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Title: Texas Bowl
Post by: Thumper on December 22, 2017, 02:46:44 PM
Horns are shorthanded
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2017/12/22/16810596/toneil-carter-liljordan-humphrey-garrett-gray-suspended-texas-longhorns-missouri-tigers-texas-bowl
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 22, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
I'll be glad when Herman gets this Charlie Strong sheet show cleaned up.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 22, 2017, 05:24:43 PM
Mizzou is going to be hard enough to beat as it is.  Texas shouldn’t do em any favors like this.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 22, 2017, 07:20:14 PM
Mizzou is good?

Never hear anything about the Tiggers

edit: had to look up Mizzou

best win:  over Florida  45-16

worst loss:  Purdue 3-35

4-4 in conference

non-con was crap - 3 gimmes

Mizzouri state put 43 on them
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 22, 2017, 11:07:27 PM
Admittedly I haven’t watched em either, but they’ve won their last six straight.  They must be doing something right.

Btw where are all those old Mizzou posters.  There were some gooduns from Tiggerlanf over the years
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: TexasFan on December 23, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
Should we be going to a bowl game at 6-6?  Or after what we saw this year?  On the other hand, the bowl game is selling well and a crowd of 50k is expected. 
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 23, 2017, 11:03:16 AM
Well ya know TF, it’s not like we fans are playing the games.  If a team gets to go to a bowl, they should for the seniors.  Even if they get their butts spanked, at least they had their shot to end on a winning note in a bowl.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 23, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
Admittedly I haven’t watched em either, but they’ve won their last six straight.  They must be doing something right.

Btw where are all those old Mizzou posters.  There were some gooduns from Tiggerlanf over the years
MOOZOO and NWMissouriState (or whatever it was--I always called him NW Mizzou) were two I remember.
And it seems like there was a former military guy--Air Force, maybe?--who was a Mizzou poster.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 23, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
Should we be going to a bowl game at 6-6?  Or after what we saw this year?  On the other hand, the bowl game is selling well and a crowd of 50k is expected.  
The coaches love the extra practice time.  Absolutely love it.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Thumper on December 23, 2017, 12:16:58 PM
I read Texas would be starting a new left tackle that had missed the regular season due to injury.  If he is to be Williams' replacement, the extra practices and the bowl game should help him out a lot for next season.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 23, 2017, 05:21:27 PM
And it seems like there was a former military guy--Air Force, maybe?--who was a Mizzou poster.
Former military guys - you gotta watch out for those characters
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 23, 2017, 05:24:04 PM
Yeah I always liked both those guys.  NWMS would have appreciated ETSU’s first Div II natty.  His team was king of those.  They made the bracket again this year but got edged.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2017, 08:35:56 PM
MOOZOO and NWMissouriState (or whatever it was--I always called him NW Mizzou) were two I remember.
And it seems like there was a former military guy--Air Force, maybe?--who was a Mizzou poster.
good guys
don't see their rival KSBears the jayhawk fan much either
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 23, 2017, 11:58:46 PM
good guys
don't see their rival KSBears the jayhawk fan much either
Was it KSBears or RockChalk who was the female Jayhawk fan?  Or both, maybe?
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: UT-Erin03 on December 26, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
Well my expectations aren't very high but I'm going since it's convenient and I have a rule about always going to see the longhorns when they play in Houston.  We were there for the last bowl game in 2014 and it was quite the stomping by the hogs, so if it could just be better than that one on scoring points and showing some grit, then that's enough for me.

Hopefully those who are committed to the team and ready to play in the bowl will be fired up, focused, and prepared to represent the school and the conference with pride.  
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Thumper on December 26, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
You are the kind of fan every team needs. I hope you have a great time!
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2017, 02:50:44 PM
Was it KSBears or RockChalk who was the female Jayhawk fan?  Or both, maybe?
KSBears was a chicago bears fan and a dude.  Think I met him once way back when.  He was last seen in the DC area.
Wildcat00 was a female KSU fan.  Met her once in Minneapolis
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: UT-Erin03 on December 27, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
Yes, RockChalk was the female jawhawk.

Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 27, 2017, 03:44:04 PM
Yes, RockChalk was the female jawhawk.
Thanks, Erin.
Seems like she might have had a different moniker in some before-the-most-recent previous iteration of the board.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: longhorn320 on December 28, 2017, 12:43:01 AM
Well BC I guess TH earned his money tonight
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 28, 2017, 01:49:47 AM
Congrats Erin - glad you got to see a win!  And congrats as well to all the rest of Horndom here.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2017, 08:29:25 AM
Actually stayed in town last night and we're headed out camping today, so got to see most of the game.  I'm glad Erin got to go, and see a Horn victory no less.

It was a bit of a pillow fight between two not-so-great teams, but I did like the way Texas kept fighting even after momentum swung Mizzou's way.  And I'm not sure I'll ever see another punting clinic like that again, man we're going to miss Dickson next year.

Hook 'em!

Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Entropy on December 28, 2017, 11:26:35 AM
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2017/12/28/barry-odom-audio-national-pundits-are-wrong-about-big-12-lack-of-defense/ (https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2017/12/28/barry-odom-audio-national-pundits-are-wrong-about-big-12-lack-of-defense/)
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: UT-Erin03 on December 28, 2017, 12:02:39 PM
Well they did it and it was much more enjoyable as a longhorn fan than the last Texas Bowl appearance.  The stadium definitely wasn't as full and loud as Arky, but that is to be expected since Arkansas does have more fans in the drive-able distance than Mizzou.   In our section, every time Dickson was on the field, a group of fans would yell "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie... Oye, Oye, Oye!"  which was almost always followed by loud cheers since he did such a great job.  

As meaningless as the bowls are on paper, it is quite nice to see the team earn a win to finish off the season with a winning record.  And it's always good to get a win over an SEC team, especially one that chose greener pastures when they had the chance.  
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 28, 2017, 01:03:49 PM
Texas' defense looked its usual dominant self, and its offense looked as puzzling and inconsistent as it has all year.

I don't understand the commentators' point that the UT staff trusts Buechele but wants Ehlinger.  And then Ehlinger gets used largely as a runner.  Ehlinger certainly appears to be a better runner than Buechele, but he's got a lot of flaws in his game as a passer, not the least of which is taking too many sacks, which neutralizes some of his effectiveness as a runner by putting the offense in passing situations.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 28, 2017, 01:21:23 PM
Well BC I guess TH earned his money tonight
TH did some good work, and then proceeded to lay a turd right on top of it.
So embarrassing.  Not Texas standard.  He will get a talkin’ to.
The bright side is, he will have to produce at Texas or he will be gone post haste.  His charm is lacking.  I’m sure Patterson would jump at Texas now.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: longhorn320 on December 28, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
TH did some good work, and then proceeded to lay a turd right on top of it.
So embarrassing.  Not Texas standard.  He will get a talkin’ to.
The bright side is, he will have to produce at Texas or he will be gone post haste.  His charm is lacking.  I’m sure Patterson would jump at Texas now.
Texas standard has been to have a losing season
Glad we weren't up to that
As far as the making fun of the Mo QB yea that was rather silly however you need to know that the Horns had crap shoved 
at them all week and karma is good
sec sec sec
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: longhorn320 on December 28, 2017, 06:22:28 PM
Texas' defense looked its usual dominant self, and its offense looked as puzzling and inconsistent as it has all year.

I don't understand the commentators' point that the UT staff trusts Buechele but wants Ehlinger.  And then Ehlinger gets used largely as a runner.  Ehlinger certainly appears to be a better runner than Buechele, but he's got a lot of flaws in his game as a passer, not the least of which is taking too many sacks, which neutralizes some of his effectiveness as a runner by putting the offense in passing situations.
I dont disagree with you CW but maybe he will be better next year or the year after that or the year after that
He is a freshman and our OL has been shredded so Im sure he will come around
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 29, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
I dont disagree with you CW but maybe he will be better next year or the year after that or the year after that
He is a freshman and our OL has been shredded so Im sure he will come around
Yes, he is a freshman, and UT has OL problems.  Ehlinger has been put in a difficult position, as he's a freshman and his skill-set doesn't seem to be a perfect match with what it is that your OC is trying to do.
UT has had a freshman starting QB two years in a row.  That's generally not a good thing.  Is Reising (?) supposed to compete for the job next summer and make it three years in a row in 2018?
Anyway, good win for the  Horns.  After Tech and WVU went down, the Big 12 needed a good win.  Now we're on a roll, I hope.  And UT and TCU both demonstrated the ability to play good defense against talented offenses, so maybe that "no D in the Big 12" mantra will diminish a bit.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2017, 04:20:06 PM
nice win for the Horns and their new coach

things may be looking up
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on January 02, 2018, 11:43:47 AM
nice win for the Horns and their new coach

things may be looking up
This was a great win for the Horns.  It cannot be overstated.  We ended over .500 for the first time since Mack.

I'm thinking Herman needed this to shore up more signatures in February.  The OU loss probably didn't hurt him either.

I do believe things are looking up for Texas - but most of me still doubts that Herman leads us back to the promised land.  Will he make us better - yes, through recruiting.  He will get us back to where Mack left off - at the 8-9 win hump.

I just feel like something about his behavior and demeanor will do him in at UT, and he won't have the 10 win seasons to overcome it.  If you think Fenves and Del Conte were laughing at Herman's little tittie dance, you are sadly mistaken.

Let's call that strike one.  And he'll get a little braver once he pulls us to 9 wins.  Just sayin - the U of T expects and deserves dignified and mature representation from its leaders.  10+ wins will overcome it, but Herman won't get us there.  I do see him as a necessary stepping stone however.

JMO.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: longhorn320 on January 02, 2018, 01:34:36 PM
and you have a right to an opinion BC

my opinion is that until TH fields a team made up 100% of his recruits you dont know enough to form the opinion you have

yes his sideline antics were childish and he will probably refrain from that in the future however

as a Longhorn fan I felt the same emotion as he did  - we need to get our swagger back and this was
his way of trying to do that





Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 02, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
... UT has had a freshman starting QB two years in a row.  That's generally not a good thing...
Three.  Don't forget Heard was our QB in 2015 when he was a freshman.
And even though Swoops was a sophomore when he started at QB in 2014, he was quite inexperienced.
Even more remarkable, is that Texas has had a different offensive coordinator every year since 2012.  Seven since 2010.
It's a regular revolving door.  
Inexperience , injuries, a lack of depth, a new offense....
These are all excuses Texas fans are getting very tired of hearing.
Coaches recruit players, coaches run off players, coaches choose to play inexperienced players over experienced players, coaches choose to replace their OC.   Then they whine about it like they're a victim of totally unexpected and uncontrollable circumstances.
I am very tired of it.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Thumper on January 02, 2018, 02:22:32 PM

Even more remarkable, is that Texas has had a different offensive coordinator every year since 2012.  Seven since 2010.
It's a regular revolving door.  

I think you nailed this.  Not just the QB but the entire OL has to learn a new system when the OC is changed.  Very tough on young kids coming up when there is no continuity.
In situations like this, the spread system is effective because there are so many fewer blocking schemes and/or plays for the offense to learn.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 02, 2018, 02:33:47 PM
I think Texas will contend for the conference title next year.

I just realized that with round robin we’re now in a configuration where OU and Texas could play twice in the season.  Question is, could we fans even take that?  Particularly if the second one is for the conference title?  One Texas game a year is already a lot to absorb.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Thumper on January 02, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
Just think what 2008 would have been like if OU & Texas played for the conference championship.  I could get behind something like that.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Just think what 2008 would have been like if OU & Texas played for the conference championship.  I could get behind something like that.
It's the best rivalry game in all of college football. It should only be played once.  I'd really, really dislike a rematch, and especially one in a completely unnecessary CCG.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Thumper on January 02, 2018, 04:41:23 PM
I liked the rivalry even better when it was OOC but those days are gone.  Like Dr. Strangelove, I've learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.  I got to watch the Sooners 14 times this year and sure wanted to see a 15th.
I gotta admit watching OU v TCU part 2 wasn't nearly as good as part 1 but it was another game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edi2Wkr5YI
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 02, 2018, 05:33:12 PM
No offensive scheme in CFB works on the "left and right tackles leak defenders like raw sewage" philosophy.

Texas' OL repeatedly, both this bowl game and all season, allowed pedestrian DL players to scream in from both sides. Without a competent TE, it was impossible to set an edge. Without an edge, no outside runs or sweeps would work.

Without time to develop a route, outside receivers couldn't use double moves to shake defenders. Speedy (but small) slot receives like Devin Duvernay couldn't ply their trade. All those things take time to develop, and the Texas OL just wouldn't allow it. It reduced the offense to inside draws, counters, and smashes along with straight slants or flies to the receivers. Occasionally, a rollout would be attempted just to move the launch point, but risked rolling into a defensive overload.

Texas lost their most indispensable player (Connor Williams) almost immediately. They lost their top TE before the season. The already rickety OL depth more than evaporated with the losses of Elijah Rodriguez and Patrick Hudson. Without even basic OL play (which seemed to change configurations 3x per game), no one could really get a read on the talent the actual ball handlers possess.

The injury excuse is(was) real, but is still an excuse. It's popular to bash Tim Beck (the OC), and a lot of it is deserved, but no one can put together a game plan under those constraints.

No one can plan to overcome that many position specific injuries, and the law of averages says that won't happen again. However, Texas will be different next season only in as much as that OL can be different.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 03, 2018, 10:40:24 AM
Texas lost their most indispensable player (Connor Williams) almost immediately. They lost their top TE before the season. The already rickety OL depth more than evaporated with the losses of Elijah Rodriguez and Patrick Hudson. Without even basic OL play (which seemed to change configurations 3x per game), no one could really get a read on the talent the actual ball handlers possess.

The injury excuse is(was) real, but is still an excuse. It's popular to bash Tim Beck (the OC), and a lot of it is deserved, but no one can put together a game plan under those constraints.

No one can plan to overcome that many position specific injuries, and the law of averages says that won't happen again. However, Texas will be different next season only in as much as that OL can be different.
Charlie Strong came in in 2014 suspended and dismissed five offensive linemen who left the team.  Greg Daniels the projected starter at TE suffered a season-eliminating knee injury in fall camp and Dominic Espinoza, the best and most experienced offensive lineman was injured in the first game.

In 2017 we got to see the entire scenario play out again in almost the exact same way.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Especially if they're hardheaded mensa smartypants who won't even watch game film from prior seasons.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on January 03, 2018, 12:54:51 PM
Blasted mensa smarty pants.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 03, 2018, 01:46:36 PM
Well, I'm counting these injuries as occurring under 3 OL coaches and 2 S&C coaches. I'm not positive there's a human modifiable parameter here.

That is to say, really dumb luck happens.
Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 03, 2018, 04:11:55 PM
All the sports talk radio guys like to talk about coaches creating a culture.  It's good, they say, to have a tough, no-nonsense coach who won't tolerate slackers.

Sounds great until you see two HCs run off all of the OL depth twice in four years.

What good is creating a culture if you're not even going to be here in a few years and some other genius is going to come in and do the same thing all over again?

If you need bodies on the OL, don't run them off.  Or if you're bound and determined to run them off, don't whine about a lack of depth afterwards.

A good coach ought to be able to get the best out of anybody they get and nobody should ever excuse their inability to do so by saying they don't have their players yet.

Let's say you buy your teenaged son a ten year old Chevy.  Do you want him to be grateful he has it, take responsibility for it and take good care of it?

Or do you want him to treat it like crap and say, "This ain't my car.  Wait til I get my car.  My car will be a new Honda Accord."

I'd kick the little brat's butt.

You have to play the hand you're dealt in life.  Football coaches are paid millions of dollars to make the best of what they've got.  Any coach who thinks he's too good to coach the last coach's players should never coach again. 

Title: Re: Texas Bowl
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 03, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
Well, yeah. But what if the previous coach looked at me, graduating from high school (for reference I was 5' 10" and weighed 135 lbs) and said, "That frame has potential! He gets one of our OL scholarships!).

It turns out despite being outrageously light, I'm also gravity bound and slow. No amount of footwork, film study, weight training, or motivation is going to keep me from getting blasted into the backfield the moment the football twitches.

Obviously, that's reduction to the absurd, but it emphasizes that some guys are just misses. It's tough to project powerful, fluid, flexible collegians from large high schoolers. Texas has an OL who's 6' 10". Guess what? He plays high. Getting underneath him just topples him over. He isn't fast enough to get out of that huge stance and into pass protection. He wasn't that big when we started, but now, no matter how much film he studies, he's gonna get blown by.

I believe that, right now, Texas does have sufficient raw material. Not in abundance, not dominant, but sufficient. They have to heal, improve both strength and recognition, and get enough reps together without replacing injured/failed members to be cohesive.