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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: bamajoe on October 06, 2021, 03:45:23 PM
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Assuming LSU fires Orgeron, who will they attempt to hire? Kiffin, Franklin, Fickell, Freeze, who else?
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Attempt is one term, actually hiring is perhaps another. Fickell would be on every short list I think, but I don't know if he's interested.
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From Sat down south:
LSU vs. Kentucky — Can we process that Kentucky is favored to improve to 6-0?
I ask that question because there’s the macro perspective and the micro perspective. The macro perspective is that the Cats, who are 3.5-point home favorites against 2-loss LSU, are in the midst of what should be their second winning season in SEC play in the last 4 decades. Saturday isn’t just a chance to clinch bowl eligibility; there’s at least a path to a New Year’s 6 Bowl. Fresh off the first win against Florida in Lexington since 1986, Kentucky has to feel like a major weight is off its shoulders.
On a micro level, let’s process the fact that a team who was -9 in turnover margin entering Saturday just improved to 5-0, and it did so by nearly getting doubled up in total yards (ask Dan Mullen about the significance of that). The Cats played down to the wire against FCS Chattanooga, they put the ball on the ground 4 times against South Carolina and yet, here they are with a favorable matchup to hit 6-0. Can Josh Paschal and that Kentucky defense frustrate the horrendous LSU offensive line? Better yet, can the Kroger Field advantage force false start after false start again?
There’s a decent chance that Kentucky makes some baffling mistakes and it finds another way to win a game that goes down to the wire. Hey, Mark Stoops isn’t after style points, though. He’s after the program’s best start since 1950.
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i can't imagine Fickell not being interested in LSU, unless Urban does not take the SoCal job. I think LSU is a better job than Cincy. A Cincinatti is not the type of place a big time coach will stay imo.
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Fickell might stay there if he's waiting for one, and only one, job to open up. He may be waiting for mama to call.
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He's an Ohio guy, right? He may be smarting just a bit from the OSU thing. Now he's out to prove himself, and he has done it. If he goes to LSU, they might possibly not improve enough and he gets dumped in 4 years or so, and then is tainted. maybe.
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I doubt he waits 20 years for the Ohio State job.
He could take the LSU job. Be a failure and get fired. True. Or he become the next Nick Saban.
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So the OSU job won't be open for 20 years?
Probably fewer than 1% of HCs stay at a place 20 years, but Ryan Day is going to?
Mkay.
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Good luck to LSU next week.
Florida held UK to 220 total yards.
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Some combination of Petersen, Fickell and Franklin would be my top 3. But what do I know.
I do have some faith in Woodward, if the BMDs don't foul everything up as usual. Kim Mulkey and Jay Johnson haven't done anything at LSU yet, but they're impressive hires on paper for his short tenure so far. Woodward, fwiw, has never fired a coach mid-season anywhere he's been, which furthers my thought O will finish the season.
From Twitter:
"Bama’s defense looks totally out of sorts, but this is nothing 2022 defensive analyst Ed Orgeron can’t fix." 😂
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The hits keep coming.
Kinda figured, but it's official now, Stingley is out for the year (injury) and has almost certainly played his last game as a Tiger. Ricks was also hurt near the end of the UK game, now it's official he is done for the year as well. His injury hasn't been released, but he's elected to have surgery which will end his season. Both were top of their recruiting class at their position, and it means LSU moves forward without both its starting corners. The secondary takes another hit as safety Major Burns' injury also removes him from at least Florida, and not sure how much more.
He's joined by DE Gaye and DT Evans, who will miss the UF game due to injury vs. UK. Florida will bring its league-leading rushing attack against the already struggling, now short-handed LSU run D.
If that's not enough, WR Boutte was hurt near the end of the UK game and is out for the season as well. Boutte leads the Tigers with 508 yards, is 1st in the SEC in TD receptions and 4th in the SEC in receiving yards.
Also O said in his recent presser that QB Brennan's injury continues to linger, and while they were hopeful of getting him back for the bye-week heading into the Alabama game later, it now seems more likely Brennan will not be ready to go by then.
If there's such a thing as a turd-sundae, I think ours just got topped with a cyanide cherry.
I guess the young guys will get more experience, which I guess means more depth for next year's coach :72:
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Wow, sounds like 2013 for Florida, when we went 4-8. Wound up starting the 3rd string QB and playing walk-on dudes on defense by the last couple of games of the year. Lost 7 straight.
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Oops....add safety Jay Ward to list who's out injured. That's 4 out of the 5 starting secondary gone.
And I forgot to mention DL Anthony was already lost for the season against Miss. St. LSU came into the season with 3 legit pass rush threats, all having nice seasons, Anthony, Gaye, and Ojulari. Only Ojulari is left. They've been "okay" in run-stopping, but great in pass rushing. Not anymore.
Re: a previous comment I made about the recruiting rankings looking better on paper than reality, this is maybe interesting. LSU signed six 5-stars per 247 composite in 2019 and 2020. They are as follows.
2020 5-Star Signees:
TE Arik Gilbert (transferred)
CB Eli Ricks (out for the season)
WR Kayshon Boutté (out for the season)
2019 5-Star Signees:
CB Derek Stingley (out for the season)
RB John Emery (ineligible)
LB Marcel Brooks (transferred)
Doesn't even get into the 4 stars, but the retention rate is not where it needs to be.
Dare Rosenthal, a guy who looks good in the class ratings and we were counting on to bolster the OL for a few years, looked great at LT beating our ass all day for Kentucky. O can recruit, but a higher than normal percentage have been lost for various reasons, possibly including the aging S&C coach who was the best in the biz for many years...but when you have so many injuries, it's hard not to wonder if the S&C program has lost a step.
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Wow, sounds like 2013 for Florida, when we went 4-8. Wound up starting the 3rd string QB and playing walk-on dudes on defense by the last couple of games of the year. Lost 7 straight.
I remember that. That was in the middle of a weird streak for the UF/LSU series wherein it seemed every year Florida played LSU without arguably its best player. Sometimes the QB was out, sometimes someone else. In 2013, I forget his name, but UF had a fantastic DT, probably the best in the conference, who played all games prior to LSU, but not vs. LSU d/t injury.
I don't remember all the names, but for 5 years from 2011 through 2015, Florida always had a key guy missing.
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Official.
O will not return for 2022, but will finish the season. Pat my myself on the back, as I thought, it's not all stuff on the field. His personal behavior has run afoul of the administration.
Odd time to publicize it. Seems like an invitation to the team to fold and screw up the recruiting class more than necessary. Guess we'll see.
And because LSU is LSU, the "brass" is already interfering with some pretty dumb ideas/candidates. I'm gonna get my popcorn, Louisiana politics in the state university can be great entertainment.
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I remember that. That was in the middle of a weird streak for the UF/LSU series wherein it seemed every year Florida played LSU without arguably its best player. Sometimes the QB was out, sometimes someone else. In 2013, I forget his name, but UF had a fantastic DT, probably the best in the conference, who played all games prior to LSU, but not vs. LSU d/t injury.
I don't remember all the names, but for 5 years from 2011 through 2015, Florida always had a key guy missing.
73 Sharrif Floyd?
2 Dominique Easley?
The year we lost to GA Southern, we had "#36 white dude" playing LB. We had guys playing who weren't on the official roster. Imagine your first-ever playing time being against a well-oiled option team with a RB who started a few years in the NFL (McKinnon).
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Easley is the one I'm thinking of. iirc, he got hurt either at the end of the game before lsu or during the week of practice. May have been lost for the year, don't remember. But he didn't play vs. LSU. He would've come in handy on day Jeremy Hill had a big day.
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Just leave Lane Kiffin alone. I want him at Alabama when Saban says good bye.
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Just leave Lane Kiffin alone. I want him at Alabama when Saban says good bye.
It appears he's winking at Baton Rouge. He's on Woodward's list, I don't know if he's on his A list or B list. I don't care all that much for the guy, but I guess he'd be a good coach if he committed to keeping a good DC around who can recruit. How often does it happen that a coach leaves one job for a another school in conference, in the same division? Tuberville? Did Nutt sit a year after Arkansas before Ole Miss? That can't be common.
He's not on the new prez's list though. Remains to be seen who's going to get their way here. This guy is enough to make me long for the days of F. King Alexander. LSU may have traded the good 'ol boy network for the woke mob. Ugh.
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Coach O himself was at OM before LSU (with some time in-between).
Kiffin is just turning this into an extension.
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In the middle of a train wreck, I have to give a pat on the back to Damone Clark, LB, who is playing like a 1st Team All-American and if he doesn't get overlooked due to being on a crappy team, possibly the Butkus award winner. He leads the country in tackles with 100 through 8 games, including 20 against Ole Miss yesterday. He's the one guy who's where he needs to be, reads his keys, fills the right gaps, gets sideline to sideline like a beast, and wraps up and tackles with form. He's also the one veteran who hasn't regressed since Aranda. Whatever he's doing to tune out the poor coaching, I wish he'd share the secret, because there are other players on the team who used to play well but now suffer from a clueless DC.
Probably wouldn't have quite the numbers if the defense were better because I suspect some of his stats are cleaning up the mess in other positions who don't do their job. But he's a good example of how so far the team hasn't quit (as far as I can tell), they just aren't good.
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work and school are crazy at the moment, but here's a quick drive-by to tell you all your teams still suck.
I didn't watch LSU/Alabama, but WHATTHEHELL? That box score looks all kinds of messed up. Relatively even in yards, top, 3rd down conversion..... SIX yards rushing, Bama? Seriously, what the hell.
I saw a few clips a guy had put together of the game...I see what O meant when he said they installed 8 new blitz packages. Umm...because we only just now needed them for Bama? More than that, it was a very different looking defense...more like the Aranda squads with a lot of 3 down linemen with under fronts. Looked like they finally used Damone Clark in the way that suits him--which, he was recruited for Aranda's 3-4, and while I hate to say it, he'd be better off at a place like Alabama or UGA, he's better fit in those systems. Not that he's exactly struggled this year.
Still....there's too many other data points in the season. That has to be fool's gold to some extent. Alabama must have problems or else just played a crap game. Not really for me to say, not having watched it.
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Death Valley, at night. Hogs vs. Swamp kittens, time to set some dumpsters on fire! :86:
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Holy crap! LSU's defense played inspired football, if they had played that way all season, O would still be there.
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I got to watch a bit of the lsu/bama game on replay, and I did catch the Arkansas game this week. This will probably sound strange, but these losses have been much more palatable b/c I love it when LSU plays good defense. I don't know where it came from, or how they managed it considering they're down 8 starters on that side of the ball and a ton of these kids were playing high school ball until recently, but they've really found something with these bear fronts and zero blitzes.
They went from pretty bad, to one of the best looking units in the conference, overnight. UGA is better (duh), maybe Bama (?, I haven't got to watch them a lot), but this suddenly started looking like some of the old great Tiger defenses. A team like UGA up until recently was worlds better than where we were at. Now I'm like, hmm, give these kids a chance to grow up, and some depth, and they might could be back around that elite level. And some coaching (also duh).
I'm not sure how long it can continue....there is a solution to this defense if you can pull it off, I was surprised ARK didn't try more of some plays they ran that are designed to take advantage of that defense...and then mostly, if you run this, you're really putting pressure on your corners. And, well, LSU has lost all its starting corners and nickels. I'm really amazed how well these young kids held up vs. Bama and Arkansas. But I do wonder if it can continue.
I don't think we'll get to a bowl, unfortunately. This pathetic offense can probably come up with enough to beat ULM (I hope), but I don't see a way for them to get past A&M.