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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: Thumper on November 01, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
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Eight teams in action. OU and TT on bye week.
Kansas v KState (-23). Sunflower Showdown teams limping to the end of the season. KSU should be bowl eligible after this.
WVU v OSU (-3). Probably best matchup of the day. Pokes have only given up 85 points this year. I'm picking them.
TCU v Baylor (-6.5). First time in 20 years there is no Gary Patterson on the sideline for TCU. Bears win.
Texas v ISU (-7). Disappointing year for both teams. I'll take ISU at home.
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Eight teams in action. OU and TT on bye week.
Kansas v KState (-23). Sunflower Showdown teams limping to the end of the season. KSU should be bowl eligible after this.
WVU v OSU (-3). Probably best matchup of the day. Pokes have only given up 85 points this year. I'm picking them.
TCU v Baylor (-6.5). First time in 20 years there is no Gary Patterson on the sideline for TCU. Bears win.
Texas v ISU (-7). Disappointing year for both teams. I'll take ISU at home.
Heh! I never entered my picks. I think I would have picked as you did: KSU, OSU, Baylor, ISU. I would have been the least sure of my ISU pick.
TCU really rose to the occasion! Apparently, Gary Patterson was in the football office every day this week helping the staff game-plan for Baylor. I guess it paid off.
Hard to know what's gone wrong with Texas. I wonder if Sarkesian knows what the problem is but doesn't know how to fix it, or if he hasn't even gotten the problem diagnosed yet.
Austin malaise? Green fog? Kidney thieves? Overactive boosters? Karma?
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Craziness down with Florida and Dan Mullen also. LSU was in it at Bama. Craziness, Purdue beats MSU.
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Heh! I never entered my picks. I think I would have picked as you did: KSU, OSU, Baylor, ISU. I would have been the least sure of my ISU pick.
TCU really rose to the occasion! Apparently, Gary Patterson was in the football office every day this week helping the staff game-plan for Baylor. I guess it paid off.
Hard to know what's gone wrong with Texas. I wonder if Sarkesian knows what the problem is but doesn't know how to fix it, or if he hasn't even gotten the problem diagnosed yet.
Austin malaise? Green fog? Kidney thieves? Overactive boosters? Karma?
When you lead 4 games in a row headed into halftime, and get blown out in the second half of each of those games, I'd say the signs point to desperately shitty coaching.
But a terrible oline and dline doesn't help matters much.
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Looks like Sirkisian is facing down the barrel of a losing season. Not a good way to enter the SEC. Makes recruiting tough, and then you start in the toughest division of the toughest league. Assuming the SEC jump is 2022 and Alabama and Auburn stay west, which is doubtful.
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I presume Auburn and Bama jump East, maybe Mizzou jumps west in exchange for .... I dunno.
Scheduling will shake up, UGA has some OOC games slated with Texas and OU ...
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I still think we have a shot at 7 wins but having to play WV at their place wont be easy
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Looks like Sirkisian is facing down the barrel of a losing season. Not a good way to enter the SEC. Makes recruiting tough, and then you start in the toughest division of the toughest league. Assuming the SEC jump is 2022 and Alabama and Auburn stay west, which is doubtful.
The move will be 2022. Alabama and Auburn will either move east, or the conference will go to pods.
Sarkisian sucks ass and it's going to be a tough 5-6 years suffering through his poor coaching, then firing him, then hiring the next guy. If the next guy is good, then Texas will eventually recover. If the next guy is as stupid and bad a hire as Strong, Herman, and Sarkisian, then Texas will suffer another 5-6 years after THAT bad hire.
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Tell me it's bad coaching without telling me it's bad coaching:
https://twitter.com/BDavisAAS/status/1457190830498672640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1457190830498672640%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FBDavisAAS%2Fstatus%2F1457190830498672640
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When you lead 4 games in a row headed into halftime, and get blown out in the second half of each of those games, I'd say the signs point to desperately shitty coaching.
But a terrible oline and dline doesn't help matters much.
I've seen some assertions that Texas' high recruiting-class rankings have been based too much on skill position players and have been short on trench ponies. Does that seem factual to you?
Or has it been a failure to develop highly ranked linemen?
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. . . Sarkisian sucks ass and it's going to be a tough 5-6 years suffering through his poor coaching, then firing him, then hiring the next guy. If the next guy is good, then Texas will eventually recover. If the next guy is as stupid and bad a hire as Strong, Herman, and Sarkisian, then Texas will suffer another 5-6 years after THAT bad hire.
I'm sure that Horn fans are asking the question: Why the string of "bad hires"?
All of these guys have been successful elsewhere. (Except, actually, Sarkesian, who was mediocre in his two previous head-coaching jobs.) Then they come to Texas and do poorly. Is there something in the nature of the UT HFC job that is not conducive to success? Or is something wrong with the hiring process?
I remember posts from, oh, a year ago, suggesting that UT hire Matt Campbell. And I think that I remember you responding that Matt Campbell would not be acceptable because--and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but this is how my increasingly fallible memory has it--he hadn't demonstrated enough success or success at the highest level.
So, in 20-20 hindsight, why was Matt Campbell unacceptable but Steve Sarkesian was hailed--not necessarily by you--as a home-run hire?
Frankly, I'm not in any hurry to see UT hit a coaching-hire home run. If the OU-UT W-L trend of the last 13 games continues, I might live to see OU on top in the all-time series.
Texas leads 62-50-5, which is a smidgeon over 55%. I think that is Texas' lowest-ever winning percentage in the series.
Here's an interesting factoid: OU has scored 2,173 points and Texas has scored 2,169 points in the RRS. (https://soonerstats.com/football/opponents/details.cfm?oppid=7) I wonder if there is a 117-game rivalry out there with overall scoring so close.
It's almost enough to make me want to ditch the "electoral college" of games won and lost and go with the "popular vote" of total points scored.
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Interesting. What is the record since 2000? OU has been really strong since Stoops 2nd year.
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Dang. Casually watching SNF. I had no idea Adrian
Peterson was still playing. Talk about longevity.
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Interesting. What is the record since 2000? OU has been really strong since Stoops 2nd year.
Starting with the 2000 season, the record is OU 16, Texas 7. In the interesting but irrelevant stat of points scored, it's OU up 801 to 612. OU's 2 biggest blowouts of UT took place, but so did UT's biggest blowout of OU.
An interesting (and arbitrary) start point that favors OU is 1971, the year after OU switched to the wishbone during the off week before the RRS, which was a 41-9 shellacking at the hands of the Horns. OU is up 29-20 with 3 ties. It's the same 9-win margin as we have since 2000. So . . . from 1971 through 1999, the record was 13-13-3.
On the OU side, that 29-year period includes the last 2 years of Chuck Fairbanks as HFC (22-2 overall, 2-0 in the RRS), the entire time of Barry Switzer (157-29-4 overall, 9-5-2 in the RRS), the six years of Gary Gibbs (44-23-2 overall, 1-5 in the RRS), the year of Howard Schnellenberger (5-5-1 overall, 0-0-1 in the RRS), the three years of John Blake (12-22 overall, 1-2 in the RRS), and the first year of Bob Stoops (7-5 overall, 0-1 in the RRS).
On the UT side, that includes the last six years of Darrell Royal (0-5-1 in the RRS), the 10 years of Fred Akers (5-4-1 in the RRS), the five years of David McWilliams (3-2 in the RRS), the six years of John Mackovic (3-2-1), and the first two years of Mack Brown (2-0 in the RRS).
One of the UT guys on the old CFN board (maybe it was Utee, but I think more likely it was Hooky) made the point during the runup to an OU-Texas game that every Texas coach had a winning record against OU. That worm has turned. Starting with Mack Brown (surely UT's 2nd-greatest coach of the post-WWII era), the the Horn HFCs have had losing records vs. OU. Mack Brown: 7-9; Charlie Strong: 1-2; Tom Herman: 1-4; and now Steve Sarkesian: 0-1.
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Dang. Casually watching SNF. I had no idea Adrian
Peterson was still playing. Talk about longevity.
I think he's 36. He can't have much left in the tank, can he?
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he's a beast!
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Yup. That man just loves to run the football. Sure wish he'd come to Texas where he would have won himself a national championship during his tenure, rather than wasting away in Norman.
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https://twitter.com/kpthefirst/status/1458162684382359559?s=20
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https://twitter.com/kpthefirst/status/1458162684382359559?s=20
The Texas fan base is grateful for this video. We've been through this before, trying to find out who wants to play ball and who's enjoying wearing the uniform. Mr. Davis is a winner. He's going to smell out the other winners, and send the rest home.
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The Texas fan base is grateful for this video. We've been through this before, trying to find out who wants to play ball and who's enjoying wearing the uniform. Mr. Davis is a winner. He's going to smell out the other winners, and send the rest home.
But the Texas fan base doesn't hire and fire the coaches.
As I think I see it, the question is whether or not coaches like Bo Davis can last long enough to clean out the guys who enjoy wearing the uniform.
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But the Texas fan base doesn't hire and fire the coaches.
As I think I see it, the question is whether or not coaches like Bo Davis can last long enough to clean out the guys who enjoy wearing the uniform.
I've rehashed recent (like 10 years is recent?) history several times already, but there were reasons that Texas did really dumb stuff with the last few coaching hires. Similarly, there are reasons why this one is different.
Sark has to play a football season. He has to get new kids involved. You get a roster with maybe 20 gamers and 60 jokers, you can't just start running kids off. You need those jokers to play games. Prospects don't want to see you clearing space like that. Bo Davis is telling me that the coaches know there's a deficit of "ganas" on the team.
A coach can put you in schemes. He can get you strong and trained. He can tell you how to run the play, how to adjust, and how to read a defense. The other side trains, too. During a game, shedding a block to make a tackle takes heart. You have to "want to" more than the other guy. Those other guys love beating Texas. They "want to". The players with "Texas" on their chest have to love the team and their buddies enough to hate losing. Angry people win football games (someone good at coaching football, I think, said that once). The Texas players have to start being angry at losing. That anger should drive them to shed a block, or pancake their man, or find an extra gear.
Football, as I understand it, is a tough game. The Texas players have to hate losing and find the pride in working next to their teammates.
This season isn't going to result in meaningful hardware. Time to train for next year. I don't care who laughed on the bus, or who shot the video. I'm willing to put last week behind me. Anyone willing to get on board after that rant is welcome on the train with no past recriminations. Going forward, though, only those with ganas will play. Everyone else can start preparing for that "life after football" that keeps being discussed.
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yup, some programs treat their players well.
some programs allow a new coach to gut the roster and run everyone off.
I assume Frost was in a similar situation when taking over for Riley, who ran a country club with no discipline. didn't want to throw 80 kids out the door
therefore it takes longer to establish the culture and get complete buy in
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I don't remember anything about Tom Herman being a disciplinarian, but I thought that that was part of Charlie Strong's resume. But he didn't last long enough to change the culture, it seems.
Maybe I'm misremembering that about Strong, though.
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I think Herman and Strong both paid lip service to discipline, but I don't think it really was ever part of their culture.
Strong was such an obviously overmatched, out-of-his-depth head coach, that I don't think it ever could have mattered.
I think Herman had a better handle on how to manage football at a helmet program. He had other issues, allegedly, off the field. And he was routinely outcoached by teams that most certainly had far less talent on the roster. He lost most of the fans after two straight season opening losses to Maryland.
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I don't remember anything about Tom Herman being a disciplinarian, but I thought that that was part of Charlie Strong's resume. But he didn't last long enough to change the culture, it seems.
Maybe I'm misremembering that about Strong, though.
Herman wasn't really the "disciplinarian". He did sophomoric stuff like making the position group that lost intra-squad scrimmages eat cold eggs for breakfast the next day. Allegedly, he wanted to make the players hate losing. I understand the thought, and it probably worked for an actual jerk like Urban Meyer. When you're not a real life jerk, stunts like that just make people hate you.
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Herman was a child. Strong was in way over his head, and might also have been a poor coach who looked better because of a supreme talent at his previous gig.
And Sark is... well, the worst coach at Texas since 1956.
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Nah, Bevo won't fit through the portal, so he has to stick around.