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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2021, 01:05:39 PM

Title: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2021, 01:05:39 PM
Daisy orange > burnt orange?

I don't get it.  
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: utee94 on May 04, 2021, 01:25:04 PM
Wasn't getting along with the new coaching staff.  He had academic issues that kept him out of the first part of spring drills, and when he came back, they were running him with the 2s.  So he quit.

He actually entered the portal last year as well, and then decided to stay.

He's a pretty good player and we have little depth at LB, it's not good for us.  But perhaps he'll find a better fit at UTenn and grow in productivity, as it was hoped he'd do here in Austin.

Anyway, we've lost several to the portal over the past couple months, which is pretty common when a coaching change occurs.  If they don't like the new staff then it's better they leave, anyway.  One of the worst things for any team with a new coaching staff is to have veterans that aren't bought in.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: longhorn320 on May 04, 2021, 01:25:53 PM
Daisy orange > burnt orange?

I don't get it. 
He came to us as a JUCO transfer and has announced twice in the last 14 months his wish to leave the Horns

I have not seen anything about why other then he may have had some academic issue

Frankly Ive always been from the school of thought if youre nor happy being a Horn dont let the door spank you on the way out

Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: Mr Tulip on May 04, 2021, 05:53:52 PM
He alternated between quitting and being so gung-ho that he committed PF penalties. He has talent, but needs to get the upper and lower halves wired together.

Really, reading the NFL draft reports on our former players was telling. They all said some variation of, "The player has fantastic natural ability. Lacks technique and fundamentals.". Essentially, our previous coaching staff did not develop any of them.

There have been several Texas players in the portal lately. Most of them, Texas fans aren't sad to see them go. I believe, though, that their lack of execution at Texas is very much tied to their lack of coaching. They could easily thrive elsewhere.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2021, 01:38:10 PM
seems odd, because Texas only hires previously successful coaches

seems the assistant coaches are in charge of technique and  fundamentals.  Most successful head coaches bring along assistants they've worked with in the past and trust.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: utee94 on May 05, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
I don't think being successful at an AAC type program, always translates to being successful at a place like Texas.

In fact, right now the evidence indicates, that it NEVER translates to being successful at Texas.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2021, 02:31:58 PM
it obviously doesn't translate, but teaching technique and fundamentals shouldn't be the reason
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: Mr Tulip on May 05, 2021, 02:42:52 PM
I got to school in 1990 towards the end of David McWilliams. I believe, after his firing, that Texas wanted to break the "does he know Daryl Royal" line, so they hired Mackovic. He was a good coach, but a bad Texan. Of course, they then accidentally hired Mack Brown when they meant to hire Gary Barnett.

We got an AD who knew how to cut costs on paper towels in the restroom, so he tried the same thing with one of the highest profile jobs in collegiate sports. I believe Charlie Strong was learning, and would have grown into the role with proper support, but that wasn't to be. Herman checked all the boxes. He was a Texas fan, was up close at a really big program, and had won as a head coach.

Turns out he learned from Meyer how to be a crusty jerk, because Meyer's a crusty jerk. When you're a natural jerk, people respect that and listen. When you're pretending to be a jerk, well, you're just a jerk. People think you're a jerk.

Sark remains to be seen. He checks a lot of boxes. He's seen the big time up close. He's learned from the best. Perhaps most importantly, he's already been taught what happens if you start believing your own glory. He knows there are limits, and the limits break you if you don't delegate and trust. He's got a dream team of the best in the business around him.

Now, he's just gotta go undefeated every year.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: utee94 on May 05, 2021, 03:14:41 PM
it obviously doesn't translate, but teaching technique and fundamentals shouldn't be the reason
And yet the last two coaching staffs at Texas sucked.

If you have an explanation, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2021, 04:31:38 PM
I don't of course.

At Nebraska we/they blame recruiting and talent and other issues.

perhaps bad tackling has been a symptom of poor technique and fundamentals, but we haven't seen athletes going to the NFL and then playing well when they recieve better coaching

I do think some coaches don't stress the fundamentals enough, especially at high profile places.  They might assume if you are a big time recruit, your high school coaches should have instilled good fundamentals.

But, we know that's not always the case.  Some kids in high school simply dominate because of superior athleticism.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 06, 2021, 12:44:09 PM
Just have Herman & Strong as Co-HCs....
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: FearlessF on May 06, 2021, 12:52:45 PM
just bring back Mack Brown

he could recruit another Vince Young and all would be good
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: longhorn320 on May 06, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
just bring back Mack Brown

he could recruit another Vince Young and all would be good
There are a lot of folks that would like that to happen but Mack is kinda busy right now
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: FearlessF on May 06, 2021, 01:28:03 PM
he's not THAT busy that y'all couldn't get his attention
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: longhorn320 on May 06, 2021, 01:35:20 PM
he's not THAT busy that y'all couldn't get his attention
I dont think the folks making that decision have changed their minds
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: FearlessF on May 06, 2021, 01:47:32 PM
because those folks were the ones that kicked Mack out and don't want to admit they were wrong?
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: longhorn320 on May 06, 2021, 01:53:17 PM
because those folks were the ones that kicked Mack out and don't want to admit they were wrong?
The reasons Mack was canned are still the reasons he will not be rehired

I dont think Mack would want to come back

I wouldnt if I were him
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: Cincydawg on May 11, 2021, 12:10:08 PM
I watched UNC play a bit before MB showed up.  What I saw was horrific tackling technique.  I noted UNC also had a lot of injuries, and I wondered if the staff there lightened up practice to avoid injuries, and then the players were not used to being hit hard, or hitting, in real games.

That changed after MB got there, UNC started playing pretty hard nosed football, flying to the ball, and tackling appropriately instead of kind of arm waving as the RB streaks by.  Some could be scheme being in the wrong place of course, but I'd see UNC defenders either bounce off running backs or get carried 3-4-5-6 YACs consistently.

Of course, at one time it was Nick Chubb they were trying to slow, so that could be part of it.

Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: longhorn320 on May 11, 2021, 12:31:00 PM
I watched UNC play a bit before MB showed up.  What I saw was horrific tackling technique.  I noted UNC also had a lot of injuries, and I wondered if the staff there lightened up practice to avoid injuries, and then the players were not used to being hit hard, or hitting, in real games.

That changed after MB got there, UNC started playing pretty hard nosed football, flying to the ball, and tackling appropriately instead of kind of arm waving as the RB streaks by.  Some could be scheme being in the wrong place of course, but I'd see UNC defenders either bounce off running backs or get carried 3-4-5-6 YACs consistently.

Of course, at one time it was Nick Chubb they were trying to slow, so that could be part of it.


The last time I saw a Longhorn ball carrier who would routinely carry defenders 3 4 or 5 yards down field was Earl Campbell
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: Mr Tulip on May 11, 2021, 12:36:29 PM
Mack didn't suddenly become a bad coach at some point. He always knew football, and he was good at instructing it.
However, I'd think at a program like Texas, it's almost easier to build it up than it is to maintain it.

You can always figure, "Man, if we just had that one special kid. If we just had a little better practice. If S&C were a little different..." you'd make it over the mountain. Once you get there, you try to remember the intensity that got you there. You want to keep it going.

But we're all human. Sacrificing the sleep and the personal family moments starts to grate. You wonder if a little less would be OK. The human body can only handle so much, so standards start to slip. After a while, you're "burnt out". You let the magazines recruit for you. You let the position coaches pick your formations and plays. Players start arriving late for workouts, and just do what they feel like.

I have no doubt that, after resting and being away, Mack's ready to lead again. UNC can definitely take the next step with him.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: Cincydawg on May 11, 2021, 01:34:51 PM
One thing I notice routinely when I watch elite defenses play is they swarm to the ball and when they hit someone, they go down.  (Brilliant insight here.)

No doubt this is part ability, elite speed and strength, but a lot has to be technique, and some scheme, you have players around you doing the right thing also.

Then if I watch a mediocre team, I see ball carriers routinely shucking tackles or getting an extra four YACs.
Title: Re: Why did that Texas LB leave?
Post by: Mr Tulip on May 11, 2021, 02:29:37 PM
I've played as a soccer goaltender quite a bit in my life. I've taught it to quite a few, as well.

One thing I teach is footwork. Some kids show up thinking the goalie doesn't have to run. I kill that notion quickly. A save is made with with feet first. Knowing where you're supposed to be, reading the play, nimbly getting to that spot, and being set and in proper position to receive the shot. Do it right, and everyone thinks, "The 'keeper was lucky. He shot the ball right at him!".

A leaping punch save is a beaten goaltender desperately attempting to stop a sure goal.

In the same way, a good defense understands the scheme. A good defender understands his role in it. He plays his own role and trusts his teammates to do theirs. The result should be the ball carrier having one option. The assigned defender then powers through a fundamentally sound tackle, with teammates arriving to help as permitting.

Of course, sometimes the offense wins the play. In today's football, one on one matchups are sought. In that case, a defender will need to react and play the ball carrier when the carrier has multiple options. Only then is leaving your feet appropriate.