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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on October 08, 2021, 04:58:01 PM
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Link to last week's rankings (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1g-power-rankings-week-5-24192/).
Votes through me, 13 voters:
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Drop the high and low:
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Schedule/performance table:
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GOTY progression:
- Preseason: #1 tOSU vs #2 UW not scheduled, maybe B1GCG
- Week 1: #1 tOSU vs #2 PSU 10/30 in Columbus
- Week2: #1 Iowa vs #2 PSU 10/9 in Iowa City
- Week 3: #1 PSU at #2 Iowa 10/9 in Iowa City
- Week 4: #1 PSU at #2 tOSU 10/30 in Columbus
- Week 5: #1 Iowa vs #2 tOSU not scheduled, maybe B1GCG
- Week 6: #1 Iowa vs #2 tOSU not scheduled, maybe B1GCG
COTY progression:
- Week 1: Tucker with Locksley and Schiano chasing
- Week 2: Tucker with Schiano and Ferentz chasing
- Week 3: Tucker with Schiano and Ferentz chasing
- Week 4: Tucker all alone with Schiano and Locksley well behind
- Week 5: Tucker all alone with Schiano and Locksley well behind
- Week 6: Tucker all alone with Frost and Ferentz well behind
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1. Iowa: By hook or by crook, Kinnick steals your heart.
2. Penn State: If Clifford is healthy, they are #1. If he isn't healthy, they are, uh, definitely not that. Haven't heard what is up with him, so here they be.
3. Ohio State: I said I'd move them up if they played good defense against Maryland, and they did. They aren't world beaters defensively, but they've moved from Bad to Kind of Good, Actually. Also the offense has a chance to be the best in school history, so that also helps the cause.
4. Michigan: Won a tough game on the road, and will be a tough out for everybody. Some fun games coming up.
5. Michigan State: Handled Rutgers with their own big plays. Offense really playing well - 588 yards against Rutgers is no joke.
6. Nebraska: Here is a team that probably should have beaten the two teams in front of them, but feels snake bit. They need a seance or something.
7. Wisconsin: Defense still good, offense still questionable. Ran the ball all over Illinois, managed only 100 yards passing.
8. Minnesota: I guess, gets pretty rough here.
9. Purdue: Struggles to score, but plays some defense. Not the Purdue we expected.
10. Maryland: Two games of getting their socks shot off, let's see if they can get healthy over the bye.
11. Rutgers: Punchy against Michigan, might have punched themselves out.
12. Indiana: Have struggled, and now they get MSU and OSU.
13. Illinois: Road kill against Wisconsin.
14. Northwestern: Splat
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1. OSU - I know I hinted at maybe moving the winner of PSU-IOWA up to #1, but OSU just seems to have taken its play to a whole other level in the last couple of weeks.
2. Iowa - down 17-3 to PSU, Iowa passed several tests, including the key question, how would Iowa respond if it was ever down 2 TDs? IOWA used defense, offense, special teams, injuries, and home field advantage to pull off a special comeback. Would Iowa beat PSU on neutral field with a healthy Clifford? That's a tough question, I know Clifford got hurt on a sack attempt, but Clifford kept several drives alive by running for first downs or TDs himself. He might get hurt again if PSU tried that strategy again in a rematch. Iowa needs to avoid coming out flat against Purdue this week.
3. PSU - see above. I hope for PSU's sake that Clifford can come back ASAP. I believe that the PSU-Iowa game showed that teams have forgotten how to play in front of loud crowds on the road. Another strange after effect from the pandemic
4. MSU - this is a close call between Mich and MSU. Boith have close victories over Neb, MSU at home, Mich on road, but MSU beat Rut much more soundly. They will settle this on the field in 2 weeks.
5. Mich - see above
6. Neb - good enough to lose by 3 to both MSU and Mich.
7. Wisc - solid win over ILL
8. Minn. - Never know what to do with Minnesota. I will keep putting them in middle
9. Ind - we know Indy is not a top 25 team but are they good enough to beat Rut and MD?
10. Rut -- not looking good against Big Ten's big boys
11. MD - not looking good against the Big Ten's big boys.
12. Pur - Purdue has a golden opportunity this week to catch Iowa flat after Iowa's highly emotional win over PSU.
13. ILL - was not competitive against Wiscy after close losses to MD and Pur.
14. NW - maybe NW can start getting its stuff together after a much needed bye week.
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IMHO,I don't think iowa passed any tests they were on their way to getting throttled early @ home before a very good Sean Clifford went out.That's a game changer literally and i had the Hawks winning.They may be crowned king of a very weak west but i'd be shocked if the BTC doesn't come out of the east.Hawks may improve and if injury free could project another narrative but right now I'm not seeing it
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1. Ohio State
2. Iowa
3. Michigan State
4. Michigan
5. Penn State
6. Wisconsin
7. Nebraska
8. Rutgers
9. Minnesota
10. Indiana
11. Maryland
12. Purdue
13. Illinois
14. Northwestern
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IMHO,I don't think iowa passed any tests they were on their way to getting throttled early @ home before a very good Sean Clifford went out.That's a game changer literally and i had the Hawks winning.They may be crowned king of a very weak west but i'd be shocked if the BTC doesn't come out of the east.Hawks may improve and if injury free could project another narrative but right now I'm not seeing it
Agree thats its hard to discount just how bad PSU's backup QB played in front of a hostile crowd. Without Clifford, PSU had no chance to score in the 4Q.
But Iowa's defense usually does a good job at adjusting against whatever teams throw at them and shut it down in the 2nd half. Its too simple to say Iowa's defense would not have adjusted if Clifford didn't get hurt.
Iowa has won 12 games in a row, including beating its last 6 ranked opponents. Only 2 wins have been by less than 1 score. At some point, you need to give Iowa some credit.
With all that said, PSU's backup QB did make it a LOT easier for Iowa to come back. No argument there.
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1. Ohio State
2. Iowa
3. Michigan
4. Penn State
5. Michigan State
6. Nebraska
7. Wisconsin
8. Minnesota
9. Rutgers
10. Maryland
11. Purdue
12. Indiana
13. Illinoi
14. Northwetern
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At some point, you need to give Iowa some credit.
I do as I said i had them winning but after review on the flip side PSU counters with something,there was just too big a swing in mojo after SC's injury.It was 17-3 and Lions appeared to be moving again. If Clifford gets back soon it's not out of the realm that there could be a rematch. Good luck to both teams moving forward
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I do as I said i had them winning but after review on the flip side PSU counters with something,there was just too big a swing in mojo after SC's injury.It was 17-3 and Lions appeared to be moving again. If Clifford gets back soon it's not out of the realm that there could be a rematch. Good luck to both teams moving forward
Clifford got hit on 3rd down, PSU kicked a field goal on the next play. Iowa scored a TD on the next drive. It was a one score game, 17-10, when the PSU backup took his first snap.
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You realize how losing your top player can trickle down to the play of others?Perhaps Clifford throws a td strike - we don't know.Pulling closer with Clifford still in? - I'd take that bet - good luck but ferentz already got some of that
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My point is, they weren't on their way to getting throttled, as you suggest. I'm sure you watch a lot of football, but I don't think you've watched much of Iowa. They don't give up many second half points and they very, very rarely get blown out.
With Clifford, I think PSU gets a second half TD and wins the game, but I don't think they would have broken 30 points.
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1) Ohio State (2)
2) Penn State (1) - I'm going to assume Clifford comes back for their next game in two weeks. If he's out long term, they move down.
3) Iowa (4) - I told myself if Iowa won, I'd finally believe, but they found a way to win and still leave me feeling skeptical.
4) Michigan (3)
5) Michigan State (5)
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6) Wisconsin (6)
7) Nebraska (9)
8) Maryland (7)
9) Rutgers (8)
10) Minnesota (10)
11) Indiana (11)
12) Purdue (12)
13) Illinois (13)
14) Northwestern (14)
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I do as I said i had them winning but after review on the flip side PSU counters with something,there was just too big a swing in mojo after SC's injury.It was 17-3 and Lions appeared to be moving again. If Clifford gets back soon it's not out of the realm that there could be a rematch. Good luck to both teams moving forward
Fair enough. I wish PSU and Iowa good luck as well and hope PSU gets Clifford back as soon as possible.
Looking at the Big Ten East right now, only Ohio State sticks out to me. I believe they are the only team capable of blowing out Iowa and scoring over 30 points on Iowa's defense. Mich and MSU are good teams but can barely beat Nebraska. I don't believe they are much better than PSU or Iowa.
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Looking at the Big Ten East right now, only Ohio State sticks out to me. I believe they are the only team capable of blowing out Iowa and scoring over 30 points on Iowa's defense. Mich and MSU are good teams but can barely beat Nebraska. I don't believe they are much better than PSU or Iowa.
Kind of agree here. Ohio State is the only team in the whole league that scares me. They have so many skill weapons- it's insane. CJ Stroud looks better and better the more he plays and gains experience and the healthier he gets. Their WR crew is ridiculous. Wilson, Olave, and Smith-Njigba would all be the #1 WR on virtually every other team in the conference. TreVeyon Henderson is a stud of a RB, looking like he is by far the best RB they've had since Zeke. That offense has so much firepower it's insane. Those 3 WR's and that RB all look ELITE to me. They can hang points in a hurry on anyone when they are clicking.
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Kind of agree here. Ohio State is the only team in the whole league that scares me.
Perhaps,the only squad they played with a punchers chance dropped tOSU - so we'll see.Easy to find your groove when there's no one to disrupt it.The meat of the schedule is ahead no doubt, but the last 2 week ends of CFB has been all that 😎
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The fun part is, is how much some teams grow and improve or at least change as the season moves along.
Something we tend to forget after we see one or two games and we think about how good a team “is “.
For example, I think Nebraska is a much better team than they were in week one or two. I think Michigan is growing very nicely and finding ways to win, and figuring out how to improve their passing game slowly but surely.
I think Ohio State has changed dramatically with so many young players now having multiple games under their belt. They are really getting better every week on defense and more Crisp on offense.
You could do a similar analysis on just about every team.
On any given day I really think that Iowa, Penn State, Michigan, Ohio state, and Michigan State are capable of winning against any of the others.
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On any given day I really think that Iowa, Penn State, Michigan, Ohio state, and Michigan State are capable of winning against any of the others.
I would agree. But I would put Ohio State in Tier 1 by themselves. No one else has the firepower of the Buckeyes or the QB who can sling it like the one they have.
Iowa offense is not very good. At all. Michigan just doesn't have a passing game. At all. Michigan State offense is too reliant on the big play and I have ?'s on their OL. Penn State offense is kinda meh and their run game looks pretty weak sauce to me.
Then Iowa, Penn State, Michigan, & Michigan State in that Tier 2 fighting for #2 position behind Ohio State.
That's just my two cents.
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I would agree. But I would put Ohio State in Tier 1 by themselves. No one else has the firepower of the Buckeyes or the QB who can sling it like the one they have.
Stroud has been getting consistently better reminds me a Fields a little bit.Pretty sure he still has a sore shoulder.Nice if his and the teams trajectory continues
Ohio State ''had guys look like they fell out of airplanes, they were so wide open,'' Terps coach Mike Locksley said.
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My point is, they weren't on their way to getting throttled, as you suggest. I'm sure you watch a lot of football, but I don't think you've watched much of Iowa. They don't give up many second half points and they very, very rarely get blown out.
With Clifford, I think PSU gets a second half TD and wins the game, but I don't think they would have broken 30 points.
Lets not forget how valuable (odd to say) a good punter is. After Clifford went down it was something like 8 4 out of 9 5 (edit:i may have been a little over enthused) drives started inside the 10 (several inside the 5) and the other was a fair catch around the 11. Tough starts for any QB let alone a cold backup.
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5 Big 10 teams in the top 10 in the AP is strong. Congrats!
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1. Iowa
2. Michigan
3. OSU
4. Nebraska
5. PSU
6. MSU
7. Wisconsin
8. Minnesota
9. Maryland
10 Purdue
11 Rutgers
12 Illinois
13 Indiana
14 Northwestern
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I have shaken up my rankings of the Top-4.
Iowa is #1. Iowa has a 12-game win streak, second longest in FBS football. Oklahoma has a 14-game win streak. There was a well-schemed play that put Iowa up with 6:23 in the 4th Qtr., and which was practiced. Iowa then relied on its vaunted defense to put away Penn State.
Ohio State is #2 leap-frogging Penn State. The main factor for Ohio State leapfrogging Penn State is that QB Clifford is lost for an unspecified time, and Penn State's best defensive tackle was lost to injury for an unspecified time. Otherwise I would have Penn State #2.
I did not install Ohio State at #1 because Ohio State lost to the only ranked team they played, #9 Oregon (Iowa did not lose to any of the three ranked teams it played - only one of those is currently ranked). If Penn State's Clifford recovers, Penn State could run tempo offense on Ohio State, same as Oregon State, and that could be a very competitive game.
I moved Michigan down to #4 as they struggled with an improving Nebraska team, and needed one of Nebraska's myriad of expected mistakes at the end to pull it out.
Michigan State had a nice win over Rutgers.
I moved Nebraska up despite its loss, but Nebraska is only as good as the # of turnovers it gives up and the # of missed field goals, and other mistakes. Nebraska has such an athletically talented and scary good QB who nevertheless has butterfingers and has done nothing to clean his fingers, not to mention Nebraska on defense is playing better.
Who knows where the rest of 7-12 should be ranked, I don't.
#s 13 and 14 are clearly either 13 or 14.
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- Hawkeyes
- Wolverines
- Buckeyes
- Nittany Lions
- Spartans
- Badgers
- Cornhuskers
- Scarlet Knights
- Terrapins
- Hoosiers
- Golden Gophers
- Boilermakers
- Fighting Illini
- Wildcats
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Iowa - Good win over Penn State. Not sure they do this if Clifford stays healthy, but in the end, results matter.
- Ohio State - It appears as though the Buckeyes are finally hitting their stride. At least it's been a few games since I saw linebackers and corners running into each other.
- Penn State - Tough game against a good opponent. Looked pretty good while Clifford was in, not so much after he got hurt. Still a lot of opportunities to prove themselves.
- Michigan - I didn't get to watch the game but from what I saw, Nebraska came to play and gave the Wolverines all they wanted.
- Michigan State - As was said earlier, relying too much on big plays. Still a much improved team from last year.
- Nebraska - This seems weird to have them this high, but right now they are playing as well or better than the teams below them. I base my rankings on how teams look NOW, not what their record is or how they have necessarily done in the past. I believe that they would/could beat any of the teams below them on a neutral field.
- Wisconsin - Beat the Illini but didn't look all that great doing it.
- Minnesota - Not really sure where to rank them, but I believe they are better than the teams below them.
- Maryland - Can be good offensively, but do not seem to be able to play with the better teams in the league.
- Indiana - Was last year a fluke? Kind of looking that way right now.
- Purdue - They have been competitive in all of their games. Need to find a way to finish.
- Rutgers - Rough 3 game stretch, now the schedule gets easier and we will see how they stack up.
- Northwestern - Fighting for the title of worst team in the B1G.
- Illinois - Loss to UTSA gives them the crown.
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1. Iowa
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan
4. Michigan State
5. Penn State
6. Wisconsin
7. Nebraska
8. Minnesota
9. Rutgers
10. Indiana
11. Maryland
12. Purdue
13. Illinois
14. Northwestern
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After reading through everyone else's rankings, I guess my ranking of Nebraska is pretty much in line with what others are thinking.
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1) Ohio State - Offense is clicking, defense improving.
2) Iowa - Did enough to get the win.
3) Penn State - Assuming Clifford can come back and play.
4) Michigan State - Have to respect their offensive weapons.
5) Michigan - Avoided the upset, but didn't look as dominant as earlier in the year.
6) Nebraska - Amazing that they can't seem to win any of these close games.
7) Wisconsin - Flashed what they could be. Maybe an eventual challenger to Iowa?
8) Minnesota - bye
9) Purdue - bye
10) Indiana - bye
11) Rutgers - dominated 2 weeks in a row by good teams. Now they get some easier games to get back on track.
12) Maryland - same old MD. May not win another game
13) Illinois - sorry Bert
14) Northwestern - bye
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Last week in parenthesis
- IOWA (2) - PSU is probably #1 if Clifford is healthy, but results matter
- PENN STATE (1) - without Clifford though the offense is an absolute mess
- OHIO STATE (3) - rounding into form
- MICHIGAN (4) - showed me a lot pulling out a 4th quarter W in a very hostile environment
- MICHIGAN STATE (5) - had 4 60+ yard TDs on Saturday, not sure they had that many in Dantonio's last 4 seasons
- NEBRASKA (8) - heartbreak after heartbreak
- WISCONSIN (9) - the formula still works against the conference's dregs
- MARYLAND (6) - just when you think they are a factor, back to back blowout losses sort of ends that
- RUTGERS (7) - see above
- INDIANA (10) - getting MSU at home, with an extra week to prepare, is probably their last chance to salvage something
- MINNESOTA (11) - bye week
- PURDUE (12) - bye week
- ILLINOIS (13) - blah
- NORTHWESTERN (14) - bye week
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Composite computer rankings - 59 computers (last week in parentheses)
- Georgia (1)
- IOWA (3)
- MICHIGAN (4)
- Cincinnati (5)
- OHIO STATE (8)
- Alabama (2)
- Oklahoma (7)
- PENN STATE (6)
- MICHIGAN STATE (13)
- Notre Dame (11)
- Oklahoma State (12)
- Kentucky (17)
- Texas (9)
- Florida (14)
- Wake Forest (15)
- Ole Miss (18)
- Arkansas (10)
- Arizona State (23)
- Oregon (19)
- Baylor (-)
- Pittsburgh (20)
- BYU (16)
- Coastal Carolina (21)
- Clemson (22)
- Texas A&M (-)
- 38. Wisconsin (58)
- 47. Nebraska (44)
- 48. Maryland (36)
- 49. Rutgers (43)
- 58. Minnesota (56)
- 61. Purdue (53)
- 64. Indiana (65)
- 91. Northwestern (93)
- 93. Illinois (81)
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- Ohio State - 1,1,1,1,1,1 Has now looked dominant three weeks in a row.
- Iowa - 2,4,5,4,4,4 What if Clifford hadn't gone out?
- Michigan - 3,3,3,5,5,5 I'm not holding the close win over UNL against them because Nebraska has transformed from looking like roadkill after week zero to looking like a top-half B1G team.
- Penn State - 4,2,2,2,2,3 What if Clifford hadn't gone out?
- Wisconsin - 5,7,4,3,3,2 I think the people dropping UW to very low rankings are overreacting and missing some context. Yes, the Badgers are 1-2 in the league and 2-3 overall but the three teams they lost to are ranked #4, #8, and #10 nationally and two of the three losses were competitive well into the second half. Wisconsin isn't a bad team they just aren't as good as we expected and they've played a brutal schedule.
- Michigan State - 6,8,7,9,9,11 Most everybody has them top-5 and this isn't anything against MSU, I just think (see above) that people and computers are underrating Wisconsin.
- Nebraska - 7,12,12,14,14,9 If they played Illinois tomorrow I'd favor them by four TD's.
- Maryland - 8,5,8,6,7,12 Given the way that tOSU is playing lately I don't hold that against UMD.
- Rutgers - 9,6,9,7,8,13 I really don't know.
- Minnesota - 10,9,6,8,6,7 I'm eager to see how they look coming out of their week off.
- Indiana - 11,10,10,10,10,6 Will Penix be back at 100% coming out of their week off?
- Purdue - 12,11,11,11,11,10 Coming out of a week off the Boilermakers catch Iowa coming off of a HUGE win, that is a potential trap game upset if I ever saw one. Can Purdue pull it off?
- Illinois - 13,13,13,13,13,14 The Illini have a week off to figure out how to get back to looking like they did in week zero.
- Northwestern - 14,14,14,12,12,8 Worst in the B1G and it isn't close.
First time all year that I didn't change anything.
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Results posted, votes through me, 13 voters.