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Title: Minnesota (4-3, 6-4) at #19 Iowa (5-2, 8-2) Post Game
Post by: Hawkinole on November 07, 2021, 07:38:43 PM
Iowa is coming off a 17-12 win over Northwestern. Iowa finally got some offense going, but scored only 17 while Northwestern on defense has given up an average of 26 ppg, so Iowa still scored well below the average for a Northwestern opponent.
Alex Padilla replaced Spencer Petras on the 4th series, and was 18/28, 172 yds, 0 TDs, 0 Ints.

Minnesota was defeated at home by a seemingly improving Illinois team. Tanner Morgan was 15/27,  180 yds., 0 TDs, 2 Ints.

Iowa has given up and average 15.67 ppg, while scoring 24.4 ppg.

Minnesota has given up an average 18.33 ppg, while scoring 25.9 ppg

It would seem Iowa should be favored at home by 3-6 points. I have not seen a betting line. The outcome may depend on (a) whether the Iowa defense forces turnovers, and (b) whether Alex Padilla either takes over the starting QB job, or is allowed to play extensively. Padilla is more mobile, although he didn't use his mobility much. Padilla appears to pick out open receivers more quickly, and releases the ball earlier, and quicker than Petras. Given the O-Line weaknesses, it seems like Padilla should take over the QB position, or at least play the vast majority of snaps. (Petras can throw long, not sure about Padilla).

What do you have to say for this one?
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 07, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
I'm leaning towards Iowa here
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: LittlePig on November 07, 2021, 09:10:58 PM
Kirk Ferentz kind of let it leak that Spencer Petras was banged up against Wisc and the plan all along was if Petras was ineffective early against NW, he would get pulled for Padilla.

I don't know if I buy all that,  but it was clear once Padilla entered the game,  the offense seemed to be much more energized.  The Iowa offense turtled in the 2nd half partly due to conservative play calls including several running plays called on 3rd and long. 

The concern is that kirk ferentz will go back to Petras once he is declared healthy,  but the players and fans have already decided its time to switch to Padilla.  Once you lose the players,  its bad news.

You have to empathize with Petras a little.  The guy did win 12 games in a row as a starter without the benefit of spring training his first year starting.  He deserves some credit.  But even Spencer Rattler found out no job is safe once your team starts to struggle.  But this is now Petras 2nd year starting and he has never thrown an accurate ball and is not especially mobile.  But he does have a stronger arm and is taller than Padilla.  Petras potential ceiling has always been higher,  but maybe his time has run out.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Hawkinole on November 07, 2021, 10:24:32 PM
You have to empathize with Petras a little.  The guy did win 12 games in a row as a starter without the benefit of spring training his first year starting.  He deserves some credit.  . . .  But he does have a stronger arm and is taller than Padilla.  Petras potential ceiling has always been higher,  but maybe his time has run out.
I empathize with Petras. He usually had good ball security, which I thought was 2/3rds luck because he so often overthrew his target that other teams probably should have intercepted him more than they did.
He QB'd the team through an amazing 12-game win-streak for Iowa. But this year's part of the win streak was mainly brought about by good defense forcing turnovers, and good ball security on offense, until . . . 3-fumbles at Wisconsin (only one by Petras, but he may have contributed to another) and 9/19 passing for 96 yds., and vs. Purdue 4-Ints.
His good luck with Ints. and ball security ran out.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Hawkinole on November 07, 2021, 11:27:21 PM
In this game it would help if Iowa gets out to a two-score lead which would help take Minnesota's running game, away. 
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Hawkinole on November 08, 2021, 02:07:48 AM
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/mark.a.roeder.7/videos/3014049985505130) The Hawkeye Alumni beer band on Friday night of homecoming, before the disastrous Purdue game.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Benthere2 on November 08, 2021, 07:10:52 AM
if i was a betting person I would bet the house and the neighbors house on Iowa.  the offense in MN is a complete mess and it does not look like it will be fixed anytime soon 

Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Temp430 on November 08, 2021, 07:11:35 AM
Battle for the bacon!
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2021, 10:11:46 AM
if i was a betting person I would bet the house and the neighbors house on Iowa.  the offense in MN is a complete mess and it does not look like it will be fixed anytime soon


well, the Hawk's offense is excited about a fresh QB that put 17 on Northwestern
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: LittlePig on November 09, 2021, 08:13:57 AM
The new Iowa depth chart is out and Padilla is listed as the starting QB with Duece Hogan listed as the backup.  This seems to imply that Petras is out because he is hurt.  But it may not be that simple. 
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: FearlessF on November 09, 2021, 09:13:52 AM
In this game it would help if Iowa gets out to a two-score lead which would help take Minnesota's running game, away.
I'm not sure a 4 score lead will take the Gooophers out of their run game
it's what they do
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: LittlePig on November 09, 2021, 06:57:47 PM
It was not a total shock that Minn tanked right after P.J. Fleck got a big contract extension.  Kirk Ferentz has been doing that to Iowa for a long time. 

Whenever KF signs another one of those 10-year guarunteed contracts, Iowa always loses the Sat after KF signs it.  Its almost like KF knows when the team is about to fall apart, and he tells his agent,  lets get that new contract signed right now!
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: GopherRock on November 10, 2021, 03:00:08 PM
If the Gophers hold onto the ball and keep other stupid mistakes to a minimum, they can win this thing. 

Even in the losses, the D has been playing very well. Anytime you hold a team to 14 points you've put your team in a position to win. Against Illinois, after the first two series, they put them out of business. 

Sanford, Morgan, et al. MUST be ready to take whatever they are given. If Sanford calls for runs off guard every first down (like he did in the BG and Illinois losses), it's going to be a long afternoon. 

Punt coverage will also be important. Make Iowa go 85+ yards every time, and they can't do it.

I'm not expecting that Floyd will be making his first trip home from Mordor since 1999, but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: LittlePig on November 10, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
I was about to tell you that you were wrong.  That there was no way 1999 was the last time Minn won in Iowa City,  because I knew for a fact that Minn won back to back games against Iowa in 2010 and 2011.

But it turns out I am wrong.  Minn did win against Iowa in both 2010 and 2011 but turns out both those games were in Minneapolis.  I am guessing this was probably a scheduling quirk caused by the new Legends division created in 2011.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Hawkinole on November 11, 2021, 01:16:16 AM
I was about to say, this is your week. But since you are little and Floyd is big, maybe it's not. I know this one could go either way, but Padilla was good against Wisconsin (all 6 passes on target, 3 dropped), and against Northwestern. Only Brian Ferentz could get in the way.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
that's what Brian does best
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: LittlePig on November 11, 2021, 12:23:12 PM
I was about to say, this is your week. But since you are little and Floyd is big, maybe it's not.
Lol, you are correct.  That is a picture of Floyd of Rosedale when I post.  It was from some corny bit from years ago where an ESPN reporter was pretending to interview Floyd during an Iowa-Minn game, asking Floyd who he thinks would win.  But Floyd was predictably tight lipped and refused to say anything.  The bit bombed terribly but for some reason I found it funny.

As for Floyd I believe he is a full fledged hog.  I may be too now.  The official difference between a pig and a hog, I believe,  is a pig is less than 180 pounds, and  a hog is over 180 pounds. 

In my youth, I weighed less than 180 pounds,  but the pandemic has officially pushed me into the Hog category.  Maybe I should change my name to BigHog!
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: ELA on November 12, 2021, 11:19:46 AM

Minnesota Golden Gophers (4-2, 6-3) at #20 Iowa Hawkeyes (4-2, 7-2)
3:30 - Iowa City, IA - BTN
Everything was aligned this year for the Gophers to make their first trip to Indianapolis.  Wisconsin dropped a pair of conference games in September, Minnesota had a senior quarterback, and already secured a win over their closest competition for the division title they had played to date (Purdue).  Yes, they had a loss to Bowling Green.  It was embarrassing, but unless you thought Minnesota was going to the Playoff, it really did nothing to impact their goals for the season.  Then they went out and scored 6 points against Illinois.  I have nothing against Wisconsin as a program, and no particular affinity for Minnesota.  But I've seen the Ohio State-Wisconsin Conference Championship Game before.  Just for a little diversity, I kind of want to see Minnesota or Purdue.  Now Minnesota still has Iowa and Wisconsin on their schedule, but they have completely eliminated any room for error.  So back to them scoring 6 points against Illinois.  The Illini have the nation's #49 defense by SP+.  Iowa is #3, and Wisconsin's #2 defense is two weeks away.  So where are the points coming from?  It has to start with getting the ground game going.  The Illinois defense has been sneaky good (at times) against the run this season, and they were able to totally shut down a Minnesota run game which had weathered the loss of their top three running backs thanks to an elite run blocking line.  Against the Illini, they mustered just 89 yards on 2.5 yards per carry.  The whole offense fell apart around that.  Tanner Morgan, who had been playing better, without the threat of play action, and short sticks, averaged just 6.7 ypa, with no touchdowns and 2 picks, his worst TD:INT ratio since...well, the Bowling Green game.  It doesn't help that that great run blocking offensive line, is terrible in pass protection, particularly in obvious passing downs, where they rank #113 in sack rate on passing downs.  The one upside is that the one thing Iowa's defense doesn't really do, is get after the quarterback.  They are 93rd in the FBS in sack rate, at just 5.31%, and over the past three games, it drops to 3.54%.  However, it's not like the Iowa offense is in much better shape though.  Last week the Hawkeyes were back to their September turnover games, at +3 against NORTHWESTERN, and still only scored 17 points, and were outgained by the Cats.  Tyler Goodson had his best game since they beat Kent, but nobody is buying that fool's gold.  What I am buying is Alex Padilla, who came on to replace Spencer Petras, and looked good.  Some of his throws were NFL good throws, and with a full week of first team reps, I think Ferentz has to turn to him.  Throw in the fact that Chris Autman-Bell appears to be out for Minnesota, and I think Iowa can stack that box, force Tanner Morgan into situations where he gets turnover prone, and put their offense in favorable situations.
IOWA 24, MINNESOTA 14

Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: LittlePig on November 12, 2021, 06:28:13 PM
Yup if Iowa actually scores 24 points against Minn, it must be because Tanner Morgan is throwing some picks,  otherwise I am not sure how Iowa get 24 points.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Benthere2 on November 12, 2021, 08:53:17 PM
Yup if Iowa actually scores 24 points against Minn, it must be because Tanner Morgan is throwing some picks,  otherwise I am not sure how Iowa get 24 points.
hard to throw too many picks when he is given the opportunity to throw passes
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: Hawkinole on November 13, 2021, 02:26:41 AM
I am going to say, Iowa 23 - Minnesota 17. 

I doubt there will be many turnovers. Iowa and Minnesota play similar game plans, but Minnesota is better offensively at gaming out their plan, and Iowa is better defensively at gaming out it's plan. If Iowa goes up by 10, it will be lights out for the other because the offense will go into stall mode. Iowa might be able to come from behind, but only because it is at home, and it would be a huge struggle.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: GopherRock on November 13, 2021, 07:34:18 AM
I know it sounds cliché, but who gets the first TD may win. Both of these teams want to play on the lead.
Title: Re: Minnesota (4-2, 6-3) at #19 Iowa (4-2, 7-2) - for Floyd of Rosedale
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2021, 09:29:06 AM
I'll be watching with a small town bar full of my Hawkeye friends and neighbors

they just love my big red input

just some harmless pot stirring as usual