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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: MikeDeTiger on September 12, 2021, 04:26:38 PM
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They will probably win the remaining non-conf. games against Central Michigan and ULM. They might be able to go get a W at Kentucky, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt there. Counting McNeese, that's four wins.
Florida and Alabama are losses. A&M and Arkansas look like losses, both have shown much more on both LOS than the Tigers. Auburn is a loss unless there's more than a 20-year warranty on the Cigar Curse. I'm not a superstitious person, but there was 2017, and that was almost enough to make me a believer. But I don't bet on nonsense and Auburn is a better team. Counting UCLA, that's 6 losses, so 4-6 so far.
Mississippi State used to be a given, as the Tigers exerted one of the worse streaks on the Bulldogs for nearly two decades, even when occasionally Clanga should've won. But they've not only beaten LSU, but whipped their arse in the process, twice in O's short tenure. Ole Miss I don't know much about, but right now you don't need a good defense, you just need LSU to possess the ball and they'll do the sputtering for you. I'll be charitable and say LSU could win both, though splitting them seems more likely, and losing both isn't what I'd call unlikely. That ranges from 4-8 to 6-6.
I think to get 7 LSU is going to have to beat both Mississippi schools and count on Auburn to wet the bed once again in Baton Rouge, and that's assuming they can win in Lexington.
I also think if they don't hit 7, O could set a record for shortest tenure after an undefeated season. He was not Woodward's hire, and I don't think Woodward will sit around while O runs this so far into the ground that LSU can no longer pull a desirable coach. I think there's a chance Woodward may be the first guy to be able to navigate the shark-infested political waters of LSU and make his own decisions instead of being the board and the boosters' puppet.
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Ouch, does not look likely to me. UK is a pretty good team.
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Why so down on LSU so early? I know last year was a disaster, but you seem to think 2019 was the fluke.
I think it’s too early in the season to get desperate. Lots of teams start slow and finish strong.
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Why so down on LSU so early? I know last year was a disaster, but you seem to think 2019 was the fluke.
I think it’s too early in the season to get desperate. Lots of teams start slow and finish strong.
Have you watched LSU's two games? What about them makes you think this team is any different than 2020?
2019 was not a fluke, but neither is it repeatable.
Last year and so far this year reminds me of the Gary Crowton era. It's like watching a bunch of immensely talented guys who just showed up one Saturday night who've never met, never practiced together, and maybe just started playing the game. The difference was somehow Miles squeezed 11 and 12 win seasons out of that scenario for 4 years. I was optimistic that 2018 could be the average for Orgeron, but clearly that's a fantasy.
LSU couldn't run the ball against McNeese. McNeese. The next crossing route LSU figures out how to stop to prevent a 60+ yard TD will be the first in over a year. It's not an exaggeration to say the teams I listed are all better than LSU right now. Wishful thinking says the light bulb could come on for these guys, but wishful thinking is all it is. I've seen this movie too many times.
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Ouch, does not look likely to me. UK is a pretty good team.
They did worse than we did last year, so I'm still holding out an inkling of hope. But it wouldn't shock me to lose that game.
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I'm not sure why so many were high on LSU before the season. 2020 happened and then AGAIN, they replaced both coordinators. That's not a recipe for success.
However, I don't think they're a crap salad. Florida isn't great, trust me.
I'd consider Alabama and Ole Miss losses. I think the Rebs are a 10-2 type team now.
Then out of Florida, UK, A&M, Arky, and Auburn, I'd guess LSU wins 2.
I'd pick them over MSU, so I'm thinking 6-6. Is that 6-6?
A&M looks turrible without their QB. Fortunately for Florida, if our QB got hurt, we'd probably improve.
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I drank LSU Koolaid preseason, I was clearly wrong, badly (not the first time).
I have not seen them play, but from what is mentioned above, they will be dogs to UK I think.
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I'm not sure why so many were high on LSU before the season. 2020 happened and then AGAIN, they replaced both coordinators. That's not a recipe for success.
However, I don't think they're a crap salad. Florida isn't great, trust me.
I'd consider Alabama and Ole Miss losses. I think the Rebs are a 10-2 type team now.
Then out of Florida, UK, A&M, Arky, and Auburn, I'd guess LSU wins 2.
I'd pick them over MSU, so I'm thinking 6-6. Is that 6-6?
A&M looks turrible without their QB. Fortunately for Florida, if our QB got hurt, we'd probably improve.
I don't know who was high on them, or how high, but without following them as much as normal off-season, I was optimistic they could get to 5-3 or possibly 6-2 in the SEC. I based that on addition by subtraction of Bo Pelini, who was the worst coordinator in school history in his second stint. I figured anything had to be better than the problems he manifested last year. Maybe Jones gets that fixed, but the first game was awfully similar to 2020. I also based it on talent, which is a major correlating factor to team success. LSU still ranks #5 on the blue chip ratio. It's not wrong to say this is still one of the most talented teams in the country. Usually with even half-assed coaching a team like that will win a lot of games, say like Larry's Coker's Miami teams before his recruiting dropped. Once is an outlier, so I feel justified in my previous optimism. Twice is a trend, and in two games it seems LSU is headed for a second year of the same, so I feel justified in shifting my view and wondering how they squeeze out 7.
A&M did look rough without their QB. Right now I just don't see how LSU scores any points on them. Or Florida, or Arkansas, or Auburn. Haven't seen the Rebels or Kentucky. They could barely score on McNeese, though I admit that was a game where you see what you wanted to see. It probably tells us nothing. 14 players total including 3 OL starters were out, so you could say that's why they had trouble running and protecting the QB. The converse is you can also say LSU's backups should be able to push McNeese around. You could say the defense looked way better, including covering crossing routes, which were (are) the primary problems with LSU's porous pass defense. And I look at it and say big deal, it was McNeese. UCLA still murdered them just a week prior with crossing routes, over and over and over. I don't think Saturday really told us anything, other than LSU probably still has big problems running the ball. And Brad Johnson's kid isn't cut out to mitigate below-average protection from his line.
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I also think if they don't hit 7, O could set a record for shortest tenure after an undefeated season.
No, that's wrong. Chizik was fired after only two seasons after his 2010 undefeated season at Auburn. I'm going from memory, but I believe he only lasted 2011 and 2012. Pretty sure Malzahn was Auburn's coach by 2013.
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I want to say we fans tend to forget that against these creampuffs, the play-calling can be quite vanilla.
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It's official, LSU is worse than Fresno St.
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Last night's SNF game had some interesting trivia.
Q: What do Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson have in common?
A: Both ended their fantastic college careers with crushing defeats to LSU.
And yes, I plan on living in the past and finding irrelevant things to make me feel better.
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So this is a kinda-neat connection to some other SEC schools. I mentioned the current QB is Brad Johnson's son. Turns out the current backup is Doug Nussmeier's son, who was OC and QB coach at both Alabama and Florida within the last several years. Currently the QB for the Dallas Cowboys. Little Nussmeier hasn't yet learned to step up in the pocket, but I like his attitude.
No wonder Brennan can't be the starting QB. It's not because he keeps having fluky injuries, it's because his dad isn't "somebody."
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Johnson is also Mark Richt's nephew. Huh. I never knew Richt and Brad Johnson were brother-in-laws. I assumed Richt was the brother of the kid's mom because of the names. Got a glimpse of her on TV in the stands the other day and you can tell by the face that's Richt's sister.
I would also rather talk about obscure relationships that don't matter than the state of LSU football.
How long until baseball starts?
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Wow, LSU is about to play 5 more ranked teams in a row (6 in all).
Good luck with that.
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I hear we have some very aerodynamic footwear this year. Maybe Florida will find it irresistible and help us out again.
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Yeah, um, no.
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I figure they have some reasonable shot against UK and Ole Miss and A&M, they should beat ULM. Arky and UF, probably not, they could spring an upset of course.
If they win out, they win the West unless Auburn does the same. Um, low prob there.
So, at 3-2, maybe they win 2 of the first 3 listed and find an upset with Florida? With ULM, they get to 7, but that looks improbable to me. A 6-6 season, which could be 5-7 easily enough, and you figure O is gOne.
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Seven wins is difficult but doable if they can play up to their ability. ULM is a given. Vegas thinks the Kentucky game is almost a toss up. IMO neither Arkansas nor A&M are very good. So that's seven wins. If they stumble upset Alabama, Mississippi of Florida.
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Yeah, no.
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Seven wins is difficult but doable if they can play up to their ability. ULM is a given. Vegas thinks the Kentucky game is almost a toss up. IMO neither Arkansas nor A&M are very good. So that's seven wins. If they stumble upset Alabama, Mississippi of Florida.
This did not age well.
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This did not age well.
Perhaps not, but then again...
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Neaux.
Unless they make a bowl, win it, and you count that.
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I figure they have some reasonable shot against UK and Ole Miss and A&M, they should beat ULM. Arky and UF, probably not, they could spring an upset of course.
If they win out, they win the West unless Auburn does the same. Um, low prob there.
So, at 3-2, maybe they win 2 of the first 3 listed and find an upset with Florida? With ULM, they get to 7, but that looks improbable to me. A 6-6 season, which could be 5-7 easily enough, and you figure O is gOne.
This did not age well.
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They will probably win the remaining non-conf. games against Central Michigan and ULM. They might be able to go get a W at Kentucky, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt there. Counting McNeese, that's four wins.
Florida and Alabama are losses. A&M and Arkansas look like losses, both have shown much more on both LOS than the Tigers. Auburn is a loss unless there's more than a 20-year warranty on the Cigar Curse. I'm not a superstitious person, but there was 2017, and that was almost enough to make me a believer. But I don't bet on nonsense and Auburn is a better team. Counting UCLA, that's 6 losses, so 4-6 so far.
Mississippi State used to be a given, as the Tigers exerted one of the worse streaks on the Bulldogs for nearly two decades, even when occasionally Clanga should've won. But they've not only beaten LSU, but whipped their arse in the process, twice in O's short tenure. Ole Miss I don't know much about, but right now you don't need a good defense, you just need LSU to possess the ball and they'll do the sputtering for you. I'll be charitable and say LSU could win both, though splitting them seems more likely, and losing both isn't what I'd call unlikely. That ranges from 4-8 to 6-6.
I think to get 7 LSU is going to have to beat both Mississippi schools and count on Auburn to wet the bed once again in Baton Rouge, and that's assuming they can win in Lexington.
I also think if they don't hit 7, O could set a record for shortest tenure after an undefeated season. He was not Woodward's hire, and I don't think Woodward will sit around while O runs this so far into the ground that LSU can no longer pull a desirable coach. I think there's a chance Woodward may be the first guy to be able to navigate the shark-infested political waters of LSU and make his own decisions instead of being the board and the boosters' puppet.
Not too bad. Did not peg the Florida win and Kentucky loss, but 6-6 was within my range.
Also nailed O's departure, although that turned out to be sealed for off-field reasons well before failing to hit 7 wins. What I got right was he had no room for error with the current AD.