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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: Thumper on October 19, 2021, 12:22:00 PM
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TT (-1) vs KSU. Betting line is close. I'll take TT in this one.
#3 OU (-38) vs KU. I'll take OU :34:. I expect to see a lot of Rattler in this one.
ISU (-4.5) vs #8 OSU. Interesting. Oddsmakers are not that impressed with 6-0 #8 OSU. I think a little more highly of them. I'll take OSU SU. Major implications for the CCG in this one.
TCU vs WVU. I didn't see a line on this one. Sooners have beaten both. I'll take TCU at home.
Bye week for UT & Baylor.
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K-State at TTU: Home team wins.
OU at Kansas: OU, but I doubt if the Sooners cover the 38-point spread.
FoSu at ISU: Home team wins. If the Pokes win, I think they'll go into Bedlam unbeaten.
WVU at TCU: Home team wins.
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K-State at TTU: Home team wins.
OU at Kansas: OU, but I doubt if the Sooners cover the 38-point spread.
FoSu at ISU: Home team wins. If the Pokes win, I think they'll go into Bedlam unbeaten.
WVU at TCU: Home team wins.
It is kinda hard to give 38 points
glad I dont actually bet on football
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This is what killed the Big 12. All those games seem mind numbingly dull.
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Meh.
Any combination of games including Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, or Tennessee, also seem mind-numbingly dull. I'm only interested in Texas A&M because my wife went there. Really, anything in the SEC other than Alabama or Georgia, looks pretty dull to me.
I'm glad Texas is moving to the SEC for the chance to play old rivals, and maybe get in some games against the powers in Alabama and Georgia. I'm most certainly NOT excited about playing Ole Miss or Miss State. Like, ever.
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Meh. You’re just trading boring games vs Kansas and Iowa State for the same thing with Ol Miss and South Carolina.
Every game every week can’t be a marquee one. There will be plenty of quality games and plenty of boring games.
I enjoyed our time in the Big 12 but culturally, for A&M, we’re a much better fit in the SEC.
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The SEC games this week are boring as well. LSU at Ole Miss might be the most "interesting" just to see if LSU is "back" at all (I doubt it).
Tenn plays AT Bama in a "name your score" game. USCe at A&M? Meh.
The SEC is going to have four former Big 12/8/SWC teams interestingly.
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Meh. You’re just trading boring games vs Kansas and Iowa State for the same thing with Ol Miss and South Carolina.
Every game every week can’t be a marquee one. There will be plenty of quality games and plenty of boring games.
I enjoyed our time in the Big 12 but culturally, for A&M, we’re a much better fit in the SEC.
Well yes, that's my point. I don't see anything in the SEC that's particularly more interesting than the B12. It'll be a good move for Texas for many reasons, but playing the Kentuckys and Miss States ain't one of them.
And I absolutely agree with A&M being a good cultural fit with the SEC. That has both positive, and negative, connotations.
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UK has been pretty salty of late in football, some good coaching up there I think. Vandy this year is as bad as I recall their being, ever. I thought Mizzou might be half decent this year, but .... South Carolina is a dumpster fire unlikely to change much and Tenn despite their "history" is, well, not much better than USCe apparently.
Arky is on the up despite recent Ls, but won't be in Bama land. Ole Miss and MSU are interesting at least. We all know the SEC patina gets spread around the league to teams that frankly are not interesting.
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UK has been pretty salty of late in football, some good coaching up there I think. Vandy this year is as bad as I recall their being, ever. I thought Mizzou might be half decent this year, but .... South Carolina is a dumpster fire unlikely to change much and Tenn despite their "history" is, well, not much better than USCe apparently.
Arky is on the up despite recent Ls, but won't be in Bama land. Ole Miss and MSU are interesting at least. We all know the SEC patina gets spread around the league to teams that frankly are not interesting.
Right. Again, this is my point.
You say UK is pretty good, and arkanpig is on the rise. Similarly, Iowa State is pretty good, and Oklahoma State is undefeated. But they're not name brands, nor do they enjoy the SEC halo, so nobody gets overly excited to see them.
Playing fun, competitive football, has never been the B12's problem. It has had it in spades.
Marketing has long been one of the major problems for the conference.
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And specifically for Texas, the past decade of losing to teams like Baylor, ISU, oSu, KSU, TCU, WVU, has done severe damage to the perception of the program, despite the fact that in many years those teams have been good-to-very good.
If Texas had been losing SEC games to similarly good but not great teams, the perception of the losses and the program, wouldn't be as bad. This phenomenon is one of the key reasons Texas ended up making the move. The "SEC patina" will be positive for the program, even if it's not winning a lot of football games.
I mean, look what it did for the woeful ags in recent years. Their conference win% is almost identical in the SEC, to what it was in the B12. But the perception of all that mediocrity, has been better than the reality, due to playing in the SEC.
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Yup. I'd put OkState well ahead of Arky this year, and in the recent past, and UK is probably not as good as Iowa State. Right now, the SEC pretty much stinketh overall, with two solid teams at the top, a la OSu and UM of yore.
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I've seen SEC refs. Other than giving preferential treatment to Alabama and whoever else they think has a shot at the CFP, they're better than most other conferences' refs.
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yup, I suspect fans, players, and coaches from ALL conferences think their refs could use an upgrade
I know the Big 12 did a decade ago and the B1G does today
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CFN predicts FoSu 23, ISU 20. That's probably the game of the week in the Big 12.
https://collegefootballnews.com/2021/10/oklahoma-state-vs-iowa-state-prediction-game-preview-lines-how-to-watch
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Refs make errors. We tend to remember those that go against our team.
I used to ref soccer, of all things, it wasn't easy, and that was kids, up to U18, rec.
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This IS a week of boring games overall. For most of us the only interesting games are ones that affect our teams. Kansas is an awful team but they are a conference foe so it does count for the Sooners. OSU/ISU has championship implications so that is interesting for Big 12 fans. Outside of those, nothing I care to watch this week.
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Even out of conference there isn't much of note, this vacuum is a bit unusual, usually there iis one game somewhere that looks interesting. I don't see a single game with ranked teams playing.
Cincy at Navy could be interesting, probably not.
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I like the Okie st Iowa st game the best because of the home state and the ol Big 8 foes
after that??? ...........will be interesting to see if
Clemson will lose a 3rd game vs a decent Pitt team at Pitt
and of course a competitive USC @ Notre Dame game can be good
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Yeah, Oklahoma State bears watching a bit to see how long they can run, along with Michigan State I think, I imagine we keep waiting for them to lose somewhere.
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This IS a week of boring games overall. For most of us the only interesting games are ones that affect our teams. Kansas is an awful team but they are a conference foe so it does count for the Sooners. OSU/ISU has championship implications so that is interesting for Big 12 fans. Outside of those, nothing I care to watch this week.
I think that the most interesting aspect of OU at Kansas is how much and how well Spencer Rattler plays.
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doesn't really matter vs Kansas
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But everything else about the game figures to be even less interesting than that.
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The situation with Rattler is fascinating, one of several unexpected QB stories around the country.
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Well, OU-Kansas was far more "interesting" than it had a right to be.
OU has to regroup on defense. Right now they are regressing. They made the KU QB look like Joe Montana.
Injuries are part of that, but that's not the whole problem.
We've had bad tackling since Brent Venable was our DC. And when Mike Stoops came back we had it. And now with Alex Grinch as the DC we have it. The position coaches have changed over time too. But the bad tackling is perennial.
I think that oSu got a bad spot on the 4th-and-2 play on its last possession.
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I think that the most interesting aspect of OU at Kansas is how much and how well Spencer Rattler plays.
Welp, I didn't care for that aspect at all.
This was one ugly win and a very ugly 8-0. I'm not a "fire the coach" kind of guy but someone has to take control of the secondary. Way too many years of guys not being able to cover or tackle.
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Welp, I didn't care for that aspect at all.
This was one ugly win and a very ugly 8-0. I'm not a "fire the coach" kind of guy but someone has to take control of the secondary. Way too many years of guys not being able to cover or tackle.
wake me up when you lose a game
till then Ill be over here griping about real problems with my Horns
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The way it looks, I'll be waking you up to watch an ISU/OSU rematch in the CCG with me.
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The Sooners are very banged-up on defense. Several freshmen are starting. That is somewhat of an explanation for being lined up wrong or not understanding one's responsibilities.
But it's not an explanation for bad tackling.
The bye in 2 weeks will be a good thing.
But, in the meantime, there's Texas Tech. Not a good team, but a potentially dangerous one.
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That fumble handoff thingie near the end was weird. Never seen anything quite like that. The fact that KU was getting pressure behind the LOS was strange as well.
It’s not unusual for a top team to have such a close call against a terrible opponent. It’s just strange that a team as great as OU would play so badly against a historically bad KU team.