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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on November 12, 2021, 08:24:59 PM
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Jalen Berger visiting MSU today. I guess he's the player to be named later in the Kalon Gervin deal?
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Mel Tucker mastering the damn portal.
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Scott Frost will have to do VERY WELL in the portal to save his job
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I think that's going to be the key for the non-alabama, OSU, Georgia, Clemson's of the world.
You get these five star, high four star guys who can come in and make an impact right away, ok. But those low four and three star guys, who don't make an impact their freshman year, suddenly they are in the portal immediately. So if you aren't getting a top five type class, you are better off getting all of those kids once they don't get immediate satisfaction
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just gotta try to find more than you lose
and upgrade along the way
not easy
most kids in the portal have an issue or 3
probably be better to be lucky than good, imo
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just gotta try to find more than you lose
and upgrade along the way
not easy
most kids in the portal have an issue or 3
probably be better to be lucky than good, imo
I don't even think you need that. People are acting like Mel Tucker built his entire roster off the portal. I think he has 5 transfer starters. Walker and one OL, then Crouch and both CBs on defense. 17 of 22 starters are MSU recruits. And that is for the program that is touted as the portal darling
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most kids in the portal have an issue or 3
Sadly they resort to taking up golf later in life
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sadly????
your whore mouth!!!
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LSU CB Eli Ricks enters the transfer portal.
Man LSU should've had one of the best CB duos ever in Stingley Jr. and Ricks- both have barely played this year- Stingley will be in the NFL next year and Ricks is gone. Tough luck.
Kid is a day 1 starter anywhere in America. If Ohio State gets him I'm going to throw up.
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Jalen Berger visiting MSU today. I guess he's the player to be named later in the Kalon Gervin deal?
If hat kid gets his shit together, would be quite a get.
But he also couldn't be bothered to attend things like class or practice/meetings to the satisfaction of the UW staff to the point where they booted him.
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If hat kid gets his shit together, would be quite a get.
But he also couldn't be bothered to attend things like class or practice/meetings to the satisfaction of the UW staff to the point where they booted him.
Allen looking pretty damn good. They could've been quite the duo.
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Eli Ricks to sign LOI to Ohio State thru the portal according to Nubbz News
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Jalen Berger visiting MSU today. I guess he's the player to be named later in the Kalon Gervin deal?
Committed to MSU
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Indiana currently has 10 players who have entered the portal after this catastrophe of a season. I'd expect more. Could be as many as 10 more. We are about to re-enter the early Kevin Wilson years in terms of depth. Allen is going to have to get this figured out quickly or he'll be gone in two years when his buyout is manageable. I'm not saying that's the right move for a guy who has taken IU to some pretty high highs relative to IU history. But given the investment the school has (finally) made in football three straight losing seasons can't be accepted.
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Tucker could keep loading his roster with 1 year left transfer portal players and keep this going indefinitely.
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Committed to MSU
Maybe he will be more committed to working out and attending meetings at MSU.
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How many players has Tucker portaled in since he got there? It has to be over 40 by now.
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ou and nd fire sale is now open. accepting all bids...
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How many players has Tucker portaled in since he got there? It has to be over 40 by now.
Berger is #11
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Jack Plummer (QB) for Purdue has entered the portal. Was the starter for the first few games but lost his spot to Aiden O'Connel. Curious if this means that AOC is coming back, because that would be a huge boost to my confidence in the Purdue offense next year (even with the likely loss of Bell).
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Berger is #11
They were saying Tucker had 37 transfers in during the Michigan @Sparty game?
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I am reminded of that 7 up commercial.
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They were saying Tucker had 37 transfers in during the Michigan @Sparty game?
I mean you can look it up on 247's portal tracker. They brought in 10, 3 started, a couple were rotation players, a couple didn't play at all. It was very overblown because of HOW good Walker was. Also Joel Klatt is usually wrong about everything
RB Kenneth Walker
WR Christian Fitzpatrick
TE Maliq Carr
LB Quavaris Crouch
LB Ben VanSumeren
LB Itayvion Brown
CB Ronald Williams
CB Chester Kimbrough
CB Khary Crump
CB Marqui Lowery
Seems like they are missing Jarrett Horst and Drew Jordan, so Berger is actually #13
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Also Joel Klatt is usually wrong about everything
ed zachery
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2 of Maryland's 3 Top 100 recruits from 2021 are in the portal
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Also Joel Klatt is usually wrong about everything
I wish he had been wrong about The Game in his predictions. :'(
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2 of Maryland's 3 Top 100 recruits from 2021 are in the portal
yep.
5* LB Terrence Lewis (#21 overall) of Miami, FL and 4* LB Branden Jennings (#100 overall) of Jacksonville, FL- both gone. It was a hell of a BS sales pitch by Maryland to sign either of them in the first place honestly. Lewis was a Tennessee commit but when that fall apart he bolted. Jennings committed to FSU very early- where his father played- but de-committed once FSU started bombing. He eventually flipped to Michigan- and de-committed from Michigan at the last second once Michigan started bombing and thought it would be a better idea to go to Maryland.
No news on if Michigan will go after either one. I'm guessing not. Michigan admissions are a pain in the ass when it comes to transfers. Apparently most credits for most other schools won't transfer over- these kids won't get any credits and most of them don't want to have to play more school more than they already play school to make them up in order to get admitted. Can't say I blame them.
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I mean you can look it up on 247's portal tracker. They brought in 10, 3 started, a couple were rotation players, a couple didn't play at all. It was very overblown because of HOW good Walker was. Also Joel Klatt is usually wrong about everything
RB Kenneth Walker
WR Christian Fitzpatrick
TE Maliq Carr
LB Quavaris Crouch
LB Ben VanSumeren
LB Itayvion Brown
CB Ronald Williams
CB Chester Kimbrough
CB Khary Crump
CB Marqui Lowery
Seems like they are missing Jarrett Horst and Drew Jordan, so Berger is actually #13
Mel Tucker had portaled in 20 by last Aug. 24th. The 20 are all listed in the following article:
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/08/how-mel-tucker-is-using-the-transfer-portal-to-overhaul-michigan-state-football.html
(https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/08/how-mel-tucker-is-using-the-transfer-portal-to-overhaul-michigan-state-football.html)
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Mel Tucker had portaled in 20 by last Aug. 24th. The 20 are all listed in the following article:
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/08/how-mel-tucker-is-using-the-transfer-portal-to-overhaul-michigan-state-football.html
(https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/08/how-mel-tucker-is-using-the-transfer-portal-to-overhaul-michigan-state-football.html)
It says nearly 20, then goes on to say 19. 4 of which were walk ons, two of which were punters, one was a master's student from Wheaton, none of which played. It also is counting Jayden Reed for some reason, who transferred after the 2018 season, under the old transfer rules, sat out all of 2019, while Dantonio was coach.
Brown, Carr, Crouch, Crump, Fitzpatrick, VanSumeren, Walker, Williams, Brooks, Horst, Joiner, Jordan, Kimbrough, Russo are the 14 scholarship transfers I believe. So it seems like 247 is missing 4 actually.
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Of all of these kids, the one I'd like to see stay is Donte Burton. Chandler too, maybe, if he didn't burn the bridge too much (probably did). They showed some promise.
Why did the MSU kid transfer out to UW??
(https://i.imgur.com/PNLYsuy.png)
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Why did the MSU kid transfer out to UW??
He got passed by a true freshman, and was no longer in the two deep by the Nebraska game, I don't think he got a snap. Granted, after we lost both starters, he sure would have been nice to have around.
He was a highly rated recruit, but he was too small to cover anyone.
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Can he return punts/kicks?
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Can he return punts/kicks?
He never did at MSU
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Brown, Carr, Crouch, Crump, Fitzpatrick, VanSumeren, Walker, Williams, Brooks, Horst, Joiner, Jordan, Kimbrough, Russo are the 14 scholarship transfers I believe. So it seems like 247 is missing 4 actually.
hey 247 is trying to write a good story... besides, walkons and punters are people too
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Husker QB Adrian Martinez is in the transfer portal.
https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/nebraska-qb-adrian-martinez-has-entered-the-transfer-portal (https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/nebraska-qb-adrian-martinez-has-entered-the-transfer-portal)
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Husker QB Adrian Martinez is in the transfer portal.
https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/nebraska-qb-adrian-martinez-has-entered-the-transfer-portal (https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/nebraska-qb-adrian-martinez-has-entered-the-transfer-portal)
He still has eligibility left? It seems like he's been at Nebraska for 10 years.
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Husker QB Adrian Martinez is in the transfer portal.
https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/nebraska-qb-adrian-martinez-has-entered-the-transfer-portal (https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/nebraska-qb-adrian-martinez-has-entered-the-transfer-portal)
makes no sense. he's exhausted all of his eligibility, no? his biggest problem is he's a turnover machine. 45 TD to 30 INT is, well, not good. He's also fumbled like 35 times and lost over 20 of them I think. not sure who would really want him.
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I assume Northwestern, Illinois, or Rutgers would take him.
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I assume Northwestern, Illinois, or Rutgers would take him.
so he's hopping from a 3-9 team to other 3-9 teams?
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Adrian Martinez: Yes, he does have a year of eligibility. I figured if Logan Smothers played well against Iowa Martinez would see the writing is on the wall. When he isn't being intercepted, he is fumbling the ball. Illinois could be a destination because they want to run the ball. But, I don't think they want to fumble the ball.
Anyone know if it his throwing arm that had a surgery, or the nondominant side?
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He still has eligibility left? It seems like he's been at Nebraska for 10 years.
His brother was there for 3-4 yrs
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Someone put together an update on how all of the transfers out of MSU did this year, and to be honest, I have no idea how the final MD team won 7 games. Most transferred down a level and still didn't play. We had guys transfer to places like Bowling Green and South Alabama, and not see any game action.
Rocky Lombardi was the starter for Northern Illinois, but the only other guy to have an impact was Jeslord Boateng, who won a starting LB job at Akron, and led the team in tackles.
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2 positives out of how many? a dozen?
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Someone put together an update on how all of the transfers out of MSU did this year, and to be honest, I have no idea how the final MD team won 7 games. Most transferred down a level and still didn't play. We had guys transfer to places like Bowling Green and South Alabama, and not see any game action.
Rocky Lombardi was the starter for Northern Illinois, but the only other guy to have an impact was Jeslord Boateng, who won a starting LB job at Akron, and led the team in tackles.
You may have discussed it, but didn't MSU benefit from a lot of transfers this year? I think I read an article about how MSU had really hit the portal, and if so, it clearly paid off in the product on the field, which was pretty impressive this year.
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It says nearly 20, then goes on to say 19. 4 of which were walk ons, two of which were punters, one was a master's student from Wheaton, none of which played. It also is counting Jayden Reed for some reason, who transferred after the 2018 season, under the old transfer rules, sat out all of 2019, while Dantonio was coach.
Brown, Carr, Crouch, Crump, Fitzpatrick, VanSumeren, Walker, Williams, Brooks, Horst, Joiner, Jordan, Kimbrough, Russo are the 14 scholarship transfers I believe. So it seems like 247 is missing 4 actually.
Ah, sorry, I see you did so, right here.
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I didn't know Boateng led Akron in tackles. Far out.
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looks like spencer rattler and lincoln riley might meet up again in souther california, except on opposing teams. rattler looking at a ucla transfer.
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fun
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S Enzo Jennings in the portal, he is leaving Penn State. Jennings was a high 4* recruit from Michigan in the 2020 class. He's the second highly ranked kid from Michigan to hit the portal at Penn State in back to back classes, as former 5* LB Lance Dixon in the 2019 class hit the portal and transferred from Penn State to West Virginia.
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Arizona State RB DeaMonte Trayanum (5'11, 235) enters the portal. DeaMonte is a former 4* RB recruit from the 2020 class from Akron, OH.
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I might misspell his name if he finds his way to UNL
and Frost needs a RB
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lots of smoke/rumors that OT JC Latham may be looking to leave Alabama and enter the transfer portal. Latham is a former 5*, #1 OT, and #3 player overall in the 2021 class 247Composite rankings.
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that's what Frost REALLY needs
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Oklahoma OT Brey Walker (6-7, 330) enters the transfer portal. Walker was a former 5*, #4 OT, and #1 player in the state of Oklahoma in the 247Composite in the 2018 class.
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Quinn Ewers in the portal. Pour one out for the mullet
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Quinn Ewers in the portal. Pour one out for the mullet
Shocking I tell you!
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Quinn Ewers in the portal. Pour one out for the mullet
It was inevitable with the way Stroud- who is a RS fresh has played and with the way OSU continues to recruit the position.
Ewers reclassifying to 2021 and skipping his senior year kinda screwed everything up. He comes in 2022, he redshirts- Stroud has another big season then goes pro and is a 1st round pick in 2023- and it all sets up for Ewers to take over as a RS Fresh in 2023.
Sucks losing 5* and 4* QBs- but OSU is stock-piling them and that only means great competition and the best players will rise to the top. Stroud is legit 1st round NFL prospect in 2023 Draft. Would take a catastrophic injury or him falling off the largest cliff ever for that not to happen.
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Gonna make it tough to win another NC with a 3rd string QB.
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It was inevitable with the way Stroud- who is a RS fresh has played and with the way OSU continues to recruit the position.
Ewers reclassifying to 2021 and skipping his senior year kinda screwed everything up. He comes in 2022, he redshirts- Stroud has another big season then goes pro and is a 1st round pick in 2023- and it all sets up for Ewers to take over as a RS Fresh in 2023.
Sucks losing 5* and 4* QBs- but OSU is stock-piling them and that only means great competition and the best players will rise to the top. Stroud is legit 1st round NFL prospect in 2023 Draft. Would take a catastrophic injury or him falling off the largest cliff ever for that not to happen.
Yeah- not sure ever intended to play a down.
Made an estimated $1.4mm from NIL instead of spending a year in HS. Also got to spend 6 months training with a great QB coach and development environment.
probably well played.
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Yeah- not sure ever intended to play a down.
Made an estimated $1.4mm from NIL instead of spending a year in HS. Also got to spend 6 months training with a great QB coach and development environment.
probably well played.
I'm sure he intended to play. Every hot-shot 5* recruit thinks they are the best thing since sliced bread and will come in and play right away. He probably thought he was so good- he'd come in right away and win that job. Turns out- Stroud is pretty damn good too- and has couple year head start on ya buddy.
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I'm sure he intended to play. Every hot-shot 5* recruit thinks they are the best thing since sliced bread and will come in and play right away. He probably thought he was so good- he'd come in right away and win that job. Turns out- Stroud is pretty damn good too- and has couple year head start on ya buddy.
Ewers was 4th string. In fact- OSU had a walk on in addition to Stroud, McCord and Miller who was likely to see serious game action before Ewers.
He didn’t even get there until August. Day said just a few weeks ago, he was just beginning to understand a little bit of the offense.
Ewers knew with certainty he could never play this year. He also knew that staying in Texas would preclude him from from legally collecting any NIL money.
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Pour one out for the mullet
HUH?
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He also knew that staying in Texas would preclude him from from legally collecting any NIL money.
What's this and how is this legal?
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Ewers was 4th string. In fact- OSU had a walk on in addition to Stroud, McCord and Miller who was likely to see serious game action before Ewers.
He didn’t even get there until August. Day said just a few weeks ago, he was just beginning to understand a little bit of the offense.
Ewers knew with certainty he could never play this year. He also knew that staying in Texas would preclude him from from legally collecting any NIL money.
I don't know man- these are 17-18 year old kids. Ewers has been hearing probably since he was 12-13 how great he is and that he's the hottest shit on planet earth. He was the #1 player in the 2022 class, reclassified and was still the #1 player in the 2021 class. According to the 247 "ALL-TIME" rankings- Ewers was tied with Jadeveon Clowney, Robert Nkemdiche, Rashan Gary, and Vince Young as the highest rated football recruit ever. Ever.
I can almost guarantee you the kid is a gigantic cocky shit who thinks he's gods gift and was going to waltz in and win that job because he's so much more talented than everyone.
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Per Austin Ward:
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/board/120/Contents/per-austin-ward-on-ewers-177200612/?page=1
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5 star Buckeye freshman QB Ewers to transfer portal because he needs to start 5 games next year to meet NIL contract? Lol. Going to take a while to wrap my head around that one.
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Per Austin Ward:
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/board/120/Contents/per-austin-ward-on-ewers-177200612/?page=1
RUNAWAY
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There's no doubt Texas will pursue him. We have no other QBs worth a darn. He'll get plenty of interest from other schools as well.
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I feel a bit bad for the guy, really. I mean, I'm sure he'll be fine. But he was supposed to be a freshman next year, and have his senior year this year, and made the no brainer financial decision to move that up. But then he's still a young guy away from home who isn't playing this year and won't play next year. So moving on seems like a pretty easy choice.
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I feel bad that he and his friends/family didn't make a better decision a few months ago
live and learn and move on
always the risk when you go to a program that recruits at the level of Bama or Clemson or Ohio St, or Texas or a top 10 program
you might have to wait to play and you might not ever be good enough to play
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I feel bad that he and his friends/family didn't make a better decision a few months ago
live and learn and move on
always the risk when you go to a program that recruits at the level of Bama or Clemson or Ohio St, or Texas or a top 10 program
you might have to wait to play and you might not ever be good enough to play
word.
He's not anywhere close to the first and he certainly won't be the last, to think he was good enough to compete immediately, and then ride the pine instead.
The only new wrinkle here, is the NIL angle. And going forward that type of thing won't be unique, either.
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I feel bad that he and his friends/family didn't make a better decision a few months ago
I wouldn't call it a bad decision. He went somewhere, made his money, and now can go somewhere else and make more money and also play. Win-win from a football and financial standpoint. The "Feel bad" is more about his personal feelings, where as a young kid his plan got out of whack and he had to change on the fly.
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word.
He's not anywhere close to the first and he certainly won't be the last, to think he was good enough to compete immediately, and then ride the pine instead.
The only new wrinkle here, is the NIL angle. And going forward that type of thing won't be unique, either.
I don't think he really thought he was going to play substantially this year. I don't think that was a motivation at all. But when the guy ahead of you is a Heisman candidate who is coming back next year, it changes the analysis.
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I don't think he really thought he was going to play substantially this year. I don't think that was a motivation at all. But when the guy ahead of you is a Heisman candidate who is coming back next year, it changes the analysis.
The guy ahead of him wasn't a Hesiman candidate until the season played out. There's no doubt in my mind that this highly recruited 5* QB believed he could compete and win the starting job in year 1. They ALL think they can compete and win the starting job in year 1. And that's not a bad thing. It just doesn't always work out, obviously, and then, as you stated a moment ago, it's time to change the plan on the fly.
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The guy ahead of him wasn't a Hesiman candidate until the season played out. There's no doubt in my mind that this highly recruited 5* QB believed he could compete and win the starting job in year 1. They ALL think they can compete and win the starting job in year 1. And that's not a bad thing. It just doesn't always work out, obviously, and then, as you stated a moment ago, it's time to change the plan on the fly.
this.
This kid was one of the biggest recruits ever....he was the #1 rated player in the nation in the class of 2022, he reclassified to 2021- and all the 'crootin sites STILL ranked him as the #1 player in the nation. 247 had him tied with Jadeveon Clowney (#1 overall pick), Robert Nkemdiche (#29 overall pick), Vince Young (#3 overall pick), and Rashan Gary (#12 overall pick) as the highest rated RECRUIT EVER. Ever.
No doubt in my mind either that he thought he could win a job that was completely open. Stroud wasn't an entrenched starter. Fields had just left and went off to the NFL 1st round- job was open for someone to take.
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perhaps all the 'crootin sites drank too much kool-ade?
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The guy ahead of him wasn't a Hesiman candidate until the season played out. There's no doubt in my mind that this highly recruited 5* QB believed he could compete and win the starting job in year 1. They ALL think they can compete and win the starting job in year 1. And that's not a bad thing. It just doesn't always work out, obviously, and then, as you stated a moment ago, it's time to change the plan on the fly.
I mean, sure, all decent players think they are going to go in and compete and be awesome. That's why they compete. But the plan was for him to be a freshman next year, and then really be the starter the year after that. Then the NIL rules changed and he had to change his plan on the fly, which screwed up his timeline. First world problems, to be sure.
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No doubt in my mind either that he thought he could win a job that was completely open.
He didn't even arrive until the middle of training camp. Maybe in the back of his mind thought he could eventually win the job, but I don't think even he thought he would step right in and be the guy.
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He didn't even arrive until the middle of training camp. Maybe in the back of his mind thought he could eventually win the job, but I don't think even he thought he would step right in and be the guy.
He's 17-18 years old. Do you remember being 17-18? Yeah, they don't think rationally.
Kid was being told he's the best thing EVER since he was probably 12-13 years old. I'm sure in his mind he thought he could go in there no matter the situation and wind up winning the job before the year is over.
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Max, I think you're downplaying how much these kids truly believe they're The One. I guarantee you he did.
But we can disagree here and it doesn't change anything. He's transferring out and there are many schools that will be interested him, he'll have his pick of the litter. If he came to Texas, I'm almost positive he'd be starting next year, our QB room is pretty pathetic right now. That's true of a lot of other schools too.
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Max, I think you're downplaying how much these kids truly believe they're The One. I guarantee you he did.
But we can disagree here and it doesn't change anything. He's transferring out and there are many schools that will be interested him, he'll have his pick of the litter. If he came to Texas, I'm almost positive he'd be starting next year, our QB room is pretty pathetic right now. That's true of a lot of other schools too.
Texas would be a good fit for him. He's from the state, and he walks in he's the day 1 starter and has an amazing RB to hand the ball off to (Bijan) and an incredible WR to throw to (Worthy). Toys like that would be very enticing to any QB.
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It's amazing how our society's priorities are changing.Nothing wrong with making some money or positioning yourself in a better place to do so.There seems to be no patience or wanting guaranteed money w/o guaranteed results
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It's amazing how our society's priorities are changing.Nothing wrong with making some money or positioning yourself in a better place to do so.There seems to be no patience or wanting guaranteed money w/o guaranteed results
wasn't his NIL deal $1.4 million? what 17-18 year old kid would ever pass that up? and if the condition of the deal is he has to start at least 5 games by his sophomore season- well- that was never going to happen at Ohio State with Stroud becoming a breakout star in 2021.
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I'm talking in general,but what in the hell is this NIL?
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I'm talking in general,but what in the hell is this NIL?
Name, Image, & Likeness.
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LB Craig Young also in the portal
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LB Craig Young also in the portal
That one is a surprise. And a bummer.
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So, I guess OSU is stuck with CJ "under pressure I can't complete a pass or run" Stroud? And before the narrative of Typhon doesn't like Stroud (I do) here our some stats:
CJ vs. TTUN Stats
Total: 34 - 49 Really Good
Clean Pocket 26 - 28 ~God Like
Pressured 8 - 25 (with 4 sacks) Not Good - And this is my critique all season, he doesn't respond well under pressure.
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So, I guess OSU is stuck with CJ "under pressure I can't complete a pass or run" Stroud? And before the narrative of Typhon doesn't like Stroud (I do) here our some stats:
CJ vs. TTUN Stats
Total: 34 - 49 Really Good
Clean Pocket 26 - 28 ~God Like
Pressured 8 - 25 (with 4 sacks) Not Good - And this is my critique all season, he doesn't respond well under pressure.
I disagree a bit. He's so good at getting rid of the ball quickly that he avoids a lot of pressure in the first place. All quarterbacks get worse under pressure.
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Day is a finesse coach in the Oregon mold, so his teams and players are going to be soft.
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So, I guess OSU is stuck with CJ "under pressure I can't complete a pass or run" Stroud? And before the narrative of Typhon doesn't like Stroud (I do) here our some stats:
CJ vs. TTUN Stats
Total: 34 - 49 Really Good
Clean Pocket 26 - 28 ~God Like
Pressured 8 - 25 (with 4 sacks) Not Good - And this is my critique all season, he doesn't respond well under pressure.
this might be the dumbest hot take I've ever heard. what QB does well when pressured? yeah, not many. Stroud is a legitimate future 1st round NFL Draft pick at QB. How many teams have that? Yeah, not many.
damn you OSU guys are a bunch of crazy phuckers. Lose one god damn game in the B1G and the sky is falling. Day is 33-3. He's 29-1 in the B1G. Relax.
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I disagree a bit. He's so good at getting rid of the ball quickly that he avoids a lot of pressure in the first place. All quarterbacks get worse under pressure.
you should disagree a lot. CJ Stroud is freaking really good.
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this might be the dumbest hot take I've ever heard. what QB does well when pressured? yeah, not many. Stroud is a legitimate future 1st round NFL Draft pick at QB. How many teams have that? Yeah, not many.
damn you OSU guys are a bunch of crazy phuckers. Lose one god damn game in the B1G and the sky is falling. Day is 33-3. He's 29-1 in the B1G. Relax.
Amen Brutha. I can’t even believe shit like that gets posted. By any statistical measure, which takes into account a full season, pressure situations, and all of the situation, Stroud is the highest rated quarterback in college football today.
If you assume that Ryan day will do some things to improve the run game, Stroud will only be even more dangerous.
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Amen Brutha. I can’t even believe shit like that gets posted. By any statistical measure, which takes into account a full season, pressure situations, and all of the situation, Stroud is the highest rated quarterback in college football today.
yeah...and not to mention he's only a RS Freshman lol. Like...he's going to get a hell of a lot better the more he plays and the more he practices. He's got 15 bowl practices, spring ball, and fall practices to get even better. He's got the pedigree too- he was a highly rated recruit. Kid went from unranked to 3* to damn near 5* (#42 player in the nation, #2 Pro-Style QB in the 247Composite), won the Elite 11 competition, and got every major scholarship offer under the sun. When Michigan was recruiting him, I wanted him more than any other QB they were in on.
He's WORLDS better than OMGGGG FIVE STARZZZZZ D.J. Uiagalelei- who was the #10 player in the nation and #1 Pro-Style QB in the 247Composite in the same class as Stroud. Uiagalelei legitimately sucks. I have no idea how he got that rankings. He is Christian Hackenberg-esque. Kid looks like an adonnis in t-shirts and shorts and has a freaking howitzer of a right arm so these idiots making the rankings go- YEAH- FIVE STARZZZZ- that's all it takes to play QB. Being 6'5 and having a giant arm.
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former 4* Top 100 recruit LB Brandon Jennings transferring from Maryland to....Indiana. Odd fit. Trading one dumpster fire for another. Kid was all over the map. Committed to FSU (he's from Florida and it's where his dad played) then flipped to Michigan, then on NSD flipped to Maryland.
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He's WORLDS better than OMGGGG FIVE STARZZZZZ D.J. Uiagalelei- who was the #10 player in the nation and #1 Pro-Style QB in the 247Composite in the same class as Stroud. Uiagalelei legitimately sucks. I have no idea how he got that rankings. He is Christian Hackenberg-esque. Kid looks like an adonnis in t-shirts and shorts and has a freaking howitzer of a right arm so these idiots making the rankings go- YEAH- FIVE STARZZZZ- that's all it takes to play QB. Being 6'5 and having a giant arm.
Really now?
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Really now?
yes really. He sucks.
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former Ohio State QB Quinn Ewers visiting Texas Tech. Wtf?
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That matches what I heard a couple days ago, that his most likely targets were Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and USC.
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yes really. He sucks.
Accurate. And the signs he would suck were relatively minimal. And if you'd told me two years ago, you didn't get it, sure. But playing the game at the end and not the beginning is just blathering to hear your own voice (and a lot of folks do).
Not long ago, I heard Michigan sucked with a mentally disabled coach. Now it's an embarrassment they're an underdog to the second most talented team in the country. Stuff changes, kids don't work out, even where there are many, many indicators they will.
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Accurate. And the signs he would suck were relatively minimal. And if you'd told me two years ago, you didn't get it, sure. But playing the game at the end and not the beginning is just blathering to hear your own voice (and a lot of folks do).
Not long ago, I heard Michigan sucked with a mentally disabled coach. Now it's an embarrassment they're an underdog to the second most talented team in the country. Stuff changes, kids don't work out, even where there are many, many indicators they will.
Georgia is not the second most talented team in the nation. Ohio State has more talent than Georgia. Georgia's "talent" is very overrated. Solid team though.
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stars don't lie
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stars don't lie
yeah, they kinda do sometimes. take three of Georgia's OMGEEERG FIVE STARZZZ on their offense right now. JT Daniels- not that good, can't even get on the field at two schools now (USC and Georgia), George Pickens (he's a Nico Collins clone, solid player that'll be a 3rd or 4th rd pic- but nowhere close to OMERRRRG FIVE STARZZZZ WR's like OSU/Bama have been trotting out), and Zamir White (again solid player, but nowhere near previous Georgia backs like Gurley or Chubb or the OMMMMERGG FIVE STARZZZZ Bama went on a run with like Derrick Henry and Najee Harris or even OSU's 5* frosh RB Henderson.)
Most of Georgia's OMMMERRRG FIVE STARZZZ have been on defense at DT and ILB, and they've lost a couple of their OMERRGG FIVE STARZZ pass rushers to the law (Anderson) and a transfer (Cox to UF) and the OMMMMEGGG FIVE STARZZZ pass rusher they do have- Nolan Smith- has been basically a bust who stinks at football- and their OMMMERGGG FIVE STARZZZ CB Kelee Ringo is looking like a dud that doesn't have the hips or man skills to play CB and should probably move to safety.
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https://twitter.com/ZachOsterman/status/1467660349730168836?t=A3XALGtu7uJRmzB9G19o-g&s=19
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Dag didn't realize there was still life left in Penix
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Dag didn't realize there was still life left in Penix
He's more machine than man now
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Kentucky just got a decomit from the portal
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Just when you thought he was done, he rises again
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former 5* Oklahoma WR Jadon Haselwood transfers to Arkansas. Haslewood has been a pretty big bust so far.
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Sounds like MSU is the favorite for DE Khris Bogle, who is transferring from Florida
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https://mobile.twitter.com/buckeyeboy20/status/1467299289626038276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1467299289626038276%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elevenwarriors.com%2Fskull-sessions%2F2021%2F12%2F127729%2Fohio-state-football-buckeyes-still-support-jameson-williams-jaxon-smith-njigba-is-ohio-states-best-and-buckeyes-pursue
Chris Olave and Gee Scott in front row to support Jameson Williams at SEC championship game. Pretty cool.
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UVA Center Olusegun Oluwatimi has entered the transfer portal. He was one of three finalists for the 2021 Remington Trophy given to the nations top center.
Uhh......yes please. Come to Michigan son.
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(https://i.imgur.com/JM1IslQ.png)
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https://virginiasports.com/news/2021/12/06/oluwatimi-named-a-finalist-for-the-rimington-trophy/
Damn started 32 straight games,stars be damned come to C-Bus.
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/12/127734/ohio-state-reportedly-no-longer-considering-five-star-transfer-cornerback-eli-ricks
Interesting approach. Can’t say I disagree.
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/12/127734/ohio-state-reportedly-no-longer-considering-five-star-transfer-cornerback-eli-ricks
Interesting approach. Can’t say I disagree.
Me personally, I wouldn’t turn down a 1st round talent unless he was a shithead. Maybe Ricks is just that. Who knows?
Sounds like Bama isn’t that interested in him either. Might be going to USC by default. He is from LA and went to Mater Dei, which is basically just a USC feeder school.
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(https://i.imgur.com/JM1IslQ.png)
Yeah, the ‘crootin rankens are virtually worthless at the LOS positions and are a complete toss up at positions that require high football iq, instinct, and discipline like QB or Safety or even LB.
I think the rankings are basically only useful for WR, CB, RB, and pass rushers. Maybe TE as well. Those seem to be the positions that typically have highest predictive success rates- because those positions are very much in large part measurable/athleticism based.
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MSU picks up UNLV LB Jacoby Windmon, who was 1st team all MWC, and was choosing between MSU and Texas
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Good on Mel,Spartans in the mix always livens things up
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yeah, they kinda do sometimes.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_IR8UVWkAE6A9-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_IR8UVWkAE6A9-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
LMAO. I love this. And that show.
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MSU also picks up Mississippi State LB Aaron Brule. Kiper had him as a 2nd round pick going into the year, but he didn't have as good a 2021.
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Michigan hosting two transfer portal targets this weekend, former UVA center Victor Oluwatimi- who was a finalist for the Rimington Trophy and was the 2nd highest graded center by PFF in the entire P5 behind only Iowa's Tyler Linderbaum.
They are also hosting former Arizona State RB DeaMonte Trayanum, a former 4*, top 300 overall recruit in the 247Composite rankings in the 2020 class from Akron, OH.
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Ryan Watts, Corner from Texas, enters portal from OSU.
Started first game and played 49 snaps but only 73 the rest of the season.
Lots of dudes in the portal now.
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Ryan Watts, Corner from Texas, enters portal from OSU.
Started first game and played 49 snaps but only 73 the rest of the season.
Lots of dudes in the portal now.
everyone hits the portal now if they aren't starting fast enough or are unhappy for any reason. kinda sucks, but is what it is.
my biggest fear is losing JJ McCarthy to the portal. Because he burned his redshirt, Harbaugh almost has to start him next year or risk losing him.
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Nebraska’s new offensive coordinator, Mark Whipple, is on a mission to find a QB in the transfer portal in the days and weeks ahead.
A look at some candidates:
Myles Brennan (LSU)
Brennan reportedly received a visit from Nebraska staffers Mickey Joseph and Bill Busch — both recently employed by LSU — on Wednesday.
The QB announced his transfer in early November after suffering an arm injury before fall camp that kept him out for the 2021 season. He also missed most of the 2020 campaign after tearing abdominal muscles in the third game against Missouri while throwing for 430 yards and four touchdowns.
The 6-foot-4 Mississippi native has completed 60% of his passes from 2019 and 2020 combined, tossing for 1,465 yards with 12 scores and four interceptions across those 11 games. He hasn’t been a rushing threat but offers the accuracy and headiness to run Whipple’s blend of West Coast and spread concepts.
The 22-year-old Brennan in theory has two years of eligibility remaining if he receives a medical redshirt from his injury this fall.
Max Johnson (LSU)
Another former Tiger, Johnson entered the portal this week after emerging as a true playmaker during the season’s home stretch.
The former four-star prospect from Georgia still has three years of eligibility left but also has experience — he’s completed nearly 60% of his passes across 18 games for 3,883 yards and a 35-to-7 touchdown-to-interception ratio.
A bonus to landing Johnson could be consideration from his brother, Jake, one of the top tight end prospects in the 2022 class who decommitted from LSU this week. They are sons of former NFL QB Brad Johnson.
Chubba Purdy (Florida State)
Whipple visited Purdy at his home Monday while still with Pitt — player and coach were already well acquainted after Whipple offered him during the 2020 cycle.
The former four-star player from Arizona couldn’t stay healthy in Tallahassee, with a camp collarbone injury in 2020 that kept him out until November and limited his ability to compete for the starting job into 2021 behind veterans Jordan Travis and McKenzie Milton.
He’s completed 32 of 58 passes (55.2%) for 317 yards with four TDs and a pick in four career games as a reserve.
The younger brother of Iowa State quarterback Brock Purdy has four years to play four.
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Akron transfer QB Zach Gibson has canceled plans to visit Nebraska.
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Former MSU player and UW commit has flipped to Kansas. WTF... Gotta be more to the story here.
(https://i.imgur.com/8Cd0l7v.png)
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the J hawks put 57 on Texas, just need some defense
fired two defensive coaches
up & coming
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Former MSU player and UW commit has flipped to Kansas. WTF... Gotta be more to the story here.
[img width=361.81 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/8Cd0l7v.png[/img]
They got him on campus, and then realized how small he was?
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Admissions... It happens.
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Admissions... It happens.
I don't think it's that. He was recognized as a Big Ten Distinguished Scholar last season, who interned with the Detroit PD ever summer since his junior year of HS
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Nebraska received a transfer commitment from a homegrown prospect Saturday, with Omaha North graduate Kevin Williams Jr. announcing his plans to be a Husker.
Williams, a 2017 North graduate, has previously been at FCS program Northern Colorado and still has two years to contribute to Nebraska's offensive line, led by new coach Donovan Raiola.
Williams started 17 games on the interior of Northern Colorado's O-line even as early as his redshirt freshman and sophomore seasons in 2018-19. There is some wide-open competition to be had for the Huskers on the interior of that line, with right guard Matt Sichterman not coming back for a sixth year leaving that starting space open. There's also some wondering still what Cameron Jurgens will decided to do in 2022, which could shuffle the deck further if he were to move on.
Nebraska has had at least one example of recent success with a similar transfer coming in to contribute on the O-line in relatively quick fashion, with Nouredin Nouili arriving to the program from Colorado State in 2020 and busting into the starting lineup at left guard in 2021.
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Trying to change the story on special teams, Nebraska picked up a commitment from a transfer kicker/punter who was among the visitors in Lincoln this weekend.
The Huskers had offered an opportunity to Timmy Bleekrode back on Dec. 3. On Sunday he said yes. He handled kicking and punting duties last season for Furman.
As a placekicker, Bleekrode was 15-for-18 with a long of 51 yards. As a punter, Bleekrode punted 52 times for an average of 42.15 yards per punt, with 13 being downed inside the opponent’s 20-yard line. Bleekrode was a 2021 Preseason All-Southern Conference honoree as a punter.
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Ewers sounds headed to the Longhorns
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Ewers sounds headed to the Longhorns
Well played. He originally committed to them for their class of 22. He found out that he could not collect NIL money as a high school player in Texas.
Committed to Ohio State for a year in which he knew he would never see the field but collected over $1 million. Now he’s right back where he said he was going to be, a 2022 recruit for Texas.
Can’t blame the kid for taking advantage of what’s available to him.
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Sevion Morrison, the former Husker running back who was a four-star recruit in the 2020 class, announced on Sunday he is committing to Kansas.
It was known since mid-November that Morrison was looking for a new school, with him not appearing in uniform in Nebraska's 10th game against Ohio State.
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Well played. He originally committed to them for their class of 22. He found out that he could not collect NIL money as a high school player in Texas.
Committed to Ohio State for a year in which he knew he would never see the field but collected over $1 million. Now he’s right back where he said he was going to be, a 2022 recruit for Texas.
Can’t blame the kid for taking advantage of what’s available to him.
Yup, played the system and won
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Auburn QB Bo Nix to the portal.
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Auburn QB Bo Nix to the portal.
Seems like he should go to a mid-major, rock folks, look to the NFL.
Will: go to the best place he can, struggle to beat out a talented young player, have more issues.
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Ewers could also turn out to be the next Tate Martell.
Bo Nix is what he is....he could go to a md-major and put up video game numbers, but against elite programs, he isn't good enough.
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Auburn QB Bo Nix to the portal.
And Tank Bigsby
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yikes. losing your starting QB & RB in the same off-season....well isn't ideal.
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yikes. losing your starting QB & RB in the same off-season....well isn't ideal.
He had lost the starting QB job hadn't he?
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He had lost the starting QB job hadn't he?
don't think so, believe he was hurt. the kid they were playing vs Bama was infinitely worse than Bo Nix. Not that Nix is amazing or anything....
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They were both just sort of ok this year.
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He had lost the starting QB job hadn't he?
He did for a second, then got it back.
Bo is erratic, but also dynamic. His replacement was a big, strong armed kid who was decidedly meh.
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Ewers could also turn out to be the next Tate Martell.
Bo Nix is what he is....he could go to a md-major and put up video game numbers, but against elite programs, he isn't good enough.
Whatever Ewers is, is most likely much, much better than what Texas currently has at QB. We'll find out soon because I'm about 93% certain he'll be the starter in 2022.
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Whatever Ewers is, is most likely much, much better than what Texas currently has at QB. We'll find out soon because I'm about 93% certain he'll be the starter in 2022.
Lol that's a bit of hyperbole from OAM as Ewers is way freaking bigger with a much stronger arm than Tater Tot. Ewers is legit 6'2-6'3 range, Tater is probably 5'10 being generous. And Tater was nowhere near as highly touted of a recruit as Ewers either. Tater was in the 60's overall in the 247Composite I believe, whereas Ewers reclassified from 2022 to 2021 and still stayed the #1 overall in the composite and is tied with like 4 or 5 other guys as the HIGHEST RATED RECRUIT EVVVVVAAAAAR. No seriously. 247's system has the rankings of all-time recruits and I want to say Ewers is tied with Vince Young as the highest rated QB recruit ever and with VY, Rashan Gary, Jadveon Clowney, and Robert Nkmediche as the highest rated recruit overall.
Tater Tot had obvious physical limitations. He's Kyler Murray sized without the insane speed and agility and he also has a lot less arm strength than Murray. Not a good combo. Ewers has a giant arm and plenty of size. I think odds are with Bijan Robinson to hand the ball off to and Xavier Worthy to throw the ball to that Ewers will do pretty well.
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He did for a second, then got it back.
Bo is erratic, but also dynamic. His replacement was a big, strong armed kid who was decidedly meh.
this is the correct answer. if they had a decently consistent qb on roster, bo would have been benched. but because the other guy was just as bad, might as well roll the dice with bo. imo, he's not a big loss for auburn.
tank, on the other hand, is huge loss. great rb.
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Whatever Ewers is, is most likely much, much better than what Texas currently has at QB. We'll find out soon because I'm about 93% certain he'll be the starter in 2022.
dude has the most glorious mullet i've seen in a while. rivals danny mcbride's as best since early 90s. so ugly. i love it.
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Whatever Ewers is, is most likely much, much better than what Texas currently has at QB. We'll find out soon because I'm about 93% certain he'll be the starter in 2022.
The kid has NFL written all over him.
I think he is where he belongs at Texas, and where his heart is, and I actually want to see him kick ass there. I think he will too.
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but, can he lick ass in the SEC?
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Whatever Ewers is, is most likely much, much better than what Texas currently has at QB. We'll find out soon because I'm about 93% certain he'll be the starter in 2022.
didn't get the 94% namesake approval rating, so you're saying there's a chance
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Spencer Rattler to South Carolina
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Nebraska added a key commitment to its secondary on Monday, with defensive back Tommi Hill announcing the Huskers were his school of choice.
Previously at Arizona State, Hill visited Lincoln this weekend after going in the portal on Dec. 8 after one year with the Sun Devils. He was one of ASU's more valued recruits in the 2021 class, and also a popular target of Nebraska back when he did originally pick Arizona State.
While NU didn't get him then, the relationships built no doubt paid off and the Huskers now add the 6-foot, 205-pound cornerback to the equation in Travis Fisher's secondary as Nebraska will need to replace Cam Taylor-Britt.
As the No. 228 overall prospect and No. 11 at the athlete position out of Edgewater High in Orlando, Florida, Hill was ASU's second-highest rated addition in his class behind fellow defensive back Isaiah Johnson.
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Dang. Our starting QB, Zach Calzada, hit the portal today. He wasn’t a world beater by any means, but it’s just weird that he wouldn’t wait a while to see how things shake out between him and Haynes King.
Word is he had surgery and will miss the bowl game anyways. Weird how he played such a great game against Alabama but sputtered against MSU, LSU, and Ole Miss.
I guess some team will pick up a seasoned SEC QB.
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Dang. Our starting QB, Zach Calzada, hit the portal today. He wasn’t a world beater by any means, but it’s just weird that he wouldn’t wait a while to see how things shake out between him and Haynes King.
Word is he had surgery and will miss the bowl game anyways. Weird how he played such a great game against Alabama but sputtered against MSU, LSU, and Ole Miss.
I guess some team will pick up a seasoned SEC QB.
Why would a starter want to go elsewhere
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Dang. Our starting QB, Zach Calzada, hit the portal today. He wasn’t a world beater by any means, but it’s just weird that he wouldn’t wait a while to see how things shake out between him and Haynes King.
Word is he had surgery and will miss the bowl game anyways. Weird how he played such a great game against Alabama but sputtered against MSU, LSU, and Ole Miss.
I guess some team will pick up a seasoned SEC QB.
All this means is Jimbo is crootin' a bigger fish in the portal and made clear thoughts on Zach.
(Kid has a weird game. Utterly OK at most things, but has just a cannon)
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Spencer Rattler to South Carolina
Package deal with TE Austin Stogner, who OSU very much wanted.
Tough place to win, even when Florida and Tennessee are down, but I think Beamer is doing a pretty good job there this far.
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Package deal with TE Austin Stogner, who OSU very much wanted.
Tough place to win, even when Florida and Tennessee are down, but I think Beamer is doing a pretty good job there this far.
The measure of a job well done at a place like that is Year 5 and beyond (and getting to Year 5). Still, Beamer has them feeling good, even if this year was some smoke and mirrors.
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the Penix has landed in Washington. Might be a good fit for him out there.
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FCS punter of the year Buschini joins Huskers: Making punting boring again the goal
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Just picked up their 4th transfer, DE Khris Bogle, formerly of Florida.
So we got a RB from Wisconsin, a DE from Florida, two LBs, one from Mississippi State and one from UNLV
And it's the UNLV kid I'm the most excited about
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Just picked up their 4th transfer, DE Khris Bogle, formerly of Florida.
So we got a RB from Wisconsin, a DE from Florida, two LBs, one from Mississippi State and one from UNLV
And it's the UNLV kid I'm the most excited about
seems like a dangerous thing to play the transfer portal year in and year out to try and build a program. gonna be tough to have consistent success, but maybe Mel feels like that's his best chance at evening the scales vs the 3 helmets in his division.
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I think it's more and more the normal. Andy Staples said one upper half Power 5 coach told him he will never recruit another HS QB again.
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I think it's more and more the normal. Andy Staples said one upper half Power 5 coach told him he will never recruit another HS QB again.
well, that one kinda make sense. only one QB can play at a time, and if a QB isn't playing- he's going to want to leave. which is my greatest fear with JJ McCarthy. they'll have to start him next year or they'll risk losing him. my fear is they don't start him and he leaves.
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sounds like Virginia center Victor Oluwatimi is down to Michigan, Clemson, or possibly even returning to Virginia and a decision will be announced this Friday.
Michigan is losing C Andrew Vastardis to graduation (he used his COVID year this year) and RT Andrew Steuber has accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl and will go pro and forgo trying to get a COVID 6th year.
Man being able to get this guy would be massive, slotting Oluwatimi in a C- you essentially get an upgrade (no offense to Vastardis) at the C position and you only have to replace the RT.
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former LSU CB Eli Ricks to Alabama. Sounds like Alabama missed on a couple of 5* CB targets this cycle, so they figured, hey what the hell....let's rent one for one year til he goes pro in Ricks.
I'm down for the portal, I guess. But there should be rules about transferring in division/conference.
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make ALL of them sit a season
slow this shit down
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make ALL of them sit a season
slow this shit down
I think they should not be allowed to transfer in division and that if they transfer in conference then they should have to sit 1 year.
Everything else- have at it.
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Coaches can leave whenever they want. Players should be able to do so as well.
We're way past the "student-athlete" era. Stop pretending. It's embarrassing.
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force coaches to "sit" a season as well
2 wrongs don't make a right
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Coaches can leave whenever they want. Players should be able to do so as well.
We're way past the "student-athlete" era. Stop pretending. It's embarrassing.
I pretty much agree with you, but I do think they should try and discourage in-division and in-conference transfers is all.
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Adrian Martinez to K-State
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Coaches can leave whenever they want. Players should be able to do so as well.
We're way past the "student-athlete" era. Stop pretending. It's embarrassing.
I agree then they should pay there own way to pick up and leave or to where ever they go
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Michigan homer extrodinaire but very plugged into the program dude Sam Webb saying the rimington finalist transfer from UVA Victor Oluwatimi (6'3, 310) hasn't announced yet but will be going to Michigan and it'll be announced any time within next couple weeks. If this turns out to be true, wow. That's an instant plug and play starter at center, a position that Michigan was going to have to fill with Vastardis using up all his eligibility. Honestly, not to bag on Vastardis, who was an excellent player this year, but that's almost like an upgrade.
Which means Michigan really going to have to only replace the RT spot on the OL, and that will probably come down to Trente Jones, Karson Barnhart, and Giovanni El-Hadi duking it out in a fall-camp battle.
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Coaches can leave whenever they want. Players should be able to do so as well.
We're way past the "student-athlete" era. Stop pretending. It's embarrassing.
I agree in theory, but I think it's reached a point where it's damaging the market to the point it's going to actually harm the people it's trying to help. I agree with all the NIL stuff, and I like the portal, but I think the one year sit out rule for non grad transfers is good for the sport.
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Outside linebacker Pheldarius Payne has taken his name out of the transfer portal and will remain at Nebraska
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Jack Miller headed to Florida. Would not have guessed that
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Jack Miller headed to Florida. Would not have guessed that
He is a good player- I think he will do well there.
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Outside linebacker Pheldarius Payne has taken his name out of the transfer portal and will remain at Nebraska
That name should be wherever it wants to be
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https://twitter.com/RicoBeard/status/1473387858954264579?t=3akxTbRFEMTApiy1y54u-g&s=19
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Jack Miller headed to Florida. Would not have guessed that
Last time a middling, down on it's luck SEC team took a Buckeye cast-off transfer QB he rewrote the record books and won that school a National Title. Ohio State's 4th string WR couldn't even get on the field at Ohio State so he transferred to 'Bama and has been the catalyst for them in making the playoff. Maybe the big bad SEC ain't so tough if B1G back-ups who can't get on the field in the B1G can just go down there and wind up dominating like it's nothing.
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Northern Illinois starting running back, who led the MAC in rushing yards, and was just named a freshman All-American, is in the portal.
With the NIL, the portal, and grad transfers, I think the one time transfer waiver needs to go away. IMO it's a disaster to the business model. Fans may not have skin in the game, but they are the only reason it's a profitable venture, and I think the transfer waiver is the one rule change that may legitimately kill the point of college sports. Amateurism was an excuse, but having kids commit to a program, I don't think was
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Northern Illinois starting running back, who led the MAC in rushing yards, and was just named a freshman All-American, is in the portal.
With the NIL, the portal, and grad transfers, I think the one time transfer waiver needs to go away. IMO it's a disaster to the business model. Fans may not have skin in the game, but they are the only reason it's a profitable venture, and I think the transfer waiver is the one rule change that may legitimately kill the point of college sports. Amateurism was an excuse, but having kids commit to a program, I don't think was
the transfer portal is awful for programs like that in MAC and other G5's.
More and more kids that fall through the cracks and then prove they can play at small schools will probably just continue to want to try to transfer to bigger schools and prove they can play with the best of the best.
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Northern Illinois starting running back, who led the MAC in rushing yards, and was just named a freshman All-American, is in the portal.
With the NIL, the portal, and grad transfers, I think the one time transfer waiver needs to go away. IMO it's a disaster to the business model. Fans may not have skin in the game, but they are the only reason it's a profitable venture, and I think the transfer waiver is the one rule change that may legitimately kill the point of college sports. Amateurism was an excuse, but having kids commit to a program, I don't think was
The place of an NIU in the business model is legitimately fascinating. That running back moving, presumably, up is probably good for the business model, or at least has the potential to be.
(FWIW, he was not the MAC's top rusher, he was third. Interestingly, the No. 1 guy is a third-year freshman. Will be interesting if he transfers)
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the transfer portal is awful for programs like that in MAC and other G5's.
More and more kids that fall through the cracks and then prove they can play at small schools will probably just continue to want to try to transfer to bigger schools and prove they can play with the best of the best.
But then there will be more talented reclamation projects? The only downside is more big schools will take on more of those reclamation projects, but we shall see how it flows.
I mean, the sport is built to a degree on G5s being fodder for bigger programs, and there's just about no way to change that (and people wouldn't want to if they could).
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The place of an NIU in the business model is legitimately fascinating. That running back moving, presumably, up is probably good for the business model, or at least has the potential to be.
(FWIW, he was not the MAC's top rusher, he was third. Interestingly, the No. 1 guy is a third-year freshman. Will be interesting if he transfers)
Is it? The business model also includes eyeballs on Tuesday night MACtion. I can honestly say I didn't watch a single one of those games this year. Maybe I'm the minority. College football rosters have always been unbalanced. So it's not simply the fact that there isn't parity that turns me off. The appeal of the mid major is putting all the pieces together in one year. A mismash MAC champ of former P5 guys who couldn't quite cut it, and underclassmen looking to use it as a stepping stone, meh. And I'm saying this fully aware that the best MSU player, perhaps since Charles Rogers, is a one year transfer rental.
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The combination of NIL and the wide-open transfer portal have created unprecedented changes to college football. Things are happening so rapidly now.
It remains to be seen what the long-term effect is on the sport but it is obvious that it is changing it dramatically and rapidly.
Will the “rich get richer“? Alabama for example has picked up a couple of five star players from the portal already. If yes is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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Is it? The business model also includes eyeballs on Tuesday night MACtion. I can honestly say I didn't watch a single one of those games this year. Maybe I'm the minority. College football rosters have always been unbalanced. So it's not simply the fact that there isn't parity that turns me off. The appeal of the mid major is putting all the pieces together in one year. A mismash MAC champ of former P5 guys who couldn't quite cut it, and underclassmen looking to use it as a stepping stone, meh. And I'm saying this fully aware that the best MSU player, perhaps since Charles Rogers, is a one year transfer rental.
I mean, you probably didn't not watch MACtion because of the roster mish-mash or whatnot. You don't watch it because you're busy and don't really care about Mid-Major football.
And that's just what it is. Mid-Major football is incredibly niche and TV filler. People in DeKalb most of the time don't care about mid-major football. If the kid is good enough to be better than the MAC (maybe, maybe not), it's better for the sport if he's good at IU than if he's very good at NIU. Maybe if he's GREAT, it's a different story, but the top rusher in the nation is in the MAC, and none of us even knew. (I suppose there's he risk of going up and being bad, but them's the breaks)
The flip side is that lamenting a Mid-Major which is young guys who might move up and P5 guys who couldn't cut it is a very particular taste. In truth, if a Mid-Major has that one year, and it has some names where you say, "Oh yeah, I remember him," that's probably better for the business.
I remember thinking about this with Mike Daum, former basketball stats machine at SD State. He had the chance to move up, decided to stay put, got some love for sticking with his squad. The next year, the biggest games he played in were against Memphis and Tulane. Summit League teams are barely on TV. Then SD state got upset in the conference tournament game, and he was an All-American that no one saw. It was a nice story that he stayed with his guys, but it would've been better for the sport if, assuming his 25 and 11 sort of translated, he'd been a notable player in a Big Ten front court.
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It actually has quite a bit (to me personally) that you don't tend to have mid-major stars anymore. See with basketball, those Eastern Washington brothers who stole the show in the tournament last year, now they are at Oklahoma. I get that for others, that's a good thing, because they will never watch them unless they are at Oklahoma. Hell, the lack of parity in domestic soccer leagues is comparable, and they seem to be doing just fine, so I'm probably wrong. But it legitimately does hurt my interest in a segment of FBS football that I had always consumed as much as possible. Now it's a bunch of guys I don't know, who won't be there for long, playing for nothing. If that's just a concern of me, that's fine
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It's hard to say. We can compare Steph Curry's tourney run in 2008. They went to the Elite 8, and then he returned the next year, but they lost a few important players. They ended up losing in their conference tourney and not making the tourney. It might've been more fun if he had transferred somewhere else so he could have another exciting tournament in 2009.
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well, a MAC guy that can move up to P5 and perform well is a good move
this opens a spot in the MAC that a struggling P5 player can move down and get on the field is a good move
win/win? no?
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Like I said, I'm not against it. I just don't like it personally as a fan
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I don't either
I'd make em all sit a season
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What's interesting is that IMHO this has largely been an issue between P5 and G5, not within P5 from non-helmet to helmet teams.
I.e. if you're a star at Mississippi State, do you transfer to Ohio State because it's a bigger and more prestigious helmet? We haven't really seen a lot of that IMHO.
From the G5, we see stars that may transfer to P5 or helmet schools because they've shown they can play at a higher level. Within the P5, a lot of the transfers we've seen are players who aren't getting playing time, looking for greener pastures.
The question will be whether NIL changes this... If there's a significant NIL $$$ gap between P5 stars at a non-helmet and P5 players at a helmet, it might entice players who are a star at a mid-level P5 team to jump.
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The best RB in the portal just went from Georgia Tech to Alabama
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The best RB in the portal just went from Georgia Tech to Alabama
we'll need him. likely to lose 1-2 rbs to portal ourselves.
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The best RB in the portal just went from Georgia Tech to Alabama
Wow, my take aged poorly :57:
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I think the Buckeyes have almost exclusively stolen from other P5 programs:
2019: QB Justin Fields (GA), OL Jonah Jackson (Rutger)
2020: RB Trey Sermon (OK)
2021: K Noah Ruggles (UNC), LB Palaie Gaoteote (USC)
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I think the Buckeyes have almost exclusively stolen from other P5 programs:
2019: QB Justin Fields (GA), OL Jonah Jackson (Rutger)
2020: RB Trey Sermon (OK)
2021: K Noah Ruggles (UNC), LB Palaie Gaoteote (USC)
yep, but these were all guys who weren't getting playing time at their schools looking for greener pastures, correct? which is what the portal has mostly been.
They weren't stars at their P5 schools and then said oh hey I'm going to to Ohio State because the helmet is shinier.
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Jackson was All Big Ten at Rutgers, but you could probably make that argument for the other 4.
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The portal and all the moving around because boo-hoo I'm not getting PT or i'm too big for the MAC is a net negative for the fan.
I'd limit it to programs where the HC has left. There's too many players going this way and that way and you don't know where anybody is anymore, depth-wise.
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Arizona State RB DeaMonte Trayanum transferring to the Buckeyes, though likely as a linebacker. Originally from Akron
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The portal and all the moving around because boo-hoo I'm not getting PT or i'm too big for the MAC is a net negative for the fan.
I wonder how true this is. Like, do fans like stability? Do they want to say "Hey, that guy is still there?" We know fans like a degree of movement, or at least they are ravenously interested in it.
Obviously fans dislike when their teams lose someone, though they're also good at convincing themselves the losses are just part of it.
There's also the fact that fans are, with perpetual regularity, calling for the benching of players, the playing of younger players and the firing of every sort of coach alive so they can hire every other sort of coach alive. Fan money is literally creating more instability, not less.
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I wonder how true this is. Like, do fans like stability? Do they want to say "Hey, that guy is still there?" We know fans like a degree of movement, or at least they are ravenously interested in it.
Obviously fans dislike when their teams lose someone, though they're also good at convincing themselves the losses are just part of it.
There's also the fact that fans are, with perpetual regularity, calling for the benching of players, the playing of younger players and the firing of every sort of coach alive so they can hire every other sort of coach alive. Fan money is literally creating more instability, not less.
The turnover is part of college football - at least more so than pro.
But instead of dreaming on what that great SOPH player is going to do with more playing time, you're left fretting that he's going to leave. Your good OL depth can become a weakness now.
And sure, it goes both ways, your school can gain from it, but it's just another way for the rich to get richer. Alabama's got LB depth/injury problems? That's cool, they'll just poach Tennessee's leading tackler.
And what about the players themselves? I'm a QB who got benched for a younger guy? Instead of improving and getting back on the field at my school, I'll just leave and go find playing time somewhere else where I can keep doing what I'm doing.
I understood how unfair it was that HCs could leave and players had to sit out a year, but I think the current model is a radical over-correction the other way.
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Arizona State RB DeaMonte Trayanum transferring to the Buckeyes, though likely as a linebacker. Originally from Akron
Michigan was trying to get him to come in as a RB. Kinda different to see a kid who was the 2nd string RB at a P5 school transfers over to another P5 school to switch from RB to LB. Not sure we've seen that yet. But hey, if Ohio State is going to keep bringing in converted RB's to LB'er, I'm all for it...
:)
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Maryland got a good WR from Florida in Jacob Copeland.
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Michigan was trying to get him to come in as a RB. Kinda different to see a kid who was the 2nd string RB at a P5 school transfers over to another P5 school to switch from RB to LB. Not sure we've seen that yet. But hey, if Ohio State is going to keep bringing in converted RB's to LB'er, I'm all for it...
:)
Have seen his LB film? Incredible.
That’s where Ohio State recruited him originally but he wanted to play running back and that’s the only reason he didn’t start at Ohio State which was the school he loved to begin with.
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Have seen his LB film? Incredible.
That’s where Ohio State recruited him originally but he wanted to play running back and that’s the only reason he didn’t start at Ohio State which was the school he loved to begin with.
we'll see if RB works. I'm just sayin' lol. As an idiot fan, much rather see OSU get these types of undersized transfer position switchers playing LB for the Bucks :)
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we'll see if RB works. I'm just sayin' lol. As an idiot fan, much rather see OSU get these types of undersized transfer position switchers playing LB for the Bucks :)
Heh I also enjoy OSU getting four star athletes as basically projects
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we'll see if RB works. I'm just sayin' lol. As an idiot fan, much rather see OSU get these types of undersized transfer position switchers playing LB for the Bucks :)
You bragged up Devin Bush as a great Michigan LB, who is 5’11 and 234. Drafted by the Steelers.
Trayunum is 5’11 and 235- but faster than Bush.
He may end up being a star, or never seeing the field. With Cody Simon, Tommy Eichenberg, Steele Chambers already there, and the new recruits (four and five star)CJ Hicks, Gabe Powers, and Sonny styles, they added some quality depth at the linebacker position at the very least.
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You bragged up Devin Bush as a great Michigan LB, who is 5’11 and 234. Drafted by the Steelers.
Trayunum is 5’11 and 235- but faster than Bush.
He may end up being a star, or never seeing the field. With Cody Simon, Tommy Eichenberg, Steele Chambers already there, and the new recruits (four and five star)CJ Hicks, Gabe Powers, and Sonny styles, they added some quality depth at the linebacker position at the very least.
Well Bush deserved to be bragged on, he was a great college LB'er and a top 10 nfl draft pick. Bush ran 4.43 at the combine. Looked up Trayanum's 247 profile and the verified time they have for him is 4.63. So not sure he's faster than Bush.
There are more important things for LB'ers to posses anyways than speed. Instinct and feel for the position, reading offensive formations and plays and keys and reacting instantly without thinking- high football IQ, relentless effort, and toughness much more important than speed imo. There's a huge difference between playing fast and being fast. Ray Lewis was never the fastest guy, but he was always one step ahead of the offense which allowed him to play fast.
CJ Hicks and Sonny Styles are definitely the future at the position. My guess is this guy is just a 1-year place-holder to give them breathing room until Hicks and Styles are ready. Tough to play LB'er as a true frosh.
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Well Bush deserved to be bragged on, he was a great college LB'er and a top 10 nfl draft pick. Bush ran 4.43 at the combine. Looked up Trayanum's 247 profile and the verified time they have for him is 4.63. So not sure he's faster than Bush.
There are more important things for LB'ers to posses anyways than speed. Instinct and feel for the position, reading offensive formations and plays and keys and reacting instantly without thinking- high football IQ, relentless effort, and toughness much more important than speed imo. There's a huge difference between playing fast and being fast. Ray Lewis was never the fastest guy, but he was always one step ahead of the offense which allowed him to play fast.
CJ Hicks and Sonny Styles are definitely the future at the position. My guess is this guy is just a 1-year place-holder to give them breathing room until Hicks and Styles are ready. Tough to play LB'er as a true frosh.
Likely. But again if you look at his film he was one hell of a high school linebacker and that’s what the buckeyes wanted from him in his original recruitment.
they spent the last four years before this season with the same three guys, Pete Warner, Tuff BOrland, and Baron Browning so this year‘s crop had virtually no game experience. I believe several of them will acquit themselves quite well next year especially with the new DC coming in and how he will use them. Also, Knowles use LBs a bit differently than their current shit scheme( read and react, versus attack). Tryanum is likely a great fit.
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Well Bush deserved to be bragged on, he was a great college LB'er and a top 10 nfl draft pick. Bush ran 4.43 at the combine. Looked up Trayanum's 247 profile and the verified time they have for him is 4.63. So not sure he's faster than Bush.
There are more important things for LB'ers to posses anyways than speed. Instinct and feel for the position, reading offensive formations and plays and keys and reacting instantly without thinking- high football IQ, relentless effort, and toughness much more important than speed imo. There's a huge difference between playing fast and being fast. Ray Lewis was never the fastest guy, but he was always one step ahead of the offense which allowed him to play fast.
CJ Hicks and Sonny Styles are definitely the future at the position. My guess is this guy is just a 1-year place-holder to give them breathing room until Hicks and Styles are ready. Tough to play LB'er as a true frosh.
Oh I disagree. Unless he really shows something, he probably redshirts next year and then has two or three years to play. The inside thumper who can run is something they could use. Right now he's the ninth linebacker, heck of a get to fill out the bottom of the roster.
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lol @ faster than Bush. That dude played with his hair on fire.
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Oh I disagree. Unless he really shows something, he probably redshirts next year and then has two or three years to play. The inside thumper who can run is something they could use. Right now he's the ninth linebacker, heck of a get to fill out the bottom of the roster.
If he turns out to be half of what Chris Borland was, then very good find. That is who he reminded me of coming out of HS.
Heard there were some off-field things with this kid though.
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I think Chambers has a spot locked up. Other than that, things are wide open at LB even with Simon and Eichenburg returning.
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I think Chambers has a spot locked up. Other than that, things are wide open at LB even with Simon and Eichenburg returning.
I think every spot is up for grabs - I get the sense that Knowles is going to have pretty complete control of the defense and everyone is back in audition mode. Wouldn't be surprised to see some changes in the spring.
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Virginia center and Rimington finalist Olu Oluwatimi to Michigan. Huge pick-up for the OL and teams 2022 prospects.
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Nebraska’s search for a transfer portal quarterback addition took a twist on Monday evening, as former Florida State quarterback Chubba Purdy announced on Twitter that he had received an offer from the Huskers.
The Purdy offer is notable, in part, because just days before new Nebraska offensive coordinator Mark Whipple joined the Huskers, he visited Purdy’s home in Arizona on behalf of Pitt.
Purdy visited Pitt on the final visit weekend before the early signing period, but the Panthers ended up accepting a commitment from USC transfer quarterback Kedon Slovis.
During the 2021 season, which was his redshirt freshman season, Purdy appeared in one game - against UMass - and was 5-of-5 for 98 passing yards and a pair of touchdowns. The 6-foot-2, 215-pound signal-caller also had a 5-yard rush.
As a true freshman in 2020, he appeared in three games with one start. He was 27-of-53 passing for 219 passing yards and two passing touchdowns. He also rushed 19 times for 57 yards. He was the fifth true freshman in FSU history to start at quarterback when he started at North Carolina State and was 15-of-23 passing for 181 yards with two touchdowns. He added 54 rushing yards on 12 carries that day.
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Virginia center and Rimington finalist Olu Oluwatimi to Michigan. Huge pick-up for the OL and teams 2022 prospects.
That sux i hate this portal
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Northwestern S Brandon Joseph to the portal. YES please.
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That sux i hate this portal
Apparently Virginia had 4 OL hit the portal, and 3 have already committed to other P5 schools. That's impressive
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Apparently Virginia had 4 OL hit the portal, and 3 have already committed to other P5 schools. That's impressive
:a102: course michigan got the good one :91:
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:a102: course michigan got the good one :91:
at the position of most need on the OL.
C Vastardis and RT Steuber are gone. They'll have 3 pretty experienced players battle it out at RT so should be OK there, but they were looking at playing all young guys at center next year. Won't have to do that anymore. :)
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Apparently Virginia had 4 OL hit the portal, and 3 have already committed to other P5 schools. That's impressive
none to UNL
no longer known as an O-line program
hopefully, Donovan Raiola can fix this
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Nebraska football added more depth out of the transfer portal on Sunday morning, as Oklahoma State offensive lineman Hunter Anthony announced his commitment to Nebraska.
Anthony had entered the transfer portal in December — and even visited Nebraska on the final weekend of the early visit period in December — but stayed with Oklahoma State through the Fiesta Bowl.
The 6-foot-6, 330-pound Anthony redshirted in 2018, and appeared in nine games — starting four — as a redshirt freshman during the 2019 season. That season, Anthony played both right tackle and right guard. Anthony was slated to be the starting right tackle for the Cowboys in 2020, but sustained an injury in the season-opener that cost him every game except for the regular season finale and Oklahoma State’s bowl game.
Anthony appeared as a reserve offensive lineman this year for the Cowboys, and will likely begin his Husker career at tackle, and will have two seasons of eligibility remaining.
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Minnesota was riddled with injuries this season at the RB position. Mohamed Ibrahim and Trey Potts were injured early in the season, but the Golden Gophers had players step at the position.
Most notably, Ky Thomas, the Gophers’ leading rusher this season. Thomas, on Monday morning, announced he is entering the transfer portal.
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The kid who has led Wake Forest in rushing each of the last two years, and played in front of Kenneth Walker in 2020, is now in the portal. Hopefully he see what they guy he beat out two years ago did in EL.
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The kid who has led Wake Forest in rushing each of the last two years, and played in front of Kenneth Walker in 2020, is now in the portal. Hopefully he see what they guy he beat out two years ago did in EL.
Interesting.
Good for him. College is about seeing more of the world, and he’ll get that
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Oklahoma QB Caleb Burton hitting the portal.
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Oklahoma QB Caleb Burton hitting the portal.
Burton?
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Burton?
Heh Williams. Burton about to play for the Buckeyes. Can't keep my Calebs straight.
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Minnesota was riddled with injuries this season at the RB position. Mohamed Ibrahim and Trey Potts were injured early in the season, but the Golden Gophers had players step at the position.
Most notably, Ky Thomas, the Gophers’ leading rusher this season. Thomas, on Monday morning, announced he is entering the transfer portal.
this sucks as Ky was going to play a big role going forward especially with 3 guys coming back from various injuries with no idea how successful they will be gong forward.
maybe he wants to follow former OC to the MW conference! Colorado??
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Reminds me - Jaxon Smith-Njigba, based solely on his one game in the Rose Bowl (347 yards), would be the leading receiver on the season for Colorado.
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the Ohio st games I watched ....... Nebraska and a few others, I thought Jaxon was the best of the 3 starters
I'm not wrong
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Can a player transfer every year and play for 4 different schools?
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Can a player transfer every year and play for 4 different schools?
You only get a waiver once.
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You only get a waiver once.
and if they want to transfer again they have to sit out a year?
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Correct
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and if they want to transfer again they have to sit out a year?
Unless they get their degree. Then they get another move.
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Unless they get their degree. Then they get another move.
I really dont think that will happen very much
Id bet over 50% of top players dont even graduate
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I really dont think that will happen very much
Id bet over 50% of top players dont even graduate
The math would be interesting. Obviously, a not-insignificant number of the kids don't really like school, but that's another matter.
If you're a "top" player, you're probably spending three years on campus. If you were that good, you might come in early, but that's only six semesters. You will get three numbers, but you also probably throttle back credits in the fall.
If you stick for four seasons, seven or eight semesters, three or four summers, lord you should have a degree. Granted, if you transfer, you might lose a mess of credits.
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seems there are more grad transfers than I'd expect
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I really dont think that will happen very much
Id bet over 50% of top players dont even graduate
Well what qualifies as top players? A lot of the guys who are going to use the fifth year grad transfer don't have NFL plans when they do so. It's either to get one last year somewhere where they can play, or to transfer to a better situation to showcase themselves to NFL teams. So no, I would expect most top players to not even take advantage of that rule anyway. A lot of NFL guys take that semester off to train, for what they hope to be their profession, and then a decent number of them eventually come back and finish. Every year. Year Michigan State tweets out a couple of guys who finish their playing careers in the past few years, who have now finished their degrees
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seems there are more grad transfers than I'd expect
Wonder if it just wanting to play one last season before heading into the working world.Or auditioning for the league
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Michigan LB Anthony Solomon and CB Darion Green-Warren enter the transfer portal.
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Michigan LB Anthony Solomon and CB Darion Green-Warren enter the transfer portal.
Wasn't he down to Michigan and Nebraska originally?
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Wasn't he down to Michigan and Nebraska originally?
he was a one-time USC commit I believe. He's from California, and he went to Mater Dei- a USC feeder school- until his SR year of high school when he transferred. I think USC processed him, and then he was down to Michigan and Nebraska. He started out very highly rated, top 50ish, and then continued to tumble in the ratings. He wound up as a top 200ish in the 247Composite.
I am not that surprised that Solomon transferred, he was passed up by true frosh Junior Colson and rs frosh Nikai Hill-Green for playing time. Dorian Green Warren is a bit of a surprise. He was only a rs frosh and Dax Hill is likely going pro, and there are rumors that Vincent Gray will be not be back, so a starting CB spot and a nickel spot will be open.
Wouldn't be shocked if CB Andre Seldon is the next to hit the transfer portal. He'll never play at Michigan, MacDonald and Clinkscale want CB's around 6-ft and up. Seldon is 5'8 on a good day.
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Former 4* OL out of Edina transfers back home to Minnesota from Notre Dame. Quinn Carroll
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Michigan CB Andre Seldon to the portal. Was only a matter of time.
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Michigan DB George Johnson III to the portal. Not really a shocker either.
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https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/TransferPortal/
The transfer portal is absolutely loaded. And growing by the day.
Unfortunately I think Many of these kids won’t end up on a team.
It’s fascinating to watch all this unfold and where it goes….
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And I didn’t see Rico in there….
So I guess “Ricos time was now“😂
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Okie State CB Tanner McAllister following Jim Knowles from OSU to OSU.
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Okie State CB Tanner McAllister following Jim Knowles from OSU to OSU.
Safety, correct?
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Correct. I'm guessing we'll see our secondary as CBs Brown & Burke, Safeties Hickman, McCallister and then either Proctor or Shaw. It's also possible that Williams, Ransom, or Martinez will make a jump and claim one of the safety spots.
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This is full-on free agency.
The acceleration to the end of the sport as we knew it.
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Former 4* OL out of Edina transfers back home to Minnesota from Notre Dame. Quinn Carroll
he had a knee injury early his first year at ND so he might be finally coming back to full strength. his ND coach says he excelled at getting stronger but needed more time with defenses moving and picking up blitzes
good addition for a legacy kid,
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Safety, correct?
Who knows anymore...the smarts say he will be a cover safety, mostly doing to slot coverage duties. Which sounds like a corner, unless it's a safety. In any event, 247 listed him as a four star CB in the portal rankings.
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Who knows anymore...the smarts say he will be a cover safety, mostly doing to slot coverage duties. Which sounds like a corner, unless it's a safety. In any event, 247 listed him as a four star CB in the portal rankings.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2022/01/128497/comfortability-in-jim-knowles-defense-nfl-and-national-championship-goals-brought-tanner-mccalister-to-ohio-state
Interesting that he had offers from other Big Ten schools and several SEC schools
I know they are very particular when it comes to bringing transfer portal guys with respect to culture and fit. Three time academic all big 12 graduated with a finance degree and very well spoken.
in Knowles version of 4-2-5 The cover Safety Hass to be able to cover in the slot, play deep, and stop the run. Typically not as good as a run of the Mill corner, but good in coverage and great at tackling.
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Also makes sense when you think about proctor coming back from a broken leg, and Latham ransom going out in the Rose Bowl with a fractured leg.
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Not to mention a veteran who knows the system
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Charlie Batch and EMU off the top rope
https://twitter.com/CharlieBatch16/status/1478860539606573060?t=nO4EX1Wr9AfQY6UF3TubCg&s=19
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The End.
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Not to mention a veteran who knows the system
Bingo! This more than anything will be a plus to tOSU defense. It will help having a player already familiar with Knowles's defense to help others in his position group.
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The End.
We'll continue to see some Wild Wild West stuff like that for a couple of years, but I still believe the market will eventually settle out. It'll only take a few busts of 1-year million-dollar QBs before the random boosters realize the return on their investment isn't worth it.
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We'll continue to see some Wild Wild West stuff like that for a couple of years, but I still believe the market will eventually settle out. It'll only take a few busts of 1-year million-dollar QBs before the random boosters realize the return on their investment isn't worth it.
This. If you actually look in the portal now there’s a lot of players who are very likely not to land anywhere.
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We'll continue to see some Wild Wild West stuff like that for a couple of years, but I still believe the market will eventually settle out. It'll only take a few busts of 1-year million-dollar QBs before the random boosters realize the return on their investment isn't worth it.
Yeah, this doesn't move the needle for me.
Recruits have always had different incentives to choose where they choose. This just adds a new one. To be honest I (as a fan, not speaking to player rights) HATE the transfer portal, but don't really care about the NLI stuff. If guys want to waste money on bad investments, that's America. And if the investments turn out to not be bad, then it appears the players actually cashed in on their true value. I can't oppose any of that.
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A&M isn't going to get caught with their pants down giving a car to an SMU commit again
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But utee said we didn't have a sophisticated NIL program?
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General consensus is we're behind on the NIL stuff. The Baton Rouge/Louisiana businesses haven't caught on to the new world yet. Most people familiar with Eli Ricks' departure think that not being offered an NIL deal was a big reason why he left.
Probably so, but in his particular case you also have to think he felt bait-and-switched. He signed up to play for a program that had just put together maybe the most incredible season in history. What he got was two years worth of hapless defense, a coach who had lost the locker room and was targeted by the admin, and a program that crumbled in record time. I don't like losing him, but I also can't blame him for wanting to go to Alabama, or Ohio State, or wherever he feels like his career can finish on a brighter note.
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But utee said we didn't have a sophisticated NIL program?
You don't. You have a standard-issue SEC bag program.
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I won ROTY back in 2006 and POTY in 2007. I think my achievements warrant me a lucrative partnership with cfb51.com
NIL deal or I walk.
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You don't. You have a standard-issue SEC bag program.
Isn't that exactly what NIL really is anyways?
I expected some flak after our great recruiting haul, and as long as they are following the rules as set forth I'm good with it. But I seriously doubt that we can outbid the rest of the country for the top players for long. I'm betting that whatever we did this year will soon be copied and replicated for '23.
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Isn't that exactly what NIL really is anyways?
I expected some flak after our great recruiting haul, and as long as they are following the rules as set forth I'm good with it. But I seriously doubt that we can outbid the rest of the country for the top players for long. I'm betting that whatever we did this year will soon be copied and replicated for '23.
The ags didn't do anything sophisticated. Literally just bags of cash, same as always. All of the rest of that post is just typical internet message board bulljive. There's a legitimate reason that it sounds exactly like fan fiction...
But y'all certainly handed out MORE bags of money than usual this year. Don't worry, the NCAA now has much bigger fish to fry and won't be coming after you. That's precisely why your boosters did it.
But there won't be any need to accept bags under the table going forward in a few years, the legit money over the table will dwarf it. The ags will have plenty of donors to help with that but, as you said, so will many other programs.
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Isn't that exactly what NIL really is anyways?
Well, it might be what it is, but it's not what the spirit of NIL was meant to be...
NIL was supposed to be an alternative to pay for play. It was to not limit athletes from making money outside of the school based on their fame.
Instead it's already simply becoming a pay-for-play by the boosters so it's not officially by the university.
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I won ROTY back in 2006 and POTY in 2007. I think my achievements warrant me a lucrative partnership with cfb51.com
NIL deal or I walk.
https://youtu.be/dKF8IzBmp74
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Well, it might be what it is, but it's not what the spirit of NIL was meant to be...
NIL was supposed to be an alternative to pay for play. It was to not limit athletes from making money outside of the school based on their fame.
Instead it's already simply becoming a pay-for-play by the boosters so it's not officially by the university.
I mean, sort of. A big part of the complaints about paying players directly revolved around Title IX and that it simply couldn't be done (note: I don't necessarily buy that, but it was argued). That has nothing to do at all with just people giving players money if they wish, or hiring them to do work, both of which were outlawed for no legitimate reason whatsoever.
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I mean, sort of. A big part of the complaints about paying players directly revolved around Title IX and that it simply couldn't be done (note: I don't necessarily buy that, but it was argued). That has nothing to do at all with just people giving players money if they wish, or hiring them to do work, both of which were outlawed for no legitimate reason whatsoever.
Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.
I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.
Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.
I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
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Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.
I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.
Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.
I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
I think you're assigning a spirt or intent to NIL that isn't really there. NIL is nothing more than a set of state laws and the sole purpose the state legislatures had, was that NCAA athletes were no longer to be blocked from making money, the way any other citizen could. Yes, there were ridiculous cases like college kids who were both athletes and youtubers who weren't allowed to monetize their channels, and the NIL laws address that, but I don't think the state legislators intended it to stop there. They didn't intend or even WANT limits. So I don't think they had the same intent that a fair-minded, sporting person like you, perceives there.
This booster pay-for-play was inevitable of course, and many of us commented about it on the NIL thread about a year ago, predicting that this exact thing would happen. These consequences might or might not have been unintended but they certainly were not unforeseen.
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Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.
I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.
Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.
I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
Seems like it?
It is.
Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.
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I think you're assigning a spirt or intent to NIL that isn't really there. NIL is nothing more than a set of state laws and the sole purpose the state legislatures had, was that NCAA athletes were no longer to be blocked from making money, the way any other citizen could. Yes, there were ridiculous cases like college kids who were both athletes and youtubers who weren't allowed to monetize their channels, and the NIL laws address that, but I don't think the state legislators intended it to stop there. They didn't intend or even WANT limits. So I don't think they had the same intent that a fair-minded, sporting person like you, perceives there.
This booster pay-for-play was inevitable of course, and many of us commented about it on the NIL thread about a year ago, predicting that this exact thing would happen. These consequences might or might not have been unintended but they certainly were not unforeseen.
I must have missed it, then... I could see the local West Lafayette car dealerships throwing "too much" money at some Purdue player to appear in commercials, but I figured that there would actually be a use of the NIL that would accompany the money.
I hadn't thought that we'd just have boosters creating contracts for players to play, without any even ATTEMPT to monetize based on the NIL.
Maybe I was just naive.
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The ags didn't do anything sophisticated. Literally just bags of cash, same as always. All of the rest of that post is just typical internet message board bulljive. There's a legitimate reason that it sounds exactly like fan fiction...
But y'all certainly handed out MORE bags of money than usual this year. Don't worry, the NCAA now has much bigger fish to fry and won't be coming after you. That's precisely why your boosters did it.
But there won't be any need to accept bags under the table going forward in a few years, the legit money over the table will dwarf it. The ags will have plenty of donors to help with that but, as you said, so will many other programs.
Mmmkay.
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I think you're assigning a spirt or intent to NIL that isn't really there. NIL is nothing more than a set of state laws and the sole purpose the state legislatures had, was that NCAA athletes were no longer to be blocked from making money, the way any other citizen could. Yes, there were ridiculous cases like college kids who were both athletes and youtubers who weren't allowed to monetize their channels, and the NIL laws address that, but I don't think the state legislators intended it to stop there. They didn't intend or even WANT limits. So I don't think they had the same intent that a fair-minded, sporting person like you, perceives there.
This booster pay-for-play was inevitable of course, and many of us commented about it on the NIL thread about a year ago, predicting that this exact thing would happen. These consequences might or might not have been unintended but they certainly were not unforeseen.
You're probably right, but there are other consequences taking form here in the early stages that I imagine are unintended.
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Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.
For now, maybe.
I don't think there's any guarantee or even likelihood that this will remain the case indefinitely.
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Seems like it?
It is.
Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.
Done?!
You're assuming we were competing for anything before?
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I must have missed it, then... I could see the local West Lafayette car dealerships throwing "too much" money at some Purdue player to appear in commercials, but I figured that there would actually be a use of the NIL that would accompany the money.
I hadn't thought that we'd just have boosters creating contracts for players to play, without any even ATTEMPT to monetize based on the NIL.
Maybe I was just naive.
Some of the state laws require that there be some performance or use of the NIL. That's why the one that Texas boosters set up for all offensive linemen requires appearances for charities.
But yeah, it's certainly going to end up being quite a bit more than simply Joe Tight End getting paid a little weekend party money by Big Gold Autos to shill for the latest Chevy pickups on the lot.
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Seems like it?
It is.
Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.
Yeah, if you can't even keep up with Eastern Michigan, that might be a problem.
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Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.
I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.
Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.
I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
Yes, definitely, schools didn't want to pay players due to all sorts of legal frameworks but mostly because they didn't want to pay players. But they still aren't paying players. The money that boosters would otherwise give to the school to build some new mecca of a facilty goes to the players instead. This, IMO, is good for everyone. Purdue grads aren't poor, and aren't stupid. If you want to donate money to the cause, would you rather it go to a recruit directly or to new gold plated barbells to entice recruits to come? Easy choice if you ask me.
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Are cheerleaders eligible for NIL, since it technically isn't an NCAA sanctioned "sport"?
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Seems like it?
It is.
Schools like mine and yours are done competing for anything. Nobody in Madison or West Lafayette is gonna come up with a $Mil to pay a HS recruit. But, they will do it in Columbus, the SEC, etc.
If Wisconsinites don't want to pay to participate, then that is their problem. No free lunches here. The whole system was broken because it was based in not paying people for their work, which is theft.
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Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.
I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.
Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.
I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
So it's interesting because the talent still obviously flowed to the schools with more money.
Some of that was because the boosters were paying. Some was because they built palaces and weight rooms every five years. Some that they bought big staffs with pretty recruiting assistants and whatever. Some was because you could just go buy and hold onto the best coaches.
Without NIL, it got plenty top-heavy. Maybe it gets more so, but there isn't much room on that side.
In the end, the playing field can't be leveled because they can't take Alabama and Wisconsin's money and give it to Eastern Michigan and Colorado State. Resources lean toward the top, talent too. But somehow, the spirit of competition, across an already stratified sport will continue on.
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I don't even think the NIL stuff is the biggest thing that's going to keep the cream at the top, it's the transfer portal. Alabama's a little light at LB? They poach Tennessee's best LB. OSU missed on a couple of offensive linemen and/or they need a stopgap while young guys improve? Just go take Utah's best lineman.
Achillies' heel is shrinking every season because he can just put on armored shoes with the portal.
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If Wisconsinites don't want to pay to participate, then that is their problem. No free lunches here. The whole system was broken because it was based in not paying people for their work, which is theft.
Tell it to the student with the grades paying his freight.But ya they should have allowed kids to make coin off their likeness,that way if they still could have went to their favorite schools and things would have stayed in line.The NFL have been slime balls for quite sometime,now Universities are giving the slippery slope a shot.We're not in Kansas anymore
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Tell it to the student with the grades paying his freight.But ya they should have allowed kids to make coin off their likeness,that way if they still could have went to their favorite schools and things would have stayed in line.The NFL have been slime balls for quite sometime,now Universities are giving the slippery slope a shot.We're not in Kansas anymore
I just want to reiterate-- the schools have no choice in the matter. Nor do the conferences or the NCAA.
NIL consists of a variety of state statutes, and all they did was re-grant the rights to NCAA athletes, that the NCAA had been (arguably, illegally) restricting for decades.
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Correct. Microsoft could agree to pay Baker an extra $10M per year if he joins the Seahawks next year. It's just that no one has explicitly done that, it's all advertisement related.
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Done?!
You're assuming we were competing for anything before?
Well, my school was one score away from the playoff a few years back. MSU made the playoff.
Not happening now.
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If Wisconsinites don't want to pay to participate, then that is their problem. No free lunches here. The whole system was broken because it was based in not paying people for their work, which is theft.
Stealing a scholarship is theft.
"We ain't come to play skool" and all that.
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I just want to reiterate-- the schools have no choice in the matter. Nor do the conferences or the NCAA.
Good Point and I just made the connection,but Atheletic Departments aren't shouting down the help either.This is where - IMO - the spirit of what was once the NCAA could/should sort things out and keeps some balance.Now I'm hearing someone at EMU tossed 1 million at caleb Williams
Charlie Batch offers Caleb Williams massive NIL deal to transfer to Eastern Michigan
Eastern Michigan lost its top two QBs to the transfer portal. In the NIL era, could the Eagles land Caleb Williams through a million dollar deal?
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Stealing a scholarship is theft.
"We ain't come to play skool" and all that.
How can someone steal a scholarship? You may not care if you have it, but that's not the same as stealing.
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Good Point and I just made the connection,but Atheletic Departments aren't shouting down the help either.This is where - IMO - the spirit of what was once the NCAA could/should sort things out and keeps some balance.Now I'm hearing someone at EMU tossed 1 million at caleb Williams
I understand the sentiment, I really do. But the schools can't do anything to "shout it down" or affect it in any way. They'd actually be breaking the law if they involved themselves or interfered. That's the entire point of the states codifying these statutes-- they are prohibiting the schools (and conferences, and NCAA) from being involved.
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Good Point and I just made the connection,but Atheletic Departments aren't shouting down the help either.This is where - IMO - the spirit of what was once the NCAA could/should sort things out and keeps some balance.Now I'm hearing someone at EMU tossed 1 million at caleb Williams
Charlie Batch offers Caleb Williams massive NIL deal to transfer to Eastern Michigan
Eastern Michigan lost its top two QBs to the transfer portal. In the NIL era, could the Eagles land Caleb Williams through a million dollar deal?
Yeah, I posted it a few days ago, that's what led us back down this rabbit hole
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Yeah, I posted it a few days ago, that's what led us back down this rabbit hole
Yeah we should probably move this discussion back to the NIL thread, but in cases like these, they're closely related.
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How can someone steal a scholarship? You may not care if you have it, but that's not the same as stealing.
Tell that to the person who deserves it and would love to have it.
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Well, my school was one score away from the playoff a few years back. MSU made the playoff.
Not happening now.
Big difference between getting into the playoff and being competitive, as Cincinnati learned...
As did MSU.
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Who posted here a few days ago something about Eli Ricks and Alabama backing off each other? I thought he was enrolled for spring and it was a done deal?
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Tell that to the person who deserves it and would love to have it.
Well yeah. So what do you tell the many players who deserved money and got screwed out of it?
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You tell them that was the system they played in - voluntarily.
Nobody held a gun to their head and made them sign a letter of intent to PLAY a game.
Don't like it?
Apply to be an engineering major.
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You tell them that was the system they played in - voluntarily.
Nobody held a gun to their head and made them sign a letter of intent to PLAY a game.
Don't like it?
Apply to be an engineering major.
That seems like an awfully, and I mean awfully lame excuse to steal from kids.
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That seems like an awfully, and I mean awfully lame excuse to steal from kids.
How do you feel about kids voluntarily working at age 14, for $2/hour at a grocery store? Is the grocery store stealing too? Or is the kid to be commended for wanted to do something on his/her own?
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How do you feel about kids voluntarily working at age 14, for $2/hour at a grocery store? Is the grocery store stealing too? Or is the kid to be commended for wanted to do something on his/her own?
Well, it depends. If the kid is doing work that is worth 2 bucks an hour, it isn't stealing. If the kid is doing work that is worth thousands or millions of dollars, and the grocery store more or less tricks or colludes to keep that money for themselves, then that is quite clearly morally wrong and the equivalent of theft.
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Yet the store will pay you $30/hour to do the same job, plus benefits.
Stealing my ass. It's about opportunity. Period.
My mind won't change, and yours won't either. So, let's just have a virtual Scotch and call it good.
Deal?
(https://i.imgur.com/sF7WB35.png)
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Well, it depends. If the kid is doing work that is worth 2 bucks an hour, it isn't stealing. If the kid is doing work that is worth thousands or millions of dollars, and the grocery store more or less tricks or colludes to keep that money for themselves, then that is quite clearly morally wrong and the equivalent of theft.
This is a flawed example, because it doesn't exist in the real world. Not in a market economy, at least. There is nobody doing work with thousands or millions of dollars (depends on over what time frame, obviously) and getting paid $2/hr for it, or anything remotely close to those figures. It's like saying "Yeah, but what if there were a square circle in this conversation, what then?"
I don't have a moral leg to stand on when it comes to prohibiting kids from monetizing their NIL, but that's completely separate from the question of whether they were ever being stolen from (and whether I like it or not, and think it will be disastrous for the sport). And I haven't seen a compelling argument that kids were ever being stolen from.
I don't buy the argument that colleges successfully monetized the sport, because academic curricula have effectively been monetized too, and for way longer. All these engineering and medical nerds, etc.....they're the reason why schools get ridiculous amount of grants and other forms of government-backed funds. The schools literally made billions off of academic kids and nobody ever made the argument that they were being stolen from. By the same token, we shouldn't accuse schools of stealing from kids because athletic students didn't get paid to play their amateur sports. Hell, even the REC leagues in Baton Rouge make money.....nobody ever paid me to play basketball in them when I was a kid. And nobody "stole money I earned" either.
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Yet the store will pay you $30/hour to do the same job, plus benefits.
Stealing my ass. It's about opportunity. Period.
My mind won't change, and yours won't either. So, let's just have a virtual Scotch and call it good.
Deal?
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No ice for me
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This is a flawed example, because it doesn't exist in the real world. Not in a market economy, at least. There is nobody doing work with thousands or millions of dollars (depends on over what time frame, obviously) and getting paid $2/hr for it, or anything remotely close to those figures. It's like saying "Yeah, but what if there were a square circle in this conversation, what then?"
I don't have a moral leg to stand on when it comes to prohibiting kids from monetizing their NIL, but that's completely separate from the question of whether they were ever being stolen from (and whether I like it or not, and think it will be disastrous for the sport). And I haven't seen a compelling argument that kids were ever being stolen from.
I don't buy the argument that colleges successfully monetized the sport, because academic curricula have effectively been monetized too, and for way longer. All these engineering and medical nerds, etc.....they're the reason why schools get ridiculous amount of grants and other forms of government-backed funds. The schools literally made billions off of academic kids and nobody ever made the argument that they were being stolen from. By the same token, we shouldn't accuse schools of stealing from kids because athletic students didn't get paid to play their amateur sports. Hell, even the REC leagues in Baton Rouge make money.....nobody ever paid me to play basketball in them when I was a kid. And nobody "stole money I earned" either.
Here are some Wisconsin salaries. The top six are all athletic positions, all heavily funded by the football program. You won't find a player in the database unless he worked as a tutor or custodian or something. That's stealing.
https://projects.jsonline.com/database/2021/2/university-wisconsin-professor-coach-salary-2020.html
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Well, my school was one score away from the playoff a few years back. MSU made the playoff.
Not happening now.
I would disagree with this, strongly. Both in the sense that the sky will fall and that UW would be above getting into that ring.
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You tell them that was the system they played in - voluntarily.
Nobody held a gun to their head and made them sign a letter of intent to PLAY a game.
Don't like it?
Apply to be an engineering major.
Coaches coach voluntarily. they coach a game for public schools. But somehow, they earn six to seven figures. Why? because they’re part of a massive money making machine. This is entertainment product attached to a school’s brand.
It’s all unfortunately simple. Everyone in that world lives life with a hand out. It shouldn’t surprise that people on the bottom would want to do the same.
Someone wants to give them money. They should be denied why? Some pretend morality the adults are smart enough not to abide by?
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It wasn't always a massive money making machine.
Read this book.
From Red Ink to Roses: The Turbulent Transformation of a Big Ten Program: Telander, Rick: 9780671748531: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Ink-Roses-Turbulent-Transformation/dp/067174853X)
It wasn't until ESecPN and the other networks started ponying up big coin for TV rights that CFB started making the big bucks.
And ya know what? That can go away just as fast as it came.
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It wasn't always a massive money making machine.
Read this book.
From Red Ink to Roses: The Turbulent Transformation of a Big Ten Program: Telander, Rick: 9780671748531: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Ink-Roses-Turbulent-Transformation/dp/067174853X)
It wasn't until ESecPN and the other networks started ponying up big coin for TV rights that CFB started making the big bucks.
And ya know what? That can go away just as fast as it came.
money is here, it's not ever going away.
You really think Wisconsin is going to turn down those fat ass check from the BTN, ABC/ESPN, and FOX/FS1? Lol. Fat chance.
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It wasn't always a massive money making machine.
Read this book.
From Red Ink to Roses: The Turbulent Transformation of a Big Ten Program: Telander, Rick: 9780671748531: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Ink-Roses-Turbulent-Transformation/dp/067174853X)
It wasn't until ESecPN and the other networks started ponying up big coin for TV rights that CFB started making the big bucks.
And ya know what? That can go away just as fast as it came.
Definitely true. Someone said John Cooper was making 98K when he started at OSU. But as the business took off, everyone was getting huge bumps in pay except for one group, and we all know which group that was. That's because the adults in charge got greedy, and no other reason.
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It wasn't always a massive money making machine.
Read this book.
From Red Ink to Roses: The Turbulent Transformation of a Big Ten Program: Telander, Rick: 9780671748531: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Ink-Roses-Turbulent-Transformation/dp/067174853X)
It wasn't until ESecPN and the other networks started ponying up big coin for TV rights that CFB started making the big bucks.
And ya know what? That can go away just as fast as it came.
Maybe, maybe.
That's the challenge when your most "responsible" stakeholders lived life ready to leverage the product for immediate and long term profit. Lord knows, one of the stars of that book was excellent at it.
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It wasn't always a massive money making machine.
Read this book.
From Red Ink to Roses: The Turbulent Transformation of a Big Ten Program: Telander, Rick: 9780671748531: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Ink-Roses-Turbulent-Transformation/dp/067174853X)
It wasn't until ESecPN and the other networks started ponying up big coin for TV rights that CFB started making the big bucks.
And ya know what? That can go away just as fast as it came.
Money goes away real quick when people stop watching the product...
But that doesn't seem to be an issue. Even crappy bowl games between G5 directional schools pull enough eyeballs to be worth broadcasting.
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Money goes away real quick when people stop watching the product...
But that doesn't seem to be an issue. Even crappy bowl games between G5 directional schools pull enough eyeballs to be worth broadcasting.
Add a curiosity, what would be the root cause of people not watching the product? I’m your mind, I mean.
I ask because there is this sort of interesting split between the smaller group of people with money who make a lot of the sports run, and the larger viewing public.
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Add a curiosity, what would be the root cause of people not watching the product? I’m your mind, I mean.
I ask because there is this sort of interesting split between the smaller group of people with money who make a lot of the sports run, and the larger viewing public.
I'm not saying a lot of people are going to stop watching, actually. The viewing public hasn't seemed to have a problem with the easy college football is changing so far.
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Well we know that actual stadium attendance has been declining for a couple of decades now. There are a lot of reasons for it, pricing and competition with other forms of entertainment at the top of the list. But the root of all of those problems, seems to be that college football just isn't engaging and retaining new fans at the same rate it's losing them. Younger people just aren't as interested in the sport, as we all were, when we became fanatics.
TV viersership is something else. There are more games than ever being broadcast, and although many cannibalize one another for individual ratings, the sum total of incremental viewership still seems to be increasing. There's even incremental viewership from the random Tuesday night MAACtion games that add to the total, compared to what was happening 20 years ago. That makes it hard to determine if fan interest is up, or if they're just broadcasting into a previously underserved market.
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Brandon Joseph headed to ND
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Well we know that actual stadium attendance has been declining for a couple of decades now. There are a lot of reasons for it, pricing and competition with other forms of entertainment at the top of the list. But the root of all of those problems, seems to be that college football just isn't engaging and retaining new fans at the same rate it's losing them. Younger people just aren't as interested in the sport, as we all were, when we became fanatics.
TV viersership is something else. There are more games than ever being broadcast, and although many cannibalize one another for individual ratings, the sum total of incremental viewership still seems to be increasing. There's even incremental viewership from the random Tuesday night MAACtion games that add to the total, compared to what was happening 20 years ago. That makes it hard to determine if fan interest is up, or if they're just broadcasting into a previously underserved market.
Attendance is declining because the cost of attending has went thru the roof. I can clearly remember when you couldn’t watch every game on tv, so it gave more reasons to actually go to the games. Myself I just don’t have the time, and football season falls right in between hunting season and the best fishing time of the year.
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money is here, it's not ever going away.
You really think Wisconsin is going to turn down those fat ass check from the BTN, ABC/ESPN, and FOX/FS1? Lol. Fat chance.
I would not say that.
Guys like us will watch. The key is guys like this:
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Are they gonna watch?
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Attendance is declining because the cost of attending has went thru the roof. I can clearly remember when you couldn’t watch every game on tv, so it gave more reasons to actually go to the games. Myself I just don’t have the time, and football season falls right in between hunting season and the best fishing time of the year.
I stopped going when it became a chore to go. Hotels, long drive, personal seat license, etc. It was a $25-30K/year habit, not including post-season stuff.
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I stopped going when it became a chore to go. Hotels, long drive, personal seat license, etc. It was a $25-30K/year habit, not including post-season stuff.
I think this is an interesting part of it. Schools converted passion into money. That was good business.
But it meant that younger generations saw it as just that, a business. And for the price of a nice TV, a message board login and a couple of trips to the college town that either end in a scalped ticket or a trip to a fun bar, they were getting a lot of the same experience.
Like, we're what, less than 15 years from people writing pearl-clinchingly about how a mentally handicapped UW fan rallied the "donation" for a ticket, only to learn he had not "donated" enough and was out four figures? World has changed a lot, and colleges didn't understand the behavior that built crazy fans down the road.
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Attendance is declining because the cost of attending has went thru the roof. I can clearly remember when you couldn’t watch every game on tv, so it gave more reasons to actually go to the games. Myself I just don’t have the time, and football season falls right in between hunting season and the best fishing time of the year.
Yup. Like I said, pricing, and competition with other forms of entertainment.
But youngsters will spend a fortune attending music concerts and festivals. In Austin, tickets to a handful of good shows plus ACL Festival costs quite a bit more than buying season tickets to a UT game. And they're willing to pay it.
They're choosing to do that, instead of football, because they're no longer engaging with their school and identifying with its sports teams. They also don't find the game to be as entertaining as we did, not sure why, maybe it's too violent for their delicate sensibilities? I'm half-joking there, but might be part of it.
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World has changed a lot, and colleges didn't understand the behavior that built crazy fans down the road.
Absolutely this. The schools started treating rabid fans as transactional customers, which worked fine for the finances in the short term, but the change in approach and treatment wasn't lost on the public. So those customers began treating it the same, in a purely transactional way, and instead of die-hard fans that show up even when the team is struggling, the universities get indifferent followers and empty stadiums.
I think the "rah rah" age of college football was over by the end of the 80s, and some of this was inevitable, but the greed of the schools certainly hastened it along.
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Our former AD slowly priced out the average fan over his tenure with everything from parking and ticket prices to red tape and TAF requirements. Now they want to know why butts aren't in seats. I assume he isn't/we aren't the only story like that.
But also, the culture change is real, though how it's precisely affecting the current attendance slump, I don't know. I haven't been to a game in BR since 2013 (shoutout to Erin, wherever she is, for the free tix), but the change in crowd type and attitude was noticeable and palpable compared to the aughts back to the 80's, when I first started going to games. i.e., after 5 years of a QB black hole, Mettenburger was making SEC history with OBJ and Jarvis Landry with an outstanding back in Jeremy Hill. And while seeking revenge for the previous year's Florida loss, the crowd was....well, the crowd that day was a bunch of bored housewives, far as I could tell, always on their phones, not watching the action, not cheering, generally failing to demonstrate anything I associate with a Death Valley crowd. From the conversation around me, I learned more about people's HOAs and which moms weren't pulling their weight with the middle school organized functions than anything about what was going on in the rather exciting game down on the field. It was the weirdest thing, and it signaled that LSU football had become a social event, like going to a fancy fair, something that people with money are likely to casually do, while being less of a thing that Joe Fan would give a left testicle for and scream shirtless through 30 degree weather for 3 hours. Poor Joe Fan can't afford to go to a lot of games anymore.
To Badger's point, and the people wondering about the interest moving forward, I don't even know that old school fans will reliably maintain the status quo for their part. My head is spinning from what's happening with the transfer portal, and I'm just talking about my team....one team. I can't keep track of who's staying, who's leaving, and who's coming. Massive roster upheaval and turnover is going to make it hard to lock in and really root for kids, and that's already happened to me with some guys who already transferred to LSU for a year before leaving for the NFL. They turned in great seasons, but I didn't know who they were when they hit the field, and by the time I got to know them and their game, they were gone. Add in the NIL stuff and it's just a massive free agency. I may always watch, but as far as caring anywhere as much as I used to, count me out. One of the things I loved most about college football was its amateur status, the idea that kids came mostly to represent their state, but at least that they came to represent their school, because LSU was where they chose and where they wanted to be. In the same way I've never loved the NFL because I've never felt most players truly care about the team they're on or city they're in because most guys will leave for any number of reasons, there was a representation and a brotherhood unique to cfb that attracted me. The portal and NIL, I think, are going to kill that at a rapid pace, far more than anything else that's already been done to the sport that made it less attractive.
I can't say that I won't be watching in years to come, but it also wouldn't surprise me either. I've already noticed I'm much less invested in the team the past few years. And lest anyone think that's because we sucked for two years, this was already the case in 2019 when they were on top of the world. I find myself much more attached to and sentimental about the 2003 and 2007 teams than 2019. Hell, even the 2011 one, which ended in disaster.
It would be ironic if in finally allowing student athletes to cash in their own market value, the sport imploded with lack of interest and all that money went away.
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Nebraska landed another big piece out of the transfer portal on Saturday, as LSU wide receiver transfer Trey Palmer announced his commitment to the Huskers, following Mickey Joseph from Baton Rouge to Lincoln.
Palmer announced his commitment in a social media video on Saturday.
The 6-foot, 179-pound Palmer is a former four-star prospect according to 247Sports, and will give the Huskers help at wide receiver and as a kick returner.
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https://www.athleticdirectoru.com/articles/does-college-football-have-an-attendance-problem/ (https://www.athleticdirectoru.com/articles/does-college-football-have-an-attendance-problem/)
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Yup. Like I said, pricing, and competition with other forms of entertainment.
But youngsters will spend a fortune attending music concerts and festivals. In Austin, tickets to a handful of good shows plus ACL Festival costs quite a bit more than buying season tickets to a UT game. And they're willing to pay it.
Maybe they just don't like the wine the older UT fans are picking out.
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Maybe they just don't like the wine the older UT fans are picking out.
They'll get nothing and like it.
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They'll pay money for events. Certain college football games qualify. But 5 of the 7 home games don't. That's the rub with the Big Noon Kickoff. It's clear that TV viewers don't care if a game is at noon, 3:30 or 8. I said that years ago as every good game was shoved into the same window. FOX bet that was true, and was right. Bully for them. But for attendance, with a few exceptions, they disagree. There is almost zero chance the teams push back, when the numbers tell the networks that they can crush it going unapposed.at noon.
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The future of the pricing schemes will be interesting. Either you cut seats and try to make it a bit more intimate but also upscale (basically more premium areas), or cut prices and make it more accessible.
I'm guessing the former will be the call.
The bad game thing is interesting. Good games get people in the seats, but those good games mean less happy fans somewhere at season's end. Which eventually means fired coaches. It's an interesting beast.
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The future of the pricing schemes will be interesting. Either you cut seats and try to make it a bit more intimate but also upscale (basically more premium areas), or cut prices and make it more accessible.
I'm guessing the former will be the call.
The bad game thing is interesting. Good games get people in the seats, but those good games mean less happy fans somewhere at season's end. Which eventually means fired coaches. It's an interesting beast.
It went that way with movies
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Maybe they just don't like the wine the older UT fans are picking out.
what the older UT fans are sippin
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lol @ 86K in big ole Neyland
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what the younger fans what to shotgun
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what the younger fans what to shotgun
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Nah, seltzers. Ive literally never seen a Twisted tea in thenwild
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kids in Lincoln like to shotgun the hard teas because, no fizz
shotguns smooth
I've demonstrated the proper way to shotgun w/o spilling a drop
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I've demonstrated the proper way to shotgun w/o spilling a drop
So time spent on the Links hasn't been a terrible waste
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it's definitely a waste
wouldn't call it terrible
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Around here, at tailgates and such, I mostly see the kids drinking White Claw which, as AAA mentioned, is a seltzer. All of the females drink it, and about half the males. They prefer it to beer.
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SHOTGUN!!!
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Around here, at tailgates and such, I mostly see the kids drinking White Claw which, as AAA mentioned, is a seltzer. All of the females drink it, and about half the males. They prefer it to beer.
I think I can count on one hand the number of seltzers that I have found to be particularly enjoyable (not that I’m buying them).
That said, they’re a way to get efficiently drunk, and I suppose that’s what people appreciate with them. On a tangential topic, beer is proof we can teach ourselves to consume anything. It’s pretty remarkable.
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haven't tasted a seltzer
was tricked into tryin a Zima in my youth
not going to fool me twice
I'm going to mix a triple Bloody for kickoff of the Vikings/Bears game
Bud Heavy back
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kids in Lincoln like to shotgun the hard teas because, no fizz
shotguns smooth
I've demonstrated the proper way to shotgun w/o spilling a drop
There is some way to make carbonated drinks easier to chug.....Mountain Dew goes down easier than other sodas, but I don't know why. But it's definitely different.
Not alcoholic or scientific, but it's true.
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I think I can count on one hand the number of seltzers that I have found to be particularly enjoyable (not that I’m buying them).
That said, they’re a way to get efficiently drunk, and I suppose that’s what people appreciate with them. On a tangential topic, beer is proof we can teach ourselves to consume anything. It’s pretty remarkable.
Yeah, about the same amount of calories as a light beer but I believe between 5-6% as opposed to 3.5%.
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the reason ya don't drink light beer
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Most American light beers are around 4.1-4.2% ABV. White Claw is the most popular of the seltzers and it comes in at 5% which is right around the same as the macro American lagers that are NOT light, like Bud Fat.
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same as Twisted tea - 5%
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the reason ya don't drink light beer
Exactly. IPA is the way to go.
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retch
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too many IBUs
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Yeah, about the same amount of calories as a light beer but I believe between 5-6% as opposed to 3.5%.
A part of that is they sit less heavy in the stomach which allows for faster drinking and less bloated feeling.
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I realize some of you can't appreciate IPA. The world makes white chocolate and milkshakes for your sweet tooth, so I don't feel bad for you. I'll take my 100% cacao bars, black as death coffee, and IPA and be a happy, bitter, man.
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Exactly. IPA is the way to go.
Brothers and Sisters may we have a moment of contemplation for this lost soul led astray by fraudulent formulas
I'll take my 100% black as death coffee
So there is a light at the end of the tunnel,I can see it,you're starting to climb out of the abyss,
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I realize some of you can't appreciate IPA. The world makes white chocolate and milkshakes for your sweet tooth, so I don't feel bad for you. I'll take my 100% cacao bars, black as death coffee, and IPA and be a happy, bitter, man.
As you know, IPAs were never intended to be consumed fresh. The hops were the preservative for a trans-world journey. It's like drinking a Bordeaux that's intended to age for ten years, after only ten days. It's wrong and tastes bad.
But Americans have always had crap taste when it comes to the finer things. That's okay, just leaves more good beer for me.
Amen.
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So over hopped is over the rainbow for you - have at it i'll settle for the lagers.Don't get me wrong I'll still toss back and IPA.....when there's not a Pabst around 😁
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I came looking for information about the transfer portal.
I leave in disappointment.
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Transfer portal is great
Or terrible!
Hope that helps?
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I feel better now.
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I came looking for information about the transfer portal.
I leave in disappointment.
I blame 94 even though IPAs and Single Malt have already polluted his medula he can still hijack a thread with the best of them
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I'll take my 100% black as death coffee
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I came looking for information about the transfer portal.
I leave in disappointment.
That was your first and maybe second mistake.
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I realize some of you can't appreciate IPA. The world makes white chocolate and milkshakes for your sweet tooth, so I don't feel bad for you. I'll take my 100% cacao bars, black as death coffee, and IPA and be a happy, bitter, man.
have a Guinness
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30 IBUs is enough for me
anything over that is just pushing it
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I blame 94 even though IPAs and Single Malt have already polluted his medula he can still hijack a thread with the best of them
Hey wait a second, bwar's your IPA man. I'd had my fill by about 1996.
I do love single malt though, happy to admit. Islays are my preference but I can find something to love in most of them.
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BTW I forgot to wish your BEER THREAD a Happy Birthday(2005)in the 1st week of December.Maybe you can use your inter galatic star power and drag that over here.Not getting a lot of clicks in no man's land
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Husker portal class currently hovering around the top 10
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Hah, a portal class ranking???? someone just had to do it
Did Michigan St have a top 5 portal class last season?
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Deondre Jackson, the Texas A&M running back who committed to Nebraska this week, will remain in the transfer portal because of academic issues.
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Florida's picked up four 4* guys, including the top OL in the portal from Louisiana, following Napier. So that's nice. Plus that Jack Whatever kids from the Buckeyes.
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number of stars loses it's luster after a year or two in a program and they're not getting playing time
I suppose stars is just a sign of potential and they still have potential
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number of stars loses it's luster after a year or two in a program and they're not getting playing time
I suppose stars is just a sign of potential and they still have potential
I think they're reassigned stars...but I could be wrong.
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geez, yup, as I stated above, they have protal rankings now, maybe they've had them forever
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t all comes full circle for Hunter Johnson.
Steve Wiltfong of 247Sports reported on Monday that Johnson will be returning to Clemson to conclude his college football career. The former 5-star prospect entered his name into the NCAA transfer portal after spending the past four seasons at Northwestern.
Johnson initially committed to Clemson, where he spent the 2017 season. After just one year with the Tigers, the quarterback explored his options and eventually transferred to Northwestern.
Johnson had to sit out of the 2018 season because of transfer rules but was in the mix for the starting job during both the 2019 and 2021 seasons for the Wildcats. In 2019, Northwestern brought in former Indiana quarterback Peyton Ramsey to lead the offense.
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UW picked off two players from UCLA yesterday. A WR and a CB.
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UW picked off two players from UCLA yesterday. A WR and a CB.
Not sure what to make of the receiver. Top-500 kid and tall. Hardly did a thing last year.
The corner, has legit numbers. If those translate, that's a really nice add.
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WR has Cephus' size. We don't see that in Madison a whole lot. I'll take it.
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MSU loses their highest rated recruit from last season, who they had flipped from USC originally. Only two LBs in this system, and both starters are returning, plus MSU brought in two from the portal. Guess it works both ways. A 4* isn't going to stick around more than one year if he's not in the two deep
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bama pickes up former uga wr burton, hopefully filling one of the few holes for next year bama has going into spring.
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t all comes full circle for Hunter Johnson.
Steve Wiltfong of 247Sports reported on Monday that Johnson will be returning to Clemson to conclude his college football career. The former 5-star prospect entered his name into the NCAA transfer portal after spending the past four seasons at Northwestern.
Johnson initially committed to Clemson, where he spent the 2017 season. After just one year with the Tigers, the quarterback explored his options and eventually transferred to Northwestern.
Johnson had to sit out of the 2018 season because of transfer rules but was in the mix for the starting job during both the 2019 and 2021 seasons for the Wildcats. In 2019, Northwestern brought in former Indiana quarterback Peyton Ramsey to lead the offense.
that is crazy lmao. oh and he sucks.
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bama pickes up former uga wr burton, hopefully filling one of the few holes for next year bama has going into spring.
wtf? Burton was only a true sophomore and I believe he was the second leading WR on the entire team. He had a big showing in the playoffs as well. dude was a key contributor on a national champion and is jumping ship to Bama. F this transfer portal crap.
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Transfer portal mixes nicely with NIL promises.
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Nebraska’s class of transfers has a No. 6 national ranking per 247Sports
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/TransferTeamRankings/ (https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/TransferTeamRankings/)
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Hmm.
Wisconsin is not on that list of rankings, despite having 5 transfers incoming.
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Hmm.
Wisconsin is not on that list of rankings, despite having 5 transfers incoming.
Yeah, they aren't even included.
And Nebraska is #1 in the Big Ten, but essentially just due to having so many. #7 out of 12 listed in terms of average rank
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I stopped looking for them when I got down to the FCS schools. I know they are ranked higher than non-existent.
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I stopped looking for them when I got down to the FCS schools. I know they are ranked higher than non-existent.
You can sort by conference, and they aren't there
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Yep, I did that too.
Iowa is also missing.
Maybe UW and Iowa are leaving for the MAC.
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Reports out that Caleb Williams told Wisconsin he’ll transfer there.
I’m very confused and got nothing.
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Reports out that Caleb Williams told Wisconsin he’ll transfer there.
I’m very confused and got nothing.
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Worked for Russell Wilson?
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Worked for Russell Wilson?
I will never not be astounded that NC State ran off Russell Wilson so they could play Mike Glennon
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Russell is a friend of the family. Bobby Engram's kid went to HS with him, and is on the team as a CB. Family friends too.
IF this really happens, and I think it's likely, I think I'd look for Graham Mertz to transfer.
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On3 (I think the 247 guys started it, and they employ Ivan Maisel), saying it's happening
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Yeah, On3 was started by the guy who used to own 247. They will probably replace ESPN in the 247 composite too. ESPN sucks on recruiting.
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Russell is a friend of the family. Bobby Engram's kid went to HS with him, and is on the team as a CB. Family friends too.
IF this really happens, and I think it's likely, I think I'd look for Graham Mertz to transfer.
Bob's College of Knowledge needs a QB. Wiscy with some dynamic quarterback play is a real playoff contender.
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On3 (I think the 247 guys started it, and they employ Ivan Maisel), saying it's happening
That site is loading up on good talent
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I have to imagine UW would appear in the transfer rankings if they land this kid.
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Bob's College of Knowledge needs a QB. Wiscy with some dynamic quarterback play is a real playoff contender.
I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself...
Wisconsin with some dynamic QB play might be a CFP participant, but I think they're nowhere near being a contender, when it comes to top-to-bottom talent level.
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I will never not be astounded that NC State ran off Russell Wilson so they could play Mike Glennon
Traded a 4th rounder for a 3rd rounder, straight up
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OC Brian Greene, who already has his masters from WSU, taking an official visit to MSU. We need all the upperclassmen OL we can get
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OC Brian Greene, who already has his masters from WSU, taking an official visit to MSU. We need all the upperclassmen OL we can get
New coordinator in the portal? Wild times.
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This is absolutely killing G5 programs.
I've started creating many for the 2021 season for Whoa Nellie, and I'd say more than half of the G5 players with big FR seasons immediately went into the portal.
It's gross.
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This is absolutely killing G5 programs.
I've started creating many for the 2021 season for Whoa Nellie, and I'd say more than half of the G5 players with big FR seasons immediately went into the portal.
It's gross.
I’m kind of interested, who’s on the list?
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On3 (I think the 247 guys started it, and they employ Ivan Maisel), saying it's happening
shannon terry (bama fan, how i know of him) was co-founder for rivals and founder of 247. has a lot of ideas and ambition for that industry. good guy.
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The Sun Belt FR of the Year, Montrell Johnson is transferring to Florida.
Central Michigan's best offensive player is transferring.
2-time All-AAC DT Naylor transfers from Tulsa to Baylor.
Louisiana's top 2 OL are leaving.
Western KY losing its 1st-team All-conference CB
WKU is also losing their top returning WR, leaving for Penn St as well as their all-conference OT.
FIU's top OL goes to LSU after his FR season.
Marshall's QB is going to VT.
UTEP's leading WR the past 3 seasons left El Paso for Arizona.
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Put yourself in a G5 HC's shoes for a moment. You already had to worry about normal transfers of successful players, especially grad transfers. That's one thing. But when you have a great player, he can just leave whenever now. And if you have a young player who excels, he's vastly more likely to leave now, so you have nothing to build your program around. No foundation. No excitement for that big bump next year if these other pieces fit just right.
They're officially a minor league now. Yet we'll go on, for however long, living the lie that they aren't. Because....reasons.
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The above is without really looking deeply into it. It's the fast-n-easy examples. And it's only the beginning.
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The Sun Belt FR of the Year, Montrell Johnson is transferring to Florida.
Central Michigan's best offensive player is transferring.
2-time All-AAC DT Naylor transfers from Tulsa to Baylor.
Louisiana's top 2 OL are leaving.
Western KY losing its 1st-team All-conference CB
WKU is also losing their top returning WR, leaving for Penn St as well as their all-conference OT.
FIU's top OL goes to LSU after his FR season.
Marshall's QB is going to VT.
UTEP's leading WR the past 3 seasons left El Paso for Arizona.
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Put yourself in a G5 HC's shoes for a moment. You already had to worry about normal transfers of successful players, especially grad transfers. That's one thing. But when you have a great player, he can just leave whenever now. And if you have a young player who excels, he's vastly more likely to leave now, so you have nothing to build your program around. No foundation. No excitement for that big bump next year if these other pieces fit just right.
They're officially a minor league now. Yet we'll go on, for however long, living the lie that they aren't. Because....reasons.
Pretty compelling point and evidence. Hard to feel different. Something sad about it.
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College football is now akin to the Yankees and Dodgers scheduling the Birmingham Barons and Toledo Mud Hens for 20 games a season.
Before the transfer portal, it was akin to Yankees and Dodgers vs the Pirates or Orioles. That was bad enough.
They're not just superior in every way, but they also get to pick and choose which players to take and suit up for them.
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The Sun Belt FR of the Year, Montrell Johnson is transferring to Florida.
Central Michigan's best offensive player is transferring.
2-time All-AAC DT Naylor transfers from Tulsa to Baylor.
Louisiana's top 2 OL are leaving.
Western KY losing its 1st-team All-conference CB
WKU is also losing their top returning WR, leaving for Penn St as well as their all-conference OT.
FIU's top OL goes to LSU after his FR season.
Marshall's QB is going to VT.
UTEP's leading WR the past 3 seasons left El Paso for Arizona.
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Put yourself in a G5 HC's shoes for a moment. You already had to worry about normal transfers of successful players, especially grad transfers. That's one thing. But when you have a great player, he can just leave whenever now. And if you have a young player who excels, he's vastly more likely to leave now, so you have nothing to build your program around. No foundation. No excitement for that big bump next year if these other pieces fit just right.
They're officially a minor league now. Yet we'll go on, for however long, living the lie that they aren't. Because....reasons.
I assume you mean best defensive player from CMU, or another school, as their best offensive player is definitely staying. And you mean Player from Tulsa.
I find the placement of G5 funny in the minds of people like yourself. You've told us these have nots are basically high school teams. You've said it's just and right that they never play for titles. You've said that if they face the best, they'll be reduced to weeping puddles, lamenting their lack of masculinity. But now ... now it's just a travesty that they don't want to be on those teams. That they want to play at a level where they win titles? Where they're not on "high school" teams? And those kids are totally in demand on that higher level? It's goofy.
I'll say this, I don't care about G5 HCs when it comes to the player angle. Their whole goal is to leave all these kids. That's the mission. But here's the thing, I actually care about G5 football. I watch a good bit of it. I respect it and think about it more than most. But it is second-tier and always will be. This sport is unfair. Lower level success means a rebuild when some P5 disaster needs an infusion of hope. Florida's not sharing resources with FIU. Even wins head up the food chain, as three games against G5s make P5 coaches look better. But the last stand is the players? Their coaches' jobs are to move to something bigger, but they're trapped or it's "gross"? The onus of a rebuild is on them? A guy like Player gives four years to a school, but it's wrong for him to want a bigger stage in his hometown.
They've always in practice been a minor league, a feeder system. They have moments when a few teams make a little noise, but the ceiling is always there. The beauty is, it'll keep on keeping on in that understated way it always did. For every kid who moves up, some will move down and suddenly star, and the product will keep being what it is.
Edit: "Before the transfer portal, it was akin to Yankees and Dodgers vs the Pirates or Orioles. That was bad enough."
You've told us the difference is high school and college teams, but now the Yankees-Pirates is that wide. This is ... strained at best.
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I assume you mean best defensive player from CMU, or another school, as their best offensive player is definitely staying. And you mean Player from Tulsa.
I find the placement of G5 funny in the minds of people like yourself. You've told us these have nots are basically high school teams. You've said it's just and right that they never play for titles. You've said that if they face the best, they'll be reduced to weeping puddles, lamenting their lack of masculinity. But now ... now it's just a travesty that they don't want to be on those teams. That they want to play at a level where they win titles? Where they're not on "high school" teams? And those kids are totally in demand on that higher level? It's goofy.
I'll say this, I don't care about G5 HCs when it comes to the player angle. Their whole goal is to leave all these kids. That's the mission. But here's the thing, I actually care about G5 football. I watch a good bit of it. I respect it and think about it more than most. But it is second-tier and always will be. This sport is unfair. Lower level success means a rebuild when some P5 disaster needs an infusion of hope. Florida's not sharing resources with FIU. Even wins head up the food chain, as three games against G5s make P5 coaches look better. But the last stand is the players? Their coaches' jobs are to move to something bigger, but they're trapped or it's "gross"? The onus of a rebuild is on them? A guy like Player gives four years to a school, but it's wrong for him to want a bigger stage in his hometown.
They've always in practice been a minor league, a feeder system. They have moments when a few teams make a little noise, but the ceiling is always there. The beauty is, it'll keep on keeping on in that understated way it always did. For every kid who moves up, some will move down and suddenly star, and the product will keep being what it is.
Edit: "Before the transfer portal, it was akin to Yankees and Dodgers vs the Pirates or Orioles. That was bad enough."
You've told us the difference is high school and college teams, but now the Yankees-Pirates is that wide. This is ... strained at best.
You're so eager to say I'm wrong that you're missing the point.
But I literally have the time to spell things out for you.
a - G5 teams play "high school schedules" is a phrase to convey that their schedules are weak.
b - P5 teams poaching the top X% of G5 players doesn't somehow equate that G5 teams are any better than I've suggested they are. What good is 2 good players when they're facing 20?
c - The baseball team reference is sound. The Dodgers won 106 games last year. They were elite. The Orioles lost 110. Their ineptness was more severe than the Dodgers' greatness. It's as far apart as it gets. But somehow, because you want me to be wrong, it's not compelling enough for you. Sigh.
Don't bother retorting, I don't care enough to spend any more time on an disingenuous antagonist.
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G5 will lose their stars, but P5 bench warmers will fill those slots.
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You're so eager to say I'm wrong that you're missing the point.
But I literally have the time to spell things out for you.
a - G5 teams play "high school schedules" is a phrase to convey that their schedules are weak.
b - P5 teams poaching the top X% of G5 players doesn't somehow equate that G5 teams are any better than I've suggested they are. What good is 2 good players when they're facing 20?
c - The baseball team reference is sound. The Dodgers won 106 games last year. They were elite. The Orioles lost 110. Their ineptness was more severe than the Dodgers' greatness. It's as far apart as it gets. But somehow, because you want me to be wrong, it's not compelling enough for you. Sigh.
Don't bother retorting, I don't care enough to spend any more time on an disingenuous antagonist.
The disingenuous antagonist? Maybe an antagonist, hardly disingenuous.
For a decade I've heard about how G5 is the JV of the JV. And now it's "gross" if they're good enough to play varsity and do. And I'm just a guy who actually likes and respects mid-major football, even lived in a mid-major town and saw the grind up close. Because of that, I know the play, and I'm not gonna ask the kids to carry the burden of the fantasy of a lot of fans who for the most part ignore or look down on the product.
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You're right, Tulsa is on par with Oklahoma. They're equally great, equally talented, and play the same difficulty in schedule.
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I wonder if it would to have transfers meet the academic requirements for the general student body before admission.
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You're right, Tulsa is on par with Oklahoma. They're equally great, equally talented, and play the same difficulty in schedule.
Never said they were. Kind of explicitly said they weren’t.
But I also don’t find it gross if someone wants to transfer from Tulsa to Oklahoma if they’re good enough to play for Oklahoma. Boo hoo Philip Montgomery, I guess.
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I wonder if it would to have transfers meet the academic requirements for the general student body before admission.
It’s been a minute since I did all that, but if I recall correctly, it tended to be easier to get in as a transfer.
Now if your transcript as a smoking crater, that in itself is a problem, and apparently one that has limited some transfers (and sometimes good students are stoped too). The NCAA requires a certain amount of progress toward a degree, and it can be tricky if you lose a bunch of credits that don’t transfer over.
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Almost all schools it's substantially easier to get in as a transfer, athlete or not. My brother had a friend, who didn't get in anywhere. Did a semester at community college, transferred to WMU for spring semester, transferred to MSU for his sophomore year, then transferred to UM did 2.5 years there, got his degree.
MSU is notoriously irritating about what credits they do and don't accept. That was something I recall from the 90s, and then I personally experienced it. I don't think it typically plays into admissions, but I do know MSU had a JUCO OL commit who wasn't admitted because MSU rejected so many of his credits, that they didn't seem him eligible to transfer, so he wound up going to Purdue.
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Of course, it was a long time ago, but I did not have an easy time transferring into UW. I had my AS degree with a 3.85 GPA, but of course they wanted test scores and even went back to my HS grades, which were 3.5+/- I think.
Initially denied, my professor went to bat for me, and then I got in a few months later.
Maybe it was because I was in engineering??
Don't know. That was a stressful time, playing that waiting game.
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I didn't initially get into Florida, but the College of Ed had a spot you had to write in to be accepted in. I didn't have any sob story, and I wasn't sure if I should write something safe and professional or get super passionate and let it fly.
I let it fly and got in.
I have no idea how many others applied for that spot, but I was proud of myself for being a little risky and proud of them for not just choosing the biggest sob story.
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I got into MSU as a transfer easily. But I had to travel up twice from Bloomington as a college student, on my own dime, to interview, to get into the honors college. And then once I got in, while they accepted all of my credits, a good deal of them transferred in as general credit. So I had to take between 18 and 20 credits every semester to graduate on schedule, just because of all of the requirements I had to fulfill.
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Also sounds like MSU is getting Illinois' all time leader in TDs among TEs...who I've never actually heard of?
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Also sounds like MSU is getting Illinois' all time leader in TDs among TEs...who I've never actually heard of?
I wonder how many of us could name 20 non-QB Illinois players.
Butkus, Howard Griffith, that LB trio......uhhh
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I’m not sure it’s really going to affect the G5 programs all that much. They’ll lose some good players sure. They’ll probably gain some, former 4* players who couldn’t see the field at the Alabama’s and Oklahoma’s of the world. A&M just lost a RB to temple. I never even heard of him.
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I’m not sure it’s really going to affect the G5 programs all that much. They’ll lose some good players sure. They’ll probably gain some, former 4* players who couldn’t see the field at the Alabama’s and Oklahoma’s of the world. A&M just lost a RB to temple. I never even heard of him.
That's just it, the players on elite teams not getting playing time are transferring to the struggling P5 programs. I honestly don't know what Temple is at the moment, but if I'm not getting playing time at OSU and I'm from Philly, you bet your ass I'm contacting Maryland, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, etc....and IF they don't have room or don't want me, THEN I'll be contacting G5 places.
It's trickling down, but it doesn't trickle straight from Tuscaloosa to Toledo, it visits Knoxville first, then Morgantown, and then Toledo.
*And if it's not happening yet, this is how it will be IF things stay how they are. I doubt they will.
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I feel like we don't even need to delve into the divide between the power 5 and the group of five. If you like there being two to three legitimate national contenders every year, that are largely the same teams, then this just exacerbates it. And good for those teams. Everyone is applauding how well Michigan State did in the portal this year. And they turned themselves from a 7-5 team, to a 10-2 team. And that is legitimately their ceiling in the current structure. Their ceiling is either getting destroyed in the CFP or winning a top tier bowl game that every NFL prospect opts out of.
I honestly don't understand at this point any argument against scrapping the bowls, and just having a 64 team tournament. Either the best couple teams will continue to dominate, and nothing will change, or they won't, and we will have a national champion who might not be the best team, but we have a legitimately better postseason
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A way to fix this specific problem isn't difficult to identify, it just won't be implemented. That's the problem.
64 schools divided into 8 conferences (or 4, it doesn't much matter), all with an equal path at the NC
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limiting scholarships down to something like 65, with the understanding it may decrease further in the future. Let the other scholarships go to other sports so the net doesn't change for a university.
But it won't happen, so who cares.
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Hell, just make every scholarship count against your number for 4 years, whether they stay or not, for whatever reason.
And then beyond 4 years, any kid who started at your school, doesn't count against it
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The backups love that plan, lol.
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Actually the biggest downside is to G5 teams who exclusively lose guys to the portal. It only cuts down on P5 to P5 transfers
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Just watching, feels like NIL plus the portal is a net plus for the havenots of the world. Jackson State got two top 100 commits. TAMU signed the best class ever. It's not whether the Bammers and Buckeyes have advantages, it's the amount of advantages they have.
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Jackson State signed those guys for precisely 1 reason: Deion Sanders.
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Jackson State signed those guys for precisely 1 reason: Deion Sanders.
Well, two reasons, Deion Sanders AND they can get paid while playing wherever they want.
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The game is being burned to the ground.
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Just watching, feels like NIL plus the portal is a net plus for the havenots of the world. Jackson State got two top 100 commits. TAMU signed the best class ever. It's not whether the Bammers and Buckeyes have advantages, it's the amount of advantages they have.
Jackson State is an outlier and will remain an outlier. There's no way that the HBCUs or other FCS-and-below schools can compete on an NIL basis as a whole.
The same is true of G5. There may be a couple outlier programs that end up with outsized NIL value, but for the most part they're still going to be second-tier to even bad P5 programs on the money aspect.
Whether TAMU is an outlier remains to be seen. Within P5, I don't think we know whether NIL is going to be a bigger advantage to the helmets, or dilute their advantage to the rest of the P5, overall. If boosters just start paying everyone a base NIL salary, a la Texas, and the stars make bank on top of that, it's gonna be hard for mid-level P5 teams to compete.
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Jackson State is an outlier and will remain an outlier. There's no way that the HBCUs or other FCS-and-below schools can compete on an NIL basis as a whole.
I mean, Alabama is an outlier too.
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I mean, Alabama is an outlier too.
Well, yes. And that's why I said, in the paragraphs you didn't quote, how G5 programs--who are generally on a higher tier of competition than FCS and below (where most HBCU reside), will still be second-tier to "even bad P5 programs".
You said NIL is "an advantage for the havenots of the world", using Jackson State as one of your two examples. I think the point is that NIL is an advantage for any school that can leverage the star power of someone like Deion Sanders, and not generally for havenots.
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Well, yes. And that's why I said, in the paragraphs you didn't quote, how G5 programs--who are generally on a higher tier of competition than FCS and below (where most HBCU reside), will still be second-tier to "even bad P5 programs".
You said NIL is "an advantage for the havenots of the world", using Jackson State as one of your two examples. I think the point is that NIL is an advantage for any school that can leverage the star power of someone like Deion Sanders, and not generally for havenots.
But that's the whole point! A kid can go play for Deion Sanders, or whoever he wants, and still get paid. Before, there was little point to a kid's decision besides trying to play for the best team. Now, playing for the best team is still a big factor, but not the only factor and maybe not even the biggest factor.
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Jackson State signed those guys for precisely 1 reason: Deion Sanders.
An interesting angle here, if NIL were not in place, the NCAA would be rolling down to Jackson to bury Sanders.
So it does remove the cloud when a non-traditional recruiting power lands good kids.
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My first thought about Travis Hunte going to Jackson State.....well my FIRST thought was "Haha, FSU sucks!"
But my 2nd thought was....that kid is going to be bored, if he's actually that good. Teams won't even throw his way and he's going to have painfully little highlight film to post on his instagram stories or whatever.
And btw, if you look at Jackson State's overall recruiting, it's 115th. Certainly punching above their weight, but they're still just Jackson State. Let's not get carried away here.
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My first thought about Travis Hunte going to Jackson State.....well my FIRST thought was "Haha, FSU sucks!"
But my 2nd thought was....that kid is going to be bored, if he's actually that good. Teams won't even throw his way and he's going to have painfully little highlight film to post on his instagram stories or whatever.
And btw, if you look at Jackson State's overall recruiting, it's 115th. Certainly punching above their weight, but they're still just Jackson State. Let's not get carried away here.
They only have 6 commits as recruits. But they also have a bunch of transfers, including guys from TAMU and Miami.
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I guess the Big 12 should offer them a spot, huh?
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MSU adds RB Jarek Broussard from Colorado, who was.Pac 12 Offensive POTY in 2020
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AA middle blocker Kaitlyn Hord transfers to Nebraska. Uh, wrong thread?
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Middle guard? Forearm pads?
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I guess the Big 12 should offer them a spot, huh?
Not the worst idea
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MSU adds RB Jarek Broussard from Colorado, who was.Pac 12 Offensive POTY in 2020
Stealing this from a badger‘s insider, but Jalen Burger must be thrilled
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Stealing this from a badger‘s insider, but Jalen Burger must be thrilled
He seems to be fine with it. MSU was still openly recruiting HS RBs, because they hadn't landed one yet. The plan was always to pick up 2, either via HS or the portal.
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MSU also adds a TE from Illinois, who I've never heard of, but is apparently the school's all time leader in TDs among TE
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Stealing this from a badger‘s insider, but Jalen Burger must be thrilled
Hopefully he learned from his stunts in Madison. We'll see.
Is he enrolled at MSU?
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MSU also adds a TE from Illinois, who I've never heard of, but is apparently the school's all time leader in TDs among TE
That seems to just highlight something not very nice about Illinois tight ends.
his record is 11 in 44 games. He’s never had more than four in a season.
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Caleb Williams to USC.
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MSU loses their highest rated recruit from last season, who they had flipped from USC originally. Only two LBs in this system, and both starters are returning, plus MSU brought in two from the portal. Guess it works both ways. A 4* isn't going to stick around more than one year if he's not in the two deep
And now he's back out of the portal. Best way to boost your own portal rankings is to let your 4* freshmen go into it, and then re-commit to you 2 weeks later
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Not the strongest endorsement of the roster MD left behind, this not even counting the guys from last year. Have to be at 20 kids to G5 or lower schools
https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1488597366148059150?s=20&t=XbbtTue3LDNgS1-Be8yfpw
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AA middle blocker Kaitlyn Hord transfers to Nebraska. Uh, wrong thread?
I found it!
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All Big Ten schools except Iowa* took advantage of the transfer portal to add talent during the last several months.
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-most-of-the-big-ten-loves-the-transfer-portal-and-then-theres-iowa/article_591b332c-85ea-11ec-9db3-a34fce15f222.html (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-most-of-the-big-ten-loves-the-transfer-portal-and-then-theres-iowa/article_591b332c-85ea-11ec-9db3-a34fce15f222.html)
LINCOLN — Iowa football must feel pretty good about itself. It has a right to, winning the Big Ten West in 2021.
But the Hawkeyes, outliers already in other ways, were the one conference team not to bull rush the transfer portal the past several months.
Nebraska added 10 non-juco transfers. According to the 247Sports transfer tracker, Michigan State, which struck gold last transfer cycle, signed seven. Purdue — a trendy pick for West favorite in 2022 — added six, including Iowa receiver Tyrone Tracy. Wisconsin signed five and nearly signed a sixth who would have turned the league on its head.
Even Ohio State, perennial prizefighter, added multiyear starting corner Tanner McCallister, who followed Oklahoma State defensive coordinator Jim Knowles to Columbus.
“He was already a coach on the field, and he’ll be more so here at Ohio State,” Knowles told Buckeye beat reporters. “He’s been with me. We’ve been through the wars together.”
Iowa likes the soldiers it already has, coach Kirk Ferentz said during 45-minute press conference Wednesday.
“We look at it a little bit differently,” Ferentz said of the 2022 transfer portal cycle. “Our numbers (of) attrition were low, and we’re not looking to bring a lot of new guys in that really didn’t grow up in the program.”
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McKewon: A tough but fair plan to fix the NCAA transfer portal
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-a-tough-but-fair-plan-to-fix-the-ncaa-transfer-portal/article_ef3d9606-87b1-11ec-9064-8f5e3d10338c.html (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-a-tough-but-fair-plan-to-fix-the-ncaa-transfer-portal/article_ef3d9606-87b1-11ec-9064-8f5e3d10338c.html)
Two “immediate eligibility” periods — one in December and January, then one in spring — can make this work. Transfers can take official visits during those months, too.
Currently, there’s a recruiting dead period during the holidays that creates silly self-guided tours around campus while FaceTiming with a coach.
“That process will be a lot easier if we can get them on campus and watch film with them and learn,” Frost said. “That was one issue with us and the portal this year. There is a lot of sight unseen stuff. There are conversations you can have on the phone but not a lot of possibility for in-person or no possibility for in-person contact.”
If transfers become the focus of those periods, ditching the December signing period for high school prospects seems prudent. That’s always been a mess since it started in 2018, in part because it forces everyone — coaches, prospects, parents, mentors, even reporters — to balance postseason preparation with hat ceremonies.
Ditch it. Embrace, instead, a late July signing period for the high school prospects who know what they want and are truly coveted by their college coaches. Those kids sign before their senior season begins — just like high school basketball players.
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Big Ten Football: Ranking the Transfer Classes for 2022
1. Michigan State
Key Additions: RB Jarek Broussard; RB Jalen Berger; TE Daniel Barker; DL/LB Khris Bogle; LB Aaron Brule; LB Jacoby Windmon; CB Ameer Speed
Key Losses: WR C.J. Hayes; WR Ricky White; TE Kameron Allen; TE Trenton Gillison; OL James Ohonba; DL Kyle King; DL Jack Camper; DL Tyson Watson; LB Cole DeMarzo; LB Chase Kline; CB Kalon Gervin; S Michael Dowell
The Spartans have successfully mined the portal for help under coach Mel Tucker and another strong class is on its way to East Lansing. Broussard and Berger are crucial additions to help replace Doak Walker Award winner Kenneth Walker III, while Bogle, Brule, Windmon and Speed should all be major contributors on defense.
2. Nebraska
Key Additions: QB Casey Thompson; QB Chubba Purdy; RB Deondre Jackson; WR Isaiah Garcia-Castaneda; OL Hunter Anthony; OL Kevin Williams; CB Omar Brown; CB Tommi Hill; P Brian Buschini
Key Losses: QB Adrian Martinez; RB Marvin Scott III; RB Sevion Morrison; DL Jordon Riley; LB Will Honas; LB Jackson Hannah; LB Wynden Ho’ohuli
Nebraska’s offense will have a new look in ’22. Mark Whipple was hired to call plays, and with Adrian Martinez leaving for Kansas State, transfers Thompson or Purdy are set to push Logan Smothers for the starting job under center. Despite battling a thumb injury for most of ’21, Thompson paced the Big 12 in touchdown passes at Texas. Garcia-Castaneda is an intriguing addition after averaging 15.6 yards per catch at New Mexico State last fall. Improving the line is a priority for coach Scott Frost, and both Williams and Anthony fit the need for experience and talent. Brown was a standout performer in ’19 at Northern Iowa and collected 33 tackles before missing the rest of the year due to injury in ’21.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-ranking-the-transfer-classes-for-2022 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-football-ranking-the-transfer-classes-for-2022)
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MSU adds a good old fashioned grad transfer interior lineman, Brian Greene, from Washington State
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LSU with a big get in the QB from ASU. It's not that he has to come in and have the job, it's that whoever winds up with the job earned it.
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Bilitnikoff winner Jordan Addison in the portal.
Pitt can't match whatever NIL deal he just got
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https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1520248610855825408?t=3az2nZX_FGDT2iAsAp86gA&s=19
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the Helmets going to get richer
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Nebraska’s pass rush gets a boost as Ochaun Mathis, the highly sought-after transfer from TCU,* opts for Nebraska over Texas.
WOW!!!
apparently the Husker boosters are committed
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https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1520248610855825408?t=3az2nZX_FGDT2iAsAp86gA&s=19
Mark Whipple says hello
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Devin Drew, a transfer defensive lineman from Texas Tech,* announces he’ll be a Husker.*
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Lots of investment for a team that will finish 5th in the West.
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I'm sure the boosters are shaking in their boots. A little late to the party, the NCAA is.
Task force to big-money boosters: NIL sanctions could be coming - Sports Illustrated (https://www.si.com/college/2022/05/03/task-force-to-big-money-boosters-nil-sanctions-could-be-coming)
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afraid the NCAA could save them some $$$?
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Lots of investment for a team that will finish 5th in the West.
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one of these days alice right to the moon
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https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1520248610855825408?t=3az2nZX_FGDT2iAsAp86gA&s=19
makes it hard to build a program if the break out stars just wind up transferring to helmets. kid will probably wind up at Bama.
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We can't pay players, it'll be crazy like the wild wild west.
We're going to pay players.
It's crazy like the wild wild west.
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Years later...
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Maybe we should reel it in a little and figure out some parameters.
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I'm encouraged that the Husker boosters are willing to out bid the Horns for players
Oklahoma and Auburn for the Ex-Horn QB
and Illinois for the Texas Tech D-lineman Devin Drew
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Former Husker defensive lineman Casey Rodgers names Oregon as his transfer destination.
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More than 2,000 players entered the transfer portal during the 2021-22 school year with a large number coming during major coaching changes or system revamps. Virtually every Power Five program has taken a handful of transfers to immediately fill holes. With hundreds of players remaining in the portal, more could be making decisions on their futures soon.
Here are eight programs that stand apart as winners and losers from the 2022 transfer portal cycle.
Winners
USC: Rebuilding looks a little different these days. After spurning Oklahoma, coach Lincoln Riley nabbed the No. 1 spot in the 247Sports transfer rankings in his first offseason to quickly build a Trojans roster in his image.
Bringing quarterback Caleb Williams from Oklahoma was the headliner, but USC also added receiver Mario Williams, linebacker Eric Gentry and running back Travis Dye as sought-after playmakers. Four receivers transferred to join Riley's high-flying offense -- Biletnikoff Award winner Jordan Addison could also join the fold -- but more than half of the class's transfers came on the defensive side of the ball as defensive coordinator Alex Grinch worked to build some depth. Granted, the Trojans also lost a handful of key players to the portal, like quarterback Jaxson Dart and tight end Michael Trigg, but if the Trojans compete for a Pac-12 title right away, Riley will owe the transfer portal a debt of gratitude.
Ole Miss: Rebels coach Lane Kiffin declared himself the "Portal King" after putting together the No. 2 transfer class in the nation. Dart was the headliner to replace NFL Draft pick Matt Corral, but he was only the start. Ole Miss went to Texas and nabbed running backs Ulysses Bentley IV and Zach Evans from SMU and TCU, respectively. Safety Ladarius Tennison, tight end J.J. Pegues and receiver Malik Heath transferred from programs within the Rebels' own division. Kiffin has been perhaps the most open portal recruiter in the country and has classes that prove it.
Arizona: It's flown under the radar at a relatively anonymous program, but coach Jedd Fisch is recruiting his butt off. The Wildcats pulled in the the Pac-12's No. 3 recruiting class for 2022 and followed it up with a dynamic transfer class. Wazzu quarterback Jayden de Laura will emphatically answer the glaring question under center, and he will have the freakishly dynamic Jacob Cowing from UTEP to target. Linebacker Anthony Solomon (Michigan) and edge Hunter Echols (USC) bring some dynamic play on the defensive end. The Wildcats went 1-11 in Fisch's miserable first season, but players don't seem dissuaded from his plan. That alone makes Arizona's signing class one of the most important in the Pac-12.
Nebraska: The Cornhuskers needed quick fixes and found some answers in the portal. Quarterbacks Casey Thompson and Chubba Purdy will compete for the starting job to replace Adrian Martinez. Receivers Trey Palmer and Isaiah Garcia-Castaneda add some much-needed athleticism outside. Defensively, Nebraska nabbed blue-chip transfers Ochaun Mathis (TCU) and Tommi Hill (Arizona State) to bolster an already solid unit. Offensive lineman Hunter Anthony will add some much-needed depth. Scott Frost's additions weren't especially flashy, but the transfer class will hopefully make a difference in some of those close games.
Losers
Arizona State: The Sun Devils might as well put up a "Help Wanted" sign after the vast majority of their top players decided to leave the program in the midst of NCAA troubles. Quarterback Jayden Daniels left the program for LSU in a surprising decision, which set off another round of transfers. Top receiver Ricky Pearsall and star defender Eric Gentry were expected to play central roles, while DeaMonte Trayanum left for Ohio State. Linemen Spencer Lovell, Ezra Dotson-Oyetade and Jermayne Lole all entered the portal in the last weekend.
In all, 14 key scholarship players entered the portal. Granted, the Sun Devils got some help back in the form of a top-15 transfer class, but it features only one blue-chip transfer prospect (Miami DL Nesta Jade Silvera). Ultimately, the transfer portal was a net loss for ASU.
Virginia: The Cavaliers were in a strange spot after suddenly losing coach Bronco Mendenhall, but the mass exodus of linemen after his retirement is hard to ignore. Four different offensive linemen who started games left, including All-American center Victor Oluwatimi. Ultimately, 20 players transferred from Virginia during the transition to new coach Tony Elliott with a number coming in the trenches. Luckily, star quarterback Brennan Armstrong is back, but Elliott has his work cut out to fill all the holes.
West Virginia: The Mountaineers added quarterback JT Daniels late in the cycle, but it doesn't eliminate the obscene amount of talent they lost. Twenty players entered the transfer portal, including key starters DT Akheem Mesidor, LB Josh Chandler, quarterback Jarret Doege, top receiver Winston Wright and both starting cornerbacks. Along with losing a number of contributors to graduation, WVU will look very different next season. The Mountaineers are staying active in the transfer portal to try and recoup some of the losses, but they're still in a tenuous spot heading into a make-or-break season for coach Neal Brown.
Colorado: The Buffaloes roster seems to think the 4-2 season during Karl Dorrell's debut was a fluke, as more than 20 key players from that squad entered the portal.
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More than 2,000 players entered the transfer portal during the 2021-22 school year with a large number coming during major coaching changes or system revamps. Virtually every Power Five program has taken a handful of transfers to immediately fill holes. With hundreds of players remaining in the portal, more could be making decisions on their futures soon.
Will piecemeal their Transfer Portal discussion across several posts because it's a bit lengthy, but Fox Sports’ Brady Quinn and Lavar Arrington had plenty of lamenting over the recent Transfer Portal chaos on their morning radio show earlier this week:
Pt 1
Brady Quinn:
“Here’s the problem with college football, and I do think we’re at an inflection point where if someone doesn’t step in and do something we’re going to start to tarnish the sport…this sport has been built up for the fans…it hasn’t been for the players. Because the players are now finally able to capitalize off of their name image and likeness…now we’re moving closer to a model where you’re going to see these players become employees of these universities. But NIL has not created what’s happening right now in college football…it’s the transfer portal. And it’s how we’re allowing these young men to be able to get out of any commitment whatsoever…it is as simple as saying this: let’s provide a one month window where these young men have the opportunity to transfer if they want…and they get one freebie at it just like now. Instead you’ve got this yearlong ability for any kid at any point to jump onto a roster and go ‘I don’t like it here!’ Or someone calls up, let’s just say a coach from another team…and says ‘hey we’d love to have you here.’ And they sell you on an NIL deal. Even if that NIL deal was there, if you shut off the ability of a student athlete to just up and leave at any time during the season, he’ll at least commit for a year until that next window opens up. So that there’s some sort of sense of commitment by that player for at least that year. And so right now that inflection point has gotten to a point where a college level game of football is being orchestrated like a professional league. However we don’t have the safeguards. We don’t have a union. We have a structure where there’s black and white instead of gray area…now teams are tampering and they’re using NIL money which is above board to do it. And the only problem with that is it’s considered inducement. And right now there’s nobody cracking down on inducement. There’s really no governance over any of this so it feels like the wild wild west and that’s how things are operating right now.”
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UW picked up a safety from Utah. 3 years remaining. From Hawaii and played HS with current UW OLB Nick Herbig.
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UW picked up a safety from Utah. 3 years remaining. From Hawaii and played HS with current UW OLB Nick Herbig.
Big depth piece. Can never have enough competent safeties
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Will piecemeal their Transfer Portal discussion across several posts because it's a bit lengthy, but Fox Sports’ Brady Quinn and Lavar Arrington had plenty of lamenting over the recent Transfer Portal chaos on their morning radio show earlier this week:
Transfer Portal Pt 2
Lavar Arrington:
"…there’s so many moving parts…people have made the argument that coaches have been able to leverage the college system…to use it like a transfer portal or like an NIL…look at what Lincoln Riley just did. Look at how USC is approaching the whole Lincoln Riley hiring. And one of the things I’m seeing with all these kids – because I work with a lot of these kids on a daily basis – the portal is further perpetuating the feeling of entitlement. In a lot of cases they’re delusional. College athletes are a little delusional…for all the big stories we see with the Caleb Williams and the Spencer Rattlers there are a whole bunch of other names that entered the transfer portal and are sitting at home right now on their coach. Or going to a junior college because no one picked them up. We’re not hearing about the horror stories yet. We haven’t seen anybody addicted to pain killers yet, attributed to sitting and home and not getting another opportunity. There’s a very dark side to this transfer portal. While I will agree the NIL is not the direct problem to all of this, I will say having this whole transfer portal and being able to leverage the NIL to get the kids you want into the transfer portal is quickly becoming the issue that’s coming to a head as an issue that’s possibly monitored and regulated because there’s no slowing this freight train down."
Fox Sports' Brady Quinn:
“And that’s the hard part. I don’t know anyone in congress who wants to run on this platform. You’ve got a stock market that’s taken on the worst month we’ve seen since 2008 back when the housing market crashed. And there’s a lot of people out there watching inflation and just trying to fill up their gas tank…you’ve got a war in Ukraine…is Russia using chemical weapons?…does the U.S. have to get involved because of that?…congress isn’t going to come in a save college football. I think it’s going to collectively take the Power 5 conferences and their commissioners to come together and figure out a common ground…I think every school is trying to abide by what they believe the rules are but that’s a different interpretation depending on where you are. And if you’re a desperate blue blood you’ll do anything to make it work, like calling up some of the best players around the country and using NIL money to induce them to come to your school. Tampering, whatever you want to call it – when you’re a desperate blue blood you’ll push whatever envelope you can.”
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Will piecemeal their Transfer Portal discussion across several posts because it's a bit lengthy, but Fox Sports’ Brady Quinn and Lavar Arrington had plenty of lamenting over the recent Transfer Portal chaos on their morning radio show earlier this week:
Pt 3
Lavar Arrington:
“If you think about it you can wait for another program to develop a kid and then just go outbid them for a kid. So now you’re not recruiting high school anymore, you’re recruiting college.”
Fox Sports' Brady Quinn:
“Forget about the money. The money has always been there. There’ve been kids being paid by schools coming out of high school. I remember hearing on one of my stops ‘well, we tried to recruit that kid but we didn’t offer him the going rate for a five star quarterback.’ The NIL stuff has brought on its own issues and it’s not the kids. It’s all the adults in the room who try to take advantage of what they see as an opportunity…and the reason why this is able to take place is because kids can up and leave. And so unless they do something about the transfer portal this’ll continue to be an issue.”
Lavar Arrington:
“And if people don’t understand what up and leave means, there was a time where you had to get cleared by the coaches to leave the school and go transfer somewhere else. Then you’d have to sit out a season. Generally speaking these were guys already having other schools to go to…these were guys seeking bids to play for a place that they were already aware of. The problem that is surmounting right now and kind of continuing to develop is that you’re not allowed to coach these kids anymore. Listen, me and Joe’s [Paterno] relationship played out very publicly. People knew that we didn’t care for each other. And it was always in the media. But one thing is certain – I still learned so much from trying to navigate and be a college student athlete and fitting into the fabric of the culture I was a part of. I had to be ten minutes early to everything. I had to make it to classes. I had to maintain a certain GPA. I couldn’t where jewelry around certain places. These are all things that people would now balk at and say that’s not me. Tattoos were frowned upon. And whether you like it or not, living in those conditions taught you – and I’m not going to be apologetic about this – how to be a man. It taught you how to be a man to this day. To this day I don’t miss work. To this day I’m not late. I structure my home and my business that way. Those are things that if I had a transfer portal I would not have had to go through fire and iron sharpens iron because it would’ve been for someone like myself too easy to go somewhere else. And the problem they’re going to run into is you’re going to go to that somewhere else and they’re still gonna wanna coach you. And you’re still gonna have to be coachable. And then what do you do? So now you’re creating a bad habit of ‘OK, I came here, I got this NIL money but what I didn’t think about was they’re still going to coach me, they’re still going to be rules, they’re still going to be discipline – we’ll I don’t like being treated that way. You pay me too much and I’m too important, so if you don’t treat me this way I’m going somewhere else.’ The problem we’re running into with that is it’s a delusional approach, it is a lack of development approach, and that’s going to mess with the development of this next generation of college athletes. It’s not conducive to an environment where you can raise and develop young adult for real world demands.”
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The thing this current arrangement lacks is a speed bump. I think the one-year break had its issue, but it was a solid speed bump. And it's hard to figure out a way for kids to speed bump themselves. You can't rely on "they just want to be there" as a reason kids stay.
There might also be a simple reality that the luxuries afforded to student athletes (the recruiting inducements of yesteryear) make the transition easier too. Part of the reason many kids don't transfer isn't because they're loving school, it's because transferring is a tremendous pain in the ass. In this world, it seems it's not (perhaps the world these kids come up in is more prone to change, which means they're better handling it).
I was a a reunion with some college friends a few months back, and at some point, when we were quite drunk, we got on the subject of being underclassmen and how it's often profoundly lonely. Networks of support you've built up aren't there. You're sort of hastily assembling friend groups on the fly. The way you're socializing is often not conducive to something that's really fulfilling. Three of us were chatting, the other two has said they considered transferring to a smaller place. I had tried to transfer in HS, which didn't work, and I realized that if I wanted to leave college, I had nowhere to go that I assumed would feel comfortable (i.e., everyone I knew didn't go to one place) and quitting meant a life pivot I was almost assuredly not ready for. Since these teams are so supportive, their coaches such good salesmen, I'd bet it means that with the lonely reality, there's always someone who can make the next place sounds good, wholesome and comfortable.
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Pt 4 last
Fox Sports' Brady Quinn:
“And here’s the other issue with right now – the transfer portal – the rule is you get one freebie and then you’d have to lose eligibility, but here’s what happens: these kids days nowadays, between summer school and from what they’ll come in with from high school, they are graduating in three or three and a half years. So they’re on an accelerated path. And what that means is – let’s say I start off at one school my freshman year and I didn’t get any playing time so now I’m in the transfer portal. By junior year I’m balling out and now I’m graduating. Oh, now I get to be a grad transfer. There’s no penalty for me leaving again. So think about that. Based on how it’s currently constructed, these kids can transfer twice if they wanted…it’s fascinating because you can’t move around like that at the NFL level. Think about that. When you sign a contract, which is what these kids are asked to do now at the college level, they commit, they sign their letter of intent, you basically sign like a one year agreement with the school. These kids are able to bounce twice within the timeframe of their letter of intent. You know how many pros wish they had the opportunity to hit free agency twice within a four or five year period? …But the Pac 12 isn’t going to step in. You wanna know why? Because they need Southern Cal to win. They’re irrelevant right now. It’s one of the reason why I picked the under on how many players were going to get drafted out of the Pac 12. No disrespect, but those players on the west coast are largely going somewhere else. They aren’t staying in the Pac 12."
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Kaine Williams was a four-star safety from Marrero (La.) John Ehret high school when he committed to Alabama in 2021.
Williams entered the transfer portal on April 25th and following official visits to Kansas and Nebraska this week, he committed to the Huskers on Sunday.
Williams is the eighth scholarship defensive back Nebraska has added to their roster this off-season.
NU offered Williams just days after he announced publicly that he had put his name in the transfer portal. Nebraska added a number of mid-year defensive backs to their roster in January and it is anticipated that Williams can come in and compete for playing time immediately.
The Huskers are also playing host to Williams' teammate from Alabama - defensive lineman Stephon Wynn. Williams redshirted last year for Alabama but saw playing time in the regular-season finale against Georgia on special teams.
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Nebraska football added another piece from the transfer portal, as Alabama defensive tackle Stephon Wynn Jr. committed to the Huskers over interest from Georgia Tech, Texas Tech and others, and officially visited Nebraska the weekend of May 14.
"Just a family decision," Wynn told Husker247 after his commitment on Sunday. "It's the best place for me to achieve my dreams and goals."
Wynn had largely been a reserve for the Crimson Tide during his time at Alabama. A redshirt senior, Wynn appeared in 21 games in his four seasons and recorded a combined 13 tackles. He played in seven games as a reserve this past season and tallied seven tackles.
The 6-foot-4, 307-pound Wynn was a Top-100 recruit out of IMG Academy during the 2018 cycle. A native of Anderson, S.C., he was the No. 3 strong-side defensive end and 74th overall prospect, according to the 247Sports Composite.
Wynn, who said he plans to arrive to Lincoln by early June, is determined to show he can log a lot of snaps, help the Huskers get over the hump and also achieve his goal of making it to the NFL.
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Former Texas receiver Marcus Washington announces he’s transferring* to Nebraska, where he’ll team up once again with quarterback Casey Thompson. |
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On the same day that one of their incoming freshman asked for and was granted a release from his scholarship, the Iowa football program also lost a key wide receiver and the top return man in the Big Ten Conference.
Charlie Jones, who was named the winner of the Rodgers-Dwight Return Specialists of the Year, entered the NCAA transfer portal on Wednesday afternoon. He decided to return for an extra year granted by the NCAA due to Covid-19 and participated in spring ball for the Hawkeyes.
Last season he caught 21 passes for 323 yards and three touchdowns. He also averaged 25.4 yards per return on kickoffs last season, including a return for a touchdown against Illinois. Jones also averaged 7.7 yards per punt returns last season.
Jones was slated to be in the two deeps at wide receiver and the Hawkeyes were already relatively thin at the position, having already lost Tyrone Tracy to Purdue after the season. Iowa is now at six scholarship wide receivers on the roster, including Brody Brecht, who played baseball this spring, and incoming freshman Jacob Bostick.
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Rumors are Charlie Jones is also on the Purdue radar as well.