MSU seems heavily involved with Moore. I'm going to continue to be skeptical of highly rated in-state quarterbacks until proven otherwise though. They don't seem to have any contact with Herring, And I believe they can't recruit Thompson if he wants to enroll early due to hiring Witcher.Michigan has never produced a 5* QB in the recruiting sites era (2002-present). Have to go back to Drew Henson in 1998 who was before all the sites for what would be an in-state 5* QB today. Shane Morris was an early 5* but lost his star when the sites realized he wasn't great at football and he wound up being ranked a high 4* & #71 overall in the nation in his class. Devin Gardner was ranked a high 4* & #67 overall in the nation in his class.
Moore is wide-open imo. Could see him at Michigan or MSU or even leaving the state.Well that certainly narrows it down
Michigan has never produced a 5* QB in the recruiting sites era (2002-present). Have to go back to Drew Henson in 1998 who was before all the sites for what would be an in-state 5* QB today. Shane Morris was an early 5* but lost his star when the sites realized he wasn't great at football and he wound up being ranked a high 4* & #71 overall in the nation in his class. Devin Gardner was ranked a high 4* & #67 overall in the nation in his class.This Dante Moore character has already visited PSU twice. He's also from the same school as PSU player Jaylen Reed. PSU isn't usually in the mix for 5 star QBs, but their new OC seems to be changing that around pretty quickly.
Most 5* QB's typically don't work out. The bust rate on those are super high. Moore has actually produced big on the field. Not sure he's the physical specimen that Gardner was or that he has the big arm strength Morris had, but Moore is a more natural passer than Gardner and he's actually produced big-time on the field (unlike Morris) and continues to produce big on the field and continues to improve.
Moore is wide-open imo. Could see him at Michigan or MSU or even leaving the state.
This Dante Moore character has already visited PSU twice. He's also from the same school as PSU player Jaylen Reed. PSU isn't usually in the mix for 5 star QBs, but their new OC seems to be changing that around pretty quickly.PSU definitely in it as is ND. Those two plus the hometown teams look to be in the main 4. LSU & OSU also in it, but seem to be behind the main 4. My complete guess is LSU might be too far and OSU has a logjam of 5* QB's.
OSU has a logjam of 5* QB's.Yeah, I'll believe recruits care about that when I see it. They all believe they'll win the job.
Yeah, I'll believe recruits care about that when I see it. They all believe they'll win the job.The sad reality is that most of the players we cheer for wouldn't have the academic ability to get into clown college if they couldn't play ball so the academic difference between Stanford/Northwestern and Ole Miss is moot because they aren't smart enough for any of the three. For that matter Ole Miss is probably realistically better for them because their academic abilities are MUCH closer to those of the real students at Ole Miss than they are to the real students and Stanford/Northwestern. Ole Miss might actually have classes they could learn from where Stanford/Northwestern would just have to find a place to hide them.
It's like the recruits who claim to care about academics and are being recruited by Stanford and Northwestern, and then end up at Ole Miss...
The sad reality is that most of the players we cheer for wouldn't have the academic ability to get into clown college if they couldn't play ball so the academic difference between Stanford/Northwestern and Ole Miss is moot because they aren't smart enough for any of the three. For that matter Ole Miss is probably realistically better for them because their academic abilities are MUCH closer to those of the real students at Ole Miss than they are to the real students and Stanford/Northwestern. Ole Miss might actually have classes they could learn from where Stanford/Northwestern would just have to find a place to hide them.Of course that's true. Although knowing that Stanford/Northwestern have relatively high admission requirements even for scholarship athletes, any football player who could be admitted as an athlete at Stanford/Northwestern might not just be close to those of the real students at Ole Miss, they might be in the upper quartile of the general student body at Ole Miss :57:
Yeah, I'll believe recruits care about that when I see it. They all believe they'll win the job.A LB on my HS team signed with Duke. Skinny, rangy kid - a 'mad stork' type...and an idiot. I was happy for him and all, buuuuuuut knew that wasn't going to work out. And he lasted a year there.
It's like the recruits who claim to care about academics and are being recruited by Stanford and Northwestern, and then end up at Ole Miss...
I went with an extreme example, but I recall a real-world basketball example. Francis Okoro was being recruited heavily by Purdue, Illinois, and Oregon. He stated he considered academics to be important, and not only that, his desired major was computer science. According to US News, Illinois is the 5th-rated CS school in the nation, and Purdue is 20th. Oregon is 64th.Meh...it depends WHEN he says it, too.
Guess where he went...
What recruits say and what you think they would value doesn't often line up with what the end up doing.
3* OG Dylan Senda (6'5, 275) of Michigan commits to Northwestern over Michigan & Michigan State in a bit of a shocker. Everyone apparently thought it would be Michigan or Michigan State.I think all of his CBs were trending UM. Pretty surprising
I think all of his CBs were trending UM. Pretty surprisingyes, but both his parents are MSU grads I believe. It was long thought to be M-MSU battle, and Northwestern swoops in and lands him. Pretty surprising indeed.
yes, but both his parents are MSU grads I believe. It was long thought to be M-MSU battle, and Northwestern swoops in and lands him. Pretty surprising indeed.Didn't realize that. He hadn't given MSU the time of day. There are a couple in-state recruits where it was clear they had no interest in MSU, so the toes are severed early, but of the ones MSU actually pursued, he was one of the lowest.
UW just flipped this kid from Yale. Nebraska legacy too, but no offer there.Couldn't get admitted
Christopher Brooks Recruit Interests (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Christopher-Brooks-129282/RecruitInterests/)
Manning has reportedly narrowed his short list down to four schools. Texas, Alabama, Georgia and Ole Miss are the front-runners to land the next Manning eyeing the NFL.Well, he's a Manning.
I don't recall a player with so much "vibe" or noise in the recent past. I have a hard time not calling him Archie.
I gather he is epically good?
Yeah, so what? Not every Manning is a great QB.Yeah, but even Cooper's getting in on the commercials...
Can a player commit to a team that didn't offer?To the first question, sort of. A kid can certainly announce that he is going somewhere when the team has no intention of taking him.
If a team offers, can they not accept a commit?
Me confused.
I know all offers are contingent, but I figured if the contingencies were met, the offer would be good unless withdrawn before the player accepts.Nah.
Can a player commit to a team that didn't offer?Yeah, frequently the offers are contingent on something.
If a team offers, can they not accept a commit?
Me confused.
I would prefer an offer be in writing and legally binding as a contract.I think for the most part coaches would not, or the line would just move. They'd like kids to feel like they have offers and good ones to feel like they're committed.
Yeah, frequently the offers are contingent on something.Being better than another guy who could take the spot, often.
I would prefer an offer be in writing and legally binding as a contract.they are, its just the date those can be sent to kids is known as national signing day. kids don't have to sign on that day. nor do schools have to send offers that day. its just they can't do it before that day.
4* S Eliot Washington may have flipped from Alabama to MSU, as one doesApparently his uncles both played at MSU under JLS, and the first year of Dantonio, so it's not totally out of the blue
Obviously not everyone can be 4+, and the stars are not perfect, I think coaches are better evaluators.Agreed, but it's why I don't mind the helmet bump for offers. The post-commit bumps are clearly appealing to subscribers, but if Georgia/Bama/Clemson/OSU, etc... offers a kid, I trust that bump, because those schools can be selective. In 1996, so could FSU, Tennessee and PSU. Now those offers don't sway the evaluators.
To be honest, I'm not that sold on Moore. IMO, UM should be all in on Lloyd Carr's grandsonUW is in. Doubt they get him though.
UW is in. Doubt they get him though.
(https://i.imgur.com/ezQGgnH.png)chatter seems to be Notre Dame. What a blow if Michigan loses an in-state 5* QB who happens to be Lloyd Carr's grandson to Notre Dame. Yuck. Not to mention Saline is like 10 miles to Ann Arbor...
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chatter seems to be Notre Dame. What a blow if Michigan loses an in-state 5* QB who happens to be Lloyd Carr's grandson to Notre Dame. Yuck. Not to mention Saline is like 10 miles to Ann Arbor...(https://www.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTc2ODQ5OTE4MDUxMjMxMzE1/usatsi_13465122_168388427_lowres.jpg)
chatter seems to be Notre Dame. What a blow if Michigan loses an in-state 5* QB who happens to be Lloyd Carr's grandson to Notre Dame. Yuck. Not to mention Saline is like 10 miles to Ann Arbor...I thought the only thing keeping him from ND was them preferring Moore. I wonder if it's a bird in the hand situation. Either way, I think he's better than Moore.
lives in the stateHey, if he wants to come to EL, I'd take that commitment in a heartbeat. And this isn't a "we didn't want him" message board thing. I assumed the staff reached out, and he wasn't interested
Hey, if he wants to come to EL, I'd take that commitment in a heartbeat. And this isn't a "we didn't want him" message board thing. I assumed the staff reached out, and he wasn't interestedSounds like behind the scenes, MSU was very much trying to get involved, to no avail
Sounds like behind the scenes, MSU was very much trying to get involved, to no availhe probably grew up hating Michigan State and Ohio State, and not ND quite as much as Michigan doesn't have a yearly rivalry game with them. I'd like to see ND back on the schedule every year for Michigan. That game should be played every year. Going to suck losing a legacy 5* in-state QB to freaking Notre Dame.
I thought the only thing keeping him from ND was them preferring Moore. I wonder if it's a bird in the hand situation. Either way, I think he's better than Moore.Moore and Carr are different classes, not sure why it has to be an either or thing. Just recruit all the top rated QBs every single class and if some transfer out oh well. Seems to be working wonders for OSU lol.
Also, how is MSU in his top anything? I have not heard of there being a drop of communication there.
MSU gets a commitment from 4* WR Demitrius Bell from TN. Had offers from UM, PSU, LSU and TennesseeTucker recruiting his prick off, and that's the kind of bump I was talking about you typically see in the next couple years classes after a huge season for a program....the kind of bump Michigan is not getting at all under Harbaugh despite having a 12 win, B1G champ, playoff season. If anything- their recruiting is going backwards and slowing down.
He claims he wanted ND because of Rees' ability to develop QB's.Lol, great question. He's a 16-17 year old kid. Probably just connected best on a personal level with Rees, and Rees sold him a line of a bullsh*t about how he'll develop him into a star....just like Tommy Rees!
OK, such as?
Ian Book, maybe?
it's official. 2024 5* QB CJ Carr to Notre Dame. Kids grand-dad on his father's side is Lloyd Carr- like the 2nd winningest head coach in Michigan history. His father Jason played at Michigan. His grand-dad on his mother's side is Tom Curtis- an All-American safety and College Football HOF'er who played at Michigan in the late 60's. And he's going to Notre Dame.....gross. Only thing worse would've been if he went to OSU or MSU.https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1535043705765351425?t=2U0bXSfXIKBxWfzvuMUjPA&s=19
That even hurts me.I have an autographed picture of me with Lloyd from 2002. It's somewhere at my parents' house now. What's going on in that Tweet is elder abuse
Lloyd is a cool cat.
I had an autographed picture of him given to me, made out to my son, who for some reason was/is a Michigan fan.
He's got it on his wall (of shame..) at his house.
What's going on in that Tweet is elder abuseLloyd shoulda punched the kid in tha nads
MSU gets a commit from 4* CB Chance Rucker, over offers from Texas, Nebraska, Florida,.FSU, and MiamiAnd right on cue, 3 days later, Rivals drops him to a 3*
He claims he wanted ND because of Rees' ability to develop QB's.Maybe he didn’t enjoy the running commentary he heard in the stands during his grandfather‘s last few years.
OK, such as?
Ian Book, maybe?
re: Lloyd Carr's grandkid....apparently Michigan is right at the very top, perhaps even the top school for 2024 5* QB Jadyn Davis of North Carolina. 247Composite has Davis as the #15 player overall and #4 QB in the nation, a touch higher up than CJ Carr who is the #20 overall and #5 QB. Rivals seems to be even higher on Davis, they rate him as the #4 player overall and #1 QB, and one the top Rivals analyst of the southeast/atlantic has even CRYSTAL BALLZ'd him to Michigan.Oh that kid. I saw him play live a couple years back.
The top 'crootin guy Witflong over at 247Sports says he likes Michigan for Davis. Might make a little more sense now.....IF they actually close the deal on the kid.
Oh that kid. I saw him play live a couple years back.don't really know much about him, stopped following recruiting so closely. Sucks losing LC's grandkid to ND, but if Michigan can pull 5* QB Dante Moore in 2023 and 5* QB Jadyn Davis in 2024, kinda makes up. Those are some ifs now however.
At the time was very tools-y. Not so polished, but you could see the ability. HS numbers have yet to pop, but he's headed to a parochial semi-powerhouse. He'll get to work with a bunch of next-level talent there, probably put up some numbers. (I say semi-power because they're in a private school league, and NC isn't really a power private school state. So they play a beastly non-conference and then there are only a 1-2 other schools on their level who can compete)
re: Lloyd Carr's grandkid....apparently Michigan is right at the very top, perhaps even the top school for 2024 5* QB Jadyn Davis of North Carolina. 247Composite has Davis as the #15 player overall and #4 QB in the nation, a touch higher up than CJ Carr who is the #20 overall and #5 QB. Rivals seems to be even higher on Davis, they rate him as the #4 player overall and #1 QB, and one the top Rivals analyst of the southeast/atlantic has even CRYSTAL BALLZ'd him to Michigan.In the composite. He's #9 on their own rankings.
The top 'crootin guy Witflong over at 247Sports says he likes Michigan for Davis. Might make a little more sense now.....IF they actually close the deal on the kid.
Northwestern adds commitment from 4-star DL, rises to top-5 recruiting ranking for 2023Thanks for telling us...the rest, of the story
Paul Harvey | 3 days ago
How do you renew fan interest after an abysmal 3-9 season on the field? One way is to get to work improving the roster on the recruiting trail.
That’s the route that Pat Fitzgerald and his staff at Northwestern have taken this offseason. Despite a bad year on the field, Fitzgerald and the Wildcats are currently killing it in their work for the 2023 recruiting class.
On Saturday, Northwestern picked up a commitment from defensive lineman Ashton Porter out of Cypress, Texas. Listed at 6-foot-2.5 and 255 lbs., Porter becomes the highest-ranked commitment in Northwestern’s 2023 recruiting class.
According to the 247 Sports Composite Rankings, Porter is a 4-star prospect and the No. 292 player in the country regardless of position. He is also rated the No. 42 DL nationally for the class of 2023.
With Porter’s commitment, Northwestern is all the way up to No. 3 nationally in the team recruiting rankings, a mark that would be Fitzgerald’s best recruiting class by far. There is still a long way to go before the Early Signing Period in December, but Fitzgerald and his staff have a huge jumpstart on a very impressive recruiting class.
In the composite. He's #9 on their own rankings.yeah Rivals and 247 both seem to be super high on Davis. Rivals has him as a top 5 player overall, 247 a top 10. Must be ESPN or something pulling his composite ranking down a little bit.
Is there more to the story?Note the writer
Tucker is crushing it on the trail.I don't think that was ever the question. Now he needs to develop an OL and a secondary
Hard for me to get too excited about four stars ....Citrus Bowls, here we come!
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Citrus Bowls, here we come!I remember when that was a great destination.
Hard for me to get too excited about four stars ....Ha. Georgia has geography on it's side. We can't all be so lucky.
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MSU also picks up 4* OL Clay Wedin out of Florida. Had offers from Bama, Georgia, OSU, UM, Clemson, etc...Mel Tucker is absolutely destroying it on the trail....wow.
Was supposed to visit Auburn this weekend
Mel Tucker is absolutely destroying it on the trail....wow.I do wonder how long any human can keep up this level of energy, and relatability. Hopefully it pays off for now
I remember when that was a great destination.College football did a great job of saying the entire season is about a postseason tournament, while making that postseason tournament awful. Hell, I thought Mike Leach was full of shit, but I'd prefer a 64 team playoff to this.
MSU gets a commitment from 4* CB Jaylon Braxton out of TX, who also held offers from LSU, Nebraska, PSU and BaylorMSU Rivals writer just put in a CB for him to flip to Arkansas, lol
4th 4* verbal in the past 8 days. That gives MSU 7 4/5* commits, tied with PSU for 2nd most in the conference, behind only OSU (9). Northwestern and Michigan each have 2, nobody else with more than 1
OSU picked up a pair of 5* WRs this week, so maybe they'll finally get that offense off the groundFinally! They’ve just been so weak on the outside of late
It interests me that these offers are made to rising seniors before they play their last year in HS. How many great players gelled in that final year? Or fell apart?More than a few.
Yeah it seems like with Ryan Day and Brian Hartline there, they'll continue to get the best of the best at QB and WR. I'm still a little concerned that the OL/DL and overall defensive recruiting isn't all that great. Gotta get a little better if you want a shot against Bama. I thought they totally mauled the Buckeyes on both sides of the line in the last meeting, although all you'll really hear about is how they torched the secondary.Yes- they mauled the DL more so. But so did Oregon and UM last season. Whether you believe me or not- I will tell you it had very little to do with OSU talent. It’s easy to do when you know EXACTLY what the defense is doing in every snap.
So on Monday OSU gets a commitment from a 5* WR.
Then on Tuesday OSU gets a commitment from a 5* WR.
They are not the same kid.
WTF.
OSU picked up a pair of 5* WRs this week, so maybe they'll finally get that offense off the groundthey're WR U for sure right now under Ryan Day. If you're an elite WR, how could you not want to play in that system?
Today's commit was a 4* WR. Trending down.5* by some services
Today's commit was a 4* WR. Trending down.They signed a 4* yesterday? What are they now, a charity? :)
Yep, it is for sure.In the summer …
That's why it's so key for UW to get kids on campus.
I did my official in February. It was fine.I had an interview in MIdland, MI in February, 1980. It was NOT fine, at all, in any sense, I was coming from NC.
Arch Manning to TexasGeorgia football: Arch Manning pursuit still a worthwhile one for UGA (247sports.com)
Wait...I think Ewers will be a true sophomore in 2022 and Manning doesn't arrive til 2023 when Ewers will be a JR. Thinking might be Ewers goes pro after that year and Arch takes over the next.
Ewers just transferred there too.
Is he gonna stay, or go fishing again?
I bet that Quinn Ewers kid is getting a lot of phone calls from some pretty big-name HCs this morning....you know, since sticking around and fighting for playing time isn't a thing anymore.Ewers used the portal to come to Texas
I think he'd have to sit out a year.Maybe hes thinking bring it on
I also think he's thinking something like "WTF did I do?"
The ideal, I think, for a hot shot QB is to sit your freshman year and learn the ropes and not get thrown into a fire. Then you start two years and go pro. Think Matt Stafford, he sat for a few games and then they put him in as a true FR and he struggled quite a bit. Had they a decent senior QB, he could have played some garbage time.Agree 100%.
I did my official in February. It was fine.I mean, the school offered some thing a lot of others couldn’t: The ability to avoid campus five days a week
Do you take drugs Danny?Failed drug test sidelines Nebraska starter Nouredin Nouili for 2022 season | Football | omaha.com (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/failed-drug-test-sidelines-nebraska-starter-nouredin-nouili-for-2022-season/article_84228966-f40e-11ec-97e8-f760339d5d1d.html)
What drug was he taking to lose a full year?I'm guessing it had to be performance enhancement steroids.
What has happened in Texas recruiting since Manning committed in kind of amazing and also fun to watch.I can agree with this sentiment! :)
I can agree with this sentiment! :)That was back when we had a pretty good OL
Very similar thing happened way back, when Chris Simms committed to Texas.
Ah, I see. The pied piper thing.Generally happens with top flight QBs. Jeyru Campbell was that for MSU in 2015. Then he bodyslammed a security guard at his HS, got his offer pulled, went to jail, and the guys who were supposed to follow him, backed off.
VY never won a playoff game?Don't think so. I think he played in one at Tennessee, and lost it.
Tebow3 correct here.
Stafford
Luck
Sanchez
And I assume you mean they were both recruits and won a game this century. So that eliminates Manning
I suspect it is rare for a player to be down to those two specific options.Michigan State has had a couple of players transfer there recently. A football player who got kicked off the team, and became a first-round draft pick, and a basketball player who was looking for more playing time, who I believe then transferred again to a mid major
MSU picks up 4* DE Bai Jobe from Norman, OK over Alabama and Oklahoma. That feels like a weird thing to typeMel Tucker is recruiting his ass off, and I'm not up on the 'crootin game to be honest, but seems like MSU/Tucker is nailing NLI. They seem to get it and have been using it to their advantage. Obviously going 2-0 vs Michigan so far and going 11-2 last year was bound to give MSU a bump in the 2023 cycle. But it's super impressive what he's done so far. Didn't think MSU would ever do better than Dantonio- but Tucker just might wind up being a better coach long-term.
MSU picks up 4* DE Bai Jobe from Norman, OK over Alabama and Oklahoma. That feels like a weird thing to typeAnd apparently they told 4* Enow Etta his offer is no longer committable. Not sure how I feel about that
Flirting with the NFL is costing Harbaugh big time.I think if he has a good year this year, which he should it will be fine. But he saw what happens every time a Michigan, Michigan State, Washington, etc, gets into the CFP. They get blasted. The difference is Michigan has the cache to take that step up, and he may have squandered their one opportunity to do so
I think if he has a good year this year, which he should it will be fine. But he saw what happens every time a Michigan, Michigan State, Washington, etc, gets into the CFP. They get blasted. The difference is Michigan has the cache to take that step up, and he may have squandered their one opportunity to do soMichigan was never getting there with Harbs stone age offense, dude is clueless when it comes to the passing game.
I think if he has a good year this year, which he should it will be fine. But he saw what happens every time a Michigan, Michigan State, Washington, etc, gets into the CFP. They get blasted. The difference is Michigan has the cache to take that step up, and he may have squandered their one opportunity to do soI usually find that sudden bump in recruiting is aspirational more than tangible in most cases.
I usually find that sudden bump in recruiting is aspirational more than tangible in most cases.I think if they had another #8 class or whatever, nobody would be mad that it didn't get BETTER
I think if they had another #8 class or whatever, nobody would be mad that it didn't get BETTERyeah, this. it's not even that they haven't gotten the typical 'crootin bump. they've free fallen off a cliff.
Flirting with the NFL is costing Harbaugh big time.being a weirdo, space cadet on too many meds is causing players and their parents to shy away
never worry, they've already had a big ugly suspended for roidsWhy were they testing?
6'4" 215? Better take advantage of that training table during his redshirt yearlooks kinda scrawny
That's for 2023, not 2022ok you got me I didnt notice that
Arch Manning has long been regarded as the consensus No. 1 prospect for the class of 2023. A 5-star QB, son of Cooper Manning and nephew of NFL greats Peyton and Eli, Arch recently committed to Texas at the end of June.Yeah I think I'd go with the Manning kid. Grandad was the #2 overall NFL draft pick, Uncle Peyton was a #1 overall NFL draft pick, and Uncle Eli was a #1 overall NFL draft pick.
However, another prospect – and one that could be seen in the B1G in a few seasons – has overtaken Manning in one publication. ESPN recently dropped Manning to No. 2 on its list of prospects behind QB Malachi Nelson out of Los Alamitos, California. Nelson is committed to USC who is set to begin play in the B1G during the fall of 2024.
probably turn out like his father, CooperCooper played WR not QB, and I believe he had a genetic degenerative bone disease which made him quit football.
see, geneticsha, touche.
All 7 Top 250 MSU commits dropped in the updated Rivals rankings, lolThose rankings and ratings are just such a complete joke.
Those rankings and ratings are just such a complete joke.There is a pretty good correlation between "stars" and future performance on the field.
There is a pretty good correlation between "stars" and future performance on the field.No, at that point its about having a subscription driven model
But the suble differences in players is not.
Sure, but I'd rather have 5*s than 3*s. And yes, plenty of 3s do quite well, but there are plenty of 3s.Correct. But when it's an inexact "science" by the most generous of descriptions, might as well hand those high 4* ratings to your larger subscription bases.
Sure, but I'd rather have 5*s than 3*s. And yes, plenty of 3s do quite well, but there are plenty of 3s.
Those rankings and ratings are just such a complete joke."Complete" is probably an overstatement.
"Complete" is probably an overstatement.Well, AAA has one such story, just a couple posts above. I see it from other teams all the time. It rarely happens to Texas, if anything it tends to go the other way.
They are decidedly not exact, and tend to have some problematic back-end politics. But somehow those politics don't do THAT much to dampen their overall usefulness.
(I'd love to see someone round up data on the "they dropped because they picked my team" guys. Even just stories)
Well, AAA has one such story, just a couple posts above. I see it from other teams all the time. It rarely happens to Texas, if anything it tends to go the other way.I meant a story on how they actually turn out. Like, for the theory to hold, they need to be better that that new ranking.
These guys haven't played any games in 9 months, so what other reasons are there to drop them? Especially en masse?
Your list of reasons doesn't include anything about actual game play.I don’t even mean this to be rude, but if you’re telling me the measure of a talent is only discernible by what happens between the lines 9-16 times in the fall, then you are very likely in that latter tribe.
Which is why I refer to it as a crock of shit.
You can certainly hold a differing opinion. Lots of people are okay with being wrong. ;)
I don’t even mean this to be rude, but if you’re telling me the measure of a talent is only discernible by what happens between the lines 9-16 times in the fall, then you are very likely in that latter tribe.
But if you’re ok with it, that certainly counts for something.:)
If you looks at star ratings based on NFL rosters, there is a very solid correlation, better than I would have suspected. I think we all agree there are shennigans, but to say ratings are complete BS is in my view an over reaction, or hyperbole. And besides, I like "best of" lists.I mean, we know players that sign with Michigan State get derated. And Oklahoma State. And Oregon State. What we can only speculate, is why.
So, I think it's worth more than a grain of salt, and I also think players who sign with "Michigan State" may get derated, and vice versa.
It's alright. Expecting a lot from me is the first mistake (and I was on my phone and should've been working).
Lulz.
I don't mean this to be rude, but this is a pretty weak response. I typically expect better of you.
Yes, of course the most important things that happen related to player rating, are the things that happen between the lines 10-16 times in the Fall. By far. Nothing else even comes close.
And any major movement of that rating occurring during the offseason, is something I suspect of agendas and ulterior motives. One or two players here or there, moving because of an injury or a character issue, would be understandable. Movements for a large number of recruits, when no games have happened for 9 months? Yeah, no.
I mean, you realize these services are all monetized by subscribers, or click-generated ad revenue, or both. Right? What better way to generate more clicks, or keep subscribers locked in, than by making unexpected and unnecessary changes to player ratings, in the middle of the summer when nothing is happening?
Come on.
Anywho, I understand the disinterest in a system that can't be precise, and no system in CFB will be precise in that way, so is what it is. I begrudgingly came to see it's effective in a certain ways. It's not perfect, and the inputs are oft fuzzy, but also probably based on more logical things than the high-end skeptics would admit.Agree.
who was that Ole Miss a few yrs back who were landing 4-5 stars left & right.You accused them of cheating......and were right(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-you-ain-t-trying-to-cheat-a-little-you-ain-t-likely-to-win-much-richard-petty-72-17-15.jpg)
Speaking of loving the portal...Fine sit but any schollies should be pulled no lounging around on the company coin if you ain't contributing
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not sure how I feel about NIL and portal. Thought it'd lead to an arms race where teams just buy players and win big. But A&M has backed up the brinks truck on players like 2-3 classes in a row and holy shit do they suck this year and have been nothing but 4-5 loss mediocrity for years under Jumbo.Maybe it's just sucky coaching,Jimbo looks like something out of Deliverance. Come to think of so does Day,maybe even Crazy Jeem....no he'd be cast in "One Flew Over of the Cuckoos's Nest".
MSU gets a couple CBs for one 4* OT on the same day another decomits. #crootinyeah saw that and saw that he's trending to.....Auburn. Wtf? Kinda shocking. Harsin is without doubt getting fired soon and Auburn is just as bad if not worse than MSU right now. 16/17/18 year olds. Ah to be young and stupid again.
A&M offered $$$???Sounds like it. Possibly Ole Miss, Oklahoma State too. I'm sure MSU as well, but couldn't get there. Not accusing A&M of anything, it's all above board now. But if your in state SEC school, also puts together the best NIL package, I can't blame the kid
that's interesting. never really understood him picking Oregon in the first place. guess they threw a huge NIL bag of money at him?
But the odd part is that MSU is refocusing on flipping Dante Moore?
I also wonder if they don't like any of their Plan Cs, and are just throwing a hail Mary, and will otherwise focus on the portalhey it's worth a shot to try, Moore is right in the back yard. but I thought I heard he got a FAT NIL deal from Nike and didn't relatives of his get jobs at Nike as well? thought he took the bag and ran and that's why he spurned Notre Dame- who had a huge lead early on in his recruitment.
hey it's worth a shot to try, Moore is right in the back yard. but I thought I heard he got a FAT NIL deal from Nike and didn't relatives of his get jobs at Nike as well? thought he took the bag and ran and that's why he spurned Notre Dame- who had a huge lead early on in his recruitment.Always.
hey it's worth a shot to try, Moore is right in the back yard. but I thought I heard he got a FAT NIL deal from Nike and didn't relatives of his get jobs at Nike as well? thought he took the bag and ran and that's why he spurned Notre Dame- who had a huge lead early on in his recruitment.Yeah, pre-portal, go get your Plan C. Sometimes it works out well enough (Payton Thorne). You can't not take a quarterback. But with the portal now, you can go find a guy if you need one
Seems like they were attempting to recruit kids from Detroityup, could be other violations as well. Belleville has suspended him from head coach job pending this investigation. Huge news. He's turned them into a powerhouse in MI and has been pumping out 5* and 4* talent.
Always.If it detracts from your ability to take other more plausible shots, it's poor judgment.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you DON'T take.
If it detracts from your ability to take other more plausible shots, it's poor judgment.Which is why I said it seems like they don't like their Plan C options, so they'll go all in on circling back to their Plan A, or get someone from the portal. I'd be shocked if they take a 2023 HS QB at this point
God's planReggie White started it
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God's planYa it's really getting nauseating,because God's plan is to see me thru another month of Oktoberfests.....at reduced prices - FACT
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Reggie White started itPretty sure Neon Deon stirred the pot with his "that pick six was for jesus" and "that TD kick off return was for God" because what else could possibly be more important
Pretty sure Neon Deon stirred the pot with his "that pick six was for jesus" and "that TD kick off return was for God" because what else could possibly be more importantReggie White said god told him to go to the Packers, which just happened to also offer him the most money
I saw some of the comments.It appears to be the second time they scheduled a fake school. Last time got more attention, because it was an ESPN event, and ESPN handled it
Why even schedule this?
Sounds like MSU and Bo Edmondson have decided to part ways, which was seemingly a long time in making. He was apparently sitting out this fall with anxiety issues, and was leaning towards staying home.Some smoke from the UM folks that they think a flip to MSU is now a strong possibility
But the odd part is that MSU is refocusing on flipping Dante Moore?
Some smoke from the UM folks that they think a flip to MSU is now a strong possibilityhaven't seen that. I have seen that there are rumors Oregon HC and OC may be looking at other jobs though, which would make sense as to why Moore might be exploring other options.
Apparently Moore's parents like that MSU has a black head coachI heard the Dad is a big Michigan fan, even has Michigan tats. I will say it's probably a bad idea to pick a school just because the head coach is black. My guess is MSU boosters are putting together a huge NIL package for Moore and if he signs with MSU it'll be that + he's got a pretty easy path to becoming the starting QB at MSU.
I heard the Dad is a big Michigan fan, even has Michigan tats. I will say it's probably a bad idea to pick a school just because the head coach is black. My guess is MSU boosters are putting together a huge NIL package for Moore and if he signs with MSU it'll be that + he's got a pretty easy path to becoming the starting QB at MSU.I'm not going to judge what factors are important to a kid and his family. But Bret Bielema has an Iowa tattoo, and Jim Harbaugh said UM academics are a joke, so, people chamge
Badgers finally got a 2023 QB last night.I'm of the opinion teams should be taking 1-2 QB's ever year- even the "lowly" 3* variety. You just never know with that position. Plenty of 5* bust stories at QB, and plenty of 3* success stories. Shoot, pretty sure Baker Mayfield was a 2* walk-on and Johnny Manziel was a 3* after thought. Just need to stack QB's every year and hope for the best. Michigan took a 3* in 2020, 5* JJ in 2021, two 3*'s in 2022, and right now they don't have a QB for 2023 but they need to find one imo, and in 2024 looks like they've went all in on 5* Jadyn Davis and that he's close to committing. It's the most important position in the game- just need to keep stacking them every year and hope one pans out.
Someone has to run the Scout team I guess??
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They only had FIVE offers out this year until they offered this kid.
One of those 6 offers was Dante Moore. Yeah, OK...
QB recruiting needs to change. Cast a wider net.
UW has 82 offers out for 2024.
Michigan has 204.
I'm of the opinion teams should be taking 1-2 QB's ever year- even the "lowly" 3* variety. You just never know with that position. Plenty of 5* bust stories at QB, and plenty of 3* success stories. Shoot, pretty sure Baker Mayfield was a 2* walk-on and Johnny Manziel was a 3* after thought. Just need to stack QB's every year and hope for the best. Michigan took a 3* in 2020, 5* JJ in 2021, two 3*'s in 2022, and right now they don't have a QB for 2023 but they need to find one imo, and in 2024 looks like they've went all in on 5* Jadyn Davis and that he's close to committing. It's the most important position in the game- just need to keep stacking them every year and hope one pans out.PC got into a habit of only taking one per season, and then in 2020 he didn't take ANY.
PC got into a habit of only taking one per season, and then in 2020 he didn't take ANY.Cade is definitely going to leave. Wish he'd stay and be an awesome back-up, but he's good enough to play somewhere. I think he'd fit into the culture at Wisconsin seamlessly. As long as he doesn't transfer for Notre Dame or Michigan State or Ohio State, I'll always root for the kid.
Depth right now is Mertz and Burkett (True Fr they would like to 'shirt).
Snap takers are Chase Wolf and a walk on, for the next three games.
Now with this commitment I think they should take one more - either a late bloomer or hit the portal.
Hello Cade...
A little insight into how Wisconsin recruits, and why they don't just fling offers all over the place. From Rivals:I like that approach. Simply recruiting talent with no regards to the kids character, ends up biting teams in the rear end. I am hoping that Coach Day does something similar at tOSU.
"From the conversations that I had with Coach Engram, they really dug in deep," Hubbard said. "And not just the tape and watching him throw the ball. Coach Engram wanted some names of teachers and some other people in the building outside of athletics who could talk about Cole. I've been coaching for about 25 years and that's the first time that I had a coach ask those types of questions."That just shows that they wanted to take their time. It was slow going for Cole and I told him to be patient and let the process play out, and it paid off for him with that offer. Wisconsin did a great job of digging into Cole and what he's all about."Monday, LaCrue announced his commitment to Wisconsin. He ultimately chose UW over scholarships from Tulane and Colorado.
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for the swingers at the get together?that has got to be a joke/troll post....
would anyone really want to play for Iowa's offense??great point. you'd think OL kids would be lining up to play for Michigan right now on this little 2-year run they are having with their OL probably on track to win the Joe Moore Award, but nah.
Corum wins the hypesman and the O-linemen will comeit's not just OLs- their 2023 class is brutal for winning the B1G and coming off a playoff run and in contention to do it again this year. Usually you see teams get bumps the following class when they have big seasons- but especially when they follow that up with another big season. Harbaugh flirting with the NFL fkd his 2023 class. Guy should have a top 10 class right now, nowhere near that. James freaking Franklin is smoking him on the 'crootin' trail. Make that make sense.
Harbaugh flirting with the NFL fkd his 2023 class. Guy should have a top 10 class right now, nowhere near that. James freaking Franklin is smoking him on the 'crootin' trail. Make that make sense.Playing opportunity
Especially with that dickbag Crowell out of the way now.I mean, I'm not sure hes a dickbag. He and Harbaugh are just two assholes who hate each other.
Corum wins the hypesman and the O-linemen will comeTop set of contenders feels weak this year.
I mean, I'm not sure hes a dickbag. He and Harbaugh are just two assholes who hate each other.Lol you described it better than I actually. I was probably just hating on him bc Michigan never got Belleville kids. Ever.
But either way he was officially fired today, and not allowed to coach in Michigan for 2 years due to recruiting Detroit kids impermissibly.
Sneak peak of him and Harbaugh at the next coaching event
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IF Jeem has half a brain he hires Crowell as an analyst and mends fences. Belleville has prospects in ‘24, ‘25, and ‘26 that are P5 caliber. Underwood going to wind up the #1 HS ‘croot nationally in ‘25 imo.This always cracked me up - 3 years into the future? I understand critiquing next years talent but it's too much of a stretch projecting like that.I looked back quite a few years ago about all the kids heralded as the 2nd coming.Very few of them deserved the ink they got,look at NIL right now
This always cracked me up - 3 years into the future? I understand critiquing next years talent but it's too much of a stretch projecting like that.I looked back quite a few years ago about all the kids heralded as the 2nd coming.Very few of them deserved the ink they got,look at NIL right nowJust the way it goes these days brother.
Sounds like if ASU hires the Oregon OC as their new HC, Dante Moore will at least reconsider his commitmentsounds like ASU has all but hired the Oregon OC.
McNamara is going to enter the portal, according to On3.think this was obvious from day one. McNamara is probably not a fit at Wisconsin for Fickell's style of offense which features mobile QBs. Would've been a great fit for the old style offense under Chryst.
think this was obvious from day one. McNamara is probably not a fit at Wisconsin for Fickell's style of offense which features mobile QBs. Would've been a great fit for the old style offense under Chryst.Agree. I think LF wants dual threat.
Michigan lands 2024 4* OL Luke Hamilton from the great state of Ohio today.One of my good friends is close friends with his dad. Dad was an OL at Toledo, then became an o-line coach. Very interesting situation. OSU didn’t even make him an offer. Penn State did and a couple other top tiers.
One of my good friends is close friends with his dad. Dad was an OL at Toledo, then became an o-line coach. Very interesting situation. OSU didn’t even make him an offer. Penn State did and a couple other top tiers.I have no idea how you scout offensive line prospects at this point. As you said, any kid worth a top end power 5. Offer is going to be so physically different from anyone he plays, and most of these camps are glorified seven on seven. Sadly it's been over a decade, but my wife's cousin was on the Pennsylvania state championship team at the highest level, and they had an offensive lineman who was a 4* prospect. He wound up going to Michigan, and I went to see them play maybe three or four times that year. My takeaway was that he was just big. He pancaked his guy most of the time, but I felt like if he was going to be an impact player at the Big Ten level, he should be able to take these 215 lb defensive lineman, knock them over, and get to the second level. I almost never saw him do that. He would regularly flatten whatever defensive lineman was across from him, but he would go down with them. He is the only power five level offensive lineman I have seen play in high school
I’ll say this. His HS team had a good season, but they aren’t in a tough conference. Rankings on him are interesting because some have him as one of the top 10 OL in the country and others have him considerably lower. I want this kid to be great, but imo opinion, he’s had success at Avon because he’s so much bigger than most kids. He seems slow to me. Maybe that improves by college, but a strong, quick DE would make him look bad. We’ll see: rooting for this kid because of the personal connection, but I’m not convinced.
I have no idea how you scout offensive line prospects at this point. As you said, any kid worth a top end power 5. Offer is going to be so physically different from anyone he plays, and most of these camps are glorified seven on seven. Sadly it's been over a decade, but my wife's cousin was on the Pennsylvania state championship team at the highest level, and they had an offensive lineman who was a 4* prospect. He wound up going to Michigan, and I went to see them play maybe three or four times that year. My takeaway was that he was just big. He pancaked his guy most of the time, but I felt like if he was going to be an impact player at the Big Ten level, he should be able to take these 215 lb defensive lineman, knock them over, and get to the second level. I almost never saw him do that. He would regularly flatten whatever defensive lineman was across from him, but he would go down with them. He is the only power five level offensive lineman I have seen play in high schoolIt's interesting becuase you have a few types:
OSU didn’t even make him an offer. Penn State did and a couple other top tiers.The Buckeyes' O and D lines are saturated with high end talent.
One of my good friends is close friends with his dad. Dad was an OL at Toledo, then became an o-line coach. Very interesting situation. OSU didn’t even make him an offer. Penn State did and a couple other top tiers.does he play guard or tackle in HS? That's another thing, because my guess is they are going to want this kid for guard. Don't need to be a dancing bear crazy athlete to be guard like you do to play tackle.
I’ll say this. His HS team had a good season, but they aren’t in a tough conference. Rankings on him are interesting because some have him as one of the top 10 OL in the country and others have him considerably lower. I want this kid to be great, but imo opinion, he’s had success at Avon because he’s so much bigger than most kids. He seems slow to me. Maybe that improves by college, but a strong, quick DE would make him look bad. We’ll see: rooting for this kid because of the personal connection, but I’m not convinced.
Dante Moore removed all Oregon stuff from his Twitter profilevery interesting...
Iowa backup QB Alex Padilla has entered the portal.rumor is Cade may be going to Iowa. Now, I have no idea on earth why any QB would willingly go to Iowa to play for Brian Ferentz, but I've seen crazier stuff in life.
He must have a pretty good idea he would not have been the starter at QB at Iowa next year.
rumor is Cade may be going to Iowa. Now, I have no idea on earth why any QB would willingly go to Iowa to play for Brian Ferentz, but I've seen crazier stuff in life.I think Cade is way undervalued.
I definitely think OL 'crooting is basically a crap shoot. And I trust what Michigan has been doing with OLs the last few years under Harbaugh and Sherone Moore.about 7-8 yrs back UM had what I thought was a haul Bosch,Kugler,Kalis,Beatty,Tillman - he drummed out or got in trouble.But anyway it looked like the Immortals of Mt Olympus,but they were OK not horrible but not Bart Starr's O-Line either. So ya toughest call,maybe CBs too
rumor is Cade may be going to Iowa. Now, I have no idea on earth why any QB would willingly go to Iowa to play for Brian Ferentz, but I've seen crazier stuff in life.:D basically what we stated earlier,just NUTS,why? Specially if he has Sunday plans even as a back up
if Rhule doesn't offer, there must be an issuewell Kentucky just offered this kid. my guess is lot of teams are about to offer him.
He's 3 star rated and weighs 180 pounds.who just rushed for 4,000 yards and 60 TDs in a single season vs top notch Ohio competition. Mike Hart was a 3* who weighted 180 pounds in HS. He turned out to be a hell of a player in college and put up similar ridiculous HS stats. Redshirt the kid and put 15-20 pounds on him.
how the entire B1G save for maybe Ohio St, PSU, and Michigan who can recruit nationally hasn't offered him already is beyond me. Kid should have offers from pretty much every other B1G school.Be great in the flanker/wing back mold,like Jimmy Johnson use to say "ya but can he play" metrics be damned.When the hell is NLOI period anyway?They changed everything around the last few yrs
who just rushed for 4,000 yards and 60 TDs in a single season vs top notch Ohio competition. Mike Hart was a 3* who weighted 180 pounds in HS. He turned out to be a hell of a player in college and put up similar ridiculous HS stats. Redshirt the kid and put 15-20 pounds on him.He might hate learning and could be a headache just to keep eligible. Who knows? Maybe he has some 4* and 5* linemen blocking for hiim.
Florida just signed the #1 dual threat QB for 2024.that is living in an ideal world- to keep stacking highly rated talented QBs in back to back classes every year.
And we turned Miami's #2 dual threat QB for 2023.
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So that's good.
QB Jadyn Davis wins Mr. Football in North Carolina. He's rumored to be committing to Michigan sometime in the next few weeks. 247Sports has him as a 5*, the #2 QB and #15 player overall in the 2024 class. The #1 QB in that class? Dylan Raiola, who has committed to go to Ohio State.I thought he already committed. FWIW, even outside the UM insider circle, he's viewed as a UM lock
Ohio State has the #1 QB in the 2024 class and Michigan could have the #2 QB.
I thought he already committed. FWIW, even outside the UM insider circle, he's viewed as a UM lockyeah that's the general narrative- that it's only a matter of time. but even if any kid commits- don't matter til they sign the LOI. Now with the portal that may not even matter.
yeah that's the general narrative- that it's only a matter of time. but even if any kid commits- don't matter til they sign the LOI. Now with the portal that may not even matter.This ^^^ it's just so different than even 5 yrs ago - and not for the better,IMO
Dante Moore removed all Oregon stuff from his Twitter profilejust took an official to UCLA....flip szn has begun. I think Oregon is going to have trouble 'crootin going forward. Pac might as well be G5 after 2024 without UCLA and USC. Ditto the B12 without Texas & OU. Wonder if those leagues 'crootin will begin to suffer 2024 and beyond.
QB Jadyn Davis wins Mr. Football in North Carolina. He's rumored to be committing to Michigan sometime in the next few weeks. 247Sports has him as a 5*, the #2 QB and #15 player overall in the 2024 class. The #1 QB in that class? Dylan Raiola, who has committed to go to Ohio State.That kid can absolutely rip it. Just a cannon.
Ohio State has the #1 QB in the 2024 class and Michigan could have the #2 QB.
Florida just signed the #1 dual threat QB for 2024.They must have a really early signing period down there ...
And we turned Miami's #2 dual threat QB for 2023.
Deion Sanders just flipped a 4* RB that was committed to ND in the 2023 class. Now he's poking around a 4* LB committed to Michigan's 2024 class.cruitin is only one piece to the puzzle
This guy is going to be a problem for every school. Hide 'yo commits. Would've loved to see him at Auburn. Think he would've been able to dethrone Saint Nick for good in the SEC West. Auburn instead hires....Hugh Freeze...lol.
he didn't go to Boulder????nope. but Malachi Coleman, who is from Nebraska and I believe was Nebraska's highest rated commit before he opened things back up was suppose to go to Michigan this week for a visit and looked like he might jump in Harbaugh's class, only for at the last second to change plans and visit Coach Prime in Boulder. Sounds like Michigan ain't even 'crootin him anymore over that and Deion might take the top ranked kid from Nebraska. Coleman is one of the highest rated kids the state of Nebraska has produced in a very long time.
Nebraska should've hired Deion for recruitingis his domination at that Trinity HS in TX when he was a HS football coach and his domination at lower CFB levels at Jackson State not proof he can at least head coach a little bit?
I'm still not sold on his head coaching abilities.
He could be a great one, but there's no evidence of that at this point
there's plenty of evidence that Neon can recruit
Neon's path to x number of wins will be much easier in the PACyep. B1G is going to be tough sledding '24 and beyond. Fickell will make Wiscosnin better quickly, I think. Michigan & Ohio State aren't going anywhere anytime soon as long as they've got Harbaugh & Day leading those programs. Penn State looks like it might have a bright future going forward with the 5* QB Drew Allar and 5* RB Nick Singleton being true JRs in '24. USC and UCLA going to be in the conference in '24. Rhule is going to have run a gauntlet meanwhile Coach Prime will have easy sledding.
and when he accomplishes the X number he will be gone to a real conference - not sure how much he will enjoy Boulder
yep. B1G is going to be tough sledding '24 and beyond. Fickell will make Wiscosnin better quickly, I think. Michigan & Ohio State aren't going anywhere anytime soon as long as they've got Harbaugh & Day leading those programs. Penn State looks like it might have a bright future going forward with the 5* QB Drew Allar and 5* RB Nick Singleton being true JRs in '24. USC and UCLA going to be in the conference in '24. Rhule is going to have run a gauntlet meanwhile Coach Prime will have easy sledding.Or both maybe, unless the B1G can snag FSU (and Miami).
Deion is going to wind up at Florida State or in the SEC within the next 3-4 years imo.
MSU adds 3* RB Jaelin Barbarin, who also had offers from KSU, UCLA, WSU and Cal.5* ATH Nyckoles Harbor from DC might be even faster. And he’s 6’5, 230. Runs 10.2’s in the 100m. Seems set on playing offense but man I say put 25-30 on and become a terrifying defense edge rusher.
Extremely undersized, but might be the fastest P5 commit in the class. We'll see if he can survive. Same HS 100 dash time as DK Metcalf. EXTREMELY different bodies.
https://twitter.com/Rivals_Clint/status/1603194297377071104?s=20&t=7NvhtvXuIqozAVXmIRGhsw (https://twitter.com/Rivals_Clint/status/1603194297377071104?s=20&t=7NvhtvXuIqozAVXmIRGhsw)feel like Pierce and the other former Wisconsin DL commit Jamel Howard from IL are seriously underrated. Both are perfect fits for that defensive 3-4 scheme that Michigan plays and Wisconsin used to play. Howard is exactly the kind of big body giant 320-330+ pound nose tackle you need in that scheme and Pierce is a perfect 5-tech end that will play in that 285-295 pound range.
Muck Fichigan.that's what happens when you fire the coach mid-season and change defensive co-ordinators and defensive schemes dude. you tend to you know....loose commits.
Muck Fichigan.+1
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+3Any higher and the SEC fans that linger here can't participate
Any higher and the SEC fans that linger here can't participateI can take my shoes off ...
If it makes you feel any better, many here used to hate Ohio State.used to? speak for yourself. still hate those bastages :)
way back when they were winningOh they're still winning. They just can't seem to beat one team in particular these last couple years. :)
I think if JJ continues to develop into a high pick, things will change. But literally every QB at UM under Harbaugh has seen their draft status fall during their time there.well to be honest, every QB he's had at Michigan has kinda been dogsh*t in terms of raw physical talent aside from Milton & JJ. JJ is the first guy he's had that makes you go...WHOA...this one's a little different now. I think Rudock was by far the best QB he's had at Michigan since JJ came along. Speight was meh. Joe Milton was literally awful. Cade was eh. Shea was pretty good at times- but had really bad bouts of inaccuracy and was turn over prone.
I think it makes it easy to negative recruit, then you throw in NIL
well to be honest, every QB he's had at Michigan has kinda been dogsh*t in terms of raw physical talent aside from Milton & JJ. JJ is the first guy he's had that makes you go...WHOA...this one's a little different now. I think Rudock was by far the best QB he's had at Michigan since JJ came along. Speight was meh. Joe Milton was literally awful. Cade was eh. Shea was pretty good at times- but had really bad bouts of inaccuracy and was turn over prone.Shea was a projected top 10 pick by everyone going into his senior season. And if you need a legit 5* QB to put him in the draft, that's a problem. Not many of those guys, and the vast majority of guys in the draft ain't that guy
Jim's had two 5*'s - Shea and JJ. In retrospect Shea probably should've never been ranked a 5* after seeing his lack of size (he was just over 6') and lack of arm strength. JJ is a legit 6'3ish. Shea had OK arm strength. JJ has a straight up cannon. Shea could move and run, but he definitely didn't have the wheels that JJ has. Shea was fast for a QB. JJ is just fast.
I think Jeem almost leaving for the Minnesota Vikings on NSD is what has bricked his '23 class. No doubt every 'croot has been blasted about that with negative recruiting by every competitor. Jim's '24 class looks like it's going to be much better.
As far as Dante Moore goes, it is sounding like Bo Nix might be coming back and that Moore wants to play right away- which is why he's probably going to flip to UCLA now. Won't even care about CJ Carr in '24 as long as Jim closes the deal on Jadyn Davis. But it's going to really suck to see Bryce Underwood go to the SEC or something when he's going to be a Drew Henson level talent at QB. Moore and Carr are really good, but Underwood is on a completely other level from those guys.
Shea was a projected top 10 pick by everyone going into his senior season. And if you need a legit 5* QB to put him in the draft, that's a problem. Not many of those guys, and the vast majority of guys in the draft ain't that guyIn retrospect maybe Shea was a kid who was over-ranked as a HS recruit that physically peaked in HS who played on a HS all-star small ball team in Louisiana before transferring to the ultimate All-Star team in IMG for his SR year and he went to all the HS camps and combines and passing events and got the early and often exposure a lot of other guys don't get early on in the 'crootin process.
Kenny Picket and Brock Purdy weren't 5 starsYup.
Yup.Sure.
Guys like Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawerence, DeShaun Watson, Tua Taugaviola, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields were. Give me guys like that over Kenny Pickett and Brock Purdy. JMO.
Yup.Tom Brady is smiling
Guys like Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawerence, DeShaun Watson, Tua Taugaviola, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields were. Give me guys like that over Kenny Pickett and Brock Purdy. JMO.
Sure.Well he did have Luck. But that was a long time ago and not at Michigan.
But Jim hasn't even put a Kenny Pickett in the NFL, let alone as a 1st round pick. It's super easy to negative recruit against him as it relates to QB development right now
Well he did have Luck. But that was a long time ago and not at Michigan.I thought Brandon Peters was going to be his breakthrough QB. I don't think he's holding JJ back. I actually sort of appreciate him not simplifying his passing offense, like Ryan Day does. There's nothing wrong with that, it certainly flattens the learning curve, and makes guys more game ready from Day 1, but I think it also lowers the ceiling. But he's also not Jimbo Fisher, with his NCAA PS2 playbook of 80 plays that nobody knows without having to huddle. I think he's got the right balance, and the fact that he's running it with a sophomore is impressive. I'm interested to see what McCarthy does in this offense with a full year of starting under his belt. It's a true pro style offense. I think the OL will probably be a little worse next year, but his weapons should be better, and on paper they have the best defense in the country.
I think you said it before and you're probably right, Jeem is a QB maximizer, he's not a QB "developer" or "whisperer" who can take maybe not as talented a QB and develop him in an innovative system which finds creative ways to find easy yards and manufacture big plays in the passing game.
Jeem just gonna take what he's got at QB and get the most of that QB in his rigid kinda out-dated throwback run heavy west coast, play-action system. Jeem ain't ever gonna have wide open QB reliant systems and develop QBs like Ryan Day or Lincoln Riley. Jeem just is what he is.
I thought Brandon Peters was going to be his breakthrough QB. I don't think he's holding JJ back. I actually sort of appreciate him not simplifying his passing offense, like Ryan Day does. There's nothing wrong with that, it certainly flattens the learning curve, and makes guys more game ready from Day 1, but I think it also lowers the ceiling. But he's also not Jimbo Fisher, with his NCAA PS2 playbook of 80 plays that nobody knows without having to huddle. I think he's got the right balance, and the fact that he's running it with a sophomore is impressive. I'm interested to see what McCarthy does in this offense with a full year of starting under his belt. It's a true pro style offense. I think the OL will probably be a little worse next year, but his weapons should be better, and on paper they have the best defense in the country.I thought it was gonna be McCaffrey. Blood lines and all. Both of those QBs wound up transferring and well stunk at their new schools too. Jeem had some pretty bad QB evals. Milton was hot garbage. Cade was probably the best HS recruit he had at QB til JJ and even then Cade was just an average player.
Rhule didn't keep uncle Donovan Raiola on the staff because the O-line kicked ass last seasonFormer Badger.
https://youtu.be/3cMr5Tb3rDcWe'll be near the.....
Rhule didn't keep uncle Donovan Raiola on the staff because the O-line kicked ass last seasonRhule gets the #1 QB in '24 that turnaround could happen faster than expected.
Badgers are gonna git 5* QB Dylan Raiola???Mertz might keep Wisky away from 5* QB's for a minute.
dammit!
Mertz might keep Wisky away from 5* QB's for a minute.New sheriff in town.
Most of the early chatter is Nebraska or USC. Who knowsUncle Donny was officially retained by Rhule on Dec 9th
The head scratcher is the why. He was solid just a week ago- still helping OSU recruit. Something changed in the last few days. But what?
Uncle Donny was officially retained by Rhule on Dec 9thThere are many saying he always wanted Nebraska- but they ( family) didn’t like Frost.
Nebraska officially dismissed Mickey Joseph Yesterday (Friday)
There are many saying he always wanted Nebraska- but they ( family) didn’t like Frost.have heard this as well. rumor is Frost canceled a visit on him in which the entire extended Raiola family was coming bc Frost was too drunk. Supposedly the family did not like Frost. Apparently a lot of people did not like Frost. Can you blame them? Look at that face....it's incredibly punchable.
Apparently a lot of people did not like Frost. Can you blame them? Look at that face....it's incredibly punchable.A lot of M men would like to punch Frost for stealing half a title in 97
A lot of M men would like to punch Frost for stealing half a title in 97Meh. I don't really care about the split title. It is what it is- that's how ish was does back in that day.
I'll take Frost as opposed to Brian Griese on any level
Meh. I don't really care about the split title. It is what it is- that's how ish was does back in that day.I would suppose some Huskers have have hard feelings towards Frost. I don't really have hard feelings for any of the past coaches.
Griese was a better NFL player as he played in the leauge for 12 years and Frost didn't sniff the NFL for more than 5 minutes.
If I was a Nebraska fan I'd probably hate Frost for awhile after the sh*tshow he put them through as a coach.
Michigan gets a commit from 3* ATH DJ Waller (6'3, 195) from Ohio. Apparently will be tried out at CB, S, or LB depending on how big he gets.Guess he plays receiver and DB he joined his teamate Jason Hewlett who is a qb/db.Just might work out
Guess he plays receiver and DB he joined his teamate Jason Hewlett who is a qb/db.Just might work outreally like that Hewlett pickup by Jeem. Hewlett is rated in 247s internal rankings as a 4* and he’s 6’4, 225 and plays QB, KR, and WR as well as DB. Looks really fast for a kid his size. Think they throw 25-30 pounds on him and he’s gonna be a really athletic edge pass rusher. These are the types of big athletic kids you want on your roster imo.
flip is complete. 5* QB Dante Moore to UCLA. Gonna shoot my shot here. Think there is high shot this kid winds up being a bust. He silent committed to ND, then committed to Oregon, then just flipped to UCLA. That's 3 schools in a year. Wishy washy ones usually don't pan out- especially at that position. Plus he's dead set on starting as a true frosh. True frosh typically aren't ready to play QB at a high level- especially when they aren't walking into a loaded situation. UCLA roster isn't exactly Clemson from few years back or Bama or UGA.And UCLA has had the same 3* QB committed since June. That's why it's hard for me to get to upset. The schools screw the kids too. And coaches jump from job to job
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1604891142000345088?s=20&t=A9ZTZNkCe6NbjF4FGVvfxQ
And UCLA has had the same 3* QB committed since June. That's why it's hard for me to get to upset. The schools screw the kids too. And coaches jump from job to jobYup. And programs/coaches that cater to recruits just to land them- well it usually winds up backfiring on them.
What level of experience does Deion Sanders have as a coach? I know about Jackson State, and I think there was some high school stuff before that. Even if he does OK at CU, it’s the PAC. He’s shown that he can recruit well. He may be a horrible coach, or maybe even mediocre. I’ll be interesting to see how this works out.Hire good Coordinators like Booger's brother did for him in AA
Nebraska made a late offer to 2023 South Dakota offensive/defensive lineman Jason Maciejczak, and it paid off. The 6-foot-4, 320-pounder flipped his commitment from North Dakota to Nebraska on Monday, just days before the early signing period.Hell Lincoln's like Boca Raton compared to Pierre
Maciejczak, who goes to T.F. Riggs High School in Pierre, South Dakota, announced his decision after a Zoom call with Nebraska’s staff on Sunday.
Hire good Coordinators like Booger's brother did for him in AAJeems bro gave him the goods on DC's Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter. Which were great hires. But all of Jeem's ST's and O hires are of his own doing. Jeem has a track record of hiring good coaches that dates back all the way to his days at Stanford. Even in the NFL he had really good assistant coaches. Vic Fangio was a hell of a DC for him at San Fran.
Jeems bro gave him the goods on DC's Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter. Which were great hires. But all of Jeem's ST's and O hires are of his own doing. Jeem has a track record of hiring good coaches that dates back all the way to his days at Stanford. Even in the NFL he had really good assistant coaches. Vic Fangio was a hell of a DC for him at San Fran.as I recall you were ready to kill him and a couple of his hires3-4-5 yrs back
yup, I kinda like Pierre, but Lincoln is betterBeen there? or just googling
Pierre has GREAT walleye fishing
Great steakhouse - Cattleman's
Good wings at Jakes
Restaurant/bar - Mad Mary's
flip is complete. 5* QB Dante Moore to UCLA. Gonna shoot my shot here. Think there is high shot this kid winds up being a bust. He silent committed to ND, then committed to Oregon, then just flipped to UCLA. That's 3 schools in a year. Wishy washy ones usually don't pan out- especially at that position. Plus he's dead set on starting as a true frosh. True frosh typically aren't ready to play QB at a high level- especially when they aren't walking into a loaded situation. UCLA roster isn't exactly Clemson from few years back or Bama or UGA.
yeah and how'd that workout for UCLA and DTR? They went 3-9 and DTR was 1-7 as a true frosh. 4-7 the next year. 2-3 the COVID year. 8-3 last year and about to be 9-4 this year after their who gives a sh*t bowl presented by Big Lots bowl game.
Moore's flip to UCLA is, IMO, a win for both parties, at least from the standpoint of maximizing the potential for both setting each other up for the most success. It makes sense why Moore cooled on Oregon. Not only did his primary recruiter to Oregon (Kenny Dillingham) bail for the head coaching job at Arizona State, but Ducks QB Bo Nix just announced he’s returning to Oregon for another year. On top of all that Chip Kelly’s half decade of patient development with Dorian Thompson-Robinson, more of an athletic project than a ready-made QB, puts Moore in the right hands to start right away. CK started DTR since 2018 as a true freshman.
but, is he a football player?good ?
I'm gonna guess this was announced the day before early signing day for 'crootin purposes?would have been even better for crootin to announce a month or so ago but, better late than later
He might prove me wrong, but for as much as I thought Edwards was underrated, I think Cabana is WAY overrated. Hell, when MSU offered him, I sort of hoped it wasn't commutable yet. He looks like a fast kid, but not a football playerWe'll find out soon just how good he is or ain't. He's enrolling early and will play as a true frosh. He also did put up nearly 2,400 all purpose yards rushing + receiving and scores 38 touchdowns his senior year and was the driving force which lead Dexter to it's first ever state title. So it's not like he doesn't have production on the field to back up those track times. He's also legitimately around 6' and 180 so it's not like he's an undersized 5'7, 160 pound kid like Noel Devine or Vincent Smith back in the day. Miami has been trying desperately to poach him and that coaching staff seems to target players they believe are elite and throw stupid NIL $$$$ at HS recruits. He looks downright explosive, and when he's got a crease and hits the hole he takes off like a bat out of hell. He's legitimately really really fast.
MSU picks up a commitment from a late blooming 3* WR out of Texas. A decade ago, I'd really like this. As it is, I think he needs some seasoning, but has a very high ceiling, but if he doesn't play much his first couple years, will he stick around? Minnesota was his presumed landing spot until MSU offered late.or if he winds up being really good what's to stop him from going to USC or the next highest bidder ala Jordan Addison who won the Bilentikoff at Pitt only to transfer to USC to play with Caleb Williams the next year. Truly a wild wild west with the portal these days.
I'm gonna guess this was announced the day before early signing day for 'crootin purposes?He got more conference championships than booger has. Just sayin'.
BERT signs a new 6 year extension with Illinois. Championship level coaches, eh. Couldn't beat some pretty bad Indiana or Michigan State teams to win his division but somehow that's championship level. 9-9 in conference certainly screams championships baby.
It appears Matt Rhule is not a fan of losing recruits to Oregon and Miami moneyHands up in the air a 'Cane emoji?
Hands up in the air a 'Cane emoji?Correct
(https://i.imgur.com/tXDtbWG.png)They should probably start putting those palms together
He got more conference championships than booger has. Just sayin'.No he doesn't. Jeem won his conference twice at University of San Diego, won the NFC conference in the NFL once, and he's won the B1G conference twice. That's 5 conference championships to BERT's 3. And BERT only got the 2012 B1G title- a season in which Wisconsin went 8-6, because Ohio State got banned from post-season play. Ohio State was 12-0 and had beaten Wisconsin in Madison. Highly suspect "conference title" there that should have an asterik next to it if you ask me.
It appears Matt Rhule is not a fan of losing recruits to Oregon and Miami moneyRhule is preachin to the fan base in Lincoln
BERT ain't won jack in a loooooong time. Hasn't won jack at Illinois and really he sh*t the bed vs two really bad Indiana and Sparty teams otherwise he would've had 10 wins and been playing in the conference championship. That've been something to sunshine pump about at Illinois. Sunshine pumping over an 8 win season is pathetic.this is what a smart agent does - strikes while the iron is luke warm
this is what a smart agent does - strikes while the iron is luke warmlmao very true
Bert needs time. He'll win at Illinois. It was year two. Took booger until year 7.Yeah, I don't buy that. He's not winning anything in the B1G at Illinois, especially with USC/UCLA coming in '24 and with Wisconsin and Nebraska upgrading coaches. Not saying either will be sure things, nothing is. But on paper at least these are upgrades. Fickell was arguably the hottest coaching candidate out there and Rhule can't be worse than the disaster that was Scott Frost.
I was talking about Big Ten titles.
yes they arelmao...pretty much this
they just don't know it
4* QB from Oregon, who flipped from WSU to MSU, signed today. Some were nervous that the trickle down effect of Dante Moore going to UCLA would be Oregon trying to poach this in state kid from MSU4* TE from Dexter, MI (teammate of Cole Cabana) was apparently a heavy UM flip target. Their On3 writer predicted last night that he would in fact flip to UM, but he signed as well.
shots fired at Kirk and Sons...That certainly rules out one transfer destination once he gets processed at Bama.
https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/1605579121861574658?s=20&t=M4Y_3BZei8o3HVdL5pxT-A
I don’t understand why Ryan Day wants his fan base coming after his ass for the next nine months.?
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I don’t understand why Ryan Day wants his fan base coming after his ass for the next nine months.Afternoon martinis?
Maybe it was his comments about recruiting committed players, in response to all of the OSU losses lately.Didn't hear this got a link?A 9 mil. a year Day needs to keep on top of this stuff
By average rating, Wisconsin finishes atop the West in the recruiting rankings through today. Pretty damn good job by Fickel in the past three weeks. Looking forward to a full cycle with him.In the portal era, this is more relevant than ever IMO. You can fill in the back quarter of your class with the portal.
1. OSU 93.57
2. PSU 91.03
3. MSU 89.87
4. M 88.80
5. UW 87.31
6. UNL 87.21
7. NU 86.96
8. PU 86.59
9. IA 86.57
10. MN 86.50
11. MD 86.29
12. IL 85.91
13. IU 85.76
14. RU 85.69
That certainly rules out one transfer destination once he gets processed at Bama.IF he gets processed at Bama. If the kid can really play, Saban will bend over backwards to keep him there and happy.
I don’t understand why Ryan Day wants his fan base coming after his ass for the next nine months.he loses to Michigan next year in Ann Arbor and it goes to 3 in a row- he'll have his fan base wanting to hang him from a tree.
IF he gets processed at Bama. If the kid can really play, Saban will bend over backwards to keep him there and happy.i'm just happy we got an iowa grade ot. we were spoiled for a decade or so with amazing oline, been a few years since we've been dominant there. coaching has as much, or more, to do with that though.
I don’t understand why Ryan Day wants his fan base coming after his ass for the next nine months.just seen his comments, and holy crap what a dork. didn't he literally just flip a 4* QB that had been committed to Washington forever like less than a week ago? Dude worked for Urbs for years. Urbs never met a recruit he couldn't flip, Urbs was the master at it.
By average rating, Wisconsin finishes atop the West in the recruiting rankings through today. Pretty damn good job by Fickel in the past three weeks. Looking forward to a full cycle with him.I keep telling you- your going to like that dude as your coach
1. OSU 93.57
2. PSU 91.03
3. MSU 89.87
4. M 88.80
5. UW 87.31
6. UNL 87.21
7. NU 86.96
8. PU 86.59
9. IA 86.57
10. MN 86.50
11. MD 86.29
12. IL 85.91
13. IU 85.76
14. RU 85.69
I keep telling you- your going to like that dude as your coachof all the new coaches in the West, think Fickell was by far the best hire "on paper" and has the best chance of success imo.
just seen his comments, and holy crap what a dork. didn't he literally just flip a 4* QB that had been committed to Washington forever like less than a week ago? Dude worked for Urbs for years. Urbs never met a recruit he couldn't flip, Urbs was the master at it.Dork? Right on the money with that comment.
https://twitter.com/GriffinStrom3/status/1605618766724767744?s=20&t=8FCTGezSalodwUEhUupKRg
That UofM is killing it in......unfortunatelyI wouldn’t assume that.
IF he gets processed at Bama. If the kid can really play, Saban will bend over backwards to keep him there and happy.I trust 5* linemen much less than I used to.
I wouldn’t assume that.https://www.yahoo.com/now/michigan-football-transfer-portal-player-172927955.html
https://www.yahoo.com/now/michigan-football-transfer-portal-player-172927955.htmlImagine the locker room for guys who committed and spent 2-3 working their ass off, only to be passed up on the depth chart by someone who transfers in from another school or some graduate transfer. It will not sit well.
Not assuming I looked some of the players up and looked to be solid.They'll be immediate contributors as the recruits develop
Imagine the locker room for guys who committed and spent 2-3 working their ass off, only to be passed up on the depth chart by someone who transfers in from another school or some graduate transfer. It will not sit well.Not necessarily anymore it "Roster Management" recruiting,portal,NIL.There will be holes and that's what it is designed to fill immediate needs. You or I would have taken UofMs AA Center in a heart beat
and remember the main reason you have to hit the portal so hard is because you did not recruit well.
I have already read quotes from two recruits and their parents who picked Ohio State Specifically because they don’t engage too heavily in the transfer portal.
Not necessarily anymore it "Roster Management" recruiting,portal,NIL.There will be holes and that's what it is designed to fill immediate needs. You or I would have taken UofMs AA Center in a heart beatOf course. And when OSU got Jonah Jackson as as a graduate transfer, who started every game at tackle, and then got drafted- anyone would have loved that too. Or Trey Sermon, or Chip Trayunum.
Also, recognize Michigan’s highest rated recruit would be OSU’s 8th highest recruit.You could have said the same thing about Michigan's 2018 class vs OSU's 2018 class. Aidan Hutchinson was Michigan's highest rated recruit that cycle and would've been the FOURTEENTH highest rated rated player in OSU's 2018 class.
You could have said the same thing about Michigan's 2018 class vs OSU's 2018 class. Aidan Hutchinson was Michigan's highest rated recruit that cycle and would've been the FOURTEENTH highest rated rated player in OSU's 2018 class.No argument. The college football landscape is littered with stories of two and three star athletes who turned into superstars and four and five star athletes who didn’t pan out at all.
And yet that was the class which laid the foundation for the complete turnaround at Michigan and was the backbone of the smackdowns Michigan has given Ohio State two years in a row. Not one of those 13 guys rated higher than Hutch in OSU's class was remotely the player that Hutchinson became.
I honestly think Michigan/Harbs has changed their approach. They were going after top 5-10 classes early on and were getting them yearly and it just was not working. I think they've changed their approach to find kids that are a better fit for the type of hard nosed tough culture they want that will buy in and are hard workers. A lot of times the 5*'s and the top 100s just ain't that. Lot of them are baby sh*t soft entitled candy asses bc they've been told how awesome they are their entire HS careers.
The 'crootin rankings aren't the end all be all my dude. They obviously matter but they are more or less just a guideline.
I'm now predicting UW gets this kid back on the train.sounds like Michigan is recruiting a 4* Stanford DL commit who hasn't signed and the kid is visting in January. Last DL spot is whoever jumps at it first- that kid or Jamel Howard.
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No argument. The college football landscape is littered with stories of two and three star athletes who turned into superstars and four and five star athletes who didn’t pan out at all.Michigan under Hoke was landing 5* kids that were not any good almost yearly. Derrick Green, Shane Morris, Patrick Kugler, Kyle Bosch, Ondre Pipkins, Drake Harris, list goes on and on. None of these kids could actually play.
my point is a counter to those who are all up in arms because Ohio State didn’t get all the guys they were going after and has not dove deep into the transfer portal yet. They completely forget the great players who are already on the roster from the last year or two of recruiting, and the fact that the transfer portal is still open and signing day officially isn’t until February. My point overall is that Ohio State did extremely well on the recruiting trail again and is in great position.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2022/12/21/college-football-signing-day-winners-losers-alabama-georgia-texas/10930670002/yeah 100%.
It all depends on your opinion I suppose.
Imagine the locker room for guys who committed and spent 2-3 working their ass off, only to be passed up on the depth chart by someone who transfers in from another school or some graduate transfer. It will not sit well.I'd guess the portal is a case by case type thing. Some years you take more, some less. Depending on needs and depth. How the players react to bringing new guys in via portal all speaks to the culture. You build a really strong culture, it shouldn't matter and the players on the team should embrace the new guys imo.
and remember the main reason you have to hit the portal so hard is because you did not recruit well.
hate to see ND recruiting class fall apart at the seams. Oh wait, no you don't.(https://media.tenor.com/nwoJ4BS0XHYAAAAC/oh-no-anyway.gif)
https://twitter.com/RivalsFriedman/status/1605685842067980289?s=20&t=Cm5uRdIG504sf-tJlvB72Q
I trust 5* linemen much less than I used to.never trusted them. OL 'croot ratings are virtually useless imo. Olu Oluwatimi won the Rimington and was the best center in CFB. He was a 2* 'croot ranked in the 3000s out of HS. Zak Zinter might be the best guard in CFB, he was a 3* out of Boston area, not exactly a hotbed for 'crootin' talent. Michigan won the Joe Moore Award for best OL two years in a row, the center on last years OL was a walk-on.
My point overall is that Ohio State did extremely well on the recruiting trail again and is in great position.Hopefully but some may wash out,my point is Michigan brought in 5 proven CFB guys(so far) - even if for just a season can bridge the development gap covering incoming freshman.
A&M's "#1, best class ever!" just had massive defections to the portal after only 1 year.Most of those came in from NIL coin,my guess is sponsors not ponying up for a repeat performance of that
Most of those came in from NIL coin,my guess is sponsors not ponying up for a repeat performance of thatyup. and if all that's getting them to go there is NIL money- then of course when sh&t hits the fan they'll just hit the portal and bounce. which is what happened. they got paid, then bounced.
https://twitter.com/Menace2Sports/status/1605958208287227904?s=20&t=QFK9NYYjEqc218ZQo0OEHghe looks very athletic and mobile. that's the trend that position is and has been going to in college for awhile now. that's one of the major reasons I wanted JJ over Cade last year. that's why as good as Stroud has been as a passer- and he's been better than Fields in that area imo- Fields was better than him at QB at Ohio St. QBs today have to be able to move and make plays with their feet.
Very excited for this kid.
Took the development route as opposed to cash, as he says.
Great athlete- D1 offers in football, Bball and baseball. 6 ft 1 but dunks like a lot bigger guy on the court.
Most of those came in from NIL coin,my guess is sponsors not ponying up for a repeat performance of that
yup. and if all that's getting them to go there is NIL money- then of course when sh&t hits the fan they'll just hit the portal and bounce. which is what happened. they got paid, then bounced.
If you straight-up buy an entire class of mercenaries, then you shouldn't be surprised when those mercenaries bounce for better offers elsewhere.yeah makes no sense paying HS kids imo.
This is one of the main reasons I believe it will stabilize over time. Do you think the people who paid out all that money, believe they received a worthy return on their investment? Do you think they're likely to repeat that behavior in the future?
I mean, I know Longhorn fans like to make a lot of jokes at the aggies' expense about a lack of intelligence, but even their boosters aren't THAT stupid. ;)
The NCAA can and should eliminate the no-sit transfer rule. That would help a lot.That's what I said above. There is no restriction on movement or earnings. You are simply setting your own eligibility rules, like they already do, re: years and academics.
It shouldn't apply to grad transfers. They earned it.
they won't. once they let that cat out of the bag with the portal they were never going to be able to put it back in.We'll see. I think they were doing everything they could to not pay athletes. I don't think they realized how much NIL money would be out there. And that big booster NIL money is simply the access donations being diverted from the school to the players. The coaches may like it, but the power brokers won't.
The NCAA can and should eliminate the no-sit transfer rule. That would help a lot.Yes, this is something the NCAA definitely can control.
It shouldn't apply to grad transfers. They earned it.
(I have no idea if this is true--it's an example; if I were guessing, I would guess that Michigan probably has one of the biggest pools of potential booster cash to fund NILs of any school in major college athletics).All Jeem has to do is make a couple phone calls to Larry Page and Stephen Ross lol.
Florida's class is 9th in the country!Florida got some really good players.
Ah, damn. That's like last in the SEC.
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Optimistic take: Florida's class is 5th in average * rating.
Florida got some really good players.Florida is in Florida.
Florida is in Florida.Florida is also a sieve right now:
All-time commits per 247. How'd they work out for your school? Of UW's 5* (all five of them) only one lived up to it, maybe. Career showing looks more like a 4* to me.I feel a bit bad for Bell. His last year was my first and that knee injury just ruined him. He was just awful that season.
(https://i.imgur.com/xnNvpxm.png)
1. Very good player, hampered a lot with injuries
2. Hasn't seen the field much - passed up by lesser rated kids
3. Bust
4. Great player, but not 5*. 3rd team AA, 6th round pick.
5. Injuries
6. LB recruit turned into a very good TE
7. Very solid Big Ten back
8. Really good Big Ten player
#19 on 247's list was Joe Thomas. #10 was Mertz.
I feel a bit bad for Bell. His last year was my first and that knee injury just ruined him. He was just awful that season.I was there and I was really excited to see UW beat Michigan, until that happened.
He also had that punt at Michigan hit him. Too bad he's remembered for that.
Someone do this:For Ohio State he certainly was. Jury is still out on him at Texas, next year is his put up or shut up year imo. We should cut him some slack, Sark is his coach and he was banged up/injured this year. Very talented player, but he’s going to be losing the best RB in CFB, which is tough loss for any young QB.
(https://i.imgur.com/S0Bu3jf.png)
Clearly #1 is a bust.
All-time commits per 247. How'd they work out for your school?link for this or do I have to dig?
link for this or do I have to dig?(https://i.imgur.com/8VIs3zg.png)
might not be worth it for a Husker fan
(https://i.imgur.com/8VIs3zg.png)Marlon Lucky - not bad, but not NFL material - good pass catcher out of the backfield
Miami trying to buy this kid now....if LSU, Michigan, Miami, Wisconsin, and fatboy BERT (hate the doucher, but the guy knows defense) want your ass badly, you're probably a lot better than the 1,200th ranked player in HS. Just sayin'Kid's a 4* player for sure. Not sure why everyone is sleeping on him ratings wise.
Kid's a 4* player for sure. Not sure why everyone is sleeping on him ratings wise.feel like the true NT's get ranked low by the services a lot for some reason. Jordan Davis for example was like a 3* rated in the 1000s. Obviously they were way wrong on that one.
Nebraska keeps on swooping in players to add to the roster for the upcoming season. Today Nebraska adds four-star wide receiver in Demitrius Bell.See above. I'd be surprised if they can get him eligible
He had other scholarship offers from the likes of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Purdue, Michigan State and Kentucky. He only made official visits to Michigan State and Kentucky before showing up at Nebraska. Bell was a prior Michigan State commit.
The prior staff was also recruiting Bell but when he was scheduled to visit during the Indiana game last season he actually broke his hand the night before.
Bell is now the 26th member of the 2023 class and we have to wonder if they are getting close to wrapping this class up. Specifically since it is estimated that there are nearly 100 (more or less) scholarship players expected to be on the roster for the 2023 fall football season.
HIghest remaining uncommitted recruit, Nyckoles Harbor, signs with South Carolinayeah that was a major head scratcher WTF for sure.
South Carolina makes no sense. They aren't the home town school. They suck at football and track. BUT....apparently his GF goes there. The power of the p*ssy remains undefeated.They looked pretty good down the stretch last year. Better than Oregon for sure