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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: Thumper on November 16, 2021, 06:05:53 PM
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#12 OU (-4) v ISU. The Sooners aren't dead yet, their play just smells that way. I'm going to pick them to win, don't ask me why.
WVU v UT (-2.5). I'll take WVU at home.
TCU (-22!) v KU. TCU.
KSU v #11 Baylor (even). Huh?? I'll take Baylor.
TT v #9 OSU (-10.5). I'll take OSU
I cannot wrap my head around all this weirdness.
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OU and UT playing at 11am???
SEC SEC SEC
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8 out of 12 Texas games this year are 11 AM.
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not good for recruiting if recruits have to travel
probably doesn't hurt Texas as much with so many recruits close by
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In the past, Texas coaches have said they like early kickoffs because they get to spend the entire rest of the day with the recruit.
Pretty sure that people who complain about 11 AM kickoffs just want to complain about something.
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tough to get a kid and his family to Lincoln NE for an 11am kick when the kid played his high school game the night before in Florida, Texas, or California
Sure, they can show up in the 3rd or 4th quarter and get some game day experience, but not the whole thing
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tough to get a kid and his family to Lincoln NE for an 11am kick when the kid played his high school game the night before in Florida, Texas, or California
Sure, they can show up in the 3rd or 4th quarter and get some game day experience, but not the whole thing
Well if I were a coach that was struggling with recruiting, that's certainly what I'd tell my boss... and the public...
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name a coach that can't find enough recruits within 200 miles that isn't struggling with recruiting
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name a coach that can't find enough recruits within 200 miles that isn't struggling with recruiting
Nick Saban.
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11am is the Big 12's national broadcast slot. If the game were ever big enough, they could get a 7pm or so game on ABC or something to go nationwide, but right now, 11am is the only slot the Big 12 has that isn't regional.
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11am is the Big 12's national broadcast slot. If the game were ever big enough, they could get a 7pm or so game on ABC or something to go nationwide, but right now, 11am is the only slot the Big 12 has that isn't regional.
Yup, it's the national game for both ABC and Fox. And it has been for decades.
TX-OU in most years would be big enough to move to primetime, but because of the State Fair and the neighborhood surrounding the State Fairgrounds, this will never, ever happen.
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Is this the time for me to point out that, in coming years, the Big 12 should have Thursday night college football all to itself?
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Sooner fans don't like the 11:00 time slot, but neither does Lincoln Riley.
And it's for the same reason Fearless mentioned--recruiting.
I don't think he's just making excuses to his boss.
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Is this the time for me to point out that, in coming years, the Big 12 should have Thursday night college football all to itself?
The NFL now has a game on Thanksgiving night, that killed the chance of any significant schools ever playing in that timeslot again.
It's a shame, I loved our Tday night tradition with the Ags.
Edit: Ah, I see that you're probably talking about the B12 after the TX/OU departure? I guess, but it's pretty pointless to go up against the NFL. Not even marquee college football teams will pull good ratings when up against the NFL.
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plenty of college football fans that don't care about the NFL
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Nick Saban.
Atlanta is 200 miles from Tuscaloosa
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plenty of college football fans that don't care about the NFL
Not enough for any college program to bother.
Atlanta is 200 miles from Tuscaloosa
Nope, it's 202.
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SEC Shorts - Texas wants out of the SEC - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z53JjZL5WsI)
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SEC Shorts - Texas wants out of the SEC - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z53JjZL5WsI)
posted a long time ago
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UGA plays some team from Charleston Southern this week, I think I have heard of them. I'm reminded of the tradition of scheduling a pastry before the Big Rivalry Game with .... Georgia Tech, who is not much of a rival these days of course. CSU might give Tech a decent game. Tech has a number of close losses this season, including to NIU and they play at Notre Dame this weekend.
It amsued me.
I've been looking at tickets to the UGA-Tech game but they are pricey.
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I'm really glad that Texas doesn't play a 1-AA team.
I mean, this year specifically, it might be a good thing.
But in general, I'd be pretty angry with our administration if they scheduled one. I sure hope we don't adopt the SEC's crappy FCS scheduling traditions after we join.
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I think the CFP committee was fully prepared to leave an undefeated OU out of the playoff foursome due to their struggles playing Big 12 teams. Obviously that's not relevant any longer, but I believe it demonstrates the national perception of the Big 12.
The only way I see to overcome that is for the Big 12 teams to schedule and win some nationally relevant OOC games. Now it takes two parties to agree, but the Big 12 should put everything they have towards doing so.
Fair or not, the SEC doesn't have that problem. They're free to schedule whomever they wish, and simply stand on the "we had to play in the SEC" platform at the end.
But yeah, we only get 12 games per season. I look forward to them (even if Texas currently sucks donkey nards). Deliberately wasting one for no reason is a letdown.
Keep in mind, there can be good reasons for not scheduling all world beaters. Recruiting proximity, traditions, and the ability for the "lesser" school to feature the trip on their recruiting pitches are all acceptable.
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I think the CFP committee was fully prepared to leave an undefeated OU out of the playoff foursome due to their struggles playing Big 12 teams. Obviously that's not relevant any longer, but I believe it demonstrates the national perception of the Big 12.
The only way I see to overcome that is for the Big 12 teams to schedule and win some nationally relevant OOC games. Now it takes two parties to agree, but the Big 12 should put everything they have towards doing so.
Fair or not, the SEC doesn't have that problem. They're free to schedule whomever they wish, and simply stand on the "we had to play in the SEC" platform at the end.
But yeah, we only get 12 games per season. I look forward to them (even if Texas currently sucks donkey nards). Deliberately wasting one for no reason is a letdown.
Keep in mind, there can be good reasons for not scheduling all world beaters. Recruiting proximity, traditions, and the ability for the "lesser" school to feature the trip on their recruiting pitches are all acceptable.
I think we all know exactly why the SEC has its annual FCS Cupcake weekend. And it has worked out well for them. As you say, they're given a pass for it.
I'm speaking as a fan of football when I say, I'd rather see my team NOT schedule FCS teams, than see my team game the system the way the SEC has for so many years, even if it means gaining an advantage when it comes to poll rankings and selection committee perception.
Also, I don't think the committee was going to leave out an undefeated OU. But they certainly won't give a 1-loss (or more) OU all that much consideration.
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I'm pretty confident that a 13-0 OU would have gotten in.
Apparently, Alabama will get in even with a loss to Georgia in the SEC CCG.
Bama is obviously THE dominant program of the past 12-15 years, and nobody else is even close. Not even Clemson.
But this year's Bama team has not looked like world-beaters and--IMO--does not deserve to be ranked #2 just because it has been so great for so much of the past decade-plus, and, with 2 losses, would not deserve to go to the CFP if there's a 1-loss P5 conference champion that is left out.
I say that knowing that OU has gotten the benefit of the doubt as a 1-loss CFP selectee.
I wish we were using the old BCS formula rather than the Committee to select and rank-order the teams.
Every week the chairman trots out and makes stuff up about why the Committee voted as it did. And the rationales change from week to week, frequently contradicting themselves.
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I certainly agree that a 2-loss Alabama would have no business in the CFP.
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Parts of the sports media blogosphere are acting like it's a done deal so long as the hypothetical loss to Georgia is not a blowout.
I keep remembering all those arguments for a playoff that were based on "let it be decided on the field." ~???
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Parts of the sports media blogosphere are acting like it's a done deal so long as the hypothetical loss to Georgia is not a blowout.
I keep remembering all those arguments for a playoff that were based on "let it be decided on the field." ~???
Let it be decided on the field-- unless it conflicts with our preconceived notions. Then, let it be decided by humans with their inherent biases.
Even by the "eyeball test" Alabama clearly doesn't look the part this year. Close calls against poor teams. A loss to an average team. This is not the Alabama of years past. And that's not a knock on them, it's impossible to maintain the level they've been at forever. And I'm sure as long as Saban is there, they'll get right back to it in short order.
But THIS year? No. This is not the same Alabama.
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I can see a potential argument for including a team that lost a CG, but it should be rare, and their ONLY loss, not two.
And as noted, Bama has not really looked overwhelming even in their wins, aside from NMSU.
They don't run the ball very well, and I hear that can be important. Shirley we will have some more deserving one loss teams, and even Cincy.
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I'm about 95% certain Georgia will win the SEC CCG.
So if your team could do us all a favor and just pound the Tide, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! :)
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The Sooners win 28-21 over the BiaBs. How can a 10-1 team be so disappointing? Not getting my hopes up for next week.
Wow, Texas. SMH.
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The Sooners' OC needs to have a head coach telling him to run the ball better and more often. Those 3-incomple-passes 3-and-outs were almost killers today.
I have no confidence that the Sooners will do well in Stillwater After Dark next week. I won't be surprised if they win, but I have no expectation of that.
Nebraska had a tough finish. Down 35-28, they had 1st and 10 at the Wisky 11 with a minute to go. The sequence went like this. Holding, now 1st and 20 from the 21. Incomplete pass, not even close, 2nd and 20 from the 21. Time out. Incomplete pass, not even close, 3rd and 20 from the 21. Time out. Incomplete pass, not even close, 4th and 20 from the 21. Time out. Incomplete pass into double coverage.
It's as if every play was just a 21-yard Hail Mary pass. Martinez fell back in the face of a tremendous pass rush and launched the ball downfield every time, including the incompletion on the first play that was negated by the holding call. They could have discussed the bus ride home during those time-outs for all the play-calling showed.
Texas--WTH?
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Nebraska had a tough finish. Down 35-28, they had 1st and 10 at the Wisky 11 with a minute to go. The sequence went like this. Holding, now 1st and 20 from the 21. Incomplete pass, not even close, 2nd and 20 from the 21. Time out. Incomplete pass, not even close, 3rd and 20 from the 21. Time out. Incomplete pass, not even close, 4th and 20 from the 21. Time out. Incomplete pass into double coverage.
It's as if every play was just a 21-yard Hail Mary pass. Martinez fell back in the face of a tremendous pass rush and launched the ball downfield every time, including the incompletion on the first play that was negated by the holding call. They could have discussed the bus ride home during those time-outs for all the play-calling showed.
and I really don't like blaming refs, but on 4th and 20 the pass to the 1 was obviously pass interference
shoot, give em the ball on the 1 with a few seconds left and let the Huskers beef it themselves, it's almost assured
if they do score, the Huskers have a GREAT chance to beef it in OT
SHOOT
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I didn't see it in replay, but live I didn't catch any DPI. There were 2 or 3 badgers right there when the ball arrived.
Yes, it's all very different if Nebraska had been sitting there with 1st and goal at the 1. They still had a TO, so they probably could have gotten 2 plays off.
Still, the play-calling in that sequence seemed very uncreative. And impatient. There was enough time for four plays, even if a couple of them didn't get out of bounds, as the Huskers had 3 TOs. Yet every play-call was for a TD pass. No screens or draws to take advantage of the pass rush. No RPO. No short plays to get closer to the goal line. Just drop back in the face of the rush and launch the ball downfield, hoping for a TD.
My critique is probably not welcome. But I too am frustrated by Nebraska's season. The Huskers are my favorite program after the Sooners, so it has not been enjoyable to watch them play just well enough to lose close games to good teams all season.
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I'm obviously biased, but will give the benefit of the doubt to the ref
caught it live, confirmed obviously in replay
Coach Frost obviously frustrated, not sure if he saw it live or was told by an assistant from replay
many calls good and bad in a 60 minute game, but as I said, that call would just give Nebraska the opportunity to extend the game, it wouldn't give them a great advantage.
make the right call and alloew the game to be decided by the next few plays or overtime
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I'm about 95% certain Georgia will win the SEC CCG.
So if your team could do us all a favor and just pound the Tide, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! :)
I saw an early line that had UGA favored by one point. I don't think this will be an easy game at all. But I also think if UGA has nc aspirations they need to win it.
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I'd guess the spread will be more than 1 point
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I've now heard two national radio guys assert that Alabama will be in the CFP unless they are blown out by Georgia.
That might be correct, but that doesn't make it right.
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I'm obviously biased, but will give the benefit of the doubt to the ref
caught it live, confirmed obviously in replay
Coach Frost obviously frustrated, not sure if he saw it live or was told by an assistant from replay
many calls good and bad in a 60 minute game, but as I said, that call would just give Nebraska the opportunity to extend the game, it wouldn't give them a great advantage.
make the right call and alloew the game to be decided by the next few plays or overtime
A frustrating situation, definitely. A bad call at the end of a close game is really damaging because there's no time left for the team that got negatively affected to overcome the zebras' mistake.
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yup, no chance for a make-up call by the guilty crew
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I've now heard two national radio guys assert that Alabama will be in the CFP unless they are blown out by Georgia.
That might be correct, but that doesn't make it right.
it's not correct and it's not right
but, Oregon getting an ass whoopin could help it be correct
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Yep. Two potential 1-loss conference champions--Oregon and Wake Forest--went down today. Three if you count Michigan State, but once Michigan State beat Michigan the B1G was only going to have one 1-loss team (at the most) emerge.
So, there will be the unbeaten SEC champ and the 1-loss B1G champ (unless Wisconsin wins the CCG). There go 2 slots in the CFP.
Then there will be as many as 4 other candidates: 1-loss Notre Dame, a 1-loss Big 12 champ (I'd bet on FoSu if I had to bet), unbeaten Cincinnati, and 2-loss Alabama.
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Alabama has not looked like "Alabama" all year. If they beat UGA, OK, but if not, NO.
We have too many one loss teams at this point who are conference champs, or could be. The ACC and Pac are basically out. Mayhem in the Big Ten could knock them out but to me Ohio State looks really good. Oklahoma State is looking very good. That could change.
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#12 OU (-4) v ISU. The Sooners aren't dead yet, their play just smells that way. I'm going to pick them to win, don't ask me why.
WVU v UT (-2.5). I'll take WVU at home.
TCU (-22!) v KU. TCU.
KSU v #11 Baylor (even). Huh?? I'll take Baylor.
TT v #9 OSU (-10.5). I'll take OSU
I cannot wrap my head around all this weirdness.
The Sooners win by 7 and cover. D looked good, O was awful. Sooners need a win against OSU or a Baylor loss next week to get into the CCG.
WVU wins by 8. Texas does not go bowling.
TCU by 3 over KU. TCU needs a win next week to get a bowl. KU is improving under the new coach.
OSU 23-0 over TT. OSU defense plays another beauty and clinches a spot in the CCG.
Baylor by 10 over KSU. Baylor needs a win next week plus a Sooner loss to get to the CCG.
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Baylor vs OSU would be just what the Big 12 wants and not a good look for the SEC SEC SEC
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My brother has bought into the theory that Bob Bowlsby has issued orders to the Big 12 officials to screw OU and Texas at every opportunity.
A thing that supports notions like that is that it is always easier to remember the bad calls that went against you than the bad calls that went your way.
I doubt that Bowlsby would issue an edict that damning.
Still, I suppose that some officials might have picked up on anger against the two "deserters" from the Big 12 office, and that that might affect their judgment on judgment calls.\
So maybe it is happening now.
Maybe it happened to Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M as they were leaving the conference.
I would hate a Sooner loss to FoSu next week. The Pokes might end up with scoreboard until the end of time.
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Right now Texas is playing so bad no bad calls are necessary
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Maybe it happened to Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M as they were leaving the conference.
it definitely, obviously, and blatantly happened to Nebraska
not sure about the others
I assume it could easily happen to the Sooners and Horns and probably is.
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It's definitely happening to Texas. Why would you think such an order would NOT be issued? Some kind of "honor" among conference administrators? That thought is laughable.
The SEC quite clearly directs the officials to protect and favor the higher ranked teams, especially if they're traditional powers and undefeated. This really isn't any different.
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Lots of Aggies believe it was the case in 2011. Been ridiculed on here for expressing that very same sentiment.
No matter. The SEC has been good for A&M.
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yup, the B1G has been good for the Huskers ($$$)
but, the conference office being petty regarding programs leaving is extremely disappointing when it comes to the integrity of officiating.
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I've been anticipating some biased calls but haven't really seen it against OU. Just normally crappy B12 officiating.
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I'm with you, Thumper. I've just seen normal, crappy, Big 12 officiating.
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I used to ref rec soccer, it isn't easy in real time.
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https://twitter.com/Crimealytics/status/1462154313216798736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1462154313216798736%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fcrimealytics%2Fstatus%2F1462154313216798736%3Fs%3D21
The ball has already been delivered all the way downfield (and dropped) by the intended receiver, before the defender drags the QB to the ground, injuring him. The ref is right there, staring, the entire time. No call. This type of crap happened all game long, and it has happened all season long.
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blatant
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Strangely enough, SEC fans think their officials are bad, and biased, if not crooked.
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https://twitter.com/Crimealytics/status/1462154313216798736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1462154313216798736%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fcrimealytics%2Fstatus%2F1462154313216798736%3Fs%3D21
The ball has already been delivered all the way downfield (and dropped) by the intended receiver, before the defender drags the QB to the ground, injuring him. The ref is right there, staring, the entire time. No call. This type of crap happened all game long, and it has happened all season long.
When I saw that play, I said, "Well, at least there's a first down for roughing!". Wasn't shocked when there wasn't any.
Let's be clear. When the ball is snapped, Texas lets defenders have a free run at the QB practically every time. The Texas defenders won't ever get to the opposing QB even on a blitz. That is the absolute root cause of why Texas is losing games. The 2018-19 draft classes should be leading our lines right now. Instead they play for other people.
I wish the line play were better so I could complain about the cruddy officiating more.
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Strangely enough, SEC fans think their officials are bad, and biased, if not crooked.
Most people think that of their own conference officials. Having watched plenty of SEC and B12 football, I can tell you that SEC officials are much better than B12 officials in general.
As I've said before, I have certainly noticed that SEC officials quite clearly favor and protect the higher ranked team, especially if they represent the SEC's best chance to get into the CFP. But this is obviously a direct order from the league office, so I don't question their competence. They're doing the exact job that the league is paying them to do.
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So, you'd expect them to call in Bama's favor over Auburn? Tiger King posted that just today on Facebook.
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When I saw that play, I said, "Well, at least there's a first down for roughing!". Wasn't shocked when there wasn't any.
Let's be clear. When the ball is snapped, Texas lets defenders have a free run at the QB practically every time. The Texas defenders won't ever get to the opposing QB even on a blitz. That is the absolute root cause of why Texas is losing games. The 2018-19 draft classes should be leading our lines right now. Instead they play for other people.
I wish the line play were better so I could complain about the cruddy officiating more.
As crappy as the lines are, our team is pretty evenly matched against the rest of the B12. All of the 1-score finals prove that. So, when you're evenly matched with your opponent, and the refs are letting the other team get away with shit that is THAT blatant, it is absolutely crushing. There's just no way around this truth,
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So, you'd expect them to call in Bama's favor over Auburn? Tiger King posted that just today on Facebook.
Absolutely. I saw them call in Alabama's favor against Arkansas just 2 days ago.
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There are 13 teams in the SEC not named Alabama.
You'd think they might gang up and demand improvement.
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I'm sure they have
to no avail
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Uh huh. Sure.
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the refs couldn't keep the Aggies from upsetting big ol Bama
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the refs couldn't keep the Aggies from upsetting big ol Bama
Indeed they couldn't.
I didn't watch that game, so can't comment on how the officiating turned out.
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we'll ask @Gigem (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1706)
there, fixed it
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Yeah I'll get right on that. :)
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You must not remember the screwing the Big 12 refs gave A&M and Nebraksa a decade ago when they left. They probably screwed CU and Mizzou as well, but whatever.
Turnabout is fair play.
Entering SEC play with a coach on the hot seat is not a good place to be in. If your admin knew last year when they fired Tom Herman, and they did, they should have let him stay one more year.
The lone bright spot is that your recruiting will get much better, immediately once the entry date is determined. The stranded assets are no longer stranded. OU will probably remain about the same, which is still very good.
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You must not remember the screwing the Big 12 refs gave A&M and Nebraksa a decade ago when they left. They probably screwed CU and Mizzou as well, but whatever.
Turnabout is fair play.
Entering SEC play with a coach on the hot seat is not a good place to be in. If your admin knew last year when they fired Tom Herman, and they did, they should have let him stay one more year.
The lone bright spot is that your recruiting will get much better, immediately once the entry date is determined. The stranded assets are no longer stranded. OU will probably remain about the same, which is still very good.
I imagine I didn't give any more of a shit about the ags then, than you do about the Horns now. So I suppose that makes us even.
The rest of the stuff is irrelevant. Being non-competitive in the SEC is no different than being non-competitive in the B12.
The baseball will be great, though.
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if the Horns are competitive in baseball ;)
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if the Horns are competitive in baseball ;)
we went to the show last year and I think our team will probably be better this year
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the test will be, can you get to the show in the SEC SEC SEC?
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the test will be, can you get to the show in the SEC SEC SEC?
a conference is not limited to only one team so Id say yep
all it takes is good hittin pitchin and fieldin no prob
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if playin a tougher schedule, good hittin, pitchin, and fieldin is realtive
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if playin a tougher schedule, good hittin, pitchin, and fieldin is realtive
SECSECSEC gets way more regionals and supers than all the other conferences. Texas now gets to benefit from the partiality of the selection committee.
It's gonna work out quite well for the Horns.
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that's the spirit!