1) OSUWelcome, and I thought the same, but ties are not included when the results of this thread are calculated. Hopefully we can get you to recalibrate. I look forward to the results each week.
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1) OSU
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It's just like every other year where the rest of the conference is pedestrian. College football is broken. It was laughable that Iowa got to spend a week ranked #2. Every other major conference is basically the same 9 times out of 10. It wouldn't bother me if OSU or Alabama made the playoff with two losses. It would be criminal if they were left out. They're still better than any other team you could slide in there. Let the best teams play and we can quit pretending that teams like Cincy have any business in the discussion.
If you somehow disagree watch the movie Groundhog Day then just hang in there for a few more weeks until OSU gets the chance to murder PSU, MSU, UM and the West champion. OSU is saving their biggest beatdown for UM to make up for not getting the chance last year. Harbaugh will stand on the sidelines with a dumbfounded look on his face and in the post game interview try he'll try to pretend he's Bo and speak as if he teleported here from the 1960's. Then they'll lose their bowl game and he'll coach again next year.
Save this post, re-read it in early December and ask yourself how could this man have possibly so accurately foretold the future?
Save this post, re-read it in early December and ask yourself how could this man have possibly so accurately foretold the future?Just give me Mondays Powerball number to save time and suspense
1) OSUwelcome aboard, young man
2-14) LOL
It's just like every other year where the rest of the conference is pedestrian. College football is broken. It was laughable that Iowa got to spend a week ranked #2. Every other major conference is basically the same 9 times out of 10. It wouldn't bother me if OSU or Alabama made the playoff with two losses. It would be criminal if they were left out. They're still better than any other team you could slide in there. Let the best teams play and we can quit pretending that teams like Cincy have any business in the discussion.
If you somehow disagree watch the movie Groundhog Day then just hang in there for a few more weeks until OSU gets the chance to murder PSU, MSU, UM and the West champion. OSU is saving their biggest beatdown for UM to make up for not getting the chance last year. Harbaugh will stand on the sidelines with a dumbfounded look on his face and in the post game interview try he'll try to pretend he's Bo and speak as if he teleported here from the 1960's. Then they'll lose their bowl game and he'll coach again next year.
Save this post, re-read it in early December and ask yourself how could this man have possibly so accurately foretold the future?
Just give me Mondays Powerball number to save time and suspenseLotteries are rigged my friend, plan for retirement through other means.
Lotteries are rigged my friend, plan for retirement through other means.Rigged? Do you mean nonrandom?
Wrong. It would not "be criminal" if a two loss team was left out of the playoffs. Two losses would indicate that neither earned the right to be there.Records are mostly irrelevant because season schedules vary drastically from team to team. It's a pipe dream but having an objective, knowledgeable committee evaluate teams based on their on field performance is much preferred. There are metrics that are very telling other than wins/losses.
Rigged? Do you mean nonrandom?Likely, yes. But more importantly you and will never win that I can assure you.
Records are mostly irrelevant because season schedules vary drastically from team to team. It's a pipe dream but having an objective, knowledgeable committee evaluate teams based on their on field performance is much preferred. There are metrics that are very telling other than wins/losses.
This year it's Alabama, OSU and most likely Georgia. Everybody else is playing for the honor to be manhandled in the semi-finals by one of these three. This season is no different than any other in recent memory with the exception that Clemson is in a reloading year.
No.....records are not irrelevant. You earn your way to the playoffs by winning games. If you slip up....you lose the opportunity. Under your suggestion.....you might as well give teams like Alabama and OSU automatic bids....because they always bring in more talent than most other teams. Either team loses another game and they are out. Tough break....but it turns out that the best teams don't always win the NC, the Super Bowl, the NBA Finals, the World Series, and so on. If you lost two games in a season.....you aren't the best team. The best teams win their games. Simple as that.A two loss Alabama or OSU would destroy an undefeated Cincy, SMU, WF, UTSA, and San Diego St. They would also beat an undefeated MSU, UM and Oklahoma 8 times out of 10. There is years of data to support this. College football is a small handful of haves and a shitload of have nots.
A two loss Alabama or OSU would destroy an undefeated Cincy, SMU, WF, UTSA, and San Diego St. They would also beat an undefeated MSU, UM and Oklahoma 8 times out of 10. There is years of data to support this. College football is a small handful of haves and a shitload of have nots.
If you want to watch competitive games during the playoff then you have to leave the have nots at home.
Alabama will have their shot when they play Georgia for the SEC Championship. They lose and that's all we need to know. Time to give another team a shot. OSU should run the table here. The game against Michigan is their one question. If they take a second loss against an undefeated Michigan team.....that's all that needs to be said. Michigan is in over them.I'd still take Alabama over the have nots in this scenario. That would be a competitive early season loss in a hostile night game environment, winning one of the toughest divisions in the country and losing to the top ranked team in the country. It's still better than what Cincy has to offer with that one win against mediocre Notre Dame. Teams that schedule a cakewalk but can't back it up come playoff time don't belong in the discussion.
Results matter. If a team drops two games in a season.....they aren't a championship team. A championship team wins their games ALL year.
I'd still take Alabama over the have nots in this scenario. That would be a competitive early season loss in a hostile night game environment, winning one of the toughest divisions in the country and losing to the top ranked team in the country. It's still better than what Cincy has to offer with that one win against mediocre Notre Dame. Teams that schedule a cakewalk but can't back it up come playoff time don't belong in the discussion.
UM doesn't have the coaching, personnel or even culture to be honest to entertain the possibility of them upsetting OSU. At best they'll lose to OSU and their bowl game to finish with 2 losses. Wins over MSU and PSU aren't a given but I consider them slight favorites in both games at the moment.
I'd like to see other teams in the playoff, but they need to actually be good. The system's broken, would love to see it go back to the way it was in the 90's or expand the playoff to eight teams.
Alabama also lost a game to a middling Texas A&M team. Sorry....but when only four teams make the playoffs....the ones that win their games deserve the right to play. Alabama can play themselves into the playoffs by beating Georgia. If they can't.....two losses.....enjoy a New Year's Bowl and be better next year.Blindly ranking teams by record leads to poor playoff matchups and encourages scheduling OOC cupcakes. Check out the Sagarin ranking of Alabama and Cincy and then compare it to the illogical AP and Coaches polls. There's a reason for the disparity. Would Cincy be undefeated right now if they played Alabama's schedule? It's not black and white.
As for your UM/OSU claims.....I agree. Which is why OSU should be expected to win out. There isn't a team in the Big Ten that should be able to run with them.....but Michigan is probably the closest. And if Michigan beats OSU....they'll be undefeated and will likely represent the East in the championship. There'd be no scenario in which a zero or one loss Michigan team that beat OSU straight up would be left out in favor of a two loss OSU team. No chance.
The fact is.....with only four teams in the playoffs.....almost every week in the NCAA is a faux playoff game. But teams like Alabama and OSU are given the benefit of the doubt already and year after year top the list of one loss teams when the playoffs are determined. What would be broken would be for the committee to ignore regular season results and award teams that don't play great during that stretch. Eventually the playoffs will be expanded and the best two loss teams might sneak in. But until that point....it's just not going to happen....nor should it.
1) OSUSome of us have been putting the Buckeyes at #1 since week 1. Don't agree with the idea of beat downs. OSU is not quite as dominate on defense as past years but could get there eventually. No one in the Big Ten has recruited as well as Ohio State for like 15 years.
2-14) LOL
It's just like every other year where the rest of the conference is pedestrian. College football is broken. It was laughable that Iowa got to spend a week ranked #2. Every other major conference is basically the same 9 times out of 10. It wouldn't bother me if OSU or Alabama made the playoff with two losses. It would be criminal if they were left out. They're still better than any other team you could slide in there. Let the best teams play and we can quit pretending that teams like Cincy have any business in the discussion.
If you somehow disagree watch the movie Groundhog Day then just hang in there for a few more weeks until OSU gets the chance to murder PSU, MSU, UM and the West champion. OSU is saving their biggest beatdown for UM to make up for not getting the chance last year. Harbaugh will stand on the sidelines with a dumbfounded look on his face and in the post game interview try he'll try to pretend he's Bo and speak as if he teleported here from the 1960's. Then they'll lose their bowl game and he'll coach again next year.
Save this post, re-read it in early December and ask yourself how could this man have possibly so accurately foretold the future?
Barry will eventually retire, his replacement will decide to get cute and bring in an air raid guy or something, and then Purdue might have a shot.PURDUE (6) - if Purdue's best team in 15 years can't win at home against Wisconsin's worst in that time, will they ever?
Barry will eventually retire, his replacement will decide to get cute and bring in an air raid guy or something, and then Purdue might have a shot.Eventually, as in June 2021?
We get it, you are not a homer. You don't need to be out-and-out ridiculous to prove it.
- Michigan
- Michigan State
- Iowa
- Ohio State
Blindly ranking teams by record leads to poor playoff matchups and encourages scheduling OOC cupcakes. Check out the Sagarin ranking of Alabama and Cincy and then compare it to the illogical AP and Coaches polls. There's a reason for the disparity. Would Cincy be undefeated right now if they played Alabama's schedule? It's not black and white.
Suggesting that Alabama and OSU receive the benefit of the doubt as if it's unwarranted is a little disingenuous. They are literally two of only three programs that have displayed multiple years of dominance with no other school being close.
Go back and check out the results when Washington, MSU and Notre Dame made the playoffs. They had good seasons, but they were all predictably run off the field. Did they deserve the right to get manhandled or would they have been better off playing in a more competitive New Year's Bowl game?
Since there's only four spots to fill you have to place the most competitive teams. The most competitive teams don't always win their conference and finish the season undefeated.
A two loss Alabama or OSU would destroy an undefeated Cincy, SMU, WF, UTSA, and San Diego St. They would also beat an undefeated MSU, UM and Oklahoma 8 times out of 10. There is years of data to support this. College football is a small handful of haves and a shitload of have nots.@um1963 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1882) First of all, welcome to CFB51! Always good to see new faces here.
If you want to watch competitive games during the playoff then you have to leave the have nots at home.
@um1963 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1882) First of all, welcome to CFB51! Always good to see new faces here.FWIW, I think that a 2-loss tOSU, Bama, or ANY other P5 Champion should absolutely go to the CFP ahead of an undefeated Cincy. Lets look at Cincy and since this is a B1G board I'll start with the B1G team that they played, Indiana.
As someone new here, the debate we're having is essentially something that has been rehashed back and forth here over many years, and is a microcosm of the same debate being rehashed across the college football world over the years...
Should the BCS/CFP teams be the "best teams" in the country, or should they be the "most deserving teams" in the country?
I agree with you that a 2-loss Alabama or OSU is the "better" team than any even undefeated G5 team, and is a "better" team than quite a few 1-loss conference champions. That doesn't mean they "deserve" a slot in a 4-team playoff.
The CFP is a balance between best and most deserving. Losing twice means you don't deserve entry to such a rarified field. Even if you're one of the 4 best in the country.
FWIW, I think that a 2-loss tOSU, Bama, or ANY other P5 Champion should absolutely go to the CFP ahead of an undefeated Cincy. Lets look at Cincy and since this is a B1G board I'll start with the B1G team that they played, Indiana.Gotta say, the logic is poor on this post. You compare 2019 OSU, one of the most statistically dominant teams in college football history, to a good but not great Cincy team that finished 11-3. OSU that year beat every single team they played (besides Clemson) by double digits. You then use that to say any P5 champ deserves a bid over Cincy. So you are saying Pitt, or Wake Forest, automatically deserve a nod over what may be a superior Cincy team, solely because they are in a "superior" conference. Further, OSU won a national championship with a very hairy win over Cincinnati, so even using just those two teams, not sure the comparison holds.
Cincy won the game 38-24.
- Indiana led 7-0 at the end of the first quarter.
- In the second quarter Indiana scored another TD while Cincy scored a TD and a FG.
- Indiana led 14-10 at the half.
- Cincy took their first lead late in the third quarter at 17-4 then Indiana scored on the ensuing drive to regain the lead 21-17.
- Cincy regained the lead by returning the kickoff after IU retook the lead but missed the XP and thus led 23-21.
- Cincy took the lead for good in the fourth quarter at 30-24.
- Cincy scored a late TD to ice the game and won 38-24 after getting the 2pt conversion.
Compare to the B1G teams that the Hoosiers have played:
- Ohio State won by 33 more points, scoring 16 more and giving up 17 less. Ohio State never trailed, took the lead for good in the first quarter, and led 44-7 at halftime.
- Iowa won by 14 more points, scoring 4 less and giving up 18 less. Iowa never trailed, took the lead for good in the first quarter, and led 31-3 at halftime.
- Penn State won by 10 more points, scoring 14 less but giving up 24 less. Penn State never trailed, took the lead for good in the second quarter, and led 14-0 at halftime.
- MSU won by 9 less, scoring 18 less and giving up 9 less. MSU took the lead for good in the third quarter.
The Cincy/IU game was competitive and either team could have won. The IU/MSU game was similarly competitive and either team could have won. Indiana's games against tOSU, Iowa, and Penn State were one-sided blowouts in which tOSU, Iowa, and PSU were obviously vastly superior teams.
Now you could argue that tOSU faced a depleted IU to which I'd say ok, ignore tOSU and explain Iowa/PSU.
If you want an illustration of the EVERY YEAR gap between the top of the G5 and the top of the P5 simply look at Cincy two years ago. The 2019 Bearcats were one of the best teams in all of the G5. Memphis was that year's AAC Champion and G5 rep in the CFP Bowls. Cincy played Memphis twice both in Memphis and both were competitive games with Memphis winning by 10 and 5 points.
What would have happened if Cincy had played a top P5 school that year? Well, you don't need to speculate, they did. Cincy played Ohio State on September 7 and got absolutely annihilated. The Buckeyes led 28-0 at halftime and cruised to a 42-0 win. The Buckeyes outgained Cincy 508-273 and had more first downs 31-13. These stats were even more slanted while the game was still plausibly in doubt. Cincy had six possessions in the first half. One of them went for 12 plays and 66 yards and resulted in a blocked 32 yard FG. The other five:
- 3 plays, 2 yards, punt
- 4 plays, 15 yards, punt
- 3 plays, 2 yards, punt
- 4 plays, 19 yards, punt
- 4 plays, 19 yards, punt
FWIW, I think that a 2-loss tOSU, Bama, or ANY other P5 Champion should absolutely go to the CFP ahead of an undefeated Cincy. Lets look at Cincy and since this is a B1G board I'll start with the B1G team that they played, Indiana.Don't care.
Cincy won the game 38-24.
- Indiana led 7-0 at the end of the first quarter.
- In the second quarter Indiana scored another TD while Cincy scored a TD and a FG.
- Indiana led 14-10 at the half.
- Cincy took their first lead late in the third quarter at 17-4 then Indiana scored on the ensuing drive to regain the lead 21-17.
- Cincy regained the lead by returning the kickoff after IU retook the lead but missed the XP and thus led 23-21.
- Cincy took the lead for good in the fourth quarter at 30-24.
- Cincy scored a late TD to ice the game and won 38-24 after getting the 2pt conversion.
Compare to the B1G teams that the Hoosiers have played:
- Ohio State won by 33 more points, scoring 16 more and giving up 17 less. Ohio State never trailed, took the lead for good in the first quarter, and led 44-7 at halftime.
- Iowa won by 14 more points, scoring 4 less and giving up 18 less. Iowa never trailed, took the lead for good in the first quarter, and led 31-3 at halftime.
- Penn State won by 10 more points, scoring 14 less but giving up 24 less. Penn State never trailed, took the lead for good in the second quarter, and led 14-0 at halftime.
- MSU won by 9 less, scoring 18 less and giving up 9 less. MSU took the lead for good in the third quarter.
The Cincy/IU game was competitive and either team could have won. The IU/MSU game was similarly competitive and either team could have won. Indiana's games against tOSU, Iowa, and Penn State were one-sided blowouts in which tOSU, Iowa, and PSU were obviously vastly superior teams.
Now you could argue that tOSU faced a depleted IU to which I'd say ok, ignore tOSU and explain Iowa/PSU.
If you want an illustration of the EVERY YEAR gap between the top of the G5 and the top of the P5 simply look at Cincy two years ago. The 2019 Bearcats were one of the best teams in all of the G5. Memphis was that year's AAC Champion and G5 rep in the CFP Bowls. Cincy played Memphis twice both in Memphis and both were competitive games with Memphis winning by 10 and 5 points.
What would have happened if Cincy had played a top P5 school that year? Well, you don't need to speculate, they did. Cincy played Ohio State on September 7 and got absolutely annihilated. The Buckeyes led 28-0 at halftime and cruised to a 42-0 win. The Buckeyes outgained Cincy 508-273 and had more first downs 31-13. These stats were even more slanted while the game was still plausibly in doubt. Cincy had six possessions in the first half. One of them went for 12 plays and 66 yards and resulted in a blocked 32 yard FG. The other five:
- 3 plays, 2 yards, punt
- 4 plays, 15 yards, punt
- 3 plays, 2 yards, punt
- 4 plays, 19 yards, punt
- 4 plays, 19 yards, punt
@um1963 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1882) First of all, welcome to CFB51! Always good to see new faces here.Honestly I don't believe deserving should be part of the conversation, I only wrote that in response to a previous comment. As long as it is call the FBS Playoff Rankings then I expect the best teams to make the playoffs. If they want to veer into deserving then just rename it the FBS Playoff Standings and be done with it. Come the end of the season there is enough data for the committee to look at the teams and ask if a team is really talented enough to play a competitive game in the playoffs.
As someone new here, the debate we're having is essentially something that has been rehashed back and forth here over many years, and is a microcosm of the same debate being rehashed across the college football world over the years...
Should the BCS/CFP teams be the "best teams" in the country, or should they be the "most deserving teams" in the country?
I agree with you that a 2-loss Alabama or OSU is the "better" team than any even undefeated G5 team, and is a "better" team than quite a few 1-loss conference champions. That doesn't mean they "deserve" a slot in a 4-team playoff.
The CFP is a balance between best and most deserving. Losing twice means you don't deserve entry to such a rarified field. Even if you're one of the 4 best in the country.
Honestly I don't believe deserving should be part of the conversation, I only wrote that in response to a previous comment. As long as it is call the FBS Playoff Rankings then I expect the best teams to make the playoffs. If they want to veer into deserving then just rename it the FBS Playoff Standings and be done with it. Come the end of the season there is enough data for the committee to look at the teams and ask if a team is really talented enough to play a competitive game in the playoffs.This.
Schedules are greatly unbalanced, this absolutely has to be taken into consideration. A two loss Alabama or OSU with their schedules in the two toughest divisions is much more impressive than an undefeated Cincy all day every day.
For a mid major to be taken seriously for the playoffs they need a killer OOC schedule and come out on top because their conference schedule is mostly garbage. But at best they schedule one helmet school then whine if they run the table and get left out. That's on their athletic director, not the P5 schools that out perform everyone else year after year, to play a schedule challenging enough to show that they are in fact one of the top four teams in the nation.
Gotta say, the logic is poor on this post. You compare 2019 OSU, one of the most statistically dominant teams in college football history, to a good but not great Cincy team that finished 11-3. OSU that year beat every single team they played (besides Clemson) by double digits. You then use that to say any P5 champ deserves a bid over Cincy. So you are saying Pitt, or Wake Forest, automatically deserve a nod over what may be a superior Cincy team, solely because they are in a "superior" conference. Further, OSU won a national championship with a very hairy win over Cincinnati, so even using just those two teams, not sure the comparison holds.Gotta say you just don't like the facts.
I admit a top P5 school is BETTER than Cincy. But if you don't even let them in at that point? Just break it into two divisions and officially block them out of ever appearing in the CFP. Because you'll NEVER let them in if you don't let them in over a 2-loss P5 helmet.If it were up to me they wouldn't be locked out forever and always but they would HAVE to play a decent schedule to be considered. Playing one top-35 team and winning just doesn't prove anything to me for two reasons:
Gotta say you just don't like the facts.Speaking of facts:
2019 tOSU was really good because the top P5 teams are really good. 2002 tOSU had a lot of close games, so what.
You didn't bother to address the current year fact that when Cincy played IU it was a dogfight. If you watched IU all season you probably shut the tOSU, IA, and PSU games off at halftime when the Hoosiers trailed 44-7, 31-3, and 14-0 respectively. In the Cincy game they led 14-10 at the half. IU is currently 0-4 in the B1G and Cincy is roughly at their level. If Cincy were a B1G team they wouldn't even be ranked. Instead they are fat on cupcakes and idiots rank them #2.
Why were Ohio State, Penn State, and Iowa all able to wipe the floor with Indiana and play backups in the second half while Cincy didn't take their first lead until the third quarter and trailed in the fourth? The answer is obvious if you allow yourself to see it.
Cincinnati has done everything they can do to deserve inclusion in the CFP. And they scheduled one of the toughest OOC schedules to try and show they were one of the best teams as well.This would be a really good argument if it were true but as you know, it is false. You can't schedule an FCS team in your OOC then argue that you scheduled a tough OOC.
This.I wasn't aware of this, thanks for sharing Medina. Guess I was still a little too young to see this play out. I would like to see more up and coming schools take this approach. A limited four team playoff just isn't the platform to find out if a team is any good.
If you want to be included, do what FSU did back in the day and take an "anyone, anywhere" approach to scheduling.
In 1981 independent FSU went on a five-game road trip of:They wanted to be included in the NC discussion so they made a contender schedule. They beat tOSU, ND, and LSU but lost to Nebraska and Pitt. At least they tried. When your second best game is against #36 you don't have an argument.
- @ Nebraska on 9/19
- @ Ohio State on 10/3
- @ Notre Dame on 10/10
- @ Pitt on 10/17 (this was when Pitt was good)
- @ LSU on 10/24
Open your eyes and you shall see. NONE of the ranked G5 schools play decent schedules and the gap between their schedules and even a mediocre P5 schedule is humongous.*ack*
- 63 Wake Forest
- 66 Pitt
- 69 Oregon
- 70 Kentucky
- 75 SMU
- 79 Cincy
There really is no incentive for G5 schools to schedule like that today.And that is NOT something the sport should promote. That encourages a minimization of quality games as everyone tries to get the best W/L record they can since SoS is apparently irrelevant.
UC might be in this year, without the killer schedule. That will become the model.
If we effectively bar them from even participating, the system is broken. This Bearcat team has one 3 point loss to a top 10 Georgia team in the last two years. They are really good.Last January 24-21 to Georgia
Cincinnati has done everything they can do to deserve inclusion in the CFP.
This would be a really good argument if it were true but as you know, it is false. You can't schedule an FCS team in your OOC then argue that you scheduled a tough OOC.
Cincy's OOC included an FCS team (Murray State), a bad MAC school (Miami, OH), a mediocre (at best) B1G school (IU) and Notre Dame. Per the rankings that I posted above, their OOC was:By way of comparison, tOSU's OOC was:
- #8 Notre Dame
- #57 Indiana
- #95 Miami, OH
- FCS
- #10 Oregon
- #71 Tulsa
- #119 Akron
I'm not even sure that Cincy's OOC is better overall than Ohio State's. ND and Oregon are roughly equivalent. Indiana is better than Tulsa and Miami, OH is better than Akron but Cincy also has that FCS team and Murray State isn't even a good FCS team, they are 3-4 with the other three losses coming to BGSU, UT-Martin, and Austin Peay.
Even if I simply concede that UC's OOC is vastly better than Ohio State's it OBVIOUSLY is not anywhere near enough to make up for the fact that their best league opponent is #36. Ohio State has three league opponents in the top-15.
I don't vouch for this link (https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/resources/ncaaf-strength-schedule-rankings/), it was simply the first thing that came up when I googled "fbs sos rankings" but using their SOS rankings, here is the current AP Top-25 with each team's SoS ranking:
- Georgia - 29
- Cincy - 78
- Bama - 50
- Oklahoma - 38
- Ohio State - 33
- Michigan - 13
- Oregon - 69
- Michigan State - 40
- Iowa - 12
- Ole Miss - 10
- Notre Dame - 9
- Kentucky - 70
- Wake Forest - 63
- aTm - 17
- OkSU - 5
- Baylor - 6
- Pitt - 66
- Auburn - 3
- SMU - 75 <- best G5
- Penn State - 26
- SDSU - 115
- Iowa State - 20
- UTSA - 126
- CCU - 121
- BYU - 81
Since you excel at not seeing things you don't want to see I'll reorganize that list by SoS ranking:
- 3 Auburn
- 5 OkSU
- 6 Baylor
- 9 Notre Dame
- 10 Ole Miss
- 12 Iowa
- 13 Michigan
- 17 aTm
- 20 Iowa State
- 26 Penn State
- 29 Georgia
- 33 Ohio State
- 38 Oklahoma
- 40 Michigan State
- 50 Bama
- 63 Wake Forest
- 66 Pitt
- 69 Oregon
- 70 Kentucky
- 75 SMU
- 79 Cincy
- 81 BYU
- 115 SDSU
- 121 CCU
- 126 UTSA
Open your eyes and you shall see. NONE of the ranked G5 schools play decent schedules and the gap between their schedules and even a mediocre P5 schedule is humongous.
that was last yearBoth teams have the majority of those rosters returning from 9 months previous
*ack*I might have missed a P5 team or two but by my quick reading of the link I shared, the WORST P5 schedules are:
Last January 24-21 to Georgia
I might have missed a P5 team or two but by my quick reading of the link I shared, the WORST P5 schedules are:But your argument is that it simply isn't fair to say, Arizona State, that they could be left out of the playoffs as a P5 champ in favor of Cincinnati. How can that be justified given these numbers?
- #88 ASU
- #70 Kentucky
- #69 Oregon
- #68 WSU
- #67 BC
- #66 Pitt
- #63 Wake
These are not "mediocre" P5 schedules, they are the seven worst P5 schedules in the country. Furthermore, the ranked teams ARE being punished for their weak SoS:
- #70 Kentucky is ranked #12 despite a 6-1 record with the loss at the hands of #1.
- #69 Oregon is ranked #7 despite owning a win over 5-1 #5 tOSU.
- #66 Pitt is ranked #17 despite only having one loss. They are the lowest ranked 1-loss P5.
- #63 Wake is only ranked #13 despite being undefeated. That is five spots behind the next lowest ranked undefeated P5.
SEC teams still schedule FCS opponents.I'm not in favor of FCS opponents for anybody but at least when a P5 team does it their league schedule makes up for it. Bama played Mercer but their league schedule included Florida, Ole Miss, aTm, and Auburn. Cincy played Murray State and their league schedule included . . . crickets.
Give a team that has been perfect on the year a shot....rather than shoehorning a Notre Dame in.Nobody is arguing that Notre Dame should be included. They don't look remotely like a Playoff caliber team. They have a FG win over a horrible FSU, a FG win over a MAC school, a two TD win over Purdue, a good win over UW but that game was closer than the final score, a two score loss to some crappy G5 team, a FG win over a horrible VaTech team, and a two score win over a USC team so bad that they are in the midst of a coaching search. Nothing about that says "Playoffs" to me or anyone else outside the city of South Bend.
But your argument is that it simply isn't fair to say, Arizona State, that they could be left out of the playoffs as a P5 champ in favor of Cincinnati. How can that be justified given these numbers?Arizona State is 5-2/3-1 with a divisional loss to Utah and an embarrassing OOC loss to BYU so:
Schedule like you want it or don't complain when you get relegated to the kids table.this goes for any team left out of the 4 team playoff
The problem with making a gift to UC is that the gift doesn't materialize out of thin air. In order to gift a spot to the tallest midget and giving them an opportunity to get run off the field by a legitimate power you have to deprive a legitimate team of that spot. Right now the team so deprived (per AP rankings) would be tOSU but it doesn't matter if it is tOSU, Michigan, Oregon, Michigan State, Iowa, or Ole Miss. Any one of those teams would wipe the floor with Cincy and have their starters in street clothes kicking back watching the fourth quarter.Well, it all depends on who you're excluding.
But your argument is that it simply isn't fair to say, Arizona State, that they could be left out of the playoffs as a P5 champ in favor of Cincinnati. How can that be justified given these numbers?
Arizona State is 5-2/3-1 with a divisional loss to Utah and an embarrassing OOC loss to BYU so:This is where I get hung up. We'll gladly take a 2-loss conference champion OSU with one OOC and one conference loss and toss them in the playoff. But we won't take a 2-loss conference champion Arizona State, ever.
This is completely irrelevant because they aren't going to win their league.They are in first place! But you could pick any of these teams. Wake Forest plays a bit tougher schedule, and is also undefeated. Do they really deserve it over Cincinnati solely because of that, even if Cincy is much more impressive in their games?
This is where I get hung up. We'll gladly take a 2-loss conference champion OSU with one OOC and one conference loss and toss them in the playoff. But we won't take a 2-loss conference champion Arizona State, ever.Where is it stated they'd take a 2 Loss Buckeye squad? I wouldn't provided everyone else won out or has one loss
Yet another reason for 5+1+2 (or 6+2).
Where is it stated they'd take a 2 Loss Buckeye squad? I wouldn't provided everyone else won out or has one lossI'm saying that if we have three undefeated or 1-loss conference champions, no other 1-loss teams, and a 2-loss B1G champ OSU and a 2-loss PAC champ Arizona State, no matter what the actual scores of any of the games are, OSU will get the benefit of the doubt 100% of the time, and Arizona State 0% of the time. Because we all "know" that Ohio State is better.
Well, it all depends on who you're excluding.I guess my main problem with this argument is that if you are flat out admitting (even if just for the sake of argument) that the 2-loss P5 Champion IS better than the undefeated G5 then to go and argue that the better team should be excluded is just ridiculous to me.
We've been talking about excluding 2-loss teams. I'm not saying that you exclude a 1-loss P5 conference champ or even a 1-loss P5 team that narrowly missed its CCG in order to reward a tallest midget who doesn't have the SOS to justify their spot.
I'm saying that if you get through three spots and you've run out of viable 1-loss P5 teams, I'm taking an undefeated G5 over a 2-loss helmet for that 4th spot. I don't believe a 2-loss team has proven they deserve to be there, even if they're better.
OSU will get the benefit of the doubt 100% of the time, and Arizona State 0% of the time. Because we all "know" that Ohio State is better.Well if they have 2 losses I'd rather see someone else get creamed than get the Spoiler treatment 😎
You'll give some teams a mulligan, but others will never get the same treatment. Because of a big shiny helmet.
This is where I get hung up. We'll gladly take a 2-loss conference champion OSU with one OOC and one conference loss and toss them in the playoff. But we won't take a 2-loss conference champion Arizona State, ever.This sounds like you are assuming that a 2-loss conference champion OSU would actually make it but lets look at tOSU's rankings each year of the CFP:
Yet another reason for 5+1+2 (or 6+2).
I definitely think that a 2-loss P5 Champion will be deserving eventually but we haven't seen it yet. It might not happen until we have a crazy year where everybody loses and the CFP committee has no choice but to take a 2-loss team.And my point is that if that 2-loss team is OSU or Alabama, and everyone else loses, they'll be picked over say an undefeated G5 Cincinnati, or an undefeated G5 UCF in their prime, or an undefeated G5 Boise State in their prime.
They are in first place! But you could pick any of these teams. Wake Forest plays a bit tougher schedule, and is also undefeated. Do they really deserve it over Cincinnati solely because of that, even if Cincy is much more impressive in their games?The problem is that Cincy hasn't been "much more impressive" in their games. They have:
And my point is that if that 2-loss team is OSU or Alabama, and everyone else loses, they'll be picked over say an undefeated G5 Cincinnati, or an undefeated G5 UCF in their prime, or an undefeated G5 Boise State in their prime.unless the undefeated G5 team scheduled all four non-cons from the P5 including a couple that ere ranked at the end of the season
It'll always be "but if the G5 did this", or "but if the G5 did that", we'd totally let them in. But it doesn't happen. It won't happen.
Because there is a G5 glass ceiling.
I'm saying that if we have three undefeated or 1-loss conference champions, no other 1-loss teams, and a 2-loss B1G champ OSU and a 2-loss PAC champ Arizona State, no matter what the actual scores of any of the games are, OSU will get the benefit of the doubt 100% of the time, and Arizona State 0% of the time. Because we all "know" that Ohio State is better.See history:
You'll give some teams a mulligan, but others will never get the same treatment. Because of a big shiny helmet.
This sounds like you are assuming that a 2-loss conference champion OSU would actually make it but lets look at tOSU's rankings each year of the CFP:When is Ohio State going to start getting all these free passes and mulligans?So in the seven years of the CFP the Buckeyes have finished undefeated twice and with one loss five times. That has resulted in four CFP appearances and three near-misses. The Buckeyes have been:
- #4 in 2014 as a 1-loss B1G Champion.
- #7 in 2015 as a 1-loss non-Champion*.
- #3 in 2016 as a 1-loss non-Champion*.
- #5 in 2017 as a 1-loss B1G Champion.
- #6 in 2018 as a 1-loss B1G Champion.
- #2 in 2019 as an undefeated B1G Champion.
- #3 in 2020 as an undefeated B1G Champion.
People act like the Buckeyes get some massive favoritism that gets them a spot automatically but they've only made the CFP 40% of the time when they had one loss.
- Included as an undefeated B1G Champion twice.
- Included as a 1-loss B1G Champion once.
- Excluded as a 1-loss B1G Champion twice.
- Included as a 1-loss non-Champion once.
- Excluded as a 1-loss non-Champion once.
I definitely think that a 2-loss P5 Champion will be deserving eventually but we haven't seen it yet. It might not happen until we have a crazy year where everybody loses and the CFP committee has no choice but to take a 2-loss team.
And just to clarify, my stance here isn't to exclude ASU because they are ASU it is to exclude them because they scheduled an OOC so ridiculously bad that their overall SoS is even worse than some G5 schools.
And my point is that if that 2-loss team is OSU or Alabama, and everyone else loses, they'll be picked over say an undefeated G5 Cincinnati, or an undefeated G5 UCF in their prime, or an undefeated G5 Boise State in their prime.I agree with @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) :
It'll always be "but if the G5 did this", or "but if the G5 did that", we'd totally let them in. But it doesn't happen. It won't happen.
Because there is a G5 glass ceiling.
unless the undefeated G5 team scheduled all four non-cons from the P5 including a couple that ere ranked at the end of the seasonAnd I'll add this:
unless the undefeated G5 team scheduled all four non-cons from the P5 including a couple that ere ranked at the end of the seasonYeah, I can see it now... "Well they beat then #15 Florida who finished unranked, and they beat unranked Indiana, and they beat Virginia Tech and Kentucky, but they finished the season at #21 and #24. Maybe they should schedule a few better teams than that, but those rankings aren't good enough compared to Alabama who beat 4 top 20 teams and only lost to #1 UGA and #10 OU out of conference."
What I think the G5 should do is create a scheduling alliance where one or preferably two of their OOC games are reserved to the end of the season then scheduled against comparable G5 teams. That way the high-end G5 teams could add an SOS boosting game because the practical problem of scheduling is that most of it is done years in advance. When Cincy made their OOC schedule of Miami, OH, MurraySt, Indiana, and Notre Dame their AD probably wasn't think about the CFP at all. He was probably trying to make some money and keep the chances of bowl eligibility reasonably high. Thus, he scheduled Miami, OH and MurraySt which he figured would be two easy wins. Then he scheduled IU which he probably figured was a weak enough B1G team that the Bearcats might have a chance at knocking them off and Notre Dame for money/exposure.
Fast forward from years or a decade ago when the schedule was made to 2021 and all of a sudden the Bearcats are preseason top-10 and they REALLY need a better schedule to prove that they belong but it is too late they are stuck with MiamiOH and MurraySt and now they really have no way to make up for looking pretty lackluster against IU and Navy.
A factor in scheduling for UC of course is who among the G5 wants to play them. They might have tried to schedule say UK and got turned down of course.It should help.
It helps I think that they were competitive with UGA in their bowl game last year.
did UC get a check for traveling to South Bend???Yeah, fun...
how about the trip to Bloomington?
one way to help scheduling is travel w/o $$$
Yeah, fun...what's rigged about earning respect on the field of play?
"We schedule 5-10 years out. There's a chance we might be good at some point, so let's financially destroy our football program to schedule four P5 teams where 9 years out of 10 we'll start 0-4 without even getting a paycheck, in the hopes that maybe, someday, we'll be good enough that the SOS and going undefeated will get us in the playoff. If there are fewer than four 1-loss P5 conf champs (or non-champ) Alabama. That's a great bet."
I love how the answer is always "well they should just do something that's horrifically stupid to overcome this rigged game" instead of fixing the rigged game.
what's rigged about earning respect on the field of play?A PAC, B12, or ACC team will not get left out at 13-0. Cincinnati probably will.
the same issue exists for the PAC and to a certain extent, the Big 12 and could this season for the ACC
their conference schedules don't stack up and they get left out some seasons
I'm just saying that your resume to qualify for the top 4 teams in the nation after the reg season is what you have accomplished on the field of playI get that.
you need to be very impressive to make the top 4
a G5 schedule is tough to overcome
maybe impossible, but whiners are not well received
2 losses is unacceptableI've watched Cincy, Bama and OSU play. I'm fairly confident that Cincy wouldn't beat either of them if they played this year. I think the majority of others who posted here would agree with this assessment. There will be nothing special in Cincy's body of work if they run the table. I'm also fairly confident both OSU and Bama could win out playing Cincy's schedule. So knowing this why bother placing Cincy?
not many programs have done that, regardless of resume
I would also go undefeated UC over a 2 loss tOSU or Bama
I've watched Cincy, Bama and OSU play.In person, or on TV?
The problem is that Cincy hasn't been "much more impressive" in their games. They have:
- A 35 point win over a bad MAC school, Miami, OH: Good win but nothing to write home about for a NC contender.
- A 35 point win over an FCS school, Murray State: I don't care if you beat an FCS team, particularly a BAD FCS team like Murray State by 150 points it is still just a win over an FCS school and I'm not impressed.
- A 14 point win over IU: I covered this at length above but this is clearly NOT impressive for an NC contender. Legitimate power teams that have played IU did MUCH better even before the injury to IU's QB.
- A 9 point win over ND: Ok, I guess this is their big impressive win and it came against a team that barely beat FSU, Toledo, and VaTech.
- A 49 point win over Temple: For comparison, Rutgers beat Temple by 47. Like the win over Miami, OH it is good but nothing to hang your hat on.
- A 35 point win over UCF: I actually think this one is probably more impressive than their win over ND. The 56 points that UC scored is the most given up by UCF all year and the 21 given up to UCF was within a point of the fewest scored by UCF all year.
- A 7 point win over Navy: This is NOT impressive at all. These are not Roger Staubach's Midshipmen. Navy is 1-6 with a 42 point loss to Marhsall, a 20 point loss to Air Force, an 18 point loss to Memphis, an 8 point loss to Houston, and a seven point loss to SMU. If Ohio State had beaten Navy by only a TD they'd have dropped in the polls and SportsCenter would have devoted entire segments to "what is wrong with the Buckeyes". If UC is going to be treated like a legitimate NC contender then that should apply across the board and they should have dropped from #2 to at least #4 for this unimpressive win then had "what is wrong with Cincy" as a major discussion topic of the week. Instead they seem to be given a pass because they are "just Cincy". Like I said upthread it should be one or the other. Either they are a NC contender or they aren't. If they are then dock them for the close win over Navy like you would any other NC contender or they aren't in which case they shouldn't be taking a spot from a legitimate team in the top-10.
I don't know how anyone could say Bammer and OSU would definitely go undefeated on Cincy's schedule, considering they haven't gone undefeated on their own schedule, and TAMU and Oregon aren't any better than Notre Dame.You give Bama and OSU one somewhat challenging game and a cakewalk the rest of the season and they'll role right through that schedule. I'm good with the debate but let's not glorify Cincy's path. It's ok to call a spade a spade.
The difference, obviously, is what they have left and thus what they will have proven by the end of the season.But compare to Wake!
In any event, I don't know how anyone could look at that and conclude it would be "unfair" to poor Wake Forest if they had to run through that murderer's row of opponents and be left out of the playoffs.
- A 32 point win over Old Dominion. Old Dominion has 1 win, over Hampton
- A 25 point win over Norfolk State. FCS school
- A 21 point win over Florida State. FSU is 3-4 and lost to Jacksonville State.
- A 20 point win over Virginia. Virginia is 4-2, and this is easily their best win.
- A 3 point win over Louisville. Louisville is roughly on the level with UCF, who they beat by 7.
- A 3 point win over Syracuse in OT. Syracuse lost by 10 to Rutgers.
- A 14 point win over Army. Army is not a garbage team, though giving up 56 to Army seems humanly impossible. Army lost to Ball State and scored more against Wake than they did against UConn.
In a power ranking, I'd take 7 teams in the top ten over Cincy, easily, and I think they'd all be favored, often by 10+ points.Georgia, Bammer, OSU...after that? Who?
Who deserves to be ranked above Cincy?
- Alabama has the same number of wins over ranked teams and a loss to TAMU
- Oklahoma has struggled with nearly everyone and has no wins over ranked teams
- Ohio State has zero wins over ranked teams and a home loss to Oregon
- Michigan might have the best case, as they are undefeated, though they again have no wins over ranked teams and struggled with Rutgers and Nebraska
- Oregon easily has the best win at OSU, but lost to Stanford and struggled with Fresno State, Cal, and UCLA. If a 14 point win against Indiana is a problem, losing to Stanford is a bigger one
- MSU is also undefeated, but is easily behind Cincy in that they have no wins over ranked teams and struggled with the Hoosiers more than Cincy did
- Iowa certainly in the convo, because they have two wins over ranked teams and whipped Indiana. But they also got whipped by Purdue
- Ole Miss possibly. No wins over ranked teams, and very close wins over Arkansas and Tennessee, and they were blown out by Bama.
Honestly I have a very difficult time seeing much difference at all, if you take results on the field and not recruiting rankings.
This is fine if the season ends today. The problem is that all of those other teams have a big opportunity to improve their resume, while Cincinnati will not. You can play w/ the 538 playoff predictor to see who needs to lose for Cincy to make it.Exactly. Per my extensive review of Cincy's schedule above (page 4 of this thread if you want to have a look), here are Cincy's opponents with their rankings taken from some random site I found on a quick google that ranks all the FBS teams:
This is fine if the season ends today. The problem is that all of those other teams have a big opportunity to improve their resume, while Cincinnati will not. You can play w/ the 538 playoff predictor to see who needs to lose for Cincy to make it.Sure, but you can't rank teams based on who they hypothetically might beat in the future.
Sure, but you can't rank teams based on who they hypothetically might beat in the future.Ranking Cincy now based on accomplishments so far they are, at best, about #10. Their wins over horrible MiamiOH, MurraySt, and Temple prove nothing because those teams are horrible. Their win over IU is better than MSU's but MUCH worse than tOSU's, Iowa's, and PSU's. Their seven point win over a horrible Navy team is a flat out embarrassment if you are treating them as a legitimate NC contender. All that leaves is a 35 point win over UCF which is pretty good but not anything to hang your hat on and then an 11 point win over Notre Dame.
Ranking Cincy now based on accomplishments so far they are, at best, about #10. Their wins over horrible MiamiOH, MurraySt, and Temple prove nothing because those teams are horrible. Their win over IU is better than MSU's but MUCH worse than tOSU's, Iowa's, and PSU's. Their seven point win over a horrible Navy team is a flat out embarrassment if you are treating them as a legitimate NC contender. All that leaves is a 35 point win over UCF which is pretty good but not anything to hang your hat on and then an 11 point win over Notre Dame.But, again, who is better? OSU well behind Cincinnati on the metric of who have you beat. Same for a lot of teams.
I guess a lot of this hinges on what you think of Notre Dame and I think they are massively overrated. Their only impressive win based on score is the 28 point win over Wisconsin but even there the Badgers had a fourth quarter lead and the game was within one score until less than 10 minutes remained.
If you view Notre Dame the way I view Notre Dame then UC doesn't really have any significant accomplishments so all you are left with is comparing scores against crappy teams and they don't stack up very well there.
Sure, but you can't rank teams based on who they hypothetically might beat in the future.Why not? I think you can rank teams based on whatever you want.
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Why not? I think you can rank teams based on whatever you want.Well sure, we could rank them alphabetically. But the idea that it is outrageous to rank Cincy #2 certainly hasn't been backed up by much.
Oregon was a 2 point dog at UCLA, got the upset and won by 3. Have a hard time seeing them getting more than a couple against Cincinnati.
I think every team down to Michigan State would be a 7-14 point favorite over Cincinnati. The last three would be close.
I'm fine with Cincy at #2. But, I don't think they are the second best team out there obviously.They are fourth in the computer composite
In any POWER ranking, they would be, and are, 7-8-9.
Ranking Cincy now based on accomplishments so far they are, at best, about #10. Their wins over horrible MiamiOH, MurraySt, and Temple prove nothing because those teams are horrible. Their win over IU is better than MSU's but MUCH worse than tOSU's, Iowa's, and PSU's. Their seven point win over a horrible Navy team is a flat out embarrassment if you are treating them as a legitimate NC contender. All that leaves is a 35 point win over UCF which is pretty good but not anything to hang your hat on and then an 11 point win over Notre Dame.ND barely beat FSU, Toledo and VT yet they're the cornerstone for the Cincy dynasty in this thread.
I guess a lot of this hinges on what you think of Notre Dame and I think they are massively overrated. Their only impressive win based on score is the 28 point win over Wisconsin but even there the Badgers had a fourth quarter lead and the game was within one score until less than 10 minutes remained.
If you view Notre Dame the way I view Notre Dame then UC doesn't really have any significant accomplishments so all you are left with is comparing scores against crappy teams and they don't stack up very well there.
Composite computer rankings - 8 computers (last week in parentheses)That's and effed up computer to have Oregon at 19 and tOSU @ 5 with the same W/L record.And M at no 2 ahead of Bama..Lucy is about to pull the football from in front of Charie Brown
That's and effed up computer to have Oregon at 19 and tOSU @ 5 with the same W/L record.And M at no 2 ahead of Bama..Lucy is about to pull the football from in front of Charie BrownThat #2 ranking has been a disaster all season. We've had Oklahoma, Clemson, Iowa, Cincy and Michigan in that spot. Who gets to be the fake #2 next?
That's and effed up computer to have Oregon at 19 and tOSU @ 5 with the same W/L record.
Massey Composite RankingsIt was a typo, supposed to be 87 computers
1 Georgia
2 Michigan
3 Alabama
4 Cincy
5 Ohio St
6 Iowa
7 Oklahoma
8 Notre Dame
9 Mississippi
10 Wake Forest
11 MSU
I think it is the same as ELA's 8 computers, but Massey has 40 computers.
In the top 5 I think Michigan and Alabama should move down a bit and let Ohio State move up. We will find out if Iowa belongs in the upper crust this weekend. Iowa's QB wears boots and is raking damp cement; he has had little protection; and his coordinator is protected by nepotism.
That #2 ranking has been a disaster all season. We've had Oklahoma, Clemson, Iowa, Cincy and Michigan in that spot. Who gets to be the fake #2 next?Michigan State?