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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on August 02, 2017, 08:20:34 AM
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FANTASY/SCI FI
2. Star Wars
ACTION/DRAMA
4. Indiana Jones
COMIC BOOK
2. The Avengers
HORROR
5. Scream
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Ranking each...
SW
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
Revenge of the Sith
Force Awakens
A New Hope
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
MCU (No Iron Man/CA)
The Avengers
Guardians
Doctor Strange
The Dark World
Ant-Man
Thor
Age of Ultron
Hulk
Haven't seen Guardians 2 or Homecoming, so leads to a nice 8 on 8 matchup
I think both go about 5 deep really strong, with #6 (New Hope/Thor) being solid. Bottom two in each are pretty rough. I think part of me is jaded by nostalgia and the fact that I grew up with Star Wars, but I think that wins by a nose for me. If I were 15 years younger, might be different.
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These are my 2 favorite franchises, so I'm liking the finals.
If the MCU included Iron Man 1 and Winter Solider (2 of my favorite 3 in the MCU) I would pick the Avengers. But... I think I have to go with the classic's man.
Also looking forward I'm really excited about the next 2 Star Wars movies (Last Jedi and Han Solo,) and kinda confused on what the MCU is doing (Thor/Hulk team up, Black Panther~ish, Ant/Wasp team up, supposed to all these movies would climax for 2 Infinity War movies, but now it's just one, and a bunch more stuff?)
Who ousted Jurassic Park? And Toy Story? Die Hard? Shrek? Despicable Me? TMNT? Cars? I guess I would appreciate getting a recap of this whole thing.
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I'd rank Force Awakens above Sith, by a pretty wide margin. Just how they had to shoe horn their movie into synching with the OT was really bad. NOOOOOOOOOO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s)!
I didn't think Homecoming counted towards Avengers since Spidey has his own franchise?
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Yeah, I don't really agree with AAA's ranking of the Star Wars movies at all. Probably a matter of perspective due to our differences in age-- I saw them each when they first premiered in the movie theaters. My rankings:
Stars Wars (it's not "A New Hope" to me, get off my lawn")
Empire
Return
Force Awakens
Rogue One
Sith
Clones/Phantom (tossup for me and I don't really care because they're by far the worst of the franchise IMO)
Anyway, as much as I like Avengers, it's not anywhere close to as iconic as Star Wars, and so Star Wars gets my vote.
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I'd rank Force Awakens above Sith, by a pretty wide margin. Just how they had to shoe horn their movie into synching with the OT was really bad. NOOOOOOOOOO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s)!
I didn't think Homecoming counted towards Avengers since Spidey has his own franchise?
I thought so at first watch, the more I watched it though, the more I think I was just happy to see Star Wars back, and how the movie is good, but not great.
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Yeah, I don't really agree with AAA's ranking of the Star Wars movies at all. Probably a matter of perspective due to our differences in age-- I saw them each when they first premiered in the movie theaters. My rankings:
Stars Wars (it's not "A New Hope" to me, get off my lawn")
Empire
Return
Force Awakens
Rogue One
Sith
Clones/Phantom (tossup for me and I don't really care because they're by far the worst of the franchise IMO)
Anyway, as much as I like Avengers, it's not anywhere close to as iconic as Star Wars, and so Star Wars gets my vote.
A New Hope really has very little action in it, and aside from the final Death Star battle, is actually just kind of boring with some awful dialogue. I think maybe it's getting a nostalgia bump. I actually had a co-worker tell me to (if its possible) go back and try to watch it with an open mind and not under the preconceived notion that it's great, and then try and tell someone why it's great. IMO, he's right. Sith has bad acting and overuse of CGI, but on the whole I find it much more watchable than A New Hope, of which the first hour and a half is no better than Menace/Clones.
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These are my 2 favorite franchises, so I'm liking the finals.
If the MCU included Iron Man 1 and Winter Solider (2 of my favorite 3 in the MCU) I would pick the Avengers. But... I think I have to go with the classic's man.
Also looking forward I'm really excited about the next 2 Star Wars movies (Last Jedi and Han Solo,) and kinda confused on what the MCU is doing (Thor/Hulk team up, Black Panther~ish, Ant/Wasp team up, supposed to all these movies would climax for 2 Infinity War movies, but now it's just one, and a bunch more stuff?)
Who ousted Jurassic Park? And Toy Story? Die Hard? Shrek? Despicable Me? TMNT? Cars? I guess I would appreciate getting a recap of this whole thing.
We lost the old board so I don't remember who JP lost to. I think TMNT lost to Avengers? Toy Story, Shrek, Despicable Me and Cars got the boot when we flipped from Kids to Horror as the 4th bracket. Die Hard didn't make it in.
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i'd go:
empire
star wars
rogue 1
force awakens
return
revenge
clone
phantom
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Star Wars
Empire
Return
(...)
Force Awakens
Rogue one
Revenge of the Sith
(...)
Attack of the Clones
(...)
The Star Wars Holiday Special
Ewoks: Battle for Endor
Ewoks: Caravan of Courage
(...)
(...)
(...)
The Phantom Menace
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I'm very much in the minority, but I'm not a star wars fan nor do I think the movies are all that great. I was never into them as a child and as an adult, I find them poorly written with many logic holes (I'm talking about how trained warriors could be beaten by fury animals with rocks.. that sort of thing..) I'm ok being the minority on it too. I don't mock those who look at star wars as if it transforms them to their childhood or anything like that.. I think it's great. It's just not the movies that do it for me..
Avengers.
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A New Hope really has very little action in it, and aside from the final Death Star battle, is actually just kind of boring with some awful dialogue. I think maybe it's getting a nostalgia bump. I actually had a co-worker tell me to (if its possible) go back and try to watch it with an open mind and not under the preconceived notion that it's great, and then try and tell someone why it's great. IMO, he's right. Sith has bad acting and overuse of CGI, but on the whole I find it much more watchable than A New Hope, of which the first hour and a half is no better than Menace/Clones.
Star Wars is the original, it created the universe, and completely changed the way SciFi movies were made, and watched, by hundreds of millions of people. I've watched it hundreds of times, and will watch it pretty much any time it comes on.
So, in short, I completely disagree with you. :)
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Yeah, I get why some like Empire better.
Star Wars was a bastion of creativity on a shoestring budget.
Something that had never been done before.
The rest are riding its coattails.
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Star Wars is the original, it created the universe, and completely changed the way SciFi movies were made, and watched, by hundreds of millions of people. I've watched it hundreds of times, and will watch it pretty much any time it comes on.
So, in short, I completely disagree with you. :)
I mean, yes it created the universe in that it created the characters and was the first movie, but really in a vacuum it doesn't do much to create the universe. It works as a standalone movie for a reason, Lucas wasn't sure he'd get approval for any sequels.
Technologically, absolutely. As a piece of entertainment, it's closer in my mind to I and II in enjoyment than it is to V or VI.
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If we are truly to view Star Wars in isolation, then we also have to view it in isolation of all movies released after 1977, seeing as it completely changed the way that movies were made.
The gap between it and all of the movies that came out before it is far more vast than what you will find to be the case with any of the other Star Wars movies.
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If we are truly to view Star Wars in isolation, then we also have to view it in isolation of all movies released after 1977, seeing as it completely changed the way that movies were made.
The gap between it and all of the movies that came out before it is far more vast than what you will find to be the case with any of the other Star Wars movies.
Like I said, I agree there.
I'm just simply voting based on my own preference/entertainment value. Not their value in terms of a piece of art, or as a turning point in filmmaking.
There are no rules on how to vote, and FTR I did still vote for Star Wars. Just not due a New Hope.
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Star Wars. Avengers may be better 20 years from now, but Stars Wars is it for me now. The intergalactic aspect, the mystery of the force vs having a blaster on your hip, all of it is great.
Both Avengers movies have had smaller villains, but the main villain in each was 'the struggle to work as a team'. Bleh.
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Stars Wars (it's not "A New Hope" to me, get off my lawn")
Missed this. Lucas tried to make it Episode IV: A New Hope all along, but wasn't permitted to, in the even no more were green-lighted, but it's been A New Hope since 1981, so it's not exactly like some recent change.
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Missed this. Lucas tried to make it Episode IV: A New Hope all along, but wasn't permitted to, in the even no more were green-lighted, but it's been A New Hope since 1981, so it's not exactly like some recent change.
Heh, I take it either way. My first Star Wars movie in the theater was Empire. And it's my favorite. I've always know the original movie as a "New Hope" But the poster in my home office just claims it as Star Wars so I'm ok with either name.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumb.ibb.co%2Fe0KOuk%2F802289_boba_fett_c_3po_darth_vader_movies_return_of_the_jedi_star_wars_the_empire_strikes_back.jpg&hash=126fb01d898cca2efd8c51431210a6b4) (http://ibb.co/e0KOuk)
Why does the "Add image to post" always cut off the edges? It forces the pic to be a fixed ratio.
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Heh, I take it either way. My first Star Wars movie in the theater was Empire. And it's my favorite. I've always know the original movie as a "New Hope" But the poster in my home office just claims it as Star Wars so I'm ok with either name.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumb.ibb.co%2Fe0KOuk%2F802289_boba_fett_c_3po_darth_vader_movies_return_of_the_jedi_star_wars_the_empire_strikes_back.jpg&hash=126fb01d898cca2efd8c51431210a6b4) (http://ibb.co/e0KOuk)
Why does the "Add image to post" always cut off the edges? It forces the pic to be a fixed ratio.
That's a cool poster.
As to the other question, I'd take it to the technical board. I've never had a problem with it, but I've never tried to post a wide photo.
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Heh, I take it either way. My first Star Wars movie in the theater was Empire. And it's my favorite. I've always know the original movie as a "New Hope" But the poster in my home office just claims it as Star Wars so I'm ok with either name.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumb.ibb.co%2Fe0KOuk%2F802289_boba_fett_c_3po_darth_vader_movies_return_of_the_jedi_star_wars_the_empire_strikes_back.jpg&hash=126fb01d898cca2efd8c51431210a6b4) (http://ibb.co/e0KOuk)
Why does the "Add image to post" always cut off the edges? It forces the pic to be a fixed ratio.
[member=1]Drew4UTk[/member]
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here is the full picture link
(http://thumb.ibb.co/e0KOuk/802289_boba_fett_c_3po_darth_vader_movies_return_of_the_jedi_star_wars_the_empire_strikes_back.jpg)
that is the URL of your pic, and it doesn't show the peripheral images in it, and it isn't exceptionally wide...
(https://www.walldevil.com/wallpapers/w01/503229-boba-fett-c3po-darth-vader-star-wars.jpg) (https://www.walldevil.com/wallpapers/w01/503229-boba-fett-c3po-darth-vader-star-wars.jpg)
that's^ the whole one, and if you click it it should blow up....
use the bullitan board code for bigger images. it's :
[img]your pic address here[/img]
if you want to upload a pic, you can use either the drag and drop tool or upload attachment tool... the attachment will be small clickable thing below post (that blows up when you click it) and the drag and drop will be inline with your post.
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Missed this. Lucas tried to make it Episode IV: A New Hope all along, but wasn't permitted to, in the even no more were green-lighted, but it's been A New Hope since 1981, so it's not exactly like some recent change.
When I saw it, in the theater, in 1977, it was Star Wars. When it became a global sensation, it was Star Wars.
It actually became "A New Hope" before the 1980 release of Empire, but the world already knew it as Star Wars.
Again, we're clearly coming at it from different places, since I saw it in the theater, upon first release, in 1977. I find it far more entertaining, on its own merits, than you do. It's okay, we're certainly allowed to have different opinions, I just vehemently disagree with yours. :)
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Yeah, I get why some like Empire better.
Star Wars was a bastion of creativity on a shoestring budget.
Something that had never been done before.
The rest are riding its coattails.
I know a lot of people that like Empire better. I get that, it was a great movie. But the originality of Star Wars is what puts it over the top for me. Empire is maybe a 1B for me.
And sometimes, the ewoks make me want to put Return down around Phantom Menace, but those moments are usually fleeting.
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Yeah, I used to be upset about their decision to replace Kashyyyk with Endor in Return of the Jedi, right up until I saw the Star Wars Holiday Special. Now I simply can't imagine having to listen to those God Forsaken Wookies howling and carrying on for a full third of that movie. In retrospect, it might have been one of the best decisions that they ever made.
Sorta like how everyone wanted to see the Biggs Darklighter footage... until it was actually released. Rather than being another Luke or Han, it was just some corny little putz with a bad 70s mustache.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1f/a1/ee/1fa1ee14a6a5e43b4603ae7989905c23--star-wars-characters-star-wars-episodes.jpg)
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Heh, I take it either way. My first Star Wars movie in the theater was Empire. And it's my favorite. I've always know the original movie as a "New Hope" But the poster in my home office just claims it as Star Wars so I'm ok with either name.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumb.ibb.co%2Fe0KOuk%2F802289_boba_fett_c_3po_darth_vader_movies_return_of_the_jedi_star_wars_the_empire_strikes_back.jpg&hash=126fb01d898cca2efd8c51431210a6b4) (http://thumb.ibb.co/e0KOuk/802289_boba_fett_c_3po_darth_vader_movies_return_of_the_jedi_star_wars_the_empire_strikes_back.jpg)
Why does the "Add image to post" always cut off the edges? It forces the pic to be a fixed ratio.
Also, where did you find that poster?
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Also, where did you find that poster?
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Stars Wars (it's not "A New Hope" to me, get off my lawn")
Empire
Return
Force Awakens
Rogue One
Sith
Clones/Phantom (tossup for me and I don't really care because they're by far the worst of the franchise IMO)
I generally agree, but I would put Rogue One and Force Awakens above Return of the Jedi. I think the ewoks were a bit corny.
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I generally agree, but I would put Rogue One and Force Awakens above Return of the Jedi. I think the ewoks were a bit corny.
I agree even though Jedi was the first movie I ever went to without parents.
For me it is:
- Empire
- Star Wars (I'm with Utee on naming here)
- Rogue One
- Force Awakens
- Jedi
- Sith
- Clones
- Phantom
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I thought the first half of Star Wars is awesome and holds up really well. The actiony parts and special effects look pretty dates now. But they are worlds ahead of the prequels, which functions as the movie version of Ambien.
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The shame is, the story overall of the prequels, and the way he made everything come together is really cool.
The dialogue is awful, they overused CGI at a time it couldn't be used like that, and it was badly miscast.
I think it would be impossible to do, but with a total remake, using the same general storyline, those movies could be really good.
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Agreed, the storyline had potential. Ditching Jar Jar would have helped tremendously, too.
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I've watched edits of the prequels that were quite a bit better. Generally they remove all the corny toilet humor, and eliminate Jar Jar wherever possible.
One of them dubbed in an alien voice for Jar Jar, and viewers had to read the subtitles in order to follow his dialogue. That alone made a tremendous difference; just shutting him up altogether.
That's sorta the problem though. With the OG Trilogy, fans generally don't care for the Special Edition edits, and want the original cuts released. (Greedo shoots first, the awful Jabba song, and so forth)
With the Prequels, the original cuts are essentially unwatchable, and they get quite a bit better when someone edits the ever living crap out of them.
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I've watched edits of the prequels that were quite a bit better. Generally they remove all the corny toilet humor, and eliminate Jar Jar wherever possible.
One of them dubbed in an alien voice for Jar Jar, and viewers had to read the subtitles in order to follow his dialogue. That alone made a tremendous difference; just shutting him up altogether.
That's sorta the problem though. With the OG Trilogy, fans generally don't care for the Special Edition edits, and want the original cuts released. (Greedo shoots first, the awful Jabba song, and so forth)
With the Prequels, the original cuts are essentially unwatchable, and they get quite a bit better when someone edits the ever living crap out of them.
I can't think of anything in the sequel re-releases that improved, other than some of the technical stuff. Jabba in Mos Eisley, Palpatine screaming as he falls, more wampa face) It's all bad
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I agree even though Jedi was the first movie I ever went to without parents.
For me it is:
- Empire
- Star Wars (I'm with Utee on naming here)
- Rogue One
- Force Awakens
- Jedi
- Sith
- Clones
- Phantom
Great minds...
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I can't think of anything in the sequel re-releases that improved, other than some of the technical stuff. Jabba in Mos Eisley, Palpatine screaming as he falls, more wampa face) It's all bad
Heh, the best part of the Jabba in Mos Eisley scene was the miraculous Resurrection of Greedo.
(https://daveandjames.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/img_5862.jpg)
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Star Wars has a kind of helmet status, and we're discussing the 'why?' behind it: people care so much for these movies that if a bad one comes out, they fix it. They take time and effort to improve it and share it out.
I'm sure there's a small army of people who do this for any ole movie, but it's a large army that cares this much about Star Wars. If the next Avengers movie sucks, mostly people will just say so and go on about their business. There probably wouldn't be an online team of nerds spanning a dozen countries coordinating an effort to make it great.
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Star Wars has a kind of helmet status, and we're discussing the 'why?' behind it: people care so much for these movies that if a bad one comes out, they fix it. They take time and effort to improve it and share it out.
I'm sure there's a small army of people who do this for any ole movie, but it's a large army that cares this much about Star Wars. If the next Avengers movie sucks, mostly people will just say so and go on about their business. There probably wouldn't be an online team of nerds spanning a dozen countries coordinating an effort to make it great.
Heh, when the Planet of the Apes TV series was cancelled, they made like five TV movies out of the footage that are still shown periodically to this day as if they were just one of the original movies.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzBmNWIxNTItZGM5OC00YzJjLWJjOTQtMjdmODNjMjU3MWQ3XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTYxNjkxOQ@@._V1_UY268_CR4,0,182,268_AL_.jpg)
I kind of wish that someone would do that with the Sarah Connor Chronicles. It wasn't quite good enough to rewatch two entire seasons, but there is certainly enough footage to piece together a pretty mean feature length film or two. Not sure how you'd end it though, as it was cancelled after a rather tantalizing cliff hanger.
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How much of a bump (if any) does Rogue One get for giving us the best Darth Vader scene of the entire franchise?
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How much of a bump (if any) does Rogue One get for giving us the best Darth Vader scene of the entire franchise?
Pretty big. I rewatched it last weekend, and as much as I enjoy it, if you told me I had to leave out just the last three minutes, I'm not sure how often I would rewatch it.
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I disagree. Even with the killer Vader scene I have it ranked behind the OG Trilogy and Force Awakens.
It might possibly be just enough to drop it one spot (behind Sith), but then again...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/MBz2IwLB4fmnK/200_s.gif) (https://media2.giphy.com/media/MBz2IwLB4fmnK/200_s.gif)
Even if it fell beneath Sith, I certainly wouldn't put it behind Clones.
Now if they were to replace that scene with Darth Jar Jar, then I might be willing to drop it all the way to the bottom of the list, even beneath Phantom.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/56e2f52555598683b8c9b218/1457714478729/)
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You're a bastage. I can't unsee that image. It's with me, forever.
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Pretty big. I rewatched it last weekend, and as much as I enjoy it, if you told me I had to leave out just the last three minutes, I'm not sure how often I would rewatch it.
That's what she said.
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You're a bastage. I can't unsee that image. It's with me, forever.
This might do the trick...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-48IOJ4WwKQQ/UUtsBXtFkhI/AAAAAAAAQCM/z9gyzLQAEcc/w506-h316/Sith-Padme.jpg)
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That's actually kinda hot.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/579415981795115009/q7gWL32X.jpg)
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I figured it would win, didn't figure it would blow out every single competitor
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I figured it would win, didn't figure it would blow out every single competitor
I would have voted for MCU if it wasn't nerfed.
Star wars hit the sweet spot with nostalgia, and recent success. (someone posted they are the helmet of movie franchises)
Let's see how the MCU holds up a decade from now.
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It's hard to beat a franchise with 40 years of success.