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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: betarhoalphadelta on January 04, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
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Thought I'd kick this one off...
Two key storylines I see right now:
- Based on numbers, right now Purdue looks to be about 7-8 scholarships over the 85 limit for 2018. Obviously sentiment within Purdue fandom is that the coaching staff wouldn't have allowed this many incoming players to sign unless they were pretty sure those slots would open up due to transfers/etc. And I suspect this is somewhat common when a new coaching staff comes in, as there will be defections of certain players who fit the old coach's scheme and are pretty certain now that they won't get any playing time. But this will be a developing story during spring/summer until the numbers come in at/below 85.
- Purdue goes into 2018 with the same, if not more, uncertainty at QB than they did in 2017. Blough's timeline from his ankle injury probably keeps him somewhat restricted for spring ball, if he can participate at all. Sindelar had surgery for his torn ACL right after the bowl game, so probably will miss all of spring ball and probably all/most of the summer too. Although apparently it was a minor tear, so perhaps he will be ready for the season or can work out on a limited fashion during fall camp. But Purdue has Nick Sipe, a highly recruited guy, who redshirted last year, as well as Jack Plummer, a favorite of Brohm coming in as a frosh. They also have Jared Sparks [3rd string this year but saw the field at WR position and occasional wildcat] and Griffin Alstott on the roster ostensibly still at the QB position. Any of those players might see some run in spring and summer/fall practice and could impress and build rapport with the WR corps, many of whom will be new.
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Most of the schools in the Big Ten are committed to giving players four years. In general, I look at players who are RS juniors (4th year) when I look at who might be leaving. I have no issue with this - particularly if the player is going to get a degree.
I DO have a problem when coaches run kids off if they realize they simply can't play. At least give the kid 4 years.
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I doubt that Brohm is telling these kids that their scholarship will get yanked. I'll bet he's telling them that if they want to stay, they're welcome to, but based on X, Y, and Z (scheme, talent, incoming recruits) that there's very little chance they'll ever see the field. And that hey, if you want to transfer, we'll do everything we can to help you in that process.
He doesn't seem like the type to just "run players off". But I'm sure he's telling them with full honesty that if they are in this to see the field, it's probably never going to happen if they stay.
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I guarantee you he already knows who is leaving. He's not 7-8 over the limit by accident. If a kid has 4 years and is going to graduate, it's OK to say "you're done here" and let him move on. If he wants to play (and is any good at it) he'll find a place to play and get a masters. Nothing wrong with that.
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Per GBI they're currently 2 under next year counting the Dec signees. 1 will go to top WR Rondale Moore who is expected to announce Purdue on Saturday (he had been a Texas commit for a while but has long known the Brohm family and wants to start right away.) The other will likely got a 5th yr transfer on either OL or front 7. Hopefully they can find another kickass player like McCollum.
Also, they expect a couple more spots to open. Unfortunately one is a guy they can't afford to lose, Eddy Wilson, who again isn't completing his academics satisfactorily.
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Hopefully they can find another kickass player like McCollum.
I don't care if they can find another player who can kick ass, I just want a player who can kick.
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Posted this in the recruiting thread, but WR Rondale Moore (4* according to 247) committed to the Boilers during the Army All-American Game. Not often that we have a recruit *in* that game.
That only makes our recruiting class 42nd in the nation and 10th in the conference (according to 247), but both marks are well beyond what Hazell ever did, and probably beyond what Hope was doing although I didn't look back that far.
I think we might have several WR recruits coming in who could be instant impact guys, and Moore is without a doubt one of those. Although I don't know what that will mean for Jackson Anthrop. I would expect that Brohm is smart enough to figure out a way to use both of them regularly, even though I think Moore is the better overall talent.
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I'm really liking what Purdue is doing right now. If Brohm stays I think PU is going to start making some real noise. It's already starting and it's great to see.
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I'm really liking what Purdue is doing right now. If Brohm stays I think PU is going to start making some real noise. It's already starting and it's great to see.
Plus the bar to reach #2 in the West is so low
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I think Brohm stays at least 4 years. He's not the type of guy that covets money and fame. He loves the game, and has blue collar values, he represents himself in negotiations. Purdue is a good fit for him. I never once worried about Tennessee or any other jobs that Brohm was a "target" for. It was all nonsense. I think Louisville is the only job that would worry me, it's his home, his Alma mater, and the family is royalty there.
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Moore was a great get for Purdue. As mentioned, he was committed to Texas, and also had offers from Ohio State, Georgia, and a bunch of other B1G, ACC, and SEC programs.
Moore is a real "stretch the field" WR. I don't see how Brohm keeps him on the sidelines. Watching video on him, he reminds me of a Dorien Bryant type WR. Anthrop, who has the heart of a lion, will most likely have to see time on special teams and special plays.
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Moore is a real "stretch the field" WR. I don't see how Brohm keeps him on the sidelines. Watching video on him, he reminds me of a Dorien Bryant type WR. Anthrop, who has the heart of a lion, will most likely have to see time on special teams and special plays.
I don't think that in any head-to-head matchup, Anthrop will beat out Moore for a spot. But I do think Anthrop is one of our better receivers, and that Brohm will find ways to keep him on the field without taking Moore off.
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Plus the bar to reach #2 in the West is so low
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Darn. I'd have thought MSU fans would recognize that Northwestern was pretty good this past season.
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Brohm receives extension:
https://www.hammerandrails.com/2018/4/26/17286632/breaking-jeff-brohm-receives-an-extension
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It would be great to see a coach build up a program and STAY there.
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https://247sports.com/Article/How-Jeff-Brohm-made-Purdue-believe-it-can-win-118091374/
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Sounds like Purdue or Northwestern are the favorites for Clemson transfer QB Hunter Johnson. He was a 4* recruit in the 2015 class, but seemingly lost out to 2017 recruit Trevor Lawrence to back up Kelly Bryant.
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Sounds like Purdue or Northwestern are the favorites for Clemson transfer QB Hunter Johnson. He was a 4* recruit in the 2015 class, but seemingly lost out to 2017 recruit Trevor Lawrence to back up Kelly Bryant.
I read his brother is at Northwestern? I would think if not for that, Purdue would be a more likely home, with Brohm and his QB-friendly offense. Fitzgerald has had some good QBs, but hasn't exactly been the same level of QB whisperer that Brohm has.
Still, though, Purdue is going to have a lot more competition. Johnson would have to sit out a year, but Sindelar will be a Sr in 2019. He'd have to beat Sindelar out to start in 2019, and then face a pretty solid depth chart in 2020 with Jack Plummer (Brohm's preferred 2018 QB recruit) and Nick Sipe battling him for the job.
So he'd have to really believe he was a shoo-in to beat Sindelar in 2019 and the others in 2020 to want to go to West Lafayette.
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BTW it appears that he was a 2017 recruit, so after sitting out he'd still have 3 years eligibility. That makes it more likely he'd be willing to come to Purdue and compete with Sindelar in 2019 (assuming Sindelar hasn't left for the NFL, which he could do with his cannon arm if he shows well this year) and still have 2020 and 2021 to own the job.
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If he improves the team and if Brohm feels he will develop better than what he has?
Then, why not?
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BTW it appears that he was a 2017 recruit, so after sitting out he'd still have 3 years eligibility. That makes it more likely he'd be willing to come to Purdue and compete with Sindelar in 2019 (assuming Sindelar hasn't left for the NFL, which he could do with his cannon arm if he shows well this year) and still have 2020 and 2021 to own the job.
Yeah, that was a typo. He has 4 years to play 3.
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Picked Northwestern
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Not sure where else to put this, but this might be worth its own thread.
Rondale Moore is the first freshman in B1G history to be named a consensus All-American.
Good for him!
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That's hard to believe (not a shot at Moore of course). Nobody, really?
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That's hard to believe (not a shot at Moore of course). Nobody, really?
I was surprised as well.
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corngrats to Moore
no wonder MArtinez couldn't get a Big Ten Freshman of the week
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corngrats to Moore
no wonder MArtinez couldn't get a Big Ten Freshman of the week
Didn't he get multiple?
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he shared a couple with Moore
was pretty good, Frost asked who won the award if it wasn't MArtinez at his Monday press conference. Reporter says, Rondale Moore. Frost smiles and says, oh yeah, he's pretty good!
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Yeah, he was pretty ridonkulous. Congrats.
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he shared a couple with Moore
was pretty good, Frost asked who won the award if it wasn't MArtinez at his Monday press conference. Reporter says, Rondale Moore. Frost smiles and says, oh yeah, he's pretty good!
Yep. Martinez was great. He certainly put up a worthy year.
I don't think anyone would have been shocked if he'd been Freshman of the year. But I doubt anyone is upset losing to Moore either.
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That kid is amazing. Love to watch him play.
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I think its great when the Big 11 teams of the Big Ten have great athletes, too.
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He made his mark the first week too, there was no sneaking around, he was a stud out of the gates.
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That's hard to believe (not a shot at Moore of course). Nobody, really?
I was surprised to find out that there's only been 3 true freshman Consensus All-Americans in NCAA history.
Moore is in elite company, with Adrian Peterson and Herschel Walker being the only other 2 that have done it.
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He made his mark the first week too, there was no sneaking around, he was a stud out of the gates.
Yup.
Then he followed that up with a pretty lousy game against Eastern Michigan, bolstered by 1 big run, and I remember thinking, ok, the kid is good, but at least we can pump the brakes a second. Then he had 137 receiving yards the following week.
After his big game against Ohio State, he had 11 catches against MSU, but for only 74 yards (which is almost impossible to do); then 6 for 31 the following week against Iowa. Figured he was hitting a bit of a freshman wall, combined with defenses keying on him, and Purdue forcing the ball there anyway. Nope, closed with 21 catches for 255 yards and 4 TDs over the final two weeks against Wisconsin and Indiana.
Every time you figured reality was about to set in, he answered.
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Despite his later …...troubles, I'm kinda surprised that Maurice Clarett was not a freshman all-American.
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Despite his later …...troubles, I'm kinda surprised that Maurice Clarett was not a freshman all-American.
That was my first thought, but wasn't he injured down the stretch of that season too?
Plus the RBs that year were Larry Johnson and Willis McGahee, tough group to crack. Clarett didn't return kicks, so he didn't have a shot at breaking in there, like Moore did. If Moore was only eligible as a WR, he wouldn't have been in either.
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Clarett didn't return kicks, so he didn't have a shot at breaking in there, like Moore did. If Moore was only eligible as a WR, he wouldn't have been in either.
Oddly, Moore wasn't exactly as electric returning kicks as you'd expect given how good he was in the open field.
I do think he was listed as "All-Purpose" on one [or maybe more] of the All-American awards... I suppose that accounts for his receiving, his rushing, and his kick returns. But stat-wise, Moore wasn't really that much of a leader as a PR or KR. His averages would have put him mid-pack in the B1G.
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Oddly, Moore wasn't exactly as electric returning kicks as you'd expect given how good he was in the open field.
I do think he was listed as "All-Purpose" on one [or maybe more] of the All-American awards... I suppose that accounts for his receiving, his rushing, and his kick returns. But stat-wise, Moore wasn't really that much of a leader as a PR or KR. His averages would have put him mid-pack in the B1G.
Yeah, I don't know what you need to do to qualify for each, but Andy Isabella and Jerry Jeudy were the consensus WRs and Moore was consensus as "All Purpose"
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It was pretty significant. Rondale was the first true frosh consensus AA in Big Ten history. Last one was Adrian Peterson in 2004.
https://purdue.rivals.com/news/ncaa-names-rondale-moore-a-consensus-all-america-selection