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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Hawkinole on August 04, 2017, 02:07:05 AM
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Big Ten West -- Who is best?
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They are already making commemorative cheese wheels if that tells you where all the betting money is going.
Really looking forward to November 18th.
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UW is definitely a heavy favorite this year, like Iowa was last year, but I really do think UW is the best team in the West right now.
Best football program? Best academics? Best coeds? Best lakes? Best beer?
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I'm not sure Wisconsin is as good as the top 10 love they're getting, but they are the best, most complete team in the West this year.
Program? Wisconsin right now.
Academics? Always a silly question, because it's program dependent.
Coeds? I wouldn't know, I've only been on half the B1G West campuses, and it's not something I've thought about for 15 years.
Lakes? Minnesota.
Beer? Toppling Goliath rules all, so Iowa! But really, it's probably Minnesota.
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I want it to be Nebraska, but think that it will be Wisconsin.
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Lakes?
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Beer?
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^ The most overrated beer I've ever tasted.
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All of schools have nice looking ladies. But that would be like looking at my daughter, if I had one. So.. never mind.
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^ The most overrated beer I've ever tasted.
Wow. Most people I know love the stuff. They make a lot of beers but that's the picture I could find.
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Wow. Most people I know love the stuff. They make a lot of beers but that's the picture I could find.
It's not bad. It's overrated. Terribly so.
Their Moon Man is a much better beer. As a whole, I like Potosi's offerings better.
But Minnesota has a greater volume of quality beer.
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Yeah, but there's Pabst. Heh.
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The last 2 years the winner of the Big Ten west has come down to the winner of the Iowa-Wisc game. If the results of those games are reversed, the winners of the division are reversed. I expect both teams to be in the mix.
But the interesting thing is NW has been lingering near first place the last couple years too. This may be the year for NW to finally break through under RF.
Mike Riley needs to step it up in his 3rd year to another level at Neb or else his coaching seat is going to start get a little warm, but I am not sure Neb has the veterans players he needs to step it up. It will be up to a new QB and new players to break through if it happens.
PJ Fleck, Lovie Smith, and Jeff Brohm are still building their programs and I do not expect their teams to contend, even though Minn was a decent team last year.
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Coeds wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind with Sconnie, as they frequently win the title for being the heftiest state.
Nebraska seems to do pretty well in the coed dept as far as I can tell, with a shout out to the Illini.
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Wisky... UNL was in worse shape than many wanted to admit or will admit. In addition to just having 1 LB on scholarship when Riley arrived, the OL had more in common with Oregon than UNL lines of old (in terms of size) and lacked quality at TE and DE. In fact, UNL had an OC who said the TE was an outdate position in CF, yet the huskers still had a TE coach and recruited run blockers... for a spread offense. The vision was not translated into action under bo. Further, UNL fans are impatient and Riley has not shown he's the guy to fix the program, yet. He might be, but still an unknown. Bad combo..
There are a lot of good things going on in the program right now. Eric Crouch was at practice and said the team is finally looking like a BIG10 team. They look bigger and there are more athletes on the field. That credit goes to Riley. Now, can his coaches avoid losses to teams like Illinois and start closing the gap on the east powers....???? If strides are not made this year, I'm not sure UNL fans will allow him to coach in 2019. Which does imply a new AD after 2018.
so yea.. not optimistic.
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The co-eds thing is too subjective anyway. But for the sake of objectivity: Minnesota > Wisconsin
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"Coeds wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind with Sconnie, as they frequently win the title for being the heftiest state."
Welp...
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Lakes?
...pic...
Is it lakes visible from campus or lake access in the state? If it's the former, *eyeroll*. If it's the latter, give me Minnesota all damn day.
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The campus is on Lake Mendota. It's really pretty.
Wisconsin has >>> Great Lakes frontage. So, winner (I'm a big Great Lakes guy - bias). Both are great for inland lake fishing, in my opinion. Makes no difference to me.
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"Coeds wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind with Sconnie, as they frequently win the title for being the heftiest state."
Welp...
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Heh, nice map.
Upon further inspection, I seem to have attributed Milwaukee's distinction to the rest of the state. My bad.
Seriously though. I have no doubt that a fella could carve out a pretty solid harem of concubines from any of the Big Ten campuses.
Even *ichigan.
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Lots of the country is too fat. I include myself in that club.
Too much good food and WAY too much good booze.
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With the legalization of weed, I predict that Colorado will catch up to the rest of the country. Also, I recommend buying stock in Doritos and Twinkies.
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Coeds wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind with Sconnie, as they frequently win the title for being the heftiest state.
Nebraska seems to do pretty well in the coed dept as far as I can tell, with a shout out to the Illini.
Wisconsin also is by FAR the most alcohol-consuming state, so I trust they think they have the best coeds. Beer goggles and all.
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I considered voting for Purdue, just as a laugh... Which would be equally laughable if we were talking about football team *OR* coeds...
There's a reason I moved to California after graduation rather than staying in Indiana lol...
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Bucky
but, the best team doesn't always win
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I want it to be Nebraska, but think that it will be Wisconsin.
Amen, brother!
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On coeds and maps:
Every school has an insanely high % of hotties on campus. The fat states are poor, and the poor have the most kids, and when you have a bunch of kids, you get fat. When they're 20, they're angels...by 35, they're fatties.
If I were to be critical of 'Sconnie" or "Minny" or some other midwest hottie population, it would be their paleness. Not all, please don't suggest that. But on the whole, on the average, those places that are freezing for 3+ months a year are going to be less tan than those that are never or rarely freezing.
When I imagine a coed from Wisconsin, she's fit, beautiful, and very white. Not good or bad, just pale. I prefer a tan chick, but a pale one can just as easily be a 10.
The 'this campus' girls vs that campus' girls' argument is fruitless.
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I agree with Wisconsin.. After I posted this topic, I thought I should have asked, who is 2nd best in the West.
I added University of Dubuque because it is halfway between Iowa City and Madison, and my daughter enrolled there. For those who thought the west was really bad, I figured someone would select UD, but c'est la vie. UD is worse at football than the BTW.
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The 'this campus' girls vs that campus' girls' argument is fruitless.
I see you've never been to West Lafayette...
I visited Auburn once when a friend was getting married there. I looked at my fellow Boilermaker who was there with me and said "we went to the wrong frickin' school."
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I see you've never been to West Lafayette...
I visited Auburn once when a friend was getting married there. I looked at my fellow Boilermaker who was there with me and said "we went to the wrong frickin' school."
I've been to West Lafayette....... I agree with you
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I've been to West Lafayette....... I agree with you
I think I ran into as many Purdue male students as Indiana male students at parties in Bloomington, for a good reason.
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On coeds and maps:
Every school has an insanely high % of hotties on campus. The fat states are poor, and the poor have the most kids, and when you have a bunch of kids, you get fat. When they're 20, they're angels...by 35, they're fatties.
If I were to be critical of 'Sconnie" or "Minny" or some other midwest hottie population, it would be their paleness. Not all, please don't suggest that. But on the whole, on the average, those places that are freezing for 3+ months a year are going to be less tan than those that are never or rarely freezing.
When I imagine a coed from Wisconsin, she's fit, beautiful, and very white. Not good or bad, just pale. I prefer a tan chick, but a pale one can just as easily be a 10.
The 'this campus' girls vs that campus' girls' argument is fruitless.
I'm glad that the pale ones aren't heavily sought after.
All the more for me.
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if you are living in the great white north............ the pale girls (which are all of them) start to look mighty fine by March
heck, by Xmas
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I doubt the tanning booth had been invented when I was in high school
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I see you've never been to West Lafayette...
I visited Auburn once when a friend was getting married there. I looked at my fellow Boilermaker who was there with me and said "we went to the wrong frickin' school."
Not a big fan of the AU football fan base. Sure, it has some good ones, but it has more than its share of the classless and clueless types.
That said, Auburn flies under the radar when it comes to academics (especially engineering). It's not all *that* far behind Purdue and Georgia Tech academically, but gets hardly any benefit of the doubt because it's in the SEC as opposed to the ACC or B1G.
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I agree with Wisconsin.. After I posted this topic, I thought I should have asked, who is 2nd best in the West.
I added University of Dubuque because it is halfway between Iowa City and Madison, and my daughter enrolled there. For those who thought the west was really bad, I figured someone would select UD, but c'est la vie. UD is worse at football than the BTW.
Is this kind of a reverse survivor. First you vote for 1st place, throw the winner out of the next poll and then vote for 2nd, throw the winner out and vote for 3rd, etc.
The real question is once you get down to just Purdue, Illinois and Dubuque, then who do you vote for 6th place?
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after the badgers,........ the next group is probably a toss up between Northwestern and Iowa - two proven coaches. Northwestern with the nod because of veteran QB
then, do you believe in Mike Riley or PJ Fleck?
Riley in his 3rd season gets the nod for me
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PJ... Ugh. Another self-promoter in the B1G. Great..
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give the kid a chance
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after the badgers,........ the next group is probably a toss up between Northwestern and Iowa - two proven coaches. Northwestern with the nod because of veteran QB
then, do you believe in Mike Riley or PJ Fleck?
Riley in his 3rd season gets the nod for me
I thought it was interesting that both Neb and Minn got more votes than Iowa in the pre-season coaches poll and this friendly little poll too. So the coaches at least see more Top 25 potential in tbe Huskers and Gophers than this year's Hawkeyes.
Looks like just about everybody thinks this is going to be a rebuilding year for Iowa.
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Iowa has somehow secured two offseason recruits with experience, so I would elevate the Hawkeyes to 4th, and de-elevate Minnesota to 5th. Nebraska is 3rd. NU is 2nd.
Illinois, Purdue and Dubuque are mired together in last. :(
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I thought it was interesting that both Neb and Minn got more votes than Iowa in the pre-season coaches poll and this friendly little poll too. So the coaches at least see more Top 25 potential in tbe Huskers and Gophers than this year's Hawkeyes.
not sure why the love for the
gophs with a new staff
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The self-promotion is working.
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has PJ always won big in his first season?
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I'm glad that the pale ones aren't heavily sought after.
All the more for me.
Just an observation. I am Northern European (Luxembourg, England, maybe points farther north). I am either peach, or I am cherry red. There is nothing I can do about it. So I don't hold pale against anyone. By the same token, I don't hold dark-skin against anyone, either.
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Skin tone is like seasons. I like seasons, except those damn polar vortex things. The Canadians should keep those.
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has PJ always won big in his first season?
Well, he's only had one HC job before this one and he went 1-11 in his first year. Then 8-5, 8-5 and 13-1.
He learned how to lose to UW last year, so he's ready to continue the tradition. But he did beat NU and Illinois. Heh.
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he's not doomed, but probably can't win the west this season
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I think his biggest deterrent is himself. Some kids buy into the BS and some don't. We'll see how he recruits as a result. I'm thinking his recruiting ceiling are the same types of kids he had at WMU - the chip on the shoulder kind, which can work. Time will tell.
There was a thread on one of the Badger boards that shows him in WMU marketing pictures. After the 1-11 season he had a low profile in them. Before last season he dominated them. And you should see the one for this coming season. Jeez. It's all about him. I'll try to find it.
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BTW... PJ was raised properly. Not sure what happened since.
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He grew up in a Badger home.
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I think his biggest deterrent is himself. Some kids buy into the BS and some don't. We'll see how he recruits as a result. I'm thinking his recruiting ceiling are the same types of kids he had at WMU - the chip on the shoulder kind, which can work. Time will tell.
How'd mean "chip on the shoulder kind"?
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not sure why the love for the
gophs with a new staff
I think the reasons are a little multifaceted.
1. I'll agree with what Badge said about the self-promotion. Fleck comes in with a wave of energy. All new coaches talk about revitalizing rosters, getting more out of kids, and I think he might be able to, to a degree. But yeah, hype matters in the love part.
2. The Gophers return a good bit. You lose a so-so QB, but return two good backs, a veteran tight end, big-play WR, and some solid front seven pieces. That's enough to be solid, and Minnesota is usually solid, often close to a but more.
The situation isn't far from his first WMU team, which had a lot of veterans, granted low-ceiling ones off a team that played better than its record. His first team ended up stripped down to the studs, while running the wrong offense for the MAC, but I can't recall if that was a purposeful youth movement or a devastating wave of injuries (I seem to recall the latter, but can't find a reference).
3. Minnesota hasn't been put off by challenging spots. They lost a coach and got better with his assistant. They lost half the team and had their head coach all but fire himself and win a bowl game, so perhaps a new staff won't hurt.
So that's the case why there's probably love. He could also have another year 0 and suck brutally, or the WMU thing could just be one instance and not a pattern.
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How'd mean "chip on the shoulder kind"?
Hungry 2-3* kids that were passed over.
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The self-promotion is working.
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It's a 125 y/o rivalry. Of course we're gonna talk about it.
Even when Punky was the coach.
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Skin tone is like seasons. I like seasons, except those damn polar vortex things. The Canadians should keep those.
I'll take an Artic Vortex over 110 Deg. "but it's a dry heat any day".Ya know when the gel is running out the side of your Nike/New Balance shoes