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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MarqHusker on June 08, 2021, 12:27:09 AM
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Assuming they are still 'on', but worth opening this up as Teams/athletes qualify. Of note to some of us, given impressive B1G representation. Women's volleyball has announced its Olympic roster today, some surprises here. HC Karch Kiraly may take some heat if the U.S. doesn't reach Gold medal match. Assume: Serbia, Italy, Brazil, China, U.S. are the top teams. US won silver in 2012, Bronze in 2016.
1 Micha Hancock (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/micha-hancock/) (S, 5-11, Edmond, Okla., Penn State Univ.)
2 Jordyn Poulter (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/jordyn-poulter/) (S, 6-2, Aurora, Colo., Univ. of Illinois)
4 Justine Wong Orantes (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/justine-wong-orantes/) (L, 5-6, Cypress, Calif., Univ. of Nebraska)
10 Jordan Larson (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/jordan-larson/) (OH, 6-2, Hooper, Neb., Univ. of Nebraska)
11 Annie Drews (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/annie-drews/) (OPP, 6-4, Elkhart, Ind., Purdue Univ.)
12 Jordan Thompson (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/jordan-thompson/) (OPP, 6-4, Edina, Minn., Univ. of Cincinnati)
14 Michelle Bartsch-Hackley (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/michelle-bartsch-hackley/) (OH, 6-3, Champaign, Ill., Univ. of Illinois)
15 Kim Hill (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/kim-hill/)(OH, 6-4, Portland, Ore., Pepperdine, Univ.)
16 Foluke Akinradewo Gunderson (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/foluke-akinradewo/) (M, 6-3, Fort Lauderdale, Fla., Stanford Univ.)
22 Haleigh Washington (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/haleigh-washington/) (M, 6-3, Colorado Springs, Colo., Penn State Univ.)
23 Kelsey Robinson (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/kelsey-robinson/) (OH, 6-2, Manhattan Beach, Calif., Univ. of Nebraska)
24 Chiaka Ogbogu (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/chiaka-ogbogu/) (M, 6-2, Coppell, Texas, Univ. of Texas)
Alternates
3 Kathryn Plummer (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/kathryn-plummer/) (OH, 6-6, Aliso Viejo, Calif., Stanford Univ.)
6 Tori Dixon (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/tori-dixon/) (M, 6-3, Burnsville, Minn., Univ. of Minnesota)
7 Lauren Carlini (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/lauren-carlini/) (S, 6-2, Aurora, Ill., Univ. of Wisconsin)
8 Hannah Tapp (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/hannah-tapp/) (M, 6-3, Stewartville, Minn., Univ. of Minnesota)
13 Sarah Wilhite Parsons (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/sarah-wilhite-parsons/) (OH, 6-2, Eden Prairie, Minn., Univ. of Minnesota)
17 Megan Courtney (https://usavolleyball.org/athlete/megan-courtney/) (L, 6-1, Dayton, Ohio, Penn State Univ.)
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I believe the US qualified in all of the "team" sports with the exception of men's soccer and 3x3 men's basketball.
Baseball qualified with their win over Venezuela on Saturday, and I believe that was the last pending result
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Hey, who can't say things are getting better?
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/running-a-marathon-was-never-crazier-or-harder-than-during-the-1904-st-louis-olympics/ar-BB17bxx0
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How do you rank the events from "most interested" in watching to "least interested"?
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How do you rank the events from "most interested" in watching to "least interested"?
Im in for womens volleyball
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Hey, who can't say things are getting better?
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/running-a-marathon-was-never-crazier-or-harder-than-during-the-1904-st-louis-olympics/ar-BB17bxx0
Suddenly interested in a brandy/rat poison cocktail
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USA mens basketball...yikes.
Don't even qualify in 3x3. Full squad looking awful
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Im in for womens volleyball
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6Rk4b2UYAMh50C?format=jpg&name=large)
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Opening ceremonies, such as they are, are live nationwide on NBC.
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Opening ceremonies, such as they are, are live nationwide on NBC.
I do enjoy the Olympics. I've already watched some rowing. But I fail to see why they still have an opening ceremonies
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I enjoy that at 6 in the morning I could watch the sunrise on the beach and then some judo
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For anyone watching the Olympics what is the draw anymore? The opening ceremonies? The novelty of specific competitions? At this point the Olympics is falling into the same irrelevancy as the Miss America Pageant or subscribing to Cable TV. Gone are the days of massive ratings or transcendent stories such as the 1996 Woman’s Gymnastics Gold Medal run. And it doesn’t help that hype for the Olympics has soured into nothing to do with particular athletes (in terms of their competitions) or the competitions themselves. Case in point, this past month’s most trafficked Olympic headlines are, depressingly, as follows:
Olympian Mothers Forced to Choose Between Competing and Breastfeeding (The Mary Sue)
A transgender woman weightlifter's Olympic dream has sparked an existential debate about what it means to be female (CNN)
Team USA Sprint Sensation Sha’Carri Richardson Fails Drug Test and May Miss Olympics (Wall Street Journal)
Soul Cap, designed for swimmers with natural Black hair, banned from Tokyo Olympics (NPR)
Norway’s Women's Beach Handball Team Is Fined For Not Wanting To Wear Sexist Bikini Bottoms (NPR)
U.S. Olympic Trials: Hammer thrower Gwen Berry turns away from flag during anthem (The Athletic)
2021 Olympics Are Turning Into a $20 Billion Bust for Japan (Wall Street Journal)
Japanese cower from Olympics they don’t want and should not be happening (Guardian)
And lest we leave Covid out…
Tokyo virus cases hit 6-month high 2 days before Games open (Associated Press)
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For anyone watching the Olympics what is the draw anymore? The opening ceremonies? The novelty of specific competitions? At this point the Olympics is falling into the same irrelevancy as the Miss America Pageant or subscribing to Cable TV. Gone are the days of massive ratings or transcendent stories such as the 1996 Woman’s Gymnastics Gold Medal run. And it doesn’t help that hype for the Olympics has soured into nothing to do with particular athletes (in terms of their competitions) or the competitions themselves. Case in point, this past month’s most trafficked Olympic headlines are, depressingly, as follows:
Olympian Mothers Forced to Choose Between Competing and Breastfeeding (The Mary Sue)
A transgender woman weightlifter's Olympic dream has sparked an existential debate about what it means to be female (CNN)
Team USA Sprint Sensation Sha’Carri Richardson Fails Drug Test and May Miss Olympics (Wall Street Journal)
Soul Cap, designed for swimmers with natural Black hair, banned from Tokyo Olympics (NPR)
Norway’s Women's Beach Handball Team Is Fined For Not Wanting To Wear Sexist Bikini Bottoms (NPR)
U.S. Olympic Trials: Hammer thrower Gwen Berry turns away from flag during anthem (The Athletic)
2021 Olympics Are Turning Into a $20 Billion Bust for Japan (Wall Street Journal)
Japanese cower from Olympics they don’t want and should not be happening (Guardian)
And lest we leave Covid out…
Tokyo virus cases hit 6-month high 2 days before Games open (Associated Press)
And you’re saying it mildly.
I used to be thrilled as a youngster when the Olympics rolled around and washed every second that I could get with my family.
between everything you’ve already mentioned in the fact that most of these athletes are highly compensated, my interest level could not be lower. It’s not even a conscious decision, I’m just not inclined to tune in to any of it because it is completely meaningless to me. It’s more about “platforms“ and messages, and social media drama and very little to do with real sports.
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I like watching international soccer so I watch those in the Olympics. It definitely makes it harder to get into it when the USMNT doesn't make the cut, but I'll be watching the USWNT with my soccer-loving daughter.
I also generally like watching the gymnastics. Some events more than others.
The volleyball is fun. And beach volleyball.
Sometimes some swimming and diving.
That's about it.
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what was this crap about both a male and a female holding the country flag
one of those things that sound good but in practice was stupid
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and whats up with the Japanese alphabet
the countries were arranged by the Japanese alphabet and that fine but it didnt make sense
a group of say countries starting with a B would march in then maybe a country starting with a U and then more countries starting with a B
it was crazy
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I'm actually much more interested than I used to be. Seeing the very best of sports I don't usually watch is interesting.
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I like watching international soccer so I watch those in the Olympics. It definitely makes it harder to get into it when the USMNT doesn't make the cut, but I'll be watching the USWNT with my soccer-loving daughter.
I also generally like watching the gymnastics. Some events more than others.
The volleyball is fun. And beach volleyball.
Sometimes some swimming and diving.
That's about it.
I’m glad you and your children still like soccer. My girls were both pretty good and played the highest level of travel and high school soccer. But they lost interest when it turned into political and social media drama
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I’m glad you and your children still like soccer. My girls were both pretty good and played the highest level of travel and high school soccer. But they lost interest when it turned into political and social media drama
My kids don't give a crap about social media. I've raised them right.
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I care about the sports where the best athletes want to/can participate.
At least the men's soccer rules limiting the best players are consistent. Basketball and baseball are dumb, because it's not the best, it's not even the best under 23, or something. It's just a random collection of guys, who happened to be from that country.
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For anyone watching the Olympics what is the draw anymore?
Sports is sports. Better than anything else on TV.
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My kids don't give a crap about social media. I've raised them right.
My kids care about humans. They care about the world. They care about character.
They love sports. They want sports to be about sports. They want to enjoy it without having to hear all the BS.
one is a Nurse Anesthesiologist and one is a Biomedical engineer.
I have raised them well. I hope they never stop being turned off by a media that turns sports into politics, and drama not related to sports.
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My kids care about humans. They care about the world. They care about character.
They love sports. They want sports to be about sports. They want to enjoy it without having to hear all the BS.
one is a Nurse Anesthesiologist and one is a Biomedical engineer.
I have raised them well. I hope they never stop being turned off by a media that turns sports into politics, and drama not related to sports.
Eh, if you let yourself be moved by the drama, then you're part of the problem.
I'll take my kids' position over yours, any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's easy to see they're much happier and more fun to be around, than you are.
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Eh, if you let yourself be moved by the drama, then you're part of the problem.
I'll take my kids' position over yours, any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's easy to see they're much happier and more fun to be around, than you are.
As you often do, with your sort of condescending know it all, arrogant attitude which you have become known for here, You got it all wrong
I couldn’t be happier. Maybe you’re happy watching something that I don’t like and that makes me happy that you’re happy but please don’t degrade my position just because I don’t like the same things you do.
your kids do and like what makes them happy. That is awesome. So do mine. And mine are independent of me- they do what they like and watch what they like. And they do everything. They are out hiking as we speak- in the Great Smokey mountains.
And exactly what is this problem you say I am part of? I can’t prefer certain sports or things to do or watch without your criticism? Like millions of others I choose to enjoy what I like, and not things I don’t. You missed it completely. The drama can’t move me. I don’t watch it.
If you had a clue about me- and you don’t- which is why you don’t have the right to say how fun I am to be around- you would know that my great success in my personal and career life is attributed to my many friends, family and coworkers to exactly that- I am very lighthearted -fun, and don’t take myself too seriously
I am sorry you are so butt hurt that Olympics don’t entertain me. It if they work for you- why do you care what works for me? Why does that send you off on a personal attack? Why does it make you so sure you are so superior?
For an administrator to the site you sure can be a disappointment.
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did anyone see those drones last night?
how in hell do they do that
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As you often do, with your sort of condescending know it all, arrogant attitude which you have become known for here, You got it all wrong
I couldn’t be happier. Maybe you’re happy watching something that I don’t like and that makes me happy that you’re happy but please don’t degrade my position just because I don’t like the same things you do.
your kids do and like what makes them happy. That is awesome. So do mine. And mine are independent of me- they do what they like and watch what they like. And they do everything. They are out hiking as we speak- in the Great Smokey mountains.
And exactly what is this problem you say I am part of? I can’t prefer certain sports or things to do or watch without your criticism? Like millions of others I choose to enjoy what I like, and not things I don’t. You missed it completely. The drama can’t move me. I don’t watch it.
If you had a clue about me- and you don’t- which is why you don’t have the right to say how fun I am to be around- you would know that my great success in my personal and career life is attributed to my many friends, family and coworkers to exactly that- I am very lighthearted -fun, and don’t take myself too seriously
I am sorry you are so butt hurt that Olympics don’t entertain me. It if they work for you- why do you care what works for me? Why does that send you off on a personal attack? Why does it make you so sure you are so superior?
For an administrator to the site you sure can be a disappointment.
Eh, likewise, I'm sure.
If you're not actually as miserable in real life as you usually seem on this site, that's great news and I'm delighted for you, your family, and friends.
But you weren't talking about sports you do or don't like. You were talking about no longer liking a sport because of outside jibber-jabber. That's something entirely different.
I choose to ignore the outside jibber-jabber, and my kids certainly don't give a rat's ass about it, either.
I also enjoy watching movies and listening to music, even when the actors' and artists' opinions don't coincide with mine. It's all completely irrelevant to me.
You can certainly choose to be angered by the outside stuff, but it's not going to improve your enjoyment of life any.
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Eh, likewise, I'm sure.
If you're not actually as miserable in real life as you usually seem on this site, that's great news and I'm delighted for you, your family, and friends.
But you weren't talking about sports you do or don't like. You were talking about no longer liking a sport because of outside jibber-jabber. That's something entirely different.
I choose to ignore the outside jibber-jabber, and my kids certainly don't give a rat's ass about it, either.
I also enjoy watching movies and listening to music, even when the actors' and artists' opinions don't coincide with mine. It's all completely irrelevant to me.
You can certainly choose to be angered by the outside stuff, but it's not going to improve your enjoyment of life any.
Who is angered?
I could’ve posted your exact post right here Word for Word and it would be true about me and my kids as well.
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Coolio
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Btw, in the car driving back to Ohio. I watched judo this morning and didn't understand it even a little bit. Not sure the announcers did either. But it was entertaining.
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Btw, in the car driving back to Ohio. I watched judo this morning and didn't understand it even a little bit. Not sure the announcers did either. But it was entertaining.
Judo is a cool sport. I did intramural judo my freshman year at Purdue, after having spent ages 11-18 doing martial arts (Hapkido).
I always found the Austin Powers movie funny because he keeps saying "judo chop!" when in judo there are no striking movements allowed... It's entirely grappling.
But basically the way to understand judo is that it's like standard HS/college wrestling, but with choke holds and other submission moves (arm bars, etc) allowed. And of course having the judo gi gives you leverage to grab onto for throws and potentially to execute chokes--you can get someone to submit to a choke using their uniform to execute the choke.
A "pin" is different in judo. A pin is 20 seconds, but it doesn't require both shoulder blades to be down the entire time like wrestling. One shoulder blade down suffices.
The other difference is the scoring. Getting a "full point" will win a match. If you execute a throw, you can either get a full point, half point, or lesser scores. The full point will immediately end a match in a single throw. The half points are additive, so if the match requires you to square up again and you've scored a half point throw already, and you get another half point throw, you've won the match. The other lesser scores aren't additive, but can be used if the match goes to decision. And then of course, if you get your opponent to submit, you've won the match.
Basically the scoring of the throw is based on how aggressive and violent it is, how much you slam your opponent to the mat, etc. Because of my previous experience (having been taught how to safely fall when thrown), I actually volunteered to be the dummy when our instructor demonstrated what sort of throws would generate the lesser points, half point, and full point. The full point was quite a throw lol...
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US looked a bit rusty tonight vs ARG...
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Judo is a cool sport. I did intramural judo my freshman year at Purdue, after having spent ages 11-18 doing martial arts (Hapkido).
I always found the Austin Powers movie funny because he keeps saying "judo chop!" when in judo there are no striking movements allowed... It's entirely grappling.
But basically the way to understand judo is that it's like standard HS/college wrestling, but with choke holds and other submission moves (arm bars, etc) allowed. And of course having the judo gi gives you leverage to grab onto for throws and potentially to execute chokes--you can get someone to submit to a choke using their uniform to execute the choke.
A "pin" is different in judo. A pin is 20 seconds, but it doesn't require both shoulder blades to be down the entire time like wrestling. One shoulder blade down suffices.
The other difference is the scoring. Getting a "full point" will win a match. If you execute a throw, you can either get a full point, half point, or lesser scores. The full point will immediately end a match in a single throw. The half points are additive, so if the match requires you to square up again and you've scored a half point throw already, and you get another half point throw, you've won the match. The other lesser scores aren't additive, but can be used if the match goes to decision. And then of course, if you get your opponent to submit, you've won the match.
Basically the scoring of the throw is based on how aggressive and violent it is, how much you slam your opponent to the mat, etc. Because of my previous experience (having been taught how to safely fall when thrown), I actually volunteered to be the dummy when our instructor demonstrated what sort of throws would generate the lesser points, half point, and full point. The full point was quite a throw lol...
That's pretty cool. I was vaguely aware you were supposed to try and throw the other person, but what constituted an actual throw or something else was way outside my expertise. I also had no idea what was happening when they penalized someone. Both medal matches were won because the ref (or whatever she is) penalized someone, but I had no idea for what.
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Also, the Olympics have always political. We boycotted them in 1980 over political stuff. Taiwan and China are always having their political issues aired every time.
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WVB, Turkey smoked gold medal favorite China 3-0 in pool play. US to play China tomorrow.
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My kids care about humans. They care about the world. They care about character.
They love sports. They want sports to be about sports. They want to enjoy it without having to hear all the BS.
one is a Nurse Anesthesiologist and one is a Biomedical engineer.
I have raised them well. I hope they never stop being turned off by a media that turns sports into politics, and drama not related to sports.
Stay humble.
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Yes, we are all accustomed to being absolutely bombarded with left wing political propaganda every time we turn on the TV, PC or Radio. There's no getting away from it.
The degree of saturation is obviously an important factor. If a band I like has one or two songs on their new CD that appear to be authored by Huff Po, then I can just skip those tracks, or maybe even listen to them for the comedic cringe factor. Typically politics are used as a way to dress up the worst song on the album anyway, so it's not that big of a deal.
If instead they release a new album called "Orange Man Bad!" and the lyrics to every song read like a political discussion between a couple of generic White liberal SJW stereotypes like Fro, then that's obviously different. It goes without saying that I won't be buying that album, but I'm probably not going to go to their concert either, since they would just be wagging their finger at me and insulting me the entire time.
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BB youre getting more like me every day
that ought to scare the hell out of you
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Also, the Olympics have always political. We boycotted them in 1980 over political stuff. Taiwan and China are always having their political issues aired every time.
It was not that at all. The following countries also boycotted:
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It was not that at all. The following countries also boycotted:
(https://i.imgur.com/raZ22zb.png)
??? That multiple countries boycotted the Olympics for political reasons (not to mention the numerous countries that boycotted the 1984 Olympics for political reasons) seems like even more evidence that politics have been part of the Olympics for a long time. Really, more then than now.
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Entertaining Women's road race with the 500-1 Austrian amateur holding off the Dutch led Peloton. Appears the Silver medalist thought she had won, apparently nobody had a proper accounting of the number in the breakaway pack. The breakaway pack had at one point a 10 minute lead and all but one were reeled in but the Austrian who ended up winning by a little less than 2 minutes. No radios for the Olympic race is the excuse provided. Good stuff. Lots of finger pointing.
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Softball!
Incredible that Cat Osterman is still playing, 15 years after graduating from Texas.
OU's version of Cat, Keilani Ricketts, has been in a pissing contest with USA softball ever since graduating, and is listed as a "replacement player." That's disappointing to me.
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??? That multiple countries boycotted the Olympics for political reasons (not to mention the numerous countries that boycotted the 1984 Olympics for political reasons) seems like even more evidence that politics have been part of the Olympics for a long time. Really, more then than now.
It was a humanitarian cause.
And then you have this?
(https://i.imgur.com/4KoBLCB.png)
Any wonder as to why the Olympics and award shows are so very much down?
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It was a humanitarian cause.
And then you have this?
[img width=361.81 height=384]https://i.imgur.com/4KoBLCB.png[/img]
Any wonder as to why the Olympics and award shows are so very much down?
BLM is very much a humanitarian cause.
But anyway, ratings for everything are down. News networks, baseball, NCIS, what have you. Considering one with an internet connection can watch or read or listen to an unbelievable number of things, it isn't much surprise.
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BLM is very much a humanitarian cause.
But anyway, ratings for everything are down. News networks, baseball, NCIS, what have you. Considering one with an internet connection can watch or read or listen to an unbelievable number of things, it isn't much surprise.
sure they are
just look at their stance on Cuba
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Take this crap to other threads. Rather read about obscure sports, thrill of victory and agony of defeat.
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Take this crap to other threads. Rather read about obscure sports, thrill of victory and agony of defeat.
Agree. Sorry.
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Agree. Sorry.
Take this crap to other threads. Rather read about obscure sports, thrill of victory and agony of defeat.
hey one mans crap is another mans bread and butter
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Watching weightlifting makes my spine hurt
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Watching weightlifting makes my spine hurt
Having gone through a couple of ACL tears, I'm just waiting for their knees to completely give out.
Men's triathlon final starting right now
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Having gone through a couple of ACL tears, I'm just waiting for their knees to completely give out.
Men's triathlon final starting right now
I know - I've always been told don't let your knees go past 90 degrees on a squat. Then I see these guys hoisting a small truck, their knees looking like folding chairs.
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Watching these guys grab water bottles over and over, they should get extra points if they can drink the whole water, or stick the landing when they drop it.
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The guy who won the triathlon looked about as surprised as one could be to actually win something
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That was an awesome moment. I like how he tied himself up in the ceremonial tape.
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Watching weightlifting makes my spine hurt
Great SNL skit on that years ago.
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I used to be thrilled as a youngster when the Olympics rolled around and washed every second that I could get with my family.
between everything you’ve already mentioned in the fact that most of these athletes are highly compensated, my interest level could not be lower. It’s not even a conscious decision, I’m just not inclined to tune in to any of it because it is completely meaningless to me. It’s more about “platforms“ and messages, and social media drama and very little to do with real sports.
We also turned the Olympics into a family event, with us little kids sharing the carpet or Mom and Dad’s lap to watch the opening and closing Barcelona ceremonies. For Atlanta we were allowed to stay up late watching Women’s gymnastics win gold.
When noticing how the increasingly unwatchable Olympics are less and less about the actual competitions, remember how briefly big of a story it was when Gwen Berry turned her back on the national anthem during Track & Field qualifying trials? It brought her a ton of attention that would otherwise never go to a hammer thrower because nobody cares or watches hammer throwing. For a week the media ran with headlines about a hammer thrower because Colin Kaepernick gave the blueprint for athletes to make headlines by turning their "platform" and "brand" into reactive politics.
Here's another proud Olympic doozy:
https://twitter.com/BatoriWorld/status/1416740293483778048
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Mountain bike race is good TV. So many chances for bad things, bad luck to happen.
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Finally saw the US win a Gold medal live
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The skeet shooter from GA is something else.
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Jordan Thompson was dominant in a sweep of China tonight. Libero play outstanding by Husker JW Orantes. China the gold favorite is 0-2 haven't won a set. Fun match.
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Simone Biles injured on the vault, pulls out of team final. That sucks.
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I won't be telling my kids this.
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Simone Biles injured on the vault, pulls out of team final. That sucks.
Her coach said it's not a physical injury. This is one of the oddest Olympics stories I can recall.
Team still got silver, but the remaining members of the team simply weren't as good/deep as the past couple. They weren't just counting on Biles being the best in the world, they were counting on her being CLEARLY the best in the world.
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The softball team should have saved that walkoff bomb from Monday for today.
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The softball team should have saved that walkoff bomb from Monday for today.
That guy from Japan was a hell of a pitcher.
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The only USA team sports that are looking as expected are the water polo teams
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Can the Olympics get anything right?
From Yahoo: Japan's Olympic Organizers Lied about its Weather, and now Athletes are Paying the Price
"“With many days of mild and sunny weather, this period provides an ideal climate for athletes to perform their best.” This quote comes from Japan’s official proposal to host the 2020 Summer Olympics. Mild? Ideal? Here in Tokyo in July?
The finish line of the men’s triathlon Monday morning looked something like a battlefield scene, bodies sprawled out on ground, trainers coming to the aid of overheated athletes, even a few being helped off with their arms draped over shoulders.
These are, literally, the finest athletes in the world. When they say it’s difficult, it’s difficult. So why did the Japanese claim otherwise? And why did the International Olympic Committee, in granting the bid without comment about the conditions to come, just let them say it?
Japan knew it was lying. They live here. Not a single resident of Tokyo would describe mid-summer here as “mild” or “ideal.” In 2014, soon after the city was awarded the bid, a column in Japan Times wondered how in the world this was going to even work.
So Japan put out a bid with a farcical vision of idyllic summer days, like a soft breeze through Northern Wisconsin. And the IOC just pretended not to notice and nodded right along with it."
https://twitter.com/YahooSG/status/1419545520494706690
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who's rooting for China?????
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That weather lie story happened in Atlanta too. They kept talking about the median temperature for summer and never the average summer Hi. Why are people shocked by gambling. Tokyo's precise daily weather averages are one click away. This isn't elusive information. I have no sympathy .
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I feel bad for Biles because I can’t help but think in the coming days and weeks ahead if she really looks back with regret on this. She did one vault and packed it in. Juxtapose that image with Kerri Strug thundering down the runway and sticking a landing on an ankle that would need surgery afterwards.
Years ago Sports Illustrated did a fantastic article on a high school that was devastated by the sudden unexpected death of a great athlete there. His best friend played on the basketball team and the first game after his death was playing terribly. He was an emotional wreck and took himself out of the game, went to the end of the bench, and started crying. Later in the game the coach looked down the bench and asked if he was ready to come back in. I’m paraphrasing here but the article he basically wiped his tears and found the resolve to do something he didn’t know if he could.
He stood up.
I remember reading that three word sentence and choking back my own tears. He returned to the game, played great, led his team back, and honored the memory of his friend.
Idk what Simone Biles is going through and I hope it’s nothing serious. I just can’t help but wonder if sometime in the future she wonders what might have happened if she had simply stood up.
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I dunno. Biles is the best of all time by a healthy margin and has lots of championships and medals. She had a bad performance and felt like she would continue to have them. I'm not sure you can just tough something like that out. It's not like you get extra chances - another bad performance could have taken them out of a medal.
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I dunno. Biles is the best of all time by a healthy margin and has lots of championships and medals. She had a bad performance and felt like she would continue to have them. I'm not sure you can just tough something like that out. It's not like you get extra chances - another bad performance could have taken them out of a medal.
Yeah. Maybe. Look, I’m not going to pretend that I’ve ever experienced a fraction of the pressure she was feeling. That being said, it’s also understood that is what you are signing up for. Competing against the best in the world in front of the world is the Olympics.
The quote being shown on ESPN’s bottom line is “I had to do what was right for me.” That’s not going to play well when you are competing in a team event. Her teammates, while not as talented or well known, poured out their blood, sweat, and tears their entire lives for a shot at gold too. It can be argued that her bowing out gave them the opportunity to win silver but it can be just as easily spun it cost them gold.
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To put it a different way - her vault cost the team the gold medal. The only question was whether she would carry on to try and get the team a silver, or defer to her teammates. Hard to say she made the wrong choice for the team, though obviously she personally is getting a lot of shots.
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Have any of these gymnasts ever played as a team before though? We take an inherently individual sport, and shoehorn it into a team environment for NCAA competitions and the Olympics. And even then, it's just a matter of adding up your scores, it's not like you depend on your teammates. Then we demand they know how to act like one.
I agree, her phrasing wasn't ideal. But beyond that, I can't criticize her. But, mental health is as important as physical health for athletes, and I give her credit for standing up for that, but in that same line of thinking, I have a hard time separating her from the Bo Jacksons of the world whose bodies failed them, if her mind failed her at the worst possible moment.
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This also has to be the least interesting group of swimmers the US has put out there in a couple generations
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I feel the same about men's volleyball as I do men's tennis. It's too much reliant on shear power, and the lack of rallies I find disinteresting.
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Mixed doubles is pretty fun
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Imagine Tom Brady in the huddle, down 21-3 saying "Well I have my rings guys, good luck" then walking off.
He would go from GOAT to quitter.
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Yeah. Maybe. Look, I’m not going to pretend that I’ve ever experienced a fraction of the pressure she was feeling. That being said, it’s also understood that is what you are signing up for. Competing against the best in the world in front of the world is the Olympics.
The quote being shown on ESPN’s bottom line is “I had to do what was right for me.” That’s not going to play well when you are competing in a team event. Her teammates, while not as talented or well known, poured out their blood, sweat, and tears their entire lives for a shot at gold too. It can be argued that her bowing out gave them the opportunity to win silver but it can be just as easily spun it cost them gold.
None of the current athletes faced even the tiniest fraction of pressure that Jesse Owens faced at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Many of our teams are made up of whining cowards. Jesse looks down on them from the heavens with his head lowered in shame.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/us/simone-biles-olympics-gymnastics-physical-mental-health/index.html
In baseball, yips mean you throw the ball into the dugout. In gymnastics, the yips means a broken neck.
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do people actually really watch this shit?
Biggest waste of money, space, and time in the history of the universe is the god damn olympics.
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None of the current athletes faced even the tiniest fraction of pressure that Jesse Owens faced at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Many of our teams are made up of whining cowards. Jesse looks down on them from the heavens with his head lowered in shame.
Biles was abandoned by her mother and was sexually abused by the team doctor. Pretty sure she has faced a lot of pressure and adversity.
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do people actually really watch this shit?
Biggest waste of money, space, and time in the history of the universe is the god damn olympics.
Why do you hate happiness
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She rang the bell.
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None of the current athletes faced even the tiniest fraction of pressure that Jesse Owens faced at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Many of our teams are made up of whining cowards. Jesse looks down on them from the heavens with his head lowered in shame.
This seems an odd form of projection.
Edit: I'll clarify. Declaring that a dead guy must be feeling shame seems a lot. Especially when that dead guy's 66 years on the earth have in essence been boiled down to a symbol of sorts. I'm not sure how he would feel. But to run one's own strong sense of, maybe not anger, but something like it, through what we imagine a caricature of Owens might have thought just seemed a lot.
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This seems an odd form of projection.
This seems a smug form of condescension.
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Now she has withdrawn from the Individual Events, most likely due to the optics of participating in those after quitting on her team.
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This seems a smug form of condescension.
I’m sorry you took it that way.
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Now she has withdrawn from the Individual Events, most likely due to the optics of participating in those after quitting on her team.
That's a weird presumptive take
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/us/simone-biles-olympics-gymnastics-physical-mental-health/index.html
In baseball, yips mean you throw the ball into the dugout. In gymnastics, the yips means a broken neck.
I think that is a fair point and I’m trying to keep an open mind about that. Having a bad day in gymnastics could mean getting hurt and not just missing some shots or dropping passes. I read where Biles’ backing out caused her teammates to have to fill in on events they didn’t think they would be competing in. One girl in particular had to fill in on the beam and floor exercise, two events she didn’t think she would be competing in, and I would presume two events she wasn’t particularly strong in.
She said in her interview when her coach told her she would have to fill in on those two events she almost had a panic attack. But she did what I think we expect from Olympic level athletes, she overcame her fear, anxiety, and stress and went out and performed.
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If a pitcher "has the yips" he could take someone's head off with an errant pitch.
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My problem with some of the sports (basketball and baseball) is that it's not actually the best, or even the best within a specific requirement. And then for golf, it's literally just a tournament we see every week. It's not even on par with a WGC event.
Team USA for basketball and baseball are not our best players, it's just some guys who are pretty good (at least basketball is all NBA guys) who play for USA.
I would get rid of the pro/amateur thing for basketball, if the best aren't going to go, and just make it the best who are 23 and younger. So you could go once as a pro, and then not worry about it. Then at least you'd get the best within a category.
- PG Trae Young, Hawks
- PG Lonzo Ball, Pelicans
- PG De'Aaron Fox, Kings
- G Kevin Huerter, Hawks
- G/F R.J. Barrett, Knicks
- SF Jayson Tatum, Celtics
- F Michael Porter Jr., Nuggets
- PF Zion Williamson, Pelicans
- PF John Collins, Hawks
- PF Isaiah Stewart, Pistons
- C Bam Adebayo, Heat
- C Jarrett Allen, Cavaliers
Baseball, it would be nice if teams let their guys go, because after soccer, it might be the sport with the best international participation:
- C J.T. Realmuto, Phillies
- C Sean Murphy, Athletics
- 1B Freddie Freeman, Braves
- 2B DJ LeMahieu, Yankees
- SS Corey Seager, Dodgers
- 3B Alex Bregman, Astros
- 3B Anthony Rendon, Angels
- OF Mike Trout, Angels
- OF Mookie Betts, Dodgers
- OF Cody Bellinger, Dodgers
- OF Aaron Judge, Yankees
- OF George Springer, Blue Jays
- SP Jacob deGrom, Mets
- SP Shane Bieber, Indians
- SP Gerrit Cole, Yankees
- SP Chris Sale, Red Sox
- SP Max Scherzer, Nationals
- RP Garrett Crochet, White Sox
- RP Josh Hader, Brewers
- RP Tommy Kahnle, Dodgers
- RP Trevor May, Mets
- RP Chad Green, Yankees
- RP Tyler Matzek, Braves
- CP Ryan Pressly, Astros
And what's the point of the current golf format? Pair up golfers, and have a 16 team, alternating shot tournament?
- USA: Dustin Johnson & Collin Morikawa
- GREAT BRITAIN: Rory McIlroy & Tyrrell Hatton
- SOUTH AFRICA: Louis Oosthuizen & Garrick Higgo
- SPAIN: John Rahm & Sergio Garcia
- AUSTRALIA: Cameron Smith & Marc Leishman
- SOUTH KOREA: Sungjae Im & Siwoo Kim
- MEXICO: Abraham Ancer & Carlos Ortiz
- CANADA: Corey Conners & Mackenzie Hughes
- JAPAN: Hideki Matsuyama & Rikuya Hoshino
- FRANCE: Victor Perez & Antoine Rozner
- CHILE: Joaquin Niemann & Guillermo Mito Pereira
- IRELAND: Shane Lowry & Seamus Power
- BELGIUM: Thomas Detry & Thomas Pieters
- AUSTRIA: Bernd Wiesberger & Matthias Schwab
- GERMANY: Martin Kaymer & Stephan Jaeger
- FINLAND: Kalle Samooja & Sami Valimaki
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If a pitcher "has the yips" he could take someone's head off with an errant pitch.
Eh. The batter, catcher, and ump all have helmets/facemasks.
If a pitcher throws THAT far offline that he can hit someone else, I'm guessing he's got his throwing motion all f'd up and won't have the velocity to cause much damage.
You're not mis-throwing a ball 45 degrees offline at 102 mph.
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Eh. The batter, catcher, and ump all have helmets/facemasks.
If a pitcher throws THAT far offline that he can hit someone else, I'm guessing he's got his throwing motion all f'd up and won't have the velocity to cause much damage.
You're not mis-throwing a ball 45 degrees offline at 102 mph.
Counterpoint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euHfP6X_axY
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That swimming announcer needs to lay off the coke.... He's way too excited about everything...
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The quote being shown on ESPN’s bottom line is “I had to do what was right for me.” That’s not going to play well when you are competing in a team event. Her teammates, while not as talented or well known, poured out their blood, sweat, and tears their entire lives for a shot at gold too. It can be argued that her bowing out gave them the opportunity to win silver but it can be just as easily spun it cost them gold.
A lot of reactive takes resulted from Biles bowing out a few days ago.
One camp praised Biles' "courage" for acting in the interest of mental health and furthermore sharing her struggles with the public.
The other camp bemoaned Biles' for using mental health as a "free pass" to let down her team – "where are we as a country when we’re now glorifying quitting!"
In my opinion it's time to inhale the reality of how times change.
In 1996 Kerri Strug was praised as a hero for the "courage" it took to land a several vaults, at the relenting of her perfectionist coaches, with a crushed ankle. Courage was sacrificing yourself for the success of your team.
Fast forward twenty five years and Simone Biles is praised as a hero for the "courage" it took to put her mental health first. Biles' unfortunate adolescence aside, costing her team the gold is quite the opposite of the win-at-all cost determination that landed Kerri Strug on a Wheaties box a quarter-century ago.
Times change.
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Good match bt US and Turkey. Replay on at 5ct on nbcsn.
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Really starting to get tired of them having the Olympics on other continents where the time zones are different. It makes it so hard to watch events in real time, live.
Can't they just host them all in North America, or better yet, just in real America?
Or if they won't do that, just have them do all the events in the middle of the night to make it easier for Americans to watch live?
I swear, it's like these countries think they're as important as us or something.
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Really starting to get tired of them having the Olympics on other continents where the time zones are different. It makes it so hard to watch events in real time, live.
Can't they just host them all in North America, or better yet, just in real America?
Or if they won't do that, just have them do all the events in the middle of the night to make it easier for Americans to watch live?
I swear, it's like these countries think they're as important as us or something.
I know this is tongue in cheek, but it does suck. Granted NBC could acknowledge how things are, and air everything live, with second runs on delay.
But hosting time zone s aside, if the IOC wants to remain relevant, they need to award bids based on existing infrastructure. Nobody is spending money to host anymore, and rightly so.
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Also, women's rugby is awesome
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I know this is tongue in cheek, but it does suck. Granted NBC could acknowledge how things are, and air everything live, with second runs on delay
This year was the first time since NBC has owned the rights that A) the Games were not in the Eastern Time Zone, and B) they showed the opening ceremony live nationwide on the mothership. Every other time it's been held up. Small steps, but it's progress.
I watched the important stuff during the 2008 Olympics live on CBC in Seattle.
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This year was the first time since NBC has owned the rights that A) the Games were not in the Eastern Time Zone, and B) they showed the opening ceremony live nationwide on the mothership. Every other time it's been held up. Small steps, but it's progress.
I watched the important stuff during the 2008 Olympics live on CBC in Seattle.
NBC has owned the rights for 20 years. It's always been the same crap. At least Rio was only am hour off. Beijing and London involved not checking your phone
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you guys are seriously bitching cause everyone isnt on USA time
find something worth complaining about and leave this one alone
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This is frankly better than euro or western Asia (sochi). I know I'm a night owl, but decent amount of events live. The 5-6 hr crap stinks. I suppose weekends aren't bad for 5-6 hr gap. Sydney was ok too. NBC will always package swimming and gymnastics in PT.
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This is frankly better than euro or western Asia (sochi). I know I'm a night owl, but decent amount of events live. The 5-6 hr crap stinks. I suppose weekends aren't bad for 5-6 hr gap. Sydney was ok too. NBC will always package swimming and gymnastics in PT.
Sydney sucked because it happened in September after football already started, and the MLB playoff chase was in full swing. It's a great event when it's timed correctly
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you guys are seriously bitching cause everyone isnt on USA time
find something worth complaining about and leave this one alone
I'm bitching that NBC is forcing everyone to be on USA time like it's 1976 and we don't already know what happened.
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you guys are seriously bitching cause everyone isnt on USA time
find something worth complaining about and leave this one alone
I was joking...
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In 1996 Kerri Strug was praised as a hero for the "courage" it took to land a several vaults, at the relenting of her perfectionist coaches, with a crushed ankle. Courage was sacrificing yourself for the success of your team.
Fast forward twenty five years and Simone Biles is praised as a hero for the "courage" it took to put her mental health first. Biles' unfortunate adolescence aside, costing her team the gold is quite the opposite of the win-at-all cost determination that landed Kerri Strug on a Wheaties box a quarter-century ago.
So, I thought this was interesting because I don't totally think it's correct, but it does remind us that "courage" is a very dependent thing.
Like, if Biles gutted through an ankle injury, she get's praised for "courage" today. One difference in the world is how she'd get praised. Stories like that, ones free of vitriol, tend to resonate less, probably in itself a sign of the times. We also don't believe in the Wheaties box as an institution. (Interestingly, at the time, it was said the coach told her not to do it, but later, some report had him saying, we need you to do it, which is what it is).
Anyway, I think one could argue both ways. There is some degree of courage to do something that goes against the grain. Doing the thing you're supposed to do when you're supposed to do it often doesn't take much. Doing something you're not supposed to sometimes does. Lord knows, stepping aside means thousands of folks will speak badly about you, and if you just gutted through people would say far less. Accepting the former requires some sort of courage. It's an interesting dynamic.
The counter factual would be gutting through, maybe doing worse, and catching a different round of criticism, and perhaps that is the sign of the times. In 1996, we still built stories into enduring uplifting myths. Today, things need more bite to stick.
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I'm bitching that NBC is forcing everyone to be on USA time like it's 1976 and we don't already know what happened.
you can watch the olympics is real time very easily on several different channels so whats the problem
Is NBC forcing you to only watch NBC
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I was joking...
yep then the dialog started bashing NBC and it was rather silly
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Good soccer game. Also Netherlands has a player named VanderDonk and I can't help but repeat her name every time they mention it
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USA v ROC turned out like a Nebraska v Rutgers match and the US was the Scarlet Knights. Yuck. Hopefully this is a fluke.
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Gonchorova is not hard to watch.
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Kayakers skip leg day...
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Us womens vball backdoor Pool winner. 5 set win over Italy, sloppy match. meanwhile Turkey takes down Russia in 5. QF start tomorrow.
US now down two starters as setter Jordyn Poulter turned her ankle just like Jordyn Thompson did earlier. JT is expected to return, we'll see. Micah Hancock now setting. Once she settled in she played well. Great job setting middles.
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The extremely dangerous, neck exploding "yips" have been miraculously cured, just in time for a little balance beam action.
https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/02/simone-biles-olympic-return-balance-beam-final-tokyo-gymnastics
Glory, glory hallelujah.
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The extremely dangerous, neck exploding "yips" have been miraculously cured, just in time for a little balance beam action.
https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/02/simone-biles-olympic-return-balance-beam-final-tokyo-gymnastics
Glory, glory hallelujah.
That's great. I know it's not in fashion to root for American greatness anymore, but it is nice to see the best come from America
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Really good TV in that 400m hurdles. Top 2 crush the WR, the Norwegian goes sub 46 seconds. Like I need another reminder of how slow we all are.
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I just don't get wrestling. I can buy into any weird ass sport during the Olympics for a couple days, but I just find wrestling brutal to watch
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The extremely dangerous, neck exploding "yips" have been miraculously cured, just in time for a little balance beam action.
https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/02/simone-biles-olympic-return-balance-beam-final-tokyo-gymnastics
Glory, glory hallelujah.
Well, she only cost herself two gold medals with a fake injury, apparently? So way to game the system?
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Really good TV in that 400m hurdles. Top 2 crush the WR, the Norwegian goes sub 46 seconds. Like I need another reminder of how slow we all are.
That Norwegian dude is intense.
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That's great. I know it's not in fashion to root for American greatness anymore, but it is nice to see the best come from America
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That Norwegian dude is intense.
Most exciting track moment since Michael Johnson? Bolt was fun, but he wasn't overly competitive.
Seems like swimming has certainly replaced track in the American consciousness.
Watching diving, that feels like another sport that has completely fallen off domestically. We've already discussed tennis.
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Most exciting track moment since Michael Johnson? Bolt was fun, but he wasn't overly competitive.
Seems like swimming has certainly replaced track in the American consciousness.
Watching diving, that feels like another sport that has completely fallen off domestically. We've already discussed tennis.
I think watching Bolt set a record while celebrating in the 100 was the most jaw dropping moment I've ever seen in the Olympics.
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I think the CC skiing events in the Winter provide some of the best Olympic drama.
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Polk High, class of 1966. And while I find you fat and repulsive, I would like to tell you my glory days how I scored four touchdowns in one football game and won the very last city championship trophy that Polk High had.
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I have enjoyed the olympics much more than I thought I would. (Utee-you listening)
I have been very moved by some of the individual performances, the sheer athleticism of some of these athletes- and the class and pride with which some of these athletes have carried themselves through winning and disappointment.
Did you see the American wrestler today who won gold? She was amazing. The two high jumpers who agreed to share the gold? That was so cool. The runner who got tangled up with another runner and fell, and they help each other up and walked to the finish line together?
I look up to Simone Biles even more now, which is saying a lot, for how she handled herself and for cheering for her team.
I have enjoyed track and field, swimming, soccer, volleyball ( indoor and beach), water polo ( Holy shit are those people in great physical condition) gymnastics, basketball and even badminton.
I wish there was more showing of boxing.
I will also say- the American athletes have pretty much made me proud in how they have carried themselves on the field and in interviews.
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Im very surprised more boxing isnt shown
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barbarian sport :)
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barbarian sport :)
Well Greece was built on Sparta and sodomy...
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Well Greece was built on Sparta and sodomy...
Progressive sport?
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What irks me is all these foreign athletes going to our universities trained by our coaches using our facilities and then representing their home country in the olympics
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US womens vball take care of DR in the quarterfinals, really best total performance of the Olympics so far. 25-11, 20, 19. Nbc showed it live tonight. Up next in the Semis, winner of Serbia v Italy. I would have bet on Serbia to win gold before the games. Hancock set pretty well. Annie Drews, Purdue alum and IN native was the star tonight. JWO continues to play exceptionally well at libero.
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What irks me is all these foreign athletes going to our universities trained by our coaches using our facilities and then representing their home country in the olympics
our universities and coaches are to blame, not the athletes looking for an opportunity
send a letter to the UT AD
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uK5AIJQ2tlA
😂🤣🤣😂
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our universities and coaches are to blame, not the athletes looking for an opportunity
send a letter to the UT AD
never said who was to blame
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What irks me is all these foreign athletes going to our universities trained by our coaches using our facilities and then representing their home country in the olympics
Can't compete for the USA unless you hold American citizenship...
...are you proposing we fast-track degree holders from US universities towards becoming citizens so they can compete for the USA?
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Can't compete for the USA unless you hold American citizenship...
...are you proposing we fast-track degree holders from US universities towards becoming citizens so they can compete for the USA?
If they are going to take our goods we should be able to benefit from their citizenship
However that would not solve the problem if they hold duel citizenship
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as long as they come into the country legally, I'm fine
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I have enjoyed the olympics much more than I thought I would. (Utee-you listening)
I have been very moved by some of the individual performances, the sheer athleticism of some of these athletes- and the class and pride with which some of these athletes have carried themselves through winning and disappointment.
Did you see the American wrestler today who won gold? She was amazing. The two high jumpers who agreed to share the gold? That was so cool. The runner who got tangled up with another runner and fell, and they help each other up and walked to the finish line together?
I look up to Simone Biles even more now, which is saying a lot, for how she handled herself and for cheering for her team.
I have enjoyed track and field, swimming, soccer, volleyball ( indoor and beach), water polo ( Holy shit are those people in great physical condition) gymnastics, basketball and even badminton.
I wish there was more showing of boxing.
I will also say- the American athletes have pretty much made me proud in how they have carried themselves on the field and in interviews.
Yeah, this is the stuff I like about the Olympics, too.
And look, I get it-- I can tell you honestly, that I really dislike the kneeling too. And the other political jibber jabber that constantly comes up around sports, and not just the Olympic ones. I just make a conscious choice to ignore it, and focus instead on the kinds of stories you just highlighted right here.
There have been so many great moments through these Olympics, and then I think about how much harder THIS one must be for the athletes, after having to postpone and train for an entire year through COVID, and not having their families and loved ones there at the games. This is likely the toughest political/social/medical environment that any Olympic athletes have faced in my lifetime, excluding perhaps the boycott years in 1980/1984. Those were tough on athletes in a different way.
Anyway, I've found that I'm enjoying the Olympics every bit as much as I always have, and my kids are finally old enough to really get into it, as well. It's really rewarding, seeing them beaming with pride over an American victory, or just an incredible show of sportsmanship like the sharing of the gold medal.
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as long as they come into the country legally, I'm fine
not saying there is anything ethically wrong
but its kinda like planting a tree in your back yard and 20 years later it falls on your house
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If they are going to take our goods we should be able to benefit from their citizenship
However that would not solve the problem if they hold duel citizenship
This seems like it would be untenable, but it also kind of understate to a nature of playing at a school.
it’s all kind of fungible to a degree. Though I do sometimes get a kick out of situations where there is an American athlete who has played for a while overseas and you end up seeing some guy from Pittsburgh on the Israeli national team.
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The question is what to do with Rory Sabbatini...
South African, holds a UK passport as well as US citizenship, and became a Slovakian citizen 3 years ago as his wife is Slovak and he's trying to help grow the game there...
Won the silver medal for Slovakia in Tokyo, whereas he wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics if he were trying for the South African, British, or American teams...
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as long as China doesn't win anything, it's fine
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China's doing some "real life" winning.
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US womens vball take care of DR in the quarterfinals, really best total performance of the Olympics so far. 25-11, 20, 19. Nbc showed it live tonight. Up next in the Semis, winner of Serbia v Italy. I would have bet on Serbia to win gold before the games. Hancock set pretty well. Annie Drews, Purdue alum and IN native was the star tonight. JWO continues to play exceptionally well at libero.
They are showing it again, now.
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I look up to Simone Biles even more now, which is saying a lot, for how she handled herself and for cheering for her team.
I am conflicted on this one. When the news first came out that she was sitting out some parts of the competition, it was reportedly due to mental health issues. After a couple of days it then became anxiety about carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders. Now I'm hearing that it was some sort of condition where she was not able to know where she was while in the air doing some of her routines.
So which it is? Did they get the story wrong at first or did the story change when the backlash started? If the first reports were simply wrong and she did have a condition that would have physically prevented her from competing, then just come out and say it and I would completely understand.
However, the problem I have is that too many people want to celebrate her quitting on her team because of mental issues?
Really? All of these years and in her 2nd Olympics, now she is having issues?
What about the girl that was cut so that Biles makes the team? How do you think she feels? In all probability she is probably at home thinking "at least I could have given it a try".
At this point in her career Biles is likely a professional, being paid to do what she does through endorsements or other means. Being a professional means that you put aside your mental issues and perform as you have been trained to do. I'm sorry, but I don't really want to celebrate someone that bumped someone else from the team only to go to the competition and quit.
Again, if it was a physical issue then I completely understand. But I have a hard time buying that story.
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I can't believe I've never thought of this before, but do men and women play on the same height net for volleyball?
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The baton, again. Jeezus.
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I can't believe I've never thought of this before, but do men and women play on the same height net for volleyball?
No. Men play at a shade under 8 feet, 2.43 m. Women are at 7-4 and change, I think 2.24m.
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No. Men play at a shade under 8 feet, 2.43 m. Women are at 7-4 and change, I think 2.24m.
ok smart person what about men and women basketball
is the net the same height for both?
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The women's hoop has to be at least 20 feet tall, or at least it seems that way when you watch them play.
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Brazil handled Russia in 4sets in women's vball qf.
US v Serbia at midnight est tomorrow night.
Brazil v South Korea, wtf?, in the other SF.
They held of Turkey in 5 sets. US with two past nemesis if they are to win first Olympic gold.
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I've learned to bite my tongue re: womens hoops. I think it's really the turnovers
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I am conflicted on this one. When the news first came out that she was sitting out some parts of the competition, it was reportedly due to mental health issues. After a couple of days it then became anxiety about carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders. Now I'm hearing that it was some sort of condition where she was not able to know where she was while in the air doing some of her routines.
Ehhh, these aren't necessarily unrelated, bud. This isn't a "which is it?" situation.
Really? All of these years and in her 2nd Olympics, now she is having issues?
As if we choose when we have issues crop up. lol
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I don't get the bashing of Simone Biles.
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me either
or most other athletes representing the USA - even if they kneel
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I don't get the bashing of Simone Biles.
Well she's a quitter. Tom Brady doesn't walk off the field after throwing a pick six in the first quarter of the Super Bowl. Only this is worse, because she's been touting herself as the GOAT for the last four years, only to "ring the bell" on day one, after stealing a roster spot from another girl that would have given the USA better chance at winning.
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Well she's a quitter. Tom Brady doesn't walk off the field after throwing a pick six in the first quarter of the Super Bowl. Only this is worse, because she's been touting herself as the GOAT for the last four years, only to "ring the bell" on day one, after stealing a roster spot from another girl that would have given the USA better chance at winning.
That is putting the absolute worst possible spin on everything she has done.
Why no benefit of the doubt?
When Tom Brady throws a pick-six, he's not risking his life (any more than usual) when he goes back out on the field. Same logic with LeBron James throwing up 10 bricks in a row. (In both cases, though, there should be an analysis of whether he's doing his team more harm than good at that point.)
Oh the other hand, having the "twisties" can be a matter of life and death.
She's wrong when she pulls herself out, she's wrong when she puts herself back in.
Relentless bashing, day after day. I don't get it.
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That is putting the absolute worst possible spin on everything she has done.
Why no benefit of the doubt?
When Tom Brady throws a pick-six, he's not risking his life (any more than usual) when he goes back out on the field. Same logic with LeBron James throwing up 10 bricks in a row. (In both cases, though, there should be an analysis of whether he's doing his team more harm than good at that point.)
Oh the other hand, having the "twisties" can be a matter of life and death.
She's wrong when she pulls herself out, she's wrong when she puts herself back in.
Relentless bashing, day after day. I don't get it.
If she really had the "twisties" (lol) then why did she do a run on the balance beam, which would be dangerous as hell if you are off just a tad?
LeBron is a quitter too. He walks off of the court with time on the clock, and he just completely gives up if the uphill sledding is too tough like he did against Boston during his first stint with Cleveland. That's why Jordan will always be the GOAT, even though LeBron might be more "talented."
Biles represents everything wrong with sports. Selfish, me first, crowning herself the GOAT then choking, quitting on her team, fiercely protected by the woke mediots and their proud puppets who place her up on a pedestal and spin everything in her favor.
Any College or HS gymnast could have been plugged into her spot this year, and it would have made team USA better. At least they would have tried, instead of "ringing the bell" right out of the gate.
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well, CWS asked........... ;)
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If she really had the "twisties" (lol) then why did she do a run on the balance beam, which would be dangerous as hell if you are off just a tad?
She changed her routine to avoid twists
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Uh huh.
Had she had these "twisties" going in, then she could have simply eliminated the twists from her routine, from the get go.
Unless of course she didn't get these "Twisties" until she was up there doing her first routine, which sounds quite a bit like choking in the moment to me.
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me either
or most other athletes representing the USA - even if they kneel
if they kneel they lose me
and the Olympic committee apparently
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the Olympics isn't about politics, but........
athletes from the USA can have a voice and not suffer the consequences athletes from other countries endure
it's that difference to be free that I enjoy
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The most likely explanation is that she spent the last four years reading her own press clippings. She wasn't as hungry because she had already "made it" and she didn't prepare as hard because she thought that she could just waltz up there and kick everyone's butt. Supporting this theory is her diva like behavior, sewing GOATs onto her leo, and being the only athlete that was exempt from having to stay at Olympic Village. Then she gets up there and says "oh f*** I'm not ready for this" and instead of carrying on and giving it her best and not being as good as the others, she said "well I have my medals, good luck ladies" and walked off like a spoilt brat.
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the Olympics isn't about politics, but........
athletes from the USA can have a voice and not suffer the consequences athletes from other countries endure
it's that difference to be free that I enjoy
they can have all the voice they want unless our national anthem is playing and they are on the metal podium
then they are expected to treat our flag with respect or just stay home and we'll get someone else who will
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well, that's just like your opinion, Man
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well, that's just like your opinion, Man
yep man or "come on man"
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The most likely explanation is that she spent the last four years reading her own press clippings. She wasn't as hungry because she had already "made it" and she didn't prepare as hard because she thought that she could just waltz up there and kick everyone's butt. Supporting this theory is her diva like behavior, sewing GOATs onto her leo, and being the only athlete that was exempt from having to stay at Olympic Village. Then she gets up there and says "oh f*** I'm not ready for this" and instead of carrying on and giving it her best and not being as good as the others, she said "well I have my medals, good luck ladies" and walked off like a spoilt brat.
It isn't the most likely explanation, because she qualified in all four events and had the top overall score in qualifiers, which were two days before the team final.
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I have no opinion one way or the other as I dont really know what she felt
I am on the side of giving her the benefit of the doubt however
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I tend to give her all benefit of the doubt. She is clearly the greatest that there’s ever been in terms of what she has proven and what she is capable of doing.
Have you ever had the yips or the shanks and Golf suddenly even though up to that point things were going very well? Or been able to hit nine out of 10 free throws for five years running and then suddenly for whatever reason I’m not able to hit one out of 10? And both of those situations fairly quickly resolve themselves.
If you watched her when she had the struggles you could clearly see that she had lost her equilibrium and was unsure of what she was doing and sometimes that stuff just happens to great athletes. Sometimes there’s no explanation and it just happens and then it goes away.
I still give her credit for having the courage to step out, be transparent with her team and then cheer them on as well as to come back and compete.
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It isn't the most likely explanation, because she qualified in all four events and had the top overall score in qualifiers, which were two days before the team final.
Well then that confirms that she didn't suffer from these "twisties" until the spotlight was on, and it was time to go.
Textbook choke job, right there.
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Well then that confirms that she didn't suffer from these "twisties" until the spotlight was on, and it was time to go.
Textbook choke job, right there.
I don't know what she was supposed to do. Gymnastics isn't a sport that you can just sort of power through. A bad performance kills the team and you don't get mulligans. If you think you aren't going to do well, isn't it unselfish and right to let someone else do it?
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Not if you desperately want to be considered the "GOAT"
A properly prepared person would have a "back up" routine in their back pocket, just in case they got these "twisties" while they were up there.
The gals that wound up having to fill in for her had to come up with said routines on the fly, as they didn't even expect to be competing in those events.
They can do that, but she can't tweak her routine just a hair to remove some twists?
Okay. Dance puppets, dance.
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I tend to give her all benefit of the doubt. She is clearly the greatest that there’s ever been in terms of what she has proven and what she is capable of doing.
Have you ever had the yips or the shanks and Golf suddenly even though up to that point things were going very well? Or been able to hit nine out of 10 free throws for five years running and then suddenly for whatever reason I’m not able to hit one out of 10? And both of those situations fairly quickly resolve themselves.
If you watched her when she had the struggles you could clearly see that she had lost her equilibrium and was unsure of what she was doing and sometimes that stuff just happens to great athletes. Sometimes there’s no explanation and it just happens and then it goes away.
I still give her credit for having the courage to step out, be transparent with her team and then cheer them on as well as to come back and compete.
Where she failed was in properly messaging what was happening. Which is why to some it seems like she's changed her story.
Maybe it's a cultural thing, where a gymnast doesn't want to even use the term "twisties" even though their fellow gymnasts know what it is, just like a golfer doesn't want to ever use the s-word....
But if she had come out and said what was going on, and that for her it was a combination of not feeling safe doing her routine in her state and her concern that she couldn't compete strongly enough to help her team (she did say some of the latter) it might have gone better.
But instead we got dribbles of information here and there, and suddenly anyone who didn't want to give her the benefit of the doubt had something to latch onto.
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When you tout yourself as the GOAT for four years, you better deliver or there is going to be some blowback. The blowback will intensity exponentially if you faceplant so bad that you not just choke, but also quit.
When Henne and Hart said that they were coming back for one more year so that they could beat Ohio State and win a NC, then they lost to Appalachian State right out of the gate, they both caught all kinds of Hell for it. They could have quit in order to prepare for the draft, but they were good teammates so they took their lumps and kept at it. The season didn't go the way they wanted, but they salvaged what they could, enough to leave with their heads held high, top 25 with a W over Urban Tebow.
Biles is more like the 2020 Wolverines who were so woefully unprepared for the season that the only way that Harbaugh could salvage enough dignity to keep his job for one more year was to wave the white flag and cancel the season.
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Biles is more like the 2020 Wolverines who were so woefully unprepared for the season that the only way that Harbaugh could salvage enough dignity to keep his job for one more year was to wave the white flag and cancel the season.
It would be like that except that in this scenario Harbaugh would have six national championships. Something I'm sure Wolverine fans would take.
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If he had six NCs then he would have been able to withstand Day hanging a hundred on him, as he'd get a covid pass from the school and fanbase. So if he quit under those circumstances, it would have been way more pathetic than what actually transpired.
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Well she's a quitter. Tom Brady doesn't walk off the field after throwing a pick six in the first quarter of the Super Bowl. Only this is worse, because she's been touting herself as the GOAT for the last four years, only to "ring the bell" on day one, after stealing a roster spot from another girl that would have given the USA better chance at winning.
This is just odd. Did your dog die?
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The most likely explanation is
Everything you typed after this is absurd, questionable, frothing-at-the-mouth bizarreness that makes me concerned for your emotional well-being.
Wow.
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I actually watched that men's marathon swimming deal yesterday. Unreal that someone can swim 10K without stopping. That German guy is a machine!!
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I actually watched that men's marathon swimming deal yesterday. Unreal that someone can swim 10K without stopping. That German guy is a machine!!
I know - I watched the women the day before. My favorite part was that the announcers had no idea what was going on and was more or less just guessing the whole time. Also the feeding stations
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I know - I watched the women the day before. My favorite part was that the announcers had no idea what was going on and was more or less just guessing the whole time. Also the feeding stations
The feeding and drinking stations were awesome.
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Thank God for our women cause our Men aint doing squat
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I actually watched that men's marathon swimming deal yesterday. Unreal that someone can swim 10K without stopping. That German guy is a machine!!
I can think of little more unpleasant, and I moderately enjoy running
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One of Brazil's top wvb players, Tandara,is out for a positive doping test from early July. She's out for semifinal vs South Korea.
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On the 14 yr old diver from China who had a handful of "perfect" dives......I'm sure she's got great form and all that, but she's got a lot less volume falling from the sky than any of the others.
So yeah, she's going to create a tiny splash.
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On the 14 yr old diver from China who had a handful of "perfect" dives......I'm sure she's got great form and all that, but she's got a lot less volume falling from the sky than any of the others.
So yeah, she's going to create a tiny splash.
Did you actually watch her dive?
Perfect scores are given for much more then the splash
She is scary good
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Yes, but if 2 divers have identically perfect dives, the one with 40% of the body mass is going to win.
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Yes, but if 2 divers have identically perfect dives, the one with 40% of the body mass is going to win.
If you say so
but in this case she set a world record score and nobody was near her
no one else got a perfect score on a dive and she did it 4 times
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8E8Gp-VIAAaAqr?format=jpg&name=large)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8FZEMdVkAQOh8-?format=jpg&name=large)
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Dominate 3-0 performance by US womens vb against Serbia in semis. Crushed Boskovic, the world's best Opp hitter. Ive never seen better passing in a big match, and the middles arrived to boot.
Will play Brazil v South Korea winner.
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Gopher heavyweight wrestler (and defending NCAA champ) Gable Steveson scores two takedowns in the last 12 seconds of the bout to take the gold medal away from the defending Olympic champ.
https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/1423612487811964928?s=20
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Oh hell yes!!!
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Italy with the gold in the 100 and the 4×1. Not sure speedy sprinters is my first thought of the Italians.
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There's little doubt where the Bronze medalist in the women's marathon is from. Great moment and race.
https://twitter.com/chrischavez/status/1423810449448001540?s=21
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watching baseball
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8MmEiSVoAEtY4u?format=jpg&name=medium)
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So time out....
there's "kumite" - which I assume we've all seen Bloodsport, right? In the gold medal match, the guy loses because he kicked the guy too hard and knocked him out. So he loses.
AND
there's kata.....doing karate stuff with no opponent......and it's an olympic sport? Couldn't they just call it Karate Memory? Whoever remembers their routine best is the winner?
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Some BS stuff if you ask me.
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So time out....
there's "kumite" - which I assume we've all seen Bloodsport, right? In the gold medal match, the guy loses because he kicked the guy too hard and knocked him out. So he loses.
AND
there's kata.....doing karate stuff with no opponent......and it's an olympic sport? Couldn't they just call it Karate Memory? Whoever remembers their routine best is the winner?
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Some BS stuff if you ask me.
Don't know the situation for the former.
For kata, that's a thing. Consider it the karate equivalent of gymnastics floor exercise.
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In Competitive kumite including in the Olympics, you need to show restraint and control of your strikes so as not to seriously injure your opponent. That is why he was disqualified
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The guy walked into the kick.
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(https://i.imgur.com/empcWUn.jpg)
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The guy walked into the kick.
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(https://i.imgur.com/empcWUn.jpg)
😂😂. He really did.
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What about the Olympic sport of Horse training? seen a lot of horse do some fabulous things but the athleticism is the horse. is there a separate category for dog trainers? or pet rock trainers?
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Reminds me of Crossfit......finding out who is the best at exercising. Fun.
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Reminds me of Crossfit......finding out who is the best at exercising. Fun.
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1424001022922461186?s=19
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Gold medal beatdown of Brazil. Really good match to watch if you want to see how serve receive and passing is so crucial in volleyball. Brazil could not and US had maybe 1.5 bad passes.
Very cool to see Jordan Larson end the match with a kill. JWO should be the tournament MVP. B
The gold puts US ahead of China in gold count, if that's what you're into.
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Too many sports by 3x for me, I lost interest completely/ Maybe 5x.
I remember doing katas in my limited karate training back in the day. They could get difficult even at my level and you had to be really warmed up and flexible. It was like strenuous dancing, great exercise really.
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Too many sports by 3x for me, I lost interest completely/ Maybe 5x.
I remember doing katas in my limited karate training back in the day. They could get difficult even at my level and you had to be really warmed up and flexible. It was like strenuous dancing, great exercise really.
Yeah, my only issue with katas in a tournament/competition form is similar to my issue with gymnastics or diving or figure skating. It comes down so much to subjective judging decisions than anything else.
At least with sparring/kumite, it's like fencing in that you score a point or you don't by actually striking your opponent. That's much more objective.
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Yeah when I watch diving I'm like "wow" and then the announcer is like that was such a crappy dive.
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Yeah when I watch diving I'm like "wow" and then the announcer is like that was such a crappy dive.
Ha! Same here. I'd be a poor diving judge, and an even worse diving competitor...
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Heh, I didn't even know that the basketball team was in contention for the gold.
Last I heard they face planted out of the gate, and I had just assumed that they were sent home packing a while ago.
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I always love it, bummed it's over
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I guess the winter olympics is next year
dont know where
bring on the curling
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I guess the winter olympics is next year
dont know where
bring on the curling
The problem with the Winter Olympics is there's a million other things happening.
The Summer Olympics are perfect. You are (usually) a month plus out from the NBA/NHL Finals, baseball is on the dog days, you've got nothing else. It's something else that's perfectly times at just two weeks. Then it's over, and MLB playoff races are heating up, and football is right around the corner. I have truly never understood the objection
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The problem with the Winter Olympics is there's a million other things happening.
The Summer Olympics are perfect. You are (usually) a month plus out from the NBA/NHL Finals, baseball is on the dog days, you've got nothing else. It's something else that's perfectly times at just two weeks. Then it's over, and MLB playoff races are heating up, and football is right around the corner. I have truly never understood the objection
in my world February is pretty dead
no football or baseball and too cold to go outside
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I guess the winter olympics is next year
dont know where
bring on the curling
Beijing, China. Curling will be in the Water Cube, the same building where Michael Phelps wrecked shop. Skiing will be in the mountains 150 miles northwest of Beijing.
After that, it's Milan, Italy, with skiing and downhill events scattered throughout the Italian Alps.
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in my world February is pretty dead
no football or baseball and too cold to go outside
you have no idea
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you have no idea
Chili time
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I visit Texas in February to play golf
outside
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I visit Texas in February to play golf
outside
I live in Phoenix so I can golf year around without having to travel
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it's not too cold to go outside, like in Texas?
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Anything below 50 is too cold to go outside.
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Anything below 50 is too cold to go outside.
thats where I drew the line when I played golf
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The only time I've seen below 50 here is in the beer cooler.
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I draw the line at 40
but, it's gotta be sunny with little wind if below 50
40 was also the line with motorcycles
anything above 40 is fine, no gloves needed, just a jacket
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The only time I've seen below 50 here is in the beer cooler.
Everyone should move there.
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I draw the line at 40
but, it's gotta be sunny with little wind if below 50
40 was also the line with motorcycles
anything above 40 is fine, no gloves needed, just a jacket
40? Really?
Haven'cha ever heard of layering up?
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that was layered up on the motorcycle
layering up and trying to swing a golf club is different
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So long as everyone in the group is at the same disadvantage, what difference does it make?
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below 40 degrees, there is no "group"
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I live in Phoenix so I can golf year around without having to travel
I don't golf when it's 115.
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I don't golf when it's 115.
Word up. That's lake/boating/skiing weather.
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I don't golf when it's 115.
I did play when the heat index was 115
I didn't enjoy it
would have rather been on the lake, but it was too hot for that as well
a dimly lit nice cool bar stool would have been preferred
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below 40 degrees, there is no "group"
So use sleeveless shirts for most of the layers, and keep your core toasty warm. Put on a pair of detached sleeves, and then a singular long sleeve shirt over top of it all. With a sleeveless vest over that. Free swinging, all day long.
Come up with solutions instead of excuses.
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I don't golf when it's 115.
Earlier this summer, I went 10 innings behind the plate on a day with a heat index in that general vicinity. I didn't think I was going to die, but it wasn't far from it.
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I jogged today, it was fine in the shade, but the sun was a bit of a factor. I then rested and hit the gym and then the pool. It was raining while I was gyming but it quit. I didn't want to get wet at the pool. I was the only one swimming, or present, it's like my personal pool. Except on weekends.
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So use sleeveless shirts for most of the layers, and keep your core toasty warm. Put on a pair of detached sleeves, and then a singular long sleeve shirt over top of it all. With a sleeveless vest over that. Free swinging, all day long.
Come up with solutions instead of excuses.
oh, I've played when it was 20 degrees more than a few times
when I can't feel my fingers it's just not enjoyable
I can putt with mittens, but swinging a 5-iron is tough and tingles the fingers when you don't hit the sweet spot
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oh, I've played when it was 20 degrees more than a few times
when I can't feel my fingers it's just not enjoyable
I can putt with mittens, but swinging a 5-iron is tough and tingles the fingers when you don't hit the sweet spot
makes opening those beers mighty tough
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I hate it when my beer turns slushy
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Just remember that if you drink in Texas, you have to break the bottle on the ground like you are spiking a football, once you are done consuming its contents. Otherwise it is just a dead giveaway that "ya aren't from round here, are ya."
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it's also tradition in Texas to toss the empty bottle in the air and shot it with your revolver from the hip whilst wearing a 10-gallon hat or a sombrero
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I can see that you are already well versed in Texas drinking rules.
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been readying myself for a move to Utee's hood for decades
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been readying myself for a move to Utee's hood for decades
bastage
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I bet that UTee spikes the bottle like a football, whereas Longhorn320 prefers to shoot it from the hip in a 10 gallon hat.
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I don't golf when it's 115.
It is known as a 630 tee time.
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Earlier this summer, I went 10 innings behind the plate on a day with a heat index in that general vicinity. I didn't think I was going to die, but it wasn't far from it.
I did stop umpiring baseball/softball when i moved out here. Did the first summar, but no way am I wearing all that equipment in the heat.
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China just couldnt accept losing the gold medal race to the US so now they are saying their count includes both Hong Kong and Taiwan
love it