I mean Urbs was at Ohio State for what- 7-8 years? I think he lost 9 games total and only 4 in the B1G. That is an insane amount of winning.
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Amen
it's a rivalry
a solid dose of hatred is appreciated
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I'm all in on the shit talk between the coaches. I would hope that they really don't like each other and want to kick eachothers asses every year. That's how this rivalry should be- but respectful. I think Jim might've crossed the line with the born on 3rd base remark- but he did have a point- Day was handed a Ferrari that had been running roughshod over the B1G by Urban Meyer. I mean Urbs was at Ohio State for what- 7-8 years? I think he lost 9 games total and only 4 in the B1G. That is an insane amount of winning.
Meh. It’s one sided. Day never has, and likely never will, make a disrespectful remark about Harballs or Michigan. Too smart and too classy.
The comment about third base ignores the fact that Day rebuilt the Ferrari and drove it- in 2017,2018 before taking over in 2019. Reality is he was most responsible for three wins, and one loss.
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Meh. It’s one sided. Day never has, and likely never will, make a disrespectful remark about Harballs or Michigan. Too smart and too classy.
The comment about third base ignores the fact that Day rebuilt the Ferrari and drove it- in 2017,2018 before taking over in 2019. Reality is he was most responsible for three wins, and one loss.
He did say he was going to hang 100 on em. I think he said that in private and it leaked- so to his credit he does seem smart about the shit talk.
I can get onboard with that. He revolutionized the pass game at Ohio State. Took it to another level that it had never been to before in school history- not even close really. The #'s his QB's have been putting up are off the charts- and he's about to have his 3rd QB go in the 1st after Stroud puts up monster stats in 2022 again and goes in the 1st in 2023 NFL draft.
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He did say he was going to hang 100 on em. I think he said that in private and it leaked- so to his credit he does seem smart about the shit talk.
I can get onboard with that. He revolutionized the pass game at Ohio State. Took it to another level that it had never been to before in school history- not even close really. The #'s his QB's have been putting up are off the charts- and he's about to have his 3rd QB go in the 1st after Stroud puts up monster stats in 2022 again and goes in the 1st in 2023 NFL draft.
Yes- it was said to his team and leaked. And it was in response to a public accusation by Harbaugh. He saw a photo of Al Washington on the practice field with players, 2 days before it was allowed. What he didn’t know( or forgot) was that before the season was temporarily canceled due to covid, Ohio State was scheduled to open the season on Thursday night v Illinois, 2 days before the other teams were scheduled on Saturday Sept 5th. So obviously those 2 teams were allowed to start 2 days earlier.
Imagine the douchery of interrupting another coach who is speaking, to falsely accuse them of cheating, on a conference call with all of the other coaches and ADs, and Media.